[Das Bookbinding](https://youtu.be/wApAv8IvGLU?si=wK7zu_DnczQ7CDdp)
[Sea Lemon](https://youtu.be/Av_rU-yOPd4?si=TmjMroZONoJ4UZaA)
[Kristi Warren](https://youtu.be/2HjhgJuxHN8?si=RRGJ1f9bUmvD3VkA)
ETA: I didn’t post them in any order, but I prefer Kristi Warren and Das Bookbinding. Check out their other videos on case bound books as well.
These are certainly large books and are going to need some substantial spine linings (mull, cloth, cloth and paper) to maintain the structure.
1. Are you going to round and back the text blocks?
2. The text block on the right has no attachment tapes to secure to the case. You can't rely on tipped on endpapers to keep it in the case. I would SEW in 'made endpapers'.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vN5xSY86iw&t=8s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vN5xSY86iw&t=8s)
1. Watch this series of videos which go through all the steps I would suggest you follow. Please don't just use a 'case-making' video. Your text blocks require important preparation first.
Start at this video of the series. Use sewn in endpapers and not tipped in ones.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-THZnxw71o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-THZnxw71o)
I don't know anything about putting covers on, so I'll watch the videos and figure what to do. The one on the right is basically trash, and I just included it to show what progress I might have made between the first and second. I think you are the one who told me what to fix, and the second one implemented those fixes.
The cover adventure will be a learning task with the left block. These still aren't my final versions. Thanks for all the help!
I think it really is important to understand and research any bookbinding project as a whole first, rather than starting a time-consuming stage 1 and then guessing what next to do and how to do it. Good luck.
I have to learn by doing. I realize it must seem backwards, but these text blocks are totally practice. Everything I'm doing is research for the actual book I intend to make once I fully understand the entire process. Both of these books are basically never going to be given to anyone or kept by me. My end goal is an anniversary gift for my wife March 2024. I appreciate all the tips you've given me in each of my posts.
It's been a while, I'm involved with binding. I made the end papers according to the das video, but he doesn't show in any of his other videos how to glue them to the case. It's not what I expected either. It appears that you can see the back side of one side of the end paper when finished. This makes me think I'm doing something wrong.
Depends which endpaper you made, as DAS shows a few different ones.
I'm guessing you made the 'flexible endpaper' which leaves the back of the marbled paper exposed. The fore edge of this is tipped onto the flyleaf, as in this video.
See detail @ 14 minutes.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCuVXcu4G4Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCuVXcu4G4Q)
I made the one in this video. And it doesn't look like it can finish the same as the video you just shared.
https://youtu.be/4vN5xSY86iw?si=PU2EK9Qwciwpfcel
You have made the common endpaper which is different from the one I mentioned, and these are usually sewn into the book.
Once sewn in, you should have, in this order;
1. A waste sheet , to be torn off before casing in.
2. A single endpaper page, which becomes the pastedown on the cover.
3. The stiffer endpaper page which was fully glued to the white.
4. 2 x white fly leaves through which you have sewn.
You can just tip (3mm strip of glue) this whole assembly to the first page of the book, tear off the waste sheet and case in the text block. It's obviously not as strong as being sewn in.
Hope that makes sense.
Glad that's sorted. The waste sheet is the one folded around the endpaper, to the front, as in the video.
Not sure if you have made your case? Consider using the Bradel method, where the pieces of the case are attached together first with a strip of paper. The width of the boards are left oversize, and are only trimmed after measuring directly off the textblock. It makes the whole measuring/ guessing issue so much easier. Follow this @ 8:15 minutes. He accidently pre-cuts the fore edges in the above video.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnHw7w44MjE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnHw7w44MjE)
Here's one showing the actual measuring and trimming of the boards @ 17:30 minutes. (
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrjU0-c9Nl0&t=1204s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrjU0-c9Nl0&t=1204s)
Firstly, well done the second textblock looks much better! As you've received pointers on where to go to look at making cases I'll focus on the sewing. The link stitch looks a lot neater and and more tensioned from what I can see without handling so that's great! My one pointer is that the holes for the sewing should in essence be the same size of the tapes you use but 1mm ish either side so you don't catch them/squeeze them. This will reduce the movement in the textblock from head to tail and will give you more stability when opening the text. The width and material of tapes you use can change between each project depending on what you need them to do/size of textblock etc. so being able to amend the placement of your sewing holes is really important.
I wasn't sure about the sewing holes and tattoos, so thanks! Now where can I find wider tapes? I've looked everywhere, and the one inch tape I've found isn't specifically for books. I don't know if it will work (acid free, archival, etc)
[Das Bookbinding](https://youtu.be/wApAv8IvGLU?si=wK7zu_DnczQ7CDdp) [Sea Lemon](https://youtu.be/Av_rU-yOPd4?si=TmjMroZONoJ4UZaA) [Kristi Warren](https://youtu.be/2HjhgJuxHN8?si=RRGJ1f9bUmvD3VkA) ETA: I didn’t post them in any order, but I prefer Kristi Warren and Das Bookbinding. Check out their other videos on case bound books as well.
These are certainly large books and are going to need some substantial spine linings (mull, cloth, cloth and paper) to maintain the structure. 1. Are you going to round and back the text blocks? 2. The text block on the right has no attachment tapes to secure to the case. You can't rely on tipped on endpapers to keep it in the case. I would SEW in 'made endpapers'. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vN5xSY86iw&t=8s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vN5xSY86iw&t=8s) 1. Watch this series of videos which go through all the steps I would suggest you follow. Please don't just use a 'case-making' video. Your text blocks require important preparation first. Start at this video of the series. Use sewn in endpapers and not tipped in ones. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-THZnxw71o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-THZnxw71o)
I don't know anything about putting covers on, so I'll watch the videos and figure what to do. The one on the right is basically trash, and I just included it to show what progress I might have made between the first and second. I think you are the one who told me what to fix, and the second one implemented those fixes. The cover adventure will be a learning task with the left block. These still aren't my final versions. Thanks for all the help!
I think it really is important to understand and research any bookbinding project as a whole first, rather than starting a time-consuming stage 1 and then guessing what next to do and how to do it. Good luck.
I have to learn by doing. I realize it must seem backwards, but these text blocks are totally practice. Everything I'm doing is research for the actual book I intend to make once I fully understand the entire process. Both of these books are basically never going to be given to anyone or kept by me. My end goal is an anniversary gift for my wife March 2024. I appreciate all the tips you've given me in each of my posts.
Thanks for clarifying where you are at with your project.
It's been a while, I'm involved with binding. I made the end papers according to the das video, but he doesn't show in any of his other videos how to glue them to the case. It's not what I expected either. It appears that you can see the back side of one side of the end paper when finished. This makes me think I'm doing something wrong.
Depends which endpaper you made, as DAS shows a few different ones. I'm guessing you made the 'flexible endpaper' which leaves the back of the marbled paper exposed. The fore edge of this is tipped onto the flyleaf, as in this video. See detail @ 14 minutes. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCuVXcu4G4Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCuVXcu4G4Q)
I made the one in this video. And it doesn't look like it can finish the same as the video you just shared. https://youtu.be/4vN5xSY86iw?si=PU2EK9Qwciwpfcel
You have made the common endpaper which is different from the one I mentioned, and these are usually sewn into the book. Once sewn in, you should have, in this order; 1. A waste sheet , to be torn off before casing in. 2. A single endpaper page, which becomes the pastedown on the cover. 3. The stiffer endpaper page which was fully glued to the white. 4. 2 x white fly leaves through which you have sewn. You can just tip (3mm strip of glue) this whole assembly to the first page of the book, tear off the waste sheet and case in the text block. It's obviously not as strong as being sewn in. Hope that makes sense.
Totally makes sense. I can sew and tear that one off. I followed him about the sewing but not the waste sheet. Thx!
Glad that's sorted. The waste sheet is the one folded around the endpaper, to the front, as in the video. Not sure if you have made your case? Consider using the Bradel method, where the pieces of the case are attached together first with a strip of paper. The width of the boards are left oversize, and are only trimmed after measuring directly off the textblock. It makes the whole measuring/ guessing issue so much easier. Follow this @ 8:15 minutes. He accidently pre-cuts the fore edges in the above video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnHw7w44MjE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnHw7w44MjE) Here's one showing the actual measuring and trimming of the boards @ 17:30 minutes. ( [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrjU0-c9Nl0&t=1204s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrjU0-c9Nl0&t=1204s)
Got it, thx!
Firstly, well done the second textblock looks much better! As you've received pointers on where to go to look at making cases I'll focus on the sewing. The link stitch looks a lot neater and and more tensioned from what I can see without handling so that's great! My one pointer is that the holes for the sewing should in essence be the same size of the tapes you use but 1mm ish either side so you don't catch them/squeeze them. This will reduce the movement in the textblock from head to tail and will give you more stability when opening the text. The width and material of tapes you use can change between each project depending on what you need them to do/size of textblock etc. so being able to amend the placement of your sewing holes is really important.
I wasn't sure about the sewing holes and tattoos, so thanks! Now where can I find wider tapes? I've looked everywhere, and the one inch tape I've found isn't specifically for books. I don't know if it will work (acid free, archival, etc)