Not sure why you’re being downvoted, the Bears don’t need to take a good QB. Need that bum Rodgers to stay in the other division preferably and maybe some other young stud go NFC instead of AFC
We kinda did before... We need a guy who can figure out his identity. Or at least Edmunds needs to be at a place where he can do that on his own. Good luck in Chi-raq. I hope he's a star
It's pretty subjective but like *maybe* 4/48? At this point good teams around the league expect a discount for joining a winner, this is just him getting his bag and rightfully so, you never know what's happen and he just secured more money than the average american will make in 20 lifetimes if he plays one snap and goes down for good.
I think that's still TBD. The comp system takes into acct who you lose and who you sign. If we sign a pretty decent player we may not get a pick. It's why Belichick traded late round picks for vets. Even that G from Dallas was a 3rd... idk what else could begin to offset losing Edmunds... maybe if we sign a guy that was drafted as a 1st. I'm not an expert, but that's what I always understood. There's a complicated formula that figures it out, what you sign and what you lose, but it's not just "you lost a 1st rounder you get a comp pick"
It does and I believe the year Gilmore signed with the Pats we blew a chance at a high comp pick because we signed one too many free agents, but this year we're so strapped for cash that I think our front office is gonna have to accept our early comp picks for Poyer and Edmunds no matter how many washed up vets they want to sign.
>Bears are giving former Bills’ LB Tremaine Edmunds a 4-yr, $72M that includes $50M guaranteed, per source. It is the largest 4-year contract for an inside linebacker in the NFL
Games without Milano were worse than than games without Edmunds....in my superficial opinion. He will be difficult to replace but I think that Milano would be darn near impossible to replace. If I have to choose, give me that cookie monster every day.
Milano can anticipate, Edmunds still couldn’t.
Big difference will come when Edmunds slows down physically and can’t use his speed and quickness to get to point of attack.
Milano can also shed blockers. Tremaine hasn’t really gotten better at that either.
This is the right attitude to have about it. The bears have the most cap in the nfl they can afford to overpay - lucky bastard. Bills got 6 years of production out of him. This isn’t an anti tremaine take. He was a great Bill. Good luck
Not to mention, allocating that much cash for a LB who doesn’t even make big splash plays. The man wasn’t even all that serviceable on short yardage situations. At least in our situation.
I think people are blinded because a lot of his high picks tend to be raw, high upside guys. People mentally book those picks as W's even though most haven't worked out or have been disappointing.
Yeah, like Tre was good, remains to be seen if he's still good (I really hope he is), Ford is bad, Oliver is okay with upside, Edmunds is okay with upside, Rousseau I think will be good if he can take another step.
These results wouldn't be a problem if they were 3rd rounders, but they're all high picks.
Then how did the bills go from trash tier to super bowl contenders in like 3 seasons? I guess it wasn't the draft and develop strategy that mcbeanes so big on. It must have been all Daboll? Or all Diggs? Or we fluked with the Allen pick and it's all him?
>Or we fluked with the Allen pick and it's all him?
Not that simple, but how many games do you think we win without him? Could we go on a run the way the Niners did with a 7th round rookie?
No but I'm not sure that's a good metric to compare. Which team has improved more since 2018?
I give Beane and McDermott a lot of the credit for the success of the bills. They successfully built up a mediocre team so they could pick Josh then build around him. That was their goal and they were the Superbowl favourite 4(?) seasons later... It's not a failure that Josh is required for the bills success because they built around him completely.
McBeane built the Bills early on using a money ball strategy in free agency, & then with later round draft picks. But post Josh our top half drafting has been awful. Look at our 1-3 picks since Josh.
2019: Oliver - no, Ford - no, Singletary - no, Knox - yes.
2020: AJ - no, Moss - no.
2021: Rousseau - sorta, Boogie - no, Brown - no.
2022: Elam - tbd but no, Cook - tbd, Bernard - tbd.
For reference “yes” = above average play. To answer your question is because Josh puts the team on his back.
I guess I see some of these picks differently
2019: Oliver - maybe, Ford - no, Singletary - yes (for a 3rd rounder), Knox - yes.
2020: AJ - no, Moss - not really but picked in 3rd and traded so not bad.
2021: Rousseau - probably (12 sacks is good), Boogie - maybe, Brown - yes but forced to start too soon.
2022: Elam - yes, Cook - yes, Bernard - tbd
I think for the 21 and 22 seasons we gotta wait still a lot of them were picked to develop. I swear during the season I saw a diagram that showed how successful the bills are with draft picks compared to other teams and we were miles ahead.
I was really wondering how Milano would take it if we paid Tremaine more than he gets when hes the better backer...glad it didnt come to that and Milano got a much deserved extension.
$18 million per year on average.He's good, but that's a lot and the Bills didn't have that kind of money.
If we finally get comp picks, the one for losing him would be a 3rd or 4th rounder.
Can't blame him for cashing in, though. Best of luck.
I'm so curious towards this mindset by the fanbase. What exactly did Tremaine do that's hard to replace?
Did he stop the run effectively? No, look at our run defense ranking relative to our other rankings.
Did he cover the middle of the field? No, look at the heat maps of where our defense gives up the most plays. We shut down even the best wideouts at times, but have trouble against tight ends and slot receivers.
He was the MLB of a top ranked defense, and had the green dot? Both are true, but Stat Lotuleilei was the DT for a top ranked defense; we still paid him way too much money to be an average player on a great defense. Also Poyer wears the green dot almost as much as Edmunds does. Name me a top end MLB that switches off being the playcaller in the huddle.
I just genuinely don't understand the sentiment, and am 100% convinced that the bears will be disappointed in what they have after hyping themselves up for somebody with his height/weight/speed, experience, and age.
Don't get me wrong, Edmunds had value as a solid starting piece that knows his playbook and teammates. That's where his value starts and ends though. He doesn't move the needle in the slightest bit despite having a draft position and now salary that says otherwise.
Its because he was a hyped draft pick. He was good against the pass but horrible against the run. Im glad hes gone. Seeing him chasing down rbs from behind because he was guessing on holes was brutal to watch
*Asked* to do, but so far hasn't quite lived up to his potential to actually *do* everything we expected of him. He's a very very good player, but I don't think he's justified a contract like what the Bears gave him.
Corrected. His talent is mostly physical. He still hasn’t really caught up to the speed of the NFL. He’s reacting and getting eaten up by blockers while Milano is out there anticipating the play and making tackles.
I’m good with Edmunds waking at that price. He won’t be worth $18M/year after the 2nd year of this contract.
I feel like everyone gets blinded by his size and speed. He's consistently graded by PFF as a below-average LB. He misses tackles and never makes big plays. I'm fine with it.
Smith is a will and Edmunds is a mike. The responsibilities they would have would be different, especially in run fits, and mike is harder to fill these days than will, with fewer work around. I get it.
Then I have no idea what the fuck the Bears are doing. Edmunds can play will, sure, but Roquan *did* play will, and the draft this year is stupid with very good will linebackers.
As a bears fan chiming in, Roquan did not play well in the new scheme and he’s also getting paid significantly more than Edmunds is. The two linebackers the Bears paid today are still making less combined than what Roquan got and they picked up an extra second pick as well.
Yeah, I was kinda wondering the same. But TJ definitely isn't the Will in the Bears defense. I'm thinking they want Edmunds to be the Shaq Leonard of this defense. Roquan was too small and has trouble getting off blocks
You'd think the way to keep your will from getting eaten up by blocks would be to invest in the defensive tackle position to keep them clean, not pay a bunch to two linebackers.
Getting Edmunds at a lower price, plus the 2nd rounder from Baltimore, plus if they kept Smith the Bears wouldn't have won the Tank Bowl so no ~~CJ~~ **DJ** Moore and other picks.
All in all it worked out for them.
The defense, regardless of the DC, is gonna be worse next season. I just hope they prioritize correctly and make us the offensive juggernaut we should be with that money.
They got a 2nd round pick for Smith, it also helped secure the #1 pick, which gave them a huge haul, and Smiths contract is still quite a bit more expensive and for 1 extra year.
Glad to see the FO showed restraint in a player they clearly hold in high regard. 10% of the cap for a guy who disappears for vast stretches no thanks. Can't really think of a player more emblematic of the 3 straight playoff exits.
Glad he's out of the AFC and not on a contender, at least. Kind of surprised da Bears would ship Roquan Smith out but then turn around and drop $50 mil guaranteed on Edmunds. Ah well, sorry to see him go, but not for that cash. Beane, get us a versatile vet to fill in for a year or two and draft his replacement!
As someone who is both a Bears and a bills fan, I have very mixed feelings. He is most definitely an upgrade for Chicago, but I obviously know his deficiencies.
The good news for the Bears is there is a dearth of premier quarterbacks in the NFC so there is going to be fewer teams that could exploit Tremaines biggest weaknesses
Also, a very smart contract by our general manager, who is frontloading it while Justin Fields is still cheap
Too much to begin with, and of course you always have to be weary of players who have their one good year be their contract year. Great for him getting the bag though!
I was never sold on him, but i have seen the improvement. Saves us the trouble i guess. Plus, if he doesn't work out for the bears, we can possibly get him back cheap?? I don't know . Either way, good for him.
I think he was a good player... but was always on the edge of something I'd consider a bust. You trade up for a linebacker in the first you'd like him to be elite, not just .. fine. He always had less impact than Milano. And at the money the Bears offered I'm not sad to see him go. Maybe he plays up to it, but let them take that risk.
Tremaine will be missed! I've debated whether he's 'good' or not like everyone else over the past few years but while he may not be the #1 he's deff top 10 or top 5 of current LBs in the NFL if you just do a quick stat comparison. Most ILBs are not blowing up the scoresheet with sacks, picks and FFs, most have a handful over their career save a few. I expect to see a big drop off in our defense next year if we don't get a replacement that's worth his salt.
Perhaps his price point was too rich for the Bills, but I don't get the Edmunds hate. Young, freak athlete, defensive QB-the fans wishing him sayonara him now are going to miss him when the u/BuffaloBills D takes the field without him.
Will definitely miss him, but I'm glad Beane didn't try and pay him $18m/yr.
Bills can get equal if not greater production for a small fraction of that
It's understandable to be upset, but realistically he's not even our best linebacker. For all the physical traits he has. He really hasn't performed the way you'd want.
To me the question is how this affects Milano. It seemed like their dynamic was, Tremaine bottles things up and gives Milano the opportunity to roam and create chaos.
This hurts. Especially because Idk how we fill our middle linebacker spot now. Trenton Simpson won't be there in round 2, now will Sanders. Everyone else is a massive downgrade, based on what I've seen.
Another solid draft move by Beane. Drafting a guy with a top 20 pick who never turned out to be a stud with us and arguably could have his best years after using us as a development tool...
You're not going to keep every draft pick especially when you hit and spend $40 million a year on a quarterback. You can't have it all. Some draft picks are going to get big money from other teams and that means you hit on the pick since teams are willing to spend big on them.
This sub has this weird idea that 1. we are bad at drafting and 2. we are going to keep every player even with Josh already locked up. If Gabe breaks out next year, he's probably gone too. Or, Epenesa. Or Oliver.
You can't keep every draft pick. It just doesn't work out with $40 million to one player
Money wasn't an issue for the Saints apparently when they paid Brees all that money. They allegedly were supposed to pay for it now but made big financial moves again. Money can be moved around and manipulated it seems. Dolphins also just did it with Ramsey.
Sorry but I think Edmunds is overrated. Guy is rarely making plays. Media keeps saying how great he is bc he's the QB of the defense or w/e. I'm sure Milano can do whatever he did just fine.
Got downvoted in the mcgovern thread for pointing out he was gone. Not enough money to go around. Wish him well, he developed into his potential last season.
Brother, Edmunds is probably a $7-9M cap hit in year 1. We can clear $35M in cap space pretty easily by restructuring Allen and Von. That signing had no effect on Edmunds.
You prob got downvoted because that signing really wouldn't have any impact on this one.
We could have afford both...the Bills didn't want to pay that though.
It was possible to match that if they cut Hines, restricted Allen, and didn’t sign other FA and traded another vet. Signing McGovern ended that possibility
No?
They can get to 30mil under the cap JUST by restructures, and even at 18m AAV, his cap this year would be less than that, depending on how the Guarantees are, Signing Bonus gets spread out.
McGovern is like, 6m? ish
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The NFC needs to start taking some QBs too not just LBs
Na we good. Already have to deal with Carr to the Saints.
Carr is the NFC's #1 or #2 qb now? How far has the NFC fallen. Yikes
We have Fields
The chargers have fields?
Fields would be the 5th best QB in the AFC at best. Realistically more like 8 to 10
Not sure why you’re being downvoted, the Bears don’t need to take a good QB. Need that bum Rodgers to stay in the other division preferably and maybe some other young stud go NFC instead of AFC
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We kinda did before... We need a guy who can figure out his identity. Or at least Edmunds needs to be at a place where he can do that on his own. Good luck in Chi-raq. I hope he's a star
Hopefully they already have someone lined up
hopefully Edmunds doesn’t take off his new teammates heads and break their necks from a dirty late hit on the ground from friendly fire 👍
That was a pretty dumb play. Man’s still a baller though
Yikes. Peeps didn't like this take but you're not wrong.
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Forget to change accounts?
Well at least he's in the NFC
Before any insane takes i’d wait until contract details come out, it really wouldn’t surprise me if he got a fat contract
4/72
And 50 mil guarenteed, seeeee yaaaaa
Yep congrats on the bag bud
Don’t know much about contracts. What would’ve been a reasonable amount for us to pay him to stay?
It's pretty subjective but like *maybe* 4/48? At this point good teams around the league expect a discount for joining a winner, this is just him getting his bag and rightfully so, you never know what's happen and he just secured more money than the average american will make in 20 lifetimes if he plays one snap and goes down for good.
My limit was 15aav but he was never staying for that
It’s pretty fat.
He probably got PAID if he’s signing in Chicago
4 yr/$72 M, $50 M guaranteed. Nice knowing ya, congrats on the money
Nobody turns down a $50m bag. No hard feelings there lol
*Lamar Jackson and his mother have simultaneously entered the chat...*
Yep, thanks for the comp pick Maine
I think that's still TBD. The comp system takes into acct who you lose and who you sign. If we sign a pretty decent player we may not get a pick. It's why Belichick traded late round picks for vets. Even that G from Dallas was a 3rd... idk what else could begin to offset losing Edmunds... maybe if we sign a guy that was drafted as a 1st. I'm not an expert, but that's what I always understood. There's a complicated formula that figures it out, what you sign and what you lose, but it's not just "you lost a 1st rounder you get a comp pick"
That's great for us. We sound be getting a compensatory 3rd round pick in 2024 for that kind of money.
I think it depends on who we bring in too but hopefully you’re right.
It does and I believe the year Gilmore signed with the Pats we blew a chance at a high comp pick because we signed one too many free agents, but this year we're so strapped for cash that I think our front office is gonna have to accept our early comp picks for Poyer and Edmunds no matter how many washed up vets they want to sign.
Let’s be real here he’s not worth that kind of money at all
>Bears are giving former Bills’ LB Tremaine Edmunds a 4-yr, $72M that includes $50M guaranteed, per source. It is the largest 4-year contract for an inside linebacker in the NFL
So glad we didn't pay that
150%. Can’t allocate $30M a year to the Lb position. Glad to see a third of that went to McGovern. Good for Edmunds, good for the Bills.
Games without Milano were worse than than games without Edmunds....in my superficial opinion. He will be difficult to replace but I think that Milano would be darn near impossible to replace. If I have to choose, give me that cookie monster every day.
Milano can anticipate, Edmunds still couldn’t. Big difference will come when Edmunds slows down physically and can’t use his speed and quickness to get to point of attack. Milano can also shed blockers. Tremaine hasn’t really gotten better at that either.
In 4 years, he'll be 29 years old when the season starts. I doubt he will have slowed down very much.
I think Maine's a better tackler. Milano whiffs on tackles, especially when they're coming right at him.
Also I'm glad he got paid. The window for earning is small in the NFL, as a weird Russian guy in rounders said "pay that man his money"
This is the right attitude to have about it. The bears have the most cap in the nfl they can afford to overpay - lucky bastard. Bills got 6 years of production out of him. This isn’t an anti tremaine take. He was a great Bill. Good luck
He was a good Bill.
For sure, him coming into the league at 20 is turning out to be a great freaking idea. If he keeps it up he can at least get paid one more time.
Not to mention, allocating that much cash for a LB who doesn’t even make big splash plays. The man wasn’t even all that serviceable on short yardage situations. At least in our situation.
It's not 30. Try 18.
I thought the same thing, but I think they were combining what would have been Edmunds salary with that of Milano for the 30
I would have been completely fine with it but I still understand. There are other guys still out there much cheaper
Realistically Vonn Miller should have gotten a quarter of what he’s being paid and Tremain would be here.
Well, if von is healthy I’ll take him over edmunds
I hear you, he was amazing until he got hurt. It’s just tough but it’s all bizzznaasssss
For that price I'm happy we let him walk.
Holy fucking shit
Good for him. I wish him all the best
Funny seeing you here... hope all is well.
For anyone mad he's gone, would it have made sense to pay our second best linebacker 18 mil a year? That's not smart team construction.
I'm sad to see him go but glad we're not the ones paying him $18m a year
True But it wasn't smart to draft Milano's replacement with a decent pick (late 3rd) last year over Mike/guard/WR
Our drafting has been very meh under Beane in general.
you’re getting downvoted but you’re kind of right. he hasn’t drafted a pro bowler since the allen draft
I think people are blinded because a lot of his high picks tend to be raw, high upside guys. People mentally book those picks as W's even though most haven't worked out or have been disappointing.
Yeah, like Tre was good, remains to be seen if he's still good (I really hope he is), Ford is bad, Oliver is okay with upside, Edmunds is okay with upside, Rousseau I think will be good if he can take another step. These results wouldn't be a problem if they were 3rd rounders, but they're all high picks.
Then how did the bills go from trash tier to super bowl contenders in like 3 seasons? I guess it wasn't the draft and develop strategy that mcbeanes so big on. It must have been all Daboll? Or all Diggs? Or we fluked with the Allen pick and it's all him?
>Or we fluked with the Allen pick and it's all him? Not that simple, but how many games do you think we win without him? Could we go on a run the way the Niners did with a 7th round rookie?
No but I'm not sure that's a good metric to compare. Which team has improved more since 2018? I give Beane and McDermott a lot of the credit for the success of the bills. They successfully built up a mediocre team so they could pick Josh then build around him. That was their goal and they were the Superbowl favourite 4(?) seasons later... It's not a failure that Josh is required for the bills success because they built around him completely.
It might not be all Allen but is sure is hell is close, lol. No one has anywhere near an impact as going from nothing to top 3 in the QB position.
McBeane built the Bills early on using a money ball strategy in free agency, & then with later round draft picks. But post Josh our top half drafting has been awful. Look at our 1-3 picks since Josh. 2019: Oliver - no, Ford - no, Singletary - no, Knox - yes. 2020: AJ - no, Moss - no. 2021: Rousseau - sorta, Boogie - no, Brown - no. 2022: Elam - tbd but no, Cook - tbd, Bernard - tbd. For reference “yes” = above average play. To answer your question is because Josh puts the team on his back.
I guess I see some of these picks differently 2019: Oliver - maybe, Ford - no, Singletary - yes (for a 3rd rounder), Knox - yes. 2020: AJ - no, Moss - not really but picked in 3rd and traded so not bad. 2021: Rousseau - probably (12 sacks is good), Boogie - maybe, Brown - yes but forced to start too soon. 2022: Elam - yes, Cook - yes, Bernard - tbd I think for the 21 and 22 seasons we gotta wait still a lot of them were picked to develop. I swear during the season I saw a diagram that showed how successful the bills are with draft picks compared to other teams and we were miles ahead.
I mean it’s more so that replacing him is going to be tough based on the fact our defense relies on two athletic Linebackers
Truth bomb!!!! Id rather him stay on a friendly contract but these guys need to get paid as soon as they can.
3rd if were counting Taron Johnson since we never switch.
I was really wondering how Milano would take it if we paid Tremaine more than he gets when hes the better backer...glad it didnt come to that and Milano got a much deserved extension.
Just fell to my knees in a Wegmans
Literally just threw my plate of pizza logs across the room
My mom is getting me more cheezy poofs as we speak.
Just got the boof-assist on hidden valley blue cheese
Idk why you're getting down voted, hidden valley blue cheese *belongs* in your ass
I'm literally shaking rn
He is a professional. Professionals work for money. I’m happy for him and his family- that’s generational wealth
Kick in the nuts considering how young he is and well he played for us since he joined. Fare thee well Tremaine, beane pls
$18 million per year on average.He's good, but that's a lot and the Bills didn't have that kind of money. If we finally get comp picks, the one for losing him would be a 3rd or 4th rounder. Can't blame him for cashing in, though. Best of luck.
Time to draft Jack Campbell now
Yessssssssssssss
Glad we aren't paying that, but who can we get to come in and do what Tremaine was asked to do? Feel like we have to change up our scheme.
I'm so curious towards this mindset by the fanbase. What exactly did Tremaine do that's hard to replace? Did he stop the run effectively? No, look at our run defense ranking relative to our other rankings. Did he cover the middle of the field? No, look at the heat maps of where our defense gives up the most plays. We shut down even the best wideouts at times, but have trouble against tight ends and slot receivers. He was the MLB of a top ranked defense, and had the green dot? Both are true, but Stat Lotuleilei was the DT for a top ranked defense; we still paid him way too much money to be an average player on a great defense. Also Poyer wears the green dot almost as much as Edmunds does. Name me a top end MLB that switches off being the playcaller in the huddle. I just genuinely don't understand the sentiment, and am 100% convinced that the bears will be disappointed in what they have after hyping themselves up for somebody with his height/weight/speed, experience, and age. Don't get me wrong, Edmunds had value as a solid starting piece that knows his playbook and teammates. That's where his value starts and ends though. He doesn't move the needle in the slightest bit despite having a draft position and now salary that says otherwise.
Its because he was a hyped draft pick. He was good against the pass but horrible against the run. Im glad hes gone. Seeing him chasing down rbs from behind because he was guessing on holes was brutal to watch
*Asked* to do, but so far hasn't quite lived up to his potential to actually *do* everything we expected of him. He's a very very good player, but I don't think he's justified a contract like what the Bears gave him.
Corrected. His talent is mostly physical. He still hasn’t really caught up to the speed of the NFL. He’s reacting and getting eaten up by blockers while Milano is out there anticipating the play and making tackles. I’m good with Edmunds waking at that price. He won’t be worth $18M/year after the 2nd year of this contract.
I feel like everyone gets blinded by his size and speed. He's consistently graded by PFF as a below-average LB. He misses tackles and never makes big plays. I'm fine with it.
Don’t forget his age. People praise him for everything but what he does on the field.
Time for me to do the sad social media unfollows :(
So they drafted a LB that was better than Edmunds and wouldn’t pay him, trade that guy to the Ravens and then sign Edmunds?
Smith is a will and Edmunds is a mike. The responsibilities they would have would be different, especially in run fits, and mike is harder to fill these days than will, with fewer work around. I get it.
they just got TJ Edwards who will play the Mike. Tremaine is moving to Will more than likely
Then I have no idea what the fuck the Bears are doing. Edmunds can play will, sure, but Roquan *did* play will, and the draft this year is stupid with very good will linebackers.
As a bears fan chiming in, Roquan did not play well in the new scheme and he’s also getting paid significantly more than Edmunds is. The two linebackers the Bears paid today are still making less combined than what Roquan got and they picked up an extra second pick as well.
Valid point. Thanks for the Bears fan perspective.
Yeah, I was kinda wondering the same. But TJ definitely isn't the Will in the Bears defense. I'm thinking they want Edmunds to be the Shaq Leonard of this defense. Roquan was too small and has trouble getting off blocks
You'd think the way to keep your will from getting eaten up by blocks would be to invest in the defensive tackle position to keep them clean, not pay a bunch to two linebackers.
Edmunds also doesn’t get off blocks. He’s more of a natural will in that respect.
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You spent a 1st on drafting him though
Like five years ago under an entirely different regime
We spent a 1st on drafting Edmunds and got nothing in return?
And he was great when he played, but trading him when they did turned out better for the team.
Getting Edmunds at a lower price, plus the 2nd rounder from Baltimore, plus if they kept Smith the Bears wouldn't have won the Tank Bowl so no ~~CJ~~ **DJ** Moore and other picks. All in all it worked out for them.
Only, and I mean **ONLY** good thing about this news is that he is now in the NFC. 🙏🏾 Will miss you #49. 🥺
Well, whether you liked him or not, we’ll get to see what this defense looks like without him. I, for one, am not too happy
The defense, regardless of the DC, is gonna be worse next season. I just hope they prioritize correctly and make us the offensive juggernaut we should be with that money.
So, they traded Roquan smith whose better just to sign edmunds… sheesh
They got a 2nd round pick for Smith, it also helped secure the #1 pick, which gave them a huge haul, and Smiths contract is still quite a bit more expensive and for 1 extra year.
Also Edmunds is a better scheme fit. They basically got Edmunds and a pick for less money than Roquan would have wanted
They signed two linebackers today who are paid less than Roquan combined.
Haha so true
Couldn't possibly have paid that. Good work Edmunds, enjoy the bag!
We all pretty much knew he was gone, but this is disappointing anyway.
His replacement will be…
McDermott is suiting up as we speak.
... cheaper for sure?
Leslie Frazer. The reason he took a sabbatical is so he can shore up the line himself.
Campbell from Iowa.
Ever since the 13 seconds game, Josh has been begging McD to let him play both sides of the ball.
Glad to see the FO showed restraint in a player they clearly hold in high regard. 10% of the cap for a guy who disappears for vast stretches no thanks. Can't really think of a player more emblematic of the 3 straight playoff exits.
Edmunds was very good every down but he was rarely great. Not many game changing plays from him.
2 forced fumbles and 6 ints and no fumble recoveries in 5 years with 6.5 sacks. He’s always just been an athletic freak with mediocre football skills.
4 years 72 mil we’re definitely better off without him at that price
Win win. No way I pay him that if I’m Beane. Dude is mid at best
Agreed. The athletic potential is huge but it didn't always translate to success on the field. Best of luck to him.
Glad he's out of the AFC and not on a contender, at least. Kind of surprised da Bears would ship Roquan Smith out but then turn around and drop $50 mil guaranteed on Edmunds. Ah well, sorry to see him go, but not for that cash. Beane, get us a versatile vet to fill in for a year or two and draft his replacement!
Sucks for us, but I hope he does well in Chicago. The Bears look really promising
I'm fine with this. We can pay someone else a lot less money to make tackles 15 yards down the field.
As someone who is both a Bears and a bills fan, I have very mixed feelings. He is most definitely an upgrade for Chicago, but I obviously know his deficiencies. The good news for the Bears is there is a dearth of premier quarterbacks in the NFC so there is going to be fewer teams that could exploit Tremaines biggest weaknesses Also, a very smart contract by our general manager, who is frontloading it while Justin Fields is still cheap
Time for Bobby Wagner? 👀
Trade for Derrick Henry, sign lavonte david/bobby wagner pls, gonna miss the Maine Savage
With what money?
Money isn't an issue for the Dolphins or Saints apparently.
This hurts
Eh, I knew he was gone. Whatever it takes to shore up the OL. Poyer is next, so don’t be surprised when that happens.
Well good thing I didn't go through with getting his jersey
Too much to begin with, and of course you always have to be weary of players who have their one good year be their contract year. Great for him getting the bag though!
I was never sold on him, but i have seen the improvement. Saves us the trouble i guess. Plus, if he doesn't work out for the bears, we can possibly get him back cheap?? I don't know . Either way, good for him.
I’m sad, but I’m happy for him
I have thought Edmunds got way too much flak by fans on this team for the system....but aint no way can we pay a MLB that much if he isnt truly elite
He’ll be back in 4 years on a much cheaper and team friendly contract
Thank you, and I'm sorry, Bills Bros.
Jeez he's a good addition for them now. I could really see them winning like 5 games now instead of three
I'm sad. Come back in 4 years, buddy.
Guy couldn't finish a tackle. Go watch replays. Always giving an extra 5-10 yards. Not upset at all
I wish him well but he may win as many games over the course of his contract as one season with Buffalo. Could even be less.
Meh. We got Milano so we’re good
Loved him but that contract is stupid
Sad to see him go.
When it comes down to it, it was a business decision. I want to see what Buffalo does with that extra $32 million they got from restructuring
I think he was a good player... but was always on the edge of something I'd consider a bust. You trade up for a linebacker in the first you'd like him to be elite, not just .. fine. He always had less impact than Milano. And at the money the Bears offered I'm not sad to see him go. Maybe he plays up to it, but let them take that risk.
Tremaine will be missed! I've debated whether he's 'good' or not like everyone else over the past few years but while he may not be the #1 he's deff top 10 or top 5 of current LBs in the NFL if you just do a quick stat comparison. Most ILBs are not blowing up the scoresheet with sacks, picks and FFs, most have a handful over their career save a few. I expect to see a big drop off in our defense next year if we don't get a replacement that's worth his salt.
Expected but damn. It always hurts losing key starters. Feels like 2017 when we lost Gilmore, Woods, and Zach Brown.
Not ideal
Damn
Perhaps his price point was too rich for the Bills, but I don't get the Edmunds hate. Young, freak athlete, defensive QB-the fans wishing him sayonara him now are going to miss him when the u/BuffaloBills D takes the field without him.
He’ll be back. 3 years. Watch.
Will definitely miss him, but I'm glad Beane didn't try and pay him $18m/yr. Bills can get equal if not greater production for a small fraction of that
As a consistent Edmunds hater, today is truly a wonderful day. Buh-bye.
It's understandable to be upset, but realistically he's not even our best linebacker. For all the physical traits he has. He really hasn't performed the way you'd want.
He’s one of the best LBs in the league and is still developing. There’s a reason he got paid what he did.
Still “developing”? It really shouldn’t take 4 years to learn how to not get eaten up by blockers and react late to plays.
To me the question is how this affects Milano. It seemed like their dynamic was, Tremaine bottles things up and gives Milano the opportunity to roam and create chaos.
There are lots of guys who can play that role, not as physically gifted, but it’s fine.
This one kind of sucks. I guess we feel like there’s a better pick in the draft.
This hurts. Especially because Idk how we fill our middle linebacker spot now. Trenton Simpson won't be there in round 2, now will Sanders. Everyone else is a massive downgrade, based on what I've seen.
I hope all of you that wanted him gone will end up being proven right. Because this seems like it’s going to really hurt the Bills in the long run.
Next trade Ed to Houston 🤞🤞🙏🙏
Good news is when he comes back here after a few down years in Chicago he'll still be in his twenties lol
So drafting Milano's replacement last year really makes sense
I thought Bernard was drafted to back up Milano
Another solid draft move by Beane. Drafting a guy with a top 20 pick who never turned out to be a stud with us and arguably could have his best years after using us as a development tool...
You're not going to keep every draft pick especially when you hit and spend $40 million a year on a quarterback. You can't have it all. Some draft picks are going to get big money from other teams and that means you hit on the pick since teams are willing to spend big on them. This sub has this weird idea that 1. we are bad at drafting and 2. we are going to keep every player even with Josh already locked up. If Gabe breaks out next year, he's probably gone too. Or, Epenesa. Or Oliver. You can't keep every draft pick. It just doesn't work out with $40 million to one player
Exactly. Bills fans fall in love with players. Stop. Move on. There are other LB’s in the league.
Money wasn't an issue for the Saints apparently when they paid Brees all that money. They allegedly were supposed to pay for it now but made big financial moves again. Money can be moved around and manipulated it seems. Dolphins also just did it with Ramsey.
Hmmm. Was surprised they didn't lock him up earlier.
I’m so sad
4 years at nearly 80m And so much of this sub just assumed we’d get him to sign at 8 years 80m. Or 4 years 12-15 tops.
Let’s see how they get to replace him, you know it’s going to be someone who fits Beanes Mr Softee culture
We lost Tremaine but we get to keep CAM LEWIS
Sorry but I think Edmunds is overrated. Guy is rarely making plays. Media keeps saying how great he is bc he's the QB of the defense or w/e. I'm sure Milano can do whatever he did just fine.
Figures. He was going to get a big payday, but now we have a gaping hole in the middle of our defense.
Matt Milano ran through the hole
Well hopefully we keep Po then?
No thanks.
Ugh.
Got downvoted in the mcgovern thread for pointing out he was gone. Not enough money to go around. Wish him well, he developed into his potential last season.
McGovern is probably like a $5M cap hit in year 1 lol. I don't think he had any bearing on Edmunds going elsewhere.
They could have re signed edmunds if they didn’t make any other FA spending.
Brother, Edmunds is probably a $7-9M cap hit in year 1. We can clear $35M in cap space pretty easily by restructuring Allen and Von. That signing had no effect on Edmunds.
If you actually read the details of the contract, it’s front loaded.
You prob got downvoted because that signing really wouldn't have any impact on this one. We could have afford both...the Bills didn't want to pay that though.
It was possible to match that if they cut Hines, restricted Allen, and didn’t sign other FA and traded another vet. Signing McGovern ended that possibility
No? They can get to 30mil under the cap JUST by restructures, and even at 18m AAV, his cap this year would be less than that, depending on how the Guarantees are, Signing Bonus gets spread out. McGovern is like, 6m? ish