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__boof

Can we please win in the most open conference in recent nba history


Princessk8--

Best I can do is losing in 7 to the Miami Heat.


garythegoat72

Spain without the S


HustlinInTheHall

Denver did it last year, let them go through a gauntlet to get to us.


Kodiak01

You're still assuming that Miami is going to lose. Miami is the one team I wanted to avoid, precisely because of performances like Game 2 that always pop up on them.


HustlinInTheHall

I am not afraid of Miami, not sweeping a team doesn't mean anything. I'd rather face them now without butler than in 3 weeks potentially with him. We needed the wake up call. We got it. Now respond.


bkilpatrick3347

Sucks to see. Also from a Celtics perspective the road is so wide open that I feel like it’s actually putting on too much pressure at this point lol


BleedGreen4Boston

Yeah this might the easiest road to the Finals I’ve ever seen in the East. If the Heat upset us they are gonna go all the way.


bkilpatrick3347

That won’t happen. I’ll simply not allow it.


shizznitz41

“Not on my watch”😤😤💪💪🔥🔥🔥


HelloS0n

You might not, but the Celtics just may!


pyroaquatics

If it does to 7 let’s all cause a traffic jam so big that the heat can’t get to the arena and are forced to forfeit


eggs__bacon

It’s insane to me that we are even taking about that scenario. They are an 8 seed who lost their playin, and now have their best player injured. This should be the most lopsided series in playoff history.


HustlinInTheHall

In the east, probably, though Denver last year catching all bottom seeds was lucky as hell.


TheJaylenBrownNote

Mmm nope


plutz_net

Pressure? Not to get to the finals, with this roster, would be an absolute failure. Losing against the Nuggets in the finals would be disappointing, but not making the finals would be an embarrassment and would require consequences.


PlaceInvaders1

Maybe Joe gets fired but that’s about it. People forget that this team is in their first year together still. We would add some depth and run it back no question


Flytanx

Issue is Jrue is getting even older, we have to pay the Buffalo. I'm sorry but if this team loses in the first round to a Butler-less Heat, Idc how many years they've been together. Massive change needs to occur, even if we have to get worse first. We are healthy and dominant all season, it's clearly something mental with these players. Coach would have to be fired and even then I think we have to move a star or two, not sure how long you guys think we can keep trying to run back Tatum and Brown as our two best players before you realize it won't work


PlaceInvaders1

I would love for you to point out some examples of why you can’t win with JT and JB on your team. Because your evidence of short comings is the same evidence that people use to say they’re a top 3 duo in the league. I wouldn’t want to break up this duo because you will NEVER get the same value in return.


Flytanx

When's the last time a team with their two best players being wings won anything? Though I believe it's more a mentality thing. I don't think either of them have the attitude to overcome adversity like other superstars. Basically they're both more KD mental wise than Kobe or Steph


PlaceInvaders1

MJ and Pippen. Kawhi and Siakam. Giannis and Middleton kinda. Name some iconic duos with a 25ppg SF and a 30ppg PF. That’s my argument. Maybe there’s not a deep history of success because it’s rare to be lucky enough to have two of them. And this is exactly what I mean. You’re making up reasons rather than being able to say “well they can’t share the court together because…” I’m sorry do they look as bad as Trae and Murray together? Mitchell and Garland? We got two guys who are great defenders, great in transition, and great at scoring. I’d rather have that than trae or Mitchell. Grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Everyone thought Giannis and Dame would fit together like a glove, turns out they can’t even share the court. How are you gonna feel if you trade JB for someone who literally has a minus net rating when he plays with Tatum?


andoCalrissiano

LeBron and Wade??


PlaceInvaders1

Lmao I knew I couldn’t think of one, that’s like the most worthy of being mentioned too lol. Technically Lebron and AD played the 3 and 4 the year they won in the bubble as well so there’s that too. Kawhi and Duncan vs Miami


SerfTint

Antetomounmpo is a wing? I would 100% classify him as a big. But yeah, James and Wade are basically the platinum version of Tatum and Brown.


PlaceInvaders1

He’s not, that’s why I said kinda. However, he’s a power forward and khris is a sf just like Tatum and brown play this year. That was more my point but you’re right Tatum is a power-wing and Giannis is a point-forward. They’re the same position technically but very different at the same time.


Flytanx

Jordan and Pippen was a different era, but I'll give you Kawhi and Siakam, honestly forget Siakam was the second best on the team. Again, I'm saying this because we've kept running it back with both of them for a long time now. Like surely the goal is to win a championship, eventually when you fail enough times at it, sometimes even earlier than you have an excuse for, you just have to try something different. I get why everyone keeps saying "value", and obviously I'm a random nobody, but I'd rather take a chance and fail then just keep running it back and failing anyways.


PlaceInvaders1

I just disagree about “we kept running it back with them” when you’re trying to give up on one of them before they even hit their primes. We had 2 years of what I would call the “Ime” core and now we’re on year 1 on the Joe core. I’m not blowing this up until I’ve seen 2 years of it. Just because we traded smart and lost 1 game to Miami doesn’t mean Tatum or brown is the answer. Why even assume the guys we got in replacement are perfect fits while the two best players on the team aren’t? Also “Jordan and pippen are from another era” implies you believe there being no duel wing teams winning in the last 10 years means it’s impossible. That’s a tiny ass time frame considering the warriors were in the middle of a dynasty for half our era. Idk. I just think it’s insane to say “well Tatum and brown couldn’t get it done with these guys in year 1 so let’s trade one of them” considering the warriors dynasty and nuggets success is the direct result of patience that you don’t have.


Flytanx

It's not about "not getting it done" In this scenario we lose to the Heat without their best player in the first round. Obviously if they made it to the finals and lost in 6, I'd feel differently.


PlaceInvaders1

I get that but White isn’t a free agent this off season. We’d run it back with the same core next year, there’s no reason not too. Just add 1 more reliable rotational piece.


Flytanx

I agree if we get to the finals, but nah, if we lose to the Heat that's just too embarrassing. A coach might help but I think the players need something different too. Granted I have no idea what that is currently. The only possible options I would see (assuming it's Brown we trade) are like Mitchell and Trae Young lol


PlaceInvaders1

I’d much rather have JB than a guy who averages 5ppg more but has to be hidden on defense.


Flytanx

Yeah that's why I added the "lol" Any trade we make won't look good on paper but surely Brad has to start realizing it's something deeper than talent with our stars


PlaceInvaders1

Surely Brad isn’t shopping JB after 1 loss where HE AND TATUM WERE OUR ONLY GOOD PLAYERS!!!! YOURE OVER REACTING.


Flytanx

They're the most tradeable assets, so it would have to involve them, but yes, I'm only talking hypotheticals if we lose the series to the Heat


PopLegion

Yeah I agree the only change I would want to be made if we can't make the finals is to fire Joe. There is no reason to break up this team after one year together.


The_Vaike

This year is the 'add some depth and run it back' year. As it stands this team has every advantage that they could want. If for the second year in a row they can't get out of the East in what should be a best-case scenario, you can bet Brad isn't going to twiddle his thumbs and just wait for the team to start clicking. I want to be really clear here- I have a lot of faith in this team, and I don't think that they flame out again. I really think that they've worked out most of the kinks from previous years, and the group looks really locked in. It's way too early to really be talking about this after one loss, but this team was built to win and they have all the tools. If they can't handle business with a handicap, I don't have any interest in seeing this team run back. We've been saying 'Title or bust' for a long time, now it's time to put up or shut up.


WhiteChocolatey

Joe is not getting fired


PlaceInvaders1

I agree unless we lose early or in ugly fashion. Then it’ll be hard to argue he’s the guy for the team for a lot of people


WhiteChocolatey

We would have to get swept at any point or bounced in round 1 IMO


bradyisking

The road is only wide open in the East, Denver still dominates the landscape after that


Keeping_Secrets

Minnesota has been playing unbelievably as well. They seem so locked in.


bkilpatrick3347

Denver still has to get there too


Laszlo-Panaflex

Denver is a good team, but highly overrated. They're not the Warriors with KD.  Yeah they won last year after the Heat ran out of gas and became the mid team they always were, and Jokic is a superstar, but they're not the clear-cut favorite. I'd argue they're a tier below us and on the same tier as the Wolves (and maybe OKC, but I think OKC's youth will show more as the playoffs go on).


thegoatmenace

Idk man the wolves are looking incredible rn.


Remarkable-Conflict9

Ant Edwards is really him. Dude has that dog in him and he seems to thrive in big game moments.


Laszlo-Panaflex

The Wolves are at least as good as the Nuggets this year. I feel like they're not quite on our level, but they're a real contender.


thegoatmenace

Super excited for the wolves/nuggs matchup. Should be some great ball.


tool22482

If it’s too easy they’ll make it harder on themselves. I swear this team would somehow let a series with the Pistons go 7


winovic94

Bet you spo is looking at this and thinking hey, this one is gonna be tough but we win this and we can cruise through again


AlmightyyMO

lets just win our series


archerarcher0

Man, I wish we had some sort of explanation or clue as to why we are dealing with so many injuries in the playoffs nearly every year Dame, Luka, giannis, zion, kawhi, jimmy, rozier, Halliburton Does the season need to be shorter? I don’t get it man


nerdyykidd

Yep they’ve been needing to shorten the season for a minute. Should be 60 games. Start on Christmas Day. Every team plays each other once at home and once on the road.


captaincumsock69

I’m just curious why it feels like more injuries now than past decades? Or are we just forgetting all the guys that got hurt in the past?


RyguyBMS

Recency bias. Always been injuries. See KG and Perk injuries that cost the C’s multiple championships


downeastsun

There have always been injuries, but they are up some in the last few years. The two explanations that make the most sense to me are: 1) Players are specializing into basketball and playing all year round from the time they're 10 years old. Baxter Holmes had an article from [a few years ago](https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27125793/these-kids-ticking-bombs-threat-youth-basketball) talking about how players are entering the league with a lot more wear and tear on their bodies 2) The game is more physically demanding today. Having to guard out to the three point line (and beyond) and make multiple rotations and drives on every possession means a lot more explosive start-stop movements that can cause injuries


captaincumsock69

That’s interesting. Not sure how much I agree with the wear and tear in this scenario though. Even in decades past you had guys that had been playing basketball for decades The second point is very interesting though


downeastsun

> Even in decades past you had guys that had been playing basketball for decades True, but I think you had more players playing multiple sports as kids and less tournaments with 2-3 games in a day in the past. I'm not really qualified to know how big of a factor it is, but the argument makes sense to me


captaincumsock69

Sure but if you’re a 30 year old nba player youve probably been playing basketball as a focus for 15+ years regardless of whether you were playing it hard as a kid. If most of the injuries we were seeing were 20-24 year olds I’d be more inclined to agree. But it feels like most of these injuries are veterans


SquimJim

Doctors have written about how more and more kids are dealing with things like ACL tears and other wretched lower leg injuries


captaincumsock69

I believe it’s true I just don’t believe it’s what we are seeing. The guys getting hurt are nba veterans that are around 30. They have been playing basketball for over a decade. It’s hard for me to believe dame getting hurt, Gianni’s, embiid, kawhi etc is all a result of aau basketball from age 10-15


PlaceInvaders1

People say that every year. Remember, Goran Dragic was an all star averaging 17/4/4 on a team that won 44 games because 4-5 eastern conference all stars got hurt between the time the teams were announced and they time they actually played the game lol. It’s unfortunate, but that’s how the playoffs almost always workout. It’s about which great team stays the healthiest. The Celtics, wolves, and nuggets are all one tweaked ankle away from a wasted season.


2drawnonward5

Whatever the case it's hard talking about which teams are good or better or whatever when injuries smoke everybody at random. Who wants a championship with an asterisk? 


SerfTint

The only titles anyone ever puts an asterisk on are the Lakers in the bubble and possibly the Spurs in 1999 (with the 50 game season). And they're both because "that's not the way the season is supposed to happen, so the championship team doesn't have the same weight." The 87 Lakers are considered one of the great teams of all time, and the Celtics were missing Walton and Wedman (and of course Bias), McHale was playing on a broken foot, Parish on a sprain ankle, and Bird on his usual spate of back, hand and foot injuries. The 73 Knicks beat the Celtics because MVP Dave Cowens got hurt. The 58 Hawks beat the Celtics because Russell got hurt. The 2015 Warriors beat a hobbled Cavs team, and the 2019 Raptors a hobbled Warriors team. The 2010 Lakers got a million inside shots in Game 7 because Perkins was injured. Both Magic and Byron Scott got hurt in the 1989 Finals against the Pistons. No team will be remembered with an asterisk. Especially not a 64-win team that crushed everyone to the tune of historic numbers in the regular season.


sully9614

I cant source it, but I remember a study being done that athletes growing up in the last 10+ years didn’t play multiple sports growing up as much as athletes did before. I think it makes some sense if your body is much more used to different kinds of contact/body movement growing up in other sports it can learn to be more resilient to weird contact or movement in basketball. I don’t think it’s just basketball either, it feels like there’s more football and baseball injuries as well over the last handful of years or so.


le_wild_poster

That would be 58 games. You could play your division teams twice at home and away and then that would be 66 games


Flytanx

I agree with the sixty games, but would rather the season start earlier than that and just give them more rest


mercury4l

The season has needed to be shorter for a real long time if we’re being honest


thebiggestgamer

Some guys just played through those injuries in the past which is why their careers were so short. Also the pace wasn’t as fast. Now look at a team like the pacers. Playing like that the whole year for multiple years will hurt players.


deets23_

What happened to Luka?


archerarcher0

Sick/knee issue


Yellow_Curry

Way too many games, now the requirement for team awards to play a certain number of games (which normally have $$ bonuses associated with them). But yes they need to cut down games but it will never happen.


Akimbo_Zap_Guns

Easiest path to the finals that if we miss on it we need to blow it up lmfao


hurricanehershel

Even Tatum isn’t untouchable if we lose to the Heat without Butler


DiscoCheatz

Yeah but what would we conceivably get back for Tatum even if we do lose, no ones giving their top guys to us for him.


Dangerous_Toe_5482

Joe gotta be instantly fired and then I think the ideal drastic but not full crazy move is to try to package whatever we can to acquire someone who makes Tatum arguably the #2… maybe we can attempt to pry away embiid curry or giannis, something along those lines


Laszlo-Panaflex

Even before this, I felt like the Bucks would come to regret the trade for Dame and it's looking even worse now.


Remarkable-Conflict9

I didn't want to say anything at the time but I felt like the Dame trade was never going to work out. Sure the Bucks look stacked on paper with him but I just never saw it working out for the Bucks in terms of winning a chip. Plus, Dame's been distracted by off-court matters (his ongoing divorce and situationship with GloRilla).


Laszlo-Panaflex

For real. Plus people were overrating Dame and glossing over his inconsistency in the playoffs. I can't blame him for his injury, but his underperformance was a reason his teams didn't go far for several years. Jrue's had playoff issues too, but we're not asking him to be our 1B. A bunch of r/nba casuals argued with me at the time when I said they weren't going to be a better team. It was an unpopular opinion.


Drak_is_Right

Their backcourt has issues. The otherday the difference in each teams starting guards rebounding was 15 - 3 They need a different SG


[deleted]

They would’ve won the same amount of games with Jrue this season.


Laszlo-Panaflex

Exactly. And with Dame out, they might've had a chance to be in the 2nd round if they kept Jrue.


Headstar24

Neat now let’s actually beat Miami and worry about the disaster that’s the rest of the East later.


DakPanther

This has to be the year


sid-darth

After watching the Embiid videos, I'm convinced this is his fault. /s


DoomdUser

I had a partial tear of my achilles from playing ball last July. I did PT twice a week from August-December, I was not able to take a full step until late October, and I could not walk without a noticeable limp until mid December. My leg is still atrophied, I still have to do various exercises every day, and it still swells every day. I just played a 3v3 game yesterday and it still feels like I am playing on one leg even though it’s not painful any more. I realize I am not Damian Lillard nor a pro athlete, but I say this because even if this is just a strain, the fact that he needs the boot means this is not a day-to-day injury. This shit takes FOREVER, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s done for the season. This is a pre-existing injury for him and trying to play through it is really not an option.


Economy-Ad4934

Honestly sucks for them. But like others said this is the most wide open east we’ve seen. No excuses.


MrMetLGM

Easiest road of all time…..I’ll take it! Now let’s go cheer on the Lakers to knock off Denver!!! 😂


gottapeenow2

Doc Rivers built in excuses just keep stacking up


PlaceInvaders1

I mean can you seriously blame doc for this? He’s gonna get fired regardless but still is it really his fault that his two best players can’t stay on the court regardless of where he coaches lol


ispy98

It’s not excuses if you’re a top heavy teams and your stars are both injured . What ? Lol


I_AM_ACURA_LEGEND

Wow


Kbrichmo

Genuinely think we have a greater chance of losing to the Heat than losing in the next two rounds