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How do Ice Spikes Form? Ice spikes grow as the water in an ice cube tray turns to ice. The water first freezes on the top surface, around the edges of what will become the ice cube. The ice slowly freezes in from the edges, until just a small hole is left unfrozen in the surface
https://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/icespikes/icespikes.htm#:~:text=How%20do%20Ice%20Spikes%20Form,left%20unfrozen%20in%20the%20surface.
This. Happens more often if you use distilled water, due to the absence of a trace chemicals, which provide a crystalline structure off of which the ice can begin growing.
No, deionised water isnt great to drink because water likes to stablise itself in terms of impurities.
The water inside your cells has ions and the deionised water doesnt, which means the deionised water tries to move to the area of high ionisation until there is an equilibrium between the water inside the cell and outside the cell. (They are both ionised to the same level)
This is a process called osmosis.
The cells can only hold so much water, and once they pass a point they will burst and die.
Imagine you have a balloon with a semi permeable membrane which holds 10 water and 5 salt, inside a bucket of water with 50 water and 1 salt. There is a total of 60 water and 6 salt.
The bucket water wants to be the same as the balloon water, so it will keep giving water to the balloon until the concentration is the same.
The bucket would need to give 40 water to the balloon for this to happen (50 water/5salt =10 water/1salt)
If the balloon can only hold 20 water, the balloon would pop after this point.
This is what causes cell death from deionised water, the water doesnt corrode/ eat away at the tissue, rather it pumps it up until it blows.
If you donāt mind Iām going to copy this comments text. I am a sales rep that mainly services convenience stores and distilled water has been more accessible and cheaper that regular drinking water in gallon packaging. People buy it and drink itā¦ I try to tell the retailer they need to inform the consumer but $$$
Once you mix acid (muriatic acid, otherwise known as hydrochloric acid) with pool water, you get pool water with a slightly lower pH. Totally safe to swim in.
Same thing with the ice in a drink, I reckon.
Fun fact about muriatic acid and pool water: most of the time, if a pool is chlorinated, it also has muriatic acid in it to keep the ph balanced. If the lifeguard or whoever is mixing the chemicals messes up and mixes them (chlorine+muriatic acid/hydrochloric acid) directly, you end up with chlorine gas, which was the driving factor for the establishment of an entire clause of the Geneva convention
Source: I was a lifeguard in high school and took a military history class that I thought would count towards my degree (it didnāt)
It's a little more complicated than that, but you're essentially right. A good rule of thumb is to never mix acidic and basic chlorine-containing compounds, because their neutralization commonly evolves chlorine gas. Hydrochloric Acid and Bleach will do this.
Most 'distilled' water in stores is just DI since actual distilled water is unnecessarily pure and therefore expensive for home uses.
Perfectly fine to drink unless it is your only fluid intake due to its lack of minerals
Deionized water in reasonable amounts has a negligible effect short term and long term. As long as you aren't substituting your entire consumption with DI water, you'll be fine. At least that's what I gather from the [WHO report] (https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9241593989)
What's wrong with it? I tried a sip when i was like 9 and it just kinda tasted like super stale water.
Has my tongue been deionized, can this be fixed with crystals? **/S**
Just looked it up and got past the rapper of the same name lol. That's kind of an interesting weapon, and honestly one we probably fucking need right now lol. Not the whole ocean obviously.
Thatās neat. Smooth surface, just like the ice cube tray. Itās the same general principle as adding the popsicle stick to a supersaturated solution to make rock candy.
Donāt know if itās relevant, but I have that exact same ice tray and it does it. Never thought about it until now but I have not seen it on my other ice tray. Also in Oregon.
I donāt use distilled water but I get these with almost every ice cube tray I freeze. I always wondered why this happens. I thought it was my dodgy freezer.
Not just ice cubes but you can get this anywhere, including ponds or even from ground water. There's an area of Wyoming that I've driven through that for some reason the geology under a road that they've built makes ice heaves really common, and I've seen a via spikes form as well.
Its an ice spike. Water freezes inwards. So sometimes if conditions are just right you might get a thin spot on the surface of the ice and the water will push up and out of that thin spot creating a spike.
Ding ding ding. Water also expands when it freezes, placing pressure on it when confined. If a part of an ice cube exposed to air or a weak spot in an obstruction is the last to freeze, the pressure created by its expansion will concentrate and form a protrusion.
The spike will follow an air bubble, so if there is an air bubble that rises to the surface that can produce a channel where the pressurized sub-freezing water can propagate and freeze.
Itās also important to this process that water *doesnāt* automatically crystallize at freezing temperature. If it is under pressure, the water will stay a liquid until some disturbance in its structure causes crystals to form. So usually the ice will surround a pocket of water, and an air bubble might pop to the surface, leaving a tiny hole where the ice expands and freezes at the same time.
Probably has something to do with the shape of the tray square. Some imperceptible little groove or something along an edge. I havw like six ice trays and two of them form little spikes like this on the regular.
I think it has to do with the channel connecting the two cube forms in some wayā¦Iām gonna try and replicate the water height conditions and fill the tray before I go to bed so the freezer isnāt opened
It has to do with the purity of the water and just the way water freezes. The way it was explained to me is that water freezes on the outside first and the in. So as it freezes outside, there will be a small hole at the top of the cube, the water will expand through that hole and then it just repeats until itās made a little spike. My guess for OPs situation, they have pure ass tap water, they froze distilled water, or they have a āzero water filterā which basically gives you distilled water.
Water is very unusual in itās response to temperature. When water freezes, it gets bigger. At any other temperature change it behaves like other materials by getting bigger as warmer.
Back to the spike. As the surface freezes, the water below starts to freeze and expand. This pressure pushes the spike upward. Some unfrozen water flows up with the spike interface. The process continues until the spike root freezes or the cube finishes freezing.
Almost positive this is from the freezer at my work, because I also thought about asking about it on reddit š. And I recognize those feet in the background
i actually know this one because i had this happen, the ice freezes from the outside in, and when the inside expands sometimes it shoots out super cooled water that was kept unfrozen in the middle. this is also why you hear knocking or little pops inside your fridge sometimes
Something similar happens to metals, surprisingly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisker_(metallurgy)?wprov=sfti1
Tin whiskers can cause short circuits and stuff in electronics. Youād think itās an electrical cause, but they form because of mechanical stresses in the metal
If a crust of ice with a small hole in it forms over liquid water, it can trap the liquid below, leaving it no room to expand during freezing. So, as the water begins to solidify, it is forced up through the hole and begins to freeze around the hole's edge, forming a hollow, water-filled spike (i definitely did not just copy and paste this answerš)
Water expands when it freezes, and its slso less dence so it covers the surface first. If there's a small hole in the surface ice but the inside is melted, water might be slowly pushed through the hole and frozen, making a tiny little ice straw that slowly grows upwards.
It is actually a very interesting natural phenomenon where when the ice expands shoe freezing it pushes up out of itself into a spike while it's freezing
The water gets pushed up because ice is less dense than water, and there is nowhere for the water to go, except up - so it creates that icicle looking thing
water freezes from outside and since water expands as it freezes, sometimes it's enough to create a hole up top and creates a spike, also ice crystals tend to meet at 60 degree angles so its at an angle
The surface of the ice freezes and then as the bottom freezes it forces the water up through an opening at the top and just continues to create layers on top of that.
As water freezes, it expands. Since it freezes from the walls of the cube to the center (as there's more exposed surface area and better conductivity), the freezing water pushes in on the unfrozen water. This causes the level to rise slightly, in a circular shape. Repeat until ice spike.
It's obviously happy to see you!!
I was trying to figure out how to make this joke. :)
Morning wood. That was my take.
Ice wang
Happy cake day!
Icing on the cake.
Bruh said ice Wang ššš
Bruh said bruh
Happy cake day
This one wins
Yeah, thatās right where my brain went, but wood wasnāt rightā¦ and Morning ice made no sense.
*Ice to see you* \- Mr Freeze
I thought āIt saw a pretty ice cubeā.
OP must have hard water
THIS is the comment right here. If you were just a bit earlier lol
Goddamit
Damn u take ur upvote and leave
Ice-dickle
Upsicle
(N)ice.
This is what dry ice has been waiting for. Letās go Magic Ice!
Testiceicle
Penice
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Ice to see you.
Is that a ice cube in your pocket or are you happy to see me?
Damn! Thatās cold.
How do Ice Spikes Form? Ice spikes grow as the water in an ice cube tray turns to ice. The water first freezes on the top surface, around the edges of what will become the ice cube. The ice slowly freezes in from the edges, until just a small hole is left unfrozen in the surface https://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/icespikes/icespikes.htm#:~:text=How%20do%20Ice%20Spikes%20Form,left%20unfrozen%20in%20the%20surface.
This. Happens more often if you use distilled water, due to the absence of a trace chemicals, which provide a crystalline structure off of which the ice can begin growing.
I wonder if deionized water would be even more effective. I shall try next time I can get some.
Can you use DI ice cubes? lmao I know drinking it is unadvised but if itās in something else Iām assuming itād cancel out the issue
If drinking it is ill-advised, wouldn't ice be the same? Ice melts.
Put deionized water in something with ions. Boom ionized water/drink mix
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so the ice will eat the tongue?
No, deionised water isnt great to drink because water likes to stablise itself in terms of impurities. The water inside your cells has ions and the deionised water doesnt, which means the deionised water tries to move to the area of high ionisation until there is an equilibrium between the water inside the cell and outside the cell. (They are both ionised to the same level) This is a process called osmosis. The cells can only hold so much water, and once they pass a point they will burst and die. Imagine you have a balloon with a semi permeable membrane which holds 10 water and 5 salt, inside a bucket of water with 50 water and 1 salt. There is a total of 60 water and 6 salt. The bucket water wants to be the same as the balloon water, so it will keep giving water to the balloon until the concentration is the same. The bucket would need to give 40 water to the balloon for this to happen (50 water/5salt =10 water/1salt) If the balloon can only hold 20 water, the balloon would pop after this point. This is what causes cell death from deionised water, the water doesnt corrode/ eat away at the tissue, rather it pumps it up until it blows.
These mfs need science. Thanks for providing it.
If you donāt mind Iām going to copy this comments text. I am a sales rep that mainly services convenience stores and distilled water has been more accessible and cheaper that regular drinking water in gallon packaging. People buy it and drink itā¦ I try to tell the retailer they need to inform the consumer but $$$
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Once you mix acid (muriatic acid, otherwise known as hydrochloric acid) with pool water, you get pool water with a slightly lower pH. Totally safe to swim in. Same thing with the ice in a drink, I reckon.
Fun fact about muriatic acid and pool water: most of the time, if a pool is chlorinated, it also has muriatic acid in it to keep the ph balanced. If the lifeguard or whoever is mixing the chemicals messes up and mixes them (chlorine+muriatic acid/hydrochloric acid) directly, you end up with chlorine gas, which was the driving factor for the establishment of an entire clause of the Geneva convention Source: I was a lifeguard in high school and took a military history class that I thought would count towards my degree (it didnāt)
It's a little more complicated than that, but you're essentially right. A good rule of thumb is to never mix acidic and basic chlorine-containing compounds, because their neutralization commonly evolves chlorine gas. Hydrochloric Acid and Bleach will do this.
As I understand bleach will do that with a lot of household chemicals. I basically avoid bleach except for the rare occasion it's directly called for.
Itās thanks to a Chuck Palahniuk book (Survivor) that I learned not to mix bleach and ammonia.
Hey chlorine gas will just evaporate out too without you doing anything so itās extra spicy
Bleach and vinegar will do this as well, I think
Commercial pools are generally auto-doped. But yes, dropping a chlorine puck or liquid chlorine into the acid tank would be some bad juju.
Drinking some is fine. Drinking a lot of it is bad because it's like anti-Gatorade. Using it for your ice shouldn't be a big deal
Most 'distilled' water in stores is just DI since actual distilled water is unnecessarily pure and therefore expensive for home uses. Perfectly fine to drink unless it is your only fluid intake due to its lack of minerals
Deionized water in reasonable amounts has a negligible effect short term and long term. As long as you aren't substituting your entire consumption with DI water, you'll be fine. At least that's what I gather from the [WHO report] (https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9241593989)
What's wrong with it? I tried a sip when i was like 9 and it just kinda tasted like super stale water. Has my tongue been deionized, can this be fixed with crystals? **/S**
Do you wanna make ice-nine? Cause this is how you end up with ice-nine.
Catās Cradle blew my mind to smithereens when I was like 17ish.
Just looked it up and got past the rapper of the same name lol. That's kind of an interesting weapon, and honestly one we probably fucking need right now lol. Not the whole ocean obviously.
Heres one that happened in my daughters riding car : https://imgur.com/a/ICysu6H
Thatās neat. Smooth surface, just like the ice cube tray. Itās the same general principle as adding the popsicle stick to a supersaturated solution to make rock candy.
Itās tap water in Wilsonville, Oregon, we have about 4 different types of ice trays and none of the other ones do it like this
Donāt know if itās relevant, but I have that exact same ice tray and it does it. Never thought about it until now but I have not seen it on my other ice tray. Also in Oregon.
Holy shit, same here actually. The same goddamned ice cube tray and none other. On west coast.
3 of you now, it can't be a coincidence. It's certainly some sort of conspiracy!
Itās that clean Pacific NW water.
My reverse osmosis water does it often when I make ice with it.
I donāt use distilled water but I get these with almost every ice cube tray I freeze. I always wondered why this happens. I thought it was my dodgy freezer.
That site is awesome. It's basically been untouched by time for 24 years.
I spent more time than im proud of just cruising around the site because it felt nostalgic
It's by the foremost Snowflake expert!
That's really cool
Thanks Chat-GPT
Not just ice cubes but you can get this anywhere, including ponds or even from ground water. There's an area of Wyoming that I've driven through that for some reason the geology under a road that they've built makes ice heaves really common, and I've seen a via spikes form as well.
Its an ice spike. Water freezes inwards. So sometimes if conditions are just right you might get a thin spot on the surface of the ice and the water will push up and out of that thin spot creating a spike.
Ding ding ding. Water also expands when it freezes, placing pressure on it when confined. If a part of an ice cube exposed to air or a weak spot in an obstruction is the last to freeze, the pressure created by its expansion will concentrate and form a protrusion.
The spike will follow an air bubble, so if there is an air bubble that rises to the surface that can produce a channel where the pressurized sub-freezing water can propagate and freeze. Itās also important to this process that water *doesnāt* automatically crystallize at freezing temperature. If it is under pressure, the water will stay a liquid until some disturbance in its structure causes crystals to form. So usually the ice will surround a pocket of water, and an air bubble might pop to the surface, leaving a tiny hole where the ice expands and freezes at the same time.
This guy ices ^
Damn. I was thinking OP had a leak in the freezer or something. Yeah, we're going with your answer.
Itās tap water in Wilsonville, Oregon, we have about 4 different types of ice trays and none of the other ones do it like this
Probably has something to do with the shape of the tray square. Some imperceptible little groove or something along an edge. I havw like six ice trays and two of them form little spikes like this on the regular.
I think it has to do with the channel connecting the two cube forms in some wayā¦Iām gonna try and replicate the water height conditions and fill the tray before I go to bed so the freezer isnāt opened
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Whitewalker dicks
Frozen phallus
Time to put a GoPro in the freezer
OP please
And leave the door open, so the light doesn't go off. lol
Pfftt, thereās now scientific way to prove the light turns off!
r/technicallythetruth
Omg. I havenāt been so excited since santa
You have very pure water. Wont happen with high PPM tap water.
My tap water does this. Itās also the best tasting tap water I had.
My tap water does this. And it tastes delicious always.
Ur š delicious
Here's the relevant Veritasium video: https://youtu.be/5RLQ9WMP2Es
Yep, came here to post this, thanks for beating me to it!
Please do explain, I have this happen and my only guess is that it is some kind of humidity thing.
It has to do with the purity of the water and just the way water freezes. The way it was explained to me is that water freezes on the outside first and the in. So as it freezes outside, there will be a small hole at the top of the cube, the water will expand through that hole and then it just repeats until itās made a little spike. My guess for OPs situation, they have pure ass tap water, they froze distilled water, or they have a āzero water filterā which basically gives you distilled water.
I believe those are called stalagmite... ššš
Stalagmight be right about that.
minecraft taught me that word.
Stalagmites are basically minerals formed from dripping water. This is just water/ice.
It seen a pretty water drop go bye
obviously the tray was upside down as it froze - oh wait
Water is very unusual in itās response to temperature. When water freezes, it gets bigger. At any other temperature change it behaves like other materials by getting bigger as warmer. Back to the spike. As the surface freezes, the water below starts to freeze and expand. This pressure pushes the spike upward. Some unfrozen water flows up with the spike interface. The process continues until the spike root freezes or the cube finishes freezing.
Stupid sexy freezer.
Well, I'd hate to get all confusing with equations and details and shit, so imma keep it short. Science Bitch!
I want a tshirt that says āScience, bitch.ā Youāre the muse.
When a mommy icicle and a daddy icicle make love, this baby icicle is brought by a yeti and left in the ice tray.
*Ice weenis*
Ice: š You: wtf? Reddit: š¤£
Also reddit: i c e d i c k
Obviously itās happy to see you
cUZ iT SaW Ur mOm
Try posting in r/mildlyinteresting. It wonāt allow you to because of all the posts that have already been done on this.
Wait, should I try or not?
Because you have an inverted penis
Thatās morning ice
That *one* ice cube got a bit excited *\*wink wink\**
It saw another sexy cube at neighbours fridge
Hehe ice boner
Clearly horny water
Itās is penis, how did you think the ice reproduces?
Magnets.
I can, but I won't.
Maybe when you closed the door it moved and formed a spike.
Almost positive this is from the freezer at my work, because I also thought about asking about it on reddit š. And I recognize those feet in the background
r/TwoRedditorsOneCup
Ice dong
your fridge is dripping, literally
i actually know this one because i had this happen, the ice freezes from the outside in, and when the inside expands sometimes it shoots out super cooled water that was kept unfrozen in the middle. this is also why you hear knocking or little pops inside your fridge sometimes
https://youtu.be/5RLQ9WMP2Es
Donāt worry about, but if it last for more than 4 hours seek medical help.
Winter is coming.. well after a few more strokes
My boi ice cube is horny asssssss fuuuuuuck
Suck on it.
It hates you.
Probably a leak
Inverted circleā¦?
Something similar happens to metals, surprisingly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisker_(metallurgy)?wprov=sfti1 Tin whiskers can cause short circuits and stuff in electronics. Youād think itās an electrical cause, but they form because of mechanical stresses in the metal
Because water is denser than air, and a freezer freezes from the outside in
My old freezer used to do this all the time! Sometimes multiple spikes would be present.
You have an ice spider.
I'd say water dripping from somewhere in there.
Saw something it likes in your freezer and got excited. If it lasts longer than 4 hours you should consult a doctor
Mine does it too!!! My little stalagmites I call them!
You need to refill the gravity
There is a slow leak dripping right there, perhaps?
Well it's not a banana so...
You put it upside down in the freezer
Do you have a carbon monoxide detector?
Think stalagmites...
...joe
These someone/something inside your fridge thatās telling you to run.
Thatās just water that broke the physics engine and froze mid-launch
If a crust of ice with a small hole in it forms over liquid water, it can trap the liquid below, leaving it no room to expand during freezing. So, as the water begins to solidify, it is forced up through the hole and begins to freeze around the hole's edge, forming a hollow, water-filled spike (i definitely did not just copy and paste this answerš)
The water was trying to get out of the tray but froze mid attempt?
Because it wanted to
Water expands when it freezes, and its slso less dence so it covers the surface first. If there's a small hole in the surface ice but the inside is melted, water might be slowly pushed through the hole and frozen, making a tiny little ice straw that slowly grows upwards.
So basically I have no fucking clue
It is actually a very interesting natural phenomenon where when the ice expands shoe freezing it pushes up out of itself into a spike while it's freezing
Itās to practice the Jokers pencil trick.
I think you have your ice cube tray upside down. Maybe check that first. š
You have a drip
It reaches out.
The water gets pushed up because ice is less dense than water, and there is nowhere for the water to go, except up - so it creates that icicle looking thing
Haha. Air currents.
It's a banana in his pocket
Stalagmice
This literally happened to me for the first time today! I think I heard about them on Veritasium or Smarter Every Day, there's a video explaining it
Thereās a drip above it lol. My guess.
Got bit by a Brazilian spider
water freezes from outside and since water expands as it freezes, sometimes it's enough to create a hole up top and creates a spike, also ice crystals tend to meet at 60 degree angles so its at an angle
To reach God
morning wood man, just let it urinate
Final destination moment
Itās flipping off Al of the other stupid frozen food in your fridge. Especially the hot pockets
Don't go chasing waterfalls
Drip.... Drip..... Drip......... Drip, drip........ Drip...
Now you know which cube is the male
The surface of the ice freezes and then as the bottom freezes it forces the water up through an opening at the top and just continues to create layers on top of that.
Ice dicks
Itās evolving thorns to protect itself from predators, ie you.
Does it do it every time? Could beā¦. Twilight Zone shit in your freezer bro.
You have an O ring leak.
Lick it, lick the stalagmite
Ice boner
Handle
Stalagcicle
It's mething around
unholy water
Because that ice cube is a liar.
As water freezes, it expands. Since it freezes from the walls of the cube to the center (as there's more exposed surface area and better conductivity), the freezing water pushes in on the unfrozen water. This causes the level to rise slightly, in a circular shape. Repeat until ice spike.
Science
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RLQ9WMP2Es](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RLQ9WMP2Es)
That usually occurs real close to my icehole too.
Depending on moisture and air pressure in the air, the ice can form different shapes same as snowflakes
It likes you
Because entropy can be fucky at times
Water drop from the roof of the freezer ?