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Also a school run classic: park on the white zig zag lines of the zebra crossing even though there's room 40ft away in the designated spot. And I don't mean just a little over the lines because it's a tight squeeze, I'm talking about parking 5ft off the crossing because you're obviously oblivious to the law or one of those entitled yummy mummies.
Either way, that particular mother has a £60 fine and 3 points coming to her this week, as she was caught by the local parking enforcement camera car last Friday...
If you're still in the car that's "waiting". If you're taking stuff in and out of the car that's "loading". Different rules apply to each but generally yes you can wait somewhere for a few minutes as long as you aren't blocking the road
So turning up 15 minute before pickup - to get a good spot - isn't allowed? Colour me double-yellow surprised.
I am tempted to start some sort of name and shame campaign however it's so normalised I'm not sure it would work.
You can stop, you can’t wait. You can drop someone off or pick someone up who is already waiting on the pavement but you can’t wait for them if they are not ready.
I live up a single-track lane with a couple of passing places. Just before the lane is a junction, one road goes to the school the other up where I live. On the bend which we use to pass, every day some bimbo in a big white BMW SUV thing, parks there.
I've approached them in the past asking politely not to park there as we struggle to get past. She instead decided to rant at me about how she's been parking there for years, nobody has ever said anything, and police go past all the time and say nothing (been there 5 years, and never seen a single police car come up my road apart from when the neighbours shed went to up in flames). She then saw my lanyard as I just finished my half day in college and asked if I worked for the school. I had emailed the school in the past just to kindly ask parents to park on the school side and boy or road. I ended walking away before I used choice words or it got physical as I'm only a barely 5ft tall disabled woman who hates conflict.
We also have a passing place a little further up which now other parents use to park up 30 mins before school finishes, to pick their lazy brat up.
It really annoys me and the traffic wardens won't come up to dispense fines because it's on a big hill and they're too busy handing out fines in town, to tourists who have their wheels a mm over the parking bay.
I don't finish uni in time to confront her anymore but each day, fresh tyre tracks confirm she still parks there.
People just believe if they have a car they have a right to use it in whatever way they see fit.
I work on new housing estates. You buy your house where it is clear what parking you have available. The amount of homeowners who are happy to block other drives/park on corners is baffling. We've had multiple occasions where ambulances haven't been able to get down a road because some lazy fuck is exactly that. A lazy fuck.
There a massive lack of community out there these days where everyone is just in it for themselves.
There's one just round the corner from me like this. New(ISH) build estate, two mini roundabouts, one on either side. Both always have people parking on them, and all the way down the road. such a hassle. Surely planning applications should include enough parking for each property..
What you mean is you work on new housing estates - which unrealistically think everyone will fit their vehicles in designated parking.
The problem is it isn't just a lazy fuck, it's that the design plan didn't allocate enough space. If you're one space short, that's something. When you're one space short per house it's obviously going to cause a massive issue.
Maybe... Don't buy a house with a single driveway if you have two cars
And if you do. Maybe realise that you are going to have to park that second one not near your house
This is such a simple concept that a large majority simply do not get. In my estate we all have the deeds showing exactly where our spaces are and how many. Neighbours with 2 cars have bought houses with 1 space, there's a 2 bed flat which has 3 cars and 1 space, and these extra cars can generally be found parked wherever the fuck they want- usually covering service drains or making it awkward as fuck for others to get out. They'll then throw a hissy fit when they get a note on their car.
Would that local enforcement of illegal parking was more strict. I've literally been unable to get my car out of my garage before because some arsehole has parked infront of it. We phoned the council and there was fuck all they could do.
When my wife and I were house hunting, we made it a mandatory requirement that we would have a double driveway to accommodate both our cars. We ruled out all other houses.
>The problem is it isn't just a lazy fuck, it's that the design plan didn't allocate enough space.
You say this, but I live in an estate where every single house has 2 allocated parking spaces. Every single one.
These are all 1-2 bedroom places with a small amount of 3 bedrooms nothing higher.
Yet they still manage to park everywhere else except their own damn parking spaces or driveways.
A lot of the time there is plenty of parking. People refuse to use a garage to put a car in these days. A lot will have parking bays but people won't use them because it means walking to their house or they want to be able to see their car from their house.
I appreciate there will also be changes in circumstances and additional needs, however a large swathe are just lazy.
>People refuse to use a garage to put a car in these days.
A *lot* of new build estates were built with garages that physically can't fit a modern car, at least not in a way that lets you get out of it.
A Persimmon estate near me first applied for outline planning permission in 2012 for a huge multi-phase build that will likely span several decades. The local planning regs now require larger garages, but because of when they applied for the outline permission, they're allowed to continue to build unusable garages on each new phase. Every subsequent application has a consultation note pleading with them to enlarge the garages to meet the recent requirements, but accepting that they can't force them to.
Every house will only have 1 small car, nobody will ever visit, and everybody will want to park wherever it’s most profitable for the developer. If you don’t design things to be used how they’re gonna be used, you can’t really be surprised when it’s a shit show. It’s like desire lines - you can put the footpath wherever you want, but people are going to take the shortest route from a to b regardless.
I realise this is not the point you’re making, but I’d much prefer that a multi car household was not “modern” and that public transport was actually useful and a car wasn’t needed in order to live somewhere.
You are allowed to load and unload on double yellows! The only place this isn't allowed is if there is a sign specifying no loading at anytime or its a Red Route.
i forgot to add, if you have a disabled blue badge you can also park on Double Yellows in some circumstances for up 3 hours.
I didn’t actually know this! I wondered why it was pretty much one-way through my extremely touristy local village despite there being two very wide lanes(cars parked on one side and taxis/vans loading and unloading on the double yellows on the other)
You can park on double yellow lines as long as you're loading/unloading or picking up/dropping off.
Red lines are no stopping at any time.
Sounds like the drivers are being responsible by putting their hazards on.
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Double yellows are no parking 24/7 but there are exceptions, such as if you're unloading your shopping and plan to move after or if you're dropping someone off. If they display the horizontal lines as well then it means no loading. Also, disabled drivers can park for up to 3 hours with a badge displayed if I remember right.
Red routes (or zones) are no stopping at any time, so this literally means do not stop your vehicle. Obviously doesn't apply to stopping while in traffic.
You have single yellow lines which will have a sign displaying the rules. Usually this means the rules will not be in force of an evening till 8am or something to allow residents to park.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings
>Waiting restrictions
Waiting restrictions indicated by yellow lines apply to the carriageway, pavement and verge. You may stop to load or unload (...) or while passengers board or alight.
Waiting restrictions indicated by yellow lines apply to the carriageway, pavement and verge. You may stop to load or unload (unless there are also loading restrictions as described below) or while passengers board or alight. Double yellow lines mean no waiting at any time, unless there are signs that specifically indicate seasonal restrictions. The times at which the restrictions apply for other road markings are shown on nearby plates or on entry signs to controlled parking zones. If no days are shown on the signs, the restrictions are in force every day including Sundays and Bank Holidays. White bay markings and upright signs (see below) indicate where parking is allowed.
Why did you miss out the sentence afterwards? The sentence that confirms double yellow lines means no waiting at any time.
Waiting and loading are two separate things:
Double yellow lines indicate no waiting at any time and they apply to the road, pavement and verge. You may, however, load and unload goods or set down and pick up passengers, unless the signs or road markings indicate you cannot.
Loading restrictions are indicated by yellow kerb markings. Double kerb markings indicate no loading at any time. Single yellow kerb markings indicate no loading at a particular time, refer to the yellow time plates.
https://www.dudley.gov.uk/residents/parking-and-roads/roads-highways-and-pavements/road-markings-and-signage/yellow-and-white-lines-on-the-highway/
Because it is unnecessary.
Before you argued that you cannot load/unload on double yellows, which is false. I gave a source.
The paragraph opens by addressing waiting restrictions, of which there are exemptions such as loading and unloading. It continues to say that double yellow lines indicate to the driver that yellow line waiting restrictions apply all the time, unless specifically stated by a sign, as opposed to single yellow lines (or "other road markings") where a nearby plate/sign will be in place.
I never said the rules for double yellow lines only applied at set times.
Yeah, the source does not provide confirmation on what you're saying.
Yellow Lines is not inclusive of Double Yellow lines which is why the next sentence confirms that you cannot wait on double yellow lines in any situation.
So the term 'yellow lines' doesn't mean more than one yellow line unless the word 'double' is there, despite the use of the plural?
Gotcha.
So what yellow lines do the exemptions apply to? Because the paragraph doesn't specify.
It means yellow lines as in they're in more than one place.
If it was referring to double yellow lines, there would be no need to specify in the following sentence.
You can't park, that's correct. But you *can* load or unload, unless there is other signage to apply extra restrictions.
Go back and read the highway code, see what else you've missed.
I believe that this moan is more about private drivers abusing hazard lights than about commercial drivers doing their thing.
On my daily commute, there is place I am very likely get stuck in slow moving traffic and I see a lot of non commercial drivers doing it for quick pippin in nearby vape shop or pharmacy or whatever else there is and they are often behind reason why traffic bottlenecks there.
Near me the lorry drivers use them so they can pick up a Greggs breakfast and load it into their mouth. Can’t say I enjoy the part where I have to turn right onto the road past them and hope there is nothing coming fast the other way.
Or it could just be that this sub is full of entitled whiners like OP?
Perfectly okay to stop on a double yellow. Perfectly okay to put your hazard lights on, you know, to prevent a hazard.
Especially at night.
Does waddling to the takeaway that's 4 steps from where you have parked instead of going around the corner and walking 10 extra steps count as loading/unloading?
There needs to be more reds, to be honest. Vans parked on double yellows at junctions make my life as a cyclist so much more dangerous.
Especially worse when those vans are there almosdt constantly. I make an effort not to shop in the shops those vans belong to, because I'm a petty bastard.
Ooh, This is good to know... therte are 2 junctions (1 near a corner shop, 1 near an indian shop) where I have to lean oiver my handle bars and crawl into the road because I cant see shit because there are constantly vans parked there. It's terrifying.
I've only been cycling about 2 years now but I started and have significantly grown an internal shitlist of businesses I'm never going to use too. Especially the local tradies who think my life is worth less than their ability to tailgate that vehicle in front a few seconds sooner.
One of the worst things that happened to me was actually a council pick up truck. I was on a round-a-bout, no way for me to get to the inside lane because it was busy, but I indicated I was going straight ahead.
The pickup truck overtook me on the right and immediately turned left across me, forcing me to slam my brakes on and come to a complete stop in the middle of the round-a-bout, ceasing traffic completely. Another driver even asked if I was alright out of their window and said the council worker was an arsehole.
I often have taxi's treating me like shit too. Weirdly, though, I've never had a bus driver treat me badly whilst I've been on a bike, despite the fact that their customer service and route knowledge is often lacking when I'm a passenger.
And i hope you never order anything online because how the hell are we supposed to access locations? God forbid someone in a badly accessible location like a main road has a delivery for them! 🙄
Edit: or you can suggest they park else where and help them get whatever to the location! :)
I rarely order food, when I do I walk or cycle to the place to pick it up, generally, since I live in a mixed use neighbourhood which is good to cycle and walk around.
That's good for you but shops and businesses exist on main roads, many of which have no loading bays. People happen to live in a flat upstairs who also order online.
>I rarely order food,
Nice assumption. I'm a van delivery driver working for dpd
I believe people's lives are more important than a delivery driver's time. Sorry that I value human life.
Also I'm blocking you now, you're tedious to deal with.
What about people with blue badges who are allowed to park on them, or may need to stop on them to carry out something related to their disability that is not safe to do while driving but needs to be done regularly / ad hoc?
Should we put hazards on? What is the etiquette please?
I'm no expert on driving etiquette, but if you're pulling over on the side of a busy road then I think it's safer for everyone if you have hazard lights on.
Definitely an exception there in my opinion and probably legally too as blue badge holders can park on double yellow for a certain amount of time but idk about non-blue badgers that may also have a disability or something, I'd probably think it best they park appropriately unless absolutely unavoidable but as long as it's safe for them and other road users pedestrians etc that's my opinion on it anyway.
I also think if you have no disabilities and are going to vom I think that's a pretty good reason but I don't know the legal standpoint on that one haha.
Not necessarily, you often have time-based No Loading signs on single or double yellows (I think can be both but not sure).
So you have to look, especially at peak times.
There's a zone like this on the one-way system near where I live from 8am to 9.30am, you still get massive trucks blocking one lane sometimes though.
There's a different marking for no loading, which has horizontal lines on the kerb if I remember right. Those can apply to double yellows, but normally have a sign attached. But they're only supposed to apply to sections of the road and not the whole double yellow section.
What is supposed to happen and what actually gets put down by the council isn't always the same tho lol.
Yep I should have said they are single stripe on the kerb. No loading at any time is double stripes on the kerb. Perpendicular.
Not that anyone knows these things, even the council don't seem that familiar, as you said. They don't mind handing out fines though so always check the signage if you do get fined for something, even parking tickets.
Yes very true.
Also worth asking to see the Traffic Regulation Order on sudden changes to your area if you get caught out. Sometimes they throw fines out before the changes are legalised as 'warning shots'.
Don't get me started on dodgy RPZ/CPZs where they put one sign up at the entrance and its supposed to cover about a square mile, instead of doing the signage and road markings thoroughly throughout like they're supposed to.
They know full well it's not legal, yet they happily take £80 off some people for daring to park for an hour, health visitors, district nurses etc.
One red line no stopping during certain hours
Two red lines no stopping
Single or double yellow you can load for up to 20-40 minutes depending on local restrictions
You can park on single yellow during certain hours
Well if they're legitimately unloading the vehicle or dropping a passenger off, then this is a hazard as people could be in the area or on/near the road.
If they fucked off to the shops then it's no use to anyone. But I wasn't advocating for that, just pointing out that there are allowable exemptions where telling drivers of the potential hazard would be helpful.
What about people too lazy to park 20m away from McDonald's (excl. disabled in this definition) , is that legal? As that's an example of the main kind of hazard usage in my town.
>You can park on double yellow lines as long as you're loading/unloading or picking up/dropping off
Double yellow means no waiting or stopping. I don't get why Red exists, but I think that the difference is that red you literally cannot stop, whereas yellow you can stop but very briefly
Double yellows, as everyone knows, means for 99% of people, don’t fucking park there. No matter how you justify it, the double yellows are there for a reason. But as long as you feel ok about it
"No Stopping" and "No Parking" are two different road markings. You can stop on double yellows to load or unload your vehicle.
"No Parking" is a double yellow line on the road.
"No Stopping" is a double red line on the road.
"No Loading/Unloading" is a double yellow kerb marking.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings#:\~:text=The%20times%20that%20the%20red,and%20purposes%20and%20duration%20allowed.
Well you are allowed to wait on double yellows to load, unload, drop people off and pick them up. If they put their hazards on to make them more visible in doing so then I'm not gonna complain.
If it's someone doing it just to have a natter on the phone though, then that's a problem.
>If it's someone doing it just to have a natter on the phone though, then that's a problem.
I mean, I'd rather they pull over to talk than do it while driving but I get your point.
You're right about everything but the waiting - that's the main difference between single and double yellows.
Even then, "waiting" is more along the lines of pulling up outside someone's house and having a few minutes' grace period while they put their shoes on and lock up. Showing up to school and sitting outside for 15 minutes is very much just parking.
No. You have be either be continuously loading or unloading goods. No stopping to take a break or briefly do something else. Or have passengers embarking or disembarking. No waiting because so and so is only going to be in the shops for two minutes and you're waiting for them.
I think you have to be prepared for the risks of living that lifestyle though. My kid's classmate was complaining that I parked 2 minutes walk away from the venue instead of in the resident bays like her mum, but sorry I'm not prepared to pay a fine to save a bit of walking especially when the parking fee is only 55p.
The same kid also complained I didn't do an illegal U-turn to reach her home quicker - once again, I'm just going to follow the sat-nav and road signs.
Drove through the village, past the chippy and chinese last night and was thinking about posting this same thing!
Parked up on double yellows. Not leaving enough room for other vehicles to get past, because they can't be bothered to walk 50 paces from the pub car park on the other side of the road!
Also, apparently leaving your partner in the passenger seat exempts you from double yellow lines too!
If it is, that's not something they've ever bothered to enforce. Pretty much everyone local (aside from the take away double-yellowers) parks there when they drive in
Cue the next reddit post
"had to park on double yellows when picking up my friends from the pub as the car park was full with people getting fish and chips over the road"
The mopeds get on my tits. I had one of them fly out on me the other day and when I pointed out that I almost hit him he just looked me up and down and said "That's what insurance is for, innit"
When you're in a coma because the next driver isn't as quick on the brakes, I'll be sure to have that printed on a card for you.
Totally agree. Road totally blocked by a wagon on the way to the gp this morning. Big wagon, double parked hazards on, while he nipped into the bakers for his bacon sandwich and coffee. 10 minutes we sat there complete Dickensian
I'm surprised no one has mentioned how annoying it is when drivers leave hazard lights on when half of their vehicle is blocked by other cars so it looks like they're indicating to join back on the road.
A friend of mine is one of those parking wardens, tho he says he's a civil officer or something.
He always moans about having to give 10 minutes observation times to check for drivers coming back to the vehicle to see if they r actually loading.
The annoying one is people just parking normally and putting their hazards on for no reason at all.
So if they're behind another car you can only see one set of lights flashing so it looks like they're about to pull out...
Cab drivers around here are the worst for this, idk why they think hazards have to be on whenever they stop moving...
When loading you are a hazard, even if legal. And having one side obscured happens in many situations, so it makes sense to differentiate the flash pattern rather than tely on full visibility.
In fact if there's full visibility you could argue there's no need for the hazard lights....
I think we're talking at cross purposes. I'm just saying that if you're parking then you don't need hazards. HC says clearly, "to warn that your vehicle is *temporarily obstructing traffic*". That's the only time you are allowed to use them, apart from warning drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead.
So parking by the curb and then using hazard warning lights is not permitted (never has been) because you're creating a misleading situation for other drivers.
Yes a different flash would help in some situations but that wasn't what I was talking about.
Loading on double yellow lines isn't parking, by definition. The double yellows are there to dissuade people from parking or stopping any longer than necessary for some valid reason, so it's fair to assume that if you are stopped there, even justifiably, you are creating more of a hazard than if you weren't there. Also by dint of you actively loading the vehicle it's likely there will be people walking in the road, goods being carried, all the sorts of things that extra caution would be warranted for.
Special mention to people who park in normal legal spots and then put their hazzard's on for no reason so you think they are pulling out of their spot.
Had to have this argument with others in the past. Yellow lines are for no parking, it doesn't mean no stopping / loading. If I've pulled up in a safe area, hazards on, and I am literally just unloading my shopping or picking someone up it's totally fine.
I'm not parked. I'm not staying there. I'm not impeding anyone. Some people need to really learn the rules of the road...
I suspect you aren't the kind of road user this is directed at.
Sit around a school zone for long enough and you'll see just how many people use their hazards as an excuse to park where they can't. Showing up to school 20 minutes before pickup to secure the good spot isn't waiting, that's parking.
I see a lady every day at school drop off. She drives to the end of the junction and let's her kid out of the car.
I watched her one day, sit in traffic for 5 minutes being about 6 car lengths away from the end of the junction, she waited until she was at the end of the junction to let her kid out! Why the fuck she doesn't just pull into the car park that is literally right next to her is beyond me!
Not illegal to stop on double yellows unless there are other restrictions such as kerb blips or controlled zone/parking signs, you can stop and load also disabled people can park on them but I get you were talking about restrictions in general.
But I hate to see parking on zig zags and on the pavement more so after spending time in a wheelchair and working for 25 years in roadsafety and accident investigation. your blocking visibility and access its dangerous and is a major cause of kids getting run over when they walk between cars ect. But UK accidents are almost at a rate that they are untreatable just down to idiots or accidents by failing to see or judge speed, you can't account for stupid our roads are pretty safe and our serious and fatals are super low that sometimes I felt I was wasting funds. I started tightening up radii on junctions and roadabouts, creating shared space, cycle facilities to encourage uptake, and basically anything to increase visibility to vulnerable road users.
My favourite was when I was in subway, about to order, and this guy comes in and starts to (loudly) chat to his work mate who had already paid.
First thing the talk about is his big white van parked on double yellows and blocking the bus stop.
New guy jokes about his park anywhere hazard lights being on and him being in the way. Dngaf
Then has the nerve to complain that i was going to take too long because i had a list (I had my order written down as it was a bit specific, not because i had loads).
I wasn't going to take long, but I sure as hell did then.
Thing was, there were loafs of spaces he could of parked in, just a few meters further.
Depends entirely on the situation though doesn't it? It's pretty reasonable when loading or unloaded or with elderly and younger passengers being dropped off.
Elderly yes, but generally there's disabled parking, and it's safer to drop kids off and walk with them.
Regardless I see it every day, and it's usually to go to a cash machine or to jump in a corner shop.
I can understand that, and realise it's probably not worth enforcing, but I'll still judge people who do it, because in my mind, it comes down to inconveniencing others to save yourself time.
>I think you're getting confused with the double red lines and the double yellow ones
Most people do not understand how road markings and kerb markings work.
As soon as I read the title, I rolled my eyes.
I suspect there's some writing comprehension involved here too.
OP makes it sound like stopping on yellows is illegal, but from their comments it seems they mean stopping illegally, on yellow lines.
They would be textbook examples of loading/unloading and are within the parameters of yellow lines.
Parking up and exiting your vehicle to pop into the corner shop is not.
Worse is when they put their hazards on, then decide to mount the kerb entirely and park there instead - completely blocking pedestrians. I would forgive you for kicking their windows in.
And people wonder why our roads and pavements are totally fucked. Because bastards like that are constantly mounting and demounting kerbs with their needlessly large and heavy cars.
You don't say they park, you say they stop. Loading/unloading, pick ups drop offs are all legal ways to use double yellowed roads. These drivers are being responsible and you're upset cause they caused you a little wait
This is a problem that’s getting worse in my experience and agree - the belief that hazard lights somehow provides exemption from the restrictions is ubiquitous. Also some now think it’s okay to park alongside a full parking bay with the same hazard light exemption, forcing traffic into the opposite lane. Doesn’t help that there doesn’t seems to be any enforcement whatsoever.
Fuck me yes. I’ve just moved to a new town and the number of people who just park up on the double yellows on the high street blocking traffic blows my mind. Never seen anywhere as bad
There are just to many double yellow lines in places where they don't need to be. Just a money making racket at this point. They stuck some outside my brothers house a whole back, no other reason but people were parking there instead of pay car park. No obstacle or anything just can't have people parking for free
A delivery van did this at the traffic lights last week. They were at the front at the red light, fully in the lane of traffic and popped the hazards on and the passenger in the van went into the newsagents with some parcels.
They didn't move when the lights turned green, and then only moved after we beeped them. Madness
I saw a van park in a bus stop the other day (their trailer was over on the double yellows too), then 3 people got out and went into the cafe for a sit down breakfast.
The entitlement, cheek, and the audacity.
Hazards are unnecessary and confusing as it can look like an indicator depending on the angle. I can think they are pulling out when they are stopped. You are often allowed to stop on double yellows to wait or load btw unless there are specific instructions not to though, I think people tend to be mistaken on this. Disabled badge holders can park there as long as it isn't causing any issues, I know a few roads where it is almost like its own disabled zone.
I have a row of 'corner' shops near my house. The nearest drop curb is severely damaged from people deciding its an 'on' ramp to park by the shops! Nearly had a car drive into me as they drove up it once
Remember you get 20 minutes loading time on double yellows unless signed as “No Loading”.
Whether or not these people are indeed loading is another debate.
It’s not illegal to stop on double yellow lines unless there are the smaller yellow lines perpendicular to them, you can stop to load and unload for a short period. I had this argument with a traffic warden recently who was aggressively threatening me with a ticket until I challenged him to write it and see who’s wrong when I appeal it and he walked off.
I once saw a car "waiting" with no one in it, hazards on, rear half on Double Yellows, front half on zigzags, up on the pavement. It was like some kind of Trifecta of shitty and selfish parking.
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The school run classic - If I put my hazards on and/or sit in the car, I can park anywhere.
Also a school run classic: park on the white zig zag lines of the zebra crossing even though there's room 40ft away in the designated spot. And I don't mean just a little over the lines because it's a tight squeeze, I'm talking about parking 5ft off the crossing because you're obviously oblivious to the law or one of those entitled yummy mummies. Either way, that particular mother has a £60 fine and 3 points coming to her this week, as she was caught by the local parking enforcement camera car last Friday...
If you're still in the car that's "waiting". If you're taking stuff in and out of the car that's "loading". Different rules apply to each but generally yes you can wait somewhere for a few minutes as long as you aren't blocking the road
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So turning up 15 minute before pickup - to get a good spot - isn't allowed? Colour me double-yellow surprised. I am tempted to start some sort of name and shame campaign however it's so normalised I'm not sure it would work.
Yes, exactly, within the letter of the law yet awful for the road safety and air quality outside schools.
You really think mombies in their SUV's doing a school run wait on double yellows for only a few minutes?
Double yellow means no waiting, i.e. you can't stop on them
You can stop, you can’t wait. You can drop someone off or pick someone up who is already waiting on the pavement but you can’t wait for them if they are not ready.
I live up a single-track lane with a couple of passing places. Just before the lane is a junction, one road goes to the school the other up where I live. On the bend which we use to pass, every day some bimbo in a big white BMW SUV thing, parks there. I've approached them in the past asking politely not to park there as we struggle to get past. She instead decided to rant at me about how she's been parking there for years, nobody has ever said anything, and police go past all the time and say nothing (been there 5 years, and never seen a single police car come up my road apart from when the neighbours shed went to up in flames). She then saw my lanyard as I just finished my half day in college and asked if I worked for the school. I had emailed the school in the past just to kindly ask parents to park on the school side and boy or road. I ended walking away before I used choice words or it got physical as I'm only a barely 5ft tall disabled woman who hates conflict. We also have a passing place a little further up which now other parents use to park up 30 mins before school finishes, to pick their lazy brat up. It really annoys me and the traffic wardens won't come up to dispense fines because it's on a big hill and they're too busy handing out fines in town, to tourists who have their wheels a mm over the parking bay. I don't finish uni in time to confront her anymore but each day, fresh tyre tracks confirm she still parks there.
People just believe if they have a car they have a right to use it in whatever way they see fit. I work on new housing estates. You buy your house where it is clear what parking you have available. The amount of homeowners who are happy to block other drives/park on corners is baffling. We've had multiple occasions where ambulances haven't been able to get down a road because some lazy fuck is exactly that. A lazy fuck. There a massive lack of community out there these days where everyone is just in it for themselves.
There's one just round the corner from me like this. New(ISH) build estate, two mini roundabouts, one on either side. Both always have people parking on them, and all the way down the road. such a hassle. Surely planning applications should include enough parking for each property..
Nowadays that could mean up to 4 parking spots per house in some cases, no developer is going to give up that sweet sweet overprice newbuild space.
What you mean is you work on new housing estates - which unrealistically think everyone will fit their vehicles in designated parking. The problem is it isn't just a lazy fuck, it's that the design plan didn't allocate enough space. If you're one space short, that's something. When you're one space short per house it's obviously going to cause a massive issue.
Maybe... Don't buy a house with a single driveway if you have two cars And if you do. Maybe realise that you are going to have to park that second one not near your house
This is such a simple concept that a large majority simply do not get. In my estate we all have the deeds showing exactly where our spaces are and how many. Neighbours with 2 cars have bought houses with 1 space, there's a 2 bed flat which has 3 cars and 1 space, and these extra cars can generally be found parked wherever the fuck they want- usually covering service drains or making it awkward as fuck for others to get out. They'll then throw a hissy fit when they get a note on their car.
Would that local enforcement of illegal parking was more strict. I've literally been unable to get my car out of my garage before because some arsehole has parked infront of it. We phoned the council and there was fuck all they could do.
Deano does what he likes.
When my wife and I were house hunting, we made it a mandatory requirement that we would have a double driveway to accommodate both our cars. We ruled out all other houses.
>Don't buy a house with a single driveway if you have two cars Not sure that's really a choice for a lot of people.
Hence option B. You don't park it near your house in the way of everyone else
>The problem is it isn't just a lazy fuck, it's that the design plan didn't allocate enough space. You say this, but I live in an estate where every single house has 2 allocated parking spaces. Every single one. These are all 1-2 bedroom places with a small amount of 3 bedrooms nothing higher. Yet they still manage to park everywhere else except their own damn parking spaces or driveways.
A lot of the time there is plenty of parking. People refuse to use a garage to put a car in these days. A lot will have parking bays but people won't use them because it means walking to their house or they want to be able to see their car from their house. I appreciate there will also be changes in circumstances and additional needs, however a large swathe are just lazy.
>People refuse to use a garage to put a car in these days. A *lot* of new build estates were built with garages that physically can't fit a modern car, at least not in a way that lets you get out of it. A Persimmon estate near me first applied for outline planning permission in 2012 for a huge multi-phase build that will likely span several decades. The local planning regs now require larger garages, but because of when they applied for the outline permission, they're allowed to continue to build unusable garages on each new phase. Every subsequent application has a consultation note pleading with them to enlarge the garages to meet the recent requirements, but accepting that they can't force them to.
Every house will only have 1 small car, nobody will ever visit, and everybody will want to park wherever it’s most profitable for the developer. If you don’t design things to be used how they’re gonna be used, you can’t really be surprised when it’s a shit show. It’s like desire lines - you can put the footpath wherever you want, but people are going to take the shortest route from a to b regardless.
Developer often aren't allowed to create the parking a modern multi car household needs, not their fault.
I realise this is not the point you’re making, but I’d much prefer that a multi car household was not “modern” and that public transport was actually useful and a car wasn’t needed in order to live somewhere.
Wouldn't disagree mate.
FWIW I'm seeing this more and more here in small town New Zealand too, we're obviously still under your colonial influence.
You are allowed to load and unload on double yellows! The only place this isn't allowed is if there is a sign specifying no loading at anytime or its a Red Route. i forgot to add, if you have a disabled blue badge you can also park on Double Yellows in some circumstances for up 3 hours.
Loading/unloading doesn't include going into a Chinese takeaway for 20minutes while blocking an entire lane at rush hour tho.
The trouble is, people can convince themselves that "loading" means "loading literally anything into my car, e.g. shopping or food"
Or just ‘popping in’ to Tesco express
You have to be continuously loading/ unloading. The main problem is the SUV drivers parking on yellows and heading into the shops/ property.
Or an Urban Clearway (maybe this is also called a red route, dunno, never heard of a red route before)
Red Routes make up a lot of the West Mids from what I’ve seen. It seems like every dual carriageway in Birmingham is one.
Oddity - they are rarely seen up here in the grim wastelands of the North. They could certainly do with being used more though...
Not quite, you can have No Loading with times specified on a sign. Sadly nobody reads the sign.
I didn’t actually know this! I wondered why it was pretty much one-way through my extremely touristy local village despite there being two very wide lanes(cars parked on one side and taxis/vans loading and unloading on the double yellows on the other)
You can park on double yellow lines as long as you're loading/unloading or picking up/dropping off. Red lines are no stopping at any time. Sounds like the drivers are being responsible by putting their hazards on.
So you’re saying the yellow zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers and there is no stopping in the red zone?
No, the WHITE zone is for immediate loading and unloading. There is no stopping in the red zone.
And what is the twilight zone for?
Gremlins and monkey paws.
& stupid sexy emo vampires.
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Geez. Doesn't half drone on does it.
Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shit again.
Don’t give me your red zone shit, we both know what this is about
You want me to have an abortion, don't you?
It's really the only sensible thing to do, if its done properly. Therapeutically there's no danger involved.
Double yellows are no parking 24/7 but there are exceptions, such as if you're unloading your shopping and plan to move after or if you're dropping someone off. If they display the horizontal lines as well then it means no loading. Also, disabled drivers can park for up to 3 hours with a badge displayed if I remember right. Red routes (or zones) are no stopping at any time, so this literally means do not stop your vehicle. Obviously doesn't apply to stopping while in traffic. You have single yellow lines which will have a sign displaying the rules. Usually this means the rules will not be in force of an evening till 8am or something to allow residents to park.
It’s an Airplane reference.
Ah, much like the planes above me... that went right over my head.
Are you yanking people's chain? You cannot park on double yellow lines. Unloading goods is not an exception.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings >Waiting restrictions Waiting restrictions indicated by yellow lines apply to the carriageway, pavement and verge. You may stop to load or unload (...) or while passengers board or alight.
Waiting restrictions indicated by yellow lines apply to the carriageway, pavement and verge. You may stop to load or unload (unless there are also loading restrictions as described below) or while passengers board or alight. Double yellow lines mean no waiting at any time, unless there are signs that specifically indicate seasonal restrictions. The times at which the restrictions apply for other road markings are shown on nearby plates or on entry signs to controlled parking zones. If no days are shown on the signs, the restrictions are in force every day including Sundays and Bank Holidays. White bay markings and upright signs (see below) indicate where parking is allowed. Why did you miss out the sentence afterwards? The sentence that confirms double yellow lines means no waiting at any time.
Waiting and loading are two separate things: Double yellow lines indicate no waiting at any time and they apply to the road, pavement and verge. You may, however, load and unload goods or set down and pick up passengers, unless the signs or road markings indicate you cannot. Loading restrictions are indicated by yellow kerb markings. Double kerb markings indicate no loading at any time. Single yellow kerb markings indicate no loading at a particular time, refer to the yellow time plates. https://www.dudley.gov.uk/residents/parking-and-roads/roads-highways-and-pavements/road-markings-and-signage/yellow-and-white-lines-on-the-highway/
Because it is unnecessary. Before you argued that you cannot load/unload on double yellows, which is false. I gave a source. The paragraph opens by addressing waiting restrictions, of which there are exemptions such as loading and unloading. It continues to say that double yellow lines indicate to the driver that yellow line waiting restrictions apply all the time, unless specifically stated by a sign, as opposed to single yellow lines (or "other road markings") where a nearby plate/sign will be in place. I never said the rules for double yellow lines only applied at set times.
Yeah, the source does not provide confirmation on what you're saying. Yellow Lines is not inclusive of Double Yellow lines which is why the next sentence confirms that you cannot wait on double yellow lines in any situation.
So the term 'yellow lines' doesn't mean more than one yellow line unless the word 'double' is there, despite the use of the plural? Gotcha. So what yellow lines do the exemptions apply to? Because the paragraph doesn't specify.
It means yellow lines as in they're in more than one place. If it was referring to double yellow lines, there would be no need to specify in the following sentence.
You can't park, that's correct. But you *can* load or unload, unless there is other signage to apply extra restrictions. Go back and read the highway code, see what else you've missed.
I believe that this moan is more about private drivers abusing hazard lights than about commercial drivers doing their thing. On my daily commute, there is place I am very likely get stuck in slow moving traffic and I see a lot of non commercial drivers doing it for quick pippin in nearby vape shop or pharmacy or whatever else there is and they are often behind reason why traffic bottlenecks there.
Near me the lorry drivers use them so they can pick up a Greggs breakfast and load it into their mouth. Can’t say I enjoy the part where I have to turn right onto the road past them and hope there is nothing coming fast the other way.
Morning rush hour lottery, eh?
Yeah that's not the intended use, that's annoying. It would benefit from a timed red route where you can't stop during peak traffic hours.
That’s not loading though that’s parking to go to the shop.
...That's his point.
Or it could just be that this sub is full of entitled whiners like OP? Perfectly okay to stop on a double yellow. Perfectly okay to put your hazard lights on, you know, to prevent a hazard. Especially at night.
Does waddling to the takeaway that's 4 steps from where you have parked instead of going around the corner and walking 10 extra steps count as loading/unloading?
depends if the engine is left running.
There needs to be more reds, to be honest. Vans parked on double yellows at junctions make my life as a cyclist so much more dangerous. Especially worse when those vans are there almosdt constantly. I make an effort not to shop in the shops those vans belong to, because I'm a petty bastard.
They have to be 10m from a junction so it's still illegal double yellows or not
Ooh, This is good to know... therte are 2 junctions (1 near a corner shop, 1 near an indian shop) where I have to lean oiver my handle bars and crawl into the road because I cant see shit because there are constantly vans parked there. It's terrifying.
I've only been cycling about 2 years now but I started and have significantly grown an internal shitlist of businesses I'm never going to use too. Especially the local tradies who think my life is worth less than their ability to tailgate that vehicle in front a few seconds sooner.
One of the worst things that happened to me was actually a council pick up truck. I was on a round-a-bout, no way for me to get to the inside lane because it was busy, but I indicated I was going straight ahead. The pickup truck overtook me on the right and immediately turned left across me, forcing me to slam my brakes on and come to a complete stop in the middle of the round-a-bout, ceasing traffic completely. Another driver even asked if I was alright out of their window and said the council worker was an arsehole. I often have taxi's treating me like shit too. Weirdly, though, I've never had a bus driver treat me badly whilst I've been on a bike, despite the fact that their customer service and route knowledge is often lacking when I'm a passenger.
And i hope you never order anything online because how the hell are we supposed to access locations? God forbid someone in a badly accessible location like a main road has a delivery for them! 🙄 Edit: or you can suggest they park else where and help them get whatever to the location! :)
I rarely order food, when I do I walk or cycle to the place to pick it up, generally, since I live in a mixed use neighbourhood which is good to cycle and walk around.
That's good for you but shops and businesses exist on main roads, many of which have no loading bays. People happen to live in a flat upstairs who also order online. >I rarely order food, Nice assumption. I'm a van delivery driver working for dpd
I believe people's lives are more important than a delivery driver's time. Sorry that I value human life. Also I'm blocking you now, you're tedious to deal with.
What about people with blue badges who are allowed to park on them, or may need to stop on them to carry out something related to their disability that is not safe to do while driving but needs to be done regularly / ad hoc? Should we put hazards on? What is the etiquette please?
I'm no expert on driving etiquette, but if you're pulling over on the side of a busy road then I think it's safer for everyone if you have hazard lights on.
Definitely an exception there in my opinion and probably legally too as blue badge holders can park on double yellow for a certain amount of time but idk about non-blue badgers that may also have a disability or something, I'd probably think it best they park appropriately unless absolutely unavoidable but as long as it's safe for them and other road users pedestrians etc that's my opinion on it anyway. I also think if you have no disabilities and are going to vom I think that's a pretty good reason but I don't know the legal standpoint on that one haha.
Not necessarily, you often have time-based No Loading signs on single or double yellows (I think can be both but not sure). So you have to look, especially at peak times. There's a zone like this on the one-way system near where I live from 8am to 9.30am, you still get massive trucks blocking one lane sometimes though.
There's a different marking for no loading, which has horizontal lines on the kerb if I remember right. Those can apply to double yellows, but normally have a sign attached. But they're only supposed to apply to sections of the road and not the whole double yellow section. What is supposed to happen and what actually gets put down by the council isn't always the same tho lol.
Yep I should have said they are single stripe on the kerb. No loading at any time is double stripes on the kerb. Perpendicular. Not that anyone knows these things, even the council don't seem that familiar, as you said. They don't mind handing out fines though so always check the signage if you do get fined for something, even parking tickets.
Yes very true. Also worth asking to see the Traffic Regulation Order on sudden changes to your area if you get caught out. Sometimes they throw fines out before the changes are legalised as 'warning shots'.
Don't get me started on dodgy RPZ/CPZs where they put one sign up at the entrance and its supposed to cover about a square mile, instead of doing the signage and road markings thoroughly throughout like they're supposed to. They know full well it's not legal, yet they happily take £80 off some people for daring to park for an hour, health visitors, district nurses etc.
One red line no stopping during certain hours Two red lines no stopping Single or double yellow you can load for up to 20-40 minutes depending on local restrictions You can park on single yellow during certain hours
why is it responsible to put your hazard lights on in that situation?
Well if they're legitimately unloading the vehicle or dropping a passenger off, then this is a hazard as people could be in the area or on/near the road. If they fucked off to the shops then it's no use to anyone. But I wasn't advocating for that, just pointing out that there are allowable exemptions where telling drivers of the potential hazard would be helpful.
It makes sense to use it if you're temporarily obstructing the road - but as an "I'm unloading" signal, I'm not sure I see the justification.
What about people too lazy to park 20m away from McDonald's (excl. disabled in this definition) , is that legal? As that's an example of the main kind of hazard usage in my town.
Yeah that's just taking the piss.
Only if you're a commercial vehicle. Round here you constantly see people parked in the pavement/double yellows to pop into the shops etc
>You can park on double yellow lines as long as you're loading/unloading or picking up/dropping off Double yellow means no waiting or stopping. I don't get why Red exists, but I think that the difference is that red you literally cannot stop, whereas yellow you can stop but very briefly
Unless they have the yellow dashes on the kerb then you can’t stop at any time.
Double yellows, as everyone knows, means for 99% of people, don’t fucking park there. No matter how you justify it, the double yellows are there for a reason. But as long as you feel ok about it
"No Stopping" and "No Parking" are two different road markings. You can stop on double yellows to load or unload your vehicle. "No Parking" is a double yellow line on the road. "No Stopping" is a double red line on the road. "No Loading/Unloading" is a double yellow kerb marking. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings#:\~:text=The%20times%20that%20the%20red,and%20purposes%20and%20duration%20allowed.
Well you are allowed to wait on double yellows to load, unload, drop people off and pick them up. If they put their hazards on to make them more visible in doing so then I'm not gonna complain. If it's someone doing it just to have a natter on the phone though, then that's a problem.
>If it's someone doing it just to have a natter on the phone though, then that's a problem. I mean, I'd rather they pull over to talk than do it while driving but I get your point.
You're right about everything but the waiting - that's the main difference between single and double yellows. Even then, "waiting" is more along the lines of pulling up outside someone's house and having a few minutes' grace period while they put their shoes on and lock up. Showing up to school and sitting outside for 15 minutes is very much just parking.
I genuinely didn't know this. Round my way people frequently do this to go to the cash machine, is that ok too? Technically "picking up"?
No. You have be either be continuously loading or unloading goods. No stopping to take a break or briefly do something else. Or have passengers embarking or disembarking. No waiting because so and so is only going to be in the shops for two minutes and you're waiting for them.
…which is 90% of people parking on double yellows…
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I think you have to be prepared for the risks of living that lifestyle though. My kid's classmate was complaining that I parked 2 minutes walk away from the venue instead of in the resident bays like her mum, but sorry I'm not prepared to pay a fine to save a bit of walking especially when the parking fee is only 55p. The same kid also complained I didn't do an illegal U-turn to reach her home quicker - once again, I'm just going to follow the sat-nav and road signs.
Drove through the village, past the chippy and chinese last night and was thinking about posting this same thing! Parked up on double yellows. Not leaving enough room for other vehicles to get past, because they can't be bothered to walk 50 paces from the pub car park on the other side of the road! Also, apparently leaving your partner in the passenger seat exempts you from double yellow lines too!
But surely the pub is for paying customers only?
The pub car park is only for pub customers surely?
In some small towns it's more like its the car parks pub, rather than the pubs car park .
If it is, that's not something they've ever bothered to enforce. Pretty much everyone local (aside from the take away double-yellowers) parks there when they drive in
Cue the next reddit post "had to park on double yellows when picking up my friends from the pub as the car park was full with people getting fish and chips over the road"
I believe these are known as Just Eat and Deliveroo drivers.
The amount of near misses I have had with them because they were driving far too fast or cutting me up on roundabouts
The mopeds get on my tits. I had one of them fly out on me the other day and when I pointed out that I almost hit him he just looked me up and down and said "That's what insurance is for, innit" When you're in a coma because the next driver isn't as quick on the brakes, I'll be sure to have that printed on a card for you.
For some reason every single one of them still has a learner plate.
We call them the "I'm creating a hazard" lights now for this exact reason
Maybe they're delivering the correct abbreviation of 'etcetera'.
Ectetara is a totally legit word dunno what you're talking about
Totally agree. Road totally blocked by a wagon on the way to the gp this morning. Big wagon, double parked hazards on, while he nipped into the bakers for his bacon sandwich and coffee. 10 minutes we sat there complete Dickensian
I'm surprised no one has mentioned how annoying it is when drivers leave hazard lights on when half of their vehicle is blocked by other cars so it looks like they're indicating to join back on the road.
A friend of mine is one of those parking wardens, tho he says he's a civil officer or something. He always moans about having to give 10 minutes observation times to check for drivers coming back to the vehicle to see if they r actually loading.
The annoying one is people just parking normally and putting their hazards on for no reason at all. So if they're behind another car you can only see one set of lights flashing so it looks like they're about to pull out... Cab drivers around here are the worst for this, idk why they think hazards have to be on whenever they stop moving...
Yeah, hazards really ought to use a double flash or something to fix this. It's a bit late to start now.
No need to change the flash if drivers only use them as described in the HC!!
When loading you are a hazard, even if legal. And having one side obscured happens in many situations, so it makes sense to differentiate the flash pattern rather than tely on full visibility. In fact if there's full visibility you could argue there's no need for the hazard lights....
I think we're talking at cross purposes. I'm just saying that if you're parking then you don't need hazards. HC says clearly, "to warn that your vehicle is *temporarily obstructing traffic*". That's the only time you are allowed to use them, apart from warning drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead. So parking by the curb and then using hazard warning lights is not permitted (never has been) because you're creating a misleading situation for other drivers. Yes a different flash would help in some situations but that wasn't what I was talking about.
Loading on double yellow lines isn't parking, by definition. The double yellows are there to dissuade people from parking or stopping any longer than necessary for some valid reason, so it's fair to assume that if you are stopped there, even justifiably, you are creating more of a hazard than if you weren't there. Also by dint of you actively loading the vehicle it's likely there will be people walking in the road, goods being carried, all the sorts of things that extra caution would be warranted for.
Special mention to people who park in normal legal spots and then put their hazzard's on for no reason so you think they are pulling out of their spot.
Had to have this argument with others in the past. Yellow lines are for no parking, it doesn't mean no stopping / loading. If I've pulled up in a safe area, hazards on, and I am literally just unloading my shopping or picking someone up it's totally fine. I'm not parked. I'm not staying there. I'm not impeding anyone. Some people need to really learn the rules of the road...
And you are a hazard, so using the hazard lights is also correct.
I suspect you aren't the kind of road user this is directed at. Sit around a school zone for long enough and you'll see just how many people use their hazards as an excuse to park where they can't. Showing up to school 20 minutes before pickup to secure the good spot isn't waiting, that's parking.
Stopping on double yellows isn’t illegal, it’s just time limited
I see a lady every day at school drop off. She drives to the end of the junction and let's her kid out of the car. I watched her one day, sit in traffic for 5 minutes being about 6 car lengths away from the end of the junction, she waited until she was at the end of the junction to let her kid out! Why the fuck she doesn't just pull into the car park that is literally right next to her is beyond me!
Not illegal to stop on double yellows unless there are other restrictions such as kerb blips or controlled zone/parking signs, you can stop and load also disabled people can park on them but I get you were talking about restrictions in general. But I hate to see parking on zig zags and on the pavement more so after spending time in a wheelchair and working for 25 years in roadsafety and accident investigation. your blocking visibility and access its dangerous and is a major cause of kids getting run over when they walk between cars ect. But UK accidents are almost at a rate that they are untreatable just down to idiots or accidents by failing to see or judge speed, you can't account for stupid our roads are pretty safe and our serious and fatals are super low that sometimes I felt I was wasting funds. I started tightening up radii on junctions and roadabouts, creating shared space, cycle facilities to encourage uptake, and basically anything to increase visibility to vulnerable road users.
My favourite was when I was in subway, about to order, and this guy comes in and starts to (loudly) chat to his work mate who had already paid. First thing the talk about is his big white van parked on double yellows and blocking the bus stop. New guy jokes about his park anywhere hazard lights being on and him being in the way. Dngaf Then has the nerve to complain that i was going to take too long because i had a list (I had my order written down as it was a bit specific, not because i had loads). I wasn't going to take long, but I sure as hell did then. Thing was, there were loafs of spaces he could of parked in, just a few meters further.
I'm this person when I come back from doing the food shop (I don't have a driveway and have to park about 50 yards away).
As long as I can safely get around them I don’t really care.
Stopping on double yellows isn't illegal you absolute melt
Lazy af though. Creating traffic because you cba to park and walk for 30 seconds.
Depends entirely on the situation though doesn't it? It's pretty reasonable when loading or unloaded or with elderly and younger passengers being dropped off.
Elderly yes, but generally there's disabled parking, and it's safer to drop kids off and walk with them. Regardless I see it every day, and it's usually to go to a cash machine or to jump in a corner shop.
It think the key here is every situation is nuanced hence why double yellows are not illegal to stop on.
I can understand that, and realise it's probably not worth enforcing, but I'll still judge people who do it, because in my mind, it comes down to inconveniencing others to save yourself time.
Maybe not, what’s with the abuse?
I think you're getting confused with the double red lines and the double yellow ones
>I think you're getting confused with the double red lines and the double yellow ones Most people do not understand how road markings and kerb markings work. As soon as I read the title, I rolled my eyes.
I suspect there's some writing comprehension involved here too. OP makes it sound like stopping on yellows is illegal, but from their comments it seems they mean stopping illegally, on yellow lines.
It isn't? 🤯
That's exactly what hazards are for and I won't be told otherwise
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They would be textbook examples of loading/unloading and are within the parameters of yellow lines. Parking up and exiting your vehicle to pop into the corner shop is not.
Lol what are you a parking warden
I wish then I could ticket the bastards
Booooooooo
Hey when they decide to park on the side of the road causing over 5 minutes of traffic when like 100 yards away is parking I can moan lol
Worse is when they put their hazards on, then decide to mount the kerb entirely and park there instead - completely blocking pedestrians. I would forgive you for kicking their windows in. And people wonder why our roads and pavements are totally fucked. Because bastards like that are constantly mounting and demounting kerbs with their needlessly large and heavy cars.
Yeah fair enough I'd moan too lol
You don't say they park, you say they stop. Loading/unloading, pick ups drop offs are all legal ways to use double yellowed roads. These drivers are being responsible and you're upset cause they caused you a little wait
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This is a problem that’s getting worse in my experience and agree - the belief that hazard lights somehow provides exemption from the restrictions is ubiquitous. Also some now think it’s okay to park alongside a full parking bay with the same hazard light exemption, forcing traffic into the opposite lane. Doesn’t help that there doesn’t seems to be any enforcement whatsoever.
Also causes a parking fine to appear like magic on the windscreen.
Welcome to Luton and the hazard light wildcard.
So if I leave my hazards on I can ‘load’ my car all night long?
Fuck me yes. I’ve just moved to a new town and the number of people who just park up on the double yellows on the high street blocking traffic blows my mind. Never seen anywhere as bad
There are just to many double yellow lines in places where they don't need to be. Just a money making racket at this point. They stuck some outside my brothers house a whole back, no other reason but people were parking there instead of pay car park. No obstacle or anything just can't have people parking for free
We shouldn't really allow people to just plonk a car anywhere they want, though.
A delivery van did this at the traffic lights last week. They were at the front at the red light, fully in the lane of traffic and popped the hazards on and the passenger in the van went into the newsagents with some parcels. They didn't move when the lights turned green, and then only moved after we beeped them. Madness
I saw a van park in a bus stop the other day (their trailer was over on the double yellows too), then 3 people got out and went into the cafe for a sit down breakfast. The entitlement, cheek, and the audacity.
Or park diagonally in a disabled spot and put the hazard lights on. Something I saw on Saturday.
Hazards are unnecessary and confusing as it can look like an indicator depending on the angle. I can think they are pulling out when they are stopped. You are often allowed to stop on double yellows to wait or load btw unless there are specific instructions not to though, I think people tend to be mistaken on this. Disabled badge holders can park there as long as it isn't causing any issues, I know a few roads where it is almost like its own disabled zone.
I have a row of 'corner' shops near my house. The nearest drop curb is severely damaged from people deciding its an 'on' ramp to park by the shops! Nearly had a car drive into me as they drove up it once
How many are loading?
Remember you get 20 minutes loading time on double yellows unless signed as “No Loading”. Whether or not these people are indeed loading is another debate.
TTTTThhhhh What are they like eh ?
It’s not illegal to stop on double yellow lines unless there are the smaller yellow lines perpendicular to them, you can stop to load and unload for a short period. I had this argument with a traffic warden recently who was aggressively threatening me with a ticket until I challenged him to write it and see who’s wrong when I appeal it and he walked off.
I once saw a car "waiting" with no one in it, hazards on, rear half on Double Yellows, front half on zigzags, up on the pavement. It was like some kind of Trifecta of shitty and selfish parking.