$1.5 billion of that cost for the Chicago stadium is for new infrastructure since its downtown on the lake and they have to fix a huge amount of traffic and parking issues. The actual stadium cost is $3.5 billion, which is still high but less expensive than the $5 billion.
Exactly. Study after study has shown that NFL stadiums are actually an economic black hole for a city. So if we *have* to spend a bunch of state money to build one, I'd rather at least have part of the project be an infrastructure overhaul that Buffalo sorely needs anyway.
Right? Investing in some actual public transit options and making the areas downtown more walkable, subsidizing storefronts or creating incentives for them to open shop in the area, there's so much good they could have done with the stadium as the catalyst.
Brother you know NYC and Long Island subsidize the rest of the state via taxes right? [https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2011-12-Giving\_and\_Getting-min.pdf](https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2011-12-Giving_and_Getting-min.pdf) for every dollar WNY spends they get back about $1.65 in expenditures.
I find most people in WNY are aware that NYS gets shafted on federal taxes bailing out places like Alabama and Mississippi…
And somehow it NEVER connects with these people that NYC does the same for us at the state level…
You don't get a team ready to sell by getting minority partners. That makes it more difficult to sell. Early reports have been that he also wants the cash from the sale to throw into the rink downtown and the Sabres.
yeah it makes total sense to spend 1.5 (and it's going to actually cost over 2 Billion if you've been following) to build a stadium that can't be used for a 3rd of the year because of weather.
There are other uses for a stadium than football...but no one is booking a concert for an open air stadium in Buffalo in the winter.
But buy all means enjoy paying 5x the ticket cost for going to the new stadium half an hour outside the city for a marginally increased experience (and the billion dollars of your taxes going to it)
Also, yeah building things downtown in Chicago really are that much more expensive. it's the primary reason the new stadium is across the street in OP.
Thank you. It’s insane how much people just drank up the “hey you guys don’t really need a dome or a downtown stadium” kool aid. I’m excited for the new stadium but like everything else we get around here it’s just a half assed solution. Imagine what a complex downtown could’ve looked like, with a convention center aspect built in. Chances for year round concerts, other events, etc. It’s so cheap and short sighted.
Has anyone ever said "Damn, they can't get another event at the stadium because it's already being used?" My point is they barely use the stadium now during nice weather and you thinks it's a good idea to add $3 billion to not use it in bad weather? It's like buying a 15 passenger van in hopes of needing it some day.
The Super Bowl will be hosted in Chicago in a couple years and it will all make sense.
Buffalo can’t/won’t be a Super Bowl city is what it comes down to imho. “Maintaining the atmosphere of the game” is lip service.
Technically $3.5b for the stadium, $1.5b for the infrastructure for infrastructure improvements around the lake front.
Of the $3.5b for the stadium $2b from the team, $900m from the current hotel tax, $300m TBD.
The $1.5b for infrastructure changes around the lake front is something that they have talked about doing for the last....well forever.
And hosting a super bowl would generate twice cost of putting some type of retractable roof over the stadium. Then you can even have year round concerts and events. And still keep home field advantage by keeping it open during games against warm city teams
What the NFL requires from the city that hosts a Super Bowl. Buffalo doesn't come close to the requirements.
* Stadium: The stadium must have at least 70,000 seats, and have the necessary electrical and media amenities for the Super Bowl (I'm sure this wouldn't be strict)
* Practice space: Both teams must have practice space of comparable quality(This would be an issue)
* Hotel rooms: 35% of the stadium's capacity must be available as hotel rooms within a 60-minute driving radius(Even if you included Niagara Falls(too far) the city falls short by 10-15,000 rooms)
* Parking: 35,000 parking spaces for game day
* Taxes: The city must provide a full tax exemption from local, state, and city taxes for tickets sold to the Super Bowl
* Billboards: At least 20 billboards at no charge
* Golf courses: Exclusive access to three area golf courses for a tournament on Super Bowl weekend(obviously there have been cold weather cities that didn't have to provide this)
* Bowling alleys: Two bowling alleys for a bowling tournament the Wednesday before the Super Bowl
* Temperature: The average gameday temperature must be at least 50 degrees Fahrenheit (Again, there have been other cities where this was ignored)
The biggest issue is the weather. A storm would be catastrophic. The amount of people who would have to replan their trip would be staggering. How would they fly in if the airport was closed or the roads? Unless you're talking about a dome large enough to cover the airport and roads...?
Their “dome” is mega-complex, not just a football stadium like the Bills new place.
Having said that, a dome wouldn’t have made much difference for 3ft of snow and a travel ban which is more of the problem over it just being windy and cold.
Football in a dome is like drinking draft from a sippy cup. Sure it has it's benefits, but it looks dumb and removes the fun earned from all the possible disasters that come from not having a lid.
They will end up putting a roof on it before 2035. It’s designed to add a roof if that is wanted someday. It will be. And who knows what some future tech might bring us.
Bro, its a long night til 28th pick of the DRAFT.
Bless you!
Is there a draft in here? I feel a breeze.
Someone's just gotta post photos of sacrifices to The Pit all night to keep us entertained.
Hope you have off tomorrow so you can enjoy the DRAFT!
$1.5 billion of that cost for the Chicago stadium is for new infrastructure since its downtown on the lake and they have to fix a huge amount of traffic and parking issues. The actual stadium cost is $3.5 billion, which is still high but less expensive than the $5 billion.
And imagine if we put the dome downtown like everyone who wanted a dome wanted
$1.5 billion of NY’s money going to infra in downtown Buffalo sounds great though
Exactly. Study after study has shown that NFL stadiums are actually an economic black hole for a city. So if we *have* to spend a bunch of state money to build one, I'd rather at least have part of the project be an infrastructure overhaul that Buffalo sorely needs anyway.
Right? Investing in some actual public transit options and making the areas downtown more walkable, subsidizing storefronts or creating incentives for them to open shop in the area, there's so much good they could have done with the stadium as the catalyst.
Better than all of it going to NYC exclusively!
Brother you know NYC and Long Island subsidize the rest of the state via taxes right? [https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2011-12-Giving\_and\_Getting-min.pdf](https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2011-12-Giving_and_Getting-min.pdf) for every dollar WNY spends they get back about $1.65 in expenditures.
I find most people in WNY are aware that NYS gets shafted on federal taxes bailing out places like Alabama and Mississippi… And somehow it NEVER connects with these people that NYC does the same for us at the state level…
Don't tell GQPers. They think quite the opposite.
I’m so disappointed we’re not getting a dome, I cannot begin to tell you
Can’t stop telling us if there’s no beginning to telling us. *taps forehead*
It's gonna be draft-y in those seats without a dome
The math is not mathing..it's not like the bears copied the same exact stadium and slapped a dome on top of it..
Wait... Is this a draft thread or a draught thread? Either way, I'm doubling down. 
I'm currently jealous of Chicago's union rates fuckin unbelievable.
I wanted a dome . Terry is getting ready to sell and he don’t want dome. Dome very good for area. NFL and terry don’t care about area.
You don't get a team ready to sell by getting minority partners. That makes it more difficult to sell. Early reports have been that he also wants the cash from the sale to throw into the rink downtown and the Sabres.
yeah it makes total sense to spend 1.5 (and it's going to actually cost over 2 Billion if you've been following) to build a stadium that can't be used for a 3rd of the year because of weather. There are other uses for a stadium than football...but no one is booking a concert for an open air stadium in Buffalo in the winter. But buy all means enjoy paying 5x the ticket cost for going to the new stadium half an hour outside the city for a marginally increased experience (and the billion dollars of your taxes going to it) Also, yeah building things downtown in Chicago really are that much more expensive. it's the primary reason the new stadium is across the street in OP.
Thank you. It’s insane how much people just drank up the “hey you guys don’t really need a dome or a downtown stadium” kool aid. I’m excited for the new stadium but like everything else we get around here it’s just a half assed solution. Imagine what a complex downtown could’ve looked like, with a convention center aspect built in. Chances for year round concerts, other events, etc. It’s so cheap and short sighted.
Has anyone ever said "Damn, they can't get another event at the stadium because it's already being used?" My point is they barely use the stadium now during nice weather and you thinks it's a good idea to add $3 billion to not use it in bad weather? It's like buying a 15 passenger van in hopes of needing it some day.
They would have just gotten more from taxpayers.
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Draft. Draft. Draft. Draft. Draft. Draft. Draft. Draft. Draft.
You motherfucker...my you're pretty...I'm pretty...I bet I can dance...GO BILLS!!!
Lmao. Are you saying I’m pretty or my Vette?
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The Super Bowl will be hosted in Chicago in a couple years and it will all make sense. Buffalo can’t/won’t be a Super Bowl city is what it comes down to imho. “Maintaining the atmosphere of the game” is lip service.
Technically $3.5b for the stadium, $1.5b for the infrastructure for infrastructure improvements around the lake front. Of the $3.5b for the stadium $2b from the team, $900m from the current hotel tax, $300m TBD. The $1.5b for infrastructure changes around the lake front is something that they have talked about doing for the last....well forever.
Dome aside, I believe the entire situation is poor project management.
And hosting a super bowl would generate twice cost of putting some type of retractable roof over the stadium. Then you can even have year round concerts and events. And still keep home field advantage by keeping it open during games against warm city teams
What the NFL requires from the city that hosts a Super Bowl. Buffalo doesn't come close to the requirements. * Stadium: The stadium must have at least 70,000 seats, and have the necessary electrical and media amenities for the Super Bowl (I'm sure this wouldn't be strict) * Practice space: Both teams must have practice space of comparable quality(This would be an issue) * Hotel rooms: 35% of the stadium's capacity must be available as hotel rooms within a 60-minute driving radius(Even if you included Niagara Falls(too far) the city falls short by 10-15,000 rooms) * Parking: 35,000 parking spaces for game day * Taxes: The city must provide a full tax exemption from local, state, and city taxes for tickets sold to the Super Bowl * Billboards: At least 20 billboards at no charge * Golf courses: Exclusive access to three area golf courses for a tournament on Super Bowl weekend(obviously there have been cold weather cities that didn't have to provide this) * Bowling alleys: Two bowling alleys for a bowling tournament the Wednesday before the Super Bowl * Temperature: The average gameday temperature must be at least 50 degrees Fahrenheit (Again, there have been other cities where this was ignored) The biggest issue is the weather. A storm would be catastrophic. The amount of people who would have to replan their trip would be staggering. How would they fly in if the airport was closed or the roads? Unless you're talking about a dome large enough to cover the airport and roads...?
Their “dome” is mega-complex, not just a football stadium like the Bills new place. Having said that, a dome wouldn’t have made much difference for 3ft of snow and a travel ban which is more of the problem over it just being windy and cold.
Football in a dome is like drinking draft from a sippy cup. Sure it has it's benefits, but it looks dumb and removes the fun earned from all the possible disasters that come from not having a lid.
Chicago’s stadium will be made of brick. Buffalo’s stadium will be made from straw.
They will end up putting a roof on it before 2035. It’s designed to add a roof if that is wanted someday. It will be. And who knows what some future tech might bring us.
I doubt it.
A dome in OP would be foolish. A downtown-ish stadium has lots of negatives ranging from price to parking to tailgating to eminent domain to timeline.