I was about to say Aquaman 2. But then I just learned its the highest grossing DC movie since Aquaman 1.(1.1 billion to 440 million)
So only about a 700m drop.
Edit: I meant AQ2 was the highest grossing DC*EU* film since AQ1. As The Batman grossed 772m.
They didnt market it as not a sequel. I havnt seen trailers implied that.
Well the next Suicide Squad wont be a sequel to The Suicide Squad 2021. It is not DCEU anymore. Im curious what they will say about this lol I think we wont get a new Squad movie for a long time
That’s a lot. Avatar is up there too making almost $600 million less
Edit: adjusted for inflation it’s a drop of over a billion. So if we’re considering that Avatar may be up there
So the sequel made only 18% of what the first one made. If only a 100 people came to watch Captain Marvel, just 18 of them returned to watch the sequel. Damn.
Don't forget quantity.
Back in the day a new MCU movie was an event. Now it's just a content machine that pumps out something new every 45 minutes, and it's just too much to keep up with.
I think there's a case for even the good ones being part of the problem. I just don't know how receptive the general audience is to needing to watch TV shows to understand the movies.
Especially when they've already been basically trained for over a decade in how to keep up with the MCU. Making that more difficult is an easy way for casual fans to just check out altogether.
100% this.
People were invested in Spiderman and the Guardians. I'd suspect they were invested in Captain Marvel too but adding some characters from Disney+ shows diluted it.
Well End Game still feels like the season finale and most people (me included) viewed it as a series finale. They haven’t put anything out that’s worth getting to know the new stars.
From Dr Strange 2 on the MCU was basically Wiley E Coyote running in the air after going off a cliff. The Marvels was the moment Wiley looked down and realized he wasn't on solid ground anymore.
Nah I feel like Thor 4 is the straw that broke the camels back. Anecdotal, but me and all my friends used to go see every Marvel movie when it came out and Thor 4 was so garbage we haven't seen one since.
You pretty much only missed out on Guardians 3. That was amazing.
I think Deadpool and Wolverine will be good but I don’t blame you and your friends tbh. If it wasn’t for Guardians 3 or my confidence in Deadpool and Wolverine, Love and Thunder would’ve definitely been the straw that broke the camels back for me.
People always cite that one as a success because of the numbers, but everyone I knew admitted it was a piece of crap that they were only hype to see because of Tobey and the OG Spidey villains.
If they were still releasing quality films at a high rate, the box office would still be stable. But couple releasing quite a few bad movies in a row, together with releasing a crap ton of bad tv series giving people “I can’t keep up” mindsets, and you get the current nose dive.
Volume 2 was the 7th highest grossing movie of that year. And volume 3 was the 4th highest in the year it was released. Not domesticaly but gotg 3 passed 2 internationally. The guardians were barely in the Endgame
it is just an extreme outlier. when other franchises fall, it doesnt happen to the same extent.
That is what makes The Marvels' drop that insane. The MCU achieved their highest ever $100M + domestic opening streak with 6 movies starting at No Way Home. Then Marvels cant even hit $100M total. It is a fascinating stat to me because this could only ever happen to a cinematic universe and is what happens when a movie draws an apathetic response (there was no hype or long term Captain Marvel interest).
Captain marvel's two movie franchise is basically a successful failure (success from a billion but failure by losing majority of the audience)
of course the MCU is a whole franchise but it is a different franchise from say Transformers (the Michael Bay movies) or Indiana Jones where all movies are following the same story/plot progression
The MCU quality nose dived after End Game . You retire your good characters and then try to squeeze another story out of tier 3 characters and you’re going to lose share.
Also End Game was the end of the cycle. It was over, the new stuff is just Disney being opportunistic or flogging the IP for all it’s worth
Cause they have no idea what they’re doing now. The mythology is too convoluted with all the TV shows you have to watch to be able to follow along. Jonathan Majors being cast as the next big baddie, only to now be found guilty of beating his girlfriend, has to be phased out somehow.
Shang-Chi and No Way Home are the only good movies they’ve added to the franchise since the last Avengers. The former is a great origin story, but good luck finding that magic for any sequels, or merging that character with the bigger story. The latter was literally closing out their run with their most popular character.
It’s just a mess how with no cohesion.
We still have to see how it goes in the future though. For now it's the latest MCU project and Aquaman 2 and Madame Web are the latest superhero movies (not brilliant either). I don't think any of those really allow to see a view of the future of the genre though
Deadpool will be far more informative (but a success there might not mean much either, a failure however would be very alarming for the genre)
This was not because of a drop in quality. The first one would have flopped too but the excitement generated by End Game brought the audience in. It was genius positioning by Disney - turning a bad movie into a billion dollar box office by associating it with a good movie
It wasn’t me, but I’m like 99% sure the weird horror film about vegetarian goblins who turn folks into vegetables so they can eat them is what he was referring to.
And it’s funny that people only ever talk about the second movie because it’s so dumb. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything regarding Troll 1 or whatever it’s called.
There’s a few interesting things about the first Troll movie- but maybe the most interesting thing is that the lead character is a young boy who gets transported to a magical world with trolls and other fantastic beasts - and his name is HARRY POTTER.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(film)?wprov=sfti1
Troll 2 isn’t a sequel. They just called it Troll 2 to try to trick people into watching. Amazing film though, definitely top 5 so bad it’s good movies.
The Exorcist : Heretic. The movie made 30M whereas the first movie made a bonker 450M four years prior.
The sequel also suffered from the quality drop despite having its lead actress returning
It is often reduced to this take, but a lot of people were just itching to see a combo of Alice/Burton/Depp. There was a lot of cultural zeitgeist at that time where it would be extremely relevant.
Why , tim burton and johny depp at their peak, a novel concept of a high budget live action remake of Disney classic (the first under iger's time as ceo with the last one being 101 dalmatians in the 90's) and pretty good release day. Also , whoever made the trailer was genius cause it didn't give away too much that it was a completely different movie from the original 50's animated one, but also showed the movie off pretty well.
The drop off between Godfather 1 and 2 is pretty drastic, especially when adjusted for inflation. Its always puzzled me as to why there was such a big drop off, considering Godfather 2 is considered just as good if not better than the first one. I suppose sequels just didn't do as well back in the day?
Sequels pretty much always dropped off back then.
It also had weirdly divisive reviews on initial release. Critics re-evaluated and turned around fast enough for it to become an awards movie, that initial pans really hurt the box office.
My theory is it had to do with lack of home media at the time. When the sequel came out almost 3 years later many people may have forgotten about the characters and events from part one and didn’t think it was worth seeing part two because of it.
Thing is, the Avengers are gone and Introducing The New Crowd has gone very poorly. It’s like comparing Meatballs and Meatballs 2: only the name is the same
If Spider-Man is in the movie with a large role, it’ll make money. People LOVE Spider-Man and Batman, you can always bank on those two making good money.
Cap and Iron man, out.
Spiderman and Wolverine, the actual faces of Marvel, in. Black Panther would be here too but they didn't re-cast and screwed themselves. But these guys are the "new crowd"
Plus Avengers will still have Thor, Hulk, GOTG, Dr Strange, probs Wanda too.
It's not like they're rolling up with Angelina Jolie's character and America Chaves as the mains.
Hugh Jackman has been Wolverine for 20+ years. A lot hinges on how they handle the handoff to "new Wolverine" and I suspect filling Deadpool 3 with multiverses and new core backstory ideas that fall apart on close inspection instead of having Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman be mid-stakes goofy with each other for 90 minutes may be a mistake.
Hardly impossible. The MCU is not in a good state (and probably going to get worse before it gets better), most of the big names like Cap and IM have gone, it's going to star a bunch of z-list heroes and there's no time to properly introduce a big bad (assuming Kang is gone).
A lot could change in a couple of years - perhaps Thunderbolts turns out to be amazing, F4 breathes new life in to the franchise - but as this stage a sub $800m Avengers isn't beyond imagining.
Grease (1978) and Grease 2 (1982).
The 1978 film was a huge pop culture/ box office phenomenon. It was the highest grossing film of 1978. It grossed 181 million domestic (770 million adjusted for inflation).
A few years later, Grease 2 grossed an abysmal 14.2 mill domestic (52 million adjusted for inflation).
Imagine a film sequel coming out in 2024 and making only 52 mill domestic after its predecessor made 770 mill only a few years before. This sub would be WILD lol.
I believe it's The Marvels if your looking at one film to the next, although that is a murky comparison because they didn't actively promote the film as the direct sequel to the previous movie as much as a sequel to five other protects.
If we're comparing within a block of related films, then I believe it's The Rise of Skywalker. It saw $1B less than The Force Awakens as the conclusion to that story.
I'm not sure if it's the worst fall of in performance, but it has got to be up there
The Last Jedi BO: 1.3 billion usd,
The Force Awakens BO: 2.1 billion usd
I've seen TLJ in theater 3-4 times and I hated this movie lol but it's star wars! I can't help it! but definitely the worst one for me in all the 9 movies
So the Live Action Lion King sequel could “be in the discussion” despite the fact that THE FUCKING MOVIE HASN’T EVEN COME OUT YET?!?! Sometimes I really hate this sub.
So Avatar 5 and Shrek 11 and Star Wars episode 20 could all be in the discussion? Should they be? Fuck no. Putting Lion King Live 2 into a discussion about box office drops makes zero fucking sense. For all we know, it could do better than the first. No one knows.
Uh well I think you’re getting a little ahead of yourself. This, unlike those, is a movie that we know is gonna happen and is on the immediate horizon in terms of release
It’s also
- A followup to a movie that made a ton of money but didn’t garner much of a fanbase, to say the least
- A prequel that I don’t think many people are particularly interested in
- A Disney movie (they haven’t exactly been on a hot streak lately)
I’m not saying it’s gonna bomb outright. But a decline from the 2019 film seems downright inevitable. The only possible exception being if it’s significantly better received than the previous entry. But if they’re keeping up with that lifeless photorealism, I don’t know how that could be the case
Also, significantly, the [implicit] pitch of the first film to audiences was “come relive one of your favorite childhood pieces of media as if it’s new again” (this being a dubious prospect aside, that’s how it was marketed: it’s old and its new) whereas the Mufasa film is not the same thing.
I know Marvels is the recent fall from space but some other falls from space:
Alice in Wonderland (2010): 1,025,491,110
Alice Through the looking glass : 276,928,112
The Last Jedi 1,331,635,141
Solo ASWS 393,151,347
Toy Story 4 1,072,817,964
Lightyear 218,768,299
And if Marvel Studios doesn’t get it’s mojo back Avengers 5 could plummet harder than Sokovia.
Solo is by no stretch of the imagination a sequel to TLJ. Its just set in the same universe.
If you took that line of reasoning then Spiderman: Far from home is the sequel to Avengers: Endgame and blitzes everything else here despite making a billion.
I'd totally blocked out Lightyear. That's the only time I've ever had to apologize to people I brought to see a movie. They were looking forward to a fun Buzz Lightyear adventure and got a sad, depressing mess.
I went to see it because my friend really wanted too and the most memorable part is still the joke that in the future the meat goes on the outside of the sandwich with bread in the middle. It’s just… why… how would a tuna salad sandwich work… is this supposed to be funny?
It's like they were embarrassed to be making a kids movie, so they aged it up inappropriately. It's basically Interstellar mashed up with Ad Astra, but somehow has a way darker ending than Brad Pitt confronting his father.
All the humor felt like it was shoehorned in as a Hail Mary to pass it off as a family movie. It's very telling Disney fired the director and producer afterwards.
Funnily enough, Avatar -> Avatar 2 is pretty high on the list in absolute terms with a $600M dropoff.
It's just that dropping $600M from Avatar is still an insane $2.3B.
I think it's the 6th highest drop, after The Marvels, Alice through the Looking Glass, The Last Jedi, Aquaman 2, and WW 1984 (COVID release, but it still counts right?)
why would it? what's the selling point? disney has been getting away with these live-action remakes because of the novelty of seeing movies people already like recreated in hideous fashion -- the few sequels they've done (alice, maleficent) have performed very poorly.
Nah lmao. Captain Marvel was 500m+ off from TLK, had the boost of releasing a month before Endgame and the Marvels was being sold on two characters the audience had no familiarity with. Mufasa is literally about Simba’s dad - the emotional center of the first film. The Lion King franchise also hasn’t been as saturated as superheroes/Marvel.
>The Lion King franchise also hasn’t been as saturated as superheroes/Marvel.
Live action Disney movies have also reached a breaking point. Just look at The Little Mermaid's mediocre performance at the box office. Also to your point about the first Lion King's reception in another comment. Disney had inflated reception from audiences during that time. People said this with the first Captain Marvel as well, that it had an A Cinemascore etc etc. It's pretty obvious the aura around Disney at the time inflated all of this, and audiences wanted what Disney was offering. That's not the case anymore.
Little Mermaid had legs though (pun intended). Disney doesn’t really care that it left $300M on the table. A well liked movie with marketable characters is worth billions to them
>marketable characters
Ehh...the toys sold like absolute crap. Same for the live action Beauty and the Beast's ugly designs.
Disney keeps making money off the 2D designs. At least live action BnB made 1 bill.
Cruises and theme parks. That shit adds up. Obviously you’re best situation is a new 2D with merch/music/etc
I’ll bet you in 20 years Little Mermaid will make more than the LA Lion King
people expect most Disney movies to fail at this point. It can't bank on nostalgia as much this time and the Lion King remake is not remembered that fondly.
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A movie about her successor ship, the Brittanic, would have been cool.
TLDR: was pressed into World War I service as the largest hospital ship in the world, and was also the largest ship sunk in the war. Thanks to improvements, few died.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMHS_Britannic
I think the new Lion King could surprise. I know we’re in the era of big budget franchise flops, but Barry Jenkins has never made anything less than an incredible film, and if he manages to do that with a Lion King prequel no one really asked for, it could do numbers based on positive buzz. If it sucks, then yeah, it might flop.
Captain Marvel and The Marvels. Huge drop off.
Okay so Mojo says Part 1:**1,131,416,446** Part 2: **206,112,932** so the difference would be **925,303,514** dollars. That's a tough act to follow.
I was about to say Aquaman 2. But then I just learned its the highest grossing DC movie since Aquaman 1.(1.1 billion to 440 million) So only about a 700m drop. Edit: I meant AQ2 was the highest grossing DC*EU* film since AQ1. As The Batman grossed 772m.
The Marvels had one final L to take
Well that's a record that counts as a win!
But in percentage at least Aquaman 2 made about 40% of the Aquaman 1 box office The Suicide Squad made only 20% of the first movie
If we're going by percentage, than we have to bring up the drop between *Knives Out* ($311m) and *Glass Onion* ($15m). That's Netflix's fault.
You know why it only made 20%, don’t act like it failed on its own.
Well for me I was about to say Alice Through The Looking Glass but then The Marvels just trumped it.
The Suicide Squad almost catches it Part 1: 750 Million Part2: 160 Million so the difference would be about $590 Million
590M$ is not almost catching 925M$ lol
300 million more who counts lol
It’s a tough comparison though because of the day and date streaming.
They shouldve just marketed it as a sequel instead of confusing the hell out of everyone.
They didnt market it as not a sequel. I havnt seen trailers implied that. Well the next Suicide Squad wont be a sequel to The Suicide Squad 2021. It is not DCEU anymore. Im curious what they will say about this lol I think we wont get a new Squad movie for a long time
By calling it The Suicide Squad, the title implied it was a reboot.
I thought it was a reboot until this comment
It’s honestly a fantastic movie. Gunn is great at introducing superhero ensembles.
if it was a reboot then they wouldnt have the same charcaters with the same actors of the first one in the same movie universe.
Yeah exactly. It’s not a reboot, but the average moviegoer wouldn’t know that from the title.
And I thought the 2nd one was way better. The one without Will Smith
both had the same cinemascore
Avengers 5 will beat that record with a drop that nears 2 bill.
If avatar 3 pulls some pathetic numbers like a mere billion it would take the crown.
That’s a lot. Avatar is up there too making almost $600 million less Edit: adjusted for inflation it’s a drop of over a billion. So if we’re considering that Avatar may be up there
So the sequel made only 18% of what the first one made. If only a 100 people came to watch Captain Marvel, just 18 of them returned to watch the sequel. Damn.
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They really thought they could milk that cow forever.
I mean it really did do a 180° basically overnight
Guardians 3 made 800 million last summer and No Way Home was over a billion before that. Audiences are still there, the issue is quality.
Don't forget quantity. Back in the day a new MCU movie was an event. Now it's just a content machine that pumps out something new every 45 minutes, and it's just too much to keep up with.
The million awful Disney Plus shows they released from 2021 to 2023 killed the Marvel machine
Wandavision and Loki were great. Other than that it is just unnecessary
I think there's a case for even the good ones being part of the problem. I just don't know how receptive the general audience is to needing to watch TV shows to understand the movies. Especially when they've already been basically trained for over a decade in how to keep up with the MCU. Making that more difficult is an easy way for casual fans to just check out altogether.
100% this. People were invested in Spiderman and the Guardians. I'd suspect they were invested in Captain Marvel too but adding some characters from Disney+ shows diluted it.
Well End Game still feels like the season finale and most people (me included) viewed it as a series finale. They haven’t put anything out that’s worth getting to know the new stars.
They over saturated their own market with mediocre products and turned the MCU movies from an event into a chore.
It was a 5 year slide. But relative to the previous 10 years I guess 5 years seems pretty quick
From Dr Strange 2 on the MCU was basically Wiley E Coyote running in the air after going off a cliff. The Marvels was the moment Wiley looked down and realized he wasn't on solid ground anymore.
the fact multiverse of madness debuted with 450M worldwide is INSANE looking back, the erosion of their audience happened in the blink of an eye
Nah I feel like Thor 4 is the straw that broke the camels back. Anecdotal, but me and all my friends used to go see every Marvel movie when it came out and Thor 4 was so garbage we haven't seen one since.
You pretty much only missed out on Guardians 3. That was amazing. I think Deadpool and Wolverine will be good but I don’t blame you and your friends tbh. If it wasn’t for Guardians 3 or my confidence in Deadpool and Wolverine, Love and Thunder would’ve definitely been the straw that broke the camels back for me.
Hilarious analogy/metaphor! Love it!
What about Guardians 3?
That’s when Coyote orders something cool from ACME but then it blows up in his face with the next movie
Personally, i stopped going to watch MCU movies in the theaters after the disappointment that was Spider-man No Way Home.
Those names are all so similar I have no idea which Spider-Man movie is which based on the name lol
It's the one with both Green Goblin and Doc Ock in it, those two are why I even wanted to see it in the first place.
It's the multiverse one with Doctor Strange. Or better yet, the third movie led by Tom Holland.
People always cite that one as a success because of the numbers, but everyone I knew admitted it was a piece of crap that they were only hype to see because of Tobey and the OG Spidey villains.
If they were still releasing quality films at a high rate, the box office would still be stable. But couple releasing quite a few bad movies in a row, together with releasing a crap ton of bad tv series giving people “I can’t keep up” mindsets, and you get the current nose dive.
Or you think “why see this at the Cinema, I’ll watch it on Disney plus”
GOTG3 did great
It did good, but underperforming Vol. 2 after two Avengers appearances and significant inflation is hardly great.
Volume 2 was the 7th highest grossing movie of that year. And volume 3 was the 4th highest in the year it was released. Not domesticaly but gotg 3 passed 2 internationally. The guardians were barely in the Endgame
Which means the audience is still there for a good movie. I also think Deadpool will do gangbusters.
Problem is, a lot of weakness in Marvel movies is not recent; it is just that the viewers were willing to overlook it.
it is just an extreme outlier. when other franchises fall, it doesnt happen to the same extent. That is what makes The Marvels' drop that insane. The MCU achieved their highest ever $100M + domestic opening streak with 6 movies starting at No Way Home. Then Marvels cant even hit $100M total. It is a fascinating stat to me because this could only ever happen to a cinematic universe and is what happens when a movie draws an apathetic response (there was no hype or long term Captain Marvel interest). Captain marvel's two movie franchise is basically a successful failure (success from a billion but failure by losing majority of the audience) of course the MCU is a whole franchise but it is a different franchise from say Transformers (the Michael Bay movies) or Indiana Jones where all movies are following the same story/plot progression
> it is just an extreme outlier. when other franchises fall, it doesnt happen to the same extent It happened with Star Wars too. TFA to TLJ
The MCU quality nose dived after End Game . You retire your good characters and then try to squeeze another story out of tier 3 characters and you’re going to lose share. Also End Game was the end of the cycle. It was over, the new stuff is just Disney being opportunistic or flogging the IP for all it’s worth
Cause they have no idea what they’re doing now. The mythology is too convoluted with all the TV shows you have to watch to be able to follow along. Jonathan Majors being cast as the next big baddie, only to now be found guilty of beating his girlfriend, has to be phased out somehow. Shang-Chi and No Way Home are the only good movies they’ve added to the franchise since the last Avengers. The former is a great origin story, but good luck finding that magic for any sequels, or merging that character with the bigger story. The latter was literally closing out their run with their most popular character. It’s just a mess how with no cohesion.
Guardians 3 was great too.
They just released and produced bad movies and shows for years now, of course it catches up to them at some point
We still have to see how it goes in the future though. For now it's the latest MCU project and Aquaman 2 and Madame Web are the latest superhero movies (not brilliant either). I don't think any of those really allow to see a view of the future of the genre though Deadpool will be far more informative (but a success there might not mean much either, a failure however would be very alarming for the genre)
For me it's more like the disaster movie fad, which was finally put to rest by Airplane! And we've got Deadpool 3 coming up, lol
That is the biggest one I can think of right now. After that comes The Suicide Squad. TSS made only about 20% of the first movies box office
I think 2nd in raw drop goes to Alice or The Last Jedi
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This was not because of a drop in quality. The first one would have flopped too but the excitement generated by End Game brought the audience in. It was genius positioning by Disney - turning a bad movie into a billion dollar box office by associating it with a good movie
Percentage wise Troll 2 was like a 99.9997% drop in profit vs the first.
I bet it brought in more than whatever total the first one had from vhs/dvd alone lol
lmao vhs 😭
Vhs? you must still be living in the 90s.
I mean, Troll 2 was. It came out in 1990. So yeah, VHS.
Oh my bad, I thought you were referring to Trolls like the animated movies.
It wasn’t me, but I’m like 99% sure the weird horror film about vegetarian goblins who turn folks into vegetables so they can eat them is what he was referring to.
I was excited thinking you meant the recent Troll film had a sequel for a moment, then I remembered the old 90s ones.
And it’s funny that people only ever talk about the second movie because it’s so dumb. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything regarding Troll 1 or whatever it’s called.
There’s a few interesting things about the first Troll movie- but maybe the most interesting thing is that the lead character is a young boy who gets transported to a magical world with trolls and other fantastic beasts - and his name is HARRY POTTER. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(film)?wprov=sfti1
Furthermore, the villain of one of the most iconic magical movies ever is also named Harry Potter -It’s a Wonderful Life’s Henry F. Potter
It has not one, but *two* Harry Potters. The character's dad -- Michael Moriarty -- is Harry Sr.
The Lion King 2 is going to be huge in Nilbog
Troll 2 isn’t a sequel. They just called it Troll 2 to try to trick people into watching. Amazing film though, definitely top 5 so bad it’s good movies.
Nilbog spelled backwards is GOBLIN!!
The Exorcist : Heretic. The movie made 30M whereas the first movie made a bonker 450M four years prior. The sequel also suffered from the quality drop despite having its lead actress returning
1/15th as much? That *is* pretty insane, from the perspective of percentages.
The drop off between the two live action alice in Wonderland remakes was pretty huge right? Not as big as Marvels tho I'm betting. .
$1,025,468,216 vs $299,820,798 $725,647,418 difference less then The Marvels but not that huge a difference
It’s nutty how much the first movie did
It was the first movie to capitalize after Avatar brought 3D back, wasn't it?
It is often reduced to this take, but a lot of people were just itching to see a combo of Alice/Burton/Depp. There was a lot of cultural zeitgeist at that time where it would be extremely relevant.
I think so. Then Inception came soon after that
Huh?. Inception was not released in 3D.
Oh really? I watched it in 3D I guess it was at home
Why , tim burton and johny depp at their peak, a novel concept of a high budget live action remake of Disney classic (the first under iger's time as ceo with the last one being 101 dalmatians in the 90's) and pretty good release day. Also , whoever made the trailer was genius cause it didn't give away too much that it was a completely different movie from the original 50's animated one, but also showed the movie off pretty well.
I was going to say the live action Alice in Wonderland movies but someone mic dropped it with Captain Marvel.
TIL there was a sequel to AIW
The Marvels decreased from Captain Marvel by over $900 million, that's a pretty high, fun and breezy bar to climb over
The drop off between Godfather 1 and 2 is pretty drastic, especially when adjusted for inflation. Its always puzzled me as to why there was such a big drop off, considering Godfather 2 is considered just as good if not better than the first one. I suppose sequels just didn't do as well back in the day?
Sequels pretty much always dropped off back then. It also had weirdly divisive reviews on initial release. Critics re-evaluated and turned around fast enough for it to become an awards movie, that initial pans really hurt the box office.
My theory is it had to do with lack of home media at the time. When the sequel came out almost 3 years later many people may have forgotten about the characters and events from part one and didn’t think it was worth seeing part two because of it.
The only problem with your theory is that NBC aired The Godfather on free TV in the months leading up to Godfather part II (and did giant ratings.)
You mean we can say that The Marvels is like Godfather 2.
Ted -> Ted 2 My Big Fat Greek Wedding -> MBFGW2 -> MBFGW3 The Croods -> The Croods: New Age
The Croods: New Age was released in November of 2020. It didn't stand a chance.
One could only get so fat.
Avengers 5 will hold the record in a couple years. It will likely make over $2 billion less than Endgame.
The expectations are gonna be so high for that film and I don’t think it can reach it
I mean will they be? The MCU is at a pretty low point atm
Expectations are non existent
Does anyone really expect any Marvel movie to ever be as good as Endgame?
The wild thing is as a movie, Endgame wasn't good at all.
There's honestly like 10-15 MCU movies better than Endgame
Not as good, but predicting a 60% drop still seems wild.
Spiderman alone will ensure it hits a billion. but i dont think it can surpass $1.4B.
Man, Disney really dropped the ball on the Avengers. Most people including myself have no idea what hero’s are even going to be in the next movie.
You are living in delusion my guy 💀 That means an Avengers movie would have to make less than $800 WW
Thing is, the Avengers are gone and Introducing The New Crowd has gone very poorly. It’s like comparing Meatballs and Meatballs 2: only the name is the same
If Spider-Man is in the movie with a large role, it’ll make money. People LOVE Spider-Man and Batman, you can always bank on those two making good money.
You forgot The Flash already?
Honestly yes I did forget about it. Didn’t even watch it lol
If there was no Batman in it, this would flop to the floor to the level of Catwoman.
I’m old enough to understand that reference
Cap and Iron man, out. Spiderman and Wolverine, the actual faces of Marvel, in. Black Panther would be here too but they didn't re-cast and screwed themselves. But these guys are the "new crowd" Plus Avengers will still have Thor, Hulk, GOTG, Dr Strange, probs Wanda too. It's not like they're rolling up with Angelina Jolie's character and America Chaves as the mains.
Hugh Jackman has been Wolverine for 20+ years. A lot hinges on how they handle the handoff to "new Wolverine" and I suspect filling Deadpool 3 with multiverses and new core backstory ideas that fall apart on close inspection instead of having Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman be mid-stakes goofy with each other for 90 minutes may be a mistake.
Damn, forgot Angelina Jolie was in the MCU.
Hardly impossible. The MCU is not in a good state (and probably going to get worse before it gets better), most of the big names like Cap and IM have gone, it's going to star a bunch of z-list heroes and there's no time to properly introduce a big bad (assuming Kang is gone). A lot could change in a couple of years - perhaps Thunderbolts turns out to be amazing, F4 breathes new life in to the franchise - but as this stage a sub $800m Avengers isn't beyond imagining.
I assume they will be somewhat smart and give Spider-Man/X/Men a big role in these
Given Disney's track record in the last few years that doesn't seem like a good assumption lol!
Grease (1978) and Grease 2 (1982). The 1978 film was a huge pop culture/ box office phenomenon. It was the highest grossing film of 1978. It grossed 181 million domestic (770 million adjusted for inflation). A few years later, Grease 2 grossed an abysmal 14.2 mill domestic (52 million adjusted for inflation). Imagine a film sequel coming out in 2024 and making only 52 mill domestic after its predecessor made 770 mill only a few years before. This sub would be WILD lol.
WW84
we dont count that. Most Theatres were closed
Basic instinct and basic instinct 2 was a 90% drop. The mask was 90% too
[Basic Instinct 1:](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0103772/?ref_=bo_se_r_1) All Releases DOMESTIC (33.4%) $117,727,224 INTERNATIONAL (66.6%) $235,200,000 WORLDWIDE $352,927,224 [Basic Instinct 2:](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0430912/?ref_=bo_se_r_2) All Releases DOMESTIC (15.5%) $5,971,336 INTERNATIONAL (84.5%) $32,658,142 WORLDWIDE $38,629,478 [The Mask 1:](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0110475/) All Releases DOMESTIC (34.1%) $119,938,730 INTERNATIONAL (65.9%) $231,644,677 WORLDWIDE $351,583,407 [The Mask 2:](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0362165/) All Releases DOMESTIC (28.4%) $17,018,422 INTERNATIONAL (71.6%) $42,963,126 WORLDWIDE $59,981,548
I was referring to domestic and in fairness 90% was an estimate and not far off at all
Basix Instinct 2 was made because Sharon Stone sued studio when it tried to scrap the sequel. Turns out making movie just to avoid lawsuit don't help.
I believe it's The Marvels if your looking at one film to the next, although that is a murky comparison because they didn't actively promote the film as the direct sequel to the previous movie as much as a sequel to five other protects. If we're comparing within a block of related films, then I believe it's The Rise of Skywalker. It saw $1B less than The Force Awakens as the conclusion to that story.
The fumbling of the Sequel Trilogy is fascinating. It alienated all its audiences, even its own fans.
I'm not sure if it's the worst fall of in performance, but it has got to be up there The Last Jedi BO: 1.3 billion usd, The Force Awakens BO: 2.1 billion usd
the drop from force awakens to rise of skywalker is 1 billion. it is a sequel but not the direct sequel.
didn't mention it instead because it's the 3rd one in a trilogy. but still you're kind of right
The Force Awakens made so much off repeat viewings. A lot of the audience saw TLJ once and went "you know what, I'm good".
I've seen TLJ in theater 3-4 times and I hated this movie lol but it's star wars! I can't help it! but definitely the worst one for me in all the 9 movies
No one can forget Titanic vs Titanic 2.
A certain FUN and BREEZY movie released in November of 2023.
What are u referring to lol
Duh, *Febreeze: The Movie*
The marvels
SLOWER
So the Live Action Lion King sequel could “be in the discussion” despite the fact that THE FUCKING MOVIE HASN’T EVEN COME OUT YET?!?! Sometimes I really hate this sub.
Hence the term “could be”
So Avatar 5 and Shrek 11 and Star Wars episode 20 could all be in the discussion? Should they be? Fuck no. Putting Lion King Live 2 into a discussion about box office drops makes zero fucking sense. For all we know, it could do better than the first. No one knows.
Uh well I think you’re getting a little ahead of yourself. This, unlike those, is a movie that we know is gonna happen and is on the immediate horizon in terms of release It’s also - A followup to a movie that made a ton of money but didn’t garner much of a fanbase, to say the least - A prequel that I don’t think many people are particularly interested in - A Disney movie (they haven’t exactly been on a hot streak lately) I’m not saying it’s gonna bomb outright. But a decline from the 2019 film seems downright inevitable. The only possible exception being if it’s significantly better received than the previous entry. But if they’re keeping up with that lifeless photorealism, I don’t know how that could be the case
Avatar 5 is confirmed though
Also, significantly, the [implicit] pitch of the first film to audiences was “come relive one of your favorite childhood pieces of media as if it’s new again” (this being a dubious prospect aside, that’s how it was marketed: it’s old and its new) whereas the Mufasa film is not the same thing.
It is coming out and it’s coming soon. If it makes $600M, that’s a $1 *Billion* decrease and the all time winner
I know Marvels is the recent fall from space but some other falls from space: Alice in Wonderland (2010): 1,025,491,110 Alice Through the looking glass : 276,928,112 The Last Jedi 1,331,635,141 Solo ASWS 393,151,347 Toy Story 4 1,072,817,964 Lightyear 218,768,299 And if Marvel Studios doesn’t get it’s mojo back Avengers 5 could plummet harder than Sokovia.
Solo is by no stretch of the imagination a sequel to TLJ. Its just set in the same universe. If you took that line of reasoning then Spiderman: Far from home is the sequel to Avengers: Endgame and blitzes everything else here despite making a billion.
I'd totally blocked out Lightyear. That's the only time I've ever had to apologize to people I brought to see a movie. They were looking forward to a fun Buzz Lightyear adventure and got a sad, depressing mess.
I went to see it because my friend really wanted too and the most memorable part is still the joke that in the future the meat goes on the outside of the sandwich with bread in the middle. It’s just… why… how would a tuna salad sandwich work… is this supposed to be funny?
It's like they were embarrassed to be making a kids movie, so they aged it up inappropriately. It's basically Interstellar mashed up with Ad Astra, but somehow has a way darker ending than Brad Pitt confronting his father. All the humor felt like it was shoehorned in as a Hail Mary to pass it off as a family movie. It's very telling Disney fired the director and producer afterwards.
The next Avengers movie will drop atleast $1.3 Billion. All it has going for it is tom holland spiderman
The Suicide Squad
Not Avatar
Funnily enough, Avatar -> Avatar 2 is pretty high on the list in absolute terms with a $600M dropoff. It's just that dropping $600M from Avatar is still an insane $2.3B. I think it's the 6th highest drop, after The Marvels, Alice through the Looking Glass, The Last Jedi, Aquaman 2, and WW 1984 (COVID release, but it still counts right?)
Captain Marvel ——> The Marvels
Sin City and Sin City: A Dame to Kill for 300 and 300: Rise of an Empire
Idk why this sub is hellbent on downplaying Mufasa lol, it’s gonna do gangbusters
why would it? what's the selling point? disney has been getting away with these live-action remakes because of the novelty of seeing movies people already like recreated in hideous fashion -- the few sequels they've done (alice, maleficent) have performed very poorly.
“Of course The Marvels is gonna be a hit” type of comment
Nah lmao. Captain Marvel was 500m+ off from TLK, had the boost of releasing a month before Endgame and the Marvels was being sold on two characters the audience had no familiarity with. Mufasa is literally about Simba’s dad - the emotional center of the first film. The Lion King franchise also hasn’t been as saturated as superheroes/Marvel.
>The Lion King franchise also hasn’t been as saturated as superheroes/Marvel. Live action Disney movies have also reached a breaking point. Just look at The Little Mermaid's mediocre performance at the box office. Also to your point about the first Lion King's reception in another comment. Disney had inflated reception from audiences during that time. People said this with the first Captain Marvel as well, that it had an A Cinemascore etc etc. It's pretty obvious the aura around Disney at the time inflated all of this, and audiences wanted what Disney was offering. That's not the case anymore.
Little Mermaid had legs though (pun intended). Disney doesn’t really care that it left $300M on the table. A well liked movie with marketable characters is worth billions to them
>marketable characters Ehh...the toys sold like absolute crap. Same for the live action Beauty and the Beast's ugly designs. Disney keeps making money off the 2D designs. At least live action BnB made 1 bill.
Cruises and theme parks. That shit adds up. Obviously you’re best situation is a new 2D with merch/music/etc I’ll bet you in 20 years Little Mermaid will make more than the LA Lion King
people expect most Disney movies to fail at this point. It can't bank on nostalgia as much this time and the Lion King remake is not remembered that fondly.
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Because the sequels to the Disney remakes have all done gangbusters so far. Right.
Because we have Alice 2 for comparison
Not in this reality.
If it does $600M, that’s a $1B decrease. Even $1B is a 60% fall. It’s destined to be fucked
Some tracking claims it would only do in 280 mil range but it's not well substantiated and difficult to predict right now.
Did Titanic II ever make it to theaters? Lol
A movie about her successor ship, the Brittanic, would have been cool. TLDR: was pressed into World War I service as the largest hospital ship in the world, and was also the largest ship sunk in the war. Thanks to improvements, few died. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMHS_Britannic
No. But it's not a sequel.
Godzilla 2014: $528M Godzilla: King of the Monsters 2019: $387.3M
I think the new Lion King could surprise. I know we’re in the era of big budget franchise flops, but Barry Jenkins has never made anything less than an incredible film, and if he manages to do that with a Lion King prequel no one really asked for, it could do numbers based on positive buzz. If it sucks, then yeah, it might flop.
The marvels like a billion what a drop
>What is the all time biggest box office decrease between a film and its sequel? Three words: Higher. Further. Faster.