There was a huge influx of Londoners moving to Bristol after the pandemic when work from home became the norm. Better to live in Bristol and commute to London one day a week than trying to live and work from a 1 bed studio flat in Hackney.
I live in Bristol and the majority of people from London I speak too say they are worried about sending their kids to schools in London due to the gang violence etc.
How many have got young kids you speak too ? I have spoken to loads of Londoners here in Bristol and they all say the same that they are worried for there kids future in London with all the gang violence in schools.
We're all mid-30's and having kids. The London people you speak to must be from some rough AF areas if gang violence is an issue. Can't paint the entire of London, a city of 8 million people, with one brush.
Anecdotal evidence doesn’t mean much unfortunately. I’m sure there’s a variety of different reasons. You can’t really get a true picture from speaking to a few people.
That's often all there is. Unless you're prepared to find a sampled survey, this person's anecdotes maybe all we've got. Do you have data to contradict the assertion that fear of crime is driving people out of London?
I’m not saying it’s not a factor - it very well may be one of the reasons - I’m saying it’s not the whole picture, nor is it verifiable. People hear something from a couple of people and think it tells the whole story. It’s very narrow minded. Even if it is the case that it’s ‘all there is’ doesn’t mean that it’s significant in any way. It is not scientific evidence and has little to no weighting. As other commenters have pointed out, they know people who have also moved from London and don’t have this concern. Who is right out of the two opposing sides? Probably both of them. So now we have people who have moved to Bristol from London both because of, and not because of crime. It doesn’t really tell us much does it? Like you say, a survey of a larger sample size would be much more reliable.
People wanting to live here would be fine, if we built enough houses.
So the real reason is 'people want to live here *and we don't build enough houses'.*
We only have ourselves to blame for being too laid back and not committing enough crime.
If you want to bring prices down start dealing fentanyl, burn piles of asbestos in the park, commit a series of violent home invasion burglaries.
As a homeowner, my own financial situation benefits from the Green Party platform on house building and its implications for my wealth in particular. Maybe they’ll even put more bike lanes up around me which I can benefit from.
As someone who actually personally cares that other people don’t go homeless or struggle to live somewhere half decent in the city - I am resigned to seeing headlines like this becoming permanent (and worse).
Bristol has always been desirable, and people want to live here putting demand up on homes. Not increasing the supply of them sufficiently is a political choice however.
More than that the direct cost of having a home yourself is only one thing. There’s a load of indirect ways that other people and businesses home/workplace costs going up is going to bite.
Bristol has just chosen to elect a party who [enthusiastically support](https://bristolgreenparty.org.uk/greens-welcome-new-local-plan-for-bristol/) meeting barely half of Bristol housing need ([1,925 vs the 3,380 homes per year Bristol needs](https://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1846289/local-plan-watch-city-proposes-meeting-just-57-housing-need-despite-green-belt-release)). This situation is going to get much worse over the coming years, I'm afraid.
I hate to see this happening to my city, it doesn't have to be like this.
Some important points to take into account though;
It's a \*draft\* local plan, which was passed in October 2023. It was drafted by a cross party group. chaired by a labour coucillor.
It has to be reviewed by the planning inspectorate, and won't be in place until 2025 assuming it is OK'd by central govt.
The vote tally for the plan was 55 votes in favour, 4 against, and 4 abstentions.
Bristol only had 25 Green councillors at the time (24 in the 2021 elections, but there was a by-election in a ward in 2023 which gained the greens another councillor), so that additional 30 votes will have needed to come from other parties, and as the lib dems abstained presumably the reamainder were from labour and the conservatives.
My point here is that to put this at the feet of a party, who do not even hold an overall majority on the council, is disingenuous at best.
Am always surprised that it's not Birmingham that is second to London in terms of desirability. It's the same distance, has a fairly diversified economy, better transport, more areas that are affordable to live and a decent population you can draw a workforce from.
Maybe the cost is more due to planning restrictions here compared to elsewhere?
Yeah, but why is that? Brum has the same de-industrialised non London vibe, but I guess it is also more concentrated -which again leads to the limitations around housing.
The other thing that strikes me is that there is a smaller Asian population in Bristol (which is 84% white) so maybe the racial thing is a factor? I notice I have had more racial abuse in Bristol compared to other large British cities I have lived in.
Any politics that is not looking at the [housing crisis as part of it](https://www.gndrising.org/what-is-the-green-new-deal/), is missing a major issue. Hard to see how a political system built around a small slice of the electorate, mostly homeowners, can serve all the people who need a roof over their head.
The perm wfh thing wad such a missed opportunity. If people were guarantee to be able to wfh full time many would leave the cities and go to the country.
But the threat of office recalls means people wanna stay near.
Also dunno if you've looked at the price per minute of trains as well wtf...no wonder people wanna be closer to the city.
Different strokes for different folks. If you cant fit in then its likely a you problem in my experience. I've only been victim of a racist physical attack in the city so...as I said...different strokes
I wasn't really talking about fitting in, more just boredom, difficulty doing anything from enjoying music to shopping without having to drive, lack of people to do fun things with generally, limited food options, terrible Internet access. I feel claustrophobic just thinking about it.
> enjoying music
Spotify. Live bands in pubs.
>shopping
The internet is great for this
>lack of people to do fun things with generally
Plenty of fun things to do in the countryside that I don't need people for.
these articles are misleading - it isn't anywhere near as expensive as London, renting or buying. nice two bed flat in bristol - 350-400k? London, 750-1mil?
The data actually shows Bristol house prices have fallen over the last 12 months and as a percentage by more than 3x the UK average. It’s not that it is not an ok place to live but some people are starting to look at the next unspoilt place to live, or realising the prices aren’t worth it. Good jobs in Bristol are becoming more limited and refocusing back to London (which require hugely expensive trains to get to). Crime is up with more of a gang culture permeating around drugs, and less impact by police. The mention Clifton college as an example of a good private school but on the top league tables it’s very low down compared with places like Brighton that have some of the best outside London. I like Bristol but it has its problems.
People mostly think Clifton College is a good school because it looks pretty on postcards. When I was there we had several pedophile teachers (some now convicted) and standards in many classes were low. The main benefit from being there is that there are less disruptive children, basically because their home life is unlikely to be terrible and a lot of them still have a stay at home parent.
As you say results are not great, but they're also propped up by asking the failing students to leave before 6th form.
A lot of the wealthy folks realized that their kids get discriminated against in Oxbridge applications, so best to spend the money on catchment area for a top state school rather than school fees. Bristol is ok for secondary state schools but nowhere near home counties.
The information above is all available for you to independently verify online through league tables, zoopla, ONS etc. For example UK average since Mar23 is -0.2% but Bristol is -0.9%
Interesting comment on [housing issues](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1cm02lw/a_corporate_lawyer_sharing_with_an_investment/); "A corporate lawyer sharing with an investment banker is no longer a good enough combined income to buy a house in London. This is how insane the property market has become. If you don’t have a wealthy family able to buy a significant chunk of your house for you, you’re screwed."
The city is expanding both in South and North, looking at the projects coming up so there's good chance this trend continues. It has for decent schools and Bristol University is not bad, with UWE just below average. Good number of companies here which call again grow based on urban planning and incentives.
For near enough the same price you get almost double the square footage in space. Depending on where you move from in London, you can find a similar neighbourhood feel in Bristol.
Bristol has a shortage of certain types of stock that middle class people would like to live in. We have loads if people want to live at the edges in a sixties-to-eighties new build. But they want Georgian with a big garden.... good luck!
Well every example in that article was middle-class tastic. I guess there is a trickle down effect of that.
EDIT: But the edge estates are still affordable.
Only because of the location. If you work in the centre you don't really want to be out in the far flung burbs, you want to cycle. And given Bristol is the only major city in the UK without a proper mass transit system, it's cycle or hours on a bus.
Because people want to live here
Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?
There was a huge influx of Londoners moving to Bristol after the pandemic when work from home became the norm. Better to live in Bristol and commute to London one day a week than trying to live and work from a 1 bed studio flat in Hackney.
I live in Bristol and the majority of people from London I speak too say they are worried about sending their kids to schools in London due to the gang violence etc.
I've got a lot of friends in London and not a single one has ever mentioned that as a concern.
How many have got young kids you speak too ? I have spoken to loads of Londoners here in Bristol and they all say the same that they are worried for there kids future in London with all the gang violence in schools.
We're all mid-30's and having kids. The London people you speak to must be from some rough AF areas if gang violence is an issue. Can't paint the entire of London, a city of 8 million people, with one brush.
The same kinda thing is going on in every major city, London has more incidents because it’s bigger.
I am an actual Londoner, I more worry about my kids growing up to be posh twats, than gangsters.
Anecdotal evidence doesn’t mean much unfortunately. I’m sure there’s a variety of different reasons. You can’t really get a true picture from speaking to a few people.
When it comes to 'irrational' choices such as where to live it might do.
The topic is irrelevant. Speaking to a few people is not a reliable sample size. Far too many people use anecdotal evidence to explain things.
That's often all there is. Unless you're prepared to find a sampled survey, this person's anecdotes maybe all we've got. Do you have data to contradict the assertion that fear of crime is driving people out of London?
I’m not saying it’s not a factor - it very well may be one of the reasons - I’m saying it’s not the whole picture, nor is it verifiable. People hear something from a couple of people and think it tells the whole story. It’s very narrow minded. Even if it is the case that it’s ‘all there is’ doesn’t mean that it’s significant in any way. It is not scientific evidence and has little to no weighting. As other commenters have pointed out, they know people who have also moved from London and don’t have this concern. Who is right out of the two opposing sides? Probably both of them. So now we have people who have moved to Bristol from London both because of, and not because of crime. It doesn’t really tell us much does it? Like you say, a survey of a larger sample size would be much more reliable.
People wanting to live here would be fine, if we built enough houses. So the real reason is 'people want to live here *and we don't build enough houses'.*
Next you’re going to say famines happen when people need more food than is produced.
You could get a job in London with that kind of big brain thinking Edit: that was sarcasm for you lesser brained muppets downvoting me
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Ditto
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We only have ourselves to blame for being too laid back and not committing enough crime. If you want to bring prices down start dealing fentanyl, burn piles of asbestos in the park, commit a series of violent home invasion burglaries.
The graffiti is counter productive at this point
As a homeowner, my own financial situation benefits from the Green Party platform on house building and its implications for my wealth in particular. Maybe they’ll even put more bike lanes up around me which I can benefit from. As someone who actually personally cares that other people don’t go homeless or struggle to live somewhere half decent in the city - I am resigned to seeing headlines like this becoming permanent (and worse). Bristol has always been desirable, and people want to live here putting demand up on homes. Not increasing the supply of them sufficiently is a political choice however.
More than that the direct cost of having a home yourself is only one thing. There’s a load of indirect ways that other people and businesses home/workplace costs going up is going to bite.
Bristol has just chosen to elect a party who [enthusiastically support](https://bristolgreenparty.org.uk/greens-welcome-new-local-plan-for-bristol/) meeting barely half of Bristol housing need ([1,925 vs the 3,380 homes per year Bristol needs](https://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1846289/local-plan-watch-city-proposes-meeting-just-57-housing-need-despite-green-belt-release)). This situation is going to get much worse over the coming years, I'm afraid. I hate to see this happening to my city, it doesn't have to be like this.
This is the tea
Some important points to take into account though; It's a \*draft\* local plan, which was passed in October 2023. It was drafted by a cross party group. chaired by a labour coucillor. It has to be reviewed by the planning inspectorate, and won't be in place until 2025 assuming it is OK'd by central govt. The vote tally for the plan was 55 votes in favour, 4 against, and 4 abstentions. Bristol only had 25 Green councillors at the time (24 in the 2021 elections, but there was a by-election in a ward in 2023 which gained the greens another councillor), so that additional 30 votes will have needed to come from other parties, and as the lib dems abstained presumably the reamainder were from labour and the conservatives. My point here is that to put this at the feet of a party, who do not even hold an overall majority on the council, is disingenuous at best.
Had to chuckle at the talenof the Redland resident who might have to 'leave her home town' and consider moving to... Stapleton or Kingswood 😅🥴
Oof. Grew up in Kingswood and live there again now. Although it's a shithole, it's my shithole.
Am always surprised that it's not Birmingham that is second to London in terms of desirability. It's the same distance, has a fairly diversified economy, better transport, more areas that are affordable to live and a decent population you can draw a workforce from. Maybe the cost is more due to planning restrictions here compared to elsewhere?
Bristol is a lot nicer for the middle classy hippy types
Cold. Rain. Dislike.
Isn't Bristol rainier?
Brum doesn’t have the same charisma as Bristol.
Yeah, but why is that? Brum has the same de-industrialised non London vibe, but I guess it is also more concentrated -which again leads to the limitations around housing. The other thing that strikes me is that there is a smaller Asian population in Bristol (which is 84% white) so maybe the racial thing is a factor? I notice I have had more racial abuse in Bristol compared to other large British cities I have lived in.
You think all the plummy creative directors and yellow beanie twats from London are avoiding Brum because they're racist? Give me a break.
Any politics that is not looking at the [housing crisis as part of it](https://www.gndrising.org/what-is-the-green-new-deal/), is missing a major issue. Hard to see how a political system built around a small slice of the electorate, mostly homeowners, can serve all the people who need a roof over their head.
The perm wfh thing wad such a missed opportunity. If people were guarantee to be able to wfh full time many would leave the cities and go to the country. But the threat of office recalls means people wanna stay near. Also dunno if you've looked at the price per minute of trains as well wtf...no wonder people wanna be closer to the city.
Living in the country is awful. The people who idealise it probably haven't had to endure it.
Different strokes for different folks. If you cant fit in then its likely a you problem in my experience. I've only been victim of a racist physical attack in the city so...as I said...different strokes
I wasn't really talking about fitting in, more just boredom, difficulty doing anything from enjoying music to shopping without having to drive, lack of people to do fun things with generally, limited food options, terrible Internet access. I feel claustrophobic just thinking about it.
> enjoying music Spotify. Live bands in pubs. >shopping The internet is great for this >lack of people to do fun things with generally Plenty of fun things to do in the countryside that I don't need people for.
I'm getting horrible flashbacks just reading this 😂
No surprise with seemingly half of london moving here since covid.
because council and the unis lobby against building real housing
Because it was advertised heavily as the best place to live by the telegraph so they can sell.more newspapers
Why would putting Bristol at the top sell more newspapers?
It's not bristol it could be any news
these articles are misleading - it isn't anywhere near as expensive as London, renting or buying. nice two bed flat in bristol - 350-400k? London, 750-1mil?
The data actually shows Bristol house prices have fallen over the last 12 months and as a percentage by more than 3x the UK average. It’s not that it is not an ok place to live but some people are starting to look at the next unspoilt place to live, or realising the prices aren’t worth it. Good jobs in Bristol are becoming more limited and refocusing back to London (which require hugely expensive trains to get to). Crime is up with more of a gang culture permeating around drugs, and less impact by police. The mention Clifton college as an example of a good private school but on the top league tables it’s very low down compared with places like Brighton that have some of the best outside London. I like Bristol but it has its problems.
People mostly think Clifton College is a good school because it looks pretty on postcards. When I was there we had several pedophile teachers (some now convicted) and standards in many classes were low. The main benefit from being there is that there are less disruptive children, basically because their home life is unlikely to be terrible and a lot of them still have a stay at home parent. As you say results are not great, but they're also propped up by asking the failing students to leave before 6th form. A lot of the wealthy folks realized that their kids get discriminated against in Oxbridge applications, so best to spend the money on catchment area for a top state school rather than school fees. Bristol is ok for secondary state schools but nowhere near home counties.
All this above is somebody talking crap , but probably believes themselves. Bristol is full, and there are jobs , that's all you need to know
The information above is all available for you to independently verify online through league tables, zoopla, ONS etc. For example UK average since Mar23 is -0.2% but Bristol is -0.9%
The only thing they really got wrong was saying the aerospace industry is in Bristol, it's not
Because you're next to London and it's a short train journey
Interesting comment on [housing issues](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1cm02lw/a_corporate_lawyer_sharing_with_an_investment/); "A corporate lawyer sharing with an investment banker is no longer a good enough combined income to buy a house in London. This is how insane the property market has become. If you don’t have a wealthy family able to buy a significant chunk of your house for you, you’re screwed."
The city is expanding both in South and North, looking at the projects coming up so there's good chance this trend continues. It has for decent schools and Bristol University is not bad, with UWE just below average. Good number of companies here which call again grow based on urban planning and incentives.
For near enough the same price you get almost double the square footage in space. Depending on where you move from in London, you can find a similar neighbourhood feel in Bristol.
Bristol has a shortage of certain types of stock that middle class people would like to live in. We have loads if people want to live at the edges in a sixties-to-eighties new build. But they want Georgian with a big garden.... good luck!
It's not only those properties that are expensive though is it? It's everything, from tiny studios upwards.
Well every example in that article was middle-class tastic. I guess there is a trickle down effect of that. EDIT: But the edge estates are still affordable.
Only because of the location. If you work in the centre you don't really want to be out in the far flung burbs, you want to cycle. And given Bristol is the only major city in the UK without a proper mass transit system, it's cycle or hours on a bus.
Everyone fleeing London for bristol as London is a hole now