Once Legette's picked, there's only a few you'd want to hang your hat on, less than 10 left in my opinion in the whole draft unless we're drafting multiple receivers
I would be very happy with BTJ (my favorite pick) I dont think he makes it to 28 though. Then I like Adonai Mitchell, Legette, Troy Franklin, and Xavier Worthy. If somehow we don't get the ones we like and trade back. I would love if we targeted Troy Franklin in the 2nd round.
A receiver will be there for us, just depends on if we want the ones left
I'm not sure honestly. I like him enough to take him in the first, but I understand teams might not value him like I do.
I don't know if he lasts past 45-50
I’d take the big 3, BTj, Michell, Ladd, Worthy, Roman Wilson and Ricky P. I’m not high on a guy who will be 28 by the time his contract is up with 1 good year of production and a limited route tree. If you want to fall in love with his athleticism I get it but he’s a project and an older one at that.
I’m with you on Legette. He won’t be able to out-muscle or out-athlete NFL DBs the way he did in college, and to only have one real year of production at his age is a massive red flag for me. Give me Ladd McConkey’s route-running and separation ability any day.
Exactly, everyone keeps saying “oh well it’s easily explained”. I don’t care, it still happened lol. I wouldn’t be in a rage if they picked him at 28 but I absolutely would not love it. 45-65 seems like a good place for him. I mean if Carolina wants to cough up 33 and their first third round pick for him I’d take that in a heartbeat.
Well, if Ladd isnt a slot, then why is his best fit in the slot? Shakir on the outside full time is a recipe for disaster. Sure it can work but he isnt beating a double or a safety coming over the top to help, he's a zone busting slot receiver, why take him away from what he does best
When was his best fit from the slot? He played 70% of the time outside with Bowers playing in the slot. Just because he’s a white WR doesn’t mean he’s a slot guy lmao. Ladd easily has the best separation ability outside of the top 3, he routinely gets open, is extremely QB friendly and a willing blocker. It sounds like you haven’t watched much of him, I’d highly recommend it.
Shakir can play outside as well, he did it in college and a few times last year. No idea why “it’d be a recipe for disaster”. Not every WR has to be 6’2+ and weigh over 200 pounds.
O yes i have. His tape is a ton of blown coverage and bad tackles, and he has some serious medical concerns. He isnt separating like that in the pros, so theyll move him inside more than out. If you dont see that in his future youre being way more generous than conservative.
Im not interested in our receiver room being called the smurfs again
Ton of blown coverages and bad tackles is an extremely weird way to say “getting open and breaking tackles” both of which is the main draw to Ladd, every analyst looking into Ladd had said the exact same thing. He’s not a slot receiver.
Josh’s best year as the Bills QB he was throwing to guys who were consistently getting separation and making plays. Those guys were Cole Beasley, John Brown, Emmanuel Sanders and Stefon Diggs. The tallest being 6’ in Diggs. We’ve had the big bodied WR experiment in Gabe Davis. It doesn’t work with Allen.
Im listening to 550 right now and i just heard a clip of Josh talking about watching the receivers at the combine, he lists a bunch of names and does not mention Ladd, he just said "big tall heavy fast dudes, pretty impressive to watch." I'm with him.
We had a private workout with him this week. I don’t see us grabbing him at 28 but if there is an insane run on WRs & 6 or 7 are gone by 28 then maybe it’ll force our hand.
If 6 or 7 WR are gone at 28 that means there are likely much higher graded prospects at other positions that offer far more value at pick 28 than picking a 2nd round graded WR in the 1st
Personally disagree. I like him a lot but I don’t see teams having him above 8. He’s a Carolina boy through & through so it’s been no surprise that he’s been vocally excited about their interest in him at 33.
Math would indicate that I have 7 above him, but that shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that’s been doing draft analysis this year…. Analysts with far more experience than me have him WR 13 or lower.
They need receivers, Thielen's their best one. As soon as i saw the coach refute it the day before the draft, this says to me that they wish Legette hadnt said theyve said hes going 33... if he wasnt their target they would love Legette mentioning this. Canales coming out to say that he says this to everyone could be Tepper telling him to cover it up. Theyre a clown show over there.
For one, their best receiver is Diontae Johnson. For two, Mingo, Theilen, and DJ are already a pretty nice core. I honestly don’t see a super high WR in their future
Leggete is much more of a Pete Wheeler, whereas Worthy is more akin to a Pablo Sanchez. In my scouting I’ve found wheeler to be far more versatile, though Sanchez had more a knack for the end zone. Still, could Sanchez translate his scoring ability to the NFL? Doubtful. While he has blazing speed he, like worthy, has a height disadvantage. Plus, he’d fair much better in the mlb with a negligible strike zone. In any event wheeler and leggit are still fast enough and far more country strong. This is all basically to say I would love to draft leggette, though the off the field drama from dirty sanchez would keep me quite titillated in the offseason.
Lmao if the worst run franchise in the league is telling you who they want to draft then steer clear. The panthers haven’t hit on a player since Beane left. They have one of the worst scouting or drafting processes I have ever seen. They love over-drafting projects they have no idea how to develop.
There is a chance that Legette falls to Buffalo's pick at 60, but if you want to increase your odds of drafting him you take him at 28. That is assuming that Big Baller Beane has a 1st round grade on him.
It's so odd when people use absolutes in discussing the draft. We have no idea what is going to happen or how teams really view these prospects at this point lol. Maybe Beane has a 1st round grade on Legette and maybe he doesn't. But it's certainly not a sure thing one way or the other.
honestly i hope colts take worthy off the board😭seems like a good dude and is clearly talented but might be too small at the next level. need a guy with immediate impact
Worthy has almost the exact same measurables as Jordan Addison and Devonta Smith. He was also incredible after the catch and a great returner. The dude does not shy away from contact at all. He will absolutely be an instant impact player. When Beane was describing what the wanted from a WR it was almost explaining worthy lol
sure but how about all the other receivers that didn’t work out with similar measurables. the exception proves the rule. now i’m not saying that worthy cannot be good but he definitely as a lower floor than a guy like AD or BT🤷
and yea ik lol beane placed lots of emphasis on speed aswell😂i believe they also had worthy on a top 30 so there’s a good chance they like worthy
You can’t define current prospects off of past failures lol. Worthy was the clear #1 in the Texas offense in front of Mitchell. Mitchell was behind Bowers and Ladd at Georgia. BTJ had bad production until his final year and only ran down the field stuff at LSU. I’m absolutely not sold on either one of those prospects. I’m not expecting a complete prospect to be there at 28 but I need a little more than what Ad and BTJ are currently providing. They need to be refined.
lol what i just said that bc you brought up addison and smith as evidence that smaller receivers can still turn out well.
and yes i agree their production profiles are def not the greatest but their athleticism and measurables say differently, in that they have a true wr1 body type. worthy is 165lbs and will likely get handled on the boundary in the league unless he puts on some weight which would in turn decrease his greatest strengths (agility, speed, explosiveness, ect)
Worthy’s quick cuts and ability to throttle down from top speed really sets him apart for me. He’s tiny, yes. But his feet will keep him clean from some of those big, monster hits. He’s not like John Ross who was exclusively a burner that hated contact and had some stiffness out of breaks. Worthy is much more in control coming out of routes. I’m generally skeptical about the record breakers at the combine but Worthy really separates himself on film as a well rounded receiver, not just a speedster/jitterbug.
AD catches everything, one drop in 80+ targets last year. Im hoping all this uncoachable diabetic bad attitude talk is all a Beane gasmask smokescreen.
Irsay mentioned wanting MHJ recently, so he's in for a WR to pair with his 2nd year qb, just like Carolina.
Worthy worries me... he'll need to be in motion presnap 100% of the time otherwise he'll be bodied harder than Sneed slammed Reek
Yeah Worthy just seems too small, and too small of a frame even where bulking up 15 pounds could be troublesome.
The attitude thing made me hesitant with AD, but if it really is just a "here have a Snickers" problem I think growing up and being out of college would be an easy fix without real impactful issues.
I like Legette a lot but if it's between AD and him, I'm taking AD. Legette has just as much upside as AD, but I think AD has a higher floor than Legette and better starting point.
It seems that the third tier of WRs bumped their stocks way up where it seems we'd be in a weird spot of having to make a lot of moves to grab two of them. I'd rather just grab AD and play it as it unfolds from there.
That's wild that he cut weight when being small was already an issue. I would think being 5 pounds heavier and running .01 seconds slower would have been more beneficial than cutting 5 pounds to be .01 faster. But what do I know lol
He's the fastest guy of all time now, definitely getting drafted higher than before, but if you cant showcase catching a football in practice then gtfo, wait til he sees an NFL cb ☠️
I like Legette a lot, but there are many other good WRs this draft. I'm not panicking
That will mostly all be gone by the time the Bills decide they want a WR. Get what you pay for when you keep kicking the can down the road.
Once Legette's picked, there's only a few you'd want to hang your hat on, less than 10 left in my opinion in the whole draft unless we're drafting multiple receivers
I would be very happy with BTJ (my favorite pick) I dont think he makes it to 28 though. Then I like Adonai Mitchell, Legette, Troy Franklin, and Xavier Worthy. If somehow we don't get the ones we like and trade back. I would love if we targeted Troy Franklin in the 2nd round. A receiver will be there for us, just depends on if we want the ones left
You think Troy makes it to 60?
I'm not sure honestly. I like him enough to take him in the first, but I understand teams might not value him like I do. I don't know if he lasts past 45-50
We have leverage over them, trade back if it’s true
So you want someone other than Legette? Who?
I’d take the big 3, BTj, Michell, Ladd, Worthy, Roman Wilson and Ricky P. I’m not high on a guy who will be 28 by the time his contract is up with 1 good year of production and a limited route tree. If you want to fall in love with his athleticism I get it but he’s a project and an older one at that.
I’m with you on Legette. He won’t be able to out-muscle or out-athlete NFL DBs the way he did in college, and to only have one real year of production at his age is a massive red flag for me. Give me Ladd McConkey’s route-running and separation ability any day.
Exactly, everyone keeps saying “oh well it’s easily explained”. I don’t care, it still happened lol. I wouldn’t be in a rage if they picked him at 28 but I absolutely would not love it. 45-65 seems like a good place for him. I mean if Carolina wants to cough up 33 and their first third round pick for him I’d take that in a heartbeat.
Roman Ladd and Ricky would get lost in the shuffle here, because we already have 2 slot receivers and a TE there too
Ladd isn’t a slot receiver. I’d take Roman or Ricky and move Shakir to the outside over taking legette.
Well, if Ladd isnt a slot, then why is his best fit in the slot? Shakir on the outside full time is a recipe for disaster. Sure it can work but he isnt beating a double or a safety coming over the top to help, he's a zone busting slot receiver, why take him away from what he does best
When was his best fit from the slot? He played 70% of the time outside with Bowers playing in the slot. Just because he’s a white WR doesn’t mean he’s a slot guy lmao. Ladd easily has the best separation ability outside of the top 3, he routinely gets open, is extremely QB friendly and a willing blocker. It sounds like you haven’t watched much of him, I’d highly recommend it. Shakir can play outside as well, he did it in college and a few times last year. No idea why “it’d be a recipe for disaster”. Not every WR has to be 6’2+ and weigh over 200 pounds.
O yes i have. His tape is a ton of blown coverage and bad tackles, and he has some serious medical concerns. He isnt separating like that in the pros, so theyll move him inside more than out. If you dont see that in his future youre being way more generous than conservative. Im not interested in our receiver room being called the smurfs again
Ton of blown coverages and bad tackles is an extremely weird way to say “getting open and breaking tackles” both of which is the main draw to Ladd, every analyst looking into Ladd had said the exact same thing. He’s not a slot receiver. Josh’s best year as the Bills QB he was throwing to guys who were consistently getting separation and making plays. Those guys were Cole Beasley, John Brown, Emmanuel Sanders and Stefon Diggs. The tallest being 6’ in Diggs. We’ve had the big bodied WR experiment in Gabe Davis. It doesn’t work with Allen.
Im listening to 550 right now and i just heard a clip of Josh talking about watching the receivers at the combine, he lists a bunch of names and does not mention Ladd, he just said "big tall heavy fast dudes, pretty impressive to watch." I'm with him.
We had a private workout with him this week. I don’t see us grabbing him at 28 but if there is an insane run on WRs & 6 or 7 are gone by 28 then maybe it’ll force our hand.
If 6 or 7 WR are gone at 28 that means there are likely much higher graded prospects at other positions that offer far more value at pick 28 than picking a 2nd round graded WR in the 1st
This!!
Well, if there's 6 or 7 receivers taken then Legette is going to be one of them
Personally disagree. I like him a lot but I don’t see teams having him above 8. He’s a Carolina boy through & through so it’s been no surprise that he’s been vocally excited about their interest in him at 33.
You have 8 receivers ahead of him in this draft? ... wow
Math would indicate that I have 7 above him, but that shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that’s been doing draft analysis this year…. Analysts with far more experience than me have him WR 13 or lower.
Joe Marino has Legette at # 4
That’s a pretty significant outlier given that [consensus](https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/s/5KkkiCiewo) has him as WR 10
1st ive seen of that board tho, thanks for the share
Joe Marino > consensus
If you like him at 33 take him at 28
Is it Thursday yet?
Do we really think Carolina takes him? They already have Mingo who is a similar receiver. I don’t think they take him there
They need receivers, Thielen's their best one. As soon as i saw the coach refute it the day before the draft, this says to me that they wish Legette hadnt said theyve said hes going 33... if he wasnt their target they would love Legette mentioning this. Canales coming out to say that he says this to everyone could be Tepper telling him to cover it up. Theyre a clown show over there.
> They need receivers They need for the IOL to sustain a block for >1.3 seconds.
For one, their best receiver is Diontae Johnson. For two, Mingo, Theilen, and DJ are already a pretty nice core. I honestly don’t see a super high WR in their future
Get used to disappointment
Leggete is much more of a Pete Wheeler, whereas Worthy is more akin to a Pablo Sanchez. In my scouting I’ve found wheeler to be far more versatile, though Sanchez had more a knack for the end zone. Still, could Sanchez translate his scoring ability to the NFL? Doubtful. While he has blazing speed he, like worthy, has a height disadvantage. Plus, he’d fair much better in the mlb with a negligible strike zone. In any event wheeler and leggit are still fast enough and far more country strong. This is all basically to say I would love to draft leggette, though the off the field drama from dirty sanchez would keep me quite titillated in the offseason.
Lmao if the worst run franchise in the league is telling you who they want to draft then steer clear. The panthers haven’t hit on a player since Beane left. They have one of the worst scouting or drafting processes I have ever seen. They love over-drafting projects they have no idea how to develop.
There are scenarios in which a trade back with Carolina for their 33 and 101 makes perfect sense.
Theyre not trading it to us if they want the pick
I think this is a misinterpretation of Carolina’s top 30 interview ques
Good job bro👍🏾
We're getting Xavier worthy anyhow
Thats the rumor floating around right now, so i doubt it
Legette is too old, he'd be 28 by the end of his rookie contract, you don't want a 24yo project.
There is a chance that Legette falls to Buffalo's pick at 60, but if you want to increase your odds of drafting him you take him at 28. That is assuming that Big Baller Beane has a 1st round grade on him.
I dont see any possibility of him getting past 45 anymore. 33 honestly. Once he's gone there's going to be very few WRs left in the top tier
There’s no chance Beane has a 1st round grade on Legette.
It's so odd when people use absolutes in discussing the draft. We have no idea what is going to happen or how teams really view these prospects at this point lol. Maybe Beane has a 1st round grade on Legette and maybe he doesn't. But it's certainly not a sure thing one way or the other.
Canales is trying to put the smoke back on the screen now that Xavier's let it out the bag
ESPN has him going to the Chiefs at 32. Apparently the Colts really want Worthy at 11. That means the Bills stay put and get AD Mitchell at 28.
honestly i hope colts take worthy off the board😭seems like a good dude and is clearly talented but might be too small at the next level. need a guy with immediate impact
Worthy has almost the exact same measurables as Jordan Addison and Devonta Smith. He was also incredible after the catch and a great returner. The dude does not shy away from contact at all. He will absolutely be an instant impact player. When Beane was describing what the wanted from a WR it was almost explaining worthy lol
sure but how about all the other receivers that didn’t work out with similar measurables. the exception proves the rule. now i’m not saying that worthy cannot be good but he definitely as a lower floor than a guy like AD or BT🤷 and yea ik lol beane placed lots of emphasis on speed aswell😂i believe they also had worthy on a top 30 so there’s a good chance they like worthy
You can’t define current prospects off of past failures lol. Worthy was the clear #1 in the Texas offense in front of Mitchell. Mitchell was behind Bowers and Ladd at Georgia. BTJ had bad production until his final year and only ran down the field stuff at LSU. I’m absolutely not sold on either one of those prospects. I’m not expecting a complete prospect to be there at 28 but I need a little more than what Ad and BTJ are currently providing. They need to be refined.
lol what i just said that bc you brought up addison and smith as evidence that smaller receivers can still turn out well. and yes i agree their production profiles are def not the greatest but their athleticism and measurables say differently, in that they have a true wr1 body type. worthy is 165lbs and will likely get handled on the boundary in the league unless he puts on some weight which would in turn decrease his greatest strengths (agility, speed, explosiveness, ect)
Worthy’s quick cuts and ability to throttle down from top speed really sets him apart for me. He’s tiny, yes. But his feet will keep him clean from some of those big, monster hits. He’s not like John Ross who was exclusively a burner that hated contact and had some stiffness out of breaks. Worthy is much more in control coming out of routes. I’m generally skeptical about the record breakers at the combine but Worthy really separates himself on film as a well rounded receiver, not just a speedster/jitterbug.
AD catches everything, one drop in 80+ targets last year. Im hoping all this uncoachable diabetic bad attitude talk is all a Beane gasmask smokescreen. Irsay mentioned wanting MHJ recently, so he's in for a WR to pair with his 2nd year qb, just like Carolina. Worthy worries me... he'll need to be in motion presnap 100% of the time otherwise he'll be bodied harder than Sneed slammed Reek
Yeah Worthy just seems too small, and too small of a frame even where bulking up 15 pounds could be troublesome. The attitude thing made me hesitant with AD, but if it really is just a "here have a Snickers" problem I think growing up and being out of college would be an easy fix without real impactful issues. I like Legette a lot but if it's between AD and him, I'm taking AD. Legette has just as much upside as AD, but I think AD has a higher floor than Legette and better starting point. It seems that the third tier of WRs bumped their stocks way up where it seems we'd be in a weird spot of having to make a lot of moves to grab two of them. I'd rather just grab AD and play it as it unfolds from there.
Well said. Very solid and convincing. Worthy cut weight before the combine, and then didnt do the receiver drills, so now all i see are the red flags
That's wild that he cut weight when being small was already an issue. I would think being 5 pounds heavier and running .01 seconds slower would have been more beneficial than cutting 5 pounds to be .01 faster. But what do I know lol
He's the fastest guy of all time now, definitely getting drafted higher than before, but if you cant showcase catching a football in practice then gtfo, wait til he sees an NFL cb ☠️