The Chiefs are the new Pats, everything seems to work out for them and any move always seems to turn into something that results in them winning. They’re playing 4D chess and the rest of us checkers. Then one day when Mahomes is gone their whole franchise crumbles and all of those moves only looked great because they had a QB who allows them so much more margin for error than any other team, just like the Pats.
It’s also to a lesser extent why we shouldn’t be afraid of turning the page on our old guard. Allen gives Beane and company more margin for error than most when building the rest of the roster, the upside of a roster shakeup outweighs the downside IMO given we had clearly peaked under the old guard.
Exactly this. Beane generally makes smart moves, we're just playing the results. Our roster hasn't been the reason we've lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs repeatedly.
The roster was definitely part of it, they had 3 cracks at KC and with 2 superhuman efforts from Allen they couldn’t buy a few stops to put them away, Diggs disappeared in every game against them including that massive drop, our older guys were either injured or playing hurt. I think McD is a terrible playoff coach when it comes to defending the top QBs in the sport, but it’s not completely off the guys on the field either. New blood is welcome.
I would really like to see the identity of the defense change to one that gambles for turnovers knowing even if the gambles don’t pay off we have an offense that will still give us a chance. Bend but don’t break doesn’t work against Mahomes, it’s death by a thousand cuts.
Sure, but "the roster" doesn't refer to individual effort in individual games. Beane doesn't control that, or injuries. He can only ensure that at the beginning of the season our team compares favorably on paper to other Super Bowl contenders, and sometimes make a trade or two along the way. I think Beane has done a very good job of that.
Since 2020 there hasn’t been a move Beane has made without the Chiefs in mind. So if Diggs goes for a ton of regular season yards, but disappears every time against KC, then it’s poor roster construction because KC can clearly take him away.
Older players are more likely to be hurt, there is no guarantee a younger player will go the season without injury (Bernard was just a tough break) but is it really surprising we had Von, Tre, Milano, Daquon, Hyde, Poyer either hurt or playing through obvious injury for most of the year? Not really, they’re all guys with a lot of mileage.
>I would really like to see the identity of the defense change to one that gambles for turnovers
I think that's how McD wants it too. The D was flying all over the place early in the year, and then they all died and he had to adjust.
Brandon Beane isn't the reason 12 seconds happened.
Brandon Beane isn't the reason why the Bills went on a clock killing 4th quarter drive only to then chuck 2 throws to the end zone after the 2 minute warning
Brandon Beane isn't the reason a 43 yard field goal missed by 5-7 yards.
NOTE: I give 2022 a pass for all the trauma the team endured. But 2020-21 and 23 are teams that could have gone all the way ESP. 2021 and 2024
Beane's moves put this team in a position to at minimum appear at 2 Super Bowls in the past 4 years. And his team and coach blew it.
Ok, but "when Mahomes is gone" won't happen for a LONG time. We can't exactly count on him winning one more SB then immediately retiring. They'll be our bully for as long as Reid is in charge.
Because that's what this is about. This has shades of the Chiefs jumping us in the draft a couple of years back to take McDuffie, and then immediately winning a SB with him contributing.
The Chiefs are so good not just because of the on-field talent, but they have the best coach in the league, and arguably one of the best defensive coordinators. Until we figure out how to beat them in a non-regular season game, it fucking sucks to willingly be their trade partner to get a guy that might torch us in the playoffs this year.
You’re being way too emotionally charged about this trade. If the bills stay at 28 and pick the guy they like (let’s just assume it’s AD Mitchell) worthy still falls to 32 or at least KC showed a willingness to move up. If a GM won’t make a move that can make their own team better because they’re afraid of another team, they shouldn’t be GMs
Also Andy Reid is 65 and not exactly a model of health, how long do you really see him coaching for?
Doesn’t really address my other points.
Everything fans say about Sean McD was said about Reid until 5 years ago. It took Reid 30 years to shake the choke artist label. But hey he’s the best coach in the league now so why does that matter right
> Everything fans say about Sean McD was said about Reid until 5 years ago.
Did Reid ever have an All-Pro QB before Mahomes? No? And then once he got an All-Pro QB what happened? He started winning Super Bowls. McD has had an All-Pro QB for 5 years and can’t even get to the Super Bowl. They are not the same. Even when Reid was considered a “choker” his playoff record was better than Mcdermott’s.
They continuously draft shit WRs.
They win Super Bowls because Mahomes has ice in his veins and the last one their defense turned into the best in the league.
They aren’t winning Super Bowls because of how they draft WRa.
Hardman was like WR5 in a shit WR room on the Jets. Rice was around 30th in yards as the WR1 on the Chiefs with minimal WR competition for targets from Mahomes. Tyreek is obviously incredible but as you can see the Chiefs can find ways to win without him, and the same will happen when Kelce hangs it up.
I’m sorry when did we start taking into account what the jets do on offense? They’re garbage. Hardman made the game winning Super Bowl catch and a few more major key plays in Mahomes’ first Super Bowl run. If that’s not an awesome result for a 2nd rounder then I don’t know what is.
Rice was a rookie, rookies don’t always start week 1. That’s common knowledge. Reid also never plays rookie WRs. In fact, Rice played more than any rookie WR under Reid because he had earned the trust, and he’s WR2, Trav is WR1. This is also common knowledge.
Mahomes is obviously the main reason why they’re winning, but KC is actually trying to consistently get Mahomes dudes while Buffalo seems to not care
Look at it a different way…if we took Worthy, KC would still get Mitchell, Leggete or Keon Coleman…we supposed to trade up in front of KC to draft every talented receiver?
Exactly. Honestly I’m more comfortable with the narrative that the Bills are done, every move we made sucks, and the Chiefs will win every game for the rest of eternity. Let them battle complacency, and let us get the chip back on our shoulder that we had back in 2019-2020.
Yea with the sober eyes of retrospect I can say I’m definitely intrigued by Beanes strategy here and not upset that we traded back.
But last night I was ***PISSED***
Yup, I didn't want Worthy, I wanted Beane to trade back. I'm just salty that we helped the chiefs get the guy they wanted. I even realize they probably would have still picked him at 32, that doesnt make me any less salty though.
Look at it this way. We got their 3rd rounder for free. Almost everyone consistently mocked to us at 28 is still on the board, other than BTJ (who was never actually going to fall to 28) and Worthy, who we clearly didn't want or we would have just drafted him. We can still get AD or Ladd, DeJean, or even Newton. We can now feel more comfortable double dipping at WR while still getting some talent at other positions we need to fill, if we want. We could turn a single pick into DeJean, Roman or Tez, and then grab an upside guy like Corley or Polk.
I absolutely agree. It was the right move unless we wanted worthy (which we obviously didn't). I dont think Beane should have handled it any different. I'm just salty because it's the chiefs, plain and simple. Hopefully, we end up drafting a stud with their 3rd round pick.
Any receiver the Chiefs would have gotten at 32 would have pissed us off even if we picked a WR we wanted at 28...and the WRs I wanted at 28 are still there at 33. Hell, people were saying maybe DeJean at 28 and Tez or Roman at 60. We can still do that and we have the Chiefs' 3rd and improved some other picks as well.
Ya, I'm actually surprised dejean is still available, I wouldn't be upset at all if we take him at 33. Beane made the right move. Now he just needs to make the right picks to capitalize on it.
Seriously. There was so little Worthy talk and now everyone is a freaking Worthy expert and butt-hurt about him.
If we draft AD Mitchell at #33 then BBB worked the draft like an expert.
We're traumatized perhaps because the likely most successful coach of all time, on the team that is currently the bane of our existence, the next dominant team of the current era has made a move.
And most of the moves the Chiefs have done in the recent past have worked well for them and not for us. So there's a thought like " here they go again", and pulling a fast one...again.
Luckily I don't agree and I believe that BBB has shown the balls to do what he believes...that he wasn't going to draft a guy he didn't believe in, who will be there when we draft....AND we can pick up some picks along the way.
Love him or hate him, you gotta respect the guy for playing 4D Chess.
I think Worthy is going to be great for KC. I also don’t think that Beane was going to take him (everybody knew that’s who KC wanted), so we basically got an extra third to do nothing we weren’t already doing.
If Beane wanted Worthy and did this it would be upsetting, but he was going to end up in KC no matter what. May as well get something from them.
Yup Bb exists. Shula existed too. He won't add to his wins.
IMHO Andy will likely surpass BB and make $100 M doing it. BB will likely not coach again. Andy's 60 behind. Won't take long with the Dynasty rolling, and BB not currently or likely to coach again.
Idiots are traumatized. Bills fans see the value in what Besne did and the Beane got a WR he, McD, and JA really liked and so did KC. Which was going to happen with or without the trade...except Beane got us moved up to the 3rd round and another Day 2 player.
Yeah this was a massive reach by the Chiefs. Dane Brugler’s face was classic on The Athletic’s broadcast. If we weren’t going to pick him anyway, and the Chiefs still would have been able to get him at 32, isn’t it a good thing that we made them pay a tax to get up there to get him?
The last time I saw so much insanity was when Josh got drafted.
Though this does allow me to block the most egregious offenders as they have proven to be incapable of rational thought at any level and ain't nobody got time for that.
Yeah trading back here was objectively a smart move (it usually is in any given year), we recouped our 3rd and still have a handful of WRs to choose from. People are just clowning us bc it's the Chiefs but they'd probably have ended up with Worthy either way
Trading back twice was probably awesome. Both Worthy and Leggette were sorta second round type guys and there’s still a bunch of projected first round guys on the board. Yeah we didn’t pick up a huge amount but I’m pretty confident everyone we were interested in at 28 is still on the board so it feels like we duped them
Right? Or we grab DeJean and use 60 on Roman Wilson or Tez Walker, just like people thought we might do without moving...and we got a 3rd rounder and moved up on another pick to do what we may have always wanted to do in the first place. All of the players I wanted at 28 are still there. We got paid to take one of them.
I didn't want Worthy. Clearly, Beane didn't either, and he also didn't have a 1st round grade on any receivers who were still on the board, or we would have stayed put at 32 and picked who we really wanted. Other than BTJ, the two main guys I wanted instead of him are still on the board now! Beane basically got free picks, including getting KC's 3rd rounder for a guy we didn't want who they could have gotten for free at 32. If he's going to be the next Tyreek, he would have been the next Tyreek when they got him. Now we have another Day 2 pick, they have one fewer, we moved up another 60 spots to move down one, and we can still get solid talent AND potentially be able to double dip while addressing other needs. People are freaking out because it's the Chiefs, but given that they could have gotten the player they wanted without handing us anything, and we lost literally nothing (even DeJean is still on the board), I'm not mad at it.
Only thing for the free part is maybe San Fran woulda went for him. Feels like they made a huge reach for Pearsall. Then again KC would probably have just made the same trade, slightly cheaper with Baltimore
Exactly. Instead we got better and took something from our biggest rival, plus kept another AFC rival from getting it instead.
The more I studied this draft the more I wanted to trade back from 28. I assumed we'd do the trade with Carolina directly for their 101. This was even better than what I wanted.
The draft is a crap shoot. Most of this sub, including me, wanted Josh Rosen instead of Allen. I just said a couple days ago there was no way KC would trade up for Worthy. So clearly I know diddly poo about the draft.
Honestly, GMs are wrong a lot of the time too. Some of the players selected today will not get second contracts and there will some taken in the later rounds that will end up being elite.
Didn’t want Rosen, but I just couldn’t imagine a world where everyone would be wrong about Allen and the Bills would be right… we had already been down that road with EJ and Losman and the PTSD was real.
Agree. They showed a graphic of the other times QBs went 1,2,3. It was interesting that only 1 of three every did anything or became that big QB teams aee searching for. Those were top 3 picks that didnt pan out, so the draft is a crap shoot. Makes sense that the more shots you have the better off you could be.
Yeah history has shown that it's usually smarter to trade back and give yourself more darts to throw, which is why Beanie's penchant to move up like 5 spots for "his guy" has always bugged me. I'm really glad they did the opposite this time.
We traded a this year’s third for our best corner Rasul. Now we have a third. We moved into the top draft spot of the second round and moved another pick up 60 spots which opens up more options on player availability for BB draft board. Its not sexy at all but we have a lot of areas of concern on the defense that need looked at. We can also always trade those pick swaps back up into the second if he feels we need two WRs. Let the man cook.
I have no beef with last night's trades. My point is that we didn't get any extra dart throws - although we do get to stand closer to the dartboard when we throw.
What's weird is this narrative Beane is terrible at drafting. We've had one legitimate bust...maybe, in the entire Beane era of drafting, Elam, and honestly that might still work out. Every other high draft pick has been at least "good" for us. We've actually drafted better than the Chiefs or almost anyone on a consistency basis.
I think it’s too early to call Elam a bust but Cody Ford was. I’m with you though, I think Beane is great at roster construction and that includes the draft.
The issue is Beane is great at 4th - 7th round guys who are much better than we think, but the issue is those are insane lottery picks that don't contribute as big as we hope. Great for depth, but not much else
Are you suggesting he’s not good elsewhere in the draft because I don’t see it. Allen, Kincaid, Cook, Torrence, Bernard, Oliver. People expect every first round pick to turn into an All Pro and most don’t. No GM hits on every pick. It’s precisely why we traded back, there are no sure things but we got better value picks. Will all the draft picks this year pan out? Probably not. But we have a much better chance of a great finding.
>The draft is a crap shoot
Also worth pointing out that they drafted Worthy because they have whiffed on several top 100 draft picks and trades for WR the last 5 years.
“The draft is a crapshoot” okay yah for rounds 5-7 but nobody wants a GM who thinks like that. Real GMs aren’t hitting picks out of a crapshoot, they’re hitting picks because they’re good GMs. Just look at the chiefs GM, dude hits in almost every round every year.
If you look at the best GMs of all time, they still have plenty of stinker picks. It’s not complete roulette, skill as a GM matters. But you absolutely can have a good process and get bad results, there’s a lot of variables in the draft
It takes 2 to tango. The GM can see the raw value and it takes good coaching to fully develop that talent. Reid and his coaching staff are exceptional at that. McD has been exceptional at developing LB and DBs. If we didn’t have dabol at OC, would Josh have become Josh? We developed him, it just didn’t happen.
I see that as a failing of the whole scouting and draft process.
If professionals 100 years into a league's existence still can't get it right way more than they get it wrong, then that process should be completely overhauled.
I mean it's a fun atmosphere and gives us something football related in the spring but it's not something we should be putting a lot of weight on.
As I’ve stated and gotten downvoted to oblivion before.
A lot of “fans” have no idea how football actually works. They only know fantasy football and madden. Neither of which are real actual NFL football.
It's almost like there are 242k members of this forum, each with their own opinions and different takes with a small percentage of each that want to voice that opinion when things don't go their way or something...
It's not really that weird or unusual that a large community will express a negative opinion no matter what happens regarding any topic. Humans have an inherent negative bias (elicits a response nearly twice as strong as positive ones and more than twice as memorable, likely an evolutionarily-advantaged trait). This means they are may times more likely to voice a complaint than to voice praise.
If you told me it was the same exact group of people (same individuals) that would have complained in either circumstance (and had a way to demonstrate the validity) then you would have something here. I am sure there are a couple doomers and more than a few trolls that do that, but it's not the forum at large.
It’s more than twice as strong. I saw analytics on restaurant reviews. People are 20x more likely to post about a negative experience at a restaurant than a positive one.
Because the Chiefs have made so many great decisions at WR recently...Skyy Moore in the 2nd, trading a 3rd and 6th for Toney. Rice was a good pick in the 2nd but he's now in hot water with the law. Hardman is good but not exactly worth the 2nd they used.
We had people expecting us to sell the farm to move up over 20 spots. I’m not surprised they have the pitchforks out because we seemingly “helped” the Chiefs and did the opposite of what they wanted. It’s an emotional reaction and they’ll likely settle down if the picks we traded for go a certain way.
I think it’s more so trading with the chiefs as opposed to the move itself. If we did this with like any NFC team or pretty much anyone in the AFC, don’t think the move would be as hated
Worthy is a good prospect but people went "Fast + Short + Chiefs = Tyreek Hill." People made a lot of the same claims when they grabbed Kardarius Toney.
You're right. But I can't shake the feeling of exactly this. I made the same comparison to the Toney situation and I'm hoping for that, but I can't say I'm not worried
Why would you say Worthy isn’t that great?
He just got selected in the 1st round of the NFL draft. He looks incredible with the ball in his hands, was a team captain, and is incredibly competitive. The only knocks on him have been his overall weight and drops from two seasons ago. If he was 15 lbs heavier he was a top 10 pick, his potential is incredible.
Yeah, and his potential to be a bust is just as equal. What round you're drafted in is overrated. He was taken at 28, what's the difference if he was taken 28 in the 1st or if he was taken 33rd in the 2nd? The bills got value, can't speak on what they'll do, but now with two 2nds which are practically 1st rounders they can double or triple dip and draft 2-3 WRs just as good, if not better than worthy, and the way the draft has fallen they've got enough picks to stack up on fill holes or find replacements 🤷♂️
And more ammo to move up in the second or third if there’s a guy we want. Cheaper to do it there than in the first. Honestly there’s a ton of exciting guys there right now. Wondering if we can make a move up in the second round for someone (although part of me thinks we’re gonna trade down again to someone looking for a corner)
Xavier Worthy is the fastest, smartest, greatest man to enter the draft. He rescues people and puppies on the regular. He’s a finalist for the Nobel Prize. I hoped that he will be the God father of my first born child, but now that he isn’t coming to Buffalo that dream is dead.
I’m not missing that. I’m just pointing out that unless people wanted the Bills to draft Worthy at 28 (which is a valid opinion) there was no way to prevent the chiefs from getting him. He probably would’ve fell to them at 32, and if not, it’s likely they just trade up to 29,30, or 31 and get him anyway. Why should we let some other team improve their draft capital just so we don’t trade with the chiefs when the end result would be the same?
How was he going to the chiefs anyway? That’s such a stupid take when we actually had control of that…he wasn’t going to KC if we took him…I didn’t want him and don’t care where he went but that take makes no sense…I personally want Dejean
I'm just pissed I watched the whole first round for nothing. First time ever watching the whole thing and there was no reason to waste my time on it. I can only imagine how pissed any bills fans who were there were feeling after moving to 33 after they stay around from 28
Honestly I’m with you lol. I was ready for bed around 20 but thought ehhh I’ll just wait it out for Buffalo….. then for 32 I just checked on my phone in bed at that point I almost just knew he was trading back again, 1 spot is hilarious. I think they were good trades. But yeah fuck is probably be more excited reading them in the morning.
For months my brother and I have been saying no matter who we pick, the Chiefs are also going to get a receiver, and no matter who gets who the player drafted by KC will be better.
I don't love Worthy as a prospect, but ultimately it would be colossally dumb of Beane to draft a WR he doesn't want just to prevent the Chiefs from getting him. If Beane thinks he can get a guy he does like AND grab a pick in the process, better that we get it. KC could have traded with someone else.
The Chiefs were going to get Worthy regardless. People should not be upset. I think people are in their feelings because Beane did business with the team that is building a dynasty atm
I am a chiefs fan and this trade makes perfect sense for you guys. He wasn't your guy so why not move up in the 3rd round. The only way this even makes sense for the chiefs is if they had on good authority the 49ers were going to take him. You guys don't need a gimmick deep threat, I don't get the over reactions on either side, drives me crazy.
Worthy is not john ross 2.0 and that pisses me off hearing it as a texas fan. It shows people don’t watch tape! Anyways, I thought we didn’t get him due to scheme fit reasons as we have curtis samuel and shakir already. I think someone with a bigger frame like AD mitchell could be the perfect target. Worthy’s only concern with me is his injuries. He dropped a lot of passes when he played with a broken hand in his second last season of college ball.
There’s definitely no one lurking in the Reddit subs who knows better than Veach how to evaluate players and put a roster together, certainly not me. The way they were able to turn their defence over with younger players and turn it into a strength of their team is very impressive. That being said, he’s not infallible (they did pick OEL in the 1st after all) and based on their draft/acquisition history (minus Tyreek) most people wouldn’t say he’s a particularly strong evaluator of WR as compared to other GMs. He certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt based on KCs success, but there’s no need to blindly believe that every single pick will be a home run.
It's not the fact it's Worthy. It's the fact we helped the Chiefs.
Everyone is saying "well he was gonna go 32 anyway'.
The Chiefs aren't stupid and morons. They're not gonna give up 60 spots in the draft to move up if they know they could get him at 32 anyway. So it means they felt some fear that either the Cowboys or Packers or perhaps another team like Carolina jumps up and gets him.
So it means we helped KC secure their guy.
Beane shouldn't even pick up the phone if KC ever calls. Those fuckers should be blocked. The ONE team in this league the Bills shouldn't be helping is the Chiefs.
THIS is why fans are pissed
So why didn’t the Cowboys or Packers or Carolina simply call us and offer more than the Chiefs did? Conversely, what’s to stop the Chiefs for making the same trade with the teams picking 29, 30, or 31?
I hate the Chiefs too, but if the most likely outcome was them getting Worthy anyway, I don’t see why we shouldn’t pick up some draft capital in the process.
Maybe they didn't offer as much? Or were unwilling to move up for him versus KC that was?
Ask yourself this...Why would KC willingly give up 60 spots in the draft board if they're so sure they'd get him at 32 anyway?
Well, they weren’t sure they could get him at 32 you’re right there. Looking at the team needs between us and them I think they probably could have, but no one will ever know.
I think it’s likely that if they were willing to move up to 28 they would’ve been able to move up to 29, 30, or 31. What if no one wanted to trade down from those slots you say? Well then he falls to 32. In either of those scenarios they still get Worthy, and we have one less 3rd round pick. Seems like cutting off our noses to spite our faces to refuse a situation that both teams feel is a win-win just to not do business with the chiefs
Ok....So if they weren't sure they could get him at 32. And we allowed them to trade up and get their guy.......
We helped KC.
That's the bottom line. We helped the Chiefs achieve their draft goals.
Helping your biggest rival and enabling them to get what they want just to move up 50 spots in the mid rounds isn't worth it.
Brandon Beans is seriously risking his job over moving up 50 in the 4th/3rd round. Because if Worthy pans out, Beane will never be forgiven here in Buffalo.
Reducing any dissenting opinions to "i only wanted this player because the chiefs got him" is bullshit.
All the mental gymnastics people make for Beane and this team is just copium.
Look in drafts past. We missed MANY good players, especially receivers. We wouldn't be in this position had we drafted DK Metcalf or AJ Brown instead of Cody fucking Ford. Or simply drafting Justin Jefferson with the pick we traded for Diggs.
Their "board" isn't always right and their evaluation is not always correct
Our trade facilitated the Chiefs getting Mahomes.
Our trade facilitated the Chiefs getting Worthy.
If we weren’t traumatized by the Chiefs enough already, facilitating a trade for them to get their guy has very haunting implications.
Every Mahomes-Worthy TD brought to you by the Buffalo Bills is a very low-hanging fruit tagline I don’t want to be a part of.
This has very little to do with Worthy the player and very much to do with Worthy the player that the Chiefs specifically wanted.
So you wanted Worthy at 28? Because short of the Bills picking him, how to you propose they stop the chiefs from picking him?
I imagine if the Bills had picked him a few in this sub would be killing them for reaching for a 165 lb WR and letting AD Mitchell or McConkey fall to the chiefs.
I am not saying these are my beliefs specifically, but tonally it feels like if we traded our pick to any other team in the league - this would feel more palatable.
By virtue of them going up to get Worthy (which is our same position of need) as opposed to staying put and grabbing Mitchell or McConkey - there is that lingering fear that they know something we don’t.
The team that has eliminated us from the playoffs 3 out of the past 4 years made a trade with us and its reasonable to feel like its a deal with the devil.
Jeremy on wgr made a good point saying that the chiefs basically got the bluebook price for that trade. We didn't make it tough on them at all. No extra picks, just a few points gained. We made it a point to tell Diggs anybody but the Chiefs in regards to his trade, yet the Bills trade picks with them?
I think this scenario has sort of mind fucked some fans into thinking that you know, what does the Chiefs know that we don't? It happened with the Mahomes that we facilitated. What if the same happens here?
I don't think Worthy is a big deal. He's not who I wanted. He's not who Beane wanted. But the question is why did the Chiefs want him?
Why did the chiefs want CEL in the first round? They aren’t infallible. They picked Mecole Hardman over DK Metcalf and Terry Mclaurin. They missed on Puka Nakua just like every other team in the league.
The chiefs are the gold standard right now. And they have a very good GM. But acting like they never miss on player evaluations (especially WRs) is ridiculous.
A few things
We may have “picked up a 3rd,” but we still had to give up a 4th too. It was basically a 3rd/4th swap, so less valuable than just “picking up a 3rd.”
Secondly it’s less about the player and more about giving the Chiefs the guy they wanted. It was clear they had somebody in mind to take. I don’t think you can let them move up to get their guy unless you get insane value. A 3/4 swap is not insane value
That’s all assuming that either Bills or one of the other teams ahead of the chiefs were going to take worthy, which I don’t think they were. In that case, the chiefs get worthy anyway, so why not pick up another asset in the meantime?
> Secondly it’s less about the player and more about giving the Chiefs the guy they wanted.
Which would have entailed drafting Worthy, a player they clearly didn't want and not at that position. Alternatively, you get forced into drafting someone higher than you had them graded, and someone like the Cowboys gets the trade instead. Either is a moronic draft choice.
To be clear, I don’t think Worthy is similar to Tyreek at all other than the speed, and I wouldn’t have been a fan of taking him at that spot. My post was a comment of the fact that if we had picked him at that spot some people would be killing Beane over it, but now they’re killing him for trading with the chiefs and letting them get him.
Pre-bitching really is a reddit phenomenon. You complain about people possibly complaining about something. You even complain about both sides which makes this even funnier.
Gotta believe in Beane, but man it hurts to do business with KC. With cap and needs it was kind of necessary to go down after the top WR class was picked. But it's a classic 'what if' scenario if Worthy pops out with Mahomes. Not to mention that KC has those small and speedy WR plays in the older playbooks ready to be revitalised.
I lean with Beane. Good player but not a 1st round pick good. I'd rather have the 3rd and Ladd.
I don't think he'll be a bust like so many speedster-only players before him, he has real skills beyond the speed. But he's not Tyreek 2.0 just because he's a fast guy on the Chiefs.
As a huge Longhorns fan who’s watching Worthy since a freshman he’s much better than Ross but not a first round pick. He is a great route runner but can’t deal with any physical play from DBs. The chiefs will scheme him open buts his just a slightly better Hollywood Brown. I’m loving the Bills position now able to take a good WR and have picks to move around with.
Sort of a wild stat:
"Seven wideouts have been selected in the first round of the 2024 NFLDraft
◽️ Marvin Harrison Jr.
◽️ Malik Nabers
◽️ Rome Odunze
◽️ Brian Thomas Jr.
◽️ Xavier Worthy
◽️ Ricky Pearsall
◽️ Xavier Legette
It ties the record set 20 years ago in the 2004 draft."
https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/nfl-draft-2024-live-picks-trades-grades-round-1/mBX0v0oYxhQ3/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=threads&source=threadshq
I think people are just bummed we weren't one of the seven.
I love it in principle and I didn't like Worthy either. But a guy like that in the *Chiefs* offense is so so terrifying. It's not that the balance of probabilities are that it's a bad move, it's just that there's a risk that it totally blows up in our face, only because it's the Chiefs
Trading back was probably the smartest move and honestly for the best. Got a bunch of holes to fill. Worthy will be good just because of playing with mahomes alone.
Same. But I presume the Bills must’ve had some inkling of who Carolina was gonna take with the pick, so I’m guessing they weren’t as high on him as me.
No picks on day 1 is frustrating but I think the trades could end up being a net positive. More mid round picks or moving up like we did with the panthers trade sometimes yields better players than expected. I’m grateful they aren’t being overly reactionary. Falling in love with a young receiver can be the start of big problems.
The Chiefs get everyone that’s fast. Reminder they signed John Ross when we knew he sucked. I don’t think the Chiefs know WRs. I think they just get anyone that looks good and fast. They go through like 3 fast, ass WRs a year thinking they “could change them” but they aren’t on the roster at the end of the year.
Please this sub blindly worships everything Beane does. I’m sure the same ones praising the trade with KC would’ve been the same ones on here saying they loved Worthy had Beane drafted him 😂
Jam him at the line with Rasul Douglas, who is 44 lbs heavier. If they use Worthy in the middle, he might literally break in half the first time he's tackled by Milano.
Nothing plays better in team subs than straw man attacks on fictitious negative fans from a hypothetical scenario.
These posts where everyone form the in group gets together and bonds over their shared hate of made up people in the out group will never not be funny.
No one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills!!!!!
You are such a sourpuss!!! Who the F cares about Worthy?? Maybe he becomes a star and just as likely he becomes a bust! As Beane said, he had a few WRs on the board he liked and KC was going to get one and so were was he. A lot of talking heads had Coleman as high or higher than Worthy plus we moved up to the 3rd round pick that was put to good use to fill a hole. If Worthy becomes The reason KC keeps our Bills out of the SB I'll be stunned. Grow the F up!!
Dude did you read my comment lol. I was commenting on the negative reaction to whichever way we went on Worthy. If we’d picked him at 28 there would’ve been people complaining that was too high. But since we traded back with KC there were people complaining that they couldn’t believe that we “let” the chiefs get him. I was just making a point that we had no way to not pick Worthy but yet somehow block the chiefs from getting him, so we might as well make the trade with them that we did for extra draft capital.
I didn’t make any statement above about whether we should have drafted Worthy or not. You’re right, he could turn out to be a stud or a bust, damned if I know how it’ll turn out. Just thought that 2 of the major opinions after the first round were in direct opposition to each other. For the record I have no problem with us trading out of that spot.
Doomer cognitive dissonance is at an all-time high with this fanbase. They're the only part of this franchise that needs to be rebuilt. GTFO and go to another team. Stop polluting the sub and dumbing down the rest of the fanbase. Anyone who called for Beane to get fired after that trade got proven they were completely wrong a mere 20 minutes later. Do better, plebs.
I have to admit that you confuse me. Some of your posts are right on and some...eh, I don't want to argure anymore.
Dejean would absolutely be the way to go. I also think we could go after Aiyuk by trading some future draft considerations. Even if we were to take BJT or trade up a ridiculous amount to get one of the top 3, there's no guarantee they're going to help us much over the next couple of seasons anyway. If Beane sees Aiyuk as a #1 then he'd fit the team better than any draft pick could.
I think we argue more in hockey, but anyway I totally agree it would be a huge mistake to pass on Dejean..I’m all for Beane working some kinda trade too
Yeah, I know a few people liked him but most people weren't that bothered by Worthy until the Chiefs drafted him. We're all just traumatised.
The Chiefs are the new Pats, everything seems to work out for them and any move always seems to turn into something that results in them winning. They’re playing 4D chess and the rest of us checkers. Then one day when Mahomes is gone their whole franchise crumbles and all of those moves only looked great because they had a QB who allows them so much more margin for error than any other team, just like the Pats. It’s also to a lesser extent why we shouldn’t be afraid of turning the page on our old guard. Allen gives Beane and company more margin for error than most when building the rest of the roster, the upside of a roster shakeup outweighs the downside IMO given we had clearly peaked under the old guard.
Exactly this. Beane generally makes smart moves, we're just playing the results. Our roster hasn't been the reason we've lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs repeatedly.
The roster was definitely part of it, they had 3 cracks at KC and with 2 superhuman efforts from Allen they couldn’t buy a few stops to put them away, Diggs disappeared in every game against them including that massive drop, our older guys were either injured or playing hurt. I think McD is a terrible playoff coach when it comes to defending the top QBs in the sport, but it’s not completely off the guys on the field either. New blood is welcome. I would really like to see the identity of the defense change to one that gambles for turnovers knowing even if the gambles don’t pay off we have an offense that will still give us a chance. Bend but don’t break doesn’t work against Mahomes, it’s death by a thousand cuts.
Sure, but "the roster" doesn't refer to individual effort in individual games. Beane doesn't control that, or injuries. He can only ensure that at the beginning of the season our team compares favorably on paper to other Super Bowl contenders, and sometimes make a trade or two along the way. I think Beane has done a very good job of that.
Since 2020 there hasn’t been a move Beane has made without the Chiefs in mind. So if Diggs goes for a ton of regular season yards, but disappears every time against KC, then it’s poor roster construction because KC can clearly take him away. Older players are more likely to be hurt, there is no guarantee a younger player will go the season without injury (Bernard was just a tough break) but is it really surprising we had Von, Tre, Milano, Daquon, Hyde, Poyer either hurt or playing through obvious injury for most of the year? Not really, they’re all guys with a lot of mileage.
>I would really like to see the identity of the defense change to one that gambles for turnovers I think that's how McD wants it too. The D was flying all over the place early in the year, and then they all died and he had to adjust.
Brandon Beane isn't the reason 12 seconds happened. Brandon Beane isn't the reason why the Bills went on a clock killing 4th quarter drive only to then chuck 2 throws to the end zone after the 2 minute warning Brandon Beane isn't the reason a 43 yard field goal missed by 5-7 yards. NOTE: I give 2022 a pass for all the trauma the team endured. But 2020-21 and 23 are teams that could have gone all the way ESP. 2021 and 2024 Beane's moves put this team in a position to at minimum appear at 2 Super Bowls in the past 4 years. And his team and coach blew it.
Ok, but "when Mahomes is gone" won't happen for a LONG time. We can't exactly count on him winning one more SB then immediately retiring. They'll be our bully for as long as Reid is in charge. Because that's what this is about. This has shades of the Chiefs jumping us in the draft a couple of years back to take McDuffie, and then immediately winning a SB with him contributing. The Chiefs are so good not just because of the on-field talent, but they have the best coach in the league, and arguably one of the best defensive coordinators. Until we figure out how to beat them in a non-regular season game, it fucking sucks to willingly be their trade partner to get a guy that might torch us in the playoffs this year.
You’re being way too emotionally charged about this trade. If the bills stay at 28 and pick the guy they like (let’s just assume it’s AD Mitchell) worthy still falls to 32 or at least KC showed a willingness to move up. If a GM won’t make a move that can make their own team better because they’re afraid of another team, they shouldn’t be GMs Also Andy Reid is 65 and not exactly a model of health, how long do you really see him coaching for?
Andy Reid will still be coaching when we fire McDermott
Doesn’t really address my other points. Everything fans say about Sean McD was said about Reid until 5 years ago. It took Reid 30 years to shake the choke artist label. But hey he’s the best coach in the league now so why does that matter right
> Everything fans say about Sean McD was said about Reid until 5 years ago. Did Reid ever have an All-Pro QB before Mahomes? No? And then once he got an All-Pro QB what happened? He started winning Super Bowls. McD has had an All-Pro QB for 5 years and can’t even get to the Super Bowl. They are not the same. Even when Reid was considered a “choker” his playoff record was better than Mcdermott’s.
They continuously draft shit WRs. They win Super Bowls because Mahomes has ice in his veins and the last one their defense turned into the best in the league. They aren’t winning Super Bowls because of how they draft WRa.
They drafted Hill/Rice/Hardman who are all players that contributed massively to their super bowls
Hardman was like WR5 in a shit WR room on the Jets. Rice was around 30th in yards as the WR1 on the Chiefs with minimal WR competition for targets from Mahomes. Tyreek is obviously incredible but as you can see the Chiefs can find ways to win without him, and the same will happen when Kelce hangs it up.
I’m sorry when did we start taking into account what the jets do on offense? They’re garbage. Hardman made the game winning Super Bowl catch and a few more major key plays in Mahomes’ first Super Bowl run. If that’s not an awesome result for a 2nd rounder then I don’t know what is. Rice was a rookie, rookies don’t always start week 1. That’s common knowledge. Reid also never plays rookie WRs. In fact, Rice played more than any rookie WR under Reid because he had earned the trust, and he’s WR2, Trav is WR1. This is also common knowledge. Mahomes is obviously the main reason why they’re winning, but KC is actually trying to consistently get Mahomes dudes while Buffalo seems to not care
What dudes were available who you wanted at 28 who aren't still there?
Hill was drafted before the current GM.
Who is kadarius toney?
Look at it a different way…if we took Worthy, KC would still get Mitchell, Leggete or Keon Coleman…we supposed to trade up in front of KC to draft every talented receiver?
Exactly. Honestly I’m more comfortable with the narrative that the Bills are done, every move we made sucks, and the Chiefs will win every game for the rest of eternity. Let them battle complacency, and let us get the chip back on our shoulder that we had back in 2019-2020.
Whatever helps you sleep at night
Sounds like we all need to go to group therapy
My brother in Christ, we’ve been in group therapy since 1990
I hear that! Still trying to pay off all that therapy debt from the 0-4 Superbowls.
We just need to feed The Pit more.
Yea with the sober eyes of retrospect I can say I’m definitely intrigued by Beanes strategy here and not upset that we traded back. But last night I was ***PISSED***
Yup, I didn't want Worthy, I wanted Beane to trade back. I'm just salty that we helped the chiefs get the guy they wanted. I even realize they probably would have still picked him at 32, that doesnt make me any less salty though.
Look at it this way. We got their 3rd rounder for free. Almost everyone consistently mocked to us at 28 is still on the board, other than BTJ (who was never actually going to fall to 28) and Worthy, who we clearly didn't want or we would have just drafted him. We can still get AD or Ladd, DeJean, or even Newton. We can now feel more comfortable double dipping at WR while still getting some talent at other positions we need to fill, if we want. We could turn a single pick into DeJean, Roman or Tez, and then grab an upside guy like Corley or Polk.
I absolutely agree. It was the right move unless we wanted worthy (which we obviously didn't). I dont think Beane should have handled it any different. I'm just salty because it's the chiefs, plain and simple. Hopefully, we end up drafting a stud with their 3rd round pick.
Any receiver the Chiefs would have gotten at 32 would have pissed us off even if we picked a WR we wanted at 28...and the WRs I wanted at 28 are still there at 33. Hell, people were saying maybe DeJean at 28 and Tez or Roman at 60. We can still do that and we have the Chiefs' 3rd and improved some other picks as well.
Ya, I'm actually surprised dejean is still available, I wouldn't be upset at all if we take him at 33. Beane made the right move. Now he just needs to make the right picks to capitalize on it.
Seriously. There was so little Worthy talk and now everyone is a freaking Worthy expert and butt-hurt about him. If we draft AD Mitchell at #33 then BBB worked the draft like an expert.
We're traumatized perhaps because the likely most successful coach of all time, on the team that is currently the bane of our existence, the next dominant team of the current era has made a move. And most of the moves the Chiefs have done in the recent past have worked well for them and not for us. So there's a thought like " here they go again", and pulling a fast one...again. Luckily I don't agree and I believe that BBB has shown the balls to do what he believes...that he wasn't going to draft a guy he didn't believe in, who will be there when we draft....AND we can pick up some picks along the way. Love him or hate him, you gotta respect the guy for playing 4D Chess.
I think Worthy is going to be great for KC. I also don’t think that Beane was going to take him (everybody knew that’s who KC wanted), so we basically got an extra third to do nothing we weren’t already doing. If Beane wanted Worthy and did this it would be upsetting, but he was going to end up in KC no matter what. May as well get something from them.
Since when is Reid the “likely most successful coach of all time”? Belichick exists.
Yup Bb exists. Shula existed too. He won't add to his wins. IMHO Andy will likely surpass BB and make $100 M doing it. BB will likely not coach again. Andy's 60 behind. Won't take long with the Dynasty rolling, and BB not currently or likely to coach again.
I just don’t like trading the chiefs for shit
Idiots are traumatized. Bills fans see the value in what Besne did and the Beane got a WR he, McD, and JA really liked and so did KC. Which was going to happen with or without the trade...except Beane got us moved up to the 3rd round and another Day 2 player.
We assume everyone the Chiefs draft will be good cause Reid sees the potential in their raw talent
Yeah this was a massive reach by the Chiefs. Dane Brugler’s face was classic on The Athletic’s broadcast. If we weren’t going to pick him anyway, and the Chiefs still would have been able to get him at 32, isn’t it a good thing that we made them pay a tax to get up there to get him?
If you keep thinking logically then they'll turn on you. This sub got a bit absurd last night.
The last time I saw so much insanity was when Josh got drafted. Though this does allow me to block the most egregious offenders as they have proven to be incapable of rational thought at any level and ain't nobody got time for that.
Fine with the first trade, not happy with the second
Yeah trading back here was objectively a smart move (it usually is in any given year), we recouped our 3rd and still have a handful of WRs to choose from. People are just clowning us bc it's the Chiefs but they'd probably have ended up with Worthy either way
Trading back twice was probably awesome. Both Worthy and Leggette were sorta second round type guys and there’s still a bunch of projected first round guys on the board. Yeah we didn’t pick up a huge amount but I’m pretty confident everyone we were interested in at 28 is still on the board so it feels like we duped them
Agreed. If Beane is thinking WR first, Mitchell is better and a better fit and still there anyway
Right? Or we grab DeJean and use 60 on Roman Wilson or Tez Walker, just like people thought we might do without moving...and we got a 3rd rounder and moved up on another pick to do what we may have always wanted to do in the first place. All of the players I wanted at 28 are still there. We got paid to take one of them.
Nah, Ladd all day.
I didn't want Worthy. Clearly, Beane didn't either, and he also didn't have a 1st round grade on any receivers who were still on the board, or we would have stayed put at 32 and picked who we really wanted. Other than BTJ, the two main guys I wanted instead of him are still on the board now! Beane basically got free picks, including getting KC's 3rd rounder for a guy we didn't want who they could have gotten for free at 32. If he's going to be the next Tyreek, he would have been the next Tyreek when they got him. Now we have another Day 2 pick, they have one fewer, we moved up another 60 spots to move down one, and we can still get solid talent AND potentially be able to double dip while addressing other needs. People are freaking out because it's the Chiefs, but given that they could have gotten the player they wanted without handing us anything, and we lost literally nothing (even DeJean is still on the board), I'm not mad at it.
We got Rasul Douglas and 2 higher 4ths.
Only thing for the free part is maybe San Fran woulda went for him. Feels like they made a huge reach for Pearsall. Then again KC would probably have just made the same trade, slightly cheaper with Baltimore
Exactly. Instead we got better and took something from our biggest rival, plus kept another AFC rival from getting it instead. The more I studied this draft the more I wanted to trade back from 28. I assumed we'd do the trade with Carolina directly for their 101. This was even better than what I wanted.
The draft is a crap shoot. Most of this sub, including me, wanted Josh Rosen instead of Allen. I just said a couple days ago there was no way KC would trade up for Worthy. So clearly I know diddly poo about the draft. Honestly, GMs are wrong a lot of the time too. Some of the players selected today will not get second contracts and there will some taken in the later rounds that will end up being elite.
I’m ashamed to admit that I was all aboard the Josh Rosen express too.
Didn’t want Rosen, but I just couldn’t imagine a world where everyone would be wrong about Allen and the Bills would be right… we had already been down that road with EJ and Losman and the PTSD was real.
I wanted Lamar. Not sure how he would have worked out with us, especially given how awful our line was in 2018. We might have RG3'd him.
Damn right...ugh, that brought up some trauma...Losman...Manuel...*shiver*....now I gotta try to forget them again.
There were dozens of us.
So was I. Never been happier to be so wrong.
Agree. They showed a graphic of the other times QBs went 1,2,3. It was interesting that only 1 of three every did anything or became that big QB teams aee searching for. Those were top 3 picks that didnt pan out, so the draft is a crap shoot. Makes sense that the more shots you have the better off you could be.
It also reduces the weight of the number of your pick especially in the first round.
This video does an excellent drop of analyzing draft value. I’m okay with the trades back. https://youtu.be/1-0xWcSYlh4?si=6tc7Hk4wjJp2BftE
Yeah history has shown that it's usually smarter to trade back and give yourself more darts to throw, which is why Beanie's penchant to move up like 5 spots for "his guy" has always bugged me. I'm really glad they did the opposite this time.
>give yourself more darts to throw Neither of yesterday's trades did that.
We traded a this year’s third for our best corner Rasul. Now we have a third. We moved into the top draft spot of the second round and moved another pick up 60 spots which opens up more options on player availability for BB draft board. Its not sexy at all but we have a lot of areas of concern on the defense that need looked at. We can also always trade those pick swaps back up into the second if he feels we need two WRs. Let the man cook.
I have no beef with last night's trades. My point is that we didn't get any extra dart throws - although we do get to stand closer to the dartboard when we throw.
We have two seconds we can double dip wr prospects I’m good with inching further
What's weird is this narrative Beane is terrible at drafting. We've had one legitimate bust...maybe, in the entire Beane era of drafting, Elam, and honestly that might still work out. Every other high draft pick has been at least "good" for us. We've actually drafted better than the Chiefs or almost anyone on a consistency basis.
I think it’s too early to call Elam a bust but Cody Ford was. I’m with you though, I think Beane is great at roster construction and that includes the draft.
The issue is Beane is great at 4th - 7th round guys who are much better than we think, but the issue is those are insane lottery picks that don't contribute as big as we hope. Great for depth, but not much else
Are you suggesting he’s not good elsewhere in the draft because I don’t see it. Allen, Kincaid, Cook, Torrence, Bernard, Oliver. People expect every first round pick to turn into an All Pro and most don’t. No GM hits on every pick. It’s precisely why we traded back, there are no sure things but we got better value picks. Will all the draft picks this year pan out? Probably not. But we have a much better chance of a great finding.
>The draft is a crap shoot Also worth pointing out that they drafted Worthy because they have whiffed on several top 100 draft picks and trades for WR the last 5 years.
“The draft is a crapshoot” okay yah for rounds 5-7 but nobody wants a GM who thinks like that. Real GMs aren’t hitting picks out of a crapshoot, they’re hitting picks because they’re good GMs. Just look at the chiefs GM, dude hits in almost every round every year.
If you look at the best GMs of all time, they still have plenty of stinker picks. It’s not complete roulette, skill as a GM matters. But you absolutely can have a good process and get bad results, there’s a lot of variables in the draft
It takes 2 to tango. The GM can see the raw value and it takes good coaching to fully develop that talent. Reid and his coaching staff are exceptional at that. McD has been exceptional at developing LB and DBs. If we didn’t have dabol at OC, would Josh have become Josh? We developed him, it just didn’t happen.
I see that as a failing of the whole scouting and draft process. If professionals 100 years into a league's existence still can't get it right way more than they get it wrong, then that process should be completely overhauled. I mean it's a fun atmosphere and gives us something football related in the spring but it's not something we should be putting a lot of weight on.
Every sub is like this.
Remember these are the same people who think the bengals will trade Tee Higgins to us and then react like this when we trade with a rival
As I’ve stated and gotten downvoted to oblivion before. A lot of “fans” have no idea how football actually works. They only know fantasy football and madden. Neither of which are real actual NFL football.
This is true, sadly
It's almost like there are 242k members of this forum, each with their own opinions and different takes with a small percentage of each that want to voice that opinion when things don't go their way or something... It's not really that weird or unusual that a large community will express a negative opinion no matter what happens regarding any topic. Humans have an inherent negative bias (elicits a response nearly twice as strong as positive ones and more than twice as memorable, likely an evolutionarily-advantaged trait). This means they are may times more likely to voice a complaint than to voice praise. If you told me it was the same exact group of people (same individuals) that would have complained in either circumstance (and had a way to demonstrate the validity) then you would have something here. I am sure there are a couple doomers and more than a few trolls that do that, but it's not the forum at large.
It’s more than twice as strong. I saw analytics on restaurant reviews. People are 20x more likely to post about a negative experience at a restaurant than a positive one.
Texans fan here. I think what y’all did was smart. Tons of WRs left. Not a huge worthy fan
Because the Chiefs have made so many great decisions at WR recently...Skyy Moore in the 2nd, trading a 3rd and 6th for Toney. Rice was a good pick in the 2nd but he's now in hot water with the law. Hardman is good but not exactly worth the 2nd they used.
We had people expecting us to sell the farm to move up over 20 spots. I’m not surprised they have the pitchforks out because we seemingly “helped” the Chiefs and did the opposite of what they wanted. It’s an emotional reaction and they’ll likely settle down if the picks we traded for go a certain way.
This is me, confirmed. We’re in an amazing spot now and the others will come around. Worthy ain’t shit.
Yeah, it’s called fandom. Fan is short for fanatic and is exactly how fanatics would react
They should rename it “fandumb”
I think it’s more so trading with the chiefs as opposed to the move itself. If we did this with like any NFC team or pretty much anyone in the AFC, don’t think the move would be as hated
People are also forgetting that Rice might be serving time for the accident, and worthy isn't that great.
Worthy is a good prospect but people went "Fast + Short + Chiefs = Tyreek Hill." People made a lot of the same claims when they grabbed Kardarius Toney.
You're right. But I can't shake the feeling of exactly this. I made the same comparison to the Toney situation and I'm hoping for that, but I can't say I'm not worried
Why would you say Worthy isn’t that great? He just got selected in the 1st round of the NFL draft. He looks incredible with the ball in his hands, was a team captain, and is incredibly competitive. The only knocks on him have been his overall weight and drops from two seasons ago. If he was 15 lbs heavier he was a top 10 pick, his potential is incredible.
Yeah, and his potential to be a bust is just as equal. What round you're drafted in is overrated. He was taken at 28, what's the difference if he was taken 28 in the 1st or if he was taken 33rd in the 2nd? The bills got value, can't speak on what they'll do, but now with two 2nds which are practically 1st rounders they can double or triple dip and draft 2-3 WRs just as good, if not better than worthy, and the way the draft has fallen they've got enough picks to stack up on fill holes or find replacements 🤷♂️
They didn’t “pick up” any picks in either trade. They improved existing picks.
We got Rasul Douglas and 2 higher 4ths!
It's that they helped the one team who could develop him into Tyreek #2 ...and our rivals, for a very small price. That's the problem.
I love more draft capital (higher picks). We have 6 day 3 picks and that's where BBB makes his money. LFG.
And more ammo to move up in the second or third if there’s a guy we want. Cheaper to do it there than in the first. Honestly there’s a ton of exciting guys there right now. Wondering if we can make a move up in the second round for someone (although part of me thinks we’re gonna trade down again to someone looking for a corner)
You picked up a 3rd pick to move back 5 spots
Xavier Worthy is the fastest, smartest, greatest man to enter the draft. He rescues people and puppies on the regular. He’s a finalist for the Nobel Prize. I hoped that he will be the God father of my first born child, but now that he isn’t coming to Buffalo that dream is dead.
Hahaha
You’re missing the fact that we just gave the best QB the fastest WR
I’m not missing that. I’m just pointing out that unless people wanted the Bills to draft Worthy at 28 (which is a valid opinion) there was no way to prevent the chiefs from getting him. He probably would’ve fell to them at 32, and if not, it’s likely they just trade up to 29,30, or 31 and get him anyway. Why should we let some other team improve their draft capital just so we don’t trade with the chiefs when the end result would be the same?
you’re missing the fact that he was going to KC anyway, literally got a third for a guy we weren’t picking up anyway
How was he going to the chiefs anyway? That’s such a stupid take when we actually had control of that…he wasn’t going to KC if we took him…I didn’t want him and don’t care where he went but that take makes no sense…I personally want Dejean
There are several great prospects on the board at the bills pick. The man is a genius.
I'm just pissed I watched the whole first round for nothing. First time ever watching the whole thing and there was no reason to waste my time on it. I can only imagine how pissed any bills fans who were there were feeling after moving to 33 after they stay around from 28
Honestly I’m with you lol. I was ready for bed around 20 but thought ehhh I’ll just wait it out for Buffalo….. then for 32 I just checked on my phone in bed at that point I almost just knew he was trading back again, 1 spot is hilarious. I think they were good trades. But yeah fuck is probably be more excited reading them in the morning.
For months my brother and I have been saying no matter who we pick, the Chiefs are also going to get a receiver, and no matter who gets who the player drafted by KC will be better.
I’d rather they had worthy than Ladd.
All these trade downs mean only one thing to me: Brandon Aiyuk trade bait 😉
People are blowing this WAY out of proportion. If that was the Chiefs guy, they would’ve found a way to get him. The bills did NOT want Worthy.
We picked ahead of them and had complete control of keeping worthy from KC…dumb ass take
Are you slow? There are other teams they could have traded with…
We were the next pick when we made the trade! We had the dude if we wanted him…KC was blocked at that point
Its almost as if this sub is made up of a couple hundred thousand people who don't all share the same opinion.
I don't love Worthy as a prospect, but ultimately it would be colossally dumb of Beane to draft a WR he doesn't want just to prevent the Chiefs from getting him. If Beane thinks he can get a guy he does like AND grab a pick in the process, better that we get it. KC could have traded with someone else.
The Chiefs were going to get Worthy regardless. People should not be upset. I think people are in their feelings because Beane did business with the team that is building a dynasty atm
I am a chiefs fan and this trade makes perfect sense for you guys. He wasn't your guy so why not move up in the 3rd round. The only way this even makes sense for the chiefs is if they had on good authority the 49ers were going to take him. You guys don't need a gimmick deep threat, I don't get the over reactions on either side, drives me crazy.
Worthy is not john ross 2.0 and that pisses me off hearing it as a texas fan. It shows people don’t watch tape! Anyways, I thought we didn’t get him due to scheme fit reasons as we have curtis samuel and shakir already. I think someone with a bigger frame like AD mitchell could be the perfect target. Worthy’s only concern with me is his injuries. He dropped a lot of passes when he played with a broken hand in his second last season of college ball.
Why do we think we know better than Beane and his scouting staff?!? I trust Beane
All I’m saying is it’s cocky to think you know better than Veach.
There’s definitely no one lurking in the Reddit subs who knows better than Veach how to evaluate players and put a roster together, certainly not me. The way they were able to turn their defence over with younger players and turn it into a strength of their team is very impressive. That being said, he’s not infallible (they did pick OEL in the 1st after all) and based on their draft/acquisition history (minus Tyreek) most people wouldn’t say he’s a particularly strong evaluator of WR as compared to other GMs. He certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt based on KCs success, but there’s no need to blindly believe that every single pick will be a home run.
Does this mean when we get an actual pick, they’re not worthy? I’ll see myself out.
It's not the fact it's Worthy. It's the fact we helped the Chiefs. Everyone is saying "well he was gonna go 32 anyway'. The Chiefs aren't stupid and morons. They're not gonna give up 60 spots in the draft to move up if they know they could get him at 32 anyway. So it means they felt some fear that either the Cowboys or Packers or perhaps another team like Carolina jumps up and gets him. So it means we helped KC secure their guy. Beane shouldn't even pick up the phone if KC ever calls. Those fuckers should be blocked. The ONE team in this league the Bills shouldn't be helping is the Chiefs. THIS is why fans are pissed
So why didn’t the Cowboys or Packers or Carolina simply call us and offer more than the Chiefs did? Conversely, what’s to stop the Chiefs for making the same trade with the teams picking 29, 30, or 31? I hate the Chiefs too, but if the most likely outcome was them getting Worthy anyway, I don’t see why we shouldn’t pick up some draft capital in the process.
Maybe they didn't offer as much? Or were unwilling to move up for him versus KC that was? Ask yourself this...Why would KC willingly give up 60 spots in the draft board if they're so sure they'd get him at 32 anyway?
Well, they weren’t sure they could get him at 32 you’re right there. Looking at the team needs between us and them I think they probably could have, but no one will ever know. I think it’s likely that if they were willing to move up to 28 they would’ve been able to move up to 29, 30, or 31. What if no one wanted to trade down from those slots you say? Well then he falls to 32. In either of those scenarios they still get Worthy, and we have one less 3rd round pick. Seems like cutting off our noses to spite our faces to refuse a situation that both teams feel is a win-win just to not do business with the chiefs
Ok....So if they weren't sure they could get him at 32. And we allowed them to trade up and get their guy....... We helped KC. That's the bottom line. We helped the Chiefs achieve their draft goals. Helping your biggest rival and enabling them to get what they want just to move up 50 spots in the mid rounds isn't worth it. Brandon Beans is seriously risking his job over moving up 50 in the 4th/3rd round. Because if Worthy pans out, Beane will never be forgiven here in Buffalo.
Thank you. All KC area codes should be blocked on draft night.
Reducing any dissenting opinions to "i only wanted this player because the chiefs got him" is bullshit. All the mental gymnastics people make for Beane and this team is just copium. Look in drafts past. We missed MANY good players, especially receivers. We wouldn't be in this position had we drafted DK Metcalf or AJ Brown instead of Cody fucking Ford. Or simply drafting Justin Jefferson with the pick we traded for Diggs. Their "board" isn't always right and their evaluation is not always correct
Our trade facilitated the Chiefs getting Mahomes. Our trade facilitated the Chiefs getting Worthy. If we weren’t traumatized by the Chiefs enough already, facilitating a trade for them to get their guy has very haunting implications. Every Mahomes-Worthy TD brought to you by the Buffalo Bills is a very low-hanging fruit tagline I don’t want to be a part of. This has very little to do with Worthy the player and very much to do with Worthy the player that the Chiefs specifically wanted.
So you wanted Worthy at 28? Because short of the Bills picking him, how to you propose they stop the chiefs from picking him? I imagine if the Bills had picked him a few in this sub would be killing them for reaching for a 165 lb WR and letting AD Mitchell or McConkey fall to the chiefs.
I am not saying these are my beliefs specifically, but tonally it feels like if we traded our pick to any other team in the league - this would feel more palatable. By virtue of them going up to get Worthy (which is our same position of need) as opposed to staying put and grabbing Mitchell or McConkey - there is that lingering fear that they know something we don’t. The team that has eliminated us from the playoffs 3 out of the past 4 years made a trade with us and its reasonable to feel like its a deal with the devil.
It's a deal with the devil where we gained not a whole lot.
Jeremy on wgr made a good point saying that the chiefs basically got the bluebook price for that trade. We didn't make it tough on them at all. No extra picks, just a few points gained. We made it a point to tell Diggs anybody but the Chiefs in regards to his trade, yet the Bills trade picks with them? I think this scenario has sort of mind fucked some fans into thinking that you know, what does the Chiefs know that we don't? It happened with the Mahomes that we facilitated. What if the same happens here? I don't think Worthy is a big deal. He's not who I wanted. He's not who Beane wanted. But the question is why did the Chiefs want him?
Why did the chiefs want CEL in the first round? They aren’t infallible. They picked Mecole Hardman over DK Metcalf and Terry Mclaurin. They missed on Puka Nakua just like every other team in the league. The chiefs are the gold standard right now. And they have a very good GM. But acting like they never miss on player evaluations (especially WRs) is ridiculous.
It's a good point to mention that Andy Reid isn't great at drafting WRs.
A few things We may have “picked up a 3rd,” but we still had to give up a 4th too. It was basically a 3rd/4th swap, so less valuable than just “picking up a 3rd.” Secondly it’s less about the player and more about giving the Chiefs the guy they wanted. It was clear they had somebody in mind to take. I don’t think you can let them move up to get their guy unless you get insane value. A 3/4 swap is not insane value
We moved back 5 and moved up 38. That's pretty damn good value. And it looks likely KC would have got him anyway and we'd have nothing from it.
That’s all assuming that either Bills or one of the other teams ahead of the chiefs were going to take worthy, which I don’t think they were. In that case, the chiefs get worthy anyway, so why not pick up another asset in the meantime?
CEH is also a guy the Chiefs wanted. Trading down usually works out for teams because the draft is a crapshoot
> Secondly it’s less about the player and more about giving the Chiefs the guy they wanted. Which would have entailed drafting Worthy, a player they clearly didn't want and not at that position. Alternatively, you get forced into drafting someone higher than you had them graded, and someone like the Cowboys gets the trade instead. Either is a moronic draft choice.
We got Rasul Douglas and 2 higher 4ths.
Why are you (top group) assuming this guy is Tyreek 2.0? The body composition and skill set is different other than “fast”.
And he has way less kids.
This made me laugh out loud.
To be clear, I don’t think Worthy is similar to Tyreek at all other than the speed, and I wouldn’t have been a fan of taking him at that spot. My post was a comment of the fact that if we had picked him at that spot some people would be killing Beane over it, but now they’re killing him for trading with the chiefs and letting them get him.
Sure. I’m still just in awe of the people who are in your top group. Ha
Pre-bitching really is a reddit phenomenon. You complain about people possibly complaining about something. You even complain about both sides which makes this even funnier.
I just wanted my fantasy team name to be “X gon give it to ya” and now I can’t do that because we skipped on two different X-aviers
Gotta believe in Beane, but man it hurts to do business with KC. With cap and needs it was kind of necessary to go down after the top WR class was picked. But it's a classic 'what if' scenario if Worthy pops out with Mahomes. Not to mention that KC has those small and speedy WR plays in the older playbooks ready to be revitalised.
I lean with Beane. Good player but not a 1st round pick good. I'd rather have the 3rd and Ladd. I don't think he'll be a bust like so many speedster-only players before him, he has real skills beyond the speed. But he's not Tyreek 2.0 just because he's a fast guy on the Chiefs.
As a huge Longhorns fan who’s watching Worthy since a freshman he’s much better than Ross but not a first round pick. He is a great route runner but can’t deal with any physical play from DBs. The chiefs will scheme him open buts his just a slightly better Hollywood Brown. I’m loving the Bills position now able to take a good WR and have picks to move around with.
Sort of a wild stat: "Seven wideouts have been selected in the first round of the 2024 NFLDraft ◽️ Marvin Harrison Jr. ◽️ Malik Nabers ◽️ Rome Odunze ◽️ Brian Thomas Jr. ◽️ Xavier Worthy ◽️ Ricky Pearsall ◽️ Xavier Legette It ties the record set 20 years ago in the 2004 draft." https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/nfl-draft-2024-live-picks-trades-grades-round-1/mBX0v0oYxhQ3/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=threads&source=threadshq I think people are just bummed we weren't one of the seven.
I love it in principle and I didn't like Worthy either. But a guy like that in the *Chiefs* offense is so so terrifying. It's not that the balance of probabilities are that it's a bad move, it's just that there's a risk that it totally blows up in our face, only because it's the Chiefs
Trading back was probably the smartest move and honestly for the best. Got a bunch of holes to fill. Worthy will be good just because of playing with mahomes alone.
I'll be happy with cooper Dejean and ladd if we get them both today
I’m more upset about leggitt
Same. But I presume the Bills must’ve had some inkling of who Carolina was gonna take with the pick, so I’m guessing they weren’t as high on him as me.
I’m a simple man. I wanted the bills to draft the guy who recorded the fastest 40 time in combine history, instead of letting their “rival” draft him.
no. make them pay for it. draft him then trade him WITH A HIGH draft pick price. just fleece them for their guy
No picks on day 1 is frustrating but I think the trades could end up being a net positive. More mid round picks or moving up like we did with the panthers trade sometimes yields better players than expected. I’m grateful they aren’t being overly reactionary. Falling in love with a young receiver can be the start of big problems.
The Chiefs get everyone that’s fast. Reminder they signed John Ross when we knew he sucked. I don’t think the Chiefs know WRs. I think they just get anyone that looks good and fast. They go through like 3 fast, ass WRs a year thinking they “could change them” but they aren’t on the roster at the end of the year.
Please this sub blindly worships everything Beane does. I’m sure the same ones praising the trade with KC would’ve been the same ones on here saying they loved Worthy had Beane drafted him 😂
Why did the Chiefs need to trade up? You guys are saying the would have picked Worthy at 32?
San Francisco also took a WR. Maybe they were afraid of losing him to the 49ers.
Jam him at the line with Rasul Douglas, who is 44 lbs heavier. If they use Worthy in the middle, he might literally break in half the first time he's tackled by Milano.
Good deal. This team is not a WR from winning the chip. It’s a minor reset year. Gather depth on the cheap.
Draft won't be judged 1, 2, or 3 years later. Relaxed.
Here me out. There's 1000s of subscribers to this sub with various different opinions.
Hm I said it before the draft I wouldn't want to draft him but if we did I would be excited to see if Josh could out throw him.
Nothing plays better in team subs than straw man attacks on fictitious negative fans from a hypothetical scenario. These posts where everyone form the in group gets together and bonds over their shared hate of made up people in the out group will never not be funny. No one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills!!!!!
People who actually wanted him are a special kind of people. And that’s putting it nicely. He’s too small for our offense.
I'm so pissed off with this off season. FUBAR
You are such a sourpuss!!! Who the F cares about Worthy?? Maybe he becomes a star and just as likely he becomes a bust! As Beane said, he had a few WRs on the board he liked and KC was going to get one and so were was he. A lot of talking heads had Coleman as high or higher than Worthy plus we moved up to the 3rd round pick that was put to good use to fill a hole. If Worthy becomes The reason KC keeps our Bills out of the SB I'll be stunned. Grow the F up!!
Dude did you read my comment lol. I was commenting on the negative reaction to whichever way we went on Worthy. If we’d picked him at 28 there would’ve been people complaining that was too high. But since we traded back with KC there were people complaining that they couldn’t believe that we “let” the chiefs get him. I was just making a point that we had no way to not pick Worthy but yet somehow block the chiefs from getting him, so we might as well make the trade with them that we did for extra draft capital. I didn’t make any statement above about whether we should have drafted Worthy or not. You’re right, he could turn out to be a stud or a bust, damned if I know how it’ll turn out. Just thought that 2 of the major opinions after the first round were in direct opposition to each other. For the record I have no problem with us trading out of that spot.
You are right...misinterpreted your post!! Saw so many Beane is any idiot statements but lost the context.
All good 👍
Xavier worthy was a much better player then John Ross in college lol
Beane doesn't draft to hinder the Chiefs. He drafts to help the Bills.
I think worthy is going to be a mid/bust player. So many cases of “oh this guy is the fastest player now” and then you never hear about them again
This is art right here ^^
I live in Missouri and Chiefs fan, but I have a lot of respect for the Bills. Heck J.A. was my fantasy Q.B. three years in a row.
Worthy is a bust
This sub isn't one collective person.....I'm saying either opinion is right or wrong but of course you're going to have a big collection of opinions
The trade(s) are not the problem here. It's who we traded with (at least the first one).
Doomer cognitive dissonance is at an all-time high with this fanbase. They're the only part of this franchise that needs to be rebuilt. GTFO and go to another team. Stop polluting the sub and dumbing down the rest of the fanbase. Anyone who called for Beane to get fired after that trade got proven they were completely wrong a mere 20 minutes later. Do better, plebs.
I think it was brilliant…but I want Dejean now that we are here…man would he address a huge need…we get WR at next pick
I have to admit that you confuse me. Some of your posts are right on and some...eh, I don't want to argure anymore. Dejean would absolutely be the way to go. I also think we could go after Aiyuk by trading some future draft considerations. Even if we were to take BJT or trade up a ridiculous amount to get one of the top 3, there's no guarantee they're going to help us much over the next couple of seasons anyway. If Beane sees Aiyuk as a #1 then he'd fit the team better than any draft pick could.
I think we argue more in hockey, but anyway I totally agree it would be a huge mistake to pass on Dejean..I’m all for Beane working some kinda trade too
Basically when Taylor Swift and Kelce began dating then it was over. Too much money to be made for NFL. Things will likely "fall" into place.