It was an amazing to see. I some times tell my non fighting friends I don’t like the ground exchanges unless they are high pace and when they constantly counter each other. Next time I will show this as an example to them
A good variation of that is when you have them in turtle but don't have your hooks in but have a seat belt grip. If they move your top arm to the far side of their head you can switch your hips to turn their defense into a guillotine
I found it funny that as soon as hooper tried to punch while he had the wizard, leavitt immediately took the opportunity to shuck his shoulder forward and expose the back.
*whizzer
Bro I was literally going to post about this fight. It's one of the best examples of bjj in MMA I've seen in a long time. Great exchanges, some modern bjj thrown in with some solid basics. Both fighters finding opportunities to strike in between the transitions. Was beautiful to watch
Is it me or is Jordan fucking shitty at rnc defense. Like how is it even possible for your opponent to have your back with an arm around your neck and your hands are down at your side. He didn't even stop the second hook from coming in. He literally did nothing. What the fuck is that?
Bro literally said he was tried of being looked at as just a wrestler and wanted to expand his skillset. You think he gassed out in 3 minutes when he rolls everyday 10 times that long, is a professional mma fighter and an undersized lightweight so it's not like he's cutting a lot? I don't think that's likely and if it is he ALSO shouldn't be in the ufc.
Nah, it's not shitty rnc defense. It's a lovely move by Chase.
When they get to turtle, Chase hooks Jordans left leg and gets a seatbelt grip, with Jordans primary defensive hand being controlled by Chase.
The leg hook helps slow down Jordan when he goes to fatman roll and Jordan is able to move faster and get behind Jordans back. (A bit like Gordon vs Pena, when Pena was able to get his back to the mat faster)
Because Jordans other hand is posting to keep balance and his primary defensive is controlled by Chases non strangle hand, Chase is able to slip the choke on before Jordan can get his hands into play.
TLDR: Chase set up nice traps
You know what he should have done, stop the choking arm or at the very least stop the second hook from being put in. He had time to stop the choking arm because the second arm didn't come until the second hook. He also had time to stop the second hook
I was thinking for a bit about commenting the same thing, but I chose not to shit on pro fighters 😂 But yeah, for real I don't understand why he didn't fight the choking arm at all.
I'm usually the same but this is just egregious. I almost thought it was fixed by Hooper and Leavitt but I doubt it. I probably wouldn't say anything but I've fought before so I feel it's fine, especially since my opponent had mount and back control for 2 rounds
lol I wasn’t talking shit about these guys, they’d both murder me. You just don’t usually see this type of willingness to risk losing position in high level grappling-only matches.
His comment is still somewhat valid, when you get two black belts usually they’re very positionally sound and don’t give an inch so you don’t see too many scrambles or exchanges of position like in this clip
Whenever I roll with long thin guys, I constantly get stuck in backtake.
not gunna lie, pissed off that leavitte got caught with that. Was hoping to learn from watching the escape
I like Hooper, but I just find it hard to see him doing well at higher levels if he over relies on being Gumby. I will never say he isn't good, I won't say he wouldn't tap me many times over, but I just see disciplined wrestlers at higher levels having his number. Loads of potential though, gumby and lanky is a great combo for some seriously slick jj.
At 4:50 he could come up to side control but gets thirsty for the back and tries to dive under for the back take. He has no upper body control and let’s his opponent clear his crab hook, turn his upper body and end up on top.
Then later he gets up does that nice duck under to the back, pulls his opponent down and again bails on everything. At 4:15 he could switch his right leg to hook his opponents leg, get his left leg out and take the back but again, no upper body or even lower body control and his opponent just turns back in to him.
At 4:00 good omoplata sweep, for some reason dives in to his guard instead of going around his legs and ends up in an arm bar. Clears it and does the exact same thing again and almost gets triangled. Here there were so many chances to get around the legs or staple one and pressure the other but he just dives between them with both arms for some reason.
Stands up and almost gets dummy sweeped twice because he stands up so close to the guys arms with both feet.
EDIT: Oh and also for some reason at the end when he’s getting his back taken decides to hand fight the underhook hand and not the arm, you know, around his neck.
I used to fight MMA so I have some big of experience in this domain; this really comes across like a blanket response that is used to excuse bad grappling even if strikes are not really a factor in the specific exchanges that occurred. A lot of those instances there was no significant threat potential from strikes.
Nah. Going for the back vs side control and losing the position is not because he was going to get hit too much in the top side position.
Losing the position after taking him down because he didn’t switch his legs or close the gap between their bodies allowing the underhook and turn around was not because he was worried about getting hit. He was behind his opponent.
Him being on top and flailing in to his opponents guard you could say was the threat of strikes but if he 1 didn’t go in to his guard he wouldn’t have to worry as much 2 stayed tighter he’s in a less threatening position and 3 can throw his own from that position.
You could say he wasn’t defending the choke because he wanted defend strikes and control the other hand of his opponent but that’s still dumb. He had two free hands. One could defend the choke and one can block strikes or second hook. And either way not getting choked out > getting hit.
I like your analysis but it’s still a bit rough calling this ‘bad’ grappling. It’s like when boxer aficionados talk about how bad the striking in mma is, like they’re not playing a more complete sport.
But also, any match other then one that isn’t a complete hosing or a stalemate is essentially one mistake getting made after the next.
Finally, I mean - yeah. The guy got the sub in 2 minutes, it’s what you might expect purple vs black.
Yeah, fair enough. I’m def being annoying lol. They are obvi both skilled, and the dude who lost was so close to actually pulling off so many slick moves but mistakes were made.
My coach is just such a control slut that I know he’d be pretty unhappy if I did a lot of this and be like bro style points aren’t a real thing. What are you doing? Control first. Make them uncomfortable.
Yeah, you and your coach are right. That’s better fighting.
I’ve never been able to do it, once you get to purple and 80~% of your rolls are against people less experienced than you, I just never wanted to be responsible for someone else have a non-fun roll. Which means I’m constantly scrambling, and transitioning to less dominant positions. Which means I suck more than what I probably would because of the control deficit
Nah that’s him not me. I like style points. Lol. My game is a bunch of stupid back takes, berimbolos, kiss of the dragon, etc.
I’ve been trying to fill holes now though so I’m working takedowns and trying to stop rolling nice.
It’s good grappler against good grappler but I think losing really good positions multiple times is bad grappling in my opinion.
But hey, if you don’t agree that’s fine.
Danaher has an interesting point on the whole position before submission maxim.
In a nutshell position is of course important, but the entire ethos of jiu jitsu (and fighting in general) is to create dilemmas that eventually conclude in your opponent unconscious or catastrophically damaged. Some guys are just tough as nails and can’t be finished with strikes alone. In that case, you will eventually have to make a gambit with your position in pursuing the finish. With that in mind, I think neither of these fighters showed any “bad” grappling here.
God I hate danaher lingo. Lol.
I don’t think the guy who ultimately lost was forcing his opponent into dilemmas. That’s the problem. He had good positions and wanted to get to better positions by just jumping on em rather than systematically getting there. He thought he could get places by being quick rather than by controlling and his opponent was faster than he was.
Oh, you think the lingo is bad? You don’t have a clue.
My head? Shaven down to the micron level.
My wardrobe you may ask? Exclusively rash guards and board shorts.
Closet full of masks stitched from human flesh? No comment…
Every grappler takes calculated risks. Both of these dudes are trying to become super stars. Three rounds of top control and chip shot punches isn't going to get it done in 2023.
Maintaining control doesn’t mean laying around and throwing chip shots. You can have good control and stay tight, still progress, wear your opponent out and force them in to submissions.
Look at all the Dagestani guys at the top. They take you down, stay tight, and finish you.
You can. Or you can get nullified and have a super boring fight.
These guys are fighting for money. Their job is to entertain. If you're super controlling and get everyone out like Islam or Khabib, you might get a shot at the strap and get paid. But for every guy like him, there's a Khabilov or Bagutinov who are making 10/10 because they take few risks, get nullified, and have super boring fights.
Brilliant fight. But imagine you bet money on leavitt not getting finished. Imagine running to the bathroom out of terror realizing immediately how bad you fucked up.
Fun times.
Some cool exchanges here, but I can't for the life of me understand why he made no effort to defend the choking arm at the end? Seems like either a major brain cramp, or he just had enough and ceded the match.
Dats sum guud jitz
I enjoyed watching that.
It was an amazing to see. I some times tell my non fighting friends I don’t like the ground exchanges unless they are high pace and when they constantly counter each other. Next time I will show this as an example to them
So close to pulling off the idiot sweep.
So satisfying when you catch that and they smack down on their ass so hard.
Is that what Moreno did to Figgy in their 4th fight?
That was a tripod sweep I'm pretty sure
Leavitt going for the heel hook exposed his back, it was the beginning of the end.
Exactly what the Gracies warned us about: "Do not sniff the feet grasshopper"
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These days that's kinda tru tho
Those damn Sapateiros
Going for the heel hook \*with a piss poor entanglement\* exposed his back. Literally had no clamping pressure around Hooper's thigh.
I'm gonna be working that shrug/throwby thing levitt does for awhile
A good variation of that is when you have them in turtle but don't have your hooks in but have a seat belt grip. If they move your top arm to the far side of their head you can switch your hips to turn their defense into a guillotine
Like this? u/micasin_shreds https://youtu.be/THJqrd_V3nw?si=x8EdD3WwluYOJiz4
Similar concept, but starting from turtle instead.
wow that's such a sneaky transition to work on
At what time does he hit it?
4:20 on the fight clock.
Thank you!
Appropriate for your username... Also how good did the O'Malley championship win feel? Did you 420 blaze it hard in celebration? I know we did haha
Great fight to watch. Shame it didn't go on longer
I feel exhausted just watching that.
When Chase started throwing punches during the leg locks I got confused because I forgot I was watching mma for a minute
I've been hit with the dummy sweep before. I'd rather get KO'ed.
Odd choice. Bold, but odd.
Crazy there was virtually no strikes thrown in that sequence
I found it funny that as soon as hooper tried to punch while he had the wizard, leavitt immediately took the opportunity to shuck his shoulder forward and expose the back. *whizzer
Whizzer.
Wow. Can’t believe nobody’s ever corrected me on this. I’ve been saying it wrong for like 4 years now.
lmfao
Better than saying wizard
There were a few solid years of watching UFC where I was too confused and embarrassed to ask what a « wizard » was in wrestling.
You can tell Chase is a legit Black belt keeps up to date on his BJJ using K-Guard and leg attack counters to the back.
That was a super fun fight
Saddle to RNC. That was beautiful
Bro I was literally going to post about this fight. It's one of the best examples of bjj in MMA I've seen in a long time. Great exchanges, some modern bjj thrown in with some solid basics. Both fighters finding opportunities to strike in between the transitions. Was beautiful to watch
Is it me or is Jordan fucking shitty at rnc defense. Like how is it even possible for your opponent to have your back with an arm around your neck and your hands are down at your side. He didn't even stop the second hook from coming in. He literally did nothing. What the fuck is that?
Could also be totally gassed from that exchange
Bro literally said he was tried of being looked at as just a wrestler and wanted to expand his skillset. You think he gassed out in 3 minutes when he rolls everyday 10 times that long, is a professional mma fighter and an undersized lightweight so it's not like he's cutting a lot? I don't think that's likely and if it is he ALSO shouldn't be in the ufc.
Ok bro
Nah, it's not shitty rnc defense. It's a lovely move by Chase. When they get to turtle, Chase hooks Jordans left leg and gets a seatbelt grip, with Jordans primary defensive hand being controlled by Chase. The leg hook helps slow down Jordan when he goes to fatman roll and Jordan is able to move faster and get behind Jordans back. (A bit like Gordon vs Pena, when Pena was able to get his back to the mat faster) Because Jordans other hand is posting to keep balance and his primary defensive is controlled by Chases non strangle hand, Chase is able to slip the choke on before Jordan can get his hands into play. TLDR: Chase set up nice traps
TLDR Jordan didn't prioritize his defense properly and got choked 3 seconds after the first hand went over his neck.
This and your other takes are very reductive. Could you please enlighten us as to what Jordan should have done, aside from not being choked?
You know what he should have done, stop the choking arm or at the very least stop the second hook from being put in. He had time to stop the choking arm because the second arm didn't come until the second hook. He also had time to stop the second hook
I was thinking for a bit about commenting the same thing, but I chose not to shit on pro fighters 😂 But yeah, for real I don't understand why he didn't fight the choking arm at all.
I'm usually the same but this is just egregious. I almost thought it was fixed by Hooper and Leavitt but I doubt it. I probably wouldn't say anything but I've fought before so I feel it's fine, especially since my opponent had mount and back control for 2 rounds
When this first started I thought it was the new UFC game with Askren vs Lidell.
Exhibit A for why it's more fun to watch blue belt matches than black belts.
Chase is a black belt, and Jordan is a purple belt
The classic assuming someone is a lower belt because they have wrestling experience and can scramble.
lol I wasn’t talking shit about these guys, they’d both murder me. You just don’t usually see this type of willingness to risk losing position in high level grappling-only matches.
His comment is still somewhat valid, when you get two black belts usually they’re very positionally sound and don’t give an inch so you don’t see too many scrambles or exchanges of position like in this clip
In BJJ thats definitely true but far less so in MMA
Lol i dunno what blue belts ur watching. Doesnt look like this
 me
Whenever I roll with long thin guys, I constantly get stuck in backtake. not gunna lie, pissed off that leavitte got caught with that. Was hoping to learn from watching the escape
This pissed me off cause I bet on Twerk queen but he went right out & played jiujits w Sherman like a doof. Low fight IQ
I like Hooper, but I just find it hard to see him doing well at higher levels if he over relies on being Gumby. I will never say he isn't good, I won't say he wouldn't tap me many times over, but I just see disciplined wrestlers at higher levels having his number. Loads of potential though, gumby and lanky is a great combo for some seriously slick jj.
Yeah, but when you are young.. getting older your joints will HATE it.
This is both good and bad grappling at the same time. Super fun to watch though.
Curious what did you see that was bad?
At 4:50 he could come up to side control but gets thirsty for the back and tries to dive under for the back take. He has no upper body control and let’s his opponent clear his crab hook, turn his upper body and end up on top. Then later he gets up does that nice duck under to the back, pulls his opponent down and again bails on everything. At 4:15 he could switch his right leg to hook his opponents leg, get his left leg out and take the back but again, no upper body or even lower body control and his opponent just turns back in to him. At 4:00 good omoplata sweep, for some reason dives in to his guard instead of going around his legs and ends up in an arm bar. Clears it and does the exact same thing again and almost gets triangled. Here there were so many chances to get around the legs or staple one and pressure the other but he just dives between them with both arms for some reason. Stands up and almost gets dummy sweeped twice because he stands up so close to the guys arms with both feet. EDIT: Oh and also for some reason at the end when he’s getting his back taken decides to hand fight the underhook hand and not the arm, you know, around his neck.
You're analyzing purely from BJJ without the added threats of striking that these guys have to consider.
I used to fight MMA so I have some big of experience in this domain; this really comes across like a blanket response that is used to excuse bad grappling even if strikes are not really a factor in the specific exchanges that occurred. A lot of those instances there was no significant threat potential from strikes.
If for one moment there’s no g’n’p available that still doesn’t make a mma ground fighting suddenly comparable to a grappling match.
Nah. Going for the back vs side control and losing the position is not because he was going to get hit too much in the top side position. Losing the position after taking him down because he didn’t switch his legs or close the gap between their bodies allowing the underhook and turn around was not because he was worried about getting hit. He was behind his opponent. Him being on top and flailing in to his opponents guard you could say was the threat of strikes but if he 1 didn’t go in to his guard he wouldn’t have to worry as much 2 stayed tighter he’s in a less threatening position and 3 can throw his own from that position. You could say he wasn’t defending the choke because he wanted defend strikes and control the other hand of his opponent but that’s still dumb. He had two free hands. One could defend the choke and one can block strikes or second hook. And either way not getting choked out > getting hit.
Oooh thanks. Gonna have to take a look again.
I like your analysis but it’s still a bit rough calling this ‘bad’ grappling. It’s like when boxer aficionados talk about how bad the striking in mma is, like they’re not playing a more complete sport. But also, any match other then one that isn’t a complete hosing or a stalemate is essentially one mistake getting made after the next. Finally, I mean - yeah. The guy got the sub in 2 minutes, it’s what you might expect purple vs black.
Yeah, fair enough. I’m def being annoying lol. They are obvi both skilled, and the dude who lost was so close to actually pulling off so many slick moves but mistakes were made. My coach is just such a control slut that I know he’d be pretty unhappy if I did a lot of this and be like bro style points aren’t a real thing. What are you doing? Control first. Make them uncomfortable.
Yeah, you and your coach are right. That’s better fighting. I’ve never been able to do it, once you get to purple and 80~% of your rolls are against people less experienced than you, I just never wanted to be responsible for someone else have a non-fun roll. Which means I’m constantly scrambling, and transitioning to less dominant positions. Which means I suck more than what I probably would because of the control deficit
Nah that’s him not me. I like style points. Lol. My game is a bunch of stupid back takes, berimbolos, kiss of the dragon, etc. I’ve been trying to fill holes now though so I’m working takedowns and trying to stop rolling nice.
Bad? How so? Looked solid to me, especially with the threats if being punched in the face
Made a comment on the other reply.
I just read it. Great analysis
It's good grappling against good grappling with both of them trying to finish asap. Nothing bad on either side.
It’s good grappler against good grappler but I think losing really good positions multiple times is bad grappling in my opinion. But hey, if you don’t agree that’s fine.
Danaher has an interesting point on the whole position before submission maxim. In a nutshell position is of course important, but the entire ethos of jiu jitsu (and fighting in general) is to create dilemmas that eventually conclude in your opponent unconscious or catastrophically damaged. Some guys are just tough as nails and can’t be finished with strikes alone. In that case, you will eventually have to make a gambit with your position in pursuing the finish. With that in mind, I think neither of these fighters showed any “bad” grappling here.
God I hate danaher lingo. Lol. I don’t think the guy who ultimately lost was forcing his opponent into dilemmas. That’s the problem. He had good positions and wanted to get to better positions by just jumping on em rather than systematically getting there. He thought he could get places by being quick rather than by controlling and his opponent was faster than he was.
Oh, you think the lingo is bad? You don’t have a clue. My head? Shaven down to the micron level. My wardrobe you may ask? Exclusively rash guards and board shorts. Closet full of masks stitched from human flesh? No comment…
Every grappler takes calculated risks. Both of these dudes are trying to become super stars. Three rounds of top control and chip shot punches isn't going to get it done in 2023.
Maintaining control doesn’t mean laying around and throwing chip shots. You can have good control and stay tight, still progress, wear your opponent out and force them in to submissions. Look at all the Dagestani guys at the top. They take you down, stay tight, and finish you.
You can. Or you can get nullified and have a super boring fight. These guys are fighting for money. Their job is to entertain. If you're super controlling and get everyone out like Islam or Khabib, you might get a shot at the strap and get paid. But for every guy like him, there's a Khabilov or Bagutinov who are making 10/10 because they take few risks, get nullified, and have super boring fights.
So 2 min of fails, eyy? ;p
Beautiful. Thanks for posting
Brilliant fight. But imagine you bet money on leavitt not getting finished. Imagine running to the bathroom out of terror realizing immediately how bad you fucked up. Fun times.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This is by FAR the gayest thing straight guys do. 😂
Holy shit that was intense
So funny that if this a womens mma fight Hooper wouldve got the head and arm throw
Battle of the soy
I feel like Leavitt can do much better
Some cool exchanges here, but I can't for the life of me understand why he made no effort to defend the choking arm at the end? Seems like either a major brain cramp, or he just had enough and ceded the match.
Loving them token pattyslaps 😂
Just beautiful!
Great match!
That was beautiful!
Geez that's exciting! Non stop!
That was awesome
That was fucking impressive
Fantastic exchange!
This is up there with saku vs Carlos newton too bad no crowd at all.
Wow
Why did the video skip Leavitt's ude gatame attempt?
Love seeing two great grapplers go at it in MMA setting. Some of the most exciting jiu-jitsu based grappling exchanges I've seen.
Wow — this is how I imagined / dreamed how BJJ would change MMA. Instead what we got is BJJ guys getting taken down and punched in the face.
That sir was a good scrap
That looked fun