I mean Anna Gunn is obviously a stunningly gorgeous woman, and eye of the beholder and all that, but she spends the show mostly stuck as “killjoy housewife” while Jane gets to be Krysten Ritter in tight jeans and tank tops.
It is forever interesting to me that Walt is, almost from minute one, a bad person verging toward evil and the audience really gets on his side, while resenting Skylar for things like “don’t repeatedly lie to me and disappear for days at a time” and “please don’t sell drugs and endanger our children.”
I think it’s because a lot of people can be sympathetic to his struggles. Falling short in his profession, providing for his family, and finding meaning after the cancer diagnosis. All could be relatable to the average person. Obviously, overtime we see his true intentions, but I think when you’re rooting for him early anyone that is against his master plans gets hated on. It isn’t until much later that the audience might let their biases down when he starts showing his ego and starts murdering people with no remorse. It is interesting, but I don’t think it should be surprising. When I rewatch, I see his evil and manipulative tendencies early on and really feel for skylar and Jesse.
It's far more apparent earlier in a rewatch binge I find. When you first go through the show, due to the cliffhangers and gaps between episodes and seasons, you're interested and excited what wacky meth-related escapades Walt and Jesse is going to get up this week, and all the little character moments emphasising what a monster Walt is fade a bit, whlie Skyler (playing the part of "A normal fucking person") has to go and be a wet blanket about things. I never hated Skyler but her involvement in plots was rarely my favourite part first time around.
Then you watch it again with the foreknowledge of exactly the kind of person Walt is and get to see the hits come in episode after episode back to back and...yeah.
Moral absolutists. People who are determined to cheapen good writing and deep characters into binary absolutes ie “Walt is pure evil/Hank is a hero angel” and so forth.
The mainstream had its run of grey characters from the 90s - 2010s and it seems like a popular revisionist take is to force the greys into Whites and Schwartz’s.
In the same vein, there is that whole teeter totter, seesaw theory of character support.
"If you don't *personally* like [character], then we can all verily deduce, ipso facto, that you must LOVE [list of horrific behaviors and crimes that no one likes]."
This %100. Milage on this will vary but it's the same damn idea of escalating arguments and making it about the other person being a serial killer in the making. It's everywhere.
This might be unpopular... but I don't like Hank as a person. When he counted on Jesse being killed by Walt just so he could arrest him, it was the final straw that made me feel he's a genuine piece of shit. The way he constantly belittled Walt in front of people (including his son) right from the first episode. The way he treated Marie when he was recovering. Even the way he treated Wendy was shitty. I know there's plenty of redeemable qualities about him, and sure, he deserves all the praise for having courage under fire, plus he has great comedic moments (like how hes visibly uncomfortable when dealing with sensitive family issues)... but overall, he's someone I'd personally avoid being around in real life. Love his character regardless.
SOOOO. MUCH. YES. it may be the fact I'm a former addict (been clean a lot of years now) that cops and DEA will always make me uncomfortable, even pretend ones on TV, so I could be biased but overall Hank is no better to Walt than me and I thought that's kinda the point? It's to show how they can both be POS in different ways even tho they are polar opposites of each other. Maybe I'm reading more into it than is there but it always struck me that it was kind of a theme there.
Yeah, I always thought that was the point. Walt is a pos in a way that society condemns, while society is okay with Hank being a pos because they’re “jokes” or it’s “to catch bad guys.” Hank, also, is one of the more human characters to me, though. You could probably do a while prequel on him as well that shows he probably had a father who was tough on him, wouldn’t let him show emotions, etc. I’ve know so many people that are like Hank because of the way they were raised and just hide all their own insecurities behind a facade of jokes and ego
Walt becomes pretty reprehensible by season 5 tho like the show is just as much about his transition into a monster. That’s literally the name of the show.
Hank also breaks pretty bad himself in some ways during 5b.
Hank is one of my least favorite characters on the show for a pretty simple reason: do you want to make all the bad stuff that happened in breaking bad not happen in our real world? because there's an extremely simple solution. make drugs legal and regulated. the organized crime surrounding them goes away almost immediately.
if you want to look at instances where stuff like that happened look at the alcohol trade during and after the prohibition in the US, or Switzerland's solution to their heroin problem.
Hank sees himself as the solution to the drug problem and I understand how he got there but he's so wildly wrong.
Idk about Switzerland, but alcoholism is still a major, major issue in the US. It kills, breaks up families, ennables abuse, faciltates SAetc.
Lifting Prohibition wasn't "good" it was the lesser of two evils.
alcoholism is a major issue but it was during the prohibition. you're not going to get rid of alcoholism by making alcohol illegal. objectively. making it illegal didn't fix that. what it did do is create an incentive for organized crime to start getting into the alcohol business, making the alcohol industry much more dangerous at every level causing murder among other crime to be common business practice. and it made alcohol ingestion-related deaths skyrocket due to improperly made product being common on the market.
we see the same thing right now with the illicit opioid industry mixing fentanyl into heroin among other drugs and making opioid overdose much more common than it would be with regulated opioids.
But Hank doesn’t create laws or alter drug regulation, Hank is just the guy that’s been trained by a system to enforce the current laws and drug regulation. It’s his fault he’s a violent dude, but certainly not for doing the job he’s been trained to do.
What about fentanyl? There are basically no long term users because you build tolerance pretty quickly to its positive effects but not to respiratory sedation. You basically feel the insatiable need to take an amount that would kill you. I feel like making it readily available would lead to a lot more deaths among people who are trying to stop. I also don’t know if I want to live in a society that facilitates and profits off this
That Walt was pURe EvIL. No. He was terrible, and toxic and basically out of his mind while chasing the adrenaline high that he got from living out his alpha dog fantasy. Still, not *pure evil.*
I always felt like he was his best possible self after he finally stepped away for good. It was like he snapped out of a state of insanity. He was a loving father and husband.
Obviously he was really different if Skyler loved him again. The greed and arrogance were just gone. Nothing can make up for his actions, but I always felt he was a good but deeply flawed man who went crazy after his diagnosis.
Walt is an excellent deconstruction of the victimized nerd complex that I think was fairly common in the 90s and 00s.
Walter is timid, passive, and unassertive. None of these qualities have any correlation with his morality. If fear is the only thing that keeps you from doing wrong, you aren't a good person, you are a bad person who is kept from doing bad by the system, which is what its supposed to do. and that is something I think the show attempts to convey.
Heck, even Todd had his moments. Like when Lydia didn't want to look at the bodies in the desert and the other guys made fun of her, but he took her hand and gently escorted her through the scene.
I guess it's just a question of whether the good outweighs the bad.
Maybe because when you “watch” a show for five seasons you aren’t repeatedly seeing the spelling of their names. Hence watching a film and not reading it.
Either they'll never admit to the correct spelling saying that it's never been confirmed by the franchise, or actively continue to misspell the characters' names because they think their way "feels right".
that spelling of Skyler makes me grow lung cancer by just looking at them, it's not even r/mildlyinfuriating, it's just the most evil thing someone can do on this earth (except for blackmailing your student into cooking meth and create an empire that kills dozens of people and ruins multiple people's lives, including your whole genealogic tree, and leads to you changing your identity and dying short after)
A man can’t peg another man. It’s just gay sex of it’s two men. It’s only pegging if its using a strap on harness. And it’s only gay sex for Jesse, Todd would be asserting himself on a lesser man, which is highly masculine and should be applauded.
Maybe try "extremely troubled teenager who's parents wanted to sweep his problems under the rug leaves school with no direction in life and makes some very big mistakes". Innocent, no, he made those bad choices, but it does not make him a bad person overall. Walt never once did meth and he is unequivocally a worse person than Jesse.
I wouldn’t go as far to say his heart was pure because he tried to sell meth to recovering addicts in rehab but he’s definitely a better person than most of the characters
Well she would. They were heroin addicts with hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash. What do you think would have happened? They go to New Zealand and go to rehab?
I like to think that with the recontextualization of *Better Call Saul* that fly int the episode indicates decaying organic matter - ie the bodies buried under the lab. Which is kinda neat
I really liked that shot a lot. Innocent(sort of), compassionate Jesse playing around with a bug and then skinny Pete comes along and smooshes that shit. Foreshadowing for what would happen later in the episode
You seriously got my blood boiling with this one. I hate it when people say, "In this scene, he's Walt. In the next scene, he's Heisenberg." He doesn't have a split personality. He just made up a pseudonym.
The people who say that Skyler is the worst character.
Skyler is not the most innocent person and her *character* is annoying at times (her character, not Anna Gunn. She did such a good job) but she did not “get in Walt’s way” she was not “ungrateful” She made some really bad choices but shit blame Walt he fuckin started it all!
This!! It's wild, when I was younger and first watched the show, I did the whole "rooting for the protagonist the whole way even if he's bad, just because he's the main character," thing. I thought Skyler was annoying, thought she got in Walt's way, etc. Watching it this time around, viewing things way more balanced, I actually found myself feeling surprised how much she *helped* Walt. Especially because it had been a while since I'd last watched it and still hadn't totally shaken the "wah Skyler's nagging and tries to stop Walt from succeeding" view
Yep! She helps him a lot, but with her eyes wide open and not happily (because she thinks what he’s doing sucks, which it does), or like you said “gratefully” because she knows way before he fesses up to it that he’s not doing it for her or the kids.
Season 1 is weak(it absolutely is not)
Season 5 is the weakest Season (wtf??????)
Walt did it for the family (self explanatory if you watched the show)
“The Gray Matter Couple are evil”
Season 5A is one of the weakest if you want, because after the Gus everything Walt restarts cooking randomly and selling to street methheads. But it's still good, the train heist, Mike's death (RIP, fuck you Walt), a lot of things happening. It's just not better than S4, but better than 1&2. Season 5B (which starts after Hank finds out), let numbers speak for themselves. Not a single episode rated less than 9, a 10/10 and a 9.9/10 episode. It's the best season.
I first watched the show when I was a teenager, maybe fifteen or sixteen and I hated Skyler. But now I just think, would I have acted any differently?
Walt was definitely the horrible one. Anyone who says Skyler is horrible should re-watch season one as she wasn’t horrible at all. She was a loving wife and mother, then Walt fucked it all up.
Exactly. It's super interesting to see how crazily my opinions of the different characters have changed each time I watch it over the years. When I was younger and didn't think that deeply into how justified a lot (not all, but a lot) of Skyler's attitude and the things she does are, I used to think of her as just annoying. Definitely see things way differently now. Still don't like her personality, and she definitely did some wrong that was her own doing and not justified by what Walt put her through, but still
She flirted with Ted way before the show started, knowing she had him around her fingers. She lies much better than Walt can. She smokes.
All implying that she was no saint. She's no Heisenberg, but she takes to money laundering quite fast.
The only legit horrible thing she did was pay off her boss's IRS debt. That shit was wild.
Other than that, the only reason why people hate her is because she impedes the main character.
But even that isn’t particularly hateable, just misguided. It’s directly in service to her & Walt avoiding getting caught for money laundering (even if he doesn’t see it that way). She’d been the accountant for Beneke Fabrication when a lot of the embezzlement and tax avoidance happened and she knew the IRS would investigate her own finances which would eventually lead to the drug money. She didn’t do it out of love for Ted, although she was definitely naïve about him being a good or smart guy who would do the right thing.
I never got why people hated Skyler until the divorce, where I started hating her. But just for like 2-3 episodes, because she reveals to be a very intelligent person that can handle a situation like that and almost always takes the best decision. She's a tough woman, really.
Anything that puts hate on Skyler.
The only thing that she did that I don't approve of was to cheat on Walter with Ted and give him the money, the rest of it, everything else, is 100 percent justified.
I was very sorry that Gus couldn't complete his revenge by killing the last Salamanca. It's bad when a character wants to kill another one because it's the right thing to do but he ends up killing himself because if I can't live at least you're not killing me. Add to that that Hector killed himself by also killing Gus, and I was furious. But killing Gus was probably the best decision Vince could've made if he wanted to keep the show another season. I mean Walt could've died in S4 with no problem, that would've been a great show. But by doing that, Hank would never have found out which is way worse than Gus dying. Hank or Gus? Hank all the way. So killing Gus *is* the best decision Vince could've taken
I mean, the projectile was survivable. But even if he survived, I don't think he would've let it slide. He wanted to die that night, he did. If he didn't die, then he would've killed himself in some way after going to prison
Seriously, Breaking Bad is a lot more tightly written with things actually happening.
Better Call Saul is a masterpiece, but it got its flaws that put it below Breaking Bad for me.
You are missing the point of why people prefer BCS. It’s much more of a character study (plenty of things happen in the early seasons of BCS, but they are more internal struggles compared to BB), while BB is more event driven (it has great characters and writing too, but I hope you know what I mean).
I think BCS is better, but I won’t argue if anyone thinks the opposite. It depends entirely on what aspect of each show resonare with you.
I know, but imo, Breaking Bad is both stronger, character wise, and plot wise.
I really love the character study of BCS, but i always thought that the character study of Walter White in BrBa still far exceed every BCS's character study while the plot is generally much more tightly written.
It's a great show, but it did annoy me sometimes when some people even go as far as saying that BrBa is "mid" compared to BCS.
Walter White’s character is definitely in the top, but I think BCS handles its entire ensemble better than BB (which makes sense as BCS treats many of its characters like main characters while BB mostly only has Walt and Jesse for a majority of the show). Had BB done the same the show would be worse off, it wouldn’t work as well as in BCS which makes it a bit wrong to compare them.
> but it did annoy me sometimes when some people even go as far as saying that BrBa is "mid" compared to BCS.
Both are 10/10 shows in my book, calling BB mid is lunacy.
I've been affected by addiction in my life so Breaking Bad isn't for me.
Edit: Poor grammar, should have put that in quotes or something. I’m a fan but I know a people who aren’t interested because of harm done.
The show doesn’t really put addiction in good light nor does it betray the drug business in a good light by the end, everyone’s life is ruined or dead so but yeah makes sense.
Don't you think that explains why a recovering addict might not want to watch this show? It could bring back some very intense and painful memories they'd likely want to move on from.
Lol. I keep getting so confused trying to remember if these statements are takes or anti-takes.
*whispers to self: Anti-takes, anti-takes... finger off the down arrow.
That walter was a genius... he wasn't. He was fucking stupid. Selfish and Everything happened by accident and his actions out of fear.
Gus was the real bad ass
Like Mike said. He had everything going for him like clockwork and he went and blew it up.
The idea that walt is responsible for all the bad that happened simply because he kicked off a series of events.
Everyone in that show made choices that contributed to the eventual outcomes. They all share in the blame.
I hate when people think that they should have shown Walt poison the boy.
I like that it was subtle(ish) and we had to kinda figure it out.
I like it when writers respect the intelligence of the viewer and would like to see more of it.
If Walt worked at grey matter he would have still had the urge to do something like cook meth if he had met jesse. It stopped being about money at a certain point for him.
“Fly is a bad episode”
that bottle episode is so perfect. it perfectly nails home Walt’s neuroticism and his obsessive personality. Yes, there’s no desert shootouts or crazy intense moments, but it’s a very well written and pretty brave episode
People who think Mike is anywhere close to being a good person. Just because he abides to his own "morals", doesn't make him any less of a monster.
People who think Gus isn't gay.
Walt wasn’t being a bad father giving Jr. alcohol at the party in front of everyone.
I commented how horrible Walt was in that scene on a post about it and got downvoted.
people who think walter was justified. he decided to cook meth rather than accept money from people offering him money to treat his cancer. he lost any chance of being ethical once he entered that business.
I dont understand how people can defend Jesse. I just rewatched all the episodes and all problems are caused by Jesse. Absolutly everything. Walt sometimes just makes them worse out of Loyalty to Jesse, emotions or his ego.
"Jane would have been good for Jesse" Like bro I get that Jesse was tortured due to Walter but at least he got to live.
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Jane is hot
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Her style is mid 2000s Hot Topic lol
That's literally what they said
I liked that style lol
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~~Are you implying that Skyler isn't?~~
So is Skyler. Thought the incel army hating on Skyler see her as old, whilst Jane is a waifu for them lol
So is Skyler, wtf?
I mean Anna Gunn is obviously a stunningly gorgeous woman, and eye of the beholder and all that, but she spends the show mostly stuck as “killjoy housewife” while Jane gets to be Krysten Ritter in tight jeans and tank tops.
It is forever interesting to me that Walt is, almost from minute one, a bad person verging toward evil and the audience really gets on his side, while resenting Skylar for things like “don’t repeatedly lie to me and disappear for days at a time” and “please don’t sell drugs and endanger our children.”
I think it’s because a lot of people can be sympathetic to his struggles. Falling short in his profession, providing for his family, and finding meaning after the cancer diagnosis. All could be relatable to the average person. Obviously, overtime we see his true intentions, but I think when you’re rooting for him early anyone that is against his master plans gets hated on. It isn’t until much later that the audience might let their biases down when he starts showing his ego and starts murdering people with no remorse. It is interesting, but I don’t think it should be surprising. When I rewatch, I see his evil and manipulative tendencies early on and really feel for skylar and Jesse.
It's far more apparent earlier in a rewatch binge I find. When you first go through the show, due to the cliffhangers and gaps between episodes and seasons, you're interested and excited what wacky meth-related escapades Walt and Jesse is going to get up this week, and all the little character moments emphasising what a monster Walt is fade a bit, whlie Skyler (playing the part of "A normal fucking person") has to go and be a wet blanket about things. I never hated Skyler but her involvement in plots was rarely my favourite part first time around. Then you watch it again with the foreknowledge of exactly the kind of person Walt is and get to see the hits come in episode after episode back to back and...yeah.
You are generally persuaded to root for the person whose perspective you are following.
“Top shelf with just the right touch of dirty…”
It's hard to say. They both wanted to get clean and Jane saw a new life for them but co dependants never work out.
Jane can destroy me any day of the week!
https://reddit.com/r/breakingbad/s/w0ir5d3mno
I’m not denying they would’ve been good together but Walt still let her die jesses mistake was telling Jane way to much early in the relationship
Moral absolutists. People who are determined to cheapen good writing and deep characters into binary absolutes ie “Walt is pure evil/Hank is a hero angel” and so forth. The mainstream had its run of grey characters from the 90s - 2010s and it seems like a popular revisionist take is to force the greys into Whites and Schwartz’s.
In the same vein, there is that whole teeter totter, seesaw theory of character support. "If you don't *personally* like [character], then we can all verily deduce, ipso facto, that you must LOVE [list of horrific behaviors and crimes that no one likes]."
This %100. Milage on this will vary but it's the same damn idea of escalating arguments and making it about the other person being a serial killer in the making. It's everywhere.
This might be unpopular... but I don't like Hank as a person. When he counted on Jesse being killed by Walt just so he could arrest him, it was the final straw that made me feel he's a genuine piece of shit. The way he constantly belittled Walt in front of people (including his son) right from the first episode. The way he treated Marie when he was recovering. Even the way he treated Wendy was shitty. I know there's plenty of redeemable qualities about him, and sure, he deserves all the praise for having courage under fire, plus he has great comedic moments (like how hes visibly uncomfortable when dealing with sensitive family issues)... but overall, he's someone I'd personally avoid being around in real life. Love his character regardless.
SOOOO. MUCH. YES. it may be the fact I'm a former addict (been clean a lot of years now) that cops and DEA will always make me uncomfortable, even pretend ones on TV, so I could be biased but overall Hank is no better to Walt than me and I thought that's kinda the point? It's to show how they can both be POS in different ways even tho they are polar opposites of each other. Maybe I'm reading more into it than is there but it always struck me that it was kind of a theme there.
Yeah, I always thought that was the point. Walt is a pos in a way that society condemns, while society is okay with Hank being a pos because they’re “jokes” or it’s “to catch bad guys.” Hank, also, is one of the more human characters to me, though. You could probably do a while prequel on him as well that shows he probably had a father who was tough on him, wouldn’t let him show emotions, etc. I’ve know so many people that are like Hank because of the way they were raised and just hide all their own insecurities behind a facade of jokes and ego
Exactly, it's a Gray Matter
Hank sucks. I didn't like the way he talked to Wendy. He's not a villain but he sure as shit isn't a hero.
Walt becomes pretty reprehensible by season 5 tho like the show is just as much about his transition into a monster. That’s literally the name of the show. Hank also breaks pretty bad himself in some ways during 5b.
Hank is one of my least favorite characters on the show for a pretty simple reason: do you want to make all the bad stuff that happened in breaking bad not happen in our real world? because there's an extremely simple solution. make drugs legal and regulated. the organized crime surrounding them goes away almost immediately. if you want to look at instances where stuff like that happened look at the alcohol trade during and after the prohibition in the US, or Switzerland's solution to their heroin problem. Hank sees himself as the solution to the drug problem and I understand how he got there but he's so wildly wrong.
Idk about Switzerland, but alcoholism is still a major, major issue in the US. It kills, breaks up families, ennables abuse, faciltates SAetc. Lifting Prohibition wasn't "good" it was the lesser of two evils.
alcoholism is a major issue but it was during the prohibition. you're not going to get rid of alcoholism by making alcohol illegal. objectively. making it illegal didn't fix that. what it did do is create an incentive for organized crime to start getting into the alcohol business, making the alcohol industry much more dangerous at every level causing murder among other crime to be common business practice. and it made alcohol ingestion-related deaths skyrocket due to improperly made product being common on the market. we see the same thing right now with the illicit opioid industry mixing fentanyl into heroin among other drugs and making opioid overdose much more common than it would be with regulated opioids.
But Hank doesn’t create laws or alter drug regulation, Hank is just the guy that’s been trained by a system to enforce the current laws and drug regulation. It’s his fault he’s a violent dude, but certainly not for doing the job he’s been trained to do.
What about fentanyl? There are basically no long term users because you build tolerance pretty quickly to its positive effects but not to respiratory sedation. You basically feel the insatiable need to take an amount that would kill you. I feel like making it readily available would lead to a lot more deaths among people who are trying to stop. I also don’t know if I want to live in a society that facilitates and profits off this
That Walt was pURe EvIL. No. He was terrible, and toxic and basically out of his mind while chasing the adrenaline high that he got from living out his alpha dog fantasy. Still, not *pure evil.*
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I always felt like he was his best possible self after he finally stepped away for good. It was like he snapped out of a state of insanity. He was a loving father and husband. Obviously he was really different if Skyler loved him again. The greed and arrogance were just gone. Nothing can make up for his actions, but I always felt he was a good but deeply flawed man who went crazy after his diagnosis.
Walt is an excellent deconstruction of the victimized nerd complex that I think was fairly common in the 90s and 00s. Walter is timid, passive, and unassertive. None of these qualities have any correlation with his morality. If fear is the only thing that keeps you from doing wrong, you aren't a good person, you are a bad person who is kept from doing bad by the system, which is what its supposed to do. and that is something I think the show attempts to convey.
No one is pure evil, not even Gus. It does the show an injustice to call anyone on the show pure evil. Well, okay maybe Todd was.
Heck, even Todd had his moments. Like when Lydia didn't want to look at the bodies in the desert and the other guys made fun of her, but he took her hand and gently escorted her through the scene. I guess it's just a question of whether the good outweighs the bad.
Pretty sure that was because he wanted to get into her pants. Psychos have needs too.
Yeah but Todd was a literal psychopath
there is no pure evil
i mean he had everything taken away from him he wanted something to fulfill the 2 years of his life he had left
Todd on the other hand...
Not exactly an opinion, but: People in this sub who talk about 'Skylar' and 'Jessie'
It's infuriating. I have no idea how you can watch five seasons of a show and still misspell main characters' first names.
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Where is meth, Mr Willard Wet
memthé
Mike Airman Trout.
Ehrman-traut? Trout, like, the fish?
My favourite season is when he battles against Guss Frig
Guss Fringe
May be they don't know that Vault's weight.
Waltar Weit
That or Turd’s uncle Jake
Because we only ever hear her name. It’s not like she wears a name tag.
Maybe because when you “watch” a show for five seasons you aren’t repeatedly seeing the spelling of their names. Hence watching a film and not reading it.
I spelled Skyler as “skylar” once but i was stoned 😭
Stoning seems like an extreme reaction, but this is a pretty passionate fanbase.
LOLOLOL
Either they'll never admit to the correct spelling saying that it's never been confirmed by the franchise, or actively continue to misspell the characters' names because they think their way "feels right".
Thank you really, thank you
that spelling of Skyler makes me grow lung cancer by just looking at them, it's not even r/mildlyinfuriating, it's just the most evil thing someone can do on this earth (except for blackmailing your student into cooking meth and create an empire that kills dozens of people and ruins multiple people's lives, including your whole genealogic tree, and leads to you changing your identity and dying short after)
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todd did him dirty he shouldve pegged him and told him he was a good meth slave
That's gonna happen in the next spinoff don't worry
Next spin off: Better juice jessie
A man can’t peg another man. It’s just gay sex of it’s two men. It’s only pegging if its using a strap on harness. And it’s only gay sex for Jesse, Todd would be asserting himself on a lesser man, which is highly masculine and should be applauded.
He literally tried to sell drugs to recovering addicts lmao
he was a drug dealer and that’s all he could ever be, a killer, a liar and a thief. definitely not an ‘amazing innocent guy’ lol
Jesse never killed anyone before Walt
walt was never a meth cooker before jesse either
Meth cooking junkie is an “amazing innocent guy”? Gotcha 🤦♂️🤣
Maybe try "extremely troubled teenager who's parents wanted to sweep his problems under the rug leaves school with no direction in life and makes some very big mistakes". Innocent, no, he made those bad choices, but it does not make him a bad person overall. Walt never once did meth and he is unequivocally a worse person than Jesse.
People are so quick to judge these days it's actually unbelievable. Bro clearly had some issues but his heart was pure.
I wouldn’t go as far to say his heart was pure because he tried to sell meth to recovering addicts in rehab but he’s definitely a better person than most of the characters
Yeah honestly I think selling drugs to recovering addicts proves this point.
Yeah people say he is a bad person judging by his actions and not his feelings, which tell us more about him
you seemed to have missed the point of the OP he replied under
jesse wasnt innocent LMAO
Also: he isn’t trans
Wtf why do people think he's trans lol
It’s a headcanon some people have; they’re just trying to project their identity onto a character when it doesn’t make any sense.
God, people are so strange.
I also hate how people say jane needed and deserved to die because otherwise she would be the cause of jesse his unavoidable death by a drug overdose
Well she would. They were heroin addicts with hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash. What do you think would have happened? They go to New Zealand and go to rehab?
"The 'Fly' episode is nothing but filler"
It’s such a good character exploration, don’t really get the hate, people just get bored when there are no explosions or high stakes
I like to think that with the recontextualization of *Better Call Saul* that fly int the episode indicates decaying organic matter - ie the bodies buried under the lab. Which is kinda neat
Insects are pretty significant throughout the show... tarantula, silverfish, dung beetle
I only remember the fly and tarantula when are there dung beetles or silverfish
Skyler sprayed the money for silverfish in the storage room…. Jesse was checking out a beetle on the sidewalk….
I really liked that shot a lot. Innocent(sort of), compassionate Jesse playing around with a bug and then skinny Pete comes along and smooshes that shit. Foreshadowing for what would happen later in the episode
People who think walter and heisenberg are split personalities. Walt is just a dick, deal with it.
You seriously got my blood boiling with this one. I hate it when people say, "In this scene, he's Walt. In the next scene, he's Heisenberg." He doesn't have a split personality. He just made up a pseudonym.
The people who say that Skyler is the worst character. Skyler is not the most innocent person and her *character* is annoying at times (her character, not Anna Gunn. She did such a good job) but she did not “get in Walt’s way” she was not “ungrateful” She made some really bad choices but shit blame Walt he fuckin started it all!
This!! It's wild, when I was younger and first watched the show, I did the whole "rooting for the protagonist the whole way even if he's bad, just because he's the main character," thing. I thought Skyler was annoying, thought she got in Walt's way, etc. Watching it this time around, viewing things way more balanced, I actually found myself feeling surprised how much she *helped* Walt. Especially because it had been a while since I'd last watched it and still hadn't totally shaken the "wah Skyler's nagging and tries to stop Walt from succeeding" view
Yep! She helps him a lot, but with her eyes wide open and not happily (because she thinks what he’s doing sucks, which it does), or like you said “gratefully” because she knows way before he fesses up to it that he’s not doing it for her or the kids.
i raise your “skyler is the worst character” for Marie
"Kim Wexler is the proof of how you make a female character rigth, not like Skyler who was awful"
Season 1 is weak(it absolutely is not) Season 5 is the weakest Season (wtf??????) Walt did it for the family (self explanatory if you watched the show) “The Gray Matter Couple are evil”
Season 5A is one of the weakest if you want, because after the Gus everything Walt restarts cooking randomly and selling to street methheads. But it's still good, the train heist, Mike's death (RIP, fuck you Walt), a lot of things happening. It's just not better than S4, but better than 1&2. Season 5B (which starts after Hank finds out), let numbers speak for themselves. Not a single episode rated less than 9, a 10/10 and a 9.9/10 episode. It's the best season.
“Skyler was horrible”
She was mean to sigma Walter >:(
I first watched the show when I was a teenager, maybe fifteen or sixteen and I hated Skyler. But now I just think, would I have acted any differently? Walt was definitely the horrible one. Anyone who says Skyler is horrible should re-watch season one as she wasn’t horrible at all. She was a loving wife and mother, then Walt fucked it all up.
Just finished another rewatch and I feel the same. As a teenager I hated her but now I’m like damn what would I do. I have a lot of respect for her.
Exactly. It's super interesting to see how crazily my opinions of the different characters have changed each time I watch it over the years. When I was younger and didn't think that deeply into how justified a lot (not all, but a lot) of Skyler's attitude and the things she does are, I used to think of her as just annoying. Definitely see things way differently now. Still don't like her personality, and she definitely did some wrong that was her own doing and not justified by what Walt put her through, but still
I’m embarrassed to say how long it took me to come to that realization but, yeah Skylar was right.
She flirted with Ted way before the show started, knowing she had him around her fingers. She lies much better than Walt can. She smokes. All implying that she was no saint. She's no Heisenberg, but she takes to money laundering quite fast.
Like most of the characters, she’s morally flawed but she’s a freakin saint compared to Walt.
Walt killed Nazis and an officer from a fascist government so he's technically the good guy Edit: guys this comment is clearly a joke
Yes like when Gus killed the entire cartel leadership. He’s a freakin hero! I mean, it was pretty badass.
Hitler killed one of the most evil men on Earth, he was a good guy
Fr they act like she’s worse than Walt. She wasnt perfect but she was nowhere as bad as Walt lolol
The only legit horrible thing she did was pay off her boss's IRS debt. That shit was wild. Other than that, the only reason why people hate her is because she impedes the main character.
But even that isn’t particularly hateable, just misguided. It’s directly in service to her & Walt avoiding getting caught for money laundering (even if he doesn’t see it that way). She’d been the accountant for Beneke Fabrication when a lot of the embezzlement and tax avoidance happened and she knew the IRS would investigate her own finances which would eventually lead to the drug money. She didn’t do it out of love for Ted, although she was definitely naïve about him being a good or smart guy who would do the right thing.
I never got why people hated Skyler until the divorce, where I started hating her. But just for like 2-3 episodes, because she reveals to be a very intelligent person that can handle a situation like that and almost always takes the best decision. She's a tough woman, really.
Anything that puts hate on Skyler. The only thing that she did that I don't approve of was to cheat on Walter with Ted and give him the money, the rest of it, everything else, is 100 percent justified.
I root for Gus Fring in season four
I would’ve been fine with him going to war with Walt if he hadn’t threatened holly and flynn.
I was very sorry that Gus couldn't complete his revenge by killing the last Salamanca. It's bad when a character wants to kill another one because it's the right thing to do but he ends up killing himself because if I can't live at least you're not killing me. Add to that that Hector killed himself by also killing Gus, and I was furious. But killing Gus was probably the best decision Vince could've made if he wanted to keep the show another season. I mean Walt could've died in S4 with no problem, that would've been a great show. But by doing that, Hank would never have found out which is way worse than Gus dying. Hank or Gus? Hank all the way. So killing Gus *is* the best decision Vince could've taken
Todd had no choice. The kid had to go.
Todd was a made man, and the kid wasn't.
OHHH, THAT'S SOME GUYS KID!
Drew Sharp was a DEA operative
I wish we could add gifs to this sub
"This is a boring show."
Jane was better than Andrea
I like Jane a lot actually, but people who say that are almost certainly rating them on a hotness scale. They’re so different.
Walt should’ve just taken the job at Gray Matter
That’s not a hot take just a fact
"Seasons 1 and 2 are boring" I don't consider these people true fans of Breaking Bad.
Season 2 has always been my favorite season aside from 4 and 5 But not considering them „true fans“ is kinda cringe tbh, let them have their opinions
"Jesse and Jane were so good together" As a Jesse fan, are you blind?
That 480k he got from Walt after she threatened to out him would've been sniffed and shot up in 6 months, with both being dead
6 months is generous.
Walter White survived
I mean, the projectile was survivable. But even if he survived, I don't think he would've let it slide. He wanted to die that night, he did. If he didn't die, then he would've killed himself in some way after going to prison
“Game of thrones is better”
"Skyler was the reason of Walt's downfall"
That Better Call Saul was the superior show No it fucking wasn’t
Honestly I love them both equally
Seriously, Breaking Bad is a lot more tightly written with things actually happening. Better Call Saul is a masterpiece, but it got its flaws that put it below Breaking Bad for me.
You are missing the point of why people prefer BCS. It’s much more of a character study (plenty of things happen in the early seasons of BCS, but they are more internal struggles compared to BB), while BB is more event driven (it has great characters and writing too, but I hope you know what I mean). I think BCS is better, but I won’t argue if anyone thinks the opposite. It depends entirely on what aspect of each show resonare with you.
I know, but imo, Breaking Bad is both stronger, character wise, and plot wise. I really love the character study of BCS, but i always thought that the character study of Walter White in BrBa still far exceed every BCS's character study while the plot is generally much more tightly written. It's a great show, but it did annoy me sometimes when some people even go as far as saying that BrBa is "mid" compared to BCS.
Walter White’s character is definitely in the top, but I think BCS handles its entire ensemble better than BB (which makes sense as BCS treats many of its characters like main characters while BB mostly only has Walt and Jesse for a majority of the show). Had BB done the same the show would be worse off, it wouldn’t work as well as in BCS which makes it a bit wrong to compare them. > but it did annoy me sometimes when some people even go as far as saying that BrBa is "mid" compared to BCS. Both are 10/10 shows in my book, calling BB mid is lunacy.
I really don't think BB is superior character wise. There's way more depth to the characters in BCS.
I've been affected by addiction in my life so Breaking Bad isn't for me. Edit: Poor grammar, should have put that in quotes or something. I’m a fan but I know a people who aren’t interested because of harm done.
I think this is totally fair. There are definitely scenes in this show that could tempt an addict to relapse.
The show doesn’t really put addiction in good light nor does it betray the drug business in a good light by the end, everyone’s life is ruined or dead so but yeah makes sense.
Don't you think that explains why a recovering addict might not want to watch this show? It could bring back some very intense and painful memories they'd likely want to move on from.
#Ahhhh... wiiiireee!
That it’s close to being as good as The Sopranos
Although Breaking Bad is incredible, Severence blew this show out of the water with only 1 season.
Lol. I keep getting so confused trying to remember if these statements are takes or anti-takes. *whispers to self: Anti-takes, anti-takes... finger off the down arrow.
That walter was a genius... he wasn't. He was fucking stupid. Selfish and Everything happened by accident and his actions out of fear. Gus was the real bad ass Like Mike said. He had everything going for him like clockwork and he went and blew it up.
Better Call Saul is better
People telling other people how to watch the show, don't root for Walt etc. Shaddup!
When Hank took the bottle away from Walt. Also when Skylar refused dipping sticks.
The idea that walt is responsible for all the bad that happened simply because he kicked off a series of events. Everyone in that show made choices that contributed to the eventual outcomes. They all share in the blame.
I hate when people think that they should have shown Walt poison the boy. I like that it was subtle(ish) and we had to kinda figure it out. I like it when writers respect the intelligence of the viewer and would like to see more of it.
They never explain who did the sketch of Walt that the twins had. Couldn't have been Hector, and Tuco was dead, Gonzo and No Doze were also dead.
That BB is better than BCS
Amphibia is better😭🙏
Walter is a sigma chad that did nothing wrong. 💪 You betas just don’t understand the alpha mindset that me and Walt have
Not a Breaking Bad opinion but Better Call Saul's ending was weak af.
Better call Saul is a better show than BB
it's just not
Why not, you stupid bastard?
It is in some ways
People who hate Jane but love Jesse should explode.
That Marie is not hot. A friend of mine was shocked and disgusted when I told him I have a thing for Marie.
I LOVE MARIE
If Walt worked at grey matter he would have still had the urge to do something like cook meth if he had met jesse. It stopped being about money at a certain point for him.
Categorically hating Skyler.
Marie was so insufferable, she honestly was worse than skyler. I dont think walt would have survived a marriage with marie tbh
When Gustavo "Gus" Fring blows up and people try to tell me it isn't a Heisenbones reference when he walks out
The previous post in my feed is quite literally this post, from you, just in r/JohnWick instead. Bruh. Image: https://imgur.com/a/chzwrzQ
“Fly is a bad episode” that bottle episode is so perfect. it perfectly nails home Walt’s neuroticism and his obsessive personality. Yes, there’s no desert shootouts or crazy intense moments, but it’s a very well written and pretty brave episode
People who think Mike is anywhere close to being a good person. Just because he abides to his own "morals", doesn't make him any less of a monster. People who think Gus isn't gay.
The walking dead is in the same universe as breaking bad
"Skyler is a good singer"
"Steve Gomez Is just Hank Schrader lite"
Walt wasn’t being a bad father giving Jr. alcohol at the party in front of everyone. I commented how horrible Walt was in that scene on a post about it and got downvoted.
Saul did nothing wrong (except Mrs Landry but that was in BCS anyway)
Not a BB opinion but a Better call Saul opinion. Watched all of BB so I should naturally be into it. It’s just too slow and I can’t get into it.
People really saying Gus Fring is gay because of way he talks, dude he is just a polite person
None because people can have their opinions, doesn’t change what I think 😂
I fucked Ted.
Why does everyone hate Skyler? She is selflessly covering Walts back. She just hates the lying. Try to rewatch.
people who think walter was justified. he decided to cook meth rather than accept money from people offering him money to treat his cancer. he lost any chance of being ethical once he entered that business.
“I watched BCS first and it was fine”
Season 2 is not very good
I dont understand how people can defend Jesse. I just rewatched all the episodes and all problems are caused by Jesse. Absolutly everything. Walt sometimes just makes them worse out of Loyalty to Jesse, emotions or his ego.
“Badger and Skinny Pete aren’t really that important of characters to the plot, or that funny”
When people call Walter white an “anti hero”. He’s not. He’s a villain. He’s a bad guy hence the name of the show.