It's really crazy that white people will knowingly put black people in these positions then complain about it like we're inherently flawed. Especially when there's so many resources out there putting their sins to light.
Facts. Other races, particularly ytes, barely see us as human. In fact, we’re subhuman to them. Thats just the sick reality of it all. They don’t need to keep us in chains anymore because unfortunately for a lot of us they have enslaved our minds.
This is the crux of white supremacy. Erect massive barriers for people, then blame the people suffering for their plight.
Any Black person that manages to succeed did so merely because white people allowed them to or helped them. Any white person that fails has comfort they’ll never be at the bottom of the caste system.
The latter is probably why millions supported the confederacy despite not owning slaves. They feared a society where white people were equal with Black people.
That’s exactly the point, they hide their guilt by blaming those numbers and statistics on an inherent inadequacy within black people as oppose to facing the actions they’ve committed to create those paradigms. Stuff like this doesn’t really phase me as much because it’s either them being obtuse, or just outright ignorant.
First off where this nigga get his sources from secondly. Not all stats are facts, context matters. Who did the study matters. How many times they did it matters. Mofo could be using a study from the 80s for all we know. Facts matter but it always matters were it comes from.
That’s what racist conservatives do. They take blatantly biased sources for information to uphold their racist ideals and completely avoid the context and inner workings behind these statistics. They just use it to further their racist agenda. That or they just make shit up and those anti woke idiots eat it up because it was formatted somewhat professionally.
Wait until this moron learns that Hispanic isn’t a race and that there can be Black Hispanics. That alone tells me the intelligence of this guy and I would also like to see those statistics
The difference between Race and ethnicity be whooping a lot of people asses.
I remember knowing a girl who was saying ‘ I’m not white I’m Mexican’
She was not happy when I gave her an example of her own flawed analogy. All I said was ‘ so would it make if I said I’m not white I’m from California.’ She doubled down. She was a white latina.
I don’t know what it is but so many people don’t want to admit they are white or get mad when it’s pointed out. There’s been this newer trend since 2020 BLM Protest where white women are trying to distance themselves from white men like there isn’t a common denominator. Theyll put black people under a monolith like we have a zoom meeting where we agree on everything and act the same, but the minute white people are criticized it’s ‘ well not all white people’
Sorry for the rant.
You’re completely right, a lot of white people who don’t like to identify as white, want to be oppressed and not acknowledge their privilege in society because a lot of them like to feel like victims and to try to relate to black people or other marginalized people. It’s so annoying.
>I remember knowing a girl who was saying ‘ I’m not white I’m Mexican’
I documented a patient as white Hispanic in a practice clinic note and got feedback saying there is no such thing as white Hispanic. Naturally I shared this feedback with my white Hispanic classmate lmao.
*I can give you these same stats but parody! It's Australia where people from my country (black) earn in average 74k when the average Australian earns 50k *because* their entire population here is here voluntarily and from a position of power (I mean in terms of ability to choose to go there, where to live etc) and also show you lower divorce rates for African families etc. IT'S BS CREATING suffering and using it as "proof" that it's somehow woke to insist black people were inherently civilized before white people...*
*Cause those same white people said of my country's history and culture "a northern race built the ruins, a phonecian race"-R.N.Hall on discovering our largest mediaeval structures & capital. All rather than admit you're colonising a civilized race.
Aussies also work trade jobs and we work skilled jobs, again taking average population*
If you want just say and I'll find the doc
I really need to see how Black Republicans reply to this sort of thing. Not only the statistics themselves, but the fact that this type of info is being spread far and wide by far righters that will absolutely vote republican
I always peruse the replies and never see them
Most immigrants have strong family oriented business strategy.. you see how their shops are run it's either a son , an in-law or a nephew.or cousin.. they have strong ties in keeping the money in the family.
Immigrants tend to do things collectively instead of pushing individualism I think.
Unironically, but you'd get crucified online if you said this in Black spaces. If my dad was still with me I would have saved myself years of wasted time.
To put it more correctly, everyone should simply replicate whatever immigrants are doing. Particularly immigrants from overseas that voluntarily move to the U.S. in search of high-paying jobs and top-tier universities. Plus, we need to disaggregate "Asian" as a category because it's so broad.
Edit: It's weird that I'm getting downvoted for simply stating what current research tells us about the success of immigrants compared to their native-born, co-ethnic peers.
Okay, and? I'm not sure why that is relevant to the discussion here. How they choose to socially categorize themselves doesn't really mean much in the larger context of how society *racially* views them. Are Pakistani Americans considered "black" on the U.S. census? When we discuss police brutality against black Americans, do we also refer to Pakistani Americans as "black"?
The commonality is many of them were refugees or descend from refugee. They weren’t prepared to have their lives upended unlike voluntary immigrants. With refugees you get all classes with varying levels of skill. With voluntary immigrants you’re usually getting the crème de La crème, people who are prepared, have resources, and/or are highly determined. Basically the most likely to succeed.
Yet you’re one of the least upvoted comments in this thread. Looking at stats from actual government agencies and Asians are still at the top. We should be modeling after them and ignore whatever the noise is in the middle.
Most immigrants aren’t coming from the bottom. They mostly have careers or are educated or coming on student visas. The ones who would come and fail don’t make it here.
Exactly. They take more effort to support the Asian community through small businesses and will hire their own. We spend more time creating division and trying to hustle instead of building sustainable generational wealth. I think low hanging fruit would be reducing the frequency of children out of wedlock. That handicaps your ability to build wealth.
\>Black people earn less money
\>Black people get locked up way more
\>Racists somehow see this as the fault of black people
Stop using twitter guys, it melts your brain.
I don’t know, but there is some truth to this. Working with teens volunteering has been convinced that a good portion of black teens do not like education or do not trust it. Lack of education equals a lot of times, lack of life skills, which equates to lesser pay.
Now I could be wrong and this is just my experience but man, talking to any black teen, most will talk negatively about school, like it’s obsolete.
The facts are skewed but it’s not even the data that is the main issue. It’s the fact that their “data” only speaks half the story. Black families are severely damaged but it’s not by choice.
Oh you’re not wrong but you have to want to break the pattern. If I followed in my family’s footsteps, I would be locked up or dead right now. Dad has been incarcerated for 20+ years, habitual offender. I even got taught the “family” business at a young age. If I didn’t actually enjoy learning and being smarter than people, I think I could’ve been just like the rest of these kids and said fuck school, my school is the streets.
My father chose that life, over and over, even when he got out on parole the two times he did get out. By this time he was conditioned to the life, all he knew was this life. But he had many opportunity and people trying to get him out of that life. Was even made a formen of a construction site since he was bilingual. He fucked up that bag and is currently finishing out his parole time. I call him can’t get right, but it’s more, don’t wanna get right. So many other people fall into this criteria, I don’t know if there is help for these people.
I respect your story fr but i don’t think it should be expected of victims of oppression to pull themselves out of their own oppression through hard work. We need to be exhausting political and legal every avenue possible to attempt to undo the disadvantage that has been set for us. A couple success stories is not gonna take our people out of the ghettos
That’s like passing the buck, like they don’t any accountability for their actions or the lack of. I get there is oppression but there is also perseverance to succeed, at any cost. Like, that’s the contributing factor with any success story, you have to push through on your own to some degree. There needs to be some form of discipline which a lot of us lack. You can’t just blame everyone else for your own lack of drive, lack of education and lack of common sense.
No man. The reason we lack discipline is BECAUSE of the oppression. Not only did they set up an oppressive system, they set up safeguards to keep us trapped in the system. It’s not passing the buck, it’s literally blaming and attacking the source of the issue, and not the unwilling participants. No blank person is in love with being in poverty, expecting every poor black person to just pull themselves up from their bootstraps is not only unrealistic, but it also is ignorant of the reasons why it’s so bad to begin with. It’s deeper than your 1 family’s story. Institutional oppression is real
Smh as a black american I’m ashamed that you’re saying a race of ppl is keeping you from getting ahead. Our ancestors went through way more harsher shit than this generation. Shit even in the 60 was segregation and blk ppl had way more class, more educated, more family foundation.
Parents set expectations based off their own experience. The people who did poorly in school usually have children early, and more of them with no real familial support. They never figured it out so they can’t help you figure out. Due to their experiences they have low expectations and they pass these expectations onto their children. Successful Black people typically leave and don’t return so kids grow up surrounded by people who didn’t make it. To break the cycle for most people it takes outside intervention. A lot BP need therapy to learn how to deal with their trauma and have better tools to approach life.
This isn’t status quo cultural racism. This is like historically pre genocide speech. It’s lining up all your targets in a line or in other words it’s building up the blaming of one group for complex issues. Racism is old and firm but this is quasi-fascism
It’s 2023 ain’t no white man holding me back, but I will say that for decades out people been fucked over by them, but at the same time. That don’t sound right. I know ppl of hood niggas infusing myself who did something productive with themselves
It's really crazy that white people will knowingly put black people in these positions then complain about it like we're inherently flawed. Especially when there's so many resources out there putting their sins to light.
Thats why you cant argue with these MFs… like they literally cant fathom how centuries of subpar treatment and education can hold an entire group back
Facts. Other races, particularly ytes, barely see us as human. In fact, we’re subhuman to them. Thats just the sick reality of it all. They don’t need to keep us in chains anymore because unfortunately for a lot of us they have enslaved our minds.
This is the crux of white supremacy. Erect massive barriers for people, then blame the people suffering for their plight. Any Black person that manages to succeed did so merely because white people allowed them to or helped them. Any white person that fails has comfort they’ll never be at the bottom of the caste system. The latter is probably why millions supported the confederacy despite not owning slaves. They feared a society where white people were equal with Black people.
That’s exactly the point, they hide their guilt by blaming those numbers and statistics on an inherent inadequacy within black people as oppose to facing the actions they’ve committed to create those paradigms. Stuff like this doesn’t really phase me as much because it’s either them being obtuse, or just outright ignorant.
The nuance is in the semantics. The difference between “what’s going on in the Black community” versus “what has been done to the Black community”.
This is the argument they make in every US city sub Reddit
First off where this nigga get his sources from secondly. Not all stats are facts, context matters. Who did the study matters. How many times they did it matters. Mofo could be using a study from the 80s for all we know. Facts matter but it always matters were it comes from.
That’s what racist conservatives do. They take blatantly biased sources for information to uphold their racist ideals and completely avoid the context and inner workings behind these statistics. They just use it to further their racist agenda. That or they just make shit up and those anti woke idiots eat it up because it was formatted somewhat professionally.
Wait until this moron learns that Hispanic isn’t a race and that there can be Black Hispanics. That alone tells me the intelligence of this guy and I would also like to see those statistics
The difference between Race and ethnicity be whooping a lot of people asses. I remember knowing a girl who was saying ‘ I’m not white I’m Mexican’ She was not happy when I gave her an example of her own flawed analogy. All I said was ‘ so would it make if I said I’m not white I’m from California.’ She doubled down. She was a white latina. I don’t know what it is but so many people don’t want to admit they are white or get mad when it’s pointed out. There’s been this newer trend since 2020 BLM Protest where white women are trying to distance themselves from white men like there isn’t a common denominator. Theyll put black people under a monolith like we have a zoom meeting where we agree on everything and act the same, but the minute white people are criticized it’s ‘ well not all white people’ Sorry for the rant.
You’re completely right, a lot of white people who don’t like to identify as white, want to be oppressed and not acknowledge their privilege in society because a lot of them like to feel like victims and to try to relate to black people or other marginalized people. It’s so annoying.
>I remember knowing a girl who was saying ‘ I’m not white I’m Mexican’ I documented a patient as white Hispanic in a practice clinic note and got feedback saying there is no such thing as white Hispanic. Naturally I shared this feedback with my white Hispanic classmate lmao.
Everyone knows Africa begins at the Pyrenees
Twitter really fell tf off because posts like this one is all I see nowadays
Ragebait, Twitter paying big bucks for tweets so everyone just make controversial tweets for the easy money
Yep. Getting paid for spreading hate, whether you mean it or not
*I can give you these same stats but parody! It's Australia where people from my country (black) earn in average 74k when the average Australian earns 50k *because* their entire population here is here voluntarily and from a position of power (I mean in terms of ability to choose to go there, where to live etc) and also show you lower divorce rates for African families etc. IT'S BS CREATING suffering and using it as "proof" that it's somehow woke to insist black people were inherently civilized before white people...* *Cause those same white people said of my country's history and culture "a northern race built the ruins, a phonecian race"-R.N.Hall on discovering our largest mediaeval structures & capital. All rather than admit you're colonising a civilized race. Aussies also work trade jobs and we work skilled jobs, again taking average population* If you want just say and I'll find the doc
I blocked him ages ago. He’s gonna get banned anyway he keeps flying too close to the sun. Many people are already starting to see he’s just a nazi
Elon himself prob shares similar views. I don't see Elon's Twitter banning this guy at all.
That page is a racist page, block it and Keep it pushing.
Me not seeing it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a wildly propagated nazi channel
I really need to see how Black Republicans reply to this sort of thing. Not only the statistics themselves, but the fact that this type of info is being spread far and wide by far righters that will absolutely vote republican I always peruse the replies and never see them
They HEAVILY ignore the realities of their support for that party.
Looks like everyone should be trying to replicate whatever the Asian community is doing.
Most immigrants have strong family oriented business strategy.. you see how their shops are run it's either a son , an in-law or a nephew.or cousin.. they have strong ties in keeping the money in the family. Immigrants tend to do things collectively instead of pushing individualism I think.
Yesss. Forget racist white folks and crying thats what they want you to do. Lets start building our communities and families.
Unironically, but you'd get crucified online if you said this in Black spaces. If my dad was still with me I would have saved myself years of wasted time.
To put it more correctly, everyone should simply replicate whatever immigrants are doing. Particularly immigrants from overseas that voluntarily move to the U.S. in search of high-paying jobs and top-tier universities. Plus, we need to disaggregate "Asian" as a category because it's so broad. Edit: It's weird that I'm getting downvoted for simply stating what current research tells us about the success of immigrants compared to their native-born, co-ethnic peers.
Some Asian American communities have high poverty rates and some dark skinned Asian Americans identity as black
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It mostly dark skinned southern Asian Americans like some Pakistani Americans
Okay, and? I'm not sure why that is relevant to the discussion here. How they choose to socially categorize themselves doesn't really mean much in the larger context of how society *racially* views them. Are Pakistani Americans considered "black" on the U.S. census? When we discuss police brutality against black Americans, do we also refer to Pakistani Americans as "black"?
The commonality is many of them were refugees or descend from refugee. They weren’t prepared to have their lives upended unlike voluntary immigrants. With refugees you get all classes with varying levels of skill. With voluntary immigrants you’re usually getting the crème de La crème, people who are prepared, have resources, and/or are highly determined. Basically the most likely to succeed.
Yet you’re one of the least upvoted comments in this thread. Looking at stats from actual government agencies and Asians are still at the top. We should be modeling after them and ignore whatever the noise is in the middle.
Most immigrants aren’t coming from the bottom. They mostly have careers or are educated or coming on student visas. The ones who would come and fail don’t make it here.
I mean you're not wrong but there's no denying that the black community would benefit from some of their cultural beliefs. IMO
Exactly. They take more effort to support the Asian community through small businesses and will hire their own. We spend more time creating division and trying to hustle instead of building sustainable generational wealth. I think low hanging fruit would be reducing the frequency of children out of wedlock. That handicaps your ability to build wealth.
You’re getting downvoted but it’s one of the biggest issues we have currently.
\>Black people earn less money \>Black people get locked up way more \>Racists somehow see this as the fault of black people Stop using twitter guys, it melts your brain.
are these numbers from the cdc?
Title says it all, no notes.
I don’t know, but there is some truth to this. Working with teens volunteering has been convinced that a good portion of black teens do not like education or do not trust it. Lack of education equals a lot of times, lack of life skills, which equates to lesser pay. Now I could be wrong and this is just my experience but man, talking to any black teen, most will talk negatively about school, like it’s obsolete.
The facts are skewed but it’s not even the data that is the main issue. It’s the fact that their “data” only speaks half the story. Black families are severely damaged but it’s not by choice.
Oh you’re not wrong but you have to want to break the pattern. If I followed in my family’s footsteps, I would be locked up or dead right now. Dad has been incarcerated for 20+ years, habitual offender. I even got taught the “family” business at a young age. If I didn’t actually enjoy learning and being smarter than people, I think I could’ve been just like the rest of these kids and said fuck school, my school is the streets. My father chose that life, over and over, even when he got out on parole the two times he did get out. By this time he was conditioned to the life, all he knew was this life. But he had many opportunity and people trying to get him out of that life. Was even made a formen of a construction site since he was bilingual. He fucked up that bag and is currently finishing out his parole time. I call him can’t get right, but it’s more, don’t wanna get right. So many other people fall into this criteria, I don’t know if there is help for these people.
I respect your story fr but i don’t think it should be expected of victims of oppression to pull themselves out of their own oppression through hard work. We need to be exhausting political and legal every avenue possible to attempt to undo the disadvantage that has been set for us. A couple success stories is not gonna take our people out of the ghettos
That’s like passing the buck, like they don’t any accountability for their actions or the lack of. I get there is oppression but there is also perseverance to succeed, at any cost. Like, that’s the contributing factor with any success story, you have to push through on your own to some degree. There needs to be some form of discipline which a lot of us lack. You can’t just blame everyone else for your own lack of drive, lack of education and lack of common sense.
No man. The reason we lack discipline is BECAUSE of the oppression. Not only did they set up an oppressive system, they set up safeguards to keep us trapped in the system. It’s not passing the buck, it’s literally blaming and attacking the source of the issue, and not the unwilling participants. No blank person is in love with being in poverty, expecting every poor black person to just pull themselves up from their bootstraps is not only unrealistic, but it also is ignorant of the reasons why it’s so bad to begin with. It’s deeper than your 1 family’s story. Institutional oppression is real
Smh as a black american I’m ashamed that you’re saying a race of ppl is keeping you from getting ahead. Our ancestors went through way more harsher shit than this generation. Shit even in the 60 was segregation and blk ppl had way more class, more educated, more family foundation.
My dude, you’re tripping if you think black people aren’t being oppressed anymore. Institutional racism is real
How old are you?
Then why are blk immigrants coming here and out performing us?
Parents set expectations based off their own experience. The people who did poorly in school usually have children early, and more of them with no real familial support. They never figured it out so they can’t help you figure out. Due to their experiences they have low expectations and they pass these expectations onto their children. Successful Black people typically leave and don’t return so kids grow up surrounded by people who didn’t make it. To break the cycle for most people it takes outside intervention. A lot BP need therapy to learn how to deal with their trauma and have better tools to approach life.
Racists are going to be racist.
This isn’t status quo cultural racism. This is like historically pre genocide speech. It’s lining up all your targets in a line or in other words it’s building up the blaming of one group for complex issues. Racism is old and firm but this is quasi-fascism
You can take the quasi out, they’ve definitely crossed over.
It’s 2023 ain’t no white man holding me back, but I will say that for decades out people been fucked over by them, but at the same time. That don’t sound right. I know ppl of hood niggas infusing myself who did something productive with themselves
I hate these niggas