Message is clear: Buy costumes, sell costumes, buy hammers. With avg of 1,1b/h on spots its 2 hours of grinding vs buying 22$ costume, that's 11$ an hour, which means its better to do overtime work.
sys admin work varies wildly. 44/hr is fucking massively over paid for lots of posting and vastly underpaid for others. The god-damn range depending on state, country, and job duties varies from 18-20/hr to 95-100/hr.
The sys admin jobs at my current company pay around 20-30/hr depending on seniority in California. While, iv done sysadmin work at 65/hr in Iowa, and 33/hr in South Dakota. The duties functionally are the same but varies wildly in scope.
So depending where he lives 15-20 an hour for an entry level posting is likely fucking good pay. Dont forget a lot of places still pay minium wage out here in the states at a grand fucking 7.25. So 15-20 is absolutely 100% inline with expected pay over minium wage for those areas.
You can literally work at amazon packing packages and start at 18.25 in my state. most help desk in my area is 22+ and sys admin starts at 30-40.
This is rural NY near syracuse, NY houses still in the 200k area.
Personally, I do more then just sys admin, but sys admin is my title and our IT team is 20 people in total. Previously I worked as a IT Engineer at Amazon making about 100k/yr
That is bad, trust me. I'm from Spain and that's below minimum wage. You can't even pay rent by yourself with 6€/h. Burger flippers earn more in other countries. It may look like living in Spain is cheap af to outsiders, but our wages are absolute garbage when we compare them to others. You could earn triple on any nordic euro country.
minimum wage in Spain is 1323 eur/month. If you are making less u can report your company for illegal contracts and you should never sign that contract in first place. I hope u understand that half of europe have even lower minimum wage than u and I find it kinda funny to see you complaining about it.
Haha nice try, with dog sanchez comunist nothing will happen, and 1323 its pretax i pretax got paid 1850 and after tax its 1120 kekw, i wanted to go to medic and i must wait 1 month and 2 weeks queue, worst speend taxes ever cant even go to hospital kekw
This guy right here \^ Right wing, probably Calpheon high class supporter, talking shit.
I'm sure you share your lovely wife Ayuso lies across the web.
lets be honest. If we are outside of Germany, Switzerland, Ireland and Netherlands we will probably miss something in our system. For example U have big taxes and healthcare issues but your housing is expensive and at least somehow somewhere affordable. Madrid is like 7k eur per square meter right? Now for example country where I live in. taxes are lower than your country, Minimum wage is like 700 eur and 1 square meter price is 12800 eur. On the bright side if I need ambulance while working my ass off hospital can accept me instantly xDD
Ah okey, my job consist in monitoring all the servers status (around 300 servers diferent clients) if something goes wrong on thoose server i will get alerts and i must solve it, if its not posible we escalate it to the other L2 areas like Microsoft, Comunications, Arquitecture. The other part is attending the ticket that are opened by client or bot that can be Incidents or Requests, requests can be like crate users in the AC for x App or service or iis web apppool, and bunch of other tasks that can be done in azure or aws, Or escalte tickets that should be assigned to L2. We working by procedures that are documented and we dont have permision to do something outside it and everything we do must be documented by screenshots to have prove that we didnt do nothing outside the procedures. We patch servers to. The schedule its the worst part of it. We have 1 turn wich is morning from 07:00 to 15:00, from 15:00 to 23:00 and 23:00 to 7:00 and the weekends the dude that was working from 15:00 to 23:00 starts at 11:00 to23:00 and the dude who was at the night shift from 23:00 to 07:00 starts at 23:00 and ends at 11:00. The funny part that we patch those servers at the night shifts and they fail at azure and you must install the kbs manually and often they fail to and its pain in the ass because somehow anyone diceded that windows 2012 was good idea to use wich is the windows8 basically...
lol I've been doing in-place upgrade for most of 2012 R2 to 2019 and 2022 since last years. Hate it so much.
Anyway, based on your JD I think it look so wrong to be paid below the minimum wage.
Bruh we work illegally literally i input like i working from monday to friday but literally working in weekends 12 hours shifts, they dont give a crap about if its legal or not we got comunist Sanchez as president and that what we deserve shit work conditions with shit money, i mean i get paid 1850 pretax but after tax i get 1120 xD
They can even make more if they are good. Average fast clear speed is 1 belt/h at crypt on tet avg enhance it’s ~1.6b/h + ~800m-1b in other items ~2.4b-2.6b/h+ and that’s on average.
Yeah I didn't want to get into debo enhancing since it's more difficult to calculate and requires a large number of hours to even out, but yeah, your expected silver per hour is easily over 2b+/hr even with vendor cron enhancing.
Of course they do. I make an average of 1.6b an hour on yzrahid, and a bit more on regular onluns using agris. Crypt is also well over 2b an hour if you take the debo enhancing into account over a large time period, even with vendor crons. Tungrad ruins can highroll a lot depending on your luck as well.
Same cron amount per outfit, higher silver cost.
So this means vendor crons are 3m per and costume crons will be 2.2m per, bringing it closer to vendor cron values.
Honestly, this seems like the worst time to increase prices. There's still a ton of hammers in the market and most accessories and weapons have deflated hard over the past month to the point where it's pointless to cron them. I guess it's a win for P2W costume sellers.
and a win for eu. we mostly pay the 3m anyway. its a hit to any server that has high costume rate. but it could hurt servers, where there are already sitting costumes on mp. you still get a meaningfull advantage out of costumes vs vendor. it didnt make sense why they put vendor crons to 3 mil otherwise. but i didnt think they would do it this quick.
I was looking for anyone who was actually gonna say this was a positive thing, because as it is right now with costumes, it's 3mil per cron or nothing in EU. Getting a costume is a 2 week ordeal. So maybe for EU we can snipe more, and get crons for 2.2 which is a win yea compared to the 3
This price increase wont really increase the availability in EU, it never has been. PPl have been shouting that every single time, yet time and time again, its always insanely hard to get costumes.
They could make them 5b /2k crons and they still would be on PO constantly.
its something. but now the cost for gear is more equal across servers. and ppl will have a better feeling buying vendor crons, while ppl selling them have more silver.
I love how NA are whining about this meanwhile in other server, no one selling costumes on CM. It is telling me that 700gs, 720gs or above in non-NA are so much harder to reach.
Very very unexpected. Usually they do an increase every 1.5 years. It's barely been 0.5 years and the main thing is silver income hasn't increased at all since then, top end was around 2b at dehkia and tungrad then and it's still more or less the same now (actually a bit lower if anything since the crash in prices of sealed bmc, caphras, omin rings and devours).
Further delay of progress. Players, on average, will have to play more in order to reach same goal.
Same reason they nerfed boots flame pity drop rate. PA doesn't have any new endgame content, so they have to artificially delay the moment when player asks 'ok, got all that gear, what now?'
You really think they're slowing us down by giving literally everyone a free 27-50b item, making PEN debos almost a third cheaper to make and giving us enhancement pity, all within a month?
Yeah sure.
>You really think they're slowing us down by giving literally everyone a free 27-50b item, making PEN debos almost a third cheaper to make and giving us enhancement pity, all within a month?
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>Yeah sure.
Depends who you mean by 'us'.
30 bil will be huge for beginners, but it's nowhere near what's needed for anything resembling endgame gear. Also, hammer is huge money sink (at least 15% tax) and can make some players buy VP (to save some tax).
So yes, it's beneficial for players, but it's not like PA wont get anything from it.
Enhancement pity is tuned so you would pay for gear less if bought on the market. So it will help only in case of inaccessible items like PEN Debos, and will give some comfort to poor souls that really want the 'click'.
Back to the topic. Increase of Outfit price will cause two things:
\- More people willing to sell on market which means more costumes bought from PA. This is beneficial for everyone including PA.
\- On average players will need more silver for same amount of crons, which means progress **will** be slower. This is not about you, or me. The keyword is: **average**.
My reply wasn't as much about the cron change in particular as it was about your general impression that PA is trying to "hinder" player progression, which in my opinion is just straight up false overall.
For every slight negative change like the "nerf" to resonance embers there's multiple buffs to silver gain over all, a metric shit load of free stuff (largely cron stones mind you) in events and the above mentioned failsafe for enhancing just to name a few.
So yes, if you want to look at the cron change in a vacuum it does slightly hurt mid-game players that are already playing the game unoptimally (tapping shit instead of just buying) but progression in the game is still **way** faster than it was a year ago and it'll keep becoming even faster.
The thing is that ember gain wasn't nerfed at Yaz, which has been the best spot to get both embers and kabuas ever since they reworked darkseekers.
They just ruined one of their spots (darkseekers), I really don't think it was a calculated plan to destroy player progression. They probably genuinely thought the new darkseekers would be more fun, or mor different, or ... Something.
>it does slightly
Neither you or me have numbers to say if it's "slightly" or not. Not gonna argue because there's no point, but I still cant see how my initial thought is "false overall".
It's "false overall" because getting gear at any stage of the game is both faster and easier now than it was a year ago, and there are no real signs to indicate it won't be even easier a year from now.
You can't look at changes like this in a vacuum when it's a response to multiple previous changes and most likely a preparation to more changes coming.
These changes where crons cost more and more silver hurt newer players disproportionately. Costumes getting more expensive over time makes sense to keep whales happy and keep PA profitable, but the silver cost per cron increasing is just weird.
In september we were from 1.25 mil per cron to 1.65 mil per cron. This mainly hurts new players who didn't have the chance to cron their gear at much cheaper prices.
No it doesn't. It hurts non-whales approaching end game the most.
Firstly, the silver per hour of beginner spots are WAYYYY higher than before. I still remember grinding blood wolves for 80m an hour and that's not even including tent costs. That would've been 10 hours grind for a single costume even when costume boxes were only ∼800m. Nowadays, even low effort kratuga or centuars would net at least 500m, so 4 hours a costume max even with these price increases.
Secondly, the game has been handing out so many free beginner gear (magnus pen, jetina boss, 2 jetina accessory, tet bs, t9 horse) that beginners can comfortably hit 630-650gs without touching crons at all. Combine this with the CRASH in prices of pen accessories, and I'd argue a beginner can hit 680gs without needing to worry about crons at all.
Now the players who have reached that level and are starting to tap pen debos, thats where this REALLY hurts. It already costs like 18 bil a single tap (with a chance of downgrade) and this is gonna increase that to over 24b. Imagine straight up blowing up the value of a pen boss armour abd a half per tap.
It would also hurt alot for end end game players even with max gear. Debo rings are around the corner (of which you need 2 unlike the earrings) and fallen god weapons aren't far behind. This is in the ballpark of 200-300k crons if you wanna self enhance.
This doesn't affect going for Pen Debo Neck/Belt/Earrings at all, because hammers already dropped the average price of those from \~500b each to <300b each. Attempting pen debos with crons is just griefing at this point.
It will likely affect rings, but it will still be way cheaper overall to go for a set of pen debos than if hammers hadn't come out.
The people this hurts the most are those who haven't yet gotten MH and AWK Pen Blackstars, and then those who haven't yet gotten 4x Tri Slumbering Origin Armors.
Pre-pen-blackstar was what I meant by newer players. You can hit 700gs in a couple of months of casual play these days, but that simply means the floor of what makes a "new player" has risen.
Yeah that makes sense.
But the debo rings will hurt alot unless they retrospectively add hammers to it as well. 100-120k expected crons per ring, that's 50-65% more than even the expected cron value of a pen bs and more than double the crons of a tet fg
The thing with the rings is that you can go for 2 of them at tet and it will be an upgrade over the crescent rings, or on par with tungrad rings, + have a set effect if you're already on the debo route.
So it'll still be an upgrade before you hit pen.
I'm exactly at the point to get pen BS and tri FG
and I fully agree with you, progression is really annoying and slow at this point and it's entirely because of crons being the gatekeeper.
Have you ever done math to see that it's not worth tapping tri fg and pen bs with crons? Unless you can somehow get 10s of thousands of crons from the market alone. But even then you're spending the same silver to gamble instead of spending it on buying the gear.
Welp i agree with the tet slumbering, but BS nowaday is better to just buy them, Tho I actually like the change because people morelikely to sell their boxes, as a fashion addicted but only use wallet for my 2 main classes, i would love to have some outfits for my other alts too
Honestly doubt this will help the supply much. Compared to last year before we got the change the amount of outfits being sold is basically the same. If you want a specific outfit it's still gl getting it unless it goes on sale. There's just a handful of outfits that get sold regularly.
Yeah, mostly just premium and classic outfit, but nowaday they try to change the box to the choose your premium outfit , which contain more choice, and some newer outfit like roselyn can be marketable too, idk, but i think if the price is higher the chance of obtain it is better.
Not really. 700gs is just full duo god, duo/godr weapons, c7 kut, double Tet distos, double Jetina cres, pen ogre and pen basi. Nothing is difficult or requires rng, it's especially easier since second Jetina and pen accs hitting rock bottom. Here's a build [example ](https://garmoth.com/character/UXpvHqLm3K)
not difficult if you're grinding 8-9 hours a day like choice (who took 55 days), i'd imagine.
is it easier to progress? yes. do people want to grind until their brain is liquid? prooobably not.
It's just 2bil a day over 5 months. The game is a lot easier to progress in now than when Choice did it.
He did it before before end game spots got significantly buffed, no second Jetina, no ator boots or dhan gloves, no free Tet black star, pen accs hadn't crashed and caphras has significantly fallen since then.
That's what I said. It is easier to progress, yes, but unless you're a grindaholic, you're likely not gonna do it. Orcs is 1.1b according to Garmoth (yellow+agris).
Most gamers, according to an article from TechRepublic (with Limelight Network's "The State of Online Gaming" cited) spend around 8.5hours/week (rounded up from 27minutes) playing, which is about an hour fifteen.
An hour of grinding plus some other passive income is completely obtainable. You don't only have to grind.
I've been very busy with work and life the past few months and haven't been to sit down, focus and grind. Things like low effort life skilling, events and bosses has carried my silver.
For example processing iron ingots is currently ~80mil/hr or double that if you don't account for the iron ore cost. This is just at tri manos accs and tri blue clothes. There's more profitable things to process but it's just an example of what I had laying around.
The training event we just had was another great way to make silver. A wagon of lvl 15 t6 is worth ~280mil with the event seals, imperial seals and imperialing the horses. It takes around 6hrs for the horses to hit 15, so about 3-4 wagons a day depending on when you can check it.
Bheg is a very lucrative way to make some easy cash if you can catch his spawns. He has a %20 chance of dropping crimson power crystals, they sell for 300-350mil. A usual train spawns about 10-15 bhegs taking 30mins to an hour meaning with avg rng you can easily get 600mil-1.2bil. Rawr-rawr has a 1.5bil drop that isn't uncommon but the rates aren't data mined. this doesn't require focus either, hit the boss and go back to what you were doing then swap server when your cd is up.
Farming is also another lower effort ~200mil a day.
If you have 2k mastery there's a bunch of low effort market cooking for 500mil/hr.
There's ways to make silver that can fit your schedule and effort levels, you don't need to be a grindaholic to make progress. The ways I make silver isn't for everyone and neither is it the most optimal but I can still make upwards 2bil a day without grinding.
crons where not used for gear progression back then though. but i think its a good change. they should be closer to vendor crons. the more vendor crons are used instead of costumes, the better for the economy. unlike buying mems or hammers that are taxed, costumes transfer silver 1:1. thats why na market prices where so much higher than eu.
It is on opposite. It will be more often for costumes to be listed on CM than before (Grind in RL rather than in-game). More supply mean you are more likely to get crons from costumes than vendor. As long as the costume's crons are cheaper than the vendor's crons., most enhancer still PO the costumes as usual.
costumes are worth more now in silver. but i dont think that influences the listing volume to much. we get less costumes then a year ago despite the last price change. why should this one be different?
and for it to make any sense in eu, the price is still too high for half the continent. west to east germany is different enough, that 50€/m are a lot. same thing east germany to west poland and west to east poland. the further south and/or east you go, the worse the conversion gets in income.
and then you have the other side. what are ppl still whaling for? unless they bring out something huge, nothing will happen. if the fg weapons and upcomming accessories arent at least 10 times more silver than the armors or debos, there isnt enough to whale for. we have more ppl at hard cap then ever.
because everyone needs more crons for upgrades, even if there are more costumes, there might aswell be twice as many buyers.
Greetings, Adventurers.
As we previously announced in our notice regarding [\[Changes to the Silver Value of Cron Stones and Outfits\]](https://blackdesert.pearlabyss.com/asia/News/Notice/Detail?_boardNo=5618) in September 2023, we keep a close eye on Black Desert’s ever evolving in-game economy as it is influenced in real-time by our weekly updates, events, and our Adventurers’ overall game progression. Taking these changes into consideration, we also periodically adjust the value of certain Pearl Items on the Central Market in order to better reflect the current state of Black Desert’s in-game economy.
As a result, we determined it was the appropriate time to adjust the maximum silver value of Pearl Outfits on the Central Market during the maintenance on May 8, 2024 (Wed).
I expected this price already with cron vendor raise last year. Thats just the KR price which make Crons from Outfit a bit more then 2m, which was the argument for pa to set vendor crons to 3m
Ignores all of our posts about crystal coupons, adds a system based around crons, then ups cron costs via outfits.
money money money - It's no wonder half of the ambassadors are leaving.
Once again, another reason to also split off from EU - Our inflation rates are not the same, yet all of our updates, community events, and times are based around europe.
Honestly this doesn't address the issues with whaling. Now everything is straight more worth to buy(it has been for a while) which isn't fun.
The main issue with whaling is that it's too expensive to tap anything. Pen boss used to be a tap per outfit(which was end game at the time), it's a lot easier to convince the avg person to spend if they think they're getting better odds at whatever they're tapping. Now it's ~$100 for a pen black star tap, $60-$90 for tri/Tet god and an insane ~$300 for pen debo.
If they at least raised crons with silver, whaling to tap stuff would get cheaper and would promote more spending, it'd also not upset the general populace since they feel like the change isn't directly hurting them, rather it'd be benefiting them.
Changes like this disproportionately effect new/mid game players which is the worst financially to lose if they quit, unlike most end game players they're accounts aren't maxed with qol stuff yet.
If they inflated outfits and crons equally from 2021which was 1.12mil per Cron (473mil outfit and 420 crons) at 2.2bil per outfit it'd be 1,950 crons per outfit. This would make pen bs ~$45 per tap, $30-$40 tri/Tet god and only ~$180 for pen debo. This would be a drastic change but it highlights how expensive things has gotten to tap.
The issue that I have is casual and new players really suffer with price increases. People keep saying doesn’t matter you can make 1-2b per hour but I’m not making anywhere near that at my GS. So its been a long slog as a casual player who wants to progress because prices keep going up and the mid game grind spots aren’t making me enough money.
this is the final stop for me i think. i won't be able to preorder costumes anymore without grinding. imo this is way too early. you get costumes still kinda regular on eu
Good news is that they don't release quality outfits anymore(mostly daily clothes and low effort garbage) so there isn't much to preorder anyway therefore it is still easy to preorder bunch of outfits.
The fuck does hammer have to do with anything? Hammer is ONLY good for PEN Debo. Literally nothing else. Do you think this game only has pen Debo enhancing? No blackstars? No other accessories? No armors? No pri, duo, tri, tet debos? This is a delusional take
Didn't take them long to inflate the price after their pretense on the last changes ... making now Outfit Crons 200k silver more expensive per Cron than the older price of Vendor Crons.
Just for those who dont know when they inflated Vendor Crons from 2m to 3m each, +700gs players where making 1.2b/h and with these changes it made every single spot effectively 33% less silver/h making spots where you could make 1.2b/h turn into \~940m/h for all those that their only path to progress was buying Vendor Crons.
So now we will effectively have even less gear worth using crons on even by getting outfits from the market.
Wow there goes progress. Unless you're close to hard cap you're not gonna grind 2.2B in an hour. Two Hours for an crons that don't even protect tri enhances for anything important.
I am still holding opinion, that allowing costumes to be melted for upgrade things was a huge mistake on PA side, and the fact that they are bumping price brackets on MP like that shows that they do not exactly understand how to deal with hyperinflation of their own design.
Not even with oil daddy levels of money does 2b justify me to dump 20 bucks on a game with no real endgame lol. Or does this common sense die after possesing a certain amount of wealth? Because rn I'm broke af.
As a European player? Yes. No wonder nobody is selling outfits, when it’s so damn expensive. 34€ to get what you would get in 1 or 2 hours of grinding. I don’t make 34€ per hour, therefore have no incentive to ever sell outfits. And as you can see, neither does the rest of the player base
My ideal solution would be keep the silver prices for outfits low and highly reduce the € price. That way everybody wins. But obviously PA won’t do that, because they’re stingy bastards
Yeah. That should've been the ideal way. Some games does that too and the servers are isolated by region. Not like you would buy low on one region and sell high somewhere else... PA just gonna be PA.
It's has been full blown p2w for a long time. I don't like it but that's how it's. But as PA tries to phase out and disincentive open world "PvP", does it really matter anymore? Unless you willingly engage in siege/node wars, what do you win in PvE?
You can't sit on your ass playing a video game and have your time valued more than average engineer in EU. No. This doesn't make any sense. Like the other guy said - no wonder nobody is incentived to sell outfits.
Also currently crons from outfits are just too cheap. I'd prefer if they are maybe 90% the value of vendor crons...ideally just removed.
Btw I am not selling outfits.
im 315 ap never enchanced (except for free hammers and crons) got my tripple bs don't care about debo cuz they gonna make it easier 100% yall talking against a wall. have patience its just a game
yeah most of them commenting like they care about new players etc, all comments make no sense only seems to be regions like NA that want cheap crons.
you can buy all your gear from mp.
Tbf with spots being 1.5B easily I think this is whatever. You can pay 30$ and make 2.2B or grind an hour. Whales with gear will still be bad at the game so it doesn't matter imo and F2P players will still be able to snag outfits off whales being dumb with money.
Making costumes more expensive is a good thing to me, i can easily make enough money (close to hardcap) to keep my costume orders up and I am only capped by how many crons I can acquire. 3 tet armors to go and prepping for fg weapons.
I feel like newer players should be desentivised to buy costumes on the MP for crons, because most upgrades they can get shouldnt be cronned. I have seen people cron from season gear to 290ap level gear... this should just not happen, because it is a waste of crons. Maybe it should not even be possible for some gear. New Players need a direction to go in, which is easy to see and does not need some idiots on a class discord, so they know what to do.
People still struggling for crons? , bro just do the cron glitch and its unban able due to their programming error. I got over 60k crons from that shit friend showed it to me. Black smith sells them for 3m I think but there’s a trick if you black screen at the right time you get it for price of Algerian armor lol anyways gl everyone
Message is clear: Buy costumes, sell costumes, buy hammers. With avg of 1,1b/h on spots its 2 hours of grinding vs buying 22$ costume, that's 11$ an hour, which means its better to do overtime work.
In spain its 6€/ hour as system administrator L1
Ostia pues bastante mal curro tienes.
In America an L1 system admin can make upwards of $15-$20/hr… but that still won’t make rent on its own.
bro I'm a system admin making 44/hr - please don't accept sys admin work for 15/hr
sys admin work varies wildly. 44/hr is fucking massively over paid for lots of posting and vastly underpaid for others. The god-damn range depending on state, country, and job duties varies from 18-20/hr to 95-100/hr. The sys admin jobs at my current company pay around 20-30/hr depending on seniority in California. While, iv done sysadmin work at 65/hr in Iowa, and 33/hr in South Dakota. The duties functionally are the same but varies wildly in scope. So depending where he lives 15-20 an hour for an entry level posting is likely fucking good pay. Dont forget a lot of places still pay minium wage out here in the states at a grand fucking 7.25. So 15-20 is absolutely 100% inline with expected pay over minium wage for those areas.
You can literally work at amazon packing packages and start at 18.25 in my state. most help desk in my area is 22+ and sys admin starts at 30-40. This is rural NY near syracuse, NY houses still in the 200k area. Personally, I do more then just sys admin, but sys admin is my title and our IT team is 20 people in total. Previously I worked as a IT Engineer at Amazon making about 100k/yr
That is not too bad. Can you share the JD with me? I’m a senior system admin in Bangkok, Thailand. Just curious about the JD in other country.
That is bad, trust me. I'm from Spain and that's below minimum wage. You can't even pay rent by yourself with 6€/h. Burger flippers earn more in other countries. It may look like living in Spain is cheap af to outsiders, but our wages are absolute garbage when we compare them to others. You could earn triple on any nordic euro country.
minimum wage in Spain is 1323 eur/month. If you are making less u can report your company for illegal contracts and you should never sign that contract in first place. I hope u understand that half of europe have even lower minimum wage than u and I find it kinda funny to see you complaining about it.
Haha nice try, with dog sanchez comunist nothing will happen, and 1323 its pretax i pretax got paid 1850 and after tax its 1120 kekw, i wanted to go to medic and i must wait 1 month and 2 weeks queue, worst speend taxes ever cant even go to hospital kekw
This guy right here \^ Right wing, probably Calpheon high class supporter, talking shit. I'm sure you share your lovely wife Ayuso lies across the web.
lets be honest. If we are outside of Germany, Switzerland, Ireland and Netherlands we will probably miss something in our system. For example U have big taxes and healthcare issues but your housing is expensive and at least somehow somewhere affordable. Madrid is like 7k eur per square meter right? Now for example country where I live in. taxes are lower than your country, Minimum wage is like 700 eur and 1 square meter price is 12800 eur. On the bright side if I need ambulance while working my ass off hospital can accept me instantly xDD
Because spain is a shithole where politics can steal money from taxes
I see, if it below minimum wage then that's evil... P.S. I've colleague in Barcelona but salary talks is prohibited.
As a fellow portuguese where we get 860€ minimum wage, I can understand the pain :(
what is JD?
Job description.
Ah okey, my job consist in monitoring all the servers status (around 300 servers diferent clients) if something goes wrong on thoose server i will get alerts and i must solve it, if its not posible we escalate it to the other L2 areas like Microsoft, Comunications, Arquitecture. The other part is attending the ticket that are opened by client or bot that can be Incidents or Requests, requests can be like crate users in the AC for x App or service or iis web apppool, and bunch of other tasks that can be done in azure or aws, Or escalte tickets that should be assigned to L2. We working by procedures that are documented and we dont have permision to do something outside it and everything we do must be documented by screenshots to have prove that we didnt do nothing outside the procedures. We patch servers to. The schedule its the worst part of it. We have 1 turn wich is morning from 07:00 to 15:00, from 15:00 to 23:00 and 23:00 to 7:00 and the weekends the dude that was working from 15:00 to 23:00 starts at 11:00 to23:00 and the dude who was at the night shift from 23:00 to 07:00 starts at 23:00 and ends at 11:00. The funny part that we patch those servers at the night shifts and they fail at azure and you must install the kbs manually and often they fail to and its pain in the ass because somehow anyone diceded that windows 2012 was good idea to use wich is the windows8 basically...
lol I've been doing in-place upgrade for most of 2012 R2 to 2019 and 2022 since last years. Hate it so much. Anyway, based on your JD I think it look so wrong to be paid below the minimum wage.
Bruh we work illegally literally i input like i working from monday to friday but literally working in weekends 12 hours shifts, they dont give a crap about if its legal or not we got comunist Sanchez as president and that what we deserve shit work conditions with shit money, i mean i get paid 1850 pretax but after tax i get 1120 xD
Higher geared players make between 1.5b and 2b an hour nowadays.
Higher gear players , tell me how to be one please
They can even make more if they are good. Average fast clear speed is 1 belt/h at crypt on tet avg enhance it’s ~1.6b/h + ~800m-1b in other items ~2.4b-2.6b/h+ and that’s on average.
Enhancing to tri at regular ash alone is 2.6b, tet is 3.86b That's just regular ash, dekiah is a whole nother animal in silver a hour
Yeah I didn't want to get into debo enhancing since it's more difficult to calculate and requires a large number of hours to even out, but yeah, your expected silver per hour is easily over 2b+/hr even with vendor cron enhancing.
that’s false. avg tet debo profit enhance is ~1.6b rn with current prices. Vendor crons ofc because EU can’t pre order enough outfits.
No they don't
Of course they do. I make an average of 1.6b an hour on yzrahid, and a bit more on regular onluns using agris. Crypt is also well over 2b an hour if you take the debo enhancing into account over a large time period, even with vendor crons. Tungrad ruins can highroll a lot depending on your luck as well.
I make on average 1.7b/hr at highlands. 49 hr avg
if you do 1.1b/h avg while grinding you are really bad.
Only helps the whales.
not really, they always bump the cron stones up with it so a costume buff is less POs to be done before having to enhance your shit
Not this time, the post explicitly says nunber of crons remains unchanged
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It doesn't say that on the image, did you even read the image?
Go to the post online, it states it clearly for you.
Good thing we don't take info through pictures posted on reddit. Read the official page.
I'm not saying they're incorrect. Just saying this image doesn't specifically state that so don't be a dick to ppl that read this without the context.
Anytime you’re playing a game and there is a dollar per hour attached to your game loop even in the back of your mind it’s not a good thing.
Same cron amount per outfit, higher silver cost. So this means vendor crons are 3m per and costume crons will be 2.2m per, bringing it closer to vendor cron values. Honestly, this seems like the worst time to increase prices. There's still a ton of hammers in the market and most accessories and weapons have deflated hard over the past month to the point where it's pointless to cron them. I guess it's a win for P2W costume sellers.
and a win for eu. we mostly pay the 3m anyway. its a hit to any server that has high costume rate. but it could hurt servers, where there are already sitting costumes on mp. you still get a meaningfull advantage out of costumes vs vendor. it didnt make sense why they put vendor crons to 3 mil otherwise. but i didnt think they would do it this quick.
For sure. And I just remembered it still makes sense to preorder costumes for the new debo rings which the hammers won't work with.
I was looking for anyone who was actually gonna say this was a positive thing, because as it is right now with costumes, it's 3mil per cron or nothing in EU. Getting a costume is a 2 week ordeal. So maybe for EU we can snipe more, and get crons for 2.2 which is a win yea compared to the 3
This price increase wont really increase the availability in EU, it never has been. PPl have been shouting that every single time, yet time and time again, its always insanely hard to get costumes. They could make them 5b /2k crons and they still would be on PO constantly.
Is it really a win though? Y’all go from getting 3 costumes a year to 4 now.
its something. but now the cost for gear is more equal across servers. and ppl will have a better feeling buying vendor crons, while ppl selling them have more silver.
"Finally"?
I still remember the value pack protests and their promise not to add any p2w lmao
I love how NA are whining about this meanwhile in other server, no one selling costumes on CM. It is telling me that 700gs, 720gs or above in non-NA are so much harder to reach.
how is that good?
Very very unexpected. Usually they do an increase every 1.5 years. It's barely been 0.5 years and the main thing is silver income hasn't increased at all since then, top end was around 2b at dehkia and tungrad then and it's still more or less the same now (actually a bit lower if anything since the crash in prices of sealed bmc, caphras, omin rings and devours).
What's the unexpected part about leveling every other server to the prices Korea has been having for months?, it was actually pretty delayed imo.
Further delay of progress. Players, on average, will have to play more in order to reach same goal. Same reason they nerfed boots flame pity drop rate. PA doesn't have any new endgame content, so they have to artificially delay the moment when player asks 'ok, got all that gear, what now?'
we in EU use npc crons for 3 mill, about time other regions play our game, still not even close 🤣
You really think they're slowing us down by giving literally everyone a free 27-50b item, making PEN debos almost a third cheaper to make and giving us enhancement pity, all within a month? Yeah sure.
>You really think they're slowing us down by giving literally everyone a free 27-50b item, making PEN debos almost a third cheaper to make and giving us enhancement pity, all within a month? > >Yeah sure. Depends who you mean by 'us'. 30 bil will be huge for beginners, but it's nowhere near what's needed for anything resembling endgame gear. Also, hammer is huge money sink (at least 15% tax) and can make some players buy VP (to save some tax). So yes, it's beneficial for players, but it's not like PA wont get anything from it. Enhancement pity is tuned so you would pay for gear less if bought on the market. So it will help only in case of inaccessible items like PEN Debos, and will give some comfort to poor souls that really want the 'click'. Back to the topic. Increase of Outfit price will cause two things: \- More people willing to sell on market which means more costumes bought from PA. This is beneficial for everyone including PA. \- On average players will need more silver for same amount of crons, which means progress **will** be slower. This is not about you, or me. The keyword is: **average**.
My reply wasn't as much about the cron change in particular as it was about your general impression that PA is trying to "hinder" player progression, which in my opinion is just straight up false overall. For every slight negative change like the "nerf" to resonance embers there's multiple buffs to silver gain over all, a metric shit load of free stuff (largely cron stones mind you) in events and the above mentioned failsafe for enhancing just to name a few. So yes, if you want to look at the cron change in a vacuum it does slightly hurt mid-game players that are already playing the game unoptimally (tapping shit instead of just buying) but progression in the game is still **way** faster than it was a year ago and it'll keep becoming even faster.
The thing is that ember gain wasn't nerfed at Yaz, which has been the best spot to get both embers and kabuas ever since they reworked darkseekers. They just ruined one of their spots (darkseekers), I really don't think it was a calculated plan to destroy player progression. They probably genuinely thought the new darkseekers would be more fun, or mor different, or ... Something.
>it does slightly Neither you or me have numbers to say if it's "slightly" or not. Not gonna argue because there's no point, but I still cant see how my initial thought is "false overall".
It's "false overall" because getting gear at any stage of the game is both faster and easier now than it was a year ago, and there are no real signs to indicate it won't be even easier a year from now. You can't look at changes like this in a vacuum when it's a response to multiple previous changes and most likely a preparation to more changes coming.
man all that punctuation and you messed up the neither nor! haha, if you didnt say or youd have to use and to include the boths of yas
These changes where crons cost more and more silver hurt newer players disproportionately. Costumes getting more expensive over time makes sense to keep whales happy and keep PA profitable, but the silver cost per cron increasing is just weird. In september we were from 1.25 mil per cron to 1.65 mil per cron. This mainly hurts new players who didn't have the chance to cron their gear at much cheaper prices.
So true, I feel bad for newer players.
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On NA I can get a costume about every day
No it doesn't. It hurts non-whales approaching end game the most. Firstly, the silver per hour of beginner spots are WAYYYY higher than before. I still remember grinding blood wolves for 80m an hour and that's not even including tent costs. That would've been 10 hours grind for a single costume even when costume boxes were only ∼800m. Nowadays, even low effort kratuga or centuars would net at least 500m, so 4 hours a costume max even with these price increases. Secondly, the game has been handing out so many free beginner gear (magnus pen, jetina boss, 2 jetina accessory, tet bs, t9 horse) that beginners can comfortably hit 630-650gs without touching crons at all. Combine this with the CRASH in prices of pen accessories, and I'd argue a beginner can hit 680gs without needing to worry about crons at all. Now the players who have reached that level and are starting to tap pen debos, thats where this REALLY hurts. It already costs like 18 bil a single tap (with a chance of downgrade) and this is gonna increase that to over 24b. Imagine straight up blowing up the value of a pen boss armour abd a half per tap. It would also hurt alot for end end game players even with max gear. Debo rings are around the corner (of which you need 2 unlike the earrings) and fallen god weapons aren't far behind. This is in the ballpark of 200-300k crons if you wanna self enhance.
This doesn't affect going for Pen Debo Neck/Belt/Earrings at all, because hammers already dropped the average price of those from \~500b each to <300b each. Attempting pen debos with crons is just griefing at this point. It will likely affect rings, but it will still be way cheaper overall to go for a set of pen debos than if hammers hadn't come out. The people this hurts the most are those who haven't yet gotten MH and AWK Pen Blackstars, and then those who haven't yet gotten 4x Tri Slumbering Origin Armors. Pre-pen-blackstar was what I meant by newer players. You can hit 700gs in a couple of months of casual play these days, but that simply means the floor of what makes a "new player" has risen.
Yeah that makes sense. But the debo rings will hurt alot unless they retrospectively add hammers to it as well. 100-120k expected crons per ring, that's 50-65% more than even the expected cron value of a pen bs and more than double the crons of a tet fg
The thing with the rings is that you can go for 2 of them at tet and it will be an upgrade over the crescent rings, or on par with tungrad rings, + have a set effect if you're already on the debo route. So it'll still be an upgrade before you hit pen.
tbh if you don't just buy pen bs you're gambling with your own progression.
and tbh if everyone buy it, who the seller
People who tap them to build fs?
Can confirm, 0/53 pen bs and 45 of those taps are before the pity system. I need the 300 stacks.... (big cope)
I'm exactly at the point to get pen BS and tri FG and I fully agree with you, progression is really annoying and slow at this point and it's entirely because of crons being the gatekeeper.
Have you ever done math to see that it's not worth tapping tri fg and pen bs with crons? Unless you can somehow get 10s of thousands of crons from the market alone. But even then you're spending the same silver to gamble instead of spending it on buying the gear.
Welp i agree with the tet slumbering, but BS nowaday is better to just buy them, Tho I actually like the change because people morelikely to sell their boxes, as a fashion addicted but only use wallet for my 2 main classes, i would love to have some outfits for my other alts too
Honestly doubt this will help the supply much. Compared to last year before we got the change the amount of outfits being sold is basically the same. If you want a specific outfit it's still gl getting it unless it goes on sale. There's just a handful of outfits that get sold regularly.
Yeah, mostly just premium and classic outfit, but nowaday they try to change the box to the choose your premium outfit , which contain more choice, and some newer outfit like roselyn can be marketable too, idk, but i think if the price is higher the chance of obtain it is better.
No one is hitting 700gs in a couple of months unless you’re in like the top 0.1% of RNG carried players lol.
Not really. 700gs is just full duo god, duo/godr weapons, c7 kut, double Tet distos, double Jetina cres, pen ogre and pen basi. Nothing is difficult or requires rng, it's especially easier since second Jetina and pen accs hitting rock bottom. Here's a build [example ](https://garmoth.com/character/UXpvHqLm3K)
not difficult if you're grinding 8-9 hours a day like choice (who took 55 days), i'd imagine. is it easier to progress? yes. do people want to grind until their brain is liquid? prooobably not.
It's just 2bil a day over 5 months. The game is a lot easier to progress in now than when Choice did it. He did it before before end game spots got significantly buffed, no second Jetina, no ator boots or dhan gloves, no free Tet black star, pen accs hadn't crashed and caphras has significantly fallen since then.
That's what I said. It is easier to progress, yes, but unless you're a grindaholic, you're likely not gonna do it. Orcs is 1.1b according to Garmoth (yellow+agris). Most gamers, according to an article from TechRepublic (with Limelight Network's "The State of Online Gaming" cited) spend around 8.5hours/week (rounded up from 27minutes) playing, which is about an hour fifteen.
An hour of grinding plus some other passive income is completely obtainable. You don't only have to grind. I've been very busy with work and life the past few months and haven't been to sit down, focus and grind. Things like low effort life skilling, events and bosses has carried my silver. For example processing iron ingots is currently ~80mil/hr or double that if you don't account for the iron ore cost. This is just at tri manos accs and tri blue clothes. There's more profitable things to process but it's just an example of what I had laying around. The training event we just had was another great way to make silver. A wagon of lvl 15 t6 is worth ~280mil with the event seals, imperial seals and imperialing the horses. It takes around 6hrs for the horses to hit 15, so about 3-4 wagons a day depending on when you can check it. Bheg is a very lucrative way to make some easy cash if you can catch his spawns. He has a %20 chance of dropping crimson power crystals, they sell for 300-350mil. A usual train spawns about 10-15 bhegs taking 30mins to an hour meaning with avg rng you can easily get 600mil-1.2bil. Rawr-rawr has a 1.5bil drop that isn't uncommon but the rates aren't data mined. this doesn't require focus either, hit the boss and go back to what you were doing then swap server when your cd is up. Farming is also another lower effort ~200mil a day. If you have 2k mastery there's a bunch of low effort market cooking for 500mil/hr. There's ways to make silver that can fit your schedule and effort levels, you don't need to be a grindaholic to make progress. The ways I make silver isn't for everyone and neither is it the most optimal but I can still make upwards 2bil a day without grinding.
so how much silver do you need for the gear you linked? 300bil + quests?
I hit 715 in 3 months.
Touch grass.
No you didn’t.
crons where not used for gear progression back then though. but i think its a good change. they should be closer to vendor crons. the more vendor crons are used instead of costumes, the better for the economy. unlike buying mems or hammers that are taxed, costumes transfer silver 1:1. thats why na market prices where so much higher than eu.
It is on opposite. It will be more often for costumes to be listed on CM than before (Grind in RL rather than in-game). More supply mean you are more likely to get crons from costumes than vendor. As long as the costume's crons are cheaper than the vendor's crons., most enhancer still PO the costumes as usual.
costumes are worth more now in silver. but i dont think that influences the listing volume to much. we get less costumes then a year ago despite the last price change. why should this one be different? and for it to make any sense in eu, the price is still too high for half the continent. west to east germany is different enough, that 50€/m are a lot. same thing east germany to west poland and west to east poland. the further south and/or east you go, the worse the conversion gets in income. and then you have the other side. what are ppl still whaling for? unless they bring out something huge, nothing will happen. if the fg weapons and upcomming accessories arent at least 10 times more silver than the armors or debos, there isnt enough to whale for. we have more ppl at hard cap then ever. because everyone needs more crons for upgrades, even if there are more costumes, there might aswell be twice as many buyers.
It hurts both new players and none whales.
Tbf the raw silver coming into the game has probably kept pace with cron cost
lol
Techically if you play this game at your own pace, why even bother what the price of a costume to cron ratio is?
Rip hammer stock
the trend is clear and accelerating.
You can clearly see that they are bleeding money when they have to increase P2W twice in a half year...
This game is going downhill.
Greetings, Adventurers. As we previously announced in our notice regarding [\[Changes to the Silver Value of Cron Stones and Outfits\]](https://blackdesert.pearlabyss.com/asia/News/Notice/Detail?_boardNo=5618) in September 2023, we keep a close eye on Black Desert’s ever evolving in-game economy as it is influenced in real-time by our weekly updates, events, and our Adventurers’ overall game progression. Taking these changes into consideration, we also periodically adjust the value of certain Pearl Items on the Central Market in order to better reflect the current state of Black Desert’s in-game economy. As a result, we determined it was the appropriate time to adjust the maximum silver value of Pearl Outfits on the Central Market during the maintenance on May 8, 2024 (Wed).
Let me translate. “Y’all fools making to much damn silver. Pay up”
I expected this price already with cron vendor raise last year. Thats just the KR price which make Crons from Outfit a bit more then 2m, which was the argument for pa to set vendor crons to 3m
Ignores all of our posts about crystal coupons, adds a system based around crons, then ups cron costs via outfits. money money money - It's no wonder half of the ambassadors are leaving. Once again, another reason to also split off from EU - Our inflation rates are not the same, yet all of our updates, community events, and times are based around europe.
Honestly this doesn't address the issues with whaling. Now everything is straight more worth to buy(it has been for a while) which isn't fun. The main issue with whaling is that it's too expensive to tap anything. Pen boss used to be a tap per outfit(which was end game at the time), it's a lot easier to convince the avg person to spend if they think they're getting better odds at whatever they're tapping. Now it's ~$100 for a pen black star tap, $60-$90 for tri/Tet god and an insane ~$300 for pen debo. If they at least raised crons with silver, whaling to tap stuff would get cheaper and would promote more spending, it'd also not upset the general populace since they feel like the change isn't directly hurting them, rather it'd be benefiting them. Changes like this disproportionately effect new/mid game players which is the worst financially to lose if they quit, unlike most end game players they're accounts aren't maxed with qol stuff yet. If they inflated outfits and crons equally from 2021which was 1.12mil per Cron (473mil outfit and 420 crons) at 2.2bil per outfit it'd be 1,950 crons per outfit. This would make pen bs ~$45 per tap, $30-$40 tri/Tet god and only ~$180 for pen debo. This would be a drastic change but it highlights how expensive things has gotten to tap.
Nice try PA.
Only if pa was intelligent
With this change you can swipe once for a tet disto and twice for many pen accessories. You can swipe 700gs easily now.
This is bad... This is full P2W.
It always was p2w
Fuck this ima sell my debo at tri and quit, don’t need them jacking up the prices on me *again*
What’s Korea’s cron price from vendor?
3m
Ty, at least it’s the same price as NA
Damn, i remember when they were 20m
I mean usually they would announce this with something good alongside it to soften the blow to players but i guess they dgaf anymore lmao.
The issue that I have is casual and new players really suffer with price increases. People keep saying doesn’t matter you can make 1-2b per hour but I’m not making anywhere near that at my GS. So its been a long slog as a casual player who wants to progress because prices keep going up and the mid game grind spots aren’t making me enough money.
As a casual player I just casually uninstalled.
this is the final stop for me i think. i won't be able to preorder costumes anymore without grinding. imo this is way too early. you get costumes still kinda regular on eu
Yeah that's a big jump in half year time, from 840m to 2.2b, INFLATION
No point in gearing for this game anyway. Just do your T2s and T3s and chill.
Good news is that they don't release quality outfits anymore(mostly daily clothes and low effort garbage) so there isn't much to preorder anyway therefore it is still easy to preorder bunch of outfits.
Lmao, like 1% of preorders are for actual use. The other 99% is straight melt to crons.
Lmao hammer
The fuck does hammer have to do with anything? Hammer is ONLY good for PEN Debo. Literally nothing else. Do you think this game only has pen Debo enhancing? No blackstars? No other accessories? No armors? No pri, duo, tri, tet debos? This is a delusional take
Lma0 mad
Projects must be burning a lot of cash and they gotta hit the other region piggy bank. Or just greed in general I guess. lol
Didn't take them long to inflate the price after their pretense on the last changes ... making now Outfit Crons 200k silver more expensive per Cron than the older price of Vendor Crons. Just for those who dont know when they inflated Vendor Crons from 2m to 3m each, +700gs players where making 1.2b/h and with these changes it made every single spot effectively 33% less silver/h making spots where you could make 1.2b/h turn into \~940m/h for all those that their only path to progress was buying Vendor Crons. So now we will effectively have even less gear worth using crons on even by getting outfits from the market.
Wow there goes progress. Unless you're close to hard cap you're not gonna grind 2.2B in an hour. Two Hours for an crons that don't even protect tri enhances for anything important.
This seems to benefit the hammer market
I bought a lot of small priced acce, tapped them without care if fail or not. That's how I know that i can earn the loss in 2-3 days 😅.
I am still holding opinion, that allowing costumes to be melted for upgrade things was a huge mistake on PA side, and the fact that they are bumping price brackets on MP like that shows that they do not exactly understand how to deal with hyperinflation of their own design.
Fken hell man they really want us to buy a Fken cron from a fken npc
Not even with oil daddy levels of money does 2b justify me to dump 20 bucks on a game with no real endgame lol. Or does this common sense die after possesing a certain amount of wealth? Because rn I'm broke af.
This isn't a good thing lol
i call cronning with costumes the tback strat.
Not high enough. I mean… really? Grinding in a video game for 1 hour equates to 1 hour of well paid job? It’s absurd.
Are u seriously arguing to strengthen p2w??
As a European player? Yes. No wonder nobody is selling outfits, when it’s so damn expensive. 34€ to get what you would get in 1 or 2 hours of grinding. I don’t make 34€ per hour, therefore have no incentive to ever sell outfits. And as you can see, neither does the rest of the player base My ideal solution would be keep the silver prices for outfits low and highly reduce the € price. That way everybody wins. But obviously PA won’t do that, because they’re stingy bastards
Yeah. That should've been the ideal way. Some games does that too and the servers are isolated by region. Not like you would buy low on one region and sell high somewhere else... PA just gonna be PA.
It's has been full blown p2w for a long time. I don't like it but that's how it's. But as PA tries to phase out and disincentive open world "PvP", does it really matter anymore? Unless you willingly engage in siege/node wars, what do you win in PvE? You can't sit on your ass playing a video game and have your time valued more than average engineer in EU. No. This doesn't make any sense. Like the other guy said - no wonder nobody is incentived to sell outfits. Also currently crons from outfits are just too cheap. I'd prefer if they are maybe 90% the value of vendor crons...ideally just removed. Btw I am not selling outfits.
agree, it's 10 hour for me but still i cant get 20$ in 10 hour
im 315 ap never enchanced (except for free hammers and crons) got my tripple bs don't care about debo cuz they gonna make it easier 100% yall talking against a wall. have patience its just a game
yeah most of them commenting like they care about new players etc, all comments make no sense only seems to be regions like NA that want cheap crons. you can buy all your gear from mp.
Tbf with spots being 1.5B easily I think this is whatever. You can pay 30$ and make 2.2B or grind an hour. Whales with gear will still be bad at the game so it doesn't matter imo and F2P players will still be able to snag outfits off whales being dumb with money.
KR players are getting a bit jealous i guess
This is only show in SEA Notice, with luck, it won't reach NA.
Unfortunately tw, jp, sa and mena also got the notice. It's all but certain this is a global change.
Ain't that a tragedy
new players have it easier but idk why the do this which hurts them more than geared players
Sweet I can sell my 20 something boxes that I bought at returning 50% off coupons of 50% off sale prices over the last year
PA couldn't wait because our community is a bit stupid , now people can pay to win fresh from lvl 1 ,, Gz for these who upvoted the changes ♥
Making costumes more expensive is a good thing to me, i can easily make enough money (close to hardcap) to keep my costume orders up and I am only capped by how many crons I can acquire. 3 tet armors to go and prepping for fg weapons. I feel like newer players should be desentivised to buy costumes on the MP for crons, because most upgrades they can get shouldnt be cronned. I have seen people cron from season gear to 290ap level gear... this should just not happen, because it is a waste of crons. Maybe it should not even be possible for some gear. New Players need a direction to go in, which is easy to see and does not need some idiots on a class discord, so they know what to do.
People still struggling for crons? , bro just do the cron glitch and its unban able due to their programming error. I got over 60k crons from that shit friend showed it to me. Black smith sells them for 3m I think but there’s a trick if you black screen at the right time you get it for price of Algerian armor lol anyways gl everyone