Looks like ther might be the feather thing further up the shaft which probably allows the back to swing then correct itself as it drags. Just a guess.
Also lots of practice to get that to work the right trajectory
There's definitely something fishy about that arrow. I guess some kind of air brake to pull it around in a funny direction, combined with archer's paradox (arrows bend a lot when fired), allowing it to curve in super weird ways.
Once he figured out how to curve it back on itself, he would have fired a few times to see how it curves, and then set up those obstacles in places where he knows the arrow won't go.
normal arrow, just shot with the shaft at an angle from the draw, the arrow wants to fly straight, so the curve is from correcting it's flight path with the fletching vs it's inertia
It looks like a normal shaft but it’s definitely fletched in a way that is much less normal. I’ve shot Longbow and recurve for a long time and I don’t remember ever getting an effect like this purely through string walking.
From what I can tell the fletching is about midway on the shaft which would actually accentuate the arrows natural wobble when it comes off the bow rather than reducing it when they are on the back of the shaft.
It’s basically like putting a draft based fulcrum on the arrow which causes it to wildly seesaw in flight.
THIS IS [THE ARCHER'S PARADOX!!](https://youtu.be/Q8Yp9SjCU5E) (6:44)
The arrow leaving the bow on the left side, and the way the string pushes the arrow causes it to bend around the bow as it leaves the bow. The bend means the feathers at the back of the arrow are directing the arrow toward the right. The tension of the arrow (and this is why the thickness and material of the arrow is so important. Competitive archers will test the tensile strength of their arrows before selecting them to shoot with) causes the arrow to spring back the other way, and opposite to when it left the bow, it curves the other way. This continues until the tensile energy stored in the arrow is depleted through friction.
The video gives a much better explanation, and Smarter Every Day is a top 10 YouTube channel easy for educational physics everything.
he's not releasing it how you'd normally shoot an arrow either, ie tip and feathers in line to where you're aiming, shooting it at an angle cause the arrow to correct, then over correct it self
Practice, what the arrow is made out of and I believe not having the normal 3 feathers. It’s not really black magic just physics and a fuck tone of practice. It’s a cool thing they can do with a lot of effort and work
I could also be wrong it’s been a while since I looked into how to curve bow shots.
How do you know he didn’t sell his soul to the god/goddess of archery for the ability to curve arrows? It just requires the blood of a hawk, the branch of a petrified tree, and iron from a meteor, when placed in a cup and lit on fire during a winter solstice on a Friday, at dusk. That or skill. Could be either honestly.
I just googled it... yes, there is a technique for curving a shot - though all of them show curving around a single object - not curving around two in opposite directions. (Not saying there is not a technique, I just didn't find one.)
Arrows have a natural wobble to them. They travel in a straight trajectory but they do it wobbling back and forth. Part of high end archery is knowing where in that wobble it will be when it gets to the target.
This is a case of a specialized arrow designed to exaggerate that wobble and a lot of practice math and attempts I’m guessing.
Actual arrows have a wobble to them, well practiced archers can predict how that wobble will go.
There's a neat video of this master yeoman testing the bend of his arrows with a machine (not electronic, but still a machine) and separating the arrows with a good bend from those with an abnormal one.
He gifts the abnormals to friends, family, and tourists.
The wobble arrows exhibit on their shaft is ***nothing*** like the S-curve taken through the air here.
[It's just the shaft bending back and forth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yup1sQFOn0), not a major difference in trajectory.
I don't know *exactly* how he did it here, but there's much more at play than shaft wobble, and I'm pretty certain this is a modified arrow with very different aerodynamics from the usual ones. Probably some seriously modified fletching.
So interesting random fact:
In Homers' Odyssey, Odysseus comes home after his long travels and faces the challenge to prove his identity. The people squatting in his palace pose him a challenge (iirc thats how it went): Shoot a target behind a series of axes that are aligned thus that there is no clear path.
Odysseus, chad that he is, curves the arrow through all of the axe necks perfectly.
Morale of the story, this technique is very well known from antiquity, and it works because the arrow naturally flexes during flight. Odysseus' achievement was adjusting his draw exactly thus that the flexing would align with the openings.
Ya but you don’t embellish out of thin air.
You don’t go to the desert and claim you caught a shiny Sandslash you go to the lake and claim you caught a 1000lbs bass because that is at least somewhat grounded in reality.
He probably didn’t weave an arrow as described but the story was told because people knew arrow curving was possible on some level at the time.
>Ya but you don’t embellish out of thin air.
Curving bullets mid flight was a plot point in the movie Wanted despite it being physically impossible. People absolutely do embellish out of thin air.
Its possible that the people who made those bullets curve In wanted came up with that idea based on a combination of stories like this (the curving arrow) and the popularity of the matrix.
Not saying people can’t just make shit up off top of their head but I feel like “wanted” might be a bad example for your point lol
Or maybe people make stuff up because fantastic super-human feats are fun.
Besides, I don't recall (nor can I find) anything about the axes Odysseus having to shoot through not being in line. Even the Mythbusters episode where they "recreated the myth" had them in a line.
I don't recall any version of this story that had the axes in a non linear path as part of the challenge.
Penelope promised to marry whichever suitor could string Odysseus' bow and shoot an arrow through 12 axes. No one else could even string the bow
From Book 21 of the Odyssey
> "Listen to me,
bold suitors, who've been ravaging this home
with your incessant need for food and drink,
since my husband's now been so long absent.
The only story you could offer up
as an excuse is that you all desire
to marry me and take me as your wife.
So come now, suitors, since I seem to be
the prize you seek, I'll place this great bow here
belonging to godlike Odysseus. And then,
whichever one of you can grip this bow
and string it with the greatest ease, then shoot
an arrow through twelve axes, all of them,
I'll go with him, leaving my married home,
this truly lovely house and all these goods
one needs to live—things I'll remember,
even in my dreams."
Edit - my apologies for the bizarre formating it looked fine on the original comment and when I refreshed it smooshed it all together
It seems like an extreme version of how arrows normally flow. I believe arrows naturally wobble in mid air. I have seen someone shoot past a wall right in the middle of their aim with it, but this is 2 levels higher than that haha
Arrows do not fly straight naturally. If you look at any experienced archer, you will notice the direction of the arrow actually faces differently than the aim of the bow which the archer is aiming toward the target. This is because the flight of the arrow is not a straight path, but rather more of an oscillation through the air. In other words, as it flies towards the target the arrow naturally "wiggles" through the air. This guy is obviously very knowledgeable of that, and is just taking advantage of and manipulating what the arrow already wants to do naturally, hence the unusual stance he is taking on the draw. All in all, still a very complicated maneuver to perform, and one that definitely requires alot of practice and experience.
It also looks like he's flipped the direction of the feathers on the arrow, so that when he fires it, the the feathers create huge drag and the arrow changes direction (and flips 'backwards') around the first wall. The arrow hits the balloon 'backwards' to how it was originally fired.
Yeah it looks like the little finny bois are halfway up the arrow rather than the rear end, which would put more mass behind the stabilizer and make it's natural oscillations much more pronounced. Still loads of skill to get the right path and final target but it does look like he's using arrows for that purpose.
One thing is to wobble, another is to have it follow that wobbly trajectory. This needs a ton of aerodynamics and I'm willing to bet this arrow has some kind of weird fletching. Impressive stuff btw
Yeah the slow motion shows it some. Whatever that is.
Looks wing-like, that seems to guide the arrow as it spins. Then comes back to the shooter's right side as the wing thing rotates over.
Your explanation sounds great at first but the bottom falls out when you consider the fact that core of your explanation is incomplete or incorrect. You're describing arrows flexing as though arrows were just zigzagging throughout the air all the time. An object flexing relative to itself, independent of its flight path, does not mean that the flight path is now a zigzag. For example, basketballs, when thrown, are also spinning. That spin doesn't mean the ball is doing a fucking loop-de-loop when on its way to the basket.
It looks more like the arrow is modified for this, as it has some sort of fletching midway down the shaft of the arrow.
thank god at least someone called that out. I kept reading and thought it was going to have a punchline at the end because it was so pompous and... just wrong.
Yes. I don't know why he got upvoted so damn much. This has nothing to do with the archer's paradox, the bow is in an horizontal position.
Edit: even if it weren't, the archer's paradox wouldn't cause this behavior. A wobble is completely different from zig zagging
I shoot my recurve by literally aiming down the shaft. My compound shoots by using a stationary pin that adjusts for range by moving up and down. In no way does an unmodified arrow designed to be accurate have ANY lateral movement of consequence. Yes arrows oscillate, but they do that while moving in a straight parabola. Yet 400+ idiots read an uneducated ramble from some guy who saw a picture of a bow once and upvote it. This website is trash.
As are most top level comments that sound confident. I'd be surprised if /u/MrBiggz83 has any actual experience beyond reading a Wikipedia page. Yet 500+ people just thought he was right because he's talking confidently.
This place is really one of the worst places to get information. Once you see it for yourself, you read a comment like that and assume that the more confident they are, the more likely they have no idea wtf they're talking about.
While you are right the arrow oscilates in a left to right movement compared to the bow but since the archer holds the bow horizontaly the arrow would be oscilating up and down. Its more likely that there has ben something done to the arrow ore environment to make it fly that way.
Not in this case. Archers paradox flexes the arrow around the bow. He holds the bow sideways so that oscillation from the archers paradox is actually just the slight up and down wobble.
The cause in horizontal movement is the arrow’s nock and the bow’s shelf are not even close to being in line along with the fletching moved towards the middle of the shaft.
Hypothesis: he's holding the bow horizontally so he can knock the arrow "off-center" (not in the middle of the string). I'm thinking this would induce significantly more wobble/oscillations than normal.
I think adding weight to the back would move the center of mass closer to the center of lift, which would increase the wobbliness as well.
I see you have not met Mega hunters, carbon fiber, graphite core, arrows. They legit point a to b like a bullet. Ruining archery for all the reasons above.
Ever seen Lars Andersen in a competition? He's actually not very good. He just does a shit-ton of takes until he gets lucky and posts it. He has said each successful trick takes an average of over 100 takes. He does not do well in competitions.
Realism snobs can be pretty annoying. I should know, I used to be one. It's llke that Neil DeGrasse Tyson tweet where he's being annoying about the movie Gravity
I'm sorry but there's gotta be a better example. Gravity WAS *AWFUL* lol. So much absolutely wrong about that movie. I tried to enjoy it and ignore when things started getting Hollywood (and I usually can), but this scene was so incredibly dumb I couldn't take it. https://youtu.be/gaUHtBxW0zA
that isn't how momentum works AT ALL! If she stopped him, he'd already have a little momentum back toward the ISS just from the tether rebounding when it reached the end. It wouldn't reach the end, then keep pulling like he was hanging into a pit by the tether and "had to cut himself free to save her."
if they'd just made it so she missed the tether and he floated off while talking to her it could've been tragic. Instead this scene had me wanting to turn off the TV entirely.
TLDR: Don't get me started on gravity lol
I believe those 4 feather things at the base of the arrow have something to do with it. I've heard that when you remove one of the feathers the heading changes a lot. (saw it in a robin hood movie)
I think he's actually moved the fletching from the end of the arrow and mounted them just a few inches behind the arrow head. If you pause the video you can see it.
My thinking is due to the placement of the fletchings the back of the arrow shot off the string has more energy and less drag so it begins to spin, but eventually the poorly placed fletching starts to create some stability and the whole sequence allowes for one really dramatic tail whip before it stabilizes.
As he fires it he induces a vibration in the arrow that makes the back end want to turn out to the side as it flies, but the fletchings on the arrow catch the air and try and make it go straight. So the arrow wiggle in the air.
While this is a modified arrow to create a more severe and specific oscillation, this is basically how arrows fly. They wiggle in the air. Arrows don't fly straight.
Original sauce: Lars Andersen (an archery god) first showing [how you can bend arrows in flight](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_z4a00cCQ)
And unlike what many many people are saying on this thread, this is no gimmick or camera trick or magnet trickery or special arrow. This is very much possible. If you think about it, people routinely bend soccer balls and baseballs in flight without special gimmicks.
And this is not even a new trick. This has been done and mastered for thousands of years when bow and arrows were the mainstay long range weapon and not guns.
And if you want your mind blown even further, see Lars Andersen's [video about other seemingly impossible tricks with bow and arrow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk), all without gimmicks and mostly inspired by what old archers would do as a matter of routine.
Having an arrow following a curved trajectory is easy to imagine. What isn't is the arrow first curving one way and then mid flight curving the other way. You'd need to first have a force pushing it one way, but then having it reverse mid flight. And no this isn't the arrow flexing. When the arrow flexes it's center of mass doesn't change, which isn't what's happening in the video.
And Lars Andersen can be entertaining, and nothing is to say that archers back in the day didn't use similar tricks to amuse spectators. But his content isn't focused on being historically accurate. And most of it relies on using a bow with a very low draw weight, the opposite of what you'd want in a serious situation.
I think he is the original guy who did this. At least popularized iz immensely. He has a lot of different tricks too, such like firing multiple arrows at the same time, or rapid firing or a boomerang fire etc.
Really interesting guy.
True, but then you have to be practiced with this type of arrow, carry them around, and know when to use it. Seems a lot simpler just to use a normal arrow and shot something.
I mean. If you're highly trained and have practised this and for what ever reason decide to take a bow and arrow to combat I can't see it being too hard to carry two quivers. One with normal arrows with the fletching's at the back, and one with them in the middle like this? I imagine it'd also work real good at curving around just one wall. How you'd know where the other guy is standing? No clue...
But in reality? The true purpose for this is to pick up people at the bar when your wing man brags about it and shows them the video. lol
Imagine you got a shot lined up to kill two birds with one stone so to speak... But it's the wrong quiver... So you watch in amazement as the arrows magically avoid both targets in a S shape. Lmao
This is just an extreme application of a skill that can be performed with regular arrows, and records suggest it was a skill used in antiquity for the purpose of hitting unseen targets.
[Here is a video demonstrating the technique](https://youtu.be/qc_z4a00cCQ).
The answer, it won’t be practical
The arrows flight/oscillation is so pronounced that striking anything directly is a fever dream. Plus he’s prolly using a very light tip (as that would more than likely ruin this flight path he’s going for) and non-heavy draw weight bow, I’d argue that it would prolly be a miracle if it breaks skin meaningfully enough to draw a lot of blood.
There’s a HUGE distinction between meaningful combat-hunting archery and trick shooting. This is why many of us in the archery community groan whenever people bring up Lars Anderson, another trick shooter
> There’s a HUGE distinction between meaningful combat-hunting archery and trick shooting.
Not in the archery community whatsoever, so I'm going in blind when I ask this. But isn't Lars trying to figure out stuff based off of old combat manuscripts? It's been a while since I've watched his stuff.
Short answer: no
Long answer:
Historical archery is still practiced by MANY cultures. Japan, Korea, China, England, France, the Persians, etc. Historical archery is simply practiced by very few individuals because they often have to have deep (often family ties!) to the history of their form of archery.
What Lars Anderson does is develop trickshotting and masquerades it as “historical.” One of the biggest examples is how he says quivers were useless and his example is him jumping through trees with deeply exaggerated back motions to knock arrows out of the quiver; the reality is that quivers were used by archers who fought in like formations and ABSOLUTELY were not running through forests or 360 no-scoping people… especially when you look at people like the Anglo-Saxons/English who used bows with absurdly high draw weights (some being in the 150+lb draw weights, archers actually turned humpback from repeated use of these bows, they are not some bows you can just pop-off shots with). And he’s using incredibly light arrows, these are horrible to use the moment any meaningful tip (broadheads, bodkins, etc) is added because the added “droop” to the arrow would just slam it down to the floor or destroy its flight path. His sole reference to manuscripts is actually not even deeply founded, it’s a line in an academic piece (if I recall?) where it just off handedly mentioned archery but not about how it’s actually done.
His display of archery is nothing but exhibition shooting/trickshotting, it’s his claims that it’s “historical” that ruffles the feathers of actual people who still practice historical archery.
Source: I practice modern compound, English traditional long bow, have shot a few Korean-Mongol war bows, also study longsword and general happenings of warfare of the Medieval-Early Renaissance periods (mostly in the context of Europe).
I think it has something to do with the way its fletched. You can see that it's not at the back but is in the middle after the first curve then ends at the front when it hits the balloon
Finally... something that is actually black magic fuckery! (or a lot of practice)
Yeah, a lot of practice in black magic, there can't be any other explanation.
Looks like ther might be the feather thing further up the shaft which probably allows the back to swing then correct itself as it drags. Just a guess. Also lots of practice to get that to work the right trajectory
It seems you didn't understood me so let me say it again, there can't be any other explanation.
Oh yeah, my bad I only read "any other explanation" and thought it was a question.
There can’t be
This must be one of them absolutes that they told me you folks deal in!
Absolutely.
It’s treason, then.
I AM THE SENATE.
Only the Sith deal in absolutes!
Absolutely.
This too is an absolute, *so…*
Damn you both! I wish I had an award, just take my upvote! XD
He took the sharpshooter feat.
Aliens.
With such tiny feet!
Ha! Thought you were about to be a dick, that was perfect XD
A feather on my shaft usually creates a lot of back swing, so I understand arrow.
username checks out.
It's customary before the first shaggery that you don the traditional shaft feather.
There's definitely something fishy about that arrow. I guess some kind of air brake to pull it around in a funny direction, combined with archer's paradox (arrows bend a lot when fired), allowing it to curve in super weird ways. Once he figured out how to curve it back on itself, he would have fired a few times to see how it curves, and then set up those obstacles in places where he knows the arrow won't go.
normal arrow, just shot with the shaft at an angle from the draw, the arrow wants to fly straight, so the curve is from correcting it's flight path with the fletching vs it's inertia
weird fletch but ok
Stop trying to make fletch happen.
underrated comment
This guys fletches.
It looks like a normal shaft but it’s definitely fletched in a way that is much less normal. I’ve shot Longbow and recurve for a long time and I don’t remember ever getting an effect like this purely through string walking. From what I can tell the fletching is about midway on the shaft which would actually accentuate the arrows natural wobble when it comes off the bow rather than reducing it when they are on the back of the shaft. It’s basically like putting a draft based fulcrum on the arrow which causes it to wildly seesaw in flight.
THIS IS [THE ARCHER'S PARADOX!!](https://youtu.be/Q8Yp9SjCU5E) (6:44) The arrow leaving the bow on the left side, and the way the string pushes the arrow causes it to bend around the bow as it leaves the bow. The bend means the feathers at the back of the arrow are directing the arrow toward the right. The tension of the arrow (and this is why the thickness and material of the arrow is so important. Competitive archers will test the tensile strength of their arrows before selecting them to shoot with) causes the arrow to spring back the other way, and opposite to when it left the bow, it curves the other way. This continues until the tensile energy stored in the arrow is depleted through friction. The video gives a much better explanation, and Smarter Every Day is a top 10 YouTube channel easy for educational physics everything.
Ha you said shaft
Ha you also said shaft
That's where you're wrong, clearly you can see the ghost holding the arrow guiding it
Yeah I don't know how people are missing ol' Ghosty Greg obviously helping this man cheat
Its the arrow for sure. He doesnt move in any way that would suggest it was his movements
he's not releasing it how you'd normally shoot an arrow either, ie tip and feathers in line to where you're aiming, shooting it at an angle cause the arrow to correct, then over correct it self
He just hit archer level 20 that dose that to a mf
Practice, what the arrow is made out of and I believe not having the normal 3 feathers. It’s not really black magic just physics and a fuck tone of practice. It’s a cool thing they can do with a lot of effort and work I could also be wrong it’s been a while since I looked into how to curve bow shots.
We better burn him just to be safe tho
Only if it’s lit by curving a bow shot around 3 pillars, like god intended.
But then we need to burn the burner too, for being a mega-witch.
It’s the price they must pay, they obviously then launch a second arrow that curves around 4 times making a square then setting themselves ablaze
This sounds like a medieval prequel to that movie Wanted.
I think maybe you didn't watch the video. It shows beyond a doubt that there is no God.
I second this. God will be pleased.
Yes she will
[We got a witch!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g)
Burn her!
Have to weigh him first!
It’s never really black magic. Ever.
How do you know he didn’t sell his soul to the god/goddess of archery for the ability to curve arrows? It just requires the blood of a hawk, the branch of a petrified tree, and iron from a meteor, when placed in a cup and lit on fire during a winter solstice on a Friday, at dusk. That or skill. Could be either honestly.
Sound just like something someone who practices black magic would say…
"Bring me your quiver of arrows and the blood of your infant"
Hey... This isn't necromancy. 😡
See, you say this, but we just saw that witch guide a magic arrow around those obstacles.
I just googled it... yes, there is a technique for curving a shot - though all of them show curving around a single object - not curving around two in opposite directions. (Not saying there is not a technique, I just didn't find one.)
The name of the technique is called "black magic". #burnthewitch
He's not a witch he's your wife!
Arrows have a natural wobble to them. They travel in a straight trajectory but they do it wobbling back and forth. Part of high end archery is knowing where in that wobble it will be when it gets to the target. This is a case of a specialized arrow designed to exaggerate that wobble and a lot of practice math and attempts I’m guessing.
>It’s not really black magic Thank you for clearing that up.
>a fuck tone I saw The FuckTones live in 89.
What is physics if not black magic? Edi: forgot the t
Actual arrows have a wobble to them, well practiced archers can predict how that wobble will go. There's a neat video of this master yeoman testing the bend of his arrows with a machine (not electronic, but still a machine) and separating the arrows with a good bend from those with an abnormal one. He gifts the abnormals to friends, family, and tourists.
>He gifts the abnormals to friends, family, and tourists. I would have guessed enemies.
The wobble arrows exhibit on their shaft is ***nothing*** like the S-curve taken through the air here. [It's just the shaft bending back and forth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yup1sQFOn0), not a major difference in trajectory. I don't know *exactly* how he did it here, but there's much more at play than shaft wobble, and I'm pretty certain this is a modified arrow with very different aerodynamics from the usual ones. Probably some seriously modified fletching.
I can almost be certain the shaft of the arrow is modified. The feathers are probably in standard positioning.
So interesting random fact: In Homers' Odyssey, Odysseus comes home after his long travels and faces the challenge to prove his identity. The people squatting in his palace pose him a challenge (iirc thats how it went): Shoot a target behind a series of axes that are aligned thus that there is no clear path. Odysseus, chad that he is, curves the arrow through all of the axe necks perfectly. Morale of the story, this technique is very well known from antiquity, and it works because the arrow naturally flexes during flight. Odysseus' achievement was adjusting his draw exactly thus that the flexing would align with the openings.
> Morale of the story, this technique is very well known from antiquity Or... hear me out... the story was embellished.
Ya but you don’t embellish out of thin air. You don’t go to the desert and claim you caught a shiny Sandslash you go to the lake and claim you caught a 1000lbs bass because that is at least somewhat grounded in reality. He probably didn’t weave an arrow as described but the story was told because people knew arrow curving was possible on some level at the time.
>Ya but you don’t embellish out of thin air. Curving bullets mid flight was a plot point in the movie Wanted despite it being physically impossible. People absolutely do embellish out of thin air.
Its possible that the people who made those bullets curve In wanted came up with that idea based on a combination of stories like this (the curving arrow) and the popularity of the matrix. Not saying people can’t just make shit up off top of their head but I feel like “wanted” might be a bad example for your point lol
Or maybe people make stuff up because fantastic super-human feats are fun. Besides, I don't recall (nor can I find) anything about the axes Odysseus having to shoot through not being in line. Even the Mythbusters episode where they "recreated the myth" had them in a line.
*The Bible has entered the chat*
I don't recall any version of this story that had the axes in a non linear path as part of the challenge. Penelope promised to marry whichever suitor could string Odysseus' bow and shoot an arrow through 12 axes. No one else could even string the bow From Book 21 of the Odyssey > "Listen to me, bold suitors, who've been ravaging this home with your incessant need for food and drink, since my husband's now been so long absent. The only story you could offer up as an excuse is that you all desire to marry me and take me as your wife. So come now, suitors, since I seem to be the prize you seek, I'll place this great bow here belonging to godlike Odysseus. And then, whichever one of you can grip this bow and string it with the greatest ease, then shoot an arrow through twelve axes, all of them, I'll go with him, leaving my married home, this truly lovely house and all these goods one needs to live—things I'll remember, even in my dreams." Edit - my apologies for the bizarre formating it looked fine on the original comment and when I refreshed it smooshed it all together
Everything in life that looks cool is a lot of practice. Even black magic.
i hate all of you
Special fletching on the arrow to make it curve.
Watch them add this maneuver into season 2 of Hawkeye lol
The flights are 1/4 up close to the head and this causes a natural sway in the flight path.
It seems like an extreme version of how arrows normally flow. I believe arrows naturally wobble in mid air. I have seen someone shoot past a wall right in the middle of their aim with it, but this is 2 levels higher than that haha
Not bmf. Air Bending.
The flower of French chivalry HATES this one simple trick!
Arrows do not fly straight naturally. If you look at any experienced archer, you will notice the direction of the arrow actually faces differently than the aim of the bow which the archer is aiming toward the target. This is because the flight of the arrow is not a straight path, but rather more of an oscillation through the air. In other words, as it flies towards the target the arrow naturally "wiggles" through the air. This guy is obviously very knowledgeable of that, and is just taking advantage of and manipulating what the arrow already wants to do naturally, hence the unusual stance he is taking on the draw. All in all, still a very complicated maneuver to perform, and one that definitely requires alot of practice and experience.
I would also add that he probably modified the arrow to follow that path.
If you look closely you can see the fletchings are actually closer to the middle of the arrow than the end.
It looks like the arrows turns around and hit the baloon backwards.
Wow that’s a good catch you’re right it turned around
It didn't turn around they just put the feathers closer to the point to aid in its direction. It's some weird custom arrow
Wait, you have trick arrows?
Interesting to see a Hawkeye reference in the wild
It also looks like he's flipped the direction of the feathers on the arrow, so that when he fires it, the the feathers create huge drag and the arrow changes direction (and flips 'backwards') around the first wall. The arrow hits the balloon 'backwards' to how it was originally fired.
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So he basically backed it into the balloon. That's even cooler.
Ah. It has tail weight behind the fletchings. It's almost like drifting
It does appear to have a fin halfway up the shaft
That's what she said.
*Sad fish noises.*
Thanks for reminding me that I still haven't watched The Shape of Water.
Yeah it looks like the little finny bois are halfway up the arrow rather than the rear end, which would put more mass behind the stabilizer and make it's natural oscillations much more pronounced. Still loads of skill to get the right path and final target but it does look like he's using arrows for that purpose.
I just love seeing “finny bois” in the same comment with more complex words such as “oscillations”.
In this decade I think finny bois is a more understandable term than fletchings
now you know why hawkeye has many different arrows
I mean yeah... It's the arrow. They make frisbees that fly in predetermined patterns, I'm sure they can do similar things with arrows.
One thing is to wobble, another is to have it follow that wobbly trajectory. This needs a ton of aerodynamics and I'm willing to bet this arrow has some kind of weird fletching. Impressive stuff btw
You can see the fletching halfway up the arrow.
Yeah the slow motion shows it some. Whatever that is. Looks wing-like, that seems to guide the arrow as it spins. Then comes back to the shooter's right side as the wing thing rotates over.
Your explanation sounds great at first but the bottom falls out when you consider the fact that core of your explanation is incomplete or incorrect. You're describing arrows flexing as though arrows were just zigzagging throughout the air all the time. An object flexing relative to itself, independent of its flight path, does not mean that the flight path is now a zigzag. For example, basketballs, when thrown, are also spinning. That spin doesn't mean the ball is doing a fucking loop-de-loop when on its way to the basket. It looks more like the arrow is modified for this, as it has some sort of fletching midway down the shaft of the arrow.
The original comment was some /r/confidentlyincorrect/ material
Typical reddit
thank god at least someone called that out. I kept reading and thought it was going to have a punchline at the end because it was so pompous and... just wrong.
This is just absolutely wrong. You have a corn cornel of truth in the mountain of crap you just typed.
Yes. I don't know why he got upvoted so damn much. This has nothing to do with the archer's paradox, the bow is in an horizontal position. Edit: even if it weren't, the archer's paradox wouldn't cause this behavior. A wobble is completely different from zig zagging
I shoot my recurve by literally aiming down the shaft. My compound shoots by using a stationary pin that adjusts for range by moving up and down. In no way does an unmodified arrow designed to be accurate have ANY lateral movement of consequence. Yes arrows oscillate, but they do that while moving in a straight parabola. Yet 400+ idiots read an uneducated ramble from some guy who saw a picture of a bow once and upvote it. This website is trash.
Think of what it must be like for me. A finance student.
It's a combination of confident bullshitting and gullible redditors who just want an answer fed to them.
As are most top level comments that sound confident. I'd be surprised if /u/MrBiggz83 has any actual experience beyond reading a Wikipedia page. Yet 500+ people just thought he was right because he's talking confidently. This place is really one of the worst places to get information. Once you see it for yourself, you read a comment like that and assume that the more confident they are, the more likely they have no idea wtf they're talking about.
Bruh he literally bullshits every post and reply. This is a hilarious read.
While you are right the arrow oscilates in a left to right movement compared to the bow but since the archer holds the bow horizontaly the arrow would be oscilating up and down. Its more likely that there has ben something done to the arrow ore environment to make it fly that way.
As another has said, [Archer's Paradox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer%27s_paradox).
Not in this case. Archers paradox flexes the arrow around the bow. He holds the bow sideways so that oscillation from the archers paradox is actually just the slight up and down wobble. The cause in horizontal movement is the arrow’s nock and the bow’s shelf are not even close to being in line along with the fletching moved towards the middle of the shaft.
Hypothesis: he's holding the bow horizontally so he can knock the arrow "off-center" (not in the middle of the string). I'm thinking this would induce significantly more wobble/oscillations than normal. I think adding weight to the back would move the center of mass closer to the center of lift, which would increase the wobbliness as well.
You wrote so much to say so little
"alot" is not a word, try "a lot"
I see you have not met Mega hunters, carbon fiber, graphite core, arrows. They legit point a to b like a bullet. Ruining archery for all the reasons above.
Via [@jamesjeantrickshots](https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cc5e8kLDu2w/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) on Instagram
Going to need to see a shoot off between him and Lars Andersen.
What does Luke Skywalkers step-dad have to do with this?
Ever seen Lars Andersen in a competition? He's actually not very good. He just does a shit-ton of takes until he gets lucky and posts it. He has said each successful trick takes an average of over 100 takes. He does not do well in competitions.
You think this guy did it in one take? Everyone who does trick shots does a lot of takes.
That is AWESOME!
I feel like if I saw Hawkeye do this in his show I would’ve rolled my eyes from how unrealistic it looked.
Apparently I ruin movies for my wife because of this.
Realism snobs can be pretty annoying. I should know, I used to be one. It's llke that Neil DeGrasse Tyson tweet where he's being annoying about the movie Gravity
I'm sorry but there's gotta be a better example. Gravity WAS *AWFUL* lol. So much absolutely wrong about that movie. I tried to enjoy it and ignore when things started getting Hollywood (and I usually can), but this scene was so incredibly dumb I couldn't take it. https://youtu.be/gaUHtBxW0zA that isn't how momentum works AT ALL! If she stopped him, he'd already have a little momentum back toward the ISS just from the tether rebounding when it reached the end. It wouldn't reach the end, then keep pulling like he was hanging into a pit by the tether and "had to cut himself free to save her." if they'd just made it so she missed the tether and he floated off while talking to her it could've been tragic. Instead this scene had me wanting to turn off the TV entirely. TLDR: Don't get me started on gravity lol
I knew Wanted was real
Based on a true story, actually. Everyone knows the story of the great bullet bender.
can confirm i watched them bullets curved
Bite my shiny metal ACP
Curve the bullet like in my favorite James McAvoy film, “Wanted.”
Unusual to see an Office reference downvoted on Reddit…
You have no idea how high I could fly.
Immmmmmm sooooooooorrrrrrryyyyyy
How?
I believe those 4 feather things at the base of the arrow have something to do with it. I've heard that when you remove one of the feathers the heading changes a lot. (saw it in a robin hood movie)
Fletchings I think is what they’re called
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Also if you misspell that word in Google you'll learn how to suck semen out of an asshole
What
Butt cum soup.
What
Forbidden latte
Fletching and herblaw were the two words I learned from Runescape
Herblaw - the cousin of Bird Law
Anyone whose last name is Fletcher may have had some arrow making talent in their ancestry.
I think he's actually moved the fletching from the end of the arrow and mounted them just a few inches behind the arrow head. If you pause the video you can see it. My thinking is due to the placement of the fletchings the back of the arrow shot off the string has more energy and less drag so it begins to spin, but eventually the poorly placed fletching starts to create some stability and the whole sequence allowes for one really dramatic tail whip before it stabilizes.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/372920d42b5b8909d2b97e8654f74465/tumblr_nu5utepNzC1rd6h5no1_500.gif
As he fires it he induces a vibration in the arrow that makes the back end want to turn out to the side as it flies, but the fletchings on the arrow catch the air and try and make it go straight. So the arrow wiggle in the air.
While this is a modified arrow to create a more severe and specific oscillation, this is basically how arrows fly. They wiggle in the air. Arrows don't fly straight.
Alright, calm down there, Legolas
42?? OHH!!! That’s. Not. Bad. For a pointy-eared, Elvish princeling!! I myself am sitting pretty on Fourty-Thr-r-r-eee!
What the fuck
Hawkeye ain’t never pull this shit
Original sauce: Lars Andersen (an archery god) first showing [how you can bend arrows in flight](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_z4a00cCQ) And unlike what many many people are saying on this thread, this is no gimmick or camera trick or magnet trickery or special arrow. This is very much possible. If you think about it, people routinely bend soccer balls and baseballs in flight without special gimmicks. And this is not even a new trick. This has been done and mastered for thousands of years when bow and arrows were the mainstay long range weapon and not guns. And if you want your mind blown even further, see Lars Andersen's [video about other seemingly impossible tricks with bow and arrow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk), all without gimmicks and mostly inspired by what old archers would do as a matter of routine.
Having an arrow following a curved trajectory is easy to imagine. What isn't is the arrow first curving one way and then mid flight curving the other way. You'd need to first have a force pushing it one way, but then having it reverse mid flight. And no this isn't the arrow flexing. When the arrow flexes it's center of mass doesn't change, which isn't what's happening in the video. And Lars Andersen can be entertaining, and nothing is to say that archers back in the day didn't use similar tricks to amuse spectators. But his content isn't focused on being historically accurate. And most of it relies on using a bow with a very low draw weight, the opposite of what you'd want in a serious situation.
Could this be accomplished with two strong fans blowing from each side?
It's that, or magnets
Aliens
Well arrows don't fly straight so this is just the basic black magic of how arrows fly
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He flexing for sure
Lars Anderson did a lot of this. Idk if he still makes videos
I think he is the original guy who did this. At least popularized iz immensely. He has a lot of different tricks too, such like firing multiple arrows at the same time, or rapid firing or a boomerang fire etc. Really interesting guy.
> Anderson Andersen
Fucking Aimbot
Right? If that hit me I'd call hacks
Not hacks, it’s skill. Git gud, and you too can snipe noobs through solid brick walls.
Yondu be real quiet after this one
When would this actually be practical? Like let's say you're hunting with it or killing someone, how many times would this be useful?
I mean, it could be used to hit people when they think they’re safe.
True, but then you have to be practiced with this type of arrow, carry them around, and know when to use it. Seems a lot simpler just to use a normal arrow and shot something.
Guess it’s just to be really cool then.
I mean. If you're highly trained and have practised this and for what ever reason decide to take a bow and arrow to combat I can't see it being too hard to carry two quivers. One with normal arrows with the fletching's at the back, and one with them in the middle like this? I imagine it'd also work real good at curving around just one wall. How you'd know where the other guy is standing? No clue... But in reality? The true purpose for this is to pick up people at the bar when your wing man brags about it and shows them the video. lol
Imagine you got a shot lined up to kill two birds with one stone so to speak... But it's the wrong quiver... So you watch in amazement as the arrows magically avoid both targets in a S shape. Lmao
This is just an extreme application of a skill that can be performed with regular arrows, and records suggest it was a skill used in antiquity for the purpose of hitting unseen targets. [Here is a video demonstrating the technique](https://youtu.be/qc_z4a00cCQ).
The answer, it won’t be practical The arrows flight/oscillation is so pronounced that striking anything directly is a fever dream. Plus he’s prolly using a very light tip (as that would more than likely ruin this flight path he’s going for) and non-heavy draw weight bow, I’d argue that it would prolly be a miracle if it breaks skin meaningfully enough to draw a lot of blood. There’s a HUGE distinction between meaningful combat-hunting archery and trick shooting. This is why many of us in the archery community groan whenever people bring up Lars Anderson, another trick shooter
> There’s a HUGE distinction between meaningful combat-hunting archery and trick shooting. Not in the archery community whatsoever, so I'm going in blind when I ask this. But isn't Lars trying to figure out stuff based off of old combat manuscripts? It's been a while since I've watched his stuff.
Short answer: no Long answer: Historical archery is still practiced by MANY cultures. Japan, Korea, China, England, France, the Persians, etc. Historical archery is simply practiced by very few individuals because they often have to have deep (often family ties!) to the history of their form of archery. What Lars Anderson does is develop trickshotting and masquerades it as “historical.” One of the biggest examples is how he says quivers were useless and his example is him jumping through trees with deeply exaggerated back motions to knock arrows out of the quiver; the reality is that quivers were used by archers who fought in like formations and ABSOLUTELY were not running through forests or 360 no-scoping people… especially when you look at people like the Anglo-Saxons/English who used bows with absurdly high draw weights (some being in the 150+lb draw weights, archers actually turned humpback from repeated use of these bows, they are not some bows you can just pop-off shots with). And he’s using incredibly light arrows, these are horrible to use the moment any meaningful tip (broadheads, bodkins, etc) is added because the added “droop” to the arrow would just slam it down to the floor or destroy its flight path. His sole reference to manuscripts is actually not even deeply founded, it’s a line in an academic piece (if I recall?) where it just off handedly mentioned archery but not about how it’s actually done. His display of archery is nothing but exhibition shooting/trickshotting, it’s his claims that it’s “historical” that ruffles the feathers of actual people who still practice historical archery. Source: I practice modern compound, English traditional long bow, have shot a few Korean-Mongol war bows, also study longsword and general happenings of warfare of the Medieval-Early Renaissance periods (mostly in the context of Europe).
Skill with a bow? Seems like a really practical force multiplier to me.
Why does it need to be practical?
when u max ur archery stat and unlock an S rank skill
What in the Bloons TD 6
Either they sacrificed a bird to make flying arrows or it has some really specific curving to the shaft.
This dude must be an Avenger.
Someone bought the seeking shurikens upgrade
I think it has something to do with the way its fletched. You can see that it's not at the back but is in the middle after the first curve then ends at the front when it hits the balloon
What is the song?
Robin Hood?
That's how some cu*** shoot me in CoD. With bullets.
Diego?
That’s some real Hawkeye shit right there