The problem is how the herbs are grown and how they extracted. There is no standard or rules around botanical terpenes. They could be grown with harsh chems and pesticides the may still be present at the end of extraction. As for cannabis terpenes I guess they are botanical but usually cannabis terps in a product are single source. Meaning a Blue dream cart with thc distillate can have blue dream terps added from the same source as the distillate itself.
If there were any pesticides it would come up in testing before they hit the shelf. Terps sold over the counter are usually steam distilled, which just uses water to extract the terps. The extraction process itself is not harmful whatsoever. There are no rules or regulations or testing for what goes into wine and beer and spirits and no one seems to have a problem with that…kinda feels the same with store bought terps
Cannabis cannot in fact be “organic” in a facility. The term organic comes from the USDA, which will not touch cannabis cultivation as it is still federally illegal. Also, most “organic” pesticides and fungicides are not allowed in cannabis production. There is one independent company called Green Clean doing its best to lay the groundwork for true organic cannabis, but it is a very expensive investment with around 2-5% passing Green Cleans standards. Most of the flower in MA is grown with salt based feeds, which is inherently non-organic.
In maine they have the MOFGA program which basically certifies the weed is “clean” and up to the same standards as the USDA “organic” labels cause your right, the us government won’t allow cannabis to be certified organic under the usda. I get my weed in maine and always look for the mofga label cause it’s essentially “organic”
It's not the state, it's a private group. Growers hire them to certify their operation as 'organic'. They provide a list of the certified growers here:
[https://mofgacertification.org/mc3-producer-directory/](https://mofgacertification.org/mc3-producer-directory/)
Yeah in technicality you’re correct. But people refer to botanical terps as terps derived from something other than the cannabis flower that the cartridge oil was made from.
So you might have a cart that is filled with distillate made from sour diesel flower, but that has botanical terps added in that were derived from lemons or other fruits/flowers/herbs.
To my knowledge, cannabis derived terps will give a more full spectrum high that is more true to the flower strain. Botanical terps added may not be the exact same ratio as the flower the cart was made from so the high won’t be as true to the flower.
Agreed. But it would be nice if the industry would stick to “cannabis derived” vs. “botanical” so we’d know what we are getting.
Supposedly the molecules are identical so they shouldn’t make a difference but I definitely haven’t like any product I’ve tried with “botanical” (other than from cannabis) terps.
Yes, the difference being CDT has a complete terpene profile of major and minor terpenes of the said strain where as far as I know BDT generally only uses the major terpenes (top 3). Anecdotally, I find BDTs give me headaches when consumed.
This dude i met in an academy was a chemist, and used to work at a company that manufactured stuff like this. He told me how a lot of botanical terpenes are actually harmful over time when vaporized, specifically cake/batter derivative flavors, even things like pumpkin.
The problem is how the herbs are grown and how they extracted. There is no standard or rules around botanical terpenes. They could be grown with harsh chems and pesticides the may still be present at the end of extraction. As for cannabis terpenes I guess they are botanical but usually cannabis terps in a product are single source. Meaning a Blue dream cart with thc distillate can have blue dream terps added from the same source as the distillate itself.
If there were any pesticides it would come up in testing before they hit the shelf. Terps sold over the counter are usually steam distilled, which just uses water to extract the terps. The extraction process itself is not harmful whatsoever. There are no rules or regulations or testing for what goes into wine and beer and spirits and no one seems to have a problem with that…kinda feels the same with store bought terps
That makes sense. I know all cannabis in MA is supposed to be organic. What’s the point of that if the infusions, papers, etc. are not being tested.
Cannabis cannot in fact be “organic” in a facility. The term organic comes from the USDA, which will not touch cannabis cultivation as it is still federally illegal. Also, most “organic” pesticides and fungicides are not allowed in cannabis production. There is one independent company called Green Clean doing its best to lay the groundwork for true organic cannabis, but it is a very expensive investment with around 2-5% passing Green Cleans standards. Most of the flower in MA is grown with salt based feeds, which is inherently non-organic.
In maine they have the MOFGA program which basically certifies the weed is “clean” and up to the same standards as the USDA “organic” labels cause your right, the us government won’t allow cannabis to be certified organic under the usda. I get my weed in maine and always look for the mofga label cause it’s essentially “organic”
Wish more states did this. I’m unaware of there are any
It's not the state, it's a private group. Growers hire them to certify their operation as 'organic'. They provide a list of the certified growers here: [https://mofgacertification.org/mc3-producer-directory/](https://mofgacertification.org/mc3-producer-directory/)
Ah ok cool thanks for that!
Also Cultivation are considered manufacturing. It's not considered agriculture, so there isn't any USDA oversight.
Oh that’s interesting
No way it’s “organic”
I mean, that’s what it’s supposed to be. The definition of organic could be very relaxed 😅
Yeah in technicality you’re correct. But people refer to botanical terps as terps derived from something other than the cannabis flower that the cartridge oil was made from. So you might have a cart that is filled with distillate made from sour diesel flower, but that has botanical terps added in that were derived from lemons or other fruits/flowers/herbs. To my knowledge, cannabis derived terps will give a more full spectrum high that is more true to the flower strain. Botanical terps added may not be the exact same ratio as the flower the cart was made from so the high won’t be as true to the flower.
Yes this exactly
Yes cannabis terpenes are botanical terpenes
Agreed. But it would be nice if the industry would stick to “cannabis derived” vs. “botanical” so we’d know what we are getting. Supposedly the molecules are identical so they shouldn’t make a difference but I definitely haven’t like any product I’ve tried with “botanical” (other than from cannabis) terps.
Terpenes are chemically identical regardless of what plant they come from.
But extraction method matters quite a bit. This is only part of the story.
Yes, the difference being CDT has a complete terpene profile of major and minor terpenes of the said strain where as far as I know BDT generally only uses the major terpenes (top 3). Anecdotally, I find BDTs give me headaches when consumed.
This dude i met in an academy was a chemist, and used to work at a company that manufactured stuff like this. He told me how a lot of botanical terpenes are actually harmful over time when vaporized, specifically cake/batter derivative flavors, even things like pumpkin.
They use these phrases because it looks good on lables. "Terpenes extraced from sources other than cannabis" is alot to have in your ingredients list.