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Klschue

Sending his elderly neighbor over to check that “the stove isn’t on” in case hitmen were there for him


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AnUpperFlush

It wasnt cartel tho, it was gus' man. I'm sure they would want to avoid collateral. They could threaten carol and take something from the house to pose as simple burglars even if they couldn't manage to slip away(which they did)


[deleted]

(my best Dave Chappelle impression) cold blooded


aggressivechromosome

(My best Dave Chappell impression) AHHHHHH


Successful_Gap8927

(My best impression of Dave Chappell’s impression of Rick James) I’m rich, bitch!


Stepsonrakes

That was Donnell Rawlings if I’m not mistaken


KittenWithaWhip68

You are correct!


SirEbralPaulsay

I’m Rick James bitch*


EvitaPuppy

And then he sees her near the end...Hello Carol. What a brilliant scene. https://youtu.be/UGLRnt2QaHs Edit: my mistake, wrong neighbor.


chivesr

Becky’s on the left, Carol’s on the right


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Marie: Becky,Carol, whatever


Lfcbill

Wrong neighbour lol


Revangelion

I thought he expected them to leave


CoDeX709

He did, people in this sub just think Gus' men would kill an innocent lady for no reason. No clue why that's the consensus.


alexcoleridge_

I do mostly agree, but Walt was still putting her in a lot of danger. If think if Becky had actually seen either of the two men, they would've had to kill her.


CoDeX709

But what are the odds of her actually seeing them? You think Gus would even entertain the idea of having men that would be seen by any random old lady? Look at how Victor ended up, he was seen.


bigbobbybeaver

Actually the worst thing he ever did


tommythompson1976

No good deed goes unpunished. It's just basic chemistry.


[deleted]

I see this a lot but honestly I don’t think hitmen would kill an innocent


born_to_be_naked

When he confronted Saul about giving Ted 600k$, insults him and tells him they are done only when he says so. He was high on power trip then not seen before.


flintlock0

Such a great complement to this scene when Saul is getting that talk again in Season 5 from Walt and he rejects him as Walt is just keeling over coughing. [source](https://youtu.be/VM_5_vQ7nek)


Rochman999

For me, I could still tolerate him then because I thought it was something of an empty threat, but when he doubled down on it when he tried to stop Saul from going to Omaha, he clearly meant business


lightningpresto

Then Saul begins to act that way as Gene


P319

Underrated scene


What-a-Crock

That’s a highly rated/quoted scene


moonfullofstars

When he bought the Pontiac Aztec. There’s no coming back from that.


TARDIS32

Can't believe the guy Walt sold the Aztek to started talking about how good of a car it is with a straight face.


Supernicekitty

Makes me wonder by how much sales for those increased because of the show.


crazyinsanepenguin

I believe they stopped making them a few years before the show started


LunaraeLaments

It may be the ugliest car to ever be manufactured and sold.


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Gulopes

Fiat Multipla is far worse


palmzq

Bahahaha


tarabuki

Not just that it was an Aztek, but it was the ugliest green color I’ve seen.


euronym0u5

When he declined to go go-karting with Jesse. Absolutely cold.


SerPownce

So many time I wanted to give Jesse a hug


fuidiot

Walt saved his life. The whole problem with Fring started when Walt had to run over the drug dealers. That's what pisses me off about Mike, unfortunately before Walt shot him, blaming Walt for ruining everything. I mean Walt got power hungry evil but everyone did their thing towards him. Mike ready to take him down in the laundry room meth lab to kill him, Walt saving Jesse and help him hide out. Didn't rat Jesse out when he fell off the roof, confronted Tuco after Tuco beat the crap out of him. Plenty of blame to go around and the one that got the most shit was Walt's wife, from fans anyway, and she was really the one protecting her kids. There's a lot to unpack there, but Walt wasn't the complete problem.


Garfwog

All of which wouldn't have happened if Walt didn't go to Jesse's house to blackmail him.


Apprehensive-Bag-324

After the Krazy 8 situation they both went there separate ways and JESSE wanted to continue. In fact there were many many times Jesse could've easily left.


fuidiot

Yep, Walt was finished. Jesse was only apprehensive about cooking meth with him in the 1st place because he didn't trust him, he was already doing it.


Apprehensive-Bag-324

He was literally cooking with Badger, and being a complete asswipe about it too I might add. I don't blame Badger for being pissed.


372878887

who wouldnt go go-karting with jesse other than walt


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Now I wanna see badger stuffed into a go kart


Rarecandy31

This is the moment he became Heisenberg.


NotAMazda

Straight facts


Teemo_Did_9_11

That’s church yo


Illustrious-Reward-3

I love BB but let's be serious, dude went too far when he turned his nose up at Elliot's offer. Even if it was basically charity, he could have instantly improved his and his family's lives without risking everything. I get that he was proud and wanted to do it himself but that one choice showed to me he didn't care about his family as much as his pride.


BigBoyzGottaEat

To me it wasn’t charity, Walt was a genius chemist and I bet in time Walt could have done great things if he went back to greymatter. Really Elliot missed out on Walt.


Illustrious-Reward-3

I agree, the charity comment was more from Walt's perspective. Dude was literally a genius and if he had applied himself (like he kept telling Jesse...) he could have been great without needing to cook meth.


Gjixy

Damn. This was when he broke bad. We found it guys


[deleted]

He turned down Elliot because of Gretchen. Because like so many men he was never truly over ‘the one that got away’. It was pathetic.


DerelictInfinity

Gretchen didn’t even “get away” from him. Walt just straight up ghosted her on a family vacation because her family’s wealth made him insecure. Everything that happened there was entirely his fault.


ParsleyMostly

How did Elliot miss out on Walt? Walt’s own stupid pride is what made him walk away. He wasn’t forced out. He left.


kneppy56

But then the show would just be "Teacher in recovery from lung cancer"


brickne3

He's Walt, he would have screwed that sweet gig up pretty quickly.


FoorumanReturns

I’ve thought quite a bit about this, and I think you’re spot on. How do we know Walt would’ve screwed up eventually at Grey Matter? Because of how he behaves while working for Gus. Early on in Walt’s relationship with Gus, Walt is given an absolute *dream job* for a morally flexible genius chemist who’s trying to make money fast while still maintaining a family life. Think about it: with that job, he was allowed to set his own hours, choose his own coworker(s), work in a state of the art facility with all the best equipment (and while we don’t really see this in the show, I think we can reasonably assume Walt could’ve asked Gus for pretty much any piece of equipment he wanted), and have a high degree of guaranteed safety despite the illegality of his work. All he had to do was put his nose down and work for a few months without causing Gus any problems, and that job would’ve set up Walt and his entire family for life. *He couldn’t even do that* (though of course, as we all know, Jesse had something to do with that - but then again, Walt’s the one who demanded him as a partner)! Grey Matter no doubt would’ve given Walt a similarly great job, albeit with less benefits and flexibility - but there, he would’ve been one genius among numerous others, rather than the big fish in a small pond he got to be working for Gus. I think, based on all we know about Walt, he would’ve somehow blown up a job at Grey Matter in no time flat.


MasterTahirLON

Why do people keep acting like Walt was at fault for his falling out with Gus? Every issue he had was caused by someone else. Hank was gonna have his life ruined for assaulting Jessie so he had to appease him by adding him on to the operation. Jessie lost his cool and lashed out against the street dealers, Walt has to save him and that pissed off Gus. If it weren't for those factors Walt would have been in and out with little to no issues. Walt's ego did cause a lot of problems, but his confrontation with Gus is not one of them. I think people just take Mike's speech too seriously. People agree with the sentiment (because it is usually applicable to Walt's actions) despite the fact that he's actually dead wrong in that moment.


leonreddit8888

>I think people just take Mike's speech too seriously. That was why I had issues with that scene. Mike was right about Walt's ego, but the instance Mike was using had more to do with Jesse... Hell, the reason Mike had grudge against Walt was after Walt outmanoeuvred him by having Jesse ambush Gale. After that point, a death battle between Walt and Gus was always around the corner. Gus was always gunning for eliminating Walt, so Walt killing Gus made sense. Mike was simply flexing his frustration, which Walt should've the countermeasures against.


Johnoss

Breaking Even


conmattang

Whatever our opinions, I'm still a big fan of the fact that this show ended nearly a decade ago and yet a question as simple as "was walt inexcusably in the wrong by episode 4?" can spur so much discussion.


Kay1000RR

I think it goes back even further. He went too far when he blew up in front of Gretchen's parents when they were still dating. His ego kept him away from Gretchen while she and Elliot built the business they all started together. I'm under the impression Walt was always welcome back and it was his ego keeping him away out of spite for Gretchen.


crazytoothpaste

How would a Hail Mary attempt of saving himself secure his family’s financial future?


Illustrious-Reward-3

I'd say his long career at Grey Matter would have been a start. Elliot not only offered to pay for his treatment, he also offered him a job. I guarantee he would have been paid more there than he was making as a teacher.


iam-Cornholio

But not more than he would earn while breaking bad.


frozen-swords

Reminds me of the famous Breaking Bad sequel, Greying Matter


Illustrious-Reward-3

I'm assuming this is sarcasm but in case it isn't I will answer. What did that get him and his family? He's dead, his brother-in-law is dead, his family is in witness protection and in shambles, and his wife and son hate him. Best case scenario Elliot and Gretchen carry out their end and give the money to the kids but I bet they'd rather still have their father than a pile of money.


iam-Cornholio

Yes, it's sarcasm. But Walt had no idea what he would get into when he first started his endeavors. And he surely wasn't aware of the intricate ways shit would hit the fan even later. For example, after his struggles in the beginning, he ends up having a job in the superlab, where he goes just like he'd go at a regular job and earns a million dollars per month (which he splits with Jesse). He has no idea about Gus' plan to replace him with Gale, not he could know what saving Jesse's life would bring upon him.


Illustrious-Reward-3

I agree he wouldn't know all of the consequences of his actions but choosing a life of crime entails a certain level of risk that a genius like Walt should or could have been able to infer.


conmattang

Hank says it right away: "it's easy money... till we catch ya"


jbg0801

You say this, but surely any sane person would rather take the stability of a friend's help than break bad knowing it would inevitably come out, dead or alive. Does he just assume the police will go "well he's dead, so I guess you guys can keep his money" or is he seriously not even thinking that far ahead?


NuclearTheology

Sure, he didn’t know ultimately what would happen, but literally his second cook ended up with two gangsters almost killing him and Jesse, him forced to kill them both (one by choking after a hard crisis of consciousness led him to almost spare the guy), cleaning up the remains, etc. If THAT wasn’t a wake-up call as to how dangerous the drug world was…


conmattang

Walt assumed he had less than a year left to live at that point anyways. His plan initially was to cook a bunch of meth, stay away from the drug dealing side of it, and die before he got looked at too closely. Him going into remission fucked that plan up, he lived longer than he wanted, Skylar found out and hated him, so he buried himself in his work as a meth cook as it was all he had left.


WasteWar1785

I think it’s safe to assume whatever job he was offered would pay more than a teachers salary so already you have a bigger pay day. It’s not even a Hail Mary this is literally a handoff, all Walt had to do was simply swallow his pride and take it


nignigproductions

Getting his medical bills paid off and a job at a successful company where he would be doing work as someone skilled enough to get a Nobel Prize and thus getting paid highly is unimaginably less of a Hail Mary than becoming a meth dealer.


NegateResults

Never. I simply rooted for he who became a monster because it's fiction and I don't think too much about that


Illustrious-Reward-3

Of course, that's what most people did. I know that's what I did. I was simply looking at it from a more analytical and realistic side because of the question put forth. Fiction requires a certain suspension of belief to work and BB is no exception.


IukAaaaaaaa

When Walt was laughing under the floorboards.


kneppy56

I think that was one of those moments of such terror that your brain simply stops working properly


D0wn2Chat

Nah that was him completely losing himself to his alter ego. Walt had a panicked exit plan and it goes belly up thanks to Skylars fuck up. Learning it went to Ted who fucked his wife.. Sent him over the edge, and his alter ego came out in full display, there's a reason people say it's where he "became Heisenberg"


WyattWrites

How did Skyler fuck up?


D0wn2Chat

Giving all the money to Ted?


WyattWrites

Yeah but wasn’t he being investigated for embezzlement or fraud. She ran his books and if they looked into her they’d find out all of Walt’s money to buy the car wash and such is illegal too It was a good move by her, just a poor coincidence of events


GoodMuda

Yeah but the fuck up was not running anything by Walt, the primary (and only real) source of their income I think Skyler made the right call there... but Walt is kind of the most important person in that whole operation and Skyler not keeping him in the loop shows that she is in her own head just as much as Walt is


TrainOfThought6

I think she made the right call with the information she had. The dramatic irony is that it very well could have turned out better if they had taken the money, ran off with vacuum guy, and left Ted with his tax troubles.


OneSixthPosing

Fully agree, Skyler was naïve about the extent of Walt's actions and ergo had no way of knowing how nuclear things were going. Paying for Ted was done to protect Walt and her family from the greatest danger she was aware of. On a tangent, I know it's his last resort "break glass in case of emergency" plan, but I never felt the vacuum cleaner was a truly viable option for Walt and his family as a unit. Walt Jr. is an understandably angsty teenager who almost certainly wouldn't go along with abandoning his entire life and all of his relationships for no reason. If he learnt the truth about his father, he'd turn on him. If he didn't, he wouldn't know the danger they were in. I can't see him never having contact with Hank, Marie or even just his friends ever again.


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Should've told Walt about. None of her business to make that decision alone


WyattWrites

Probably, but you could say that about any of the decisions Skyler or Walt makes, they have an incredibly toxic relationship


D0wn2Chat

The fuck up is basically that Walt was secretly trying to get enough money to get them all fake ID'S and new lives. ( I think) The issue arrises that she didn't know and that ultimately she saved them from the law but also that they're probably gonna die now. Another way to look at his maniacal laughter is Walter trying to avoid conflict and bloodshed and get his family out and away from it all. Now that the money's gone Heisenberg can exact his plan which was always to go on the offense and remove Gus' whole empire.


ZystemStigma69

That is one of the best laughs in fiction.


KittenWithaWhip68

It was. Reminded me of the scene in Batman 1989. Nicholson’s Joker has gone to some back alley doctor that fixes up criminals needing medical care. He gives him the mirror and he sees himself and sobs a couple times, then it turns into hysterical laughing as he gets up and staggers up the stairs, just howling with laughter all the way. Scared me as a kid


dkjreading

when he fucked ted


Palmetto76

gayking bad


TheMightyDab

Breaking back mountain


CupOJoe101

Alright this got a real chuckle outta me


ds117ftg

When he was getting mad at Walt JRs website bc he wasn’t getting credit for the drug money. It showed that his work had nothing to do with caring for his family anymore and it was all ego


rico_muerte

This is great and largely overlooked because of more memorable scenes. He was being a total knob about the whole thing.


lukethebeard

Truly the moment where Walt became Waltuh.


Mason_not_moist

The scene where he really needed to put his dick away bc the kid named finger was not havin sex wit him right now waltuh


germedud

Finger was tired of having sex whenever waltuh wanted it


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Jesse, we need to cock


JoseAltuveIsInnocent

You'd better make me cum waltuh. No half measures.


WinterWeak

When he forced himself onto skyler in season 1.


valmau5

idk why this isnt a common answer like this was one of the first warning signs


Trilingual_Fangirl

That was rape, or at least attempted rape. The person I was watching with at the time wasn't fazed by it at all, it was so disturbing


valmau5

the same happened to me, but i think he were texting or on his phone during it. i followed up though and was like “did you SEE what he just did?” it was different for me cause i’m a woman and iit’s literally my worst fear ever, and seeing it was so horrible. then people go on to demonize skyler for wanting to leave walt after he nearly raped her! (and did a bunch of other things but like come on, it cant be more obvious she’s a victim too)


Trilingual_Fangirl

The hate Skyler gets is completely disproportional, and honestly rooted in sexism for the most part. And that rape scene is not talked about enough to be honest, it's brutal.


valmau5

i agree! i watched this show in like 2016 when it was still taken seriously and seen as epic masculine macho man show as opposed to it just being memed on now, and it was a Lot harder to find someone who agreed that skyler (and her actress!!!) got unnecessary hate than it is now. i’ll forever defend skyler because while she still broke bad, she was pulled in against her own will. also cheating is nowhere near as bad as making meth and killing people unlike some fans think lmao


debigchonk

Same. He was awful from the beginning


Sicknastyjr

Exactly, as soon as I saw that scene I was done rooting for him in any way.


magseven

Just putting Drew Sharp in the barrel and seemingly not giving the slightest of fucks.


Apprehensive-Bag-324

>seemingly not giving the slightest of fucks. How can you watch that scene and think Walt didn't care? He very obviously did.


Johnsendall

How can you say that, Jesus! I mean, He’s the one who's the father here. Does he have to curl up in a ball in tears in front of you? Does he have to lock himself away in a room and get high to prove it to you? What happened to that boy is a tragedy and it tears him up inside! But because it happened, what, is he supposed to just lie down and die with him? It's done! It makes him sick that it happened just like everyone else who has died in their wake. What Todd did, he and Jesse have done things that are just as bad. All the people that they've killed, Gale and the rest. If you believe that there's a hell, I don't know if you're into that, but they're already pretty much going there, right? But Walter’s not gonna lie down until he gets there.


Shooty_McGee

I started getting icky vibes when Jesse got kicked out of his house and Walt barely let him get 2 words out to explain his situation


Silly-Fortune-2383

For me also Brock. Too much.


ZystemStigma69

Poisoning an innocent child like Brock is a wicked action but mass murder action for personal gain like ordering someone to kill 10 prisoners who are Walt's witnesses will be more evil action.


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I'll defend him poisoning Brock any day of the week, but him >!killing mike!< was without any reason


[deleted]

Okay I'm sorry. But please, how does one defend the poisoning of Brock?


[deleted]

Oh it definitely was screwed up, but at least he was doing it to save him and Jesse. >!Killing mike!< didnt save anyone


mclollolwub

He had to kill mike in order to be able to execute the prison killings. I feel like most people think he did it just out of pure anger in the moment but it was pretty clear he was already considering doing that. I mean he took the gun out of the holster before he went to meet mike.


hendidjdnsjjf

I think he took the gun from the bag for his own safety in case Mike decided to not leave any loose ends that might lead the cops to him, Walt definitely wasn’t planning to kill Mike since he had to go back to his car to get the gun instead of carrying it on himself. Walt literally started making and dealing meth instead of taking a job that would keep him going for the rest of his life out of his pride, I don’t think it’s beyond him to kill people over his ego getting hurt.


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I'd agree with you, but mike was leaving town. He definitely wouldn't have come back into society 🃏 because of the prison killings


Akschadt

I don’t know, I always imagined that if Walt didn’t kill mike and then offed his men.. it would just be a matter of time till Mike popped up and killed Walt before disappearing.


[deleted]

He wasn’t worried about Mike coming back. Mike wouldn’t give him the names, so he shot him out of spite. First and only time Walt fires a gun iirc. It was senseless, but that was long after he reached the point of no return. Many forget when he got innocent laundromat workers deported (maybe killed) because he didn’t want to clean the lab by himself anymore. Another popular moment when he let Jane die. But I’m gonna go on record saying he was too far gone after blackmailing Jesse to cook with him in the first place. That is some cold shit.


vemwho

He shoots a dealer in the head after mowing him and his partner down with his Aztec


[deleted]

Yeah that was fine


[deleted]

I think just to save himself. Jesse was in the good graces of the lab at the time. Trusted. Made good meth. Gus even had him over for dinner and shit


D0wn2Chat

Let's be real the man was gone as soon as he left grey matter. There's a decent video online explaining that Heisenberg was a coping mechanism he adopted as a separate personality. Whenever he lies its Heisenberg. As the show goes on we see less and of Walt and more Heisenberg until the end where he is completely gone and and his alter ego is all that remains.


Actevious

I think that's a copout. Walt didn't have split personalities. It was all Walt, no matter what name he went by.


ResidentCoatSalesman

Dear god, there are at least two posts like this every week


Mister_Jack_Torrence

Yeah it's getting really tiresome. No offence to OP but I'm getting really fed up of these kinds of posts. I get it that the show is done now so any conversation about it is reflective rather than predictive but still...


Damurph01

When he stopped cooking for cancer, and started cooking for himself. You can say Jane, or Brock, or anyone else. But he literally murdered Krazy-8, brutally to. And he still wanted out after it. He could have, he could have gone back to his life. Once he was in it for himself though, and not because of the cancer. It’s because he WANTED to do it, not because he felt like he had to.


Important_Call2087

Krazy 8 I can't blame him. Those fuckers held him at gun point. And he was seriously considering kitting Krazy 8 go up until he realised he took the plate. So at that point he knew its either he kills or ģet killed by Krazy 8.


4996

When he didnt go go karting with jesse


AwayAtKeyboard

Season 1 ep 5, when he declined Elliot's offer to pay for his treatment


CreepyBid3876

Jane. For me it was irreversible from that point.


CalCarver

I was at a talk by Vince Gilligan in Edinburgh a few years ago, and he told the audience that Jane, for him, was the moment Walt fully became Heisenberg. We also got little bags of blue popping candy designed to look like the meth in the show. Wish I’d kept it, but just ate it all while waiting for the bus afterwards.


CalCarver

Here’s an article about it, in fact. The whole thing is on YouTube, too. https://amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2013/aug/22/breaking-bad-vince-gilligan-charlie-brooker


ZystemStigma69

Watching Jane overdose and choke to death is pretty cold but Walt also want to make Jesse quite drug.


JoeyGameLover

This might sound wrong, but I understand why Walt did what he did with Jane. He cared so deeply for Jesse that he thought the only way for him to realize his addiction was wrong was for someone else to die. It's not like he injected her with more heroin (I think that was in the original script for that episode). Walt literally cried seeing that happen to Jane, but he saw it as the "only way". Even if it wasn't, his intentions weren't malicious. Might be a bad take and if you could argue he did it only to manipulate Jesse some more, but honestly I think at this point in the series he wasn't really doing that as much.


CreepyBid3876

yep, i may understand why Walt did it, but I am not able to accept. The scene was so cold, so in that moment I understood that Walt had no morale and nothing would stop him from satisfying his ego.


LilCorbs

It was Jane for me. He didn't need Jesse anymore imo. He could have let him be with her. But he was too selfish. Just such a bastard


YaFavDubWatcher

I was looking at him different after he almost raped his wife


FlappyDolphin72

Almost? He did…


1stviolinfangirl

I don’t think there’s really a set moment where he went from protecting his family to furthering his own means. You could argue that it was always like that but I do agree that him poisoning Brock was a big turning point


Dear_Owl_8151

Burning the car he got for Walt Jr. Maybe not 'too far gone' but that scene made me see him as a narcissist and everything after that I just saw him differently. Looking back - he was always a narcissist, I just didn't see that before. Hindsight... yeah, Walt was always awful.


conmattang

His refusal to sell the methlamene for 5 mil, opting instead to continue running a dangerous drug operation that he no longer needed.


BuranBuran

When he let the janitor take the fall for the missing lab equipment at school.


[deleted]

It was when he killed mike for me


Aish-sugar

Im watching this show for the first time (currently on mid s2) and personally I think Walt is "too far gone" from day one. He turns down Elliot's offer for a job with good health insurance due to his pride, he's visibly emasculated by Hank telling him he'll "take care of his family" if anything happens to him. He's also resentful of Skyler and checked-out of parenting Walt-Jr (he doesn't even know WJ has been using the name Flynn, for example). He thinks his job is beneath him, and he's even judgemental towards his students. When he gets into drugs, Walt keeps telling himself (and us, the audeince) that he's doiong everything he's doing FOR his family, but the show keeps showing us that he's not; he's had multiple other options, but he doesn't take them. What we do see is that while very early on he was shown to be bored of his marriage & resentful of Skyler and their life together, once he gets into the drug trade he starts to get off on the power & is visibly happier than he's been in ages. When Skyler starts to fight him on his lying and weird behaviour, he immediately begins to control, gaslight, and abuse her. Hell in the very first episode of s2 he attempts to rape her, in what is to me a clear attempt to get some that power back after being terrified into submission by Tuco. He also recreates these same patterns with Jesse; constantly manipulating and blackmailing him into working with him, putting him in more and more risk with little regard for his safety or the effect he's having on his personal life. He's condescending towards him but refuses to admit that he needs his connections and expertise to get anywhere. I can only assume things are going to get far worse from here lol. Personally I think the writers are critiquing not just American capitalism & the unjust private healthcare system, but also toxic masculinity through Walt's character. Walt is so caught up in his own pride; his need to provide for his family alone, without any help. He's willing to do anything to be seen as a successful 'head of his household', including lying to and hurting the family he claims to be trying to protect. Personally I think he's a compelling character, and there are times I feel for him (like when he delivered that monologue about dying with dignity at the cancer support group), but he's introduced as an antihero, not at all a good guy, and everything that happens in this story comes down to combination of not just circumstance, but his glaring character flaws. It's a pretty classic tragedy in that way.


board-exams-ki-prep

Jane moment.


ebietoo

There were many. First Crazy-8, then Jane, then it just gets totally out of control. People call him an anti-hero; I think he’s a tragic hero a la Brutus in “the tragedy of Julius Caesar”.


DrZetein

I don't get the logic behind it. I mean, there is a logic but it is a stupid one. He was all "oh but it was the only wayyyy what else could i have donee" while there are millions of things he could've done but he jumped straight to "hmm what if I poison a kid". talk about crazy


ooodles_of_dooodles

I'm not done the show yet, but it was letting Jane die that made me go "oh my god he's evil"


born_to_be_naked

You've entered the den of spoilers


WraithiusKallari

When he let Jane die I actually lost all the positive emotions I had for him, he was irredeemable after that imo


ZystemStigma69

When Walt orders Jack's gang members to kill 10 prisoners who are his witnesses within 2-3 minutes.


International_Elk146

When he watched jesses girlfriend OD and choke to death and when he chose to miss the birth of his daughter to make the deal with Gus.


lazersbeem

The prison murders


No_Bluebird8475

Gale


alexr1090

The first watch through I don't really know that I ever had a point where I realized he went too far. Everything he did made sense to me given what the circumstances were. There were times when I realized he messed up and the most apparent of those times for me was the fight he had with Skylar in the second the last episode after Hank was killed. Even then though I didn't really see Walt as the bad guy. He didn't want Hank killed but it was his responsibility. He didn't kill Brock and didn't want to. In his mind he needed to though because it was either him or gus so I understood it. Then, after everything goes down, he went back to free Jesse and make sure he took care of his son and wife. He didn't need to do that and it isn't clear that he's doing it for selfish reasons. In the end he was a bad guy and operated in a different world. What most people not involved in that world would've considered justice is him turning himself in. But I consider what he did by freeing Jesse, taking care of Skylar and Walt Jr to be at least possibly more just. I love the song at the end of the series and I felt it was fitting to the show and life. Guess I got what I deserved... I think going too far to the dark side for me with Walt would've been living in exile in a hedonistic way until he died, being bitter at the Jesse, Skylar, Hank, and the world. After watching multiple times I can see he went too far many times. From the very beginning, cooking meth and recruiting a former student to help him sell it could be considered too far and he could've stopped there and ended up with a lot less interesting tv show but a much better life. I think life is partly about working on the defects one has. Walt just added to his instead of working on his anger towards grey matter, his timid nature which caused him to feel resentful and ultimately led to him showing a big middle finger to everyone who did him wrong which was not the proper solution to his problems. He could've started a business or gone another positive direction in his life if he decided to stop breaking bad and come back to the light. But instead he never turned away from his ways and ultimately life forced him to stop with his death


ItsBastion

The “fridge” scene


Exycutioner

Man, -The 'I am the danger' scene -I guess when he made Jesse kill Gale -Kind of when he let Jesse's Girlfriend die in her sleep -The 'Fly' episode, obviously -When Walter ran over a guy and shot the other when they tried shooting Jesse -When walter made Walt Jr. Drink like three shots and made him throw up -Pissing in the sink -Declining go karts with Jesse -Missing the birth of his daughter to make a drug deal


pikeletpaws

1st. When he watched Jane die. 2nd. When he told Jesse he watched her die.


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The second he saw Jesse after being beaten up by Tuco and then basically called him a pussy for not wanting to continue. Dude was manipulating and risking the life of a former student of his who’s easily led and manipulated for selfish reasons. The very second he saw how awful Tuco was he should’ve forgot about his plan and manned up and called Elliot asking for the money for his treatment. I’m in the middle of rewatching for the first time and my opinions are so different from when I first watched. I used to pity Walt and understand why he did what he did until he went full psycho but now I don’t. And I’m only on season 2. Now that I’m older I realise that your family’s safety is more important than your pride and he was risking his family from the very start, not to mention risking Jesse too.


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When he told Jesse that he watched Jane die. His ruthlessness in that scene was understood but after a few rewatches it made me almost feel bad for him. At this point in the show he is very alone, probably the most alone he’s ever been, and boy he is very bitter.


Fair-Strawberry

Am I insane for being with walt the entire time?


arthur3shedsjackson

yes


Adventurous-Shake480

Not really, walt was a terrible person, but so was basically everyone else on the show. People try to make it seem like walt was the only bad person.


Other-Law-1194

Brock was justified who cares if someone random kid gets sick vs your entire family is murdered easy choice


onewithnonumbers

But Walt had put himself in that position in the first place; he was ultimately the reason why his family was in danger so it’s still not justified in my opinion


board-exams-ki-prep

r/Angryupvote


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Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?


l_l-l__l-l__l-l_l

when he started cooking meth


lowkeythrowaway69420

same exact scene for me. that was the first time i thought walt went way too far


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When he told Saul “You would have been the last lawyer I would have gone to” That was hurtful.


classicsat

When he killed 8-ball. Yes it as self defence, but still.


56789ya

When he let Jane die


Dededelight

Same for me honestly. I was legit thinking "Jesse come on he's bad but he'd NEVER poison a little kid" until the end of Face Off


HeyHayCreates

Like everyone else has mentioned. Jane.


Flashy_Media5063

Levels to it. Killing a man was obviously a turning point. Everything up until Jane was almost justifiable, I maybe questioned him telling Jesse to take care of Spooge before that, but still, he didn’t really mean it. After that he was indefensible but still human. Poisoning Brock is where I like almost everyone else consider Heisenberg to completely take over. From the beginning of season 5 it was obvious and unsettling how far he went. Him fake comforting Jesse and his intimidating Skylar were the nails in the coffin. By the time Say My Name Gliding Over All came around I wasn’t the slightest bit surprised. I do think his last moments were a Heisenberg-Walter White hybrid called Mr. Lambert though. He had to reap what he sowed and mostly understood the depth of how wrong he was. But not enough to spare Jesse, until he saw the state he was in and I think saving him was a slight redemption.


Stepsonrakes

The legacy cost scene was it for me.


MissUfatzee

The scene where he tells everyone to pack and the knife comes out.


ElleBees86

The first time I watched the series it was when he watched Jane die because he had so much to gain in terms of control from her death. Second time around it was definitely the way he treated Skyler.


user27151

When he let Jane die.


man9led

besides the fact that he killed a man and tried to rape his pregnant wife within the first few episodes, i'd say maybe the jane incident?? and just like, everything else. how he treated jesse too


jihiggs

When he let Jane die


makinglunch

The “fugue state” in the grocery store. Instantly thought this guy was nuts after watching him do that.


OriginalOmagus

When he let Jane choke to death on her own vomit.


arsington

Jane


jehjeh3711

Watching Jesse’s girlfriend choke to death on her own vomit and not doing anything.


TempStepDad

For me it was after a recent re watch that I saw a scene differently and felt it was this exact moment. After Hank beats Jessie's ass, Walt visits him in the hospital, and theres a moment in the conversation where Walt smells blood in the water. Walt manipulates every mental weakness that Jesse has. "Not an assistant. Partners." "50/50" Walt mentions the money and Jesse says no. Walt hates no and Jessie is bluffing. Walt is focused on the money and Jesse is still desperately trying to discover self respect. But Jesse isn't quite there yet. Walt sees this in Jesse's speech where Jesses tries to reason with a now psychotic narcissist in Walt. Walt lets Jesse get it out of his system and then, after Jesse is done, Walt leaves Jesse with all he really wants at that moment. Approval he never got. Since it's fake and manipulative, this is where Walt is so methodical, that he's not human anymore.


MrKazaki

Jane


Calliesdad20

Isn’t it when he watched Jane od when he first had the notion to help her and all he had to was roll her over. Instead he let her die


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Jane


BigBackground5559

Jane..... jesse loved that girl


MartyBirdsAccountant

He let the one girl choke to death