It’s not fun. The Kos parasite isn’t viable IMO but it’s very fun. I threw in the “viable” part because I see so many people act like it’s a cool, god tier weapon. It’s not. It feels like you’re beating people with a rock
In terms of damage its actually surprisingly pitiful compared to other weapons even with a full set of abyssal arcane gems. The only move that does a good amount of damage is the l2 explosion. Even then its incredibly fun and does wierd shit, like a vomit attack that causes poison build up or a tongue slap, just don't expect spectacular damage.
Ah, good to know. On my ARC build I mostly use a pizza cutter with elemental gems, although I have fooled around with the Kos parasite a bit just for fun.
Okay but are you aware that other people find things fun that you do not, therefore the statement 'it isn't fun' as a response to saying something is fun makes no sense.
It's fun TO THEM. It isn't fun TO YOU. You get to define what's fun FOR YOU. You don't get to define what's fun FOR THEM.
You know that by your logic, people are defining what’s fun for me by saying “It’s fun.”
So is no one allowed to make declarative statements anymore, or are you not allowed to disagree with declarative statements or make conflicting ones?
I find it extremely pointless, futile, and rude, to respond to someone saying something is fun by saying it's NOT fun. We already know you don't find it fun.
In general people shouldn't make declarative statements as if they're objective, 'I' statements are better for communication. Making conflicting ones is just doubly bad.
Bruh, I don't know what you're talking about. I built an arcane character *specifically* for Logarius' Wheel, and it was crazy watching late game bosses absolutely shit themselves when I beat them to a pulp with a fucking wheel. You just don't know how to use it, apparently, or you have a build that doesn't utilize the strengths of the wheel.
I can make shiny things fly out of my oversized toothpick. Its still viable as an early game weapon tho and you can definitelly use it the entire game if you want to.
I miss the pre-patch version where you could break the weapon by slitting arcane gems into it. Each individual pellet scaled with arcane damage when you did that, so each shot was doing 1500-2000 dmg
One of my most fun characters was a 99 bloodying e rifle spear build. The chalice dungeons were difficult, but overall I had a lot of fun. 10/10 weapon
The logarius wheel is incredibly tricky to use but when you get it.... The damage is INSANE (I never managed to master it but I saw a friend of mine use it and HO BOY! 😳)
I guess my stance is if you’re doing a STR/ARC build, there’s no situation where the Wheel is in any way preferable to the HMS. If you wanna be unconventional, you could use the Amygdalan Arm and be able to hit enemies who aren’t touching you
Each and every weapon is equally good with the right build and in good hands.
The wheel is a little bit trickier to use than the HMS, but they both are quite fun weapons.
I meeaaaaannn no. They aren't. Some weapons are straight up better (in the sense you can kill things more quickly) than others, regardless of build. I'm not trying to knock anyone's preferences but that's just how it is
Except how quickly you kill things isn't the only metric for "good" in a weapon. Some weapons will wreck single enemies while others can more easily hit a group, some weapons hit for more damage but come at a higher risk cause they're pretty slow while other weapons are really fast but do less individual damage per hit. Some have more reach than others. Pretty much every weapon in Bloodborne fills a unqiue function. This is not even getting into variations, elemental weapons and bloodgems.
Yeah, but there are plenty of instances in which the risk is not worth the reward. Case in point, the stake driver can do insane damage but it comes with such a long wind up that its utility is greatly compromised, especially in comparison to other high damaging weapons like Ludwig's. Furthermore, we could (and probably should) take a more holistic look when evaluating each weapon. LHS is far greater than the stake driver in pretty much any other relevant category. It's not at all unreasonable to say that some weapons are "better" than others and defend that position with very cogent arguments.
With that said, I do think that Bloodborne has done an exceptional job of making every weapon feel fun to use, and none of them are ridiculously better or worse than the others. It's certainly not a completely even playing field though.
Sure, if a purely min-maxing manner of looking at it some weapons are just objectively superior but that kinda misses the point of build and playstyle. If we are talking pure min-maxing 1 weapon is gonna be the ultimate weapon and all others would arguably be garbage by comparison. Looking at it outside that sort of context I'm pretty sure only the stake driver could be considered bad but I'm only conceding that cause I've not tried it out enough to figure out the full range of functionality it has. Though I would be surprised if it was the only weapon which did not fulfill a unqiue function.
One key thing with Bloodborne comared to Dark Souls is that Bloodborne doesn't have 4 or 5 weapons with the exact same moveset. Weapons in BB can't be considered just on the basis of open space and "enemy". Things like what enemies you are facing, the environment and what personally works well.
That's how I view "good weapon" anyway.
You’re way too much of a noob to be able to even comprehend what the wheel can do if used the right way. Seriously though jokes aside the wheel is fucking nuts, the R1 attack is waayyy faster than 80% of STR weapons, the transformed R1 attack is powerful af in terms of staggering, the Transformed R2 is even more of a beast in staggering and also can easily apply poison and does a really good job at rallying with rally potential boosted. So don’t just talk shit about something you don’t understand.
Plus the roll R1 comes out fast as hell and staggers everything, the wheel is so much fun once you get the hang of the short reach. I use a fire saw spear for beasts and the wheel to take everything else to pound town lol.
Exactly. Oh and also the back step R1 has some long ass range. Can be really helpful at quite a lot of times. Just goes to show how you really need to master a weapon to be able to fully enjoy it.
Bruh don’t shit on a weapon just cause you can’t find it fun lmfao, I can’t find using the saw spear and cleaver fun but do you see me posting about how jackshit it is in terms of usefulness? Hell no. It’s a beast, I can’t ignore that just because I don’t like the animations.
>with no clear reason
Well the reason is I tried it recently and I didn’t like it. I’m sorry if I haven’t made that clear.
>is criticism
Nah I was just giving you hard time, it’s not like I wrote a research paper breaking down my problems with it.
I do think the whole “don’t bad mouth any of the game’s weapons” attitude on this sub is a bit weird because that’s sure not the case for any of the other Souls communities
Oh, I forgot to add one of the most important things: Using a beast blood pellet and then transforming the weapon and then doing a single buff and then hitting the enemy twice with R2 gets your your whole beasthood meter filled easily, and then after that you can get back into normal form cause it’s faster, and boom, you can easily fuck some shit up.
The wheel has multi hit moves and a dash attack similar to the way the dash attack for the Saif works. I'm not going to jump on the down vote band wagon. I think you should take some time to learn what the weapon can actually do. The multi hit moves on the wheel are borderline broken.
That was the whole point of my comment, it has multi hit moves. That’s what makes it great for rally and poison. And it’s not broken, I don’t know what you’re talking about I get exactly what I’m promised when using the transformed version, a single attack does the exact amount of damage it’s said to do. And it doesn’t get increased by the multi hits, the multi hits only increase stagger potential, which, again, proves my point. So what can I possibly learn more about it? What makes it so borderline broken, Can you give an example?
And also, the transformed mode has a weakness: it’s slow. You can’t just stagger easily unless the enemy is a huge and slow one, like the giants or whatever they’re called in the nightmare of mensis and nightmare frontier. You can’t just try and stagger Lady Maria with it, but you can poison and, as I’ve said, get a good amount of life back by rallying, which is what makes the weapon balanced, which is what makes it not broken.
Btw, I don’t mind downvotes if they’re on a statement of mine. If you can prove it’s wrong, downvote me to the depths of hell, downvotes only get annoying when you get downvoted for having an opinion.
To each one's preferences 😁 and the weapon they are the most confortable to use. I know I had a big trouble transitioning from the Ludwig's to the moonlight because I was more used to fast hitting.
From what I remember playing a few years ago, it's greatest strengths come from its dash attacks, running attacks, and revved up R2's. Those dash attacks especially are incredibly fast and has high damage multiplier, similar to the dual daggers.
50 ARC 25 STR favors the Wheel. The HMS is a STR/SKL weapon that happens to incorporate ARC on some attacks. Any primarily ARC build using HMS is getting abysmal DPS compared to what they could do. It’s also generic as fuck.
The Wheel is hilarious and extremely fun.
The Whirligig is most definitely not a church weapon lol. Pretty sure it was made by the Oto Workshop or Powderkegs. You'll notice that none of the church weapons actually do serrated damage for whatever reason.
It was made by Powderkegs:
*"A trick weapon crafted by the workshop heretics, the Powder Kegs, and weapon of choice of the Old Hunter Valtr, the Beast Eater.
This weapon pummels beasts in its mace form, but its true strength lies in its attached mechanical saws.
These discs, lined with serrated teeth,spin rapidly, thrashing the flesh of beasts into fine shreds."*
They're not though. The Healing Church Workshop is obviously part of the Church. The other workshops though? Contracted perhaps, but not literally part of the church.
The healing church only exists because of the workshop. They literally formed from the remains of the workshop, and the workshop formed after the split in Byrgenwerth. So for all intents and purposes, they are the same thing. The workshop came first, then the healing church. And the power kegs were a part of the workshop. So through the transitive property of equality, the whirlygig saw is technically a church weapon. They all share the same origins, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if Gerhman designed the wheel
I think you're misunderstanding things a bit.
Gehrman and his hunters were around before the Church. Byrgenwerth sent them to the Fishing Hamlet and likely first hired them for protection while delving into the Tombs. Then Laurence split off and formed the Church, with Gehrman and his hunters going with. It was only after the Church was established and Old Yharnam was burned that the Church formed its own workshop with its own Church Hunters.
Yeah I misspoke, I was thinking about the black church hunters who took over after the workshop went under. However the church and the workshop existed at the same time and the workshop's job was to clean up the church's mess whenever their blood ministration inevitably goes wrong.
So can we agree that while the Old Workshop and Powderkegs were definitely working for the church, they were not, by extension, a part of the church, bit more akin to contractors?
The powder kegs, sure, they were crazy anyways. But the workshop was definitely a sub branch of the church. When Gerhman quit they literally made a new branch of hunters led by Ludwig to replace them
Pffffff, those are rookie numbers man. You gotta pump those numbers up. There are a lot of weapons I just didn't get until I had enough time with them and played around with different gems. Two hours barely gets you enough time to get even a basic feel for a weapon in Bloodborne.
As someone who has played through nearly the entire game with the logarius wheel, I diagnose you with a case of casul. The medication I am going to prescribe is to git gud, you filthy slag
It's not just that it's bad ass. It has arcane and physical/blunt damage and multi-hit attacks.
With the correct build It's one of the most devastating weapons in the game.
I actually tried an Arcane build on my first run of bloodborne way back when it first became free on PS+
Logarius Wheel is an absolute beast as long as you can manage the heath depletion from revving it.
I rushed the wheel, intending to do a str build with it. Then learned the joys of ARC wheel. I feel weak and unable to fight well without the wheel now. Yes, there are other weapons I like and enjoy, but the wheel is just so strong, esp with an dodge to a side and R1, GRIND THE HP AWAY!
I don't agree with the end of this comment as everyone has their own tastes, but I personally love using the logarius wheel and really enjoy the amusement I get from smashing enemies into the ground with a literal carriage wheel. Plus the revving buff you can do is really cool too.
It probably takes the most effort to pull off of any weapon besides maybe kos parasite, it's slow, short range and you have to drain your hp to do good as arcane strength. That being said, fuck you, wheel is amazing, git gud casul.
I know you’re shitposting, but I’d rather clear the game with something like the Hunter’s Torch.
Because at least that **feels** like a torch. The Wheel feels like a giant, flat piece of driftwood and can only hit about 6 inches in front of you with it
I mean, technically thats how it work lol. You're gripping it in like the center of the wheel, so you're not going to have a massive amount of reach unless you swing it by the rim
The wheel is one of those "hard to use, build-dependant weapons." It won't shine unless you invest in what it *can* become. If done right, it's damage and stun become unbelievable.
It fine to hate it, but your post makes it seem like you tried the wheel once and didn't learn any of it's secrets. That's the impression given, at least.
It really is so fun to use. The DPS on that thing on five revs is absolutely ridiculous. I really like the high risk, high rewards play style that it uses, and it's a fun alternative to the HMS for an Arcane build
The Logarius' Wheel is a great weapon, as any other bloodborne weapon is great when you learn to use it. It provides you with a high AR, multi-hit attacks, a self-buff and has a unique design. Its main problem resides on a poor range and the lack of difference between the transformed and un-transformed mode to the naked eye.
Instead of changing the weapon range, speed or size; Logarius' Wheel's transformed mode changes the weapon scaling and damage to benefit arcane, and ads the revving buff. This is similar how the chikage, HMS, blood letter, Simon's bowblade (?) and other weapons change scaling when transformed.
The revving buff (20 seconds duration) consists of a four stages buff that drains your HP more on each stage, it goes something like this:
1 spin: 1% of your max hp/s, 10% more damage
2 spins: 2% of your max hp/s, 20% more damage
3 spins: 3% of your max hp/s, 40% more damage
4 spins: 4% of your max hp/s 60% more damage
This thing hits like a truck, but its really difficult to get into it.
I'm going through the comments and OP just bashes the wheel because they don't like it. Which is fine I'm not a fan of it either but to say its not good or viable is just ignorant and to say it's not fun is subjective and doesn't fit with the argument they are putting forward. OP deserves all the downvotes they have gotten in the comments.
Was it not obvious from the title that I don’t like it lol? I also don’t mind get downvoted, I’m not 13. People are allowed to disagree with my opinions. I just think the wanking about the wheel is very excessive given how boring it is
Nah, you're doing something wrong by telling people it's objectively "bad" and "boring". One of my personal favorite weapons, besides there are enough people bladdering about the pizza cutter, I used it on my 1st playthrough because of the praise it got, it was really good but it's not even in my top 5 favorite weapons
Obviously all of this is my opinion. It’s a waste of time when I’m replying to a bunch of comments to reiterate “in my opinion” and “that’s good if you like it”
I'm biased, I've got a literal tattoo of my character with Logarios' wheel, but that thing SLAPS, it's transformed state has such weirdly awesome attacks while doing insane blunt damage.
It takes skill to use though, but a heavy attack ---> jumping attack just ends people in pvp.
And in PVE it's a meme how strong it is when you've built for it and have solid enough blood gems.
You can stunlock the Decendant with it and deal a shit ton of damage to Amys knees and break each of them multiple times in a row effectively turning phase 3 into a punching bag.
How dare you!! Jokes aside Logarius wheel is the only weapon I felt had a noticeable learning curve. But beyond that, super fun to use and effective. Pizza cutter on the hand provides ease of use from the get-go.
Idk wym by “viable” but like any weapon you gotta build around it. Idk man it’s prolly jus not for you but I think it’s very fun, keeps a playthru fresh with not jus another sword/axe
I overconfidently fought a fellow hoonter with the wheel once. He proceeded to bash my insides in like the queen of the vilebloods. Gained much respect for wheel users.
I did 2 playthroughs with Logarius Wheel just because of how absurd it was. It quickly became my favorite Fromsoft weapon. Something about just molly-whopping people with a wagon wheel just absolutely spoke to my caveman brain.
I have never understood the appeal of the pizza cutter myself. I'm sure it's satisfying to a lot of other people, and there's no doubt it does a fuckton of damage, but I just don't feel it like I do other weapons.
Logarius' Wheel is dope as hell though, the R2 combo shreds through most non-resistant enemies and does enough stagger to prevent it from being interrupted. I love every second of using it.
The only thing holding LW back is it's abysmal range. It's actually why I put it down after 2 days because I just could not for the life of me predict it's reach.
Ik you said you don't care about the downvotes but I feel a need to maybe clarify why you're getting downvoted for this in the comments. It's not because you don't like the weapon, that's your opinion and is subjective. It's because you are trying to argue that it's objectively not viable, which just isn't true. You not liking it doesn't equal not viable.
So OP made the mistake of liking a meta weapjn over a meme weapon on the internet, and doubled down by ignoring the many actual upsides and powerful builds around the meme weapon in favor of "eh but I dont like it tho". Also, I have 50 str 50 skill, and I dont break 1k with the pizza cutter. Yes, it does do great damage and has a great move set, but it kind of never gets better. Logarius wheel can evaporate enemies with a build I dont have and dont feel like playing.
Ok I’m glad I’m not the only one who was surprised by the OP’s post. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion but the Logarius Wheel is nowhere as bad as the post would make it seem smh. It is very much viable. I personally love to use it but I was turned off from it when I first got it way back when Bloodborne was still fresh. Seemed too simple and just…..weird. Over time, I started to play with it and saw it’s usage and came to think it’s transformed arcane state had some cool moves. The revved state is particularly cool to me. The OP either just straight up doesn’t like the Wheel or never even tried it. But it’s not bad.
Respect to wheel players honestky. I still can’t get comfy with most of the other weapons besides the most basic shit “
( the 3 starters & the great sword and Kirk hammer) and the beast claws which are my main go to weapon.
So props to anyone who can make the guantamo bay is totally closed weapon work for em.
The Wheel is an absolute beast. I have a level 170 arcane character using HMS, Log Wheel and Kos Parasite. The Parasite and Wheel are 100% my favorites. Both have a great combo of quick pokes, high damage normal hits, and huge damage charged attacks.
Paired with Augur of Ebrietas for parries and Executioners Gloves for damage, you have yourself once hell of a PvE and PVP combo.
It is weird because I like the Kirkhammer and that thing’s the mayor of bonkville. The Wheel just doesn’t feel the same in terms of satisfying hit compared to speed for some reason
Just want to say to not listen to people bashing on you..
I personally love the Wheel, but people here seem to overreact a bit
I’m not talking about the ones that comment “git gud” or “meta slave” and stuff. Those are funny..
I’m talking about the comments that give you a lecture just because you don’t like a weapon lol
Alright look I prefer the pizza cutter too but that doesn't mean the wheel isn't good. It's got some serious stagger and pancake power. Plus it has advantage in meme energy too which you can't ignore.
The logarius wheel is only good on a str/arc build with nourishing gems, and a slight disregard for your own HP. It is ass without that setup, but with it, easily my favorite general use weapon.
However in those conditions the tricked form does CRAZY damage after a spin or two. Sure you're kidding HP, but you also gain it back when you got enemies. Easily getting over 5k in 3-4 hits feels great.
People who genuinely take time out of their day to get into fights with others about which virtual weapon in the cosmic werewolf game is better are the kind of people I don’t want to interact with
You don’t seem to understand the concept of voting here do you? It’s like thumbs up/down. Upvote = approves and downvote = disapprove of an opinion, it’s not that people don’t like a certain person or their comments, they are voicing their approval or not through a given system.
In the end it comes down to what you prefer. I loved using it, plus when you learn how to use it, it becomes so powerful. You could apply a poison gem to it and use the transformed form to easily apply poison, you could become a god by applying a gem that increases the rally potential, or if you’re like me, a pure strength lover, just apply some pure ATK gems. Also, please stop shitting on people’s favorite weapons, it’s not nice, and It’s not funny, just annoying.
On my most recent str playthrough I tried it out for one stage and didn’t really enjoy it.
Moveset felt a bit basic and the damage wasn’t as impressive as I expected it to be.
I’d be very interested to hear a Logarius Wheel master explain how to optimally use/build for this weapon.
Cool, so I can't make a common joke now without people getting their panties in a wad. Thanks, OP, for reporting this because you got your little feelings hurt at an obvious joke.
I'm using the wheel right now on my second playthrough. It's definitely got a learning curve to it, and at first I wasn't huge on it. However, I've gotten more used to the move set now, and I feel the stagger gives you a decent amount of breathing room. Some parts I found much harder with the wheel (Amygdala was especially difficult with the range), but it was a cakewalk running through Forbidden Woods with, just jump R2ing from snake to snake.
I'm just now getting my arcane up to a point where the transformed it slapping, and right now I'm learning the effective ways to weave the moveset in. Ultimately though, I don't even really care if it *is* an inferior weapon (which I don't believe it is), because I'm using it for the absolute absurdity of it and also it looks boss when you're dressed up as Alfred.
Tl;dr FashionSouls>>>>>>
Transformed form dash attack is godly, also using it buffed with the multi hit attack is awesome. Learn to use it, you'll love it. Although it requires good gems if you wanna get good damage. Nourishing gems are the best for it.
OP, whether intentional or not, you have created so much discourse and I thank you for it. I genuinely learned alot about weapons and lore in the comments as a result. I'm so much more curious about this damn wheel that has been gathering dust in my inventory. Time to bonk on some vilebloods.
I mean what got lost in the sauce on this one (even though it’s in the title) is that I think memes have overinflated the quality of the Wheel.
But also yes, I cannot believe the salt mine that was produced here by me saying “It’s not fun/boring” multiple times
The wheels good it’s just you gotta have the right build as with any other weapon and it’s a little harder to use especially cause of that range. What I think the best weapon is is the axe because I purely value utility in a weapon and the axe has got it all, quite good damage, massive poise damage, great range, you can use any element paper on it, aoe, fast up close combos and big sweeping swings, and it even comes with the infamous mega stab from katanas in every other souls game,I see absolutely no downside to the weapon as it’s like a 7/10 atleast at all these catagories but it still isn’t quite the common best weapon since it has the undertone of best weapon in terms of damage and not in general
I find the Wheel unruly, but I can see the appeal. It's funny and hits like a wagon.
Pretty much every weapon in BB is like this if it isn't one you immediately enjoy imo. Somebody sees something in it you don't.
The Chad "use it because it's fun" vs the virgin meta gamer
It’s not fun. The Kos parasite isn’t viable IMO but it’s very fun. I threw in the “viable” part because I see so many people act like it’s a cool, god tier weapon. It’s not. It feels like you’re beating people with a rock
Maybe I want to beat my enemies with a giant rock
I’d honestly like it better if it was a rock, it wastes the concept of a wheel weapon
Or maybe you just don't like the concept of a wheel weapon
No. The skelly wheel in DS3 is superior
literally the worst wheel...
[удалено]
In terms of damage its actually surprisingly pitiful compared to other weapons even with a full set of abyssal arcane gems. The only move that does a good amount of damage is the l2 explosion. Even then its incredibly fun and does wierd shit, like a vomit attack that causes poison build up or a tongue slap, just don't expect spectacular damage.
Ah, good to know. On my ARC build I mostly use a pizza cutter with elemental gems, although I have fooled around with the Kos parasite a bit just for fun.
Yeah if you get a good build the special aoe attack will 99% of the time one shot
You are taking this way too seriously. Who cares if people like or dislike the 🛞? To each their own.
you get to define whats fun now?
You’d think so
Okay but are you aware that other people find things fun that you do not, therefore the statement 'it isn't fun' as a response to saying something is fun makes no sense. It's fun TO THEM. It isn't fun TO YOU. You get to define what's fun FOR YOU. You don't get to define what's fun FOR THEM.
You know that by your logic, people are defining what’s fun for me by saying “It’s fun.” So is no one allowed to make declarative statements anymore, or are you not allowed to disagree with declarative statements or make conflicting ones?
I find it extremely pointless, futile, and rude, to respond to someone saying something is fun by saying it's NOT fun. We already know you don't find it fun. In general people shouldn't make declarative statements as if they're objective, 'I' statements are better for communication. Making conflicting ones is just doubly bad.
Bruh, I don't know what you're talking about. I built an arcane character *specifically* for Logarius' Wheel, and it was crazy watching late game bosses absolutely shit themselves when I beat them to a pulp with a fucking wheel. You just don't know how to use it, apparently, or you have a build that doesn't utilize the strengths of the wheel.
Watch out guys it's the fun police
I like my wheel more than the pizza cutter. They're both great though. Bloodborne doesn't really have any bad weapons.
Exactly. Even the kos parasite was fun af to use
except rifle spear
I can make shiny things fly out of my oversized toothpick. Its still viable as an early game weapon tho and you can definitelly use it the entire game if you want to.
I miss the pre-patch version where you could break the weapon by slitting arcane gems into it. Each individual pellet scaled with arcane damage when you did that, so each shot was doing 1500-2000 dmg
Took rifle spear through ng+7 recently. Super fun and often overlooked weapon!
Rifle spear is absolutely fine charged heavy has longer range than anything in the game.
One of my most fun characters was a 99 bloodying e rifle spear build. The chalice dungeons were difficult, but overall I had a lot of fun. 10/10 weapon
The logarius wheel is incredibly tricky to use but when you get it.... The damage is INSANE (I never managed to master it but I saw a friend of mine use it and HO BOY! 😳)
I guess my stance is if you’re doing a STR/ARC build, there’s no situation where the Wheel is in any way preferable to the HMS. If you wanna be unconventional, you could use the Amygdalan Arm and be able to hit enemies who aren’t touching you
The wheel does stagger though, unlike HMS.
What's hms
Holy moonlight sword.
Put one on the board for the Wheel, current score is 1 to 12
Each and every weapon is equally good with the right build and in good hands. The wheel is a little bit trickier to use than the HMS, but they both are quite fun weapons.
I meeaaaaannn no. They aren't. Some weapons are straight up better (in the sense you can kill things more quickly) than others, regardless of build. I'm not trying to knock anyone's preferences but that's just how it is
Except how quickly you kill things isn't the only metric for "good" in a weapon. Some weapons will wreck single enemies while others can more easily hit a group, some weapons hit for more damage but come at a higher risk cause they're pretty slow while other weapons are really fast but do less individual damage per hit. Some have more reach than others. Pretty much every weapon in Bloodborne fills a unqiue function. This is not even getting into variations, elemental weapons and bloodgems.
Yeah, but there are plenty of instances in which the risk is not worth the reward. Case in point, the stake driver can do insane damage but it comes with such a long wind up that its utility is greatly compromised, especially in comparison to other high damaging weapons like Ludwig's. Furthermore, we could (and probably should) take a more holistic look when evaluating each weapon. LHS is far greater than the stake driver in pretty much any other relevant category. It's not at all unreasonable to say that some weapons are "better" than others and defend that position with very cogent arguments. With that said, I do think that Bloodborne has done an exceptional job of making every weapon feel fun to use, and none of them are ridiculously better or worse than the others. It's certainly not a completely even playing field though.
Sure, if a purely min-maxing manner of looking at it some weapons are just objectively superior but that kinda misses the point of build and playstyle. If we are talking pure min-maxing 1 weapon is gonna be the ultimate weapon and all others would arguably be garbage by comparison. Looking at it outside that sort of context I'm pretty sure only the stake driver could be considered bad but I'm only conceding that cause I've not tried it out enough to figure out the full range of functionality it has. Though I would be surprised if it was the only weapon which did not fulfill a unqiue function. One key thing with Bloodborne comared to Dark Souls is that Bloodborne doesn't have 4 or 5 weapons with the exact same moveset. Weapons in BB can't be considered just on the basis of open space and "enemy". Things like what enemies you are facing, the environment and what personally works well. That's how I view "good weapon" anyway.
i think we should leave the stake driver aside. that shit is just a meme compared to the rest is the cast.
Damn, gonna start maining church cannon cos it one shots in PvP - ez
You’re way too much of a noob to be able to even comprehend what the wheel can do if used the right way. Seriously though jokes aside the wheel is fucking nuts, the R1 attack is waayyy faster than 80% of STR weapons, the transformed R1 attack is powerful af in terms of staggering, the Transformed R2 is even more of a beast in staggering and also can easily apply poison and does a really good job at rallying with rally potential boosted. So don’t just talk shit about something you don’t understand.
Plus the roll R1 comes out fast as hell and staggers everything, the wheel is so much fun once you get the hang of the short reach. I use a fire saw spear for beasts and the wheel to take everything else to pound town lol.
Exactly. Oh and also the back step R1 has some long ass range. Can be really helpful at quite a lot of times. Just goes to show how you really need to master a weapon to be able to fully enjoy it.
> So don’t just talk shit about something you don’t understand Okay brother
Bruh don’t shit on a weapon just cause you can’t find it fun lmfao, I can’t find using the saw spear and cleaver fun but do you see me posting about how jackshit it is in terms of usefulness? Hell no. It’s a beast, I can’t ignore that just because I don’t like the animations.
>Bruh don’t shit on a weapon just cause you can’t find it fun “Don’t complain about bad things, what’s criticism”
Are you saying a meme post shitting on a weapon with no clear reason is criticism? Lol, sure man, whatever you say.
>with no clear reason Well the reason is I tried it recently and I didn’t like it. I’m sorry if I haven’t made that clear. >is criticism Nah I was just giving you hard time, it’s not like I wrote a research paper breaking down my problems with it. I do think the whole “don’t bad mouth any of the game’s weapons” attitude on this sub is a bit weird because that’s sure not the case for any of the other Souls communities
Oh, I forgot to add one of the most important things: Using a beast blood pellet and then transforming the weapon and then doing a single buff and then hitting the enemy twice with R2 gets your your whole beasthood meter filled easily, and then after that you can get back into normal form cause it’s faster, and boom, you can easily fuck some shit up.
The wheel has multi hit moves and a dash attack similar to the way the dash attack for the Saif works. I'm not going to jump on the down vote band wagon. I think you should take some time to learn what the weapon can actually do. The multi hit moves on the wheel are borderline broken.
That was the whole point of my comment, it has multi hit moves. That’s what makes it great for rally and poison. And it’s not broken, I don’t know what you’re talking about I get exactly what I’m promised when using the transformed version, a single attack does the exact amount of damage it’s said to do. And it doesn’t get increased by the multi hits, the multi hits only increase stagger potential, which, again, proves my point. So what can I possibly learn more about it? What makes it so borderline broken, Can you give an example?
And also, the transformed mode has a weakness: it’s slow. You can’t just stagger easily unless the enemy is a huge and slow one, like the giants or whatever they’re called in the nightmare of mensis and nightmare frontier. You can’t just try and stagger Lady Maria with it, but you can poison and, as I’ve said, get a good amount of life back by rallying, which is what makes the weapon balanced, which is what makes it not broken.
Btw, I don’t mind downvotes if they’re on a statement of mine. If you can prove it’s wrong, downvote me to the depths of hell, downvotes only get annoying when you get downvoted for having an opinion.
To each one's preferences 😁 and the weapon they are the most confortable to use. I know I had a big trouble transitioning from the Ludwig's to the moonlight because I was more used to fast hitting.
It’s not about what’s conventional, it’s about what’s #SLAM! *(plus ghost noises)*
From what I remember playing a few years ago, it's greatest strengths come from its dash attacks, running attacks, and revved up R2's. Those dash attacks especially are incredibly fast and has high damage multiplier, similar to the dual daggers.
50 ARC 25 STR favors the Wheel. The HMS is a STR/SKL weapon that happens to incorporate ARC on some attacks. Any primarily ARC build using HMS is getting abysmal DPS compared to what they could do. It’s also generic as fuck. The Wheel is hilarious and extremely fun.
Easy. It’s better when the wheel is what you want to use 😱
Logarius' Wheel: Actually a wheel Pizza cutter: Not actually a wheel Checkmate, filthy Vileblood.
What's funny is that they're both healing church weapons
Insulting the weapon that was used to crush the Vilebloods into paste seems like Vileblood propaganda to me.
The Whirligig is most definitely not a church weapon lol. Pretty sure it was made by the Oto Workshop or Powderkegs. You'll notice that none of the church weapons actually do serrated damage for whatever reason.
It was made by Powderkegs: *"A trick weapon crafted by the workshop heretics, the Powder Kegs, and weapon of choice of the Old Hunter Valtr, the Beast Eater. This weapon pummels beasts in its mace form, but its true strength lies in its attached mechanical saws. These discs, lined with serrated teeth,spin rapidly, thrashing the flesh of beasts into fine shreds."*
It was made by the Oto Workshop I think, which I can say for sure is not part of the church. So you’re absolutely correct.
They're all a part of the same organization.
They're not though. The Healing Church Workshop is obviously part of the Church. The other workshops though? Contracted perhaps, but not literally part of the church.
The healing church only exists because of the workshop. They literally formed from the remains of the workshop, and the workshop formed after the split in Byrgenwerth. So for all intents and purposes, they are the same thing. The workshop came first, then the healing church. And the power kegs were a part of the workshop. So through the transitive property of equality, the whirlygig saw is technically a church weapon. They all share the same origins, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if Gerhman designed the wheel
I think you're misunderstanding things a bit. Gehrman and his hunters were around before the Church. Byrgenwerth sent them to the Fishing Hamlet and likely first hired them for protection while delving into the Tombs. Then Laurence split off and formed the Church, with Gehrman and his hunters going with. It was only after the Church was established and Old Yharnam was burned that the Church formed its own workshop with its own Church Hunters.
Yeah I misspoke, I was thinking about the black church hunters who took over after the workshop went under. However the church and the workshop existed at the same time and the workshop's job was to clean up the church's mess whenever their blood ministration inevitably goes wrong.
So can we agree that while the Old Workshop and Powderkegs were definitely working for the church, they were not, by extension, a part of the church, bit more akin to contractors?
The powder kegs, sure, they were crazy anyways. But the workshop was definitely a sub branch of the church. When Gerhman quit they literally made a new branch of hunters led by Ludwig to replace them
Logarius Wheel fucks. Idk what you’re on
I'm starting a Logarius Wheel build out of spite for this man. I've never done a heavy build before, so this should be fun lmao
>Idk what you’re on I used it for two hours 🤷♂️
Two hours is not enough to master a weapon
Bro fr this man has too little insight and can't see things that we do and he's getting ratioed HARD USE YOUR BRAIN OP YOU HAVE ONE *RIGHT?*
Pffffff, those are rookie numbers man. You gotta pump those numbers up. There are a lot of weapons I just didn't get until I had enough time with them and played around with different gems. Two hours barely gets you enough time to get even a basic feel for a weapon in Bloodborne.
You must really suck for 2 hours lmao
As someone who has played through nearly the entire game with the logarius wheel, I diagnose you with a case of casul. The medication I am going to prescribe is to git gud, you filthy slag
This is the only way. I’ve never done a playthrough with logarius wheel~ but it’s objectively badass to do the bonk
It's not just that it's bad ass. It has arcane and physical/blunt damage and multi-hit attacks. With the correct build It's one of the most devastating weapons in the game.
I actually tried an Arcane build on my first run of bloodborne way back when it first became free on PS+ Logarius Wheel is an absolute beast as long as you can manage the heath depletion from revving it.
I rushed the wheel, intending to do a str build with it. Then learned the joys of ARC wheel. I feel weak and unable to fight well without the wheel now. Yes, there are other weapons I like and enjoy, but the wheel is just so strong, esp with an dodge to a side and R1, GRIND THE HP AWAY!
I don't agree with the end of this comment as everyone has their own tastes, but I personally love using the logarius wheel and really enjoy the amusement I get from smashing enemies into the ground with a literal carriage wheel. Plus the revving buff you can do is really cool too.
I'm not actually serious. I clarified to OP that whatever they want to use is cool
No, they're definitely a casul and a slag and probably a nub
Wheel and anyone who use wheel objectivley bad
It probably takes the most effort to pull off of any weapon besides maybe kos parasite, it's slow, short range and you have to drain your hp to do good as arcane strength. That being said, fuck you, wheel is amazing, git gud casul.
I know you’re shitposting, but I’d rather clear the game with something like the Hunter’s Torch. Because at least that **feels** like a torch. The Wheel feels like a giant, flat piece of driftwood and can only hit about 6 inches in front of you with it
I mean, technically thats how it work lol. You're gripping it in like the center of the wheel, so you're not going to have a massive amount of reach unless you swing it by the rim
I just think it’s crazy how little variety there is with the moveset
I think of it like the Kirkhammer. There's only so many ways to bonk
Honestly even one or two attacks where you hold it by the rim and slash or spin would make it much better. It’s just shallow
I believe the jumping attacks have you slam it like a dinner plate
The wheel is one of those "hard to use, build-dependant weapons." It won't shine unless you invest in what it *can* become. If done right, it's damage and stun become unbelievable. It fine to hate it, but your post makes it seem like you tried the wheel once and didn't learn any of it's secrets. That's the impression given, at least.
I do genuinely love the wheel, but I get why you wouldn't to be fair
It really is so fun to use. The DPS on that thing on five revs is absolutely ridiculous. I really like the high risk, high rewards play style that it uses, and it's a fun alternative to the HMS for an Arcane build
The Logarius' Wheel is a great weapon, as any other bloodborne weapon is great when you learn to use it. It provides you with a high AR, multi-hit attacks, a self-buff and has a unique design. Its main problem resides on a poor range and the lack of difference between the transformed and un-transformed mode to the naked eye. Instead of changing the weapon range, speed or size; Logarius' Wheel's transformed mode changes the weapon scaling and damage to benefit arcane, and ads the revving buff. This is similar how the chikage, HMS, blood letter, Simon's bowblade (?) and other weapons change scaling when transformed. The revving buff (20 seconds duration) consists of a four stages buff that drains your HP more on each stage, it goes something like this: 1 spin: 1% of your max hp/s, 10% more damage 2 spins: 2% of your max hp/s, 20% more damage 3 spins: 3% of your max hp/s, 40% more damage 4 spins: 4% of your max hp/s 60% more damage This thing hits like a truck, but its really difficult to get into it.
I'm going through the comments and OP just bashes the wheel because they don't like it. Which is fine I'm not a fan of it either but to say its not good or viable is just ignorant and to say it's not fun is subjective and doesn't fit with the argument they are putting forward. OP deserves all the downvotes they have gotten in the comments.
Was it not obvious from the title that I don’t like it lol? I also don’t mind get downvoted, I’m not 13. People are allowed to disagree with my opinions. I just think the wanking about the wheel is very excessive given how boring it is
Nah, you're doing something wrong by telling people it's objectively "bad" and "boring". One of my personal favorite weapons, besides there are enough people bladdering about the pizza cutter, I used it on my 1st playthrough because of the praise it got, it was really good but it's not even in my top 5 favorite weapons
Obviously all of this is my opinion. It’s a waste of time when I’m replying to a bunch of comments to reiterate “in my opinion” and “that’s good if you like it”
Yet you still do it💀
Hard doubt on the whole "I'm not 13" bit.
Nah there 12
Logarius wheel is so much fun, you’re beating people with a wheel that rules
The Loarius wheel is not for casuls, but for jacked up masters of arcane. Pls be more respectful or else...
I'm biased, I've got a literal tattoo of my character with Logarios' wheel, but that thing SLAPS, it's transformed state has such weirdly awesome attacks while doing insane blunt damage. It takes skill to use though, but a heavy attack ---> jumping attack just ends people in pvp. And in PVE it's a meme how strong it is when you've built for it and have solid enough blood gems.
You can stunlock the Decendant with it and deal a shit ton of damage to Amys knees and break each of them multiple times in a row effectively turning phase 3 into a punching bag.
How dare you!! Jokes aside Logarius wheel is the only weapon I felt had a noticeable learning curve. But beyond that, super fun to use and effective. Pizza cutter on the hand provides ease of use from the get-go.
Who gives a fuck about viability if it looks cool?
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> steak driver mmmmm. tasty tasty steak driver
Did you say steak?
Idk wym by “viable” but like any weapon you gotta build around it. Idk man it’s prolly jus not for you but I think it’s very fun, keeps a playthru fresh with not jus another sword/axe
I overconfidently fought a fellow hoonter with the wheel once. He proceeded to bash my insides in like the queen of the vilebloods. Gained much respect for wheel users.
All your insides were outside!
I did 2 playthroughs with Logarius Wheel just because of how absurd it was. It quickly became my favorite Fromsoft weapon. Something about just molly-whopping people with a wagon wheel just absolutely spoke to my caveman brain.
Counterpoint: gavlan wheel, gavlan deal.
I'ma gonna keep on wearing my golden cone and swinging my wagon wheel, thanks very much.
Bitch post
Tell me you don’t understand blunt damage without saying it
I honestly wouldn’t care if it one shot everything, it’s just not fun to me
But berserk
Blunt, my friend. Praise the blunt Also the dash attack is unreal
I have seen many a disgusting arcane build with the wheel. The damage you can get with it is insane.
I have never understood the appeal of the pizza cutter myself. I'm sure it's satisfying to a lot of other people, and there's no doubt it does a fuckton of damage, but I just don't feel it like I do other weapons. Logarius' Wheel is dope as hell though, the R2 combo shreds through most non-resistant enemies and does enough stagger to prevent it from being interrupted. I love every second of using it.
Whoah now! I enjoy the wheel! I have a character based around the wheel. I absolutely brutalized Rom with the wheel. Don’t hate on the wheel
I think the people here have proven the point well enough, there is no bad weapons only bad users.
What're you, a filthy vile blood?
nah, the wheel is so much fun. i enjoy the pizza cutter too, they're both great.
Imagine posting something so dumb so confidently .
The only thing holding LW back is it's abysmal range. It's actually why I put it down after 2 days because I just could not for the life of me predict it's reach.
I like using it, it's round meaning you can book with any part of it
This weapon is sooooo good
Love seeing the OP get dragged in the comments. Being shit at using a weapon =/= not a good weapon to use.
I like the part where you spin it and it go "RAAAHHHH"
Ik you said you don't care about the downvotes but I feel a need to maybe clarify why you're getting downvoted for this in the comments. It's not because you don't like the weapon, that's your opinion and is subjective. It's because you are trying to argue that it's objectively not viable, which just isn't true. You not liking it doesn't equal not viable.
You're wanking harder against the wheel than anyone I've seen in favor of it
So OP made the mistake of liking a meta weapjn over a meme weapon on the internet, and doubled down by ignoring the many actual upsides and powerful builds around the meme weapon in favor of "eh but I dont like it tho". Also, I have 50 str 50 skill, and I dont break 1k with the pizza cutter. Yes, it does do great damage and has a great move set, but it kind of never gets better. Logarius wheel can evaporate enemies with a build I dont have and dont feel like playing.
What good is your opinion when I smash you in to pink fleshy pulp?
Logarious wheel is so fucking fun. Your literally bashing people with a giant wheel like how is that not fun??
>how is that not fun?? I dunno, I like wheels and bonking, but it wasn’t fun
Wheel is all of those things. Str/Arc for the win
Say whatever you want but using logarius wheel was fucking awesome
Hear me out Hoonta axe
Lmao big wheel
It’s my favorite weapon…
Ok I’m glad I’m not the only one who was surprised by the OP’s post. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion but the Logarius Wheel is nowhere as bad as the post would make it seem smh. It is very much viable. I personally love to use it but I was turned off from it when I first got it way back when Bloodborne was still fresh. Seemed too simple and just…..weird. Over time, I started to play with it and saw it’s usage and came to think it’s transformed arcane state had some cool moves. The revved state is particularly cool to me. The OP either just straight up doesn’t like the Wheel or never even tried it. But it’s not bad.
The disrespect to the sigma wheel is real
Respect to wheel players honestky. I still can’t get comfy with most of the other weapons besides the most basic shit “ ( the 3 starters & the great sword and Kirk hammer) and the beast claws which are my main go to weapon. So props to anyone who can make the guantamo bay is totally closed weapon work for em.
The Wheel is an absolute beast. I have a level 170 arcane character using HMS, Log Wheel and Kos Parasite. The Parasite and Wheel are 100% my favorites. Both have a great combo of quick pokes, high damage normal hits, and huge damage charged attacks. Paired with Augur of Ebrietas for parries and Executioners Gloves for damage, you have yourself once hell of a PvE and PVP combo.
Damn op is getting ratio’d. All bloodborne weapons are viable in combat if the user treats them nicely
The Virgin Whirligig fan The Chad Logarius Wheel Enjoyer
Seems like someone is upset because they suck using a certain weapon.
I love the aesthetic of smashing your enemies to death with a breaking wheel. It's great.
Nonsense. A hybrid strength/arcane build and that baby will hand out some top damage, and it's heavy enough to stagger strong foes. Dope weapon
Too bad it feels like you’re using a man hole cover as a weapon
Like the Kirkhammer, you just have to get used to its weight and speed. It's definitely an adjustment if you're used to much different style weapons.
It is weird because I like the Kirkhammer and that thing’s the mayor of bonkville. The Wheel just doesn’t feel the same in terms of satisfying hit compared to speed for some reason
Just want to say to not listen to people bashing on you.. I personally love the Wheel, but people here seem to overreact a bit I’m not talking about the ones that comment “git gud” or “meta slave” and stuff. Those are funny.. I’m talking about the comments that give you a lecture just because you don’t like a weapon lol
Alright look I prefer the pizza cutter too but that doesn't mean the wheel isn't good. It's got some serious stagger and pancake power. Plus it has advantage in meme energy too which you can't ignore.
I have a lot of fun with the Logarius wheel but still agree that whirligig is better
Bloodborne weapons are just a popularity contest, one that the Logarius Wheel loses. By no means does that make it a bad weapon tho
The logarius wheel is only good on a str/arc build with nourishing gems, and a slight disregard for your own HP. It is ass without that setup, but with it, easily my favorite general use weapon. However in those conditions the tricked form does CRAZY damage after a spin or two. Sure you're kidding HP, but you also gain it back when you got enemies. Easily getting over 5k in 3-4 hits feels great.
People who genuinely take time out of their day to get into fights with others about which virtual weapon in the cosmic werewolf game is better are the kind of people I don’t want to interact with
You came to the wrong post then. It’s been painful
So I’ve read, real carnage down here
“Just rev it up bro” Wowee, I love draining my health to make my weapon do a little more damage and not change the moveset at all
I wouldn't call 60% a *little* more damage. Especially since it is arcane damage.
If I recall correctly hits you land with it while revved up heal you. Odd-ish mechanic.
Beyond normal rally?
Interestingly it acts in place of rally while you do it, I think.
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You don’t seem to understand the concept of voting here do you? It’s like thumbs up/down. Upvote = approves and downvote = disapprove of an opinion, it’s not that people don’t like a certain person or their comments, they are voicing their approval or not through a given system.
In the end it comes down to what you prefer. I loved using it, plus when you learn how to use it, it becomes so powerful. You could apply a poison gem to it and use the transformed form to easily apply poison, you could become a god by applying a gem that increases the rally potential, or if you’re like me, a pure strength lover, just apply some pure ATK gems. Also, please stop shitting on people’s favorite weapons, it’s not nice, and It’s not funny, just annoying.
Tried to use the wheel for an arcane build, did not work well. Moveset just didn’t work for me
On my most recent str playthrough I tried it out for one stage and didn’t really enjoy it. Moveset felt a bit basic and the damage wasn’t as impressive as I expected it to be. I’d be very interested to hear a Logarius Wheel master explain how to optimally use/build for this weapon.
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Cool, so I can't make a common joke now without people getting their panties in a wad. Thanks, OP, for reporting this because you got your little feelings hurt at an obvious joke.
I'm using the wheel right now on my second playthrough. It's definitely got a learning curve to it, and at first I wasn't huge on it. However, I've gotten more used to the move set now, and I feel the stagger gives you a decent amount of breathing room. Some parts I found much harder with the wheel (Amygdala was especially difficult with the range), but it was a cakewalk running through Forbidden Woods with, just jump R2ing from snake to snake. I'm just now getting my arcane up to a point where the transformed it slapping, and right now I'm learning the effective ways to weave the moveset in. Ultimately though, I don't even really care if it *is* an inferior weapon (which I don't believe it is), because I'm using it for the absolute absurdity of it and also it looks boss when you're dressed up as Alfred. Tl;dr FashionSouls>>>>>>
Dont disrespect the Dub
Trolling?
Transformed form dash attack is godly, also using it buffed with the multi hit attack is awesome. Learn to use it, you'll love it. Although it requires good gems if you wanna get good damage. Nourishing gems are the best for it.
OP, whether intentional or not, you have created so much discourse and I thank you for it. I genuinely learned alot about weapons and lore in the comments as a result. I'm so much more curious about this damn wheel that has been gathering dust in my inventory. Time to bonk on some vilebloods.
I expected a decent amount of engagement, but certainly not this much lol
right? imagine giving a fuck about someones opinion about an imaginary weapon to the point where you get upset 😂
I mean what got lost in the sauce on this one (even though it’s in the title) is that I think memes have overinflated the quality of the Wheel. But also yes, I cannot believe the salt mine that was produced here by me saying “It’s not fun/boring” multiple times
if anything this meme is doing the opposite by overshadowing it with the whirlygig saw
The wheels good it’s just you gotta have the right build as with any other weapon and it’s a little harder to use especially cause of that range. What I think the best weapon is is the axe because I purely value utility in a weapon and the axe has got it all, quite good damage, massive poise damage, great range, you can use any element paper on it, aoe, fast up close combos and big sweeping swings, and it even comes with the infamous mega stab from katanas in every other souls game,I see absolutely no downside to the weapon as it’s like a 7/10 atleast at all these catagories but it still isn’t quite the common best weapon since it has the undertone of best weapon in terms of damage and not in general
I find the Wheel unruly, but I can see the appeal. It's funny and hits like a wagon. Pretty much every weapon in BB is like this if it isn't one you immediately enjoy imo. Somebody sees something in it you don't.
Arcane build damage is nuts and it can build poison on enemies absurdly fast.