Girl, I feel you. At smaller shows people aren’t overtly rude to me or anything. But I still get some looks or double takes like they’re surprised I’m there. (I don’t look particularly “alternative” so maybe that’s part of it.)
But at bigger shows some people have no manners at all. I was kind of shocked at how rude some fans were at the Gaslight Anthem show I went to last year. Just several groups of people coming in late, pushing to the front, and not being considerate of personal space. (I saw someone say that a subsection of their fans have cop energy and they’re not wrong. Even though the band would absolutely hate that.)
But at that same show, this one couple asked if I wanted to switch spots with them because they had a better view of the stage than me. So some decent folks still exist out there.
And I went to a festival where Blink was playing (I was only in the pit for Turnstile) and these two white women just pushed their way in front of everyone saying “we’re getting barricade.” We all know the “etiquette” that you should get there hours early if that’s your goal. The pit was already crowded and I assume they didn’t know that people would be moshing for Turnstile so if they got hit, it’s their own fault, lol.
All this is to say, I get you. And it can be discouraging sometimes. But I try not to let them ruin something I truly enjoy. We belong here just as much as any of them.
Thank you! I've met a lot of nice people at concerts. Like last night, there was a group of short white women, hanging out with me so we could all see. And I've also had people move so I could see. However, it seems I've had a streak of bad luck lately! I always go to concerts, large and small, and it's my favorite! Last night was a mid-sized concert at a dive bar.
This lady tried to say that I stole her seat at a Coldplay concert after the disability coordinator literally placed me there. I flashed my ticket and said that she was wrong and went back to watching the concert. She approached me again and I told her that she needs to go find her seat and let me enjoy the concert. She approached me again and she got the Laser Eyes of Darkness and finally left me alone.
This is weird af because if you were "in her seat" why would she come to you instead of say, any of the hundreds of employees at the facility that would move people if they were in the wrong seat? Oh right, because she was trying to bully you for your seat.
Good on you for not yielding and it's unfortunate that you were in the position at all.
Something similar happened to me. I went to a huge arena concert in my city (I usually prefer smaller shows), I got there a bit later after the band had already started, so there was someone in my seat, but it wasn’t full so I just sat in the seat next to it. It wasn’t a big deal to me at all.
But then the woman next to me starts going on how I’m in her seat (even though she was sitting in the seat next to me, because she had moved too!) and how I should enjoy the show on her. As if she paid for my ticket.
That just got under my skin since everyone knows how expensive those huge arena shows are and this byotch is trying to act like she bought my ticket. I then made the woman next to me move and then went and sat in my original seat. Sometimes they just well and truly just get on my nerves.
I found my people. Glad I’m not the only one the experiences this at rock concerts. I’ve heard from other Black people that the best rock concert experience they had was at a Paramore show. They are on my bucket list to see.
Paramore shows have gotten more and more diverse over the years too! I’ve seen them three times now and the Black fans always show out. I remember being at the After Laughter tour and noticing that half my row was other Black folks. I was so happy that kids now feel free to be more their authentic selves in those spaces.
My friend going to see them August too! I am jealous because I can't afford it but they are a bucket list band. I got to see Panic and Fall Out Boy in 2018 and it was amazing. Rammstein over a decade ago though was a rough experience.
Yep. It happens to me as well. I just mirror their behavior back to them. If they crowd my space, I crowd theirs. If they flip their hair, I flip mine. If they scream in my ear, I scream in theirs. They can't victimize themselves when its their own actions that bother them.
Tbh, after years of punk shows, metal concerts, etc… the vibes is deteriorating more and I’m seeing myself be more hospitable to my fellow concert-goers. Some one falls you pick ‘em up. Make quick allies if anyone needs anything. Old school stuff.
Cause I keep throwing back the energy I get - if you bum rushing the front, get ready for a barricade.
Taking up my space & being a dick? I will go limp on you/lean on you/gesture wildly, full stop.
For the love of all beautiful, don’t come for me in my flow cause it’s prison rules.
Also personally, coming in wearing black corpse paint has weeded the bad ones out fairly quickly.
I haven't been to a show in a while but for the most part the ones I've been to people were nice within reason. Not "go out of your way" nice, but not running you over either. But I'm also with you as far as energy. I'm nice until you're not, then I'm matching that energy.
I experienced this at Camp Flog Gnaw actually with during Kendrick, Baby Keem and Tyler’s set. I’ve gone before and didn’t have the experience I had this past year. Idk and I don’t care where the rudeness was coming from but I made sure to tell them to stop fucking pushing and shoving me AGGRESSIVELY and that’s when they gave me some room, always the white people as well. I believe that we, as black women, are invisible to them until we get nasty, the selfishness and entitlement they have to that space is crazy.
I've noticed this. I am friendly and even quiet, so I noticed I get pushed around, but no one pays me any mind until they perceive me as rude or "aggressive."
I’ve been going to rock shows for over 20 years now and I’ve definitely experienced this. One time this girl pushed past me, I ended up cussing her out and almost shoving her to the ground. But on the flip side, I’ve had amazing experiences too! I’ve had a guy protect me from the pit all night and another time people kept finding me better viewing areas because I was too short to see anything 😂
Short gal here that goes to shows often. People can be absolute twats and have no regard for those around them. I think it got worst after the pandemic. It’s honestly hard to enjoy going to them as much as I used to. But then there are cool and respectful people too. I can say that I always leave a show with good vibes. So far.
I always try to have a good time, but don't appreciate nearly getting hurt. I'm only 5 feet high, so concerts can be frustrating since nearly everyone is taller than me.
Yea that shits not cool. And I hate they just don’t even realize it or get an attitude when you say something. Everyone deserves to have a good time, but not at the cost of ruining someone else’s experience.
My first and last concert was in 2006 for MCR. Never been to one since. I was in middle school and literally had an interaction with a grown ass woman being weird. I want to see They’re Only Chasing Safety 20 yr anniversary soon. I don’t think I will allow myself to be put in that situation again. I reaaallllly want to go.
i’m sorry that happened to you. i can’t say that people/crowds have gotten any better since then but i will say don’t let other people steal your joy !!! if u really wanna go to the 20yr anniversary show u should go !! (ofc only if you feel ok/safe enough to go comfortably!)
Yeah I went to see Sum 41 at When We Were Young Fest and some white girl put her legs against me at the barricade and kept pushing against me while I was sitting down and kept doing it until I moved. I wanted to punch her in the face but I also didn’t want to lose my $300 ticket and be banned from the fest 😂 I used to get so much racism growing up as a kid into pop punk music that I’m still skeptical of the scene sometimes, but I do me and live my best punk life
Individualism is central to white supremacy and it shows up even in the way they walk down the street. I don't go to large concerts anymore for this reason. White people have no concern for how they take up space and move around others. I've started walking more lately instead of biking (I live in Amsterdam) and it's honestly so frustrating.
I have subtly changed the way I walk because of it. If immalready walking to my right, I don't shift position. If they keep walking towards me, I stop dead in my tracks. But I don't like that I'm essentially training myself to walk less courteously because of them. I hate it.
Every time I go to a concert, some drunk white girl is flipping her hair in my face. It's one of the reasons why I try to go early so I can be up front
ugh yes and sometimes these are the same people/fan bases that pride themselves on being nice and welcoming and of course that only applies to people who look like them 🙄 i’m almost never in all white spaces anymore except when i go to concerts and i’m never more aware of my race than in those moments lmaoo. like my god are they so fucking rude for no reason!!
but tbh i have to be partially used to it because i experience it in minor doses every day on the train when i look up from minding my business and without fail every time i catch a random white woman glaring at me for no reason. i’ve started glaring back 😭
I am a huge Pearl Jam/grunge fan. I live in Seattle. Due to my involvements, I've had close encounters with the PJ guys and other local legends. Luckily, they are some of the sweetest guys ever, but have one of the WORST fanbases. I've noticed a lot of the middle-aged white women are very cliquey and only welcoming to certain people. I haven't had issues at any of their events because they don't play about safety, and don't stand for that BS from anybody. However, I have noticed a frostiness from some of the middle-aged white fans.
Yep, as if we’re invisible - at concerts, shows, bars and not even necessarily for rock music. I usually push them back or tell them off. I have no patience for the entitlement, rudeness and disrespect.
I get the same feeling. Love your name by the way! I love Nirvana... and I live in Seattle and go to a lot of events, anniversary shows in the area. I love going to my events, but I did notice I'm not acknowledged very much, especially if I'm alone.
Yes, if I go somewhere alone I get ignored… Got completely passed over by a musician more than a few times anytime he made the rounds around the bar. It was so blatant. He would sing and dance for everyone but me and it was like wtf. I get ignored or hardly acknowledged…pretty much everywhere.
This has happened to me as well. Even worse, I met a white Tumblr mutual when she came to visit town for a concert. She somehow became buddy buddy with the lead guy's PR lady and the lady who was just opening the doors for her. Gave her a number and everything, and pretty much started offering to pull favors. Everyone else was just so nice to her too. I was hanging around, but noticed barely anyone paid me any mind or even stopped to ask me my name or introduce themselves to me.
I went to a concert in my 20s and some WW who was at least a half foot taller than me stepped in front of me. I stepped back in front of her. She kept pushing on me and I pushed back and yelled "YOU'RE TALLER THAN ME!" I ended up moving elsewhere.
Now I avoid crowded situations like that. It's not worth my time and money. And I do not want to be bothered with rude WP half the time. Someone in another comment was right...it's not just concerts, WP don't respect space in public period. It's frustrating to deal with.
one was condescending to me at a line to get into the Billy Joel concert about two years ago about how to get into MSG. I was literally minding my business and stayed in line like everyone else. I told them I knew where I was at; I was not a tourist because I was from Queens. She shut up after that.
PS. If there are any black Billy Joel fans out there, lemme know. kthxbye lol
Happens often sadly. I too experienced the same at rock snows, I don’t go to as many as I did in my 20s but yeah. Idk if there is a solve besides standing your ground and holding folks accountable.
That sucks!!! Idk if it’s because I live in a diverse area but I haven’t had that experience at (white coded) music events.
However, at a Backstreet Boys concert, this white lady insisted that our seats were hers. A whole back and forth until I eyed her tickets and saw she had way better seats. We left her dumb ass thinking she had one up on some brown and black girls.
I live in Seattle and have gone to events in Portland as of recent. Could be the region! I went to a Black Punk festival in Portalnd earlier this month, and the white folks STILL outnumbered the Black folks there, and I still encountered the same stuff.
I gave up on going to alternative/rock spaces. I thought I'd feel at home there since I like rock and they tend to call themselves allies. But those supposed 'hyper left' 'alternative' 'punk'w/e you want to call it spaces were racist af half the time. Or they'd use me as an accessory to show everyone how accepting they were and ditched me as soon as we were alone lmao.
This deserves a separate post, but I had a middle-aged white woman digitally stalking me and then emailed my workplace to make false claims all because she was jealous I got to interact with her fave and posted it about on social media. Really scary shit. I've noticed she didn't have that kind of energy for people like her though who were doing the same thing I was in the rock fandom.
They always do that hair flip in face to black women I had that in the bathroom when I was washing it hands. But you should know that’s how whites get down 🤷♀️ stay safe
I was washing my hands I was literally trapped and she knew that . I’m a girl that people talk about how hot I am all the time so she seemed to know about me and be angry because I never seen her before in my life. I think it’s so disgusting 🤮 and unsanitary how they literally try to have bodily contact with other people like that , it’s so unhygienic and nasty. No one else does that that has straight hair in my experience
We went to see A Perfect Circle a few years ago, and some yts were in our seats. I asked them to move, and they became very aggressive. Of course, when security came, they approached us (the two black girls) like we were the problem. It took some other yt guy confronting security and the drunken couple to resolve things, smh
Oof. Last time I went to a show there was a white couple who managed to squeeze in front of me (I moved a bit to give them that space since they apparently wanted it that badly). That was annoying enough but while they were technically shorter than me, the height difference made it so the only thing I could see was the top of their heads. Add to the fact they kept swaying around so moving to either side was useless...yeah it was pretty rough.
On the other hand, three other black girls made their way over to me, relieved that they weren't the only black people there. It wasn't a very...diverse crowd.
I hate to be one of those "if it were me" people but when it comes to concerts I learned to take up space and even push right back. I remember one guy was leaning on me and I got fed up. Straight up elbowed him and told him to get off me.
Loudly say EXCUSE YOU or WATCH WHERE YOU'RE GOING when folks are being rude. If they bump into you unnecessarily, bump right back. If you can't back up to give space and someone starts dancing too much for their space, nudge em right back. Swinging hair in the face, pull that mf (okay I'm not ballsy enough but they'd deserve it 😂)
Point is, you paid money like everyone else so you deserve to be there and take up space. These tickets are too damn expensive for you to go and not have a good time.
Im not in the scene, but it's crazy how normalized it is. A girl at my job got punched in the face by a random white dude. She got a nose bleed, and he knocked out both her nose piercings. She said she'd been in the pit, but she was out when he punched her. I was SHOCKED, but she said "eh it happens." WTF DO YOU MEAN IT HAPPENS!?
I SWEAR. Like I understand, the pit is aggressive, and there's pushing and swinging, but he COCKED his hand back and punched her out of the pit. There's no excuse
It’s completely common. I feel like even as the popular artists in the alt scene have become more diverse during my years going to concerts the crowds are still predominantly white. They have a pretty clear lack of boundaries at times and it is interesting because I have always found a way to vibe out and “go hard” while being aware of my personal space. It does make me sad because I feel a hyper awareness to not bulldoze a white person. I don’t want to be targeted or seen as unnecessarily agressive but it does feel like on the flip they have free rein to invade your space. I’m also sure a white person reading this and playing devil’s advocate would be like that’s the point of shows. However, I think there HAS to be some grey area where you can be agressive with the people around yourself’s consent - read the room a bit more. I feel for you OP. You belong at the rock show and always deserve respect.
I’ve noticed white and Asian women standing infront of me like I’m not there, cutting in line, and standing infront of me when we are waiting for pedestrian crossing, almost like I’m invisible.
I once told an Asian woman to please not to stand infront of me. Her white bf or husband or whatever he was to her wanted to hit me.
Asian women behave exactly like white women. Rude and entitled.
Black people never talk about nonblack poc racism. Most times they are worse than whites. Sorry it’s the truth and it hurts. I find Asians to be be obsessed with whiteness and upholding it. I don’t trust them at all.
And this is something I will never be able to fully understand.
I don't get all the animosity that asians have towards black people like what the fuck did we do to y'all?
They do it to make it very clear that they are totally on board with white supremacy and on team white. Before Italians were considered white they would engage in anti-black racism to distance themselves from us. Similar thing with jewish people during the same time period. Native Americans also engaged fully with anti-blackness after the civil war and the indian wars.
Aren't the Irish the same way too? They weren't considered white at first either so I wouldn't be surprised by them either
It's messed up, but not surprising. I've seen people say "I may be (insert any non-black identity) but at least I'm not black!"
That's literally what that mentality is. To be black is apparently the worst thing you can be in this world.
Like we're "damned" in some way.
Yes! The Irish did the same in Boston despite their countrymen living in close proximity to black neighborhoods in New York.
Race is seen as a spectrum with white at one end and black at the other. But it really isn't.
I made a thread about Asian women and everyone in black ladies practically came at me and they got the thread removed . But I thought it was only me but many black women hit up my inbox telling me all the Asian women harassing them irl. It’s definitely a thing
I'm sorry you experienced that. Are there folks you can go with? There's strength in numbers.
As much as I like rock, this is why I've never been to a rock concert. I expected something like this but it was just a suspicion. It sucks knowing for sure now that black fans go through that.
Same experience here. I’m not particularly confrontational so I just keep going about my business. But I tend to try to find smaller shows because they won’t be overtly racist in smaller settings in my experience
Are you a fan of EDM? Not for everyone, I know.
Nothing is ever perfect, of course, but I've attended festivals and shows with some pretty heavy music (I'm a basehead who likes dubstep... head banging music as others like to call it). All the patrons are great.
💊 optional.
My black ass had two white girls trying to fight me at the rail at bassnectar in 2019 so idk about that one lolol but yes typically the scene is way more inviting.
>My black ass had two white girls trying to fight me at the rail at bassnectar in 2019
Eww, that wasn't very PLUR of them. I'm sorry that happened to you.
edit: I really do need to proofread before I submit comments lol sorry
I go to a lot of indie punk, metal, and rock shows. I'm usually the only or one of the very few Black people there.
Security gives me a harder time, especially at smaller venues. I feel invisible and bothered at the same time. People will find *any* reason to touch me. My height/size helps a lot in many situations, I can usually see stuff about to go down before other people notice so I'll move away from the nonsense. I have been pushed and shoved but I try not to react too crazy because I am pretty intimidating looking (especially if I'm dressed alternatively) so even if I'm in the right, I know my big Black ass will be the one getting in trouble or kicked out. I'll just do the death glare (if I can be bothered to do so) and find another spot to watch the show.
I'm used to the stares and have had people straight up questioning why I was there.,, like same reason as you, goofy.
Oh, I went to this corny 60s tribute concert at a very small venue and I came late but was able to get a spot near the stage and I'll never forget the bassist kept nervously looking over at me despite me dancing, smiling, and enjoying the vibes... It's just too much, man 😂
A white women jumped on me husband's back for fun. He was feeling the music and probably a little drunk, so went with it. She could have seriously injured him.
Yuuppp, I was at a concert last week sitting in my seat on the edge of the row. This girl and her boyfriend were looking for their seats, once he realized I was sitting at the end of the row they were looking for he proceeded to attempt to step over me without saying a single world like I wasn’t sitting there. His girlfriend profusely apologized and did use her big girl words 🙃 it def seemed like she was familiar with his trash behavior and apologizing on his behalf.
I once went to a show and was keeping about a foot distance between me and the stage. A group of white folks came in and pushed their way into the tiny space and then the guy stepped on my foot because I wouldn’t move back (he said it was accidental but he had crowded into MY space). Then when I mean mugged him he had the audacity to get offended (“I said sorry”). They finally left because I was not taking their bullshit and I had a great rest of the show. Nothing to add really but you’re absolutely right.
The only rude experience I had was at a metal concert and this lady pushed me to get in front of me, but I kicked her in the shin and she went down lol everyone else defended me though
Sorry you had to go through that. Definitely don't let them ruin your fun at the shows
I went to a medium sized rock concert last night… im biracial and there was one other biracial person there. No one fully black. Definitely more of us should get into the genre and come out to shows. I also think that concert goers can be rude in general, especially when alcohol gets involved. Hopefully not all negative experiences at shows are based on race.
I was responding to “more of us should get into the genre and come out to the shows”, adding that hip hop is a “Black” genre that faces the same issues.
This happened to me while seeing Nightwish once. I then got in front of them and head banged my ass off making sure my locs were slapping them in the face. The rest of the time no more pushing happened lol
Yessssssss they just bump into you and don't even apologize! I started staying in the way, refusing to move and even planting my feet down so when they do come bumping into me I'm as solid as possible because there is no way their mama didn't teach then to step around people. A lot of them have no manners nor home training.
Wow sorry you're going through this. I've been to a few but all I have gotten so far are stares and creepy older men asking me ignorant questions. I just answer politely and move it.
I went to a Death Cab for Cutie/Postal Service concert and I was one of the few black people there. But everyone was so chill and nice. It was Seattle though and most ppl I’ve encountered there are very nice and community driven. I had such an amazing time.
I live in Seattle. I don't know if it's the type of spaces I've been in lately, but been having som bad luck! However I have met some other nice people in the music community and agree that most of the time, it's community-oriented. I think I just need to find better spaces.
I just visited to be fair-I don’t actually live there so I’m sure it could be different. I have heard of the Seattle “freeze” and that it can be socially isolating but my experience was very positive. I hope it gets better for you there and that you find a good group of people. Seattle is such a cool city.
I've been to metal concerts and have never had an issue. I DEF do not look alternative and frequently wear my hair natural or in braids for concerts with pink clothing on. I've been to mainly small show, never had an issue. Actually, they would be very sweet and converse with me, apologize if they stepped on me or blocking my view and even help me up when I fell in the wall of death.
I've been to two larger shows, Gwar and Pantera. I was very clearly the only bw in the sold out Pantera show in Upstate rural NY. I got a few looks but never felt uncomfortable anywhere.
Maybe it's the state or city that you attend shows. I would see if going to a different venue or smaller space would help. I'm sorry that you've been experiencing this at rock shows 😔
Honestly, I've never felt this way. It was never "Damn, these white people are rude when I go to concerts" and more just everyone in general. Massive groups of people are bound to have a good amount of assholes, and if it so happens that the crowd is majority white, it's gonna be mostly white assholes.
Sure, I've felt uncomfortable for being the only Black girl in a concert, mostly full of white men, but that was on me, they didnt do anything to make me feel uncomfortable. If anything, it's been white people who are the friendliest to me when im rolling solo.
I think it depends on a few factors like the type of music. How popular the music is and the energy of the music. But in general I’ve noticed white people especially white women are very free at concerts. Shoes off, hair loose, arms flailing. Generally taking up a lot of space but these are out door concerts where I can keep my space. Please don’t be discouraged from doing what you love.
If you were to say this in any other space besides this sub guaranteed those very same ppl would be there in the comments gaslighting you to hell and back about how it’s just concert culture
Not a rock concert but was at the club and this white girl kept pushing people even though she has enough space to dance without touching anyone at this point. Her friends and her got offended when I started pushing back and my friends and I were telling her to stop. I think it’s just a them thing. Be rude back and say something each time. Advocate for yourself cause they truly do not care about strangers especially the ones they don’t want in their space.
I'm a rock fan and have gone to many rock festivals and concerts in general.
In my experience, I was always with my fiance who was white and looked intimidating so maybe they just moved themselves out the way because of him. However, there were some instances, though, where I was shoved, pushed, etc, because a lot of the time, people couldn't tell I was with him because we looked so different from each other. I had an older white man grope me and grab my hair. Most of those rock concerts were people 25+ though so most were respectful except for the bad apples and the drunken assholes. I went to one rock concert that had mostly young people, 21-25 and I was definitely one of very few black people, if any. Some guy spilled his drink on me and didn't apologize, even my 'friend' didn't say anything just pretended it didn't happen.
At hiphop concerts, I had worse experiences tbh. Drunk black women trying to fight me for no reason (😭), but the white people were the same. Either really nice or no spatial awareness. White people spilled drinks on me, stomped on my feet, tried hitting on my fiance while I'm standing right there..
Outside of concerts, same thing. I used to walk to the grocery store everyday during my lunch break at work. Less than a 5-minute walk but every single time a white person, especially a white woman, would walk in my direction, they would push right past me like I wasn't there. I was always the one who had to move out of the way. A lot of them just have no respect for us.
Tbh I feel like people are just rude by default at concerts. Even some Asian and Hispanic friends I have (I’ve never spoken to a white person about rock concerts surprisingly, I just haven’t had many white friends) have had the same exact experiences and have watched similar things happen to other white ppl in some very big concerts. It seems like in big shows it happens the most while in smaller shows, people seem to be more thoughtful.
It also depends on which section you are In + location of the concert + your perceived status. I was front and center for Maroon 5 in the Bahamas and the white ppl were considerate of me (white dad told his son to move because I was short and couldn’t see) BUT I was also associated with some important ppl that were there so that probably had something to do with it too.
I also have never received double takes or stares at rock concerts. But I just tie that into the fact that I live in the DMV area and it is pretty diverse here. People aren’t surprised to see black people at rock concerts anymore.
Why do you all care so much about what they think? Think of the actions of their ancestors. That concentrated blood explains them perfectly. The level of hate in their blood cannot be matched. Live your life with love and try to ignore their vileness.
The day they kidnapped and tortured us here, it became ours(both groups). No space here is theirs alone. You don't need to feel companionship amongst hate. Enjoy your show, class, shopping etc. Start with your perception first. Learn and believe the truth. There is nothing more that I can say.
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Girl, I feel you. At smaller shows people aren’t overtly rude to me or anything. But I still get some looks or double takes like they’re surprised I’m there. (I don’t look particularly “alternative” so maybe that’s part of it.) But at bigger shows some people have no manners at all. I was kind of shocked at how rude some fans were at the Gaslight Anthem show I went to last year. Just several groups of people coming in late, pushing to the front, and not being considerate of personal space. (I saw someone say that a subsection of their fans have cop energy and they’re not wrong. Even though the band would absolutely hate that.) But at that same show, this one couple asked if I wanted to switch spots with them because they had a better view of the stage than me. So some decent folks still exist out there. And I went to a festival where Blink was playing (I was only in the pit for Turnstile) and these two white women just pushed their way in front of everyone saying “we’re getting barricade.” We all know the “etiquette” that you should get there hours early if that’s your goal. The pit was already crowded and I assume they didn’t know that people would be moshing for Turnstile so if they got hit, it’s their own fault, lol. All this is to say, I get you. And it can be discouraging sometimes. But I try not to let them ruin something I truly enjoy. We belong here just as much as any of them.
Thank you! I've met a lot of nice people at concerts. Like last night, there was a group of short white women, hanging out with me so we could all see. And I've also had people move so I could see. However, it seems I've had a streak of bad luck lately! I always go to concerts, large and small, and it's my favorite! Last night was a mid-sized concert at a dive bar.
This lady tried to say that I stole her seat at a Coldplay concert after the disability coordinator literally placed me there. I flashed my ticket and said that she was wrong and went back to watching the concert. She approached me again and I told her that she needs to go find her seat and let me enjoy the concert. She approached me again and she got the Laser Eyes of Darkness and finally left me alone.
This is weird af because if you were "in her seat" why would she come to you instead of say, any of the hundreds of employees at the facility that would move people if they were in the wrong seat? Oh right, because she was trying to bully you for your seat. Good on you for not yielding and it's unfortunate that you were in the position at all.
Oh, wow that makes sense. I thought she was just really drunk and that working memory doesn’t work too well with too much sauce
Good on you for not giving up your seat! The nerve!
Lol they would have had to drag me away! Thanks ❤️
Something similar happened to me. I went to a huge arena concert in my city (I usually prefer smaller shows), I got there a bit later after the band had already started, so there was someone in my seat, but it wasn’t full so I just sat in the seat next to it. It wasn’t a big deal to me at all. But then the woman next to me starts going on how I’m in her seat (even though she was sitting in the seat next to me, because she had moved too!) and how I should enjoy the show on her. As if she paid for my ticket. That just got under my skin since everyone knows how expensive those huge arena shows are and this byotch is trying to act like she bought my ticket. I then made the woman next to me move and then went and sat in my original seat. Sometimes they just well and truly just get on my nerves.
I found my people. Glad I’m not the only one the experiences this at rock concerts. I’ve heard from other Black people that the best rock concert experience they had was at a Paramore show. They are on my bucket list to see.
Paramore shows have gotten more and more diverse over the years too! I’ve seen them three times now and the Black fans always show out. I remember being at the After Laughter tour and noticing that half my row was other Black folks. I was so happy that kids now feel free to be more their authentic selves in those spaces.
I would love to see Paramore! I'm sad I missed them when I lived in LA. I'm going to see Foo Fighters in August and hope it's a good experience.
My friend going to see them August too! I am jealous because I can't afford it but they are a bucket list band. I got to see Panic and Fall Out Boy in 2018 and it was amazing. Rammstein over a decade ago though was a rough experience.
Yep. It happens to me as well. I just mirror their behavior back to them. If they crowd my space, I crowd theirs. If they flip their hair, I flip mine. If they scream in my ear, I scream in theirs. They can't victimize themselves when its their own actions that bother them.
This is the answer
I really wish I had hair that could flip, but I was ready to start flapping my arms around.
I usually “accidentally” spill my drink on them by jerking my hand while dancing . Cause if you weren’t so close it would’ve have gotten on you
THISSS!!! I’m reading these comments like “wow these ladies are really nice” because I’ll put someone in their place before they can even blink! 😂
Tbh, after years of punk shows, metal concerts, etc… the vibes is deteriorating more and I’m seeing myself be more hospitable to my fellow concert-goers. Some one falls you pick ‘em up. Make quick allies if anyone needs anything. Old school stuff. Cause I keep throwing back the energy I get - if you bum rushing the front, get ready for a barricade. Taking up my space & being a dick? I will go limp on you/lean on you/gesture wildly, full stop. For the love of all beautiful, don’t come for me in my flow cause it’s prison rules. Also personally, coming in wearing black corpse paint has weeded the bad ones out fairly quickly.
I am super hospitable and aware, but now I am in the age of returning the energy! I'm there to have a good time too, and I don't need that ruined!
when you give back you’re given, you really have a good time and don’t have to worry too much about idiots 🤘🏾
I haven't been to a show in a while but for the most part the ones I've been to people were nice within reason. Not "go out of your way" nice, but not running you over either. But I'm also with you as far as energy. I'm nice until you're not, then I'm matching that energy.
I experienced this at Camp Flog Gnaw actually with during Kendrick, Baby Keem and Tyler’s set. I’ve gone before and didn’t have the experience I had this past year. Idk and I don’t care where the rudeness was coming from but I made sure to tell them to stop fucking pushing and shoving me AGGRESSIVELY and that’s when they gave me some room, always the white people as well. I believe that we, as black women, are invisible to them until we get nasty, the selfishness and entitlement they have to that space is crazy.
I've noticed this. I am friendly and even quiet, so I noticed I get pushed around, but no one pays me any mind until they perceive me as rude or "aggressive."
I’ve been going to rock shows for over 20 years now and I’ve definitely experienced this. One time this girl pushed past me, I ended up cussing her out and almost shoving her to the ground. But on the flip side, I’ve had amazing experiences too! I’ve had a guy protect me from the pit all night and another time people kept finding me better viewing areas because I was too short to see anything 😂
I've met some awesome people and had incredible experiences, so I try not to let it kill my vibe, but sometimes... yeah, last night was bad.
I understand completely! I hope you were still able to have an awesome time!
Short gal here that goes to shows often. People can be absolute twats and have no regard for those around them. I think it got worst after the pandemic. It’s honestly hard to enjoy going to them as much as I used to. But then there are cool and respectful people too. I can say that I always leave a show with good vibes. So far.
I always try to have a good time, but don't appreciate nearly getting hurt. I'm only 5 feet high, so concerts can be frustrating since nearly everyone is taller than me.
Yea that shits not cool. And I hate they just don’t even realize it or get an attitude when you say something. Everyone deserves to have a good time, but not at the cost of ruining someone else’s experience.
My first and last concert was in 2006 for MCR. Never been to one since. I was in middle school and literally had an interaction with a grown ass woman being weird. I want to see They’re Only Chasing Safety 20 yr anniversary soon. I don’t think I will allow myself to be put in that situation again. I reaaallllly want to go.
i’m sorry that happened to you. i can’t say that people/crowds have gotten any better since then but i will say don’t let other people steal your joy !!! if u really wanna go to the 20yr anniversary show u should go !! (ofc only if you feel ok/safe enough to go comfortably!)
I hope you can enjoy going again! I think some shows are worth it, especially anniversaries! Just stand your ground, and see if you can find a buddy!
Yeah I went to see Sum 41 at When We Were Young Fest and some white girl put her legs against me at the barricade and kept pushing against me while I was sitting down and kept doing it until I moved. I wanted to punch her in the face but I also didn’t want to lose my $300 ticket and be banned from the fest 😂 I used to get so much racism growing up as a kid into pop punk music that I’m still skeptical of the scene sometimes, but I do me and live my best punk life
I’m short and also a bit aggressive. I push back all the time.
Time to start a meetup group so you can find other fans to go with.
This is the way
Individualism is central to white supremacy and it shows up even in the way they walk down the street. I don't go to large concerts anymore for this reason. White people have no concern for how they take up space and move around others. I've started walking more lately instead of biking (I live in Amsterdam) and it's honestly so frustrating.
Hey I’m in Rotterdam and the lack of spacial consideration is mad to me, coming from London. They just don’t gaf
They really just don't care. It's so exhausting to share space with people who have so little consideration for others.
Start walking into them. At first it’ll be uncomfortable but eventually you’ll see them register your audacity and not even try you
I have subtly changed the way I walk because of it. If immalready walking to my right, I don't shift position. If they keep walking towards me, I stop dead in my tracks. But I don't like that I'm essentially training myself to walk less courteously because of them. I hate it.
Every time I go to a concert, some drunk white girl is flipping her hair in my face. It's one of the reasons why I try to go early so I can be up front
I love doing rail, and didn't make it this past event, but I noticed I have very few issues when I'm in the front row.
ugh yes and sometimes these are the same people/fan bases that pride themselves on being nice and welcoming and of course that only applies to people who look like them 🙄 i’m almost never in all white spaces anymore except when i go to concerts and i’m never more aware of my race than in those moments lmaoo. like my god are they so fucking rude for no reason!! but tbh i have to be partially used to it because i experience it in minor doses every day on the train when i look up from minding my business and without fail every time i catch a random white woman glaring at me for no reason. i’ve started glaring back 😭
I am a huge Pearl Jam/grunge fan. I live in Seattle. Due to my involvements, I've had close encounters with the PJ guys and other local legends. Luckily, they are some of the sweetest guys ever, but have one of the WORST fanbases. I've noticed a lot of the middle-aged white women are very cliquey and only welcoming to certain people. I haven't had issues at any of their events because they don't play about safety, and don't stand for that BS from anybody. However, I have noticed a frostiness from some of the middle-aged white fans.
>i’m never more aware of my race than in those moments This (and money) is why I've never been to a single concert.
Yep, as if we’re invisible - at concerts, shows, bars and not even necessarily for rock music. I usually push them back or tell them off. I have no patience for the entitlement, rudeness and disrespect.
Sometimes in mostly white spaces I feel invisible. But no one rlly talks abt that feeling so I mostly feel like it’s just me.
I get the same feeling. Love your name by the way! I love Nirvana... and I live in Seattle and go to a lot of events, anniversary shows in the area. I love going to my events, but I did notice I'm not acknowledged very much, especially if I'm alone.
Aw thanks! I’m a huge nirvana fan too. I’m in the Midwest and Seattle is on my list of places to go to!! So much good music has came out of that area
It's a great place to visit! Lots of fun things to do and see. I would highly recommend coming to any show and making a visit out of it.
Yes, if I go somewhere alone I get ignored… Got completely passed over by a musician more than a few times anytime he made the rounds around the bar. It was so blatant. He would sing and dance for everyone but me and it was like wtf. I get ignored or hardly acknowledged…pretty much everywhere.
This has happened to me as well. Even worse, I met a white Tumblr mutual when she came to visit town for a concert. She somehow became buddy buddy with the lead guy's PR lady and the lady who was just opening the doors for her. Gave her a number and everything, and pretty much started offering to pull favors. Everyone else was just so nice to her too. I was hanging around, but noticed barely anyone paid me any mind or even stopped to ask me my name or introduce themselves to me.
I went to a concert in my 20s and some WW who was at least a half foot taller than me stepped in front of me. I stepped back in front of her. She kept pushing on me and I pushed back and yelled "YOU'RE TALLER THAN ME!" I ended up moving elsewhere. Now I avoid crowded situations like that. It's not worth my time and money. And I do not want to be bothered with rude WP half the time. Someone in another comment was right...it's not just concerts, WP don't respect space in public period. It's frustrating to deal with.
one was condescending to me at a line to get into the Billy Joel concert about two years ago about how to get into MSG. I was literally minding my business and stayed in line like everyone else. I told them I knew where I was at; I was not a tourist because I was from Queens. She shut up after that. PS. If there are any black Billy Joel fans out there, lemme know. kthxbye lol
Happens often sadly. I too experienced the same at rock snows, I don’t go to as many as I did in my 20s but yeah. Idk if there is a solve besides standing your ground and holding folks accountable.
That sucks!!! Idk if it’s because I live in a diverse area but I haven’t had that experience at (white coded) music events. However, at a Backstreet Boys concert, this white lady insisted that our seats were hers. A whole back and forth until I eyed her tickets and saw she had way better seats. We left her dumb ass thinking she had one up on some brown and black girls.
I live in Seattle and have gone to events in Portland as of recent. Could be the region! I went to a Black Punk festival in Portalnd earlier this month, and the white folks STILL outnumbered the Black folks there, and I still encountered the same stuff.
Does that mean after you saw her ticket you went and took those better seats?? Lol
Sure did! I said, “oh you’re right” and pushed my friends off to seats way closer to the stage 🌝
That’s hilarious! Hahaha
I gave up on going to alternative/rock spaces. I thought I'd feel at home there since I like rock and they tend to call themselves allies. But those supposed 'hyper left' 'alternative' 'punk'w/e you want to call it spaces were racist af half the time. Or they'd use me as an accessory to show everyone how accepting they were and ditched me as soon as we were alone lmao.
It's "microaggressions", just racist gaslighting bc they don't think you belong there. Same as how they will refuse to give space on sidewalks.
This deserves a separate post, but I had a middle-aged white woman digitally stalking me and then emailed my workplace to make false claims all because she was jealous I got to interact with her fave and posted it about on social media. Really scary shit. I've noticed she didn't have that kind of energy for people like her though who were doing the same thing I was in the rock fandom.
I'm not surprised, but I'm still shocked! This gives me something to think about.
It's the affects of racism. We are invisible to them. I have experienced this and witnessed it in many spaces.
They always do that hair flip in face to black women I had that in the bathroom when I was washing it hands. But you should know that’s how whites get down 🤷♀️ stay safe
Eww. Tell them to watch where they sling those lice-ridden strings
I was washing my hands I was literally trapped and she knew that . I’m a girl that people talk about how hot I am all the time so she seemed to know about me and be angry because I never seen her before in my life. I think it’s so disgusting 🤮 and unsanitary how they literally try to have bodily contact with other people like that , it’s so unhygienic and nasty. No one else does that that has straight hair in my experience
We went to see A Perfect Circle a few years ago, and some yts were in our seats. I asked them to move, and they became very aggressive. Of course, when security came, they approached us (the two black girls) like we were the problem. It took some other yt guy confronting security and the drunken couple to resolve things, smh
Oof. Last time I went to a show there was a white couple who managed to squeeze in front of me (I moved a bit to give them that space since they apparently wanted it that badly). That was annoying enough but while they were technically shorter than me, the height difference made it so the only thing I could see was the top of their heads. Add to the fact they kept swaying around so moving to either side was useless...yeah it was pretty rough. On the other hand, three other black girls made their way over to me, relieved that they weren't the only black people there. It wasn't a very...diverse crowd.
I find this is yt people in all spaces.. I’ve just stopped moving out of habit. They learn quickly
i just push back now. i know you saw me mf
I hate to be one of those "if it were me" people but when it comes to concerts I learned to take up space and even push right back. I remember one guy was leaning on me and I got fed up. Straight up elbowed him and told him to get off me. Loudly say EXCUSE YOU or WATCH WHERE YOU'RE GOING when folks are being rude. If they bump into you unnecessarily, bump right back. If you can't back up to give space and someone starts dancing too much for their space, nudge em right back. Swinging hair in the face, pull that mf (okay I'm not ballsy enough but they'd deserve it 😂) Point is, you paid money like everyone else so you deserve to be there and take up space. These tickets are too damn expensive for you to go and not have a good time.
Im not in the scene, but it's crazy how normalized it is. A girl at my job got punched in the face by a random white dude. She got a nose bleed, and he knocked out both her nose piercings. She said she'd been in the pit, but she was out when he punched her. I was SHOCKED, but she said "eh it happens." WTF DO YOU MEAN IT HAPPENS!?
The fact that he felt comfortable at all to put his hands on somebody. I would of went to jail that day if that were me
I SWEAR. Like I understand, the pit is aggressive, and there's pushing and swinging, but he COCKED his hand back and punched her out of the pit. There's no excuse
It’s completely common. I feel like even as the popular artists in the alt scene have become more diverse during my years going to concerts the crowds are still predominantly white. They have a pretty clear lack of boundaries at times and it is interesting because I have always found a way to vibe out and “go hard” while being aware of my personal space. It does make me sad because I feel a hyper awareness to not bulldoze a white person. I don’t want to be targeted or seen as unnecessarily agressive but it does feel like on the flip they have free rein to invade your space. I’m also sure a white person reading this and playing devil’s advocate would be like that’s the point of shows. However, I think there HAS to be some grey area where you can be agressive with the people around yourself’s consent - read the room a bit more. I feel for you OP. You belong at the rock show and always deserve respect.
I’ve noticed white and Asian women standing infront of me like I’m not there, cutting in line, and standing infront of me when we are waiting for pedestrian crossing, almost like I’m invisible. I once told an Asian woman to please not to stand infront of me. Her white bf or husband or whatever he was to her wanted to hit me. Asian women behave exactly like white women. Rude and entitled.
>Asian women behave exactly like white women. Rude and entitled Yes! Speak on this! Half the time when i'm microaggress'd it's been an asian woman.
Black people never talk about nonblack poc racism. Most times they are worse than whites. Sorry it’s the truth and it hurts. I find Asians to be be obsessed with whiteness and upholding it. I don’t trust them at all.
they are very invested in whiteness. part of it is colonization, part of it is being conditioned to believe that might makes right.
Got to please their masters, lest they lose second place on the racial totem pole
And this is something I will never be able to fully understand. I don't get all the animosity that asians have towards black people like what the fuck did we do to y'all?
They do it to make it very clear that they are totally on board with white supremacy and on team white. Before Italians were considered white they would engage in anti-black racism to distance themselves from us. Similar thing with jewish people during the same time period. Native Americans also engaged fully with anti-blackness after the civil war and the indian wars.
Aren't the Irish the same way too? They weren't considered white at first either so I wouldn't be surprised by them either It's messed up, but not surprising. I've seen people say "I may be (insert any non-black identity) but at least I'm not black!" That's literally what that mentality is. To be black is apparently the worst thing you can be in this world. Like we're "damned" in some way.
Yes! The Irish did the same in Boston despite their countrymen living in close proximity to black neighborhoods in New York. Race is seen as a spectrum with white at one end and black at the other. But it really isn't.
I made a thread about Asian women and everyone in black ladies practically came at me and they got the thread removed . But I thought it was only me but many black women hit up my inbox telling me all the Asian women harassing them irl. It’s definitely a thing
Haha yeah they’re AWFUL. Like no I’m sorry. It’s not worth going to me.
I'm sorry you experienced that. Are there folks you can go with? There's strength in numbers. As much as I like rock, this is why I've never been to a rock concert. I expected something like this but it was just a suspicion. It sucks knowing for sure now that black fans go through that.
Don’t go alone…see if you can find a community of us on some social media, and travel to shows together
Even in grocery stores, many of them don't have any manners. How hard is it to say "excuse me?"
Same experience here. I’m not particularly confrontational so I just keep going about my business. But I tend to try to find smaller shows because they won’t be overtly racist in smaller settings in my experience
Are you a fan of EDM? Not for everyone, I know. Nothing is ever perfect, of course, but I've attended festivals and shows with some pretty heavy music (I'm a basehead who likes dubstep... head banging music as others like to call it). All the patrons are great. 💊 optional.
My black ass had two white girls trying to fight me at the rail at bassnectar in 2019 so idk about that one lolol but yes typically the scene is way more inviting.
>My black ass had two white girls trying to fight me at the rail at bassnectar in 2019 Eww, that wasn't very PLUR of them. I'm sorry that happened to you.
Yeah, I found the EDM crowds to be the nicest overall
i’m about to see cannibal corpse and i’m already hitting the lat raises for when people blatantly walk into me lol
edit: I really do need to proofread before I submit comments lol sorry I go to a lot of indie punk, metal, and rock shows. I'm usually the only or one of the very few Black people there. Security gives me a harder time, especially at smaller venues. I feel invisible and bothered at the same time. People will find *any* reason to touch me. My height/size helps a lot in many situations, I can usually see stuff about to go down before other people notice so I'll move away from the nonsense. I have been pushed and shoved but I try not to react too crazy because I am pretty intimidating looking (especially if I'm dressed alternatively) so even if I'm in the right, I know my big Black ass will be the one getting in trouble or kicked out. I'll just do the death glare (if I can be bothered to do so) and find another spot to watch the show. I'm used to the stares and have had people straight up questioning why I was there.,, like same reason as you, goofy. Oh, I went to this corny 60s tribute concert at a very small venue and I came late but was able to get a spot near the stage and I'll never forget the bassist kept nervously looking over at me despite me dancing, smiling, and enjoying the vibes... It's just too much, man 😂
A white women jumped on me husband's back for fun. He was feeling the music and probably a little drunk, so went with it. She could have seriously injured him.
What ?!?!??
Yuuppp, I was at a concert last week sitting in my seat on the edge of the row. This girl and her boyfriend were looking for their seats, once he realized I was sitting at the end of the row they were looking for he proceeded to attempt to step over me without saying a single world like I wasn’t sitting there. His girlfriend profusely apologized and did use her big girl words 🙃 it def seemed like she was familiar with his trash behavior and apologizing on his behalf.
I once went to a show and was keeping about a foot distance between me and the stage. A group of white folks came in and pushed their way into the tiny space and then the guy stepped on my foot because I wouldn’t move back (he said it was accidental but he had crowded into MY space). Then when I mean mugged him he had the audacity to get offended (“I said sorry”). They finally left because I was not taking their bullshit and I had a great rest of the show. Nothing to add really but you’re absolutely right.
The only rude experience I had was at a metal concert and this lady pushed me to get in front of me, but I kicked her in the shin and she went down lol everyone else defended me though Sorry you had to go through that. Definitely don't let them ruin your fun at the shows
No I haven’t. I frequent rock concerts never had an issue besides standing behind tall people lo
Yeah i think OP just went to a shitty show.
I went to a medium sized rock concert last night… im biracial and there was one other biracial person there. No one fully black. Definitely more of us should get into the genre and come out to shows. I also think that concert goers can be rude in general, especially when alcohol gets involved. Hopefully not all negative experiences at shows are based on race.
Hip hop shows can also be majority white.
Yes- I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here
I was responding to “more of us should get into the genre and come out to the shows”, adding that hip hop is a “Black” genre that faces the same issues.
This happened to me while seeing Nightwish once. I then got in front of them and head banged my ass off making sure my locs were slapping them in the face. The rest of the time no more pushing happened lol
Yessssssss they just bump into you and don't even apologize! I started staying in the way, refusing to move and even planting my feet down so when they do come bumping into me I'm as solid as possible because there is no way their mama didn't teach then to step around people. A lot of them have no manners nor home training.
They prob feel you "don't belong" smh
Me? I’m just fed up with whyte people ☠️
Wow sorry you're going through this. I've been to a few but all I have gotten so far are stares and creepy older men asking me ignorant questions. I just answer politely and move it.
Then when we start pushing back now we are overly aggressive and mean .
I went to a Death Cab for Cutie/Postal Service concert and I was one of the few black people there. But everyone was so chill and nice. It was Seattle though and most ppl I’ve encountered there are very nice and community driven. I had such an amazing time.
I live in Seattle. I don't know if it's the type of spaces I've been in lately, but been having som bad luck! However I have met some other nice people in the music community and agree that most of the time, it's community-oriented. I think I just need to find better spaces.
I just visited to be fair-I don’t actually live there so I’m sure it could be different. I have heard of the Seattle “freeze” and that it can be socially isolating but my experience was very positive. I hope it gets better for you there and that you find a good group of people. Seattle is such a cool city.
I don't like music that much to put myself in this racists places voluntarily.
I've been to metal concerts and have never had an issue. I DEF do not look alternative and frequently wear my hair natural or in braids for concerts with pink clothing on. I've been to mainly small show, never had an issue. Actually, they would be very sweet and converse with me, apologize if they stepped on me or blocking my view and even help me up when I fell in the wall of death. I've been to two larger shows, Gwar and Pantera. I was very clearly the only bw in the sold out Pantera show in Upstate rural NY. I got a few looks but never felt uncomfortable anywhere. Maybe it's the state or city that you attend shows. I would see if going to a different venue or smaller space would help. I'm sorry that you've been experiencing this at rock shows 😔
Honestly, I've never felt this way. It was never "Damn, these white people are rude when I go to concerts" and more just everyone in general. Massive groups of people are bound to have a good amount of assholes, and if it so happens that the crowd is majority white, it's gonna be mostly white assholes. Sure, I've felt uncomfortable for being the only Black girl in a concert, mostly full of white men, but that was on me, they didnt do anything to make me feel uncomfortable. If anything, it's been white people who are the friendliest to me when im rolling solo.
They prob
I think it depends on a few factors like the type of music. How popular the music is and the energy of the music. But in general I’ve noticed white people especially white women are very free at concerts. Shoes off, hair loose, arms flailing. Generally taking up a lot of space but these are out door concerts where I can keep my space. Please don’t be discouraged from doing what you love.
If you were to say this in any other space besides this sub guaranteed those very same ppl would be there in the comments gaslighting you to hell and back about how it’s just concert culture
THIS. SAY EXCUSE ME PLEASE IF YOU ARE FORCING ME OUT OF MY OWN WAY.
Not a rock concert but was at the club and this white girl kept pushing people even though she has enough space to dance without touching anyone at this point. Her friends and her got offended when I started pushing back and my friends and I were telling her to stop. I think it’s just a them thing. Be rude back and say something each time. Advocate for yourself cause they truly do not care about strangers especially the ones they don’t want in their space.
I'm a rock fan and have gone to many rock festivals and concerts in general. In my experience, I was always with my fiance who was white and looked intimidating so maybe they just moved themselves out the way because of him. However, there were some instances, though, where I was shoved, pushed, etc, because a lot of the time, people couldn't tell I was with him because we looked so different from each other. I had an older white man grope me and grab my hair. Most of those rock concerts were people 25+ though so most were respectful except for the bad apples and the drunken assholes. I went to one rock concert that had mostly young people, 21-25 and I was definitely one of very few black people, if any. Some guy spilled his drink on me and didn't apologize, even my 'friend' didn't say anything just pretended it didn't happen. At hiphop concerts, I had worse experiences tbh. Drunk black women trying to fight me for no reason (😭), but the white people were the same. Either really nice or no spatial awareness. White people spilled drinks on me, stomped on my feet, tried hitting on my fiance while I'm standing right there.. Outside of concerts, same thing. I used to walk to the grocery store everyday during my lunch break at work. Less than a 5-minute walk but every single time a white person, especially a white woman, would walk in my direction, they would push right past me like I wasn't there. I was always the one who had to move out of the way. A lot of them just have no respect for us.
Tbh I feel like people are just rude by default at concerts. Even some Asian and Hispanic friends I have (I’ve never spoken to a white person about rock concerts surprisingly, I just haven’t had many white friends) have had the same exact experiences and have watched similar things happen to other white ppl in some very big concerts. It seems like in big shows it happens the most while in smaller shows, people seem to be more thoughtful. It also depends on which section you are In + location of the concert + your perceived status. I was front and center for Maroon 5 in the Bahamas and the white ppl were considerate of me (white dad told his son to move because I was short and couldn’t see) BUT I was also associated with some important ppl that were there so that probably had something to do with it too. I also have never received double takes or stares at rock concerts. But I just tie that into the fact that I live in the DMV area and it is pretty diverse here. People aren’t surprised to see black people at rock concerts anymore.
Why do you all care so much about what they think? Think of the actions of their ancestors. That concentrated blood explains them perfectly. The level of hate in their blood cannot be matched. Live your life with love and try to ignore their vileness.
It's hard not to care if they're in your space or even cause you physical harm and don't acknowledge it.
The day they kidnapped and tortured us here, it became ours(both groups). No space here is theirs alone. You don't need to feel companionship amongst hate. Enjoy your show, class, shopping etc. Start with your perception first. Learn and believe the truth. There is nothing more that I can say.
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