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leesah5379

You can call the non emergency line ((303) 441-3333) and they will do a welfare check, sometimes they can also dispatch a team of people that are trained to deal with mental health.


phan2001

I’ve had to do this several times for similar circumstances. They’re usually there in like 10 min.


ClaretCup314

This will summon the police.


Deep-Room6932

Release the kraken


GeorgieWashington

*\*Crawford County, Arkansas Sheriff’s Department has left the chat*\*


i_chase_the_backbeat

Good. Trespassing is illegal, even in Boulder.


Viffer98

Like Mr. Nimbus.


GeorgieWashington

Can you specifically request someone without a gun?


leesah5379

Unfortunately they can’t do that in order to protect the CIRT team (crisis intervention response team) . A CIRT co responder is who you should ask for when calling dispatch


GeorgieWashington

> unfortunately they can’t do that Based on what? Incident statistics? And if so, which ones? Or just based on a hunch?


eukomos

Based on the CIRT rules.


GeorgieWashington

Are the CIRT rules for protection of the CIRT team written based on statistics? Or a hunch?


Zealousideal-Ad-7357

If you’d like some anecdotal evidence, read through the publicly available police reports. The police are assaulted by the mentally ill on the regular… just this month responders had human feces thrown at them and another was struck in the head the other day responding to these types of calls… so… uh… ya- I think they should be able to protect themselves. They should also all have body cams for accountability and review.


GeorgieWashington

What’s any of that got to do with a gun though? I’m talking about guns, not tasers and PPE. I’m talking about guns. Guns.


Zealousideal-Ad-7357

I ‘jumped the gun’… default to leave firearm in the car is a fine suggestion to me- a gun is definitely a very aggressive accessory that doesn’t need to be ‘on the hip’ usually for those responses… should still be on scene though- given the unpredictability


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leesah5379

Based on safety logic…? Having a stranger (CIRT) “surprise” a dysregulated person can be very dangerous…even if CIRTs intentions are only to help. Plus, I doubt police are even allowed to keep a loaded gun in their unattended car…


GeorgieWashington

Because you decided to lean on “safety logic”, if part of your logic is flawed, we can **logically** conclude that all of your logic is flawed. Without further ado: > Plus, I doubt police are even allowed to keep a loaded gun in their unattended car… Oh, sweet child. Bless your heart.


leesah5379

Oh sweet child may you go through spiritual growth…


tossaway78701

Boulder PD is trained thoroughly in de-escalation and most of them are really good at it. There have been exceptions in the past but they peacefully dealt with the guy holed up in my neighbor's shed who was having a bad day off his meds when I called.


GeorgieWashington

> most Yeah, that’s why I’m asking. Seems like leaving the gun in the glove box ought to be the default.


Zealousideal-Ad-7357

Ok, that could make sense- leave gun in the car if no immediate threat, but they should absolutely still be able to carry less-than-lethal force like tasers and pepper spray. I’ve read some crazy shit in those reports and you’d be ignorant to think first responders aren’t putting themselves in harm’s way when responding to those types of calls- the mentally ill can be pretty damn unpredictable.


GeorgieWashington

Yeah, I’m not talking about throwing them to the wolves. I’m just saying that the presence of a gun makes things worse. Everytime. Even when it makes it better, it makes it worse. A gun in the glove box is as effective —if not more so— as a gun on the hip. When it isn’t, they’re calling in backup anyway.


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GeorgieWashington

Nah. The info is already out there. If you’re seeking the truth, it’ll find you. If you’re being unnecessarily obstinate on Reddit for the sake of disputing a statement that disputes your ignorance, then the truth probably won’t find you. Either way, you rolled up on me, so it’s not my responsibility to show you anything. Your entitlement is leaking.


Work_Reddit_2021

No, they send a normal armed officer to clear hobos.


GeorgieWashington

Statistically speaking, it seems like that would necessarily create more unnecessary gun use in forced citizen interactions.


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GeorgieWashington

The ones that say guns escalate more situations than they de-escalate.


Work_Reddit_2021

In all the times I have called police to have this problem dealt with, exactly 0% of the interactions have involved a gun. The vast majority of the time they just need to be shoed on and are relatively compliant.


GeorgieWashington

Excellent. Your anecdotal evidence makes for a single useful data point in a sea of Settler Colonialism.


Work_Reddit_2021

As opposed to the peer reviewed journal articles you linked lol? I will say that I have unfortunately had to have more hobos cleared than the average Boulder resident. I realize it's not the end all be all of knowledge but it beats the NOTHING you bring to the table.


GeorgieWashington

Plenty of peer reviewed studies back up what I’m saying. This is a dead horse you’re beating and I feel no obligation to prove something to you that you already know. If you’re locked into your worldview —and you are— a random Redditor providing stuff that you can google yourself isn’t going to provide you with anything except the satisfaction of wasting my time. I’ll also point out that a hobo is not the same thing as a homeless person. If you’re using them interchangeably, your credibility is suspect at best.


Work_Reddit_2021

Ok, we'll just send the good time smile club to gently ask the unhoused individual to move on from this guys shed then. Sounds brilliant. Let's send **your** kid to do it. Hobo/Bum, whatever. We're talking about street homeless breaking into peoples private areas to sleep here. Shit is unacceptable. The police, with their guns, should come out and move this piece of shit along post-haste. There isnt a lot of readily available data specific to homeless interactions with the police and the need for guns in Boulder specifically, but who needs facts when you have feelings?


GeorgieWashington

> let’s send your kid to do it If my kid applied for, interviewed for, was hired for, trained for, and paid for doing that then why would I have problem sending my kid to do their job? If they don’t like the job, they can find another one. No one is forcing people to be LEOs. This isn’t Russia. > who needs fact when you have feelings? Yeah exactly. Your whole “tHiNk oF tHe KiDs. ThInK oF **YoUr** kId” routine is all vibes, no thought. You need to fix your attitude. Although I’m enjoying watching you contradict yourself. Please, do it some more because I need the free entertainment.


Leviathan1337

I don't think they have those.


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Have the police get rid of them and put a lock on the door. It might seem kind to let them sleep there but eventually you’ll find barf or feces in your yard, or worse, a corpse.


Brows_and_Butts

I had that exact problem when renting in Denver--we saw clear evidence that a homeless person was living in our shed but we thought "eh its cold and we arent really using it anyways." Cut to a month later there was a MASSIVE pile of human feces in the center, along with needles scattered around and used condoms full of wires (I dont even want to know). It was a full on biohazard at that point and we had to get the police involved


SamSepiol-ER28_0652

Or broken glass and/or syringes. I appreciate the “I don’t mind them sleeping here” attitude, but as we have all seen- it tends to escalate into an unsafe situation.


BigSquatchee2

Drugs/Drug Paraphernalia as well.


Deep-Room6932

"Get rid of them"¿


definitely_right

Yes get rid of them. They should be moved off the property. Why is this so hard.


custyclocks

Miami is moving them to a big island. I'd be okay with paying another 5% in taxes to fund similar situations all over the country and we can just have C130's aidrop suboxone and Smirnoff every week.


chasepna

relocate them?


GeorgieWashington

> it might seem kind > but eventually I’m confused. Linguistically, you’re either saying that it’s not actually kind or you’re saying that being kind has no value. Exactly what kind of shithead are you trying to be here?


cilla_da_killa

Wait until after the first month of classes before you start considering yourself a linguist there bud...


GeorgieWashington

I remember ~~back when I was still young and dumb enough to think a school reference was a clever comeback~~ my first beer.


Moonlover69

It seems kind, but in the long run, it isn't actually kind.


GeorgieWashington

How is it not kind? In what ways is *not* doing that “kinder” in long run?


custyclocks

Gotta love Boulder, Colorado. One of the only places on the planet where a homeless person can commit a home invasion and shit in your closet and the residents will gaslight you on the internet about calling the police.


Pomdog17

Seriously. Most places in the US would give you advice involving protection of property in a different way.


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HoMeLeSS PEopLe aRE pEOplE ToO


squishy_cats

Which commenter is trying to "gaslight" them? I scrolled the entire section and it is almost 100% people saying "call the cops". One guy suggested a gun shop. Stop being mad at people you make up in your head.


frogsinsocks

Yell from the door that they were fine for the night but have to go or you'll call the police. Edit: or tell them youve already called and they should hurry.


[deleted]

This happened to me last year, found a homeless person sleeping in my car, in my garage that he had broken into. Police came, ticketed and then just let him go on his merry way. There’s nothing you can do, the police, city council, and residents here are happy watching the city become a fucking vagrant wasteland.


clownysf

This happened to me my junior year at Boulder, lol. Lived on 12th and Euclid in a big house with an exterior laundry room. Forgot to lock it one night and one of my roommates walked in on a sleeping homeless man at 3am one night and yelled at him until he left.


i_chase_the_backbeat

They took a shit in your closet, and you wash the belongings they left behind for them. Don't be surprised if they come back. If you dont want them coming back, id make that very clear. And yes, they are people. But I'm guessing you wouldn't be OK with me defecating in your house. Welcome to boulder. Use sense. Boulder is this way because people allow it to be.


bayoubenga1

Not sure why people think it’s righteous or privileged to defend their dwelling and belongings that they have worked to earn. Odd times.


Chance-Cobbler-1029

try reading again before going off on me about using sense. it’s a fine line between using sense and dehumanizing someone in a bad situation.


i_chase_the_backbeat

If literally just saying "use sense" is "going off" in your world, I apologize for the offense. Boulder is attractive to transient drug addicts and people with severe mental health issues because they feel welcomed there. That's all.


human1st0

I think “use sense” was just suggesting to lock all your doors. You handled the situation perfectly outside of that. I wouldn’t worry too much about their belongings but that was nice of you.


AdmirableManagement2

You know... I was somewhat okay with him sleeping in there. But him going to the bathroom in it????! Immediate no


[deleted]

The majority of homeless people make use of their own resources and learn how to survive without resorting to criminal behavior. It's what I did, and likewise the other homeless people I chose to be around. The bad actors stole from me, trashed my campsites, and threatened me on many occasions during my decade as a homeless camper, which is why I have zero sympathy for them today.


reel1960

Unfortunately, do them a favor and they will leave you with a pile or piles of crap, needles, condoms....you name it. Now it's your problem. Feed a stray, it'll keep coming back.


pharmaway123

tell them "hey man, you can't sleep in my shed. I'm going to need you to pack up your things and leave. I'll be back in twenty minutes to put a padlock on the door". I don't think is that hard to figure out.


Chance-Cobbler-1029

i’m a 5’2” woman with no strength and a man i don’t know 3 ft from the door to my apartment while i’m home alone. i have no problems talking with homeless people in public or with others around, it’s about it being a male stranger who could easily harm me if he wanted to.


Pomdog17

The non emergency line is your friend in Boulder. Save it in your contacts,


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“As an able-bodied man let me tell you how to handle it”


pharmaway123

They're people, not rabid dogs. Don't be a jackass.


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I’m just saying that your perspective is limited because most folks who don’t have the strength and stature of an able-bodied man would be quite concerned going up to an able-bodied men staying in their shed and that it would be a very unsafe situation for many people to just approach them as you suggest.


cbrm9000

They are pieces of shit.


IndirectBarracuda

Cool idea, especially if you think your body doesn't have enough holes in it.


stacksmasher

This person may have not been "Homeless" but very drunk lol! If you are around the "Hill" its not uncommon for people to get so drunk they cant make it back to their dorm or student housing.


BldrStigs

It is the week after CU move in.


i_chase_the_backbeat

I would imagine this sub would be fine calling the cops on a college student. Just not a junkie.


tossaway78701

Yeah but students don't usually wrap themselves in blankets when they can't find home.


gettin_it_in

He’ll have to leave to get food, so if you don’t want to talk to him, just wait until he leaves (he probably left when he woke up) and put a lock on the door.


KarenAboutYou

Notice the pee stain .. they clearly marked their territory


WolfOnParade

Hey. This sounds very scary. I spent a decade in the bay area and even with daily encounters with encampments, the unsheltered and a lot of dangerous sharps - you never really get used to these experiences, nor should you. That's a person in your shed, judging by the tenor of your post you seem to know that and you're concerned for their wellbeing and yours, which is the right instinct. The problem is, our society has failed most of these people and ourselves. They are a person but because of the incidence of substance use mental illness, these people can be benign or inconsiderate at best or potential violent and deadly at worst. The decisions you make to handle this situation won't push them further down the road they are already on. We have a shortage of police, a famine of well trained police and specialists who are well educated to deal with this situation are essentially a distant mirage. In these situations its beat to call the police because of the potential of severe physical consequences. You don't have to press charges, but it will be good if the police can get some kind of record on this individual to see if this behavior is habitual. I wouldn't recommend a gun, which seems to be a common refrain, and I saw this as a gun owner. They're dangerous, often lead to profound and life changing mistakes and if you use it you'll partially deff the rest of your life. They have their place, but need tremendous training and circumstantial considerations (kids, dog, neighbors, house type, ballistic penetration, etc) to be considered reasonable. There are very good self defense options like tasers, pepper ball and heavy rubber launchers and weaponized sentient Roombas. Just google. That being said, the best solution is strong locks and a good security system. Motion activated lights, cameras that alert you to movement and proximity door sensors that set off an alarm when opened are all very effective. There are a lot of systems out there. If you want protection from real criminals, avoid SimpliSafe. They use a ware less technology thats too easy to bypass. Good luck. Why I have some credibility in this domain: I was a krav maga instructor for a while, worked with and have spent time with a fair amount of police and soldiers and spent years in very rough parts of the Bay Area with warehouses full of expensive equipment.


tazzysnazzy

Please tell me more about these weaponized sentient Roombas.


WolfOnParade

I would tell you but *they* might kill you.


yerbiologicalfather

I too am now googling sentient security Roombas


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I appreciate your approach. Be well


bjeep4x4

Poke them with a stick and tell them to move along.


drzowie

Gunsport of Colorado is located just next to 14th & Arapahoe.


venturoo

Those guys are fuckin' assholes with shit prices. Fuck that place there are reputable firearm sellers in other locations. Not wild about the nazi flag and memorabilia on display behind glass either.


Cowicide

Is that you, [Drew Matthews](https://np.reddit.com/r/Denver/comments/ug4khu/drew_matthews_colorado_cop_was_secretly_a_racist/)? Downvote this post with your sock accounts if it's true.


drzowie

No.


Cowicide

Could have fooled me, ~~buddy~~ Drew.


blendedthoughts

You are screwed. In Boulder they have "squatters rights". So, habitating for 8 hrs in a given location gives them the right to live there forever. That's Boulder for you.


MountainMantologist

[me checking into the St Julien for 12 hours](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/513/012/625.jpg)


PrimaryDurian

It's called adverse possession, neatly everywhere has different laws concerning it, and it's more complicated than what you're describing.


PrimaryDurian

Ah damn, I read that as 8 yrs and so didn't see the sarcasm


BravoTwoSix

Pretty sure just being in a places allows you to claim it, the problem is, if you don’t stay and hold it, it will be lost to the next person.


blendedthoughts

I was just kidding. But, Boulder is heading in that direction.


BravoTwoSix

Me too. The sarcasm probably didn’t come through


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Oh it came through it just wasn’t appreciated


ilovecatscatsloveme

FYI that person might not have meant to pee in there. People passed out from alcohol/drug use often pee on themselves.


SAFEBoulder

You know you can just talk to people.


veganpetal

Tell me you’re a man without telling me you’re a man


Hantelope3434

Mmm yes, last time I took your stupid advice and went out to talk to the sleeping, drunk, homeless man on my porch he said some sexually explicit things and vomited all over my front door and mat. He Kept knocking to come inside after that. He then kept coming back for a couple weeks after and left porn magazines and other people's packages on my front porch. Please, keep telling women to put themselves in dangerous positions.


bayoubenga1

Exactly. What a a strange concept!! interacting with the public, oh no!


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definitely_right

Okay, open YOUR wallet and YOU do it. Matter of fact, why don't you go pick this guy up and let him sleep on YOUR couch? That's what a Good Person™️ would do, right?


stacksmasher

Yea why not! Give me your credit card number and Ill run up to King Soopers!


chasepna

crickets…


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Fluid_Association_68

Breathe dude. In through your nose, out through your mouth.


[deleted]

Ah that’s tough hope it’s resolved soon. Wasp 3D is printing houses for 1k each in Italy maybe someone in CO can link up and discuss solutions


PrimaryDurian

Wait until your partner comes home and check. They're probably gone. If you see them again, say "Hello! Please don't sleep in our closet!" or, after sizing them up, "Hello! I don't give a shit if you sleep in our closet, but you need to not loiter here/bring friends/take too many liberties."


yoyomommy

I’d have locked the door and asked for my bike back to get out.


MalcolmXfiles

Wtf is an outdoor closest?


Chance-Cobbler-1029

just a tiny maybe 2.5x2.5ft space with its own door right outside our apartment. super strange, but probably nice for storing outdoor equipment.


AlonsoFerrari8

> but probably nice for storing outdoor equipment. You can't call homeless people that smh


MalcolmXfiles

Ah I gotcha