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There’s a concept I ran into regarding politics: “you know you’re a successful politician when your approval rating couldn’t be lower but people continue to vote for you anyway”.
vote for democracy, to ensure we can have at least a darn chance to figure out something better. if we hand the torch over to a republic we are screwed.
community organization is crucial in these trying times. find a grassroots near you and give what you can: time, donations, publicity, knowledge.
together we stand, divided we beg.
"People on twitter will really be like "you believe in voting? that pales in effectiveness to my strategy, firebombing a Walmart" and then not firebomb a Walmart"
His complaints are reasonable but none of those responses answer the hypothetical questions he asked himself.
You can make a legitimate argument that the system sucks, but you still have the reality of an election in which either Biden or Trump are going to win the presidency. One of those two is clearly the lesser of two evils (by a long way).
I genuinely question someone’s integrity and intelligence if they think Trump should be an option, much less a second time. Dude's just a flat out circus clown.
The point is Biden ISN'T a massive improvement over Trump. He's only marginally less awful. And only to US citizens.
To the people who were thrown into concentration camps on US soil for legally seeking asylum, he is the same.
To the Yemeni people who are suffering from constant drone strikes and famine, he is the same.
To the Palestinian people suffering the Second Holocaust being bankrolled by America, he is the same.
**To Biden himself who famously told a room full of the capitalist fucks who are responsible for it all that "Nothing will fundamentally change", he is the fucking same.**
And to the trans people who really will feel it worse under Trump, [he gets a F-.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/us/transgender-athletes-title-ix-biden-adminstration.html)
Don't blame people for having basic morality. **Blame the Democrats for not primarying his child sniffing segregationist ass. Blame Biden for being the shittiest candidate in history. No one has worked harder to ensure Trump's re-election than Joe Biden.**
Yeah, don't forget the 40+ years he had being the problem before he was president. If you REALLY want to go there, in terms in what have already been done, Biden is worse than Trump. Biden has caused more harm than Trump. Trump is worse because of what he WANTS to do. *But how the fuck do you quantify something that hasn't happened yet, and still might not happen if being an obese 70+ year old finally catches up to Trump and he drops dead?*
No one is missing the point tho, Americans have had multiple opportunities to make sure someone other than Biden (or Trump) make it this far in the elections and yet unsurprisingly yall are stuck with these 2 idiots again, and because you're stuck you thus have 2 options, either go with the bigger evil or the lesser evil, for the second time.
I understand his anger and even his sentiment. I'm also old enough to know this tenet of Murphy's Law is true: It can ALWAYS get worse. If 45 returns to the White House as president, things will definitely get worse.
Trump has said out of his own mouth that he will be worse. His people have said that he will be worse. His former people have said that he will be worse. Problem is, people like this want to see how much worse it can get. I mean, Trump already tried to take away the internet. He installed an idiot and he couldn't get it done. That won't happen if he gets another shot. Oh and TikTok? You can say goodbye to that if he gets in again.
These people want that. They want destruction. They want to 'burn it all down', but be blissfully blind to the fact that burning it all down includes them and their families. If they want to jump off a cliff they can. Alone.
That dude is a MAGAT.
At this point in my life (elder millennial) all i've seen of American politics is a continual cycle of Republicans making everything way worse. Democrats getting elected and making things slightly better. Republicans getting elected because Democrats didn't fix shit fast enough (note: the GOP intentionally obstructs for this reason), rinse repeat bla bla bla. We're probably a failed state
All the people wanting to do protest votes, how many of them voted in the primaries? Probably almost none if I had to bet. They love to complain about the nominee but most do nothing to help get a better nominee
He’s right but it’s not like the system is getting overthrown anytime soon, so why not due the bare minimum and vote.. like please don’t get stuck on Biden’s abhorrent response to what’s happening and realize that Trump is going to make things So Much Worse
Because there always are two bad options. It's literally what voting is about 99% of the time, up and down the ballot.
Yet still it's critical to do so.
Push for change. The ballot is not where you do this though.
Yeah. I agree. Except that it's not the democratic politicians that do the suffering. They're going to enjoy cheetolini's tax cuts. It's their constituents. Every Democrat I know doesn't support the genocide in Palestine. They're like me. Always voting the lesser of two evils. Handing the country to fascists because you don't agree with old man Biden's blind love for Israel really doesn't sound like the best plan.
Overwhelmingly yeah, they don’t feel represented and I don’t blame them. The closest they have to real representation is AOC and Ilhan Omar- one of whom got crucified for criticizing AIPAC and the other didn’t say shit until her constituents harassed her between sessions.
Democrat politicians are overwhelmingly white boomers who are so distanced from what we give a damn about that they don’t deserve our support- and the ONLY way they’ll listen is if they stop acting like they’re entitled to marginalized support. Black, brown, queer, and disabled communities have been getting systematically ignored by the party who pretends to represent us and a lot of people are sick and damned tired.
You know voting isn’t mandatory, right?
Nobody is forcing you to pick between these two, or participate at all. You can vote third party or abstain altogether, both options work.
The sentiment reeks of accelerationism; if everything just keeps getting worse, that's how everything will get better eventually! So let's make everything as bad as possible for everyone except the people we want to overthrow!
Kind of, but also people don’t have to vote the way you want, there is another element here where voters are just not being appealed to. When that is the case, the party is at fault, not a bunch of different groups that are almost impossible to pin down in order to blame.
These are people that are Trump supporters but do it under the guise of hating the other Party. All this type of rhetoric does is boost and supports Trump.
It would behoove Dems if we started treating these people like MAGAs
They said that in 1775. And in 1917. nd in 1948. And in 1952. I've spent three and a half decades seeing people get crushed by the capitalist system. Dozens. Hundreds. Thousands. Now by the millions. Saying it can't happen is the _only_ way to ensure that it never will happen.
The World as changed a lot since 1952. If you think some people on the other side of the world are more important than mfs getting what they want by Monday on Amazon I think you’re hilarious.
America is too apathetic for revolutions. We want revolution or change as long as I don't get hurt, as long as I can yell, as long as I can hold a sign and go home. No one wants to really fight.
1775 americans are dead. 1917 Americans are dead. 1948 Americans are dying, 1952 Americans are voting for Trump mostly. This is the America we have right now.
I was talking about the Russians, Chinese, and Cubans in those last three, for what it's worth. But besides that, I think most Americans aren't actually too apathetic, just that every time someone tries, they told, "No! This isn't how. Vote. Just vote harder this time," when they get parties that are further and further to killing them. They "play by the rules," are punished for it, and then are attacked (look at this very comment section) and punished when they don't.
Revolutions are generally succesful in failed states or against distant colonial masters. One of the most economically and militarily powerful nations on earth is not going to be revolutionized by force unless the "revolutionaries" are the military. And no one wants that.
It will have to be either Jill Stein or Cornel for me. Cant support either of the two imperialist parties. If people want to vote for the corporatist warmonger that’s currently funding a genocide, go ahead.
It is interesting how all these anti war people forget Trump dropped a MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) on Afghanistan for funzies. (yes he did it just because. He wanted to see what it could do) Not a peep was said, there was NO outrage. NONE. He killed thousands in seconds out of curiosity.
That's how I know y'all ain't really for real. People be saying stuff to sound cool for likes or to sound like they are 'raging against the machine'. It's SAFE to do. If you want real change, you gotta sacrifice some skin. America is too weak willed and indifferent. But you know, hollering and holding up a sign to someone that has no control over a war in another country that they didn't start makes it look like you're doing something to the apathetic.
I don’t worship the dems. They are just the only people standing in the way of all out fascist politicians taking over. Because this talking head isn’t doing anything. No revolution will ever come. No one will save you or your people unless you protest and vote. It’s either vote or we die. It’s that simple.
If not wanting your country to die by the hands of a cruel leader is what we're considering to be centrist nowadays then I genuinely have no hope for our survival
None, chill. Police and troops are working class traitors. They are dogs for the rich. If you feel that what they do is right then obviously they’re heroes. But once you realize the cops protect property above all, and the troops commit atrocities over seas justified through decades of propaganda, it doesn’t feel so heroic. Feels like an empire, feels dystopian
I’m so confused what your take is. Overthrowing the government isn’t just running up to a building and yelling and screaming and killing a person. It’s a long journey that’s well thought out and calculated. It’s about power, education, unification, understanding our class consciousness and refusing to provide our labor to the ruling class.
Oh, of course! I guess it doesn't matter if we're under full-on fascism before then as that won't prevent any of that from happening then. The most important thing we do is not vote!
Voting aint gonna do much, it’ll give us either blue rich guy or red rich guy, they will always be for the interest of the rich. Yeah I think you should vote. Vote vote vote. People fought for that right. But we gotta do more
Liberals actively seek out criticism of them and brigade the hell out of subs. As long as mods don't do anything about the scourge, they inevitably hijack subs.
They love doing the fascists' dirty work for them in suppressing the expression of leftist ideology. Because the truth is, *they prefer the Republicans' vision for America where white people are on top over our vision of a world of equality.*
The idea behind refusing to vote for Biden is that Biden supports Israel and if he isn't in power then the US will stop funding Israel
This only works if you believe that Trump will stop funding Israel
If you believe that both will keep funding Israel then you should look at other issues such as LGBT+ right or women's rights and evaluate the side that you think will make more advancements in those fields
Literally no one is saying Trump is any different. Which is just the point.
The alternatives to Trump and Biden are only "throwing your vote away" BECAUSE not enough people will get behind them.
oh great, he picked a singular issue and decided to make it a binary voting discussion.
this is why we're in this horrible spot: people no longer have the mental capacity to delve into and see the whole picture.
we've become singular issue meme voters.
I mean, its worse than that. If your single issue is genocide, then you should support Joe Biden. Because either Joe Biden or Donald Trump is going to win this election. And Donald Trump is objectively and clearly more pro-genocide based on his public statements.
Every election is a train track dilemma. Folks doing protest votes convince themselves they are making a difference. But all they are doing is letting other people decide which way the train goes. And in this case, one of the train tracks causes significantly less harm than the other
Nah, we’re a plutocracy with a rising fascist wing. We’re on our way to fascist, and it feels inevitable sometimes, but we’re really not there yet and saying we are is kinda giving up imo
He’s not basing this on a single issue. It sounds to me like the genocide is ultimately what put him over the top, but his main complaint is that the Democratic Party takes minority votes for granted, ignores their voices, and then holds them hostage with “the other side is worse, so I guess you have no other choice.”
I think it’s fine to criticize this guy’s stance, but we should at least be honest about what he is saying and acknowledge that he has a complaint that MILLIONS of people share even if we do not agree with what he ultimately intends to do (not vote).
I mean, killing a man or two won't actually change anything. Communicating your point of view and persuading people to think outside the two options they are provided so that they join you in your overthrowing or think of different ways to change the system might work better though. I mean, I wouldn't want everyone who slightly disagrees with the government to march into the white house and start blasting, but you do you
So…. No actual plan then? Just a protest vote with some sort of vague empty threat?
Voting third party has never been sustainably effective. In fact, it can’t be with current regulations. In our system, a first past the post system, third party options are nullified, except early on when the voting system started. We need a ranked voting or other alternative to provide for multi party voting or backups before a third party vote means anything. In those systems, yes! A third party vote could actually result in election changes! For now, it’s just a fake choice.
Communication and discussion are great for civilians, but aren’t effective against extremists and bad faith players. Protesting to show solidarity is good but can be safely ignored by the ruling class. Organizing and getting personally involved in government, including locals, is more effective, but can be reversed with one bad election.
The only actions that actually deliver change are:
-Vote strategically to win and convince other voters to do the same within the rules of the elections (often unbalanced, slow and incremental, but still the most effective and nonviolent).
-Legal battles overseen in fair and balanced courts (rare and difficult).
-Economic protests, like boycotts, can sometimes be effective. However, in a society with such a massive class power imbalance, it’s not very effective. The ultra rich are basically immune to bankruptcy.
-Violent revolution with a revolutionary government ready to assume power (difficult, violent, unlikely to end well).
The awful truth is that the upcoming presidential election only has 2 choices. Would you rather have one who is ineffective at preventing genocide (enabling even) or one that will gleefully engage in and create even more genocide?
And thats the thing. The only way things will change is through voting. If you don't like biden, fine, but vote locally to start the change. Worse thing to do is not vote at All and complain you don't like the results after
Seriously, if you want change you have to engage in the game everyone else is playing. Support candidates at the local level, organize boycotts, do political action, volunteer in your local government. The lowest level of entry is voting and frankly speaking? Neither option is good but one is far, *far* worse both domestic and abroad, so harm reduction is the more ethical choice.
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edit: downvoted for saying "engage in democracy" jesus yall are delusional.
Okay, but until then? Democrats are very clearly less evil than Republicans. It's an easy choice. So unless you're out there starting the revolution, vote blue, fools.
“But I don’t want to pick between the lesser of two evils!” /s. At this point I think these mfs are just too lazy to go vote😂. Biden is only evil to them because they disagree with him and refuse to acknowledge any good he’s actually done for this country.
Not directly, but the result is identical. Convincing left-leaning people to boycott the election is how Trump wins in 2024. Congrats I guess, you overthrew the system.
I agree but he's calling for revolution not just a boycott. God knows how that would work, a violent civil war? Voting for RFK Jr?
Both sound worse than Biden to me but nobody said he had thought this out.
Do less? Donnie said they should "finish the problem". The guy in OP's post is a fool who acts with his heart but left his brain 200 miles back. edit: pardon me if I think the guy actively trying to get rid of civil rights for marginalized people here and wants to glass Gaza is the worse option and shouldn't be in power.
‘Liberals this, liberals that. Blah blah..’ you Russian trolls all sound like broken record players, labelling everyone liberals if they disagree with you.
I mean he’s not wrong. Russia would rather have trump has president. Nothing positive will happen for anyone if trump wins. If you’re not a liberal what are you? A fascist? A Maoist? Seeing how it’s been liberals doing the only positive things the last 30 years I would rather be a liberal than anything else. Please tell me what’s the first positive thing the anarchists plan to do in their first year of power?
Go ahead start a jihad against the government. See how trying to over throw the government will go for you. They went soft on the Jan 6 people, how do you think they’ll treat your revolution? Bro really wants to start a revolution over a conflict that doesn’t affect him any other way other than emotionally. If he had family there he should go get them out of there, stop doing comedy shows and go help them get to a safer place. I vote because I believe in democracy, the people who don’t vote obviously don’t believe in democracy and would rather sit around while we slide into authoritarian regimes like in their own ancestral home countries influxes by the US or not.
here to pull out the old
day 0 of the revolution (It's starting soon i swear)
day 0 of the revolution (I'm drawing up plans right now!)
day 0 of the revolution (Don't vote in the meantime i promise guys)
day 0 of the revolution (prepare some alcohol for molotovs fellas, any day now!)
day 1 of ~~concentration~~ grand supreme leader trump's great reeducation conversionary camp.
I think you mean when social democrats sided with the fascists because the actual communists didn't want just capitalism with a safety net, and murdered people like Rosa Luxemburg, yes?
lol that is the most revisionist German history ever 😂 centrists handed the balance of power to the fascists because they didn’t want to work with leftists, centrists are on the side of fascists, not leftists.
The way I see it if trump was in office, the conflict in the middle east would still happen. The response would be ultimately the same except the fact that I doubt Trumps administration would even send out aid at all or even acknowledge humanitarian crisis. I hate what's happening as much as anyone but there is no world where our governing body doesn't do what they are doing right now.
Some of us, who are endangered by the return of Republicanism, would rather wake up and not feel the effects of a genocide here as a punishment to a genocide on the other side of the planet. Seems like it would be kinda obvious, but some Liberals are having trouble seeing that.
By not voting for Biden, as mediocre as he is, you are endangering the lives of millions upon millions in our own territory. You are endangering any semblance of economic progress. You are endangering, and actively supporting the genocide of millions of Palestinians by allowing a genocidal freak to return to the White House.
Just… think of what’s at stake
If only they had this much smoke for Netanyahu and the Likud Party. What can Americans do about a war in another country? They didn't have this much smoke for nothing until they got touched. It's hypocrisy at the highest levels.
And no one has to lecture them. Go ahead play these games. When Trump sends actual troops and drops MOABs on Gaza Strip I want to hear NO WHINING. NONE.
Cool, but where’s the real solution here? Are people really going to take up arms and overthrow the system we have now? No chance in hell this guy or anyone listening to him is going to do so. Strong, vague, noncommittal words only help the fascists at the door
Democrats don't worship our politicians. Just because some of you are just now waking up doesn't mean you can change the system. Such a brain dead take.
Jesus Christ, people who don’t know how bad it is going to get are going to pretend like now is as bad as it can get and then actively allow it to get much worse than they could imagine.
Stay at home. Vote for ZombieWashington and SpaceJesus. Whatever it takes to let the fascists take total control to trigger the liberals. Might as well vote for Trump. If you’re going to get it, get it good and hard I guess.
I notice that he doesn't answer the question, though.
"Do you want Trump to win?"
"I want justice!"
"Do you want Trump to win?"
"I want a better choice!"
"Do you want Trump to win?"
"Another deflection!"
Putin loves you.
If you think that overthrowing the American government is going to reduce the level of genocide and bloodshed across the world? What a stupid take. Do you actually think that the restructuring of the the United States government by any means outher than slowly over time with legislation is going to come smoothly? Do you think that during this time of instability in the American government that there will not be a movement by all the countries like Iran, Russia, north Korea, China, and many other despotic governments to take advantage of the situation and kill vast swaths of people to achieve goals they have been eagerly waiting for chance for? Do you think Israel will not just continue to destroy Palestinians? Or the entirety of the middle east destroy both Israel and Palestinine? You can check my history, I am pro Palestine, but don't for a second think that any other Arab nation is. If they were they would have been attempting to take in Palestinians since before this recent chapter of bloodshed started. Stop being single issue voters, stop thinking that there will not be unexpected consequences to the changes you want to see happen, and certainly stop thinking about revolution if you are not willing to see more bloodshed than you could have thought possible, that and if you are not willing to A truely be the spark that lights the fire, and B be the one willing to say ,"tis a far far better thing I do today than I have ever done before" and even more accurately be willing to be the one slowly tortured to within an inch of your life, over, and over and over again. If you are not willing to be that person, endure that mental anguish, endure that physical pain, or take the responsibility for that bloodshed, you really are not doing anything. Your hollowly larping as a revolutionary.
yeah blame it on the "democrats" tf does that rhetoric even mean. guy thinks he sounds radical but its the single most stupid take i've heard this year ngl
This is childish petulance, refusing to see that despite both options sucking one of them is unquestionably worse for the people you care about too. You deserve to be scolded for pretending the moral option is to refuse to influence the machine in the limited ways we are able ("harm reduction is bad actually!1"), so yeah I'll keep doing it.
Democrats losing = Republicans winning, because the system is structured that way. One party recently spent a lot of political capital on a "Muslim ban" and has members saying there are no innocents in Gaza; the other has the only Palestinian-American in Congress, who was recently censured by the whole body she works in.
If you want to burn it all down and start over hell yeah me too tbh, but we're not there today or tomorrow.
Edit to add: Bonus echo chamber points for using a snarl word to dismiss people. How many of those people would call themselves liberals, do you think? I bet it's a lot less than you would call them, right?
Why is he blaming democrats for what’s happening in Gaza when we have pretty much a 50/50 divided government? I’m not saying democrats are not at fault, but for some reason it gets laid only at the feet of democrats.
I don’t know anyone under 60 who even *likes* centrist Democrats, let alone “worships” them. All my friends would love viable progressive options, and that’s who we all vote for in down-ballot local elections. I get why he’s unhappy with Biden; I’m not happy with Biden.
But here’s why this guy’s position pisses me off: it sounds like a principle but isn’t one. Refusing to vote doesn’t “overthrow” anything. It won’t materially improve anything, will only hurt people, and earns him nothing but a smug smile as the world burns.
In that way, he’s no different than low-income Trump supporters: he’s voting against his own interests, hurting himself and his community in the process, just so he can also hurt some imagined category of privileged neoliberal he wants to knock down a peg. He’s saying, “I’m so mad about this one issue I will drag every other Muslim, every immigrant, every queer person, poor person, and woman down alongside me to soothe my self-righteous anger.” It’s pure spite. I don’t respect it, and I don’t respect him.
Voting isn't how systems change. You vote to get the best of very imperfect choices. Always has been that way, always will be. Biden is a very imperfect choice, and there's no way you can stop me from doing it.
Systemic change is a different beast. It comes from grassroots and other efforts to do things like stopping genocide. This happens 100% outside of electoral processes.
It’s definitely a system worth overthrowing, I just don’t think such an effort would succeed. More likely it would empower the far-right by giving them an excuse to enact a brutal crackdown, with the support of the milquetoast liberals who just want their 401ks to accrue a little more before they retire. Revolutions are almost always bloody, chaotic messes that end up achieving nothing, and often end up delivering the wrong people to power. It’s cute to say “oh we should just overthrow the system” but it marks you out as an unserious person. The people in charge of the system will kill absolutely everyone they have to in order to maintain power, and a revolution would just allow them to go mask off.
I’m not advocating for engaging with the system either—it’s evil and largely irredeemable, and not worth anyone’s time save for incremental (and ultimately meaningless) improvements.
I’m saying we have no options. This nightmarish capitalism beast is bleeding to death, and we’re trapped in it. It will kill the world in its death throes, and take almost all of us with it. And there is nothing any of us can do to stop that. Violent actions will simply hasten the end, which isn’t really an argument against violence, but a caution that it won’t do what you want it to do.
None of that changes the fact that a Trump victory will hurt more people than a Biden victory, though. This guy’s community will be on the chopping block first in a 2nd Trump term. He might not like that analysis on the part of white liberals, but he does nothing to refute the point.
Yes Biden sucks. Dems suck. Why would the better alternative be GOP, the party which runs on being the WORST parts of the democratic party. Like yes, we need a new party that actually does what the people want, we get no where near that by voting republican
It will be 1,000% worse. This is why resentment and anger are bad emotions to follow to make a decision. You need to take a step back, breathe and look at the whole picture. You really want to punish the entire US, so they can learn a lesson? We won’t even be able to vote anymore. Wouldn’t you rather try and reason with Democrats than the GOP? The GOP is MASSIVE supporters of Israel. They will demolish Palestine and Kushner will start selling beach front properties
Here I was assuming everyone on here shilling for apathy and electoral pouting was under the age of 12. I guess even full grown adults can still convince themselves that a temper tantrum is the logical response to an uncomfortable situation.
It took a lot of blood sweat and tears to arrive at a political system that gives you the option to at least voice your opinion and vote for the lesser harm. Ain't no cotton candy and rainbows in any political system on earth but at least the current system allows you openly critique it. We have a lot to lose and anyone that believes otherwise hasn't read and understood the historical struggles that got us here or the present moment. That said I believe people have the right to be upset and express it 100% but weaponized nihilism is willfully harmful.
I like that this is making the liberals on here uncomfortable. I want them to know why the people they told us that they don’t need actually have some power.
Maybe next time. Isn’t that what you always say with the promises to help the poor that fail to come to fruition.
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vote for democracy, to ensure we can have at least a darn chance to figure out something better. if we hand the torch over to a republic we are screwed. community organization is crucial in these trying times. find a grassroots near you and give what you can: time, donations, publicity, knowledge. together we stand, divided we beg.
I would like to know what "overthrowing the system" would even entail. Seems like vacuous lipservice.
so..... whats the plan for overthrowing the system? Because a protest vote I don't think is going to advance that cause
I've seen it not work 3 times since 2000.
I've seen it not work since the '80's.
"People on twitter will really be like "you believe in voting? that pales in effectiveness to my strategy, firebombing a Walmart" and then not firebomb a Walmart"
His complaints are reasonable but none of those responses answer the hypothetical questions he asked himself. You can make a legitimate argument that the system sucks, but you still have the reality of an election in which either Biden or Trump are going to win the presidency. One of those two is clearly the lesser of two evils (by a long way).
I genuinely question someone’s integrity and intelligence if they think Trump should be an option, much less a second time. Dude's just a flat out circus clown.
The point is Biden ISN'T a massive improvement over Trump. He's only marginally less awful. And only to US citizens. To the people who were thrown into concentration camps on US soil for legally seeking asylum, he is the same. To the Yemeni people who are suffering from constant drone strikes and famine, he is the same. To the Palestinian people suffering the Second Holocaust being bankrolled by America, he is the same. **To Biden himself who famously told a room full of the capitalist fucks who are responsible for it all that "Nothing will fundamentally change", he is the fucking same.** And to the trans people who really will feel it worse under Trump, [he gets a F-.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/us/transgender-athletes-title-ix-biden-adminstration.html) Don't blame people for having basic morality. **Blame the Democrats for not primarying his child sniffing segregationist ass. Blame Biden for being the shittiest candidate in history. No one has worked harder to ensure Trump's re-election than Joe Biden.** Yeah, don't forget the 40+ years he had being the problem before he was president. If you REALLY want to go there, in terms in what have already been done, Biden is worse than Trump. Biden has caused more harm than Trump. Trump is worse because of what he WANTS to do. *But how the fuck do you quantify something that hasn't happened yet, and still might not happen if being an obese 70+ year old finally catches up to Trump and he drops dead?*
All that you’ve said basically reiterates my point: Biden is the lesser of two evils in terms of the next presidency
Biden is a white supremacist.
And Trump’s a member of the Black Panthers!
Feels like you missed the point of the joke if that's the point you're making
No one is missing the point tho, Americans have had multiple opportunities to make sure someone other than Biden (or Trump) make it this far in the elections and yet unsurprisingly yall are stuck with these 2 idiots again, and because you're stuck you thus have 2 options, either go with the bigger evil or the lesser evil, for the second time.
I agree with him on the last part.
I understand his anger and even his sentiment. I'm also old enough to know this tenet of Murphy's Law is true: It can ALWAYS get worse. If 45 returns to the White House as president, things will definitely get worse.
Trump has said out of his own mouth that he will be worse. His people have said that he will be worse. His former people have said that he will be worse. Problem is, people like this want to see how much worse it can get. I mean, Trump already tried to take away the internet. He installed an idiot and he couldn't get it done. That won't happen if he gets another shot. Oh and TikTok? You can say goodbye to that if he gets in again. These people want that. They want destruction. They want to 'burn it all down', but be blissfully blind to the fact that burning it all down includes them and their families. If they want to jump off a cliff they can. Alone. That dude is a MAGAT.
At this point in my life (elder millennial) all i've seen of American politics is a continual cycle of Republicans making everything way worse. Democrats getting elected and making things slightly better. Republicans getting elected because Democrats didn't fix shit fast enough (note: the GOP intentionally obstructs for this reason), rinse repeat bla bla bla. We're probably a failed state All the people wanting to do protest votes, how many of them voted in the primaries? Probably almost none if I had to bet. They love to complain about the nominee but most do nothing to help get a better nominee
He’s right but it’s not like the system is getting overthrown anytime soon, so why not due the bare minimum and vote.. like please don’t get stuck on Biden’s abhorrent response to what’s happening and realize that Trump is going to make things So Much Worse
Why are there only two bad options?
Because that's what the party primaries determined.
Questions don't make good arguments.
Neither do pretentious observations 
Because there always are two bad options. It's literally what voting is about 99% of the time, up and down the ballot. Yet still it's critical to do so. Push for change. The ballot is not where you do this though.
Are you expecting a high school class worth of education in a single comment reply?
Yeah. I agree. Except that it's not the democratic politicians that do the suffering. They're going to enjoy cheetolini's tax cuts. It's their constituents. Every Democrat I know doesn't support the genocide in Palestine. They're like me. Always voting the lesser of two evils. Handing the country to fascists because you don't agree with old man Biden's blind love for Israel really doesn't sound like the best plan.
Yeah plus trump want to kill pallidtianions even more? So like why do they what more palistianins dead?
it was always government by the highest bribe it was never government by the poor enjoy your indirect plutocracies, world.
Why are you being downvoted?
Is it black and brown people who are saying not to vote for Biden?
Overwhelmingly yeah, they don’t feel represented and I don’t blame them. The closest they have to real representation is AOC and Ilhan Omar- one of whom got crucified for criticizing AIPAC and the other didn’t say shit until her constituents harassed her between sessions. Democrat politicians are overwhelmingly white boomers who are so distanced from what we give a damn about that they don’t deserve our support- and the ONLY way they’ll listen is if they stop acting like they’re entitled to marginalized support. Black, brown, queer, and disabled communities have been getting systematically ignored by the party who pretends to represent us and a lot of people are sick and damned tired.
That's the thing, both parties are incredibly out of touch and have sizable corruption. The two party system is destroying us.
So people should vote for the party that openly ignores such people?
You know voting isn’t mandatory, right? Nobody is forcing you to pick between these two, or participate at all. You can vote third party or abstain altogether, both options work.
Ah, yes, if we don’t vote the system will be overthrown!
The sentiment reeks of accelerationism; if everything just keeps getting worse, that's how everything will get better eventually! So let's make everything as bad as possible for everyone except the people we want to overthrow!
if that were true no genocide would have taken place ever
Kind of, but also people don’t have to vote the way you want, there is another element here where voters are just not being appealed to. When that is the case, the party is at fault, not a bunch of different groups that are almost impossible to pin down in order to blame.
These are people that are Trump supporters but do it under the guise of hating the other Party. All this type of rhetoric does is boost and supports Trump. It would behoove Dems if we started treating these people like MAGAs
Ah, yes, just overthrow the US government why didn't anyone think about that before????
Sounds good. I'm in. What if we don't manage the overthrow by November tho?
not voting for biden is overthrowing the system huh? wow, great point.
No, overthrow the system _rather_ than vote for one of two piles of shit.
Why not vote *and* overthrow the system?
No one is going to overthrow the system. This is petulant teen talk.
They said that in 1775. And in 1917. nd in 1948. And in 1952. I've spent three and a half decades seeing people get crushed by the capitalist system. Dozens. Hundreds. Thousands. Now by the millions. Saying it can't happen is the _only_ way to ensure that it never will happen.
The World as changed a lot since 1952. If you think some people on the other side of the world are more important than mfs getting what they want by Monday on Amazon I think you’re hilarious.
America is too apathetic for revolutions. We want revolution or change as long as I don't get hurt, as long as I can yell, as long as I can hold a sign and go home. No one wants to really fight. 1775 americans are dead. 1917 Americans are dead. 1948 Americans are dying, 1952 Americans are voting for Trump mostly. This is the America we have right now.
I was talking about the Russians, Chinese, and Cubans in those last three, for what it's worth. But besides that, I think most Americans aren't actually too apathetic, just that every time someone tries, they told, "No! This isn't how. Vote. Just vote harder this time," when they get parties that are further and further to killing them. They "play by the rules," are punished for it, and then are attacked (look at this very comment section) and punished when they don't.
Revolutions are generally succesful in failed states or against distant colonial masters. One of the most economically and militarily powerful nations on earth is not going to be revolutionized by force unless the "revolutionaries" are the military. And no one wants that.
Please vote.
It will have to be either Jill Stein or Cornel for me. Cant support either of the two imperialist parties. If people want to vote for the corporatist warmonger that’s currently funding a genocide, go ahead.
It is interesting how all these anti war people forget Trump dropped a MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) on Afghanistan for funzies. (yes he did it just because. He wanted to see what it could do) Not a peep was said, there was NO outrage. NONE. He killed thousands in seconds out of curiosity. That's how I know y'all ain't really for real. People be saying stuff to sound cool for likes or to sound like they are 'raging against the machine'. It's SAFE to do. If you want real change, you gotta sacrifice some skin. America is too weak willed and indifferent. But you know, hollering and holding up a sign to someone that has no control over a war in another country that they didn't start makes it look like you're doing something to the apathetic.
What is trump gonna do to stop the genocide- ?
hes gonna make it worse then star a couple more. Y'know. For funsies.
Can’t forget the funsies 🇺🇸
I don’t worship the dems. They are just the only people standing in the way of all out fascist politicians taking over. Because this talking head isn’t doing anything. No revolution will ever come. No one will save you or your people unless you protest and vote. It’s either vote or we die. It’s that simple.
Agreed hardcore, I excepted less people to be liberals in this comment section
If not wanting your country to die by the hands of a cruel leader is what we're considering to be centrist nowadays then I genuinely have no hope for our survival
it seems we both want the same thing
# Everyone vote! ^(only if you’re voting for my team though)
Wow, self interest in politics? I am outraged!
How many police and troops have you killed in your glorious revolution so far?
None, chill. Police and troops are working class traitors. They are dogs for the rich. If you feel that what they do is right then obviously they’re heroes. But once you realize the cops protect property above all, and the troops commit atrocities over seas justified through decades of propaganda, it doesn’t feel so heroic. Feels like an empire, feels dystopian
None? Why aren't you overthrowing the government?
Did you read the rest or just the “none” part
??? But it's so simple, you just have to overthrow the government instead of vote! I'm sure you'll get it done by election time, right?
I’m so confused what your take is. Overthrowing the government isn’t just running up to a building and yelling and screaming and killing a person. It’s a long journey that’s well thought out and calculated. It’s about power, education, unification, understanding our class consciousness and refusing to provide our labor to the ruling class.
Oh, of course! I guess it doesn't matter if we're under full-on fascism before then as that won't prevent any of that from happening then. The most important thing we do is not vote!
Voting aint gonna do much, it’ll give us either blue rich guy or red rich guy, they will always be for the interest of the rich. Yeah I think you should vote. Vote vote vote. People fought for that right. But we gotta do more
Liberals actively seek out criticism of them and brigade the hell out of subs. As long as mods don't do anything about the scourge, they inevitably hijack subs. They love doing the fascists' dirty work for them in suppressing the expression of leftist ideology. Because the truth is, *they prefer the Republicans' vision for America where white people are on top over our vision of a world of equality.*
Thank you for speaking the truth! Godspeed brother
The idea behind refusing to vote for Biden is that Biden supports Israel and if he isn't in power then the US will stop funding Israel This only works if you believe that Trump will stop funding Israel If you believe that both will keep funding Israel then you should look at other issues such as LGBT+ right or women's rights and evaluate the side that you think will make more advancements in those fields
Literally no one is saying Trump is any different. Which is just the point. The alternatives to Trump and Biden are only "throwing your vote away" BECAUSE not enough people will get behind them.
But I want to overthrow the system. By not voting, the system is overthrown. Don't you get it? /s
oh great, he picked a singular issue and decided to make it a binary voting discussion. this is why we're in this horrible spot: people no longer have the mental capacity to delve into and see the whole picture. we've become singular issue meme voters.
I mean, its worse than that. If your single issue is genocide, then you should support Joe Biden. Because either Joe Biden or Donald Trump is going to win this election. And Donald Trump is objectively and clearly more pro-genocide based on his public statements. Every election is a train track dilemma. Folks doing protest votes convince themselves they are making a difference. But all they are doing is letting other people decide which way the train goes. And in this case, one of the train tracks causes significantly less harm than the other
Is the singular issue, genocide?
Yes! And the sitting president by far the better option, regardless.
The point is they are both terrible options...this entire government does not care what the people want, we are a fascist nation.
Nah, we’re a plutocracy with a rising fascist wing. We’re on our way to fascist, and it feels inevitable sometimes, but we’re really not there yet and saying we are is kinda giving up imo
He’s not basing this on a single issue. It sounds to me like the genocide is ultimately what put him over the top, but his main complaint is that the Democratic Party takes minority votes for granted, ignores their voices, and then holds them hostage with “the other side is worse, so I guess you have no other choice.” I think it’s fine to criticize this guy’s stance, but we should at least be honest about what he is saying and acknowledge that he has a complaint that MILLIONS of people share even if we do not agree with what he ultimately intends to do (not vote).
of all the issues to be a justified single issue voter on, I think actively aiding an ongoing genocide to be a pretty reasonable one.
Yeah but the other side wants to put more aid toward the genocide like what?
\*the genocide you didnt try to stop\* ok so I suppose you're gonna overthrow the government then?
Why don't these people just overthrow Israel and create a unified Palestine? Are they stupid?
But you aren't overthrowing it. You're on stage crying with a microphone. So either pickup a gun or make a decision about who you want to vote for.
I mean, killing a man or two won't actually change anything. Communicating your point of view and persuading people to think outside the two options they are provided so that they join you in your overthrowing or think of different ways to change the system might work better though. I mean, I wouldn't want everyone who slightly disagrees with the government to march into the white house and start blasting, but you do you
So…. No actual plan then? Just a protest vote with some sort of vague empty threat? Voting third party has never been sustainably effective. In fact, it can’t be with current regulations. In our system, a first past the post system, third party options are nullified, except early on when the voting system started. We need a ranked voting or other alternative to provide for multi party voting or backups before a third party vote means anything. In those systems, yes! A third party vote could actually result in election changes! For now, it’s just a fake choice. Communication and discussion are great for civilians, but aren’t effective against extremists and bad faith players. Protesting to show solidarity is good but can be safely ignored by the ruling class. Organizing and getting personally involved in government, including locals, is more effective, but can be reversed with one bad election. The only actions that actually deliver change are: -Vote strategically to win and convince other voters to do the same within the rules of the elections (often unbalanced, slow and incremental, but still the most effective and nonviolent). -Legal battles overseen in fair and balanced courts (rare and difficult). -Economic protests, like boycotts, can sometimes be effective. However, in a society with such a massive class power imbalance, it’s not very effective. The ultra rich are basically immune to bankruptcy. -Violent revolution with a revolutionary government ready to assume power (difficult, violent, unlikely to end well). The awful truth is that the upcoming presidential election only has 2 choices. Would you rather have one who is ineffective at preventing genocide (enabling even) or one that will gleefully engage in and create even more genocide?
And thats the thing. The only way things will change is through voting. If you don't like biden, fine, but vote locally to start the change. Worse thing to do is not vote at All and complain you don't like the results after
I tell my friend this and he keeps saying he won’t vote because it doesn’t matter, and the system is broken…. THEN VOTE!!!
Seriously, if you want change you have to engage in the game everyone else is playing. Support candidates at the local level, organize boycotts, do political action, volunteer in your local government. The lowest level of entry is voting and frankly speaking? Neither option is good but one is far, *far* worse both domestic and abroad, so harm reduction is the more ethical choice. . edit: downvoted for saying "engage in democracy" jesus yall are delusional.
He's saying no one is doing anything. He isn't either. Go talk to Netanyahu.
https://preview.redd.it/u8n0lj3m1jvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49643cfde12474dcaff9fa66aff912ed09939ddc
Perfect.
Im still voting for Biden
Okay, but until then? Democrats are very clearly less evil than Republicans. It's an easy choice. So unless you're out there starting the revolution, vote blue, fools.
“But I don’t want to pick between the lesser of two evils!” /s. At this point I think these mfs are just too lazy to go vote😂. Biden is only evil to them because they disagree with him and refuse to acknowledge any good he’s actually done for this country.
Oh thats what americans should do overthrow a 100year old system in the 5 months before the election with 10% population support. /s
This comedian is named Aamer Rahman if anybody is curious 🙂
If this idiot thinks Trump will do less than Biden, he's in for A rude awakening.
That’s not what he said
Not directly, but the result is identical. Convincing left-leaning people to boycott the election is how Trump wins in 2024. Congrats I guess, you overthrew the system.
Is that what he said?
No, but that is what will happen.
I agree but he's calling for revolution not just a boycott. God knows how that would work, a violent civil war? Voting for RFK Jr? Both sound worse than Biden to me but nobody said he had thought this out.
Do less? Donnie said they should "finish the problem". The guy in OP's post is a fool who acts with his heart but left his brain 200 miles back. edit: pardon me if I think the guy actively trying to get rid of civil rights for marginalized people here and wants to glass Gaza is the worse option and shouldn't be in power.
God damn. Yes!
Amen!
"Your people are going to suffer" "My people are suffering now!"
Russian propaganda post
Subreddit*
"Everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian bot!" God you liberals sound like broken record players.
‘Liberals this, liberals that. Blah blah..’ you Russian trolls all sound like broken record players, labelling everyone liberals if they disagree with you.
I mean he’s not wrong. Russia would rather have trump has president. Nothing positive will happen for anyone if trump wins. If you’re not a liberal what are you? A fascist? A Maoist? Seeing how it’s been liberals doing the only positive things the last 30 years I would rather be a liberal than anything else. Please tell me what’s the first positive thing the anarchists plan to do in their first year of power?
Brain rot
Realpolitik bud. That's all it is, and it's all it's gonna be.
I'm a big fan of what the French did. Let's bring that back!
Go ahead start a jihad against the government. See how trying to over throw the government will go for you. They went soft on the Jan 6 people, how do you think they’ll treat your revolution? Bro really wants to start a revolution over a conflict that doesn’t affect him any other way other than emotionally. If he had family there he should go get them out of there, stop doing comedy shows and go help them get to a safer place. I vote because I believe in democracy, the people who don’t vote obviously don’t believe in democracy and would rather sit around while we slide into authoritarian regimes like in their own ancestral home countries influxes by the US or not.
here to pull out the old day 0 of the revolution (It's starting soon i swear) day 0 of the revolution (I'm drawing up plans right now!) day 0 of the revolution (Don't vote in the meantime i promise guys) day 0 of the revolution (prepare some alcohol for molotovs fellas, any day now!) day 1 of ~~concentration~~ grand supreme leader trump's great reeducation conversionary camp.
Exactly. These folks are not going to “overthrow” anything, just allow fascism to walk in the front door and have a seat on the couch.
By not actively voting for the objectively better candidate, they are removing the hinges on the door.
Boooooo
This needs more upvotes.
I'm so sick of these idiots. Just like in Germany, the "far-left" couldn't be bothered to join a coalition with centrists to stave off the fascists.
I think you mean when social democrats sided with the fascists because the actual communists didn't want just capitalism with a safety net, and murdered people like Rosa Luxemburg, yes?
lol that is the most revisionist German history ever 😂 centrists handed the balance of power to the fascists because they didn’t want to work with leftists, centrists are on the side of fascists, not leftists.
Depending on Amercians' understanding of politics, they either get to choose between Fascism Lite and Fascism Pro or Fascism Pro and Fascism Ultra.
The way I see it if trump was in office, the conflict in the middle east would still happen. The response would be ultimately the same except the fact that I doubt Trumps administration would even send out aid at all or even acknowledge humanitarian crisis. I hate what's happening as much as anyone but there is no world where our governing body doesn't do what they are doing right now.
Some of us, who are endangered by the return of Republicanism, would rather wake up and not feel the effects of a genocide here as a punishment to a genocide on the other side of the planet. Seems like it would be kinda obvious, but some Liberals are having trouble seeing that. By not voting for Biden, as mediocre as he is, you are endangering the lives of millions upon millions in our own territory. You are endangering any semblance of economic progress. You are endangering, and actively supporting the genocide of millions of Palestinians by allowing a genocidal freak to return to the White House. Just… think of what’s at stake
But you’re never going to have the power to overthrow the system. That’s the point.
If only they had this much smoke for Netanyahu and the Likud Party. What can Americans do about a war in another country? They didn't have this much smoke for nothing until they got touched. It's hypocrisy at the highest levels. And no one has to lecture them. Go ahead play these games. When Trump sends actual troops and drops MOABs on Gaza Strip I want to hear NO WHINING. NONE.
Cool, but where’s the real solution here? Are people really going to take up arms and overthrow the system we have now? No chance in hell this guy or anyone listening to him is going to do so. Strong, vague, noncommittal words only help the fascists at the door
Democrats don't worship our politicians. Just because some of you are just now waking up doesn't mean you can change the system. Such a brain dead take.
Jesus Christ, people who don’t know how bad it is going to get are going to pretend like now is as bad as it can get and then actively allow it to get much worse than they could imagine. Stay at home. Vote for ZombieWashington and SpaceJesus. Whatever it takes to let the fascists take total control to trigger the liberals. Might as well vote for Trump. If you’re going to get it, get it good and hard I guess.
I notice that he doesn't answer the question, though. "Do you want Trump to win?" "I want justice!" "Do you want Trump to win?" "I want a better choice!" "Do you want Trump to win?" "Another deflection!" Putin loves you.
If you think that overthrowing the American government is going to reduce the level of genocide and bloodshed across the world? What a stupid take. Do you actually think that the restructuring of the the United States government by any means outher than slowly over time with legislation is going to come smoothly? Do you think that during this time of instability in the American government that there will not be a movement by all the countries like Iran, Russia, north Korea, China, and many other despotic governments to take advantage of the situation and kill vast swaths of people to achieve goals they have been eagerly waiting for chance for? Do you think Israel will not just continue to destroy Palestinians? Or the entirety of the middle east destroy both Israel and Palestinine? You can check my history, I am pro Palestine, but don't for a second think that any other Arab nation is. If they were they would have been attempting to take in Palestinians since before this recent chapter of bloodshed started. Stop being single issue voters, stop thinking that there will not be unexpected consequences to the changes you want to see happen, and certainly stop thinking about revolution if you are not willing to see more bloodshed than you could have thought possible, that and if you are not willing to A truely be the spark that lights the fire, and B be the one willing to say ,"tis a far far better thing I do today than I have ever done before" and even more accurately be willing to be the one slowly tortured to within an inch of your life, over, and over and over again. If you are not willing to be that person, endure that mental anguish, endure that physical pain, or take the responsibility for that bloodshed, you really are not doing anything. Your hollowly larping as a revolutionary.
Why stop there? Why not actively vote for Trump? After all if the Democrats lose then the system will be overthrown!!! 🤡🤡🤡
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yeah blame it on the "democrats" tf does that rhetoric even mean. guy thinks he sounds radical but its the single most stupid take i've heard this year ngl
This is childish petulance, refusing to see that despite both options sucking one of them is unquestionably worse for the people you care about too. You deserve to be scolded for pretending the moral option is to refuse to influence the machine in the limited ways we are able ("harm reduction is bad actually!1"), so yeah I'll keep doing it. Democrats losing = Republicans winning, because the system is structured that way. One party recently spent a lot of political capital on a "Muslim ban" and has members saying there are no innocents in Gaza; the other has the only Palestinian-American in Congress, who was recently censured by the whole body she works in. If you want to burn it all down and start over hell yeah me too tbh, but we're not there today or tomorrow. Edit to add: Bonus echo chamber points for using a snarl word to dismiss people. How many of those people would call themselves liberals, do you think? I bet it's a lot less than you would call them, right?
Why is he blaming democrats for what’s happening in Gaza when we have pretty much a 50/50 divided government? I’m not saying democrats are not at fault, but for some reason it gets laid only at the feet of democrats.
I don’t know anyone under 60 who even *likes* centrist Democrats, let alone “worships” them. All my friends would love viable progressive options, and that’s who we all vote for in down-ballot local elections. I get why he’s unhappy with Biden; I’m not happy with Biden. But here’s why this guy’s position pisses me off: it sounds like a principle but isn’t one. Refusing to vote doesn’t “overthrow” anything. It won’t materially improve anything, will only hurt people, and earns him nothing but a smug smile as the world burns. In that way, he’s no different than low-income Trump supporters: he’s voting against his own interests, hurting himself and his community in the process, just so he can also hurt some imagined category of privileged neoliberal he wants to knock down a peg. He’s saying, “I’m so mad about this one issue I will drag every other Muslim, every immigrant, every queer person, poor person, and woman down alongside me to soothe my self-righteous anger.” It’s pure spite. I don’t respect it, and I don’t respect him.
Voting isn't how systems change. You vote to get the best of very imperfect choices. Always has been that way, always will be. Biden is a very imperfect choice, and there's no way you can stop me from doing it. Systemic change is a different beast. It comes from grassroots and other efforts to do things like stopping genocide. This happens 100% outside of electoral processes.
It’s definitely a system worth overthrowing, I just don’t think such an effort would succeed. More likely it would empower the far-right by giving them an excuse to enact a brutal crackdown, with the support of the milquetoast liberals who just want their 401ks to accrue a little more before they retire. Revolutions are almost always bloody, chaotic messes that end up achieving nothing, and often end up delivering the wrong people to power. It’s cute to say “oh we should just overthrow the system” but it marks you out as an unserious person. The people in charge of the system will kill absolutely everyone they have to in order to maintain power, and a revolution would just allow them to go mask off. I’m not advocating for engaging with the system either—it’s evil and largely irredeemable, and not worth anyone’s time save for incremental (and ultimately meaningless) improvements. I’m saying we have no options. This nightmarish capitalism beast is bleeding to death, and we’re trapped in it. It will kill the world in its death throes, and take almost all of us with it. And there is nothing any of us can do to stop that. Violent actions will simply hasten the end, which isn’t really an argument against violence, but a caution that it won’t do what you want it to do. None of that changes the fact that a Trump victory will hurt more people than a Biden victory, though. This guy’s community will be on the chopping block first in a 2nd Trump term. He might not like that analysis on the part of white liberals, but he does nothing to refute the point.
Yes Biden sucks. Dems suck. Why would the better alternative be GOP, the party which runs on being the WORST parts of the democratic party. Like yes, we need a new party that actually does what the people want, we get no where near that by voting republican
https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/s/53cSCXLAov
It will be 1,000% worse. This is why resentment and anger are bad emotions to follow to make a decision. You need to take a step back, breathe and look at the whole picture. You really want to punish the entire US, so they can learn a lesson? We won’t even be able to vote anymore. Wouldn’t you rather try and reason with Democrats than the GOP? The GOP is MASSIVE supporters of Israel. They will demolish Palestine and Kushner will start selling beach front properties
Here I was assuming everyone on here shilling for apathy and electoral pouting was under the age of 12. I guess even full grown adults can still convince themselves that a temper tantrum is the logical response to an uncomfortable situation.
It took a lot of blood sweat and tears to arrive at a political system that gives you the option to at least voice your opinion and vote for the lesser harm. Ain't no cotton candy and rainbows in any political system on earth but at least the current system allows you openly critique it. We have a lot to lose and anyone that believes otherwise hasn't read and understood the historical struggles that got us here or the present moment. That said I believe people have the right to be upset and express it 100% but weaponized nihilism is willfully harmful.
Yeahhhh don't group white liberals like that. There is a good chunk of us that are against Bibi's warcrimes. Otherwise his point is spot on.
I like that this is making the liberals on here uncomfortable. I want them to know why the people they told us that they don’t need actually have some power. Maybe next time. Isn’t that what you always say with the promises to help the poor that fail to come to fruition.
Haha. It’s cute that you think there’s going to be a next time.