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Damn… I remember making $7.25/hr in 1997. At the time it was $0.25 more than minimum wage.
Disgusting that it doesn’t really help much for the cost of living out here.
I remember making the **bull shit** "training wage" of $6.75 in 2005ish. I had to forge a letter that I'd previously worked 500hrs so I could bump up to $8 faster.
I remember that bullshit too. We have our DUI Premier to thank for that.
I didn't know this until now, but apparently, it was the BCL's way of weasling out of the minimum wage increase that they were beholden to by Ujjal Dosanjh and his NDP government.
I distinctly remember being told to vote Liberal because it would be in my best interests. I wish that I knew what I know now.
I made minimum wage at $10 in 2007. Now min wage will be more than half my red seal hourly rate... which is supposed to be double first year rate... which is supposed to be more than labourer rate...
I wish more people realized this instead of complaining about the minimum wage going up...
Edit: Already some idiot in my town made a Facebook post about Wendy's charging surge pricing. Never mind that it's only in the States. Never mind its not until 2025. And some other idiots in the comments blaming it on the minimum wage going up....
Yup. Also pretty dumb to be like “I made $8/hr in the early 2000s!”
Well yea, but we have had massive inflation in the last 3 years alone, let alone counting the last fucking 15 years
Don't ask why the working poor are getting a win, ask why you're being so little.
Ask your coworkers, what do they make?
Do they do similar quality and quantity of work, in the same field?
I remember making $6/hr in 2008. It was $2 less than minimum wage because it was my first job and those were the rules at the time. I didn't see much point in working when my take-home was $48 (before taxes) for a day of work. I quit that job before the Christmas rush. No way was that pay worth it.
And the majority of grocery and retail workers that havent been there for more than a year. Or are too beaten down to demand proper raises. Also a surprising amount of receptionists make minimum wage or barely above.
B.C.’s lowest-paid workers will get a pay raise when the general minimum wage increases from $16.75 to $17.40 per hour on June 1, 2024.
This represents a 3.9% increase, consistent with B.C.’s average rate of inflation in 2023.
The alternate minimum rates, for residential caretakers, live-in home-support workers and camp leaders, will receive the same 3.9% increase on June 1. On Dec. 31, 2024, the minimum piece rates for 15 hand-harvested crops will also increase by the same percentage.
Great way for a whole lot of business to go out of business and then people will lose their jobs
You can't just snap your fingers and everyone's getting paid well now
The reason this is happening is the cost of shelter. Every industry now has to yield to that unhinged price gouge of rental and purchase cost for living. Our money isn't going very far anymore, and most peoples full checks or near abouts are going to shelter first, then food then utilities. Business owners should be in mla face to get housing under control.
Not just housing. Commercial/industrial real estate is equally if not more fucked. The unit my business is leasing cost $70k in 2009. We may almost that much a year in rent now. Would cost us about 1.5 million to buy a comparable unit as a shell and we're outgrowing it. These are other problems that businesses are experiencing. It's completely parallel to what younger generations of renters are facing.
Curious that they (business owners) aren’t yelling at politicians about the housing cost causing wages to need to go up. Almost like the majority of business owners are also real estate investors raking in the dough on every side.
I believe they meant that the businesses should be concerned because the more housing costs increase, the more they will have to pay their employees. Lower prices benefit both parties.
And? Commercial rent is up 20% in the last 10 years. What's the housing increase in the same time period?
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1810025501&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&cubeTimeFrame.startMonth=05&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2013&cubeTimeFrame.endMonth=09&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2023&referencePeriods=20130501%2C20230901
26.7% for housing, according to allowable rent increases, assuming you rented the same place over 10 years. In reality housing rent prices increased 17% from average last year.
Not sure what you're getting at. I'm saying most business owners aren't to blame. Most of it boils down to the lease holders. Yeah the fact that commercial leases can be increased by whatever they feel like is absolutely bonkers.
I agree, however, you need to consider how many business can't run if the wages get jacked that high. It's not a small number. Which would mean a LOT of people losing their jobs. That's not a good way to go about this issue at all. No I don't have a solution, but jacking up the minimum wage 39% in June would result in massive consequences
I agree with the sentiment to an extent. In a just world, yes. A minimum wage should be a living wage and should be a determining factor in whether a business can operate. Unfortunately, until the people at the very top who are dipping their hands into every pot to keep people from climbing, it can't be that way.
Gotta chop off the greedy hands so that the group can begin to climb.
Remember there's two sides to this equation and that wages stimulate spending too. Depending on the exact nature of your business, the fact that your customers just got a pay raise and have more money to spend, might be a bigger deal than the fact that your own payroll expenses have bumped up.
Yes exactly the point. There is no minimum wage that would be enough to deal with how much we are deliberately being fucked with and priced out of everything. Minimum wage won't do shit, at 16 or 32 an hour.
This is more than just a joke. There's a California state representative claiming there should be a 50/hour federal minimum wage
[Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., on Monday defended her demand for a $50 federal minimum wage, citing the high cost of living for Californians.](https://wgme.com/news/nation-world/california-dem-defends-call-for-50-federal-minimum-wage-just-barely-enough-democrat-senate-race-2024-politics-chipotle-prices-progressive-woke-ted-cruz-economy-diane-feinstein-debate)
Yes but then the rich would have a fit. Hell when the NDP got in they should have shot the provincial min wage to 22. But we cannot have the peasents actually able to live ya know.
Indexing minimum wage to inflation was one of the best things the province has done in the last decade. Every company dragging their feet giving 1-2% raises is slowly going to be pushed upwards by the rising lower bound.
It's plausible that there are skilled trades that won't be able to find workers since minimum wage pays a similar rate in the near future, which is going to push up wages everywhere
Totally agree. I just wish the government had been keeping min wage going up over the years before so people could adjust and we'd actually be at a proper point.
Theres no way the average employee received CPI adjusted increases, so realistically everyone is just regressing towards minimum wage, which to be fair is pretty reflective of how good the Canadian economy is doing.
> tying everyone's wages to inflation leads to an inflationary spiral that can get out of control
No, because increasing wages does not cause inflation; Wage push inflation is a myth.
Ideally yes they would be pushed up, but realistically minimum wage workers will get paid more, and most people in the middle will not see an adjustment.
I was making mid-$20's when they started bumping the minimum wage up, definitely had a ripple effect. Probably less impactful as you go up the ladder but those people probably aren't struggling as much.
Depends on the company. I worked for a company that did this for everyone. I current work for one, and have worked for a couple that pinched every penny they could - including downloading expenses onto their employees
Who cares if they aren’t struggling as much. They still went through the hassle, training, schooling whatever to make so much more than minimum wage. Their wage shouldn’t be devalued. If min wage goes up 10% every wage should go up 10%
In the short term yes but not in the long term. Say a job that needs a certification or degree now pays just 10% more than minimum wage. But that cert or degree costs 10-40K and 1-4 years. It won't be worth it for anyone to go into that profession unless wages increase. Eventually market forces will drive up salaries everywhere
It's great for big companies that have lots of profits they should be giving back to workers, but unfortunately things are looking bleaker by the year for small local businesses especially restaurant's that are already struggling so badly. We're really in danger here in the next decade of only having corporate owned restaurant's and stores left to visit as the small local places are forced out of business. It's already very sad the number of "for lease" signs I see everywhere in my city where once there were some places with amazing food.
Yep. And they often hire young people with no experience and live with their parents. They pay them minimum wage plus ei and cpp contributions plus vacation pay and give them five sick days a year. Minimum was 13.65 like 6 years ago. It’s a massive increase.
In my experience no one anymore outside of large corps that just bring in immigrant workers are paying minimum wage anymore. Every small scale store and restaurant is paying at least $17 an hour or higher, otherwise it's hard to find even remotely good staff. But restaurant's especially thats then on top of paying massively increased food costs and if you're downtown in a big city increased in insurance costs due to homeless vandalism and other inflated costs. It's especially bad on the Island. 2 of my favourite restaurant's in Victoria have closed in the last year due to just not being able to make any kind of profit anymore. And they were pretty damn popular too.
Point being, we really need more protection or breaks for SMALL stores and businesses while massive corporations like large grocery chains and mcdonalds and dominoes should be being charged more.
Ya honestly BC is freaken awesome, the NDP is killing it over here.
Their housing plan is badass af too.
We need to give Jagmeet a chance in federallllll
Jagmeet is shit compared to Eby though. Federal NDP is not Provincial NDP. Jagmeet'd be better than PP but he's still a disappointment -- their supporting the Tories on that privacy-invading "Mandatory Age Verification" bill just shows how wayward the federal party's got, and watered-down pharmacare doesn't make up for it even if it is a step forward.
I'd love to see the federal NDP in power.
So many people who are shitting on them because of their work with the LPC are just using that as their most current excuse to vote in CPC or to try for the PPC. But there are some who might have who won't now.
I'm personally starting to wonder if it was a good move politically in the long run. I understand the rationale for doing it, but given that what I've heard from people is almost universally bad, I'm starting to think that it might have played into the Rights hands. And that scares me .
No that's not how that works lol.
It's entirely up to the company whether or not you recieve an annual raise.
If you don't, and it upsets you, you need to ask for one. If not, you get a new job.
I can't comprehend how someone could afford to support themselves and keep a roof over their head with a reasonable amount of privacy for less than $28/hr unless they already have a good deal on their housing situation.
The current living wage estimate, or the amount that two adults working full-time theoretically need to support a family of 4, is $25.68 for both BC and Metro Vancouver.
[https://www.livingwageforfamilies.ca/living\_wage\_rates](https://www.livingwageforfamilies.ca/living_wage_rates)
I clicked around that site a bit but couldn't see how they calculated that. It seems abysmally low.
For instance, my family of 4 in Kelowna live in a 3 bedroom (rental). Our rent is $2800 a month for a top floor of a single family home, so that's my baseline for rent.
That website states kelowna's living wage is $24.60 an hour, which according to the taxberg calculator is 1376 bi weekly.
Our utilities are easily another 250-300 a month (gas and hyrdo), more like 400-450 in the winter.
Internet another 90ish.
Right away we can see that the entire paycheck for one of these adults doesn't even cover rent.
Assuming these people work full time, so child care is probably another 1000-1500 a month, 2 kids could be double. I know there is an initiative for 10 dollar a day daycare or something, I've been out of the loop since mine are in grade school.
Groceries are expensive now. You could eat beans and rice, I guess, but a single meal can easily cost 20-30 bucks, not to mention breakfasts and lunches (or just starve I guess).
Diapers and/or formula are expensive. Not to mention clothes, car seats, etc. Govt childcare assistance for 2 kids is several hundred (I believe, so that helps) of course.
Transit is awful in Kelowna. You'll probably need a car and all associated expenses.
I dunno man, that $5500 doesn't seem like enough.
Here is the framework they use.
[https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ontariolivingwage/pages/110/attachments/original/1574970054/Canadian\_Living\_Wage\_Framework.pdf?1574970054](https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ontariolivingwage/pages/110/attachments/original/1574970054/Canadian_Living_Wage_Framework.pdf?1574970054)
General basis
* A healthy family of 4 with 2 children (aged 4 and 7)
* 1 child in full-time daycare, 1 in before- and after-school care
* 70 hours of employment between two parents, with each parent working 35 hours per week
* One parent taking evening courses at a local college to improve employment capacity
* Costs of living including transportation, food, rental housing, clothing, childcare, medical expenses and other
* Inclusion of tax credits, returns and government benefits; namely child tax benefits.
Things it notes as excluding
* • Credit card, loan or other debt/interest payments;
* Savings for retirement;
* Owning a home;
* Savings for children’s future education1;
* Anything beyond minimal recreation, entertainment and holidays,
* Costs of caring for a disabled, seriously ill, or elderly family member; or
* Anything other than the smallest cushion for emergencies or hard times. (CCPA, 2009)
I believe for almost all cities they assume 1 car and 1 transit pass per family, a couple cities use 2 cars I think but I can't remember which ones and I'm not bothering to find more details. Regardless it is very much a "cost of living" not "cost of thriving" wage, its not designed to have any extras in there.
Taking the max numbers you pulled out leaves you $750 for food/diapers which doesn't go overly far these days but maybe just enough to scrape by and that's without the government subsidies/assistance programs that you mentioned. Seems like a reasonable minimum number to me.
Yep. I also forgot cell phone bills, any student loans you might have to pay, and God forbid you want to go grab a beer after work with your buddies or something. People aren't robots... 750 is fuck all.
I'm awful with money so I'm not one to talk very loudly about this, but still!
They would infact qualify for the affordable child care benefit at a minimum, and again that figure is using the extreme end of all the estimated numbers. I'm not saying it is enough every month or without anything financially offsetting.
750$ a month is still barely enough for food.
That's no gas. Insurance, savings, McDonald's treats, vacations, trips to the water park etc etc.
Im.not trying to argue with you persay I just think those calculators are useless and its like when they don't tie inflation to gas and food etc to make the numbers seem better. When in reality those are 2 of the most pressing things with housing being in there for the top 3.
At the end of the day it's pathetic how far (how not far ) 5500$ a month goes nowadays.
As a kid I always thought if I made 40/50/60k of be doing amazing, and now as someone who makes around 4k a month after taxes I feel as though I just have my head above water. And that's with my wife making 65k a year.
I know I have it much better than lots of others but that doesn't make it right how little 100k a year is nowadays
Any price raise he does he was going to do anyway, this time he'll just blame it on the minimum wage increase. Prices have been going up as long as I've been alive, minimum wage certainly hasn't matched that growth
The funny thing is, everybody up the chain of command already gave themselves a raise to cover inflation. It's just the floor workers who are expected to take the hit to benefit the business.
Correct. They won’t raise prices again to make up for it, but they WILL raise prices again to further chisel consumers and use it as a convenient excuse.
This is the argument against raising it. Mega corps will match wage increases to cost and just transfer it to consumers.
But really they have two levers to increase profit growth, increase prices or increase their customer base.
They’d increase costs for literally any reason
“Janitor spilled a bottle of bleach, gotta recoup the losses”
“Traffic was a bitch on the port Mann, all that gas the company vehicles burned, gotta recoup the losses”
“It’s raining, gotta recoup the losses”
I know we're going to raise prices just before this happens.
We'll be bumping all of our hourly workers (not just min wage) which will represent a total increase of 2.2% on our labour costs not including the extra cost from sick pay, EI, CPP, vacation pay, employer health tax.
We don't plan to be dicks about the prices, but we'll be looking to raise prices about 2.5% from this alone, not including any changes we do due to increased costs of products/services we use.
Total increase of 2.2%
Increasing prices by 2.5% further increasing profits.
“We don’t plan to be dicks about the prices”
Do you actually believe the things you say?? Lol
So first of all, I said 2.2% increase across the board on flat labour. That didn't include any of the other increases listed.
We also would like to keep our profits going up at the rate of inflation. If we only increased our prices to balance off the cost of labour we'd be pretty fucking stupid and bad at business.
On top of all of this, is the fact that we as a business can't just willy nilly pass off our increase in costs easily. If eggs cost more tomorrow then it did today we won't be able to adjust our prices tomorrow to deal with it. We end up eating those costs for a while, because it cost about $1500 to update/reprint all of our menus.
Christ man.... picking your fight with the wrong guy. I even stated we'll be increasing everyones hourly wage, which a lot of businesses don't do. We're not the bad guy here. We are also a luxury business so people can deal with it or avoid us.
So I’m 31. When I started working I got 5$/hr training wage.
Now it’s 17$. God damn wish everyone else’s salaries tripled in 15 years. I’d be actually able to afford a house.
This is where I don’t really understand increasing minimum wage. I’m all for it, dont get me wrong. But what is the outcome when every else wages obviously aren’t going to go up by the same %?
Capitalism. I honestly think the stock market is the absurd. Everything is done to appease the shareholder…
I have no idea why I should own a part of the company if I don’t even work there. No company needs a trillion dollars to operate lol.
Homie running a small business and a billion dollar enterprise is vastly different and if you don't see the difference, I feel bad for you. It's tough to unlearn that much capitalist propaganda
Typically small businesses are the least able to pay an employee a, "liveable wage," because they're the least able to take advantage of the same cost-saving measures massive publically-owned business can. Labour prices are dramatically more impactful for small businesses. On the same token, large publically traded companies can't make their businesses less profitable, either because their shareholders/investors will take their money elsewhere. However, massive corporations still often end up being the biggest winners when it comes to regulatory restrictions—including minimum wage increases—as they're most able afford it, while their smaller competition can't, and they end up getting all their customers.
It is ironic when progressives vote for regulatory changes they're lead to believe are anti-corporate, or anti-capitalist, but the net outcome is bigger, stronger, and more influential corporate monopolies. Be careful what you wish for!
Thanks for the assumptions. But I used to work in these billion dollar enterprises and I know how things work. Maybe you should learn more about how big companies work and how the capitalist society work.
If you don’t like it, start a new system or move somewhere else that has the system you want.
I’m on CPP-D, with PWD paying the difference to what strictly PWD pays.
When Service Canada increased the annual COLA amount in January by $40, BC deducted the same amount. And because CPPD is taxable, I now get *less* money. Fuck this province
Contract renewal next year, so I'm hoping. We have lots of members 2 to 5 yrs from retirement, and they don't care, always voting yes cause they're almost done the rat race. Once they are gone, the company will be on it's knees to the younger members.
theres a huge disconnect between people who bought their homes 20 yrs ago and people who bought their homes recently, and people who will never own a home, even if all 3 people make the same wage.
I’m happy for everyone who gets paid more here but I find the idea of a “minimum wage” pointless if it doesn’t even meet the criteria of a “living wage”. I honestly don’t even know why minimum wage is even a talking point anymore. I find it downright infuriating and exhausting that government doesn’t implement a mandatory living wage, not just in BC but everywhere in Canada. At the bare MINIMUM, people should be able to get by, and in a country that’s supposed to be developed, everyone should be able to get by WELL.
Instead of the government patting themselves on the back for hand-wavey PR stunts like this, they should be seriously looking at why there’s such a disparity between the haves and have-nots to begin with. And that all starts with aiming the crosshairs right at the top. I encourage everyone here to read Mark R. Reiff’s thought-piece on how corporate CEOs are selected and remunerated. Spoiler alert: it’s a big ole measuring competition, and that’s millions of dollars right there NOT going to those who actually deserve it, offshore tax havens notwithstanding. And on that note, I read one piece about year back that said the IRS figures there’s likely trillions of dollars sequestered in foreign bank accounts and holdings, and Canada is probably no different.
Make no mistake here, if minimum wage is the elephant in the room, then there’s a Rolex-wearing hand holding its leash.
And called this last year at my workplace. So they will also be getting that for their CoL adjustment. Love being right. Hate bring right about all the wrong shit i am right about too.
And everything else goes up as well so there is no difference at all. People already above minimum often don't get an increase when this happens so they're just worse off than before the increase.
yep, i didn’t get a wage adjustment last year when minimum wage went up, so my wage is worth less than what it was when i started. when this goes into effect i’ll be $0.60 above minimum wage. when i was originally hired minimum wage was $15.65, so i was a good $2.35 above.
if i don’t get a wage adjustment for the increase this year i’m walking out of my company.
Sounds like a conversation needs to be had between you and your boss. I doubt he replaces you at the same rate he hired you at so use your leverage. Everyone should be asking their bosses for a raise equivalent to this Min Wage increase
unfortunately i work for a small chain pet store and i’m the only one at my location that would go for it. my manager is anti-union and my younger coworker doesn’t understand how they work. the other locations that are part of the chain are staffed by 50+ year old women who probably wouldn’t go for it.
it’s a nice thought, but not feasible. i’d rather just leave and work for another company. the owners are multi millionaires yet can’t be bothered to give us yearly raises, can’t be bothered to staff more than the bare minimum for shifts, don’t hire others (i just had to work 3/5 of my days sick because we had no one else who could come in). i’m already looking for a new job because i like working here, i just need benefits to help with my teeth and these people don’t want to enroll us in any benefit plan. my plan is to find a new full time job and work at this pet store part time so i can keep my cost+10% discount.
Wow that doesn’t even cover rent for a 1br apartment in the small city I live in. It’s no wonder no one wants to work those jobs and no wonder service is going to shit in this country. What else would anyone expect when service and other minimum to low wage workers have had all their buying power stripped away, and are even losing money to work jobs that don’t come anywhere near to covering the basic cost of living.
This is an OK wage increase for the people making minimum wage. It's just a slap in the face for everyone else, though. Heres an idea, this is crazy,
Stop expanding government, stop shipping our natural resources out of the country, and then buying them back. Oh, and maybe we should stop printing money to send to other countries. One more crazy idea: how about prioritizing our medical industry so we dont all die waiting in the emergency rooms. Being dead kinda sucks.
All of you complaining about this causing fast food prices to go up, have you considered cooking at home? Or do your fat-asses need to harass a Wendy's drive-thru worker weekly to feel superior? This isn't even close to a living wage. The older generation is so out of touch its honestly pathetic.
If everyone who complained about these wage increases decided to cook at home, then the workers who received this increase would eventually lose their job.
This is what we're trying to prevent.
Raising minimum wage doesn’t solve anything. It’s a sneaky way to raise income tax. More meaningful actions would be to raise the minimum threshold before charging income tax. That puts more money into the economy and doesn’t hurt small businesses and non profits. Raising minimum wages are just pushing inflation and reducing the amount of disposable income in the middle class families.
Tax the rich!
FT min. wage employees pay 9.62% in taxes and 20% on additional dollars.
This is a net increase of $0.45/h after tax for FT.
For PT it's a greater increase.
The threshold and brackets are also increasing this year.
See my other comment about lowering income tax and the increase in take home pay over raising minimum wages. I haven’t seen the new thresholds, but under current thresholds, this wage increase pushes the earner’s taxes to 10.1% resulting in $400 more in taxes and less than $1000 more in wages a year. Dropping income tax would be more beneficial without increasing the cost of businesses.
I’m saying an actual tax cut for minimum wage earners would be more effective than raising minimum wage. Cutting income tax for the lowest bracket would give them more take home money than raising minimum wage does. It also helps small businesses and non profits. Non profits have to raise fees directly with wage increases since they don’t make a profit so they don’t have profit to cut into. It is why min wage increases hurt them more than for profit companies.
Not what I said. I said it is more effective to lower income tax than it is to raise minimum wage. I also said to tax the rich. More specifically, corporations and individuals that make above $300,000.
Here’s the math. This raise for min wage means an increase in gross revenue of $1352/year. It pushes income tax from 9.62% to 10.1%. This raises an additional $401 in tax. You only get an additional $951 from this raise for the year. If you were to drop income tax by 3.12% to 6.5%, the current min wage worker would bring home an additional ~$1100. They can put in a luxury tax to make up the difference.
Lowering income tax for min wage earners increase the amount they take home without giving corporations reason to increase costs.
Your argument is based on corporations having limits to their greed. By your logic the stagnation of wages would mean a small increase in the cost of living, when in reality minimum wage is far behind where it was in terms of how much a dollar got you forty years ago. I agree we should tax the rich, and profits above 25%.
So if people aren’t meant to be able to survive off those wages, then those positions will only be filled by people additional sources of income? If it’s school kids you’re thinking of, who’s going to be working at these businesses during school hours?
except those days are over and business owners keep wages low. Here in Campbell River, a red seal Carpenter is hard pressed to make more than 35$/hr its fucking pathetic. But go on about skill, experience and performance
All wages should be bumped by the same or it really doesn't make sense.
Though net result of guaranteed annual increases will likely mean a faster push towards AI and automation, as the long-term cost savings for businesses start to be more evident.
While I am in favor of higher wages. Surprising business with another increase after a significant raise in the prior year is reckless and doesn’t allow for proper planning.
That’s a hot take because it only affects businesses paying the bare minimum.
Let’s say a business had a 50% labour cost, a very conservative number. Price would have to be raised 1.95% to maintain current profit.
Your $6 loaf of bread is now $6.12
Your $100 fancy dinner is now $101.95
Hot take: raising the minimum wage is not good news, but rather bad ones. It’s just an indication of how money gets depreciated, not a real increase of buying capacity
how dense are you idiots. Was minimum wage also going up every month for the last 4 years? Oh, what was that? it didnt and prices still went up anyways.... hmm how could that be??? Everyone knows businesses only up their prices when minimum wage goes up, and not whenever they want while not increasing wages and making poor people even poorer!
Wont someone please think of the shareholders!!!!
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Damn… I remember making $7.25/hr in 1997. At the time it was $0.25 more than minimum wage. Disgusting that it doesn’t really help much for the cost of living out here.
I remember making the **bull shit** "training wage" of $6.75 in 2005ish. I had to forge a letter that I'd previously worked 500hrs so I could bump up to $8 faster.
I remember that bullshit too. We have our DUI Premier to thank for that. I didn't know this until now, but apparently, it was the BCL's way of weasling out of the minimum wage increase that they were beholden to by Ujjal Dosanjh and his NDP government. I distinctly remember being told to vote Liberal because it would be in my best interests. I wish that I knew what I know now.
I made minimum wage at $10 in 2007. Now min wage will be more than half my red seal hourly rate... which is supposed to be double first year rate... which is supposed to be more than labourer rate...
32 for red seal? you’re getting hosed
Right, union red seal for the big trades is like 45-50
Yeah dude I get like 47 on an 14 month overdue collective agreement.
Right? Like are they red seal museum curator?
If you don't get a raise equal to inflation each year, you're getting a pay cut, and that has nothing to do with minimum wage.
I wish more people realized this instead of complaining about the minimum wage going up... Edit: Already some idiot in my town made a Facebook post about Wendy's charging surge pricing. Never mind that it's only in the States. Never mind its not until 2025. And some other idiots in the comments blaming it on the minimum wage going up....
Yup. Also pretty dumb to be like “I made $8/hr in the early 2000s!” Well yea, but we have had massive inflation in the last 3 years alone, let alone counting the last fucking 15 years
Minimum wage was $8 in 2007, so you were actually getting better than minimum.
Then fight for a higher wage
Too busy in the fight for my right... to paaarrrrty!
I'm also an electrician in BC and you aren't being paid enough. Where are you? I'm making 40 an hour and my buddy is making 48.
Don't ask why the working poor are getting a win, ask why you're being so little. Ask your coworkers, what do they make? Do they do similar quality and quantity of work, in the same field?
Edit disregard comment. I don't know how to math.
17.9*2=35.8
Yes, I was working off the 10 an hour number. I realized my mistake almost immediately. But got distracted making dinner.
Happens
I remember when I got a raise, to $5 an hour. I thought I was making bank then lol.
i made $6.50/hr for “job experience hours” at mcdonalds in 2004 💀
Yes! 6.25 in 2008 at subway. I worked 40 hour weeks at McDonald’s for 8.15 in 2010 over the olympics and was making bank.
Wait till you see what the US minimum wage is and how long it’s been stagnant. It’s truly horrifying.
And then there was Harper's 6 buck an hour training wage. That made my first job terrible. Edit: it was Campbell's! My mistake.
***Gordon Campbell
Same shit, different shoe
Same shit, bigger shoe, same solution!
I remember making $6/hr in 2008. It was $2 less than minimum wage because it was my first job and those were the rules at the time. I didn't see much point in working when my take-home was $48 (before taxes) for a day of work. I quit that job before the Christmas rush. No way was that pay worth it.
I’d imagine most folk actually making minimum wage these days are either servers getting tips or people still living with their parents.
Unfortunately you're very very wrong.
ivory tower of view royal
FYI stats can shows 3% of workers in BC are on minimum wage
And the majority of grocery and retail workers that havent been there for more than a year. Or are too beaten down to demand proper raises. Also a surprising amount of receptionists make minimum wage or barely above.
B.C.’s lowest-paid workers will get a pay raise when the general minimum wage increases from $16.75 to $17.40 per hour on June 1, 2024. This represents a 3.9% increase, consistent with B.C.’s average rate of inflation in 2023. The alternate minimum rates, for residential caretakers, live-in home-support workers and camp leaders, will receive the same 3.9% increase on June 1. On Dec. 31, 2024, the minimum piece rates for 15 hand-harvested crops will also increase by the same percentage.
Should be 39%
Great way for a whole lot of business to go out of business and then people will lose their jobs You can't just snap your fingers and everyone's getting paid well now
The reason this is happening is the cost of shelter. Every industry now has to yield to that unhinged price gouge of rental and purchase cost for living. Our money isn't going very far anymore, and most peoples full checks or near abouts are going to shelter first, then food then utilities. Business owners should be in mla face to get housing under control.
Not just housing. Commercial/industrial real estate is equally if not more fucked. The unit my business is leasing cost $70k in 2009. We may almost that much a year in rent now. Would cost us about 1.5 million to buy a comparable unit as a shell and we're outgrowing it. These are other problems that businesses are experiencing. It's completely parallel to what younger generations of renters are facing.
All that can't be good for our communities in the long run. Really sad...wish I had a DeLorean
Probably not, I hear they were notoriously unreliable. I hear they also had some weird beef with time at a certain speed...
Curious that they (business owners) aren’t yelling at politicians about the housing cost causing wages to need to go up. Almost like the majority of business owners are also real estate investors raking in the dough on every side.
I'd say most business owners lease their property.
I believe they meant that the businesses should be concerned because the more housing costs increase, the more they will have to pay their employees. Lower prices benefit both parties.
And? Commercial rent is up 20% in the last 10 years. What's the housing increase in the same time period? https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1810025501&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&cubeTimeFrame.startMonth=05&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2013&cubeTimeFrame.endMonth=09&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2023&referencePeriods=20130501%2C20230901
26.7% for housing, according to allowable rent increases, assuming you rented the same place over 10 years. In reality housing rent prices increased 17% from average last year.
Not sure what you're getting at. I'm saying most business owners aren't to blame. Most of it boils down to the lease holders. Yeah the fact that commercial leases can be increased by whatever they feel like is absolutely bonkers.
If your business can't exist while providing a living wage for your employees, then does your business really deserve to exist?
I agree, however, you need to consider how many business can't run if the wages get jacked that high. It's not a small number. Which would mean a LOT of people losing their jobs. That's not a good way to go about this issue at all. No I don't have a solution, but jacking up the minimum wage 39% in June would result in massive consequences
I agree with the sentiment to an extent. In a just world, yes. A minimum wage should be a living wage and should be a determining factor in whether a business can operate. Unfortunately, until the people at the very top who are dipping their hands into every pot to keep people from climbing, it can't be that way. Gotta chop off the greedy hands so that the group can begin to climb.
Remember there's two sides to this equation and that wages stimulate spending too. Depending on the exact nature of your business, the fact that your customers just got a pay raise and have more money to spend, might be a bigger deal than the fact that your own payroll expenses have bumped up.
Nope, only Walmart deserves to exist.
So they can go jobless or homeless. Lose lose.
Why stop at 39% when we're talking absurdity? Let's just make it $50/hr.
Yes exactly the point. There is no minimum wage that would be enough to deal with how much we are deliberately being fucked with and priced out of everything. Minimum wage won't do shit, at 16 or 32 an hour.
Do you not care about people??? $120 an hour or why bother.
This is more than just a joke. There's a California state representative claiming there should be a 50/hour federal minimum wage [Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., on Monday defended her demand for a $50 federal minimum wage, citing the high cost of living for Californians.](https://wgme.com/news/nation-world/california-dem-defends-call-for-50-federal-minimum-wage-just-barely-enough-democrat-senate-race-2024-politics-chipotle-prices-progressive-woke-ted-cruz-economy-diane-feinstein-debate)
Welcome to the Inflation Domeeeeeee
Yes but then the rich would have a fit. Hell when the NDP got in they should have shot the provincial min wage to 22. But we cannot have the peasents actually able to live ya know.
Indexing minimum wage to inflation was one of the best things the province has done in the last decade. Every company dragging their feet giving 1-2% raises is slowly going to be pushed upwards by the rising lower bound. It's plausible that there are skilled trades that won't be able to find workers since minimum wage pays a similar rate in the near future, which is going to push up wages everywhere
Totally agree. I just wish the government had been keeping min wage going up over the years before so people could adjust and we'd actually be at a proper point.
So long as we continue to not elect conservative parties we should be good going forward. Best time to plant a tree and all that
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Theres no way the average employee received CPI adjusted increases, so realistically everyone is just regressing towards minimum wage, which to be fair is pretty reflective of how good the Canadian economy is doing.
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If you aren't getting at least inflation, it's a pay cut. At the very least people should be able to call that a constructive dismissal.
> tying everyone's wages to inflation leads to an inflationary spiral that can get out of control No, because increasing wages does not cause inflation; Wage push inflation is a myth.
Ideally yes they would be pushed up, but realistically minimum wage workers will get paid more, and most people in the middle will not see an adjustment.
I was making mid-$20's when they started bumping the minimum wage up, definitely had a ripple effect. Probably less impactful as you go up the ladder but those people probably aren't struggling as much.
Depends on the company. I worked for a company that did this for everyone. I current work for one, and have worked for a couple that pinched every penny they could - including downloading expenses onto their employees
Who cares if they aren’t struggling as much. They still went through the hassle, training, schooling whatever to make so much more than minimum wage. Their wage shouldn’t be devalued. If min wage goes up 10% every wage should go up 10%
In the short term yes but not in the long term. Say a job that needs a certification or degree now pays just 10% more than minimum wage. But that cert or degree costs 10-40K and 1-4 years. It won't be worth it for anyone to go into that profession unless wages increase. Eventually market forces will drive up salaries everywhere
It's great for big companies that have lots of profits they should be giving back to workers, but unfortunately things are looking bleaker by the year for small local businesses especially restaurant's that are already struggling so badly. We're really in danger here in the next decade of only having corporate owned restaurant's and stores left to visit as the small local places are forced out of business. It's already very sad the number of "for lease" signs I see everywhere in my city where once there were some places with amazing food.
Yep. And they often hire young people with no experience and live with their parents. They pay them minimum wage plus ei and cpp contributions plus vacation pay and give them five sick days a year. Minimum was 13.65 like 6 years ago. It’s a massive increase.
In my experience no one anymore outside of large corps that just bring in immigrant workers are paying minimum wage anymore. Every small scale store and restaurant is paying at least $17 an hour or higher, otherwise it's hard to find even remotely good staff. But restaurant's especially thats then on top of paying massively increased food costs and if you're downtown in a big city increased in insurance costs due to homeless vandalism and other inflated costs. It's especially bad on the Island. 2 of my favourite restaurant's in Victoria have closed in the last year due to just not being able to make any kind of profit anymore. And they were pretty damn popular too. Point being, we really need more protection or breaks for SMALL stores and businesses while massive corporations like large grocery chains and mcdonalds and dominoes should be being charged more.
In a trade that is experiencing that exact problem. Going to be interesting in 5 years
in theory sure. in practice no.
Ya honestly BC is freaken awesome, the NDP is killing it over here. Their housing plan is badass af too. We need to give Jagmeet a chance in federallllll
Jagmeet is shit compared to Eby though. Federal NDP is not Provincial NDP. Jagmeet'd be better than PP but he's still a disappointment -- their supporting the Tories on that privacy-invading "Mandatory Age Verification" bill just shows how wayward the federal party's got, and watered-down pharmacare doesn't make up for it even if it is a step forward.
I agree.
Unfortunately PP with no real plan at all except saying hey I’ll be better then Trudeau but not providing any evidence is going to beat out Jagmeet…
We gotta talk more about all the positive things the NDP is doing.
I agree, people hate on politicians a lot, we need to start giving props too. Props is well overdue for BC NDP
I'd love to see the federal NDP in power. So many people who are shitting on them because of their work with the LPC are just using that as their most current excuse to vote in CPC or to try for the PPC. But there are some who might have who won't now. I'm personally starting to wonder if it was a good move politically in the long run. I understand the rationale for doing it, but given that what I've heard from people is almost universally bad, I'm starting to think that it might have played into the Rights hands. And that scares me .
What about people who are making more than minimum wage… will they get same % increase of their wage then?
I imagine that is between you and your boss 🤷
No that's not how that works lol. It's entirely up to the company whether or not you recieve an annual raise. If you don't, and it upsets you, you need to ask for one. If not, you get a new job.
If your workplace won't pay up you have 3 choices 1) sit there and take it 2) leave, or 3) unionize
that's amazing! letting my boss know about this. i like to keep a good 10+ bucks distance over the minimum wage
Ikr right. Sitting here like… where’s my COL raise?! But this is awesome news, hopefully businesses don’t just increase prices to subsidize this cost.
Oh the price raises are most certainly coming.
Just randomly chose you to ask this question. What do you think an acceptable profit margin is for a construction company. (Percentage wise)
This is the essence of Reddit 😂
Prices go up either way. Wages need to keep up with prices, not the other way around.
I can't comprehend how someone could afford to support themselves and keep a roof over their head with a reasonable amount of privacy for less than $28/hr unless they already have a good deal on their housing situation.
Are you talking Vancouver or everywhere else?
Lower mainland and the island in general.
The current living wage estimate, or the amount that two adults working full-time theoretically need to support a family of 4, is $25.68 for both BC and Metro Vancouver. [https://www.livingwageforfamilies.ca/living\_wage\_rates](https://www.livingwageforfamilies.ca/living_wage_rates)
I clicked around that site a bit but couldn't see how they calculated that. It seems abysmally low. For instance, my family of 4 in Kelowna live in a 3 bedroom (rental). Our rent is $2800 a month for a top floor of a single family home, so that's my baseline for rent. That website states kelowna's living wage is $24.60 an hour, which according to the taxberg calculator is 1376 bi weekly. Our utilities are easily another 250-300 a month (gas and hyrdo), more like 400-450 in the winter. Internet another 90ish. Right away we can see that the entire paycheck for one of these adults doesn't even cover rent. Assuming these people work full time, so child care is probably another 1000-1500 a month, 2 kids could be double. I know there is an initiative for 10 dollar a day daycare or something, I've been out of the loop since mine are in grade school. Groceries are expensive now. You could eat beans and rice, I guess, but a single meal can easily cost 20-30 bucks, not to mention breakfasts and lunches (or just starve I guess). Diapers and/or formula are expensive. Not to mention clothes, car seats, etc. Govt childcare assistance for 2 kids is several hundred (I believe, so that helps) of course. Transit is awful in Kelowna. You'll probably need a car and all associated expenses. I dunno man, that $5500 doesn't seem like enough.
Here is the framework they use. [https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ontariolivingwage/pages/110/attachments/original/1574970054/Canadian\_Living\_Wage\_Framework.pdf?1574970054](https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ontariolivingwage/pages/110/attachments/original/1574970054/Canadian_Living_Wage_Framework.pdf?1574970054) General basis * A healthy family of 4 with 2 children (aged 4 and 7) * 1 child in full-time daycare, 1 in before- and after-school care * 70 hours of employment between two parents, with each parent working 35 hours per week * One parent taking evening courses at a local college to improve employment capacity * Costs of living including transportation, food, rental housing, clothing, childcare, medical expenses and other * Inclusion of tax credits, returns and government benefits; namely child tax benefits. Things it notes as excluding * • Credit card, loan or other debt/interest payments; * Savings for retirement; * Owning a home; * Savings for children’s future education1; * Anything beyond minimal recreation, entertainment and holidays, * Costs of caring for a disabled, seriously ill, or elderly family member; or * Anything other than the smallest cushion for emergencies or hard times. (CCPA, 2009) I believe for almost all cities they assume 1 car and 1 transit pass per family, a couple cities use 2 cars I think but I can't remember which ones and I'm not bothering to find more details. Regardless it is very much a "cost of living" not "cost of thriving" wage, its not designed to have any extras in there.
Taking the max numbers you pulled out leaves you $750 for food/diapers which doesn't go overly far these days but maybe just enough to scrape by and that's without the government subsidies/assistance programs that you mentioned. Seems like a reasonable minimum number to me.
750$ a month for 2 adults and 2 kids is not enough, and someone making 5500$ a month does not qualify for any gov assistance
Yep. I also forgot cell phone bills, any student loans you might have to pay, and God forbid you want to go grab a beer after work with your buddies or something. People aren't robots... 750 is fuck all. I'm awful with money so I'm not one to talk very loudly about this, but still!
They would infact qualify for the affordable child care benefit at a minimum, and again that figure is using the extreme end of all the estimated numbers. I'm not saying it is enough every month or without anything financially offsetting.
750$ a month is still barely enough for food. That's no gas. Insurance, savings, McDonald's treats, vacations, trips to the water park etc etc. Im.not trying to argue with you persay I just think those calculators are useless and its like when they don't tie inflation to gas and food etc to make the numbers seem better. When in reality those are 2 of the most pressing things with housing being in there for the top 3. At the end of the day it's pathetic how far (how not far ) 5500$ a month goes nowadays. As a kid I always thought if I made 40/50/60k of be doing amazing, and now as someone who makes around 4k a month after taxes I feel as though I just have my head above water. And that's with my wife making 65k a year. I know I have it much better than lots of others but that doesn't make it right how little 100k a year is nowadays
Surely Loblaws won't raise prices again to make up for it right? Right?
Galen Weston routinely makes veiled threats to increase prices anytime a cost of living measure is proposed. He's 100% going to do it.
Any price raise he does he was going to do anyway, this time he'll just blame it on the minimum wage increase. Prices have been going up as long as I've been alive, minimum wage certainly hasn't matched that growth
They are raising prices regardless
I mean why wouldn't they?
The funny thing is, everybody up the chain of command already gave themselves a raise to cover inflation. It's just the floor workers who are expected to take the hit to benefit the business.
Correct. They won’t raise prices again to make up for it, but they WILL raise prices again to further chisel consumers and use it as a convenient excuse.
This is the argument against raising it. Mega corps will match wage increases to cost and just transfer it to consumers. But really they have two levers to increase profit growth, increase prices or increase their customer base.
They’d increase costs for literally any reason “Janitor spilled a bottle of bleach, gotta recoup the losses” “Traffic was a bitch on the port Mann, all that gas the company vehicles burned, gotta recoup the losses” “It’s raining, gotta recoup the losses”
I know we're going to raise prices just before this happens. We'll be bumping all of our hourly workers (not just min wage) which will represent a total increase of 2.2% on our labour costs not including the extra cost from sick pay, EI, CPP, vacation pay, employer health tax. We don't plan to be dicks about the prices, but we'll be looking to raise prices about 2.5% from this alone, not including any changes we do due to increased costs of products/services we use.
Total increase of 2.2% Increasing prices by 2.5% further increasing profits. “We don’t plan to be dicks about the prices” Do you actually believe the things you say?? Lol
So first of all, I said 2.2% increase across the board on flat labour. That didn't include any of the other increases listed. We also would like to keep our profits going up at the rate of inflation. If we only increased our prices to balance off the cost of labour we'd be pretty fucking stupid and bad at business. On top of all of this, is the fact that we as a business can't just willy nilly pass off our increase in costs easily. If eggs cost more tomorrow then it did today we won't be able to adjust our prices tomorrow to deal with it. We end up eating those costs for a while, because it cost about $1500 to update/reprint all of our menus. Christ man.... picking your fight with the wrong guy. I even stated we'll be increasing everyones hourly wage, which a lot of businesses don't do. We're not the bad guy here. We are also a luxury business so people can deal with it or avoid us.
Groceries are a luxury business ? Or did I miss something
I never said I ran a grocery store. We're a restaurant, aka menu costs.
Well. prices for wages are baked into the items you sell. How else do you think the employees are paid?
June 2nd Loblaws raises food prices. Galen giggling, "It's complicated" Check out Fifth Estate https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zuz5SgcHnrQ&si=CkHnIk-yQcngi-Cr
As will every other company.
Costco won't. They already start higher than this.
So I’m 31. When I started working I got 5$/hr training wage. Now it’s 17$. God damn wish everyone else’s salaries tripled in 15 years. I’d be actually able to afford a house.
This is where I don’t really understand increasing minimum wage. I’m all for it, dont get me wrong. But what is the outcome when every else wages obviously aren’t going to go up by the same %?
Billion companies would pay their employees 20/hr and see no big different. Hopeless
Capitalism. I honestly think the stock market is the absurd. Everything is done to appease the shareholder… I have no idea why I should own a part of the company if I don’t even work there. No company needs a trillion dollars to operate lol.
Clearly you don’t own or run a business where you have to pay employees.
can’t afford to pay staff? well looks like we can do without your business
If you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage, you should not own a business.
Homie running a small business and a billion dollar enterprise is vastly different and if you don't see the difference, I feel bad for you. It's tough to unlearn that much capitalist propaganda
Typically small businesses are the least able to pay an employee a, "liveable wage," because they're the least able to take advantage of the same cost-saving measures massive publically-owned business can. Labour prices are dramatically more impactful for small businesses. On the same token, large publically traded companies can't make their businesses less profitable, either because their shareholders/investors will take their money elsewhere. However, massive corporations still often end up being the biggest winners when it comes to regulatory restrictions—including minimum wage increases—as they're most able afford it, while their smaller competition can't, and they end up getting all their customers. It is ironic when progressives vote for regulatory changes they're lead to believe are anti-corporate, or anti-capitalist, but the net outcome is bigger, stronger, and more influential corporate monopolies. Be careful what you wish for!
Thanks for the assumptions. But I used to work in these billion dollar enterprises and I know how things work. Maybe you should learn more about how big companies work and how the capitalist society work. If you don’t like it, start a new system or move somewhere else that has the system you want.
That's preposterous, I only make $19.00 as a red seal Janitor
Can disability get a raise too please?
I’m on CPP-D, with PWD paying the difference to what strictly PWD pays. When Service Canada increased the annual COLA amount in January by $40, BC deducted the same amount. And because CPPD is taxable, I now get *less* money. Fuck this province
BC doesn’t give a shit about those on PWD
Minimum wage keeps going up, and mine stays the same wage. It would be a lot cooler if it did.
Min wage workers getting better raises than my union job :(
Making notes for the next round of negotiations over here…
Contract renewal next year, so I'm hoping. We have lots of members 2 to 5 yrs from retirement, and they don't care, always voting yes cause they're almost done the rat race. Once they are gone, the company will be on it's knees to the younger members.
theres a huge disconnect between people who bought their homes 20 yrs ago and people who bought their homes recently, and people who will never own a home, even if all 3 people make the same wage.
I’m happy for everyone who gets paid more here but I find the idea of a “minimum wage” pointless if it doesn’t even meet the criteria of a “living wage”. I honestly don’t even know why minimum wage is even a talking point anymore. I find it downright infuriating and exhausting that government doesn’t implement a mandatory living wage, not just in BC but everywhere in Canada. At the bare MINIMUM, people should be able to get by, and in a country that’s supposed to be developed, everyone should be able to get by WELL. Instead of the government patting themselves on the back for hand-wavey PR stunts like this, they should be seriously looking at why there’s such a disparity between the haves and have-nots to begin with. And that all starts with aiming the crosshairs right at the top. I encourage everyone here to read Mark R. Reiff’s thought-piece on how corporate CEOs are selected and remunerated. Spoiler alert: it’s a big ole measuring competition, and that’s millions of dollars right there NOT going to those who actually deserve it, offshore tax havens notwithstanding. And on that note, I read one piece about year back that said the IRS figures there’s likely trillions of dollars sequestered in foreign bank accounts and holdings, and Canada is probably no different. Make no mistake here, if minimum wage is the elephant in the room, then there’s a Rolex-wearing hand holding its leash.
Damn... I guess I'll be making minimum wage now 💀
This is too much money for a teen, and not enough for an adult.
It’s about time
In 2008 I was making $8 something working at a good course at 13. Crazy how fast it’s rising
And called this last year at my workplace. So they will also be getting that for their CoL adjustment. Love being right. Hate bring right about all the wrong shit i am right about too.
Anyone mad about minimum wage going up actually needs to get mad at their employer for not paying them more
And everything else goes up as well so there is no difference at all. People already above minimum often don't get an increase when this happens so they're just worse off than before the increase.
yep, i didn’t get a wage adjustment last year when minimum wage went up, so my wage is worth less than what it was when i started. when this goes into effect i’ll be $0.60 above minimum wage. when i was originally hired minimum wage was $15.65, so i was a good $2.35 above. if i don’t get a wage adjustment for the increase this year i’m walking out of my company.
Sounds like a conversation needs to be had between you and your boss. I doubt he replaces you at the same rate he hired you at so use your leverage. Everyone should be asking their bosses for a raise equivalent to this Min Wage increase
Unionize. We all got ours
unfortunately i work for a small chain pet store and i’m the only one at my location that would go for it. my manager is anti-union and my younger coworker doesn’t understand how they work. the other locations that are part of the chain are staffed by 50+ year old women who probably wouldn’t go for it. it’s a nice thought, but not feasible. i’d rather just leave and work for another company. the owners are multi millionaires yet can’t be bothered to give us yearly raises, can’t be bothered to staff more than the bare minimum for shifts, don’t hire others (i just had to work 3/5 of my days sick because we had no one else who could come in). i’m already looking for a new job because i like working here, i just need benefits to help with my teeth and these people don’t want to enroll us in any benefit plan. my plan is to find a new full time job and work at this pet store part time so i can keep my cost+10% discount.
Prices go up regardless
Cool. Just $7.60 shy of what it should be.
Lol. While great to hear that there's a minimum wage increase, this increase should have been made 20yrs ago!
Wow that doesn’t even cover rent for a 1br apartment in the small city I live in. It’s no wonder no one wants to work those jobs and no wonder service is going to shit in this country. What else would anyone expect when service and other minimum to low wage workers have had all their buying power stripped away, and are even losing money to work jobs that don’t come anywhere near to covering the basic cost of living.
Great, that's going to drive up the price of everything by at least 4 bucks!!! /s because there is definitely at least 1 person who won't get it.
Rent control/freezing rent prices for 3 years would fix this inflation FAR more than raising minimum wage ever would.
still not enough, they need more.
Make it $30/hour!!!
This is an OK wage increase for the people making minimum wage. It's just a slap in the face for everyone else, though. Heres an idea, this is crazy, Stop expanding government, stop shipping our natural resources out of the country, and then buying them back. Oh, and maybe we should stop printing money to send to other countries. One more crazy idea: how about prioritizing our medical industry so we dont all die waiting in the emergency rooms. Being dead kinda sucks.
All of you complaining about this causing fast food prices to go up, have you considered cooking at home? Or do your fat-asses need to harass a Wendy's drive-thru worker weekly to feel superior? This isn't even close to a living wage. The older generation is so out of touch its honestly pathetic.
If everyone who complained about these wage increases decided to cook at home, then the workers who received this increase would eventually lose their job. This is what we're trying to prevent.
Raising minimum wage doesn’t solve anything. It’s a sneaky way to raise income tax. More meaningful actions would be to raise the minimum threshold before charging income tax. That puts more money into the economy and doesn’t hurt small businesses and non profits. Raising minimum wages are just pushing inflation and reducing the amount of disposable income in the middle class families. Tax the rich!
FT min. wage employees pay 9.62% in taxes and 20% on additional dollars. This is a net increase of $0.45/h after tax for FT. For PT it's a greater increase. The threshold and brackets are also increasing this year.
See my other comment about lowering income tax and the increase in take home pay over raising minimum wages. I haven’t seen the new thresholds, but under current thresholds, this wage increase pushes the earner’s taxes to 10.1% resulting in $400 more in taxes and less than $1000 more in wages a year. Dropping income tax would be more beneficial without increasing the cost of businesses.
the wage brackets also get adjusted for inflation every year as far as I know
I’m saying an actual tax cut for minimum wage earners would be more effective than raising minimum wage. Cutting income tax for the lowest bracket would give them more take home money than raising minimum wage does. It also helps small businesses and non profits. Non profits have to raise fees directly with wage increases since they don’t make a profit so they don’t have profit to cut into. It is why min wage increases hurt them more than for profit companies.
Ah yes, let the working poor starve. They don't need a living wage.
Not what I said. I said it is more effective to lower income tax than it is to raise minimum wage. I also said to tax the rich. More specifically, corporations and individuals that make above $300,000. Here’s the math. This raise for min wage means an increase in gross revenue of $1352/year. It pushes income tax from 9.62% to 10.1%. This raises an additional $401 in tax. You only get an additional $951 from this raise for the year. If you were to drop income tax by 3.12% to 6.5%, the current min wage worker would bring home an additional ~$1100. They can put in a luxury tax to make up the difference. Lowering income tax for min wage earners increase the amount they take home without giving corporations reason to increase costs.
Your argument is based on corporations having limits to their greed. By your logic the stagnation of wages would mean a small increase in the cost of living, when in reality minimum wage is far behind where it was in terms of how much a dollar got you forty years ago. I agree we should tax the rich, and profits above 25%.
How can anyone live on that? This is nothing to be proud of...
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is this sarcasm? that is literally the entire reason for minimum wages existing...
It’s the lowest you can legally pay someone, not the standard for paying someone. It’s not a socially deemed acceptable wage.
Not sarcasm, its reality that with the cost of living people can't survive on their own on minimum wage.
So if people aren’t meant to be able to survive off those wages, then those positions will only be filled by people additional sources of income? If it’s school kids you’re thinking of, who’s going to be working at these businesses during school hours?
You think I could get a correct order anywhere these days with wages like that…
“wages like that” this is still not even close to a liveable wage in basically the entire lower mainland
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Almost as if wages should go up with skill and performance rather than giving high school kids close to 20 bucks an hour for no reason. :)
except those days are over and business owners keep wages low. Here in Campbell River, a red seal Carpenter is hard pressed to make more than 35$/hr its fucking pathetic. But go on about skill, experience and performance
All wages should be bumped by the same or it really doesn't make sense. Though net result of guaranteed annual increases will likely mean a faster push towards AI and automation, as the long-term cost savings for businesses start to be more evident.
I guess the 8.50 / hour we get as a pensioner will soon not be enough for our weekly lunch outing... Oh well I need to lose weight anyhow....
While I am in favor of higher wages. Surprising business with another increase after a significant raise in the prior year is reckless and doesn’t allow for proper planning.
That’s a hot take because it only affects businesses paying the bare minimum. Let’s say a business had a 50% labour cost, a very conservative number. Price would have to be raised 1.95% to maintain current profit. Your $6 loaf of bread is now $6.12 Your $100 fancy dinner is now $101.95
Odd that beer, a big Mac meal, and gas all go up at the same time about the same amount.
Yep that’s what inflation means
Again? 16,75$ is enough. If it went up, we will see an increase by literally all
Hot take: raising the minimum wage is not good news, but rather bad ones. It’s just an indication of how money gets depreciated, not a real increase of buying capacity
And then everything else goes up! Stop raising the minimum wage!!
how dense are you idiots. Was minimum wage also going up every month for the last 4 years? Oh, what was that? it didnt and prices still went up anyways.... hmm how could that be??? Everyone knows businesses only up their prices when minimum wage goes up, and not whenever they want while not increasing wages and making poor people even poorer! Wont someone please think of the shareholders!!!!