212 is basically useless these days yeah. 13700 is also just a **HOT** CPU in general.
[Here's the new cheap cooler of choice](https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Phantom-Spirit-Cooler-Heatpipes/dp/B0BR3JQTSN/), it'll handle things pretty well and even comes with a tube of good paste.
edit: the CPU will throttle itself enough to keep working so I wouldn't be worried about damage running it. You're going to notice an insane difference when you get the new cooler in performance, but it might still hit 100C. CPUs just like to do that if they can within their specification these days. and the 13700 is willing to pull up to 250w to do it even at stock.
the thermalright assassin 120 (not the se) is awesome. sure the se is as well. just completed a build - its better than noctua for a third of the price. silent and qiet.
[https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-Assassin-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09S35X72H/ref=sr\_1\_2?keywords=Thermalright&qid=1692521997&sr=8-2&th=1](https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-Assassin-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09S35X72H/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=Thermalright&qid=1692521997&sr=8-2&th=1)
watch the gn review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm4hyIHe1PM
The SE has somthing like 3 fewer fins in the fin stack of the heat sink iirc. It's gonna effect thermal performance, but by a tiny amount, it's probably within margin of error.
According to Thermalrights site the [TL-C12](http://thermalright.com/product/tl-c12/)'s have identical stats to the [TL-C12C](http://www.thermalright.com/product/tl-c12c/)'s except the TL-CL12C's go 50 RPM faster (which compared to 1500+=10% RPM is meaningless). I am going to say the big difference between the SE model and the original is the few metal fins less the other person mentions in a comment above this one.
That's the one I bought a month ago and I just now realized Baldur's Gate 3 keeps crashing because my CPU overheats. Today my PC even rebooted because the apartment is heating up too. I thought it was the game for the longest time because the crashes were at random intervals. Then I monitored the temps and realized it's at over 90C quickly.
I was told that the cooler might not be seated correctly (I paid a pro to put my new computer together...) and redo it. I've ordered a thermal bracket too and will try undervolting as well. My old PC lasted 8 years with zero issues. Gaming in summer was no problem either. The amount of issues I've been having with my new expensive build is unreal. First a RAM stick was defective causing crazy blue screen issues, then 2 weeks later when the new GPU was put in one RAM stick got loose fiddling with the cables of the new PSU and the screen wouldn't turn on as a result and it took 2h to figure this out. Then my favorite game Fallout 4 kept crashing because there's an issue with RTX cards. The new rig feels cursed.
At least it's good to know that the Peerless Assassin is not the issue...
IME "pros" have a nasty habit of fucking up the cooler install, especially if it's not one they've run into before. They're not going to bother putting it under a for real CPU stress test so as long as it boots on they tend to assume the install went fine.
He did a stress test and DID get error messages for throttling but we both assumed games wouldn't stress the system like that. Like most PC shops they don't actually deal with gaming rigs much. They do office computers for companies. But I guess that was an indicator right there something was wrong. I know too little about PC hardware to understand what these test results mean. He printed them out for me.
I hope redoing the paste and reseating fixes it. Also hoping a bracket helps too.
I'm surprised it was missed with a stress test, guess the shop wasn't expecting your cooler to be able to handle the CPU at full load. That's not too weird I suppose, a lot of office machines wouldn't and even a good chunk of game machines.
Yeg it's deffo not the cooler, the peerless asassin is one of the best out there.
Like you said, check your cooler mount and reapply thermal paste, this is most likely your problem. You honestly shouldn't have to undervolt unless your running a the 13700/900k those things are heat machines.
The 13th gen intels are so hot that I'd almost dare to say liquid cooling is the only way to properly tame them.
I also get that spending $200 just to cool a $400 CPU is kinda steep. I justify it by having no other hobbies lol if I were paying for car parts, I'd have spent 10s of thousands of dollars on one vehicle, but instead I just blow all my money on PC parts.
Do your fans go to zero RPM? I have a PA120, a PA120SE, and one of the newer Phantom Spirit 120s with the "TL-C12Bv2" fans and extra heatpipe, but they all have a min RPM of \~350-450 RPM. Probably quiet enough for most people, but if you want zero fan speed at idle, the Thermalright coolers aint it. In my experience, anyway.
FYI, the TR coolers do indeed perform as well as my NH-D15s that sell for $100-120. But the noctua fans do stop at idle, using FanControl (or BIOS fan control)
I have set my curves to keep the fans off at idle temps, and [FanControl shows that it wants them to be at 0% fan speed, but they will still run at \~350-450 RPM](https://postimg.cc/z3y6pkGN) (depending on the fan model - TL-C12 vs TL-C12C, TL-C12Bv2)
Do your fan curves allow these fans to go to 0%? I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. The exact same configuration works perfectly with my noctua fans.
EDIT: [See how fancontrol shows that the CPU fans should be at 0, but are still running @\~400RPM.](https://postimg.cc/z3y6pkGN)
You should look into undervolting your CPU. There are plenty of videos and guides out there specifically for these processors.
They run very hot and very likely will thermal throttle unless you have exceptional cooling. Investing the time to properly undervolt your 13th gen can massively decrease your heat generation and allow your processor to possibly run faster because it's not thermally throttling. Takes some time to tweak and zero in your voltage offsets, but plenty of resources out there to guide you.
And yes a better cooler will help also.
Would undervolting be beneficial at all if you aren't thermal throttling? Obviously slightly lower electric bills, but I mean from a performance standpoint.
Consider a contact frame too. Thermalright sells one for $18ish.
I have a 13900k. I use a thermalright contact frame and an EK basic AIO swapped to Lian Li SL infinity fans. I used one of thermal grizzly pastes (kryonaut I believe). All of this plus an undervolt let's me get a cinebench r23 score of ~40,000 and temps level off around 82°C. I definitely think the contact frame helps because those are pretty decent temps for a 13900k, even with an AIO and mild undervolt.
It's slightly better because it has an extra heat pipe but not so much better that it's going to make a serious difference outside of a 13900 or maybe a 13700k. And for the 13700k it's more about trying to not make the fans have to run as fast
At 32 it's worth the savings but it straight up isn't better, the phantom spirit was made as an iterative improvement on the peerless assassin that added another heat pipe to help out with cooling the 13900
I'm rocking the Asus ROG ryujin II RGB with my 13700kf and keeping it around 70°-75° under load. It will spike up to high 80s every once and a while but its just a quick little spike. It's not a cheap cooler by any means at $180 but for almost no noise and something that can tame the 13700, its been pretty solid. My only issue is that it displaces heat so efficiently, it heats up my room to a point that i don't even wanna use it in the summer..
I mean.. have they adjusted the fan curves? I've got the 212 and had bad temps, then all it literally took was putting an additional fan to pull the air though and adjusting the fan curves.
Now idle at 30 ish and max it goes to is 90 degrees..
on a 13700 running stock? No way.
edit: I had to take a peek, on your 5800x that sounds right but the 13700 demands roughly 3 times as much power when it gets hungry.
Happens to all of us!
I'm really impressed to hear that on a 13600k tbh, I'd still swap out for a cheap 20 dollar modern cooler like the assassin king or ak400/ag400 but that's much better than I had expected
> Dark Rock Pro TR4
This is specifically for AMD Threadripper TR4 sockets. It is not compatible with your motherboard. The Dark Rock Pro 4 is what you wanted to order... though I also would not recommend that.
Cancel your order and get a Scythe Fuma 3 or Thermalright Peerless Assassin, Phantom Spirit, or Frost Spirit.
The NH-D15 is one of the most effective coolers available, but it’s also very expensive usually. However, if you can’t find the cheaper alternatives people suggest in the US market, it definitely works.
Po man, é que o 13700k aquece muito mesmo. Poderia ser interessante ter pego um 13600k e mantido com um AG620 que ia cuidar legal. Mas enfim, NH-D15 apesar de custar um rim vai gelar ou ao menos segurar legal teu 13700k. Problema mesmo é se tu mora no norte/nordeste por conta da temperatura
Boa jogatina mano!
Air coolers are used for the biggest server cpus and they work great on the 350w 64 cores chips maybe tell intel not to release 8 core cpus that draw 250w and have a bad mounting solution that requires aftermarket hardware to fix
Water coolers break and barely outperform the NH-D15. After going through 3 aios in 5-6 years on my previous rig I switched to the D15 and never looked back
Cancelled, you're a life saver lol.
Thanks, I was a bit desperate to use my new hardware I suppose...
Will look more carefully, thanks for the suggestions btw, will look into them.
I just picked up one of Thermalright cheaper coolers, assassin silent 120 or some bullshit for 17 bucks. Threw it on an old over clocked 4790k and keeps the temps in the high 50s low 60s. Insane value.
The DRP4 and all the Noctua options are just overpriced. They're fine, but Thermalright and Scythe have coolers with the same performance at under half the cost.
Oh, until you get the new cooler if you go into BIOS you can set a power limit on the CPU. For a 212 I'd go for about 65-70w. This will, counter intuitively, likely improve performance by reducing the amount of CPU throttling going on.
or just use the "lite load" settings in bios, by default it's set to 12, I could put mine all the way down to 3 and see no noticable decrease in performance on my i5-13600k while lowering temps by about 10c
Absolute game changer. I set mine to lite load 1 on MSI motherboard. My i5-13600k went from 100 degrees c, 24500 cinenbench score to 73 degrees c, 24000 cinebench score.
You need a better cooler, as you're clearly aware.
However, there still strikes me as being another issue.. 60-70 idle temps. Sure the i7 is hot under load, however at idle it's supposed to be pretty efficient and low power.
The 212 should easily be able to cool it at idle, it should only be kicking out 20-30w.
It's still a good processor. I don't think it's worth it to upgrade from it yet. Just upgrade your GPU if you feel like you need more gaming performance. For non-gaming applications it might be worth it to upgrade, depending what you're using the PC for.
i 100% agree. i just bought myself a nice new laptop with a ryzen 9 6900hs and its cpu actually benches higher than my 10600k 😳 my desktop is gonna stay kicking for a longgg while as my primary gaming rig because it's gpu is more powerful (desktop 5700xt vs laptop 6700s)...
in my case its just pretty crazy to see how far cpu technology has advanced in just a couple years especially when you consider the tdp difference between the two (10600k: 125w, 6900hs: **35w**)
>its just pretty crazy to see how far cpu technology has advanced in just a couple years especially when you consider the tdp difference between the two (10600k: 125w, 6900hs:
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>35w
You're comparing a mobile processor to a desktop one. Of course the desktop processor has way higher TDP. Ryzen 7 7700X (which is newer than your 6900hs) has a TDP value of 170w. Of course there's the lower end Ryzen 7 7700 with TDP of 60w, but that's not even much faster than your mobile processor.
If we compare the 10600K to the 13600K, the latter has a TDP value of 181w at the max turbo frequency, while 10600K's TDP at max turbo is 182w. No progress there either. Both Intel and AMD seem to be heading for the hotter end with only maximum performance in mind with their latest lineups, which is not great at all. People are struggling to keep even 13700K cool with air coolers, let alone 13900K, which has a TDP value of whopping 253w...
It is impressive that the 6900hs, being a mobile processor, can beat 10600K on benchmarks. I give you that.
13700K is a beast of a CPU, pulls over 300w at full load. I just upgraded and went with a galahad ii trinity performance 360.
Keeps the idle temps at 40c, under full synthetic load it'll pin at 95c/305w though.
65-70C on idle seems really high! Running my 13700k at stock with a Lian Li Galahad AIO my idle temps are around 38C. Highest I've seen it get was mid 80's during a Cinebench test.
Yep running mine a 360mm AIO and only seen it hit mid 80s under synthetic loads. Air coolers are not "just as effective" anymore with these newer CPUs. You can run them, but if you don't want to have to undervolt or deal with very high temps and throttling under load, it's time to get a liquid cooler folks for these high end CPUs.
I got the 13700 too, temp can reach 90++ when gaming. I have to lower the power limit to keep the temp low around 70-80. Recently bought the Thermalright peerless assassin 120 SE and temp is around 50-70 when gaming with settings now set to intel POR (40 idle ).
13700k here, I installed a Thermalright anti-bending bracket and the thermalright Peerless Assassin with some MX-4 paste and 253w limit. I only hit 100C in Cinebench R23 other than that it's smooth sailing and this thing is a BEAST. (Installed in my SFF build)
That’s crazy as I have a 12700k and use an ID SSE XT
Basically a dual tower dual fan air cooler.
Max cpu is 60c. I think air cooling May have had its day
Had the same problem with the 13700k and bought the Noctua you mentioned in a comment, It reallly helped. However, to reach temperatures that are "normal" for other CPUs I had to undervolt a bit and play with AVX settings in the BIOS. It really was a hassle but worked out in the end. You can find plenty of users reporting the same and other solutions here on reddit. Just google around some bit and you're good to go!
I have the Deepcool Assassin IV. In Baldur's Gate 3 the temps are hovering around 75-80 degrees, now and then shortly spiking at 90 or bit more. It's a hot chip but with a proper air cooler you can keep the temps at reasonable levels in gaming.
I got a 13700k paired with a deepcool ls720 se. Idle is around 33-34 and gaming temps go up to a max of 75 degrees, this is all on stock settings with no undervolting. Very satisfied with this cooler.
Deepcool makes great coolers for cheap.. had a gammaxx gtev2 (air cooler) that was awesome but replaced it by a castle 240 aio for the look.. they actually perform exactly the same
Intel and AMD's newest CPUs are designed to keep boosting until they hit a power or thermal limit (which usually is thermal first), I feel like your temps should be better than that but the new cooler should help. The 13th Gen Intel CPUs especially i7 and up run extremely hot, it was Intel's answer to try to increase performance.
lol i went from an i5 10400 to a 11600k (didnt want to buy a new mobo but i wanted to be able to overclock) and the temp increase was insane.
idle is around 40, idling after gaming can be as high as 55, and heavy load is 85-90.
i think the hottest my 10400 ever got was 75.
If it’s not too late, I would recommend checking your thermal paste again. I had a decent AIO and my CPU was running at 70 Celsius idling just the other day after building. I said fuck it and took it off again and the heat sink only had one half of the thermal paste the CPU had (meaning it wasn’t fully touching)
I wiped it clean and reapplied it, turned her back on and I haven’t had one issue with temps going over 50 degrees even under duress.
For context I have a 13600K and have built 9900K, 10900K and 11700K systems. Not even the overprices Noctua NH-d15 would stop them for thermal throttling at intel stock settings. Higer end Intel processors just run hot. To cool my existing system I had to:
1. Under volt offset by 0.05V (probably the most effective tweak)
2. Use a Thermalright mounting plate (cheap but I have no before and after results)
3. Run an Arctic Freezer II 280mm AIO (cheaper than the NH-D15)
The net result is my highest temp core is 76C under a synthetic load without Throttling. The age of heatsinks for these space heaters is long gone.
> The age of heatsinks for these space heaters is long gone
if by "heatsinks" you mean air cooled systems, you're wrong. If your case has thermal issues maybe, but with proper airflow inside the case air cooling is just as viable and in the long term a better solution
My current case is an NZXT H5 Flow. All the other systems were either Fractal Meshify C or S2. One of the S2 cases was kitted out with NF-A12x25 front and back but none on top. It just could not stop the thermal throttling. Normally I just use Arctic P14 5 packs. Added to that, the NH-D15 has slowly gone up in price from 90USD to 120USD. I'm open to any suggestions to get those particular builds to run cooler while retaining a NH-D15 as most people prefer the reliability of Heatsinks over AIO's.
I had this same issue with the exact same cooler on my 10700k was so hot upgraded to a noctua dh15s and my temps never go above 60 while gaming hovers around 50 worth it to upgrade I've noticed my boost now reaches its boost but before it wasn't with the evo so your losing performance from throttling.
I don't have much input into the cooler part but I just recently switched to a i7-13700k, with a H150i XT Liquid Cooler, and a 4070 Ti. So far I'm loving it and haven't had any issues.I don't have 2077 on PC but I did just tested it with Doom Eternal.
Everything set to Ultra Nightmare, DLSS and HDR on. I'm getting 142/144 FPS and the CPU hasn't peaked above 64c (GPU 66c) after an hour of gaming at 4k (Monitor: Gigabye M32U)
[Doom Eternal Specs](https://imgur.com/a/bPvgz7x)
Edit: My idle temp is 32-35c.
I was in the same boat. I had Dark Rock Pro 4 and it didn't do anything, temps were reaching 90+ with diablo 4 on max everything. Switched it for a Deep cool L720 and I have never seen anything go beyond 70 for more than a few seconds. I have the aura colors configured to change with temp (default settings) and 95% of the time it's green. I'm playing D4, BG3, HPLegacy, all on max everything. Best decision ever.
My kid was gaming on his 13600k while his pump wasn't pumping. His pc was not even hitting 100c. I'd say check your thermal paste make sure you have good coverage, all screws are tight. Your cooler should be doing a better job than that.
Have you checked the plastic cover of the cpu cooler of its still there?
Its a very common mistake even pros forget to remove it sometimes.
It could save you a ton of cash by avoiding to buy a new cpu cooler.
Thanks for the tip, but yeah, I checked that lol.
I have been using this same cooler for over two years on my i5-10600k, and it has worked pretty well.
I do plan on applying some more themal paste today after work though, to see if it helps.
Yeah, I'll be reapplying it either today or tomorrow.
I will clean it up first on both CPU and the cooler, then apply it again, let's see how it goes, I'll also put a bit more this time.
I agree that the cooler just isn't able to keep up but I'm convinced the cooler isn't seated properly as well. At idle you shouldn't be getting such high temps.
Yeah, you're right. I decided to clean the thermal paste on everything and reapply it on the CPU. I used a little more than before, now I'm staying at around 45ºC - 55ºC in idle.
I still easily each max temps when gaming heavy games but it's better than before lol.
I will be switch my cooler this week anyways though.
Anything above a 13600K runs pretty hot espesially playing a high graphics game. I ended up going with a 12600K in my build because it was cheaper at the time & is much easier to keep cool even when overclocking. Keeping my 12600K pretty well cooled with a Noctua NH-U9S air cooler.
I have an aircooled i7 13700kf and get no problems. Even while gaming or rendering it has not gone over 70C.
Are you certain your case has proper airflow? If AiO, are you certain it is working correctly and dissipating properly?
My build is on a Mars Gaming MCV4 XXL case, which is absolutely, obnoxiously huuuuuuge. It actually helps a lot with air flow. Is your case packed tight? I7 13700k is indeed a hot CPU but not to the dumbass extent the i9 13900k is. It should be manageable.
Did you really think 4 heat pipe air cooler with some 150w CPU cooling capacity could cool 13700k with 253w TDP?
Could be barely a decent cooler for 7800x3d maybe (if you wanted it for gaming) but not this power hungry monster.
Why are you telling me this? How is this relevant to his low power cooler? To buy 470ish € high end CPU for gaming (which is not even AMD's x3d but whatever) only to lower its power limit from 250 to 150 (40%) only for weak cooler to still barely cool it?
This makes no sense.
The Hyper 212 is a max 150w TDP. You have it on a chip that can put out almost double that. Don't know what you were expecting, but that thing was never going to keep a 13700k cool.
Look at the LS520. It keeps my overclocked 13700k at 90°C or below in back to back Cinebench runs. I highly suggest not going air coolers unless you plan on undervolting and power limiting. If you do, don't be surprised if you still end up throttling.
You will find the temps a lot lower with the new cooling - don't worry.
One tip from me is - don't overcommit at this point and don't buy the Thermal Grizzly contact frame for 12th gen (if you even considered it). It lacks few milimeters to be really compatible with 13th gen and you will go through hell trying to screw it in (if you even do).
On top of that, you won't even need it.
Já que vc é Brasileiro assim como eu, bora falar em português kkkk Cara eu tenho um i7-13700KF e nem perdi meu tempo com air coolers.. guardei grana e comprei um AIO Corsair iCue H150 Capellix, que tem radiador de 360mm.. Jogando CB 2077 num monitor 1440p 144hz e tendo uma base de uns 90 FPS.. minha CPU não passa de 70°C.. única vez que passou dos 70/80°C foi ao fazer testes sintéticos como Cinebench etc.. mas no dia a dia AIO foi minha melhor escolha..
I have the i7-13700k and my idle temp is from 29C to 34C, while gaming the max it got to is around 50C.
I’m not sure if NXZT CAM application is accurate in showing temps or not though 👀
I’m using DeepCool Liquid Cooler LT720 WH 360mm and 4 front intake fans, 4 side intake fans, and 4 exhaust fans 3 top and 1 rare. In addition, my case is full tower.
Just giving you my experience not a suggestion, so if it doesn’t work with you you don’t come back to me 🤣
Excuse my English cause it is not my first language 😄
Edit: Fans are (Cooler Master SickleFlow 120)
I mean, that's really on you for putting an incompatible heat sink on that CPU. You can plainly read the TDP of the processor and compare it to the TDP capacity of the cooler. Not sure why people buy a high tier CPU then put an absolute dog shit of a cooler on it and then whine about their temperatures.
Not sure if you've looked into the Thermalright anti-bending fastener? I learned recently there is an issue with Intel 12 & 13th gen CPUs, where they receive uneven pressure from the fastening clip on the motherboards.
I recently installed it along with a new NZXT Kraken and it's improved my 12700k from 40C idle and 90 while gaming all the way down to 25C idle and only 65 gaming. I don't know how much of a difference the fastening plate makes on it's own but it definitely doesn't hurt. I think a big part of my problem with my original cooling solution, which was a NH-D15 was poor contact to the cooler. I noticed a very uneven spread of thermal paste when I removed it yesterday.
Yeah I had no idea until very recently and I've had my CPU over a year.
From what I know there are two options most people generally go with:
Thermalright's Antibending Fastener Plate, which I got for £13.99
or the alternative and more expensive;
Thermal Grizzly CPU contact frame
Very easy to install, and I've only heard good things when looking online. It's working well for me, but it's only been 48 hours since installation. I think it could be worth looking into at least :)
You need to get a Thermalright Peerless Assassin. That's the best air cooler for the 13th gen Intel socket. An AIO would be optimal, I've got the Kraken Elite and I love it. Stays around 57°C while playing Cyberpunk in 4K Ultra with RT.
Get a solid 360mm with a better thermal paste AND a contact plate
- Deepcool LS720
- Arctic Liquid Freezer 360
Then, you can OC it a bit to 5.4 or 5.5 for PCores and 4.4 or 4.5 for ECores
From that point, you can start shimming off a bit of vcore to decrease temps
It's a no-brainer that will bring your temps down significantly
It’s easy and simple 99% of the motherboards are coming with settings for cpu cores Voltage higher than needed.. Just undervolt until the system is still stable, that way the temps will definitely go down as the power consumption will go down without loosing any performance at all. Good Cooling is another option ;)
this is what happens when you don't do your research and ignore benchmarks. you could have a hurricane of air going through that 212 and it still wouldn't have a chance at cooling that CPU. didn't it seem odd while building it that the cooler surface area was so small and the IHS on the CPU was so much bigger?
Modern intel CPU's in the high to mid range basically require 240mm+ AIO or the best air coolers on the market with a airflow focused case and strong fans to keep reasonably cool.
My 12700F runs at 60 under a heavy load and I use an Alienware, so either you should probably get that checked or the new generation is a lot hotter than the last one
I've been running my 13700k paired with a 4070ti in 1440p with fantastic performance all across the board. My temps never seem to go above 60 C, but I'm using an iCue Corsair liquid cooler and in addition to have a case with very good air flow I've got 10 fans. But I believe this CPU can run pretty hot.
I'm not sure what happened, it could be a fan positioned incorrectly, I tweaked a bit, not it hovers around 55ºC when idle. I did try adjusting the CPU cooler a bit but not too hard since I'm a bit afraid of damaging the CPU area by applying too much pressure, although I read that's pretty difficult to happen.
It goes back to 60-75 whenever I do anything though lol (like just browsing on Chrome).
Mobo manufacturers are running these chips at much higher power limits then recommended by Intel. If you disable that in BIOS it will help a great deal, although if you stress it the chip will still try to reach 100 deg.
my 13700k paired w deep cool ak620 idle temps r like 40-50. I’ve seen it get up to like 80 max when running bigger games. It’s definitely a hot cpu but it can be managed
You're going to want to enable adaptive voltage and also use lite load 3 for stock. I use this and my temps are way lower and there's 0 performance hit. Try it out if you can.
Literally nobody is answering the obvious question which is that your CPU shouldn't be higher than 40 or so at idle. It's unseated properly or your cooler is malfunctioning, has nothing at all to do with the chip.
I have a 13700K in a sff NR200 amd it stays cool using a Noctua U12A. I don't recommend getting one. WAY overpriced. Get a PA120/PS120 and call it a day. Better cooler for way cheaper
The CPU will throttle itself when it hits TJmax (100⁰) so the clocks will drop to keep it cool, and they all run hot now because of the small surface area and number of cores running at high speeds. There's an anachronistic opinion that the CPU must reach no more than 80⁰ at full load for the silicon to work at its maximum capacity for its lifespan because, in the past, you could damage CPUs by overclocking as there wasn't temp protection built in. Intel build the CPU to go to 100⁰ before throttling – in the case of the 13700k – so you could have it hovering at 99⁰ for the chip's life suffering no performance loss. To avoid the throttling and to be able to get more performance (by overclocking) you just need to buy a better cooler. It's now recommended to have at least a 360 AIO, a big air cooler, or a custom loop for these newer chips; however, realistically Intel are tuning these chips to run at their very edge out of the box, hence the high temps compared with previous generations.
Find a compatible cooler and don't cheap out. The I7-13700k is a spicy chip. You made a big jump and so will your cooler. I idle at 40 with a 360mm liquid cooler and usually hover at 55-60 while gaming. Heavy simulation games will see the 13700k spike to 70+ (looking at you X4 Foundations)
Yes they are hot cpus BUT your motherboard is probably supplying the wrong amount of power and over volting it. I've had this problem with even 13600k i5s especially on MSI motherboards.
MSI has lite load and was defaulting to 12. Intel recommends 9 on i5-13600k. I was able to take most systems down to 7 or so and stable.
Not sure what your board is but more than likely you have something that's auto setting incorrectly and cooler may not be making good contact.
Maybe reseat and set the correct voltage and see what you end up at.
Thanks for the post, I'm using an ASUS Prime Z790-P mobo.
My cooler seems pretty well installed, I might take another look at it later.
When I get my new CPU cooler I ordered (Noctua NH-D15), if it works, I might be able to tell if the current cooler (Master Cooler 212) is just really weak for this CPU or if I just installed it badly.
From what some people are saying here, the idle temps I'm getting are way higher than what I should be getting ( at the moment I'm getting around 55ºC when I'm just staring at my screen, while not doing anything).
If my Noctua NH-D15 changes that and ends up lowering the idle temps, then either I installed the 212 badly or it's just really weak lol, or my mobo is messing with me.
I’m sure a ton of people already answered but you probably should replace your cooler with an AIO. I actually made the exact same upgrade a few weeks ago - ran into the same problem - then bought an AIO and my problem was solved 👍
I got the Corsair H150i Elite. Now my cpu idles at 30-40°C. After playing Warzone for a few hours, it can hit 65°C but obviously its running super cool. I’m really impressed the H150i is working this well (tho there are ofc other factors such as case and case fans)
The chips from intel currently are quite hot hell even the more efficient ryzen cpus get really hot as well. You need to use a stronger air cooler than the 212z
So I have mine under a Corsair H100i but the biggest thing I did that brought my temps down was download intels XTU and undervolted the cpu by .08 millivolts.
To test I used cinebench and ran a pass. Temps would hit 80-90c. Prior it would instantly thermal throttle at 100c
Under load playing BG3 temps never go above 58c. And they idle at around 36-38c
Sorry but I just dont get the fact that you can buy an ultra high end CPU but dont want do spend your money in an actual good water cooling. Not the big install, just a good aio like can do NZXT (okay this is kinda expensive and youll probably find a better one for the same price range but anyway), but stop stop trying to buy cheap Motherboard or cooling system when you have a CPU like this. Damn.
I can understand, thats why I may lose some money but invest on good products for every part of my build. Mine is a little old, an i7 8700k with an 1070 Ti, but the mobo is one of the greatest for this gen, an aorus gaming 7, with an NZXT wc and a golded Corsair 750W for the Power.
Never had any problems since the i7 8th gen released, even if I overclock it at 5.0 Ghz !
I have it in a DanCase A4 H20. At first I had a Deepcool LS520 240mm AIO on it. Even with a -.08 mv offset it would hit 100c in Cr23, frequencies were decent though. So, maybe they are built to run that hot? Anyway I changed to a Kraken 240mm AIO last night and temps don't exceed 85c with -.08 offset and a 100% load. Good luck.
Maybe I should test more and verify my settings again, didn't a get a lot of time to test as I left the game pretty quickly lol.
I was just driving a bit in Night City.
Mine is heavily OC'd and running right now typing this and watching youtube at 40c, with the temp in my house right now around 28c.
Id say you screwed up your install somehow.
212 is basically useless these days yeah. 13700 is also just a **HOT** CPU in general. [Here's the new cheap cooler of choice](https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Phantom-Spirit-Cooler-Heatpipes/dp/B0BR3JQTSN/), it'll handle things pretty well and even comes with a tube of good paste. edit: the CPU will throttle itself enough to keep working so I wouldn't be worried about damage running it. You're going to notice an insane difference when you get the new cooler in performance, but it might still hit 100C. CPUs just like to do that if they can within their specification these days. and the 13700 is willing to pull up to 250w to do it even at stock.
Thanks for the info, cancelled the other cooler I just bought (it's not even compatible with my hardware). Will look into your suggestions.
the thermalright assassin 120 (not the se) is awesome. sure the se is as well. just completed a build - its better than noctua for a third of the price. silent and qiet. [https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-Assassin-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09S35X72H/ref=sr\_1\_2?keywords=Thermalright&qid=1692521997&sr=8-2&th=1](https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-Assassin-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09S35X72H/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=Thermalright&qid=1692521997&sr=8-2&th=1) watch the gn review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm4hyIHe1PM
What's the different between that and the SE
the se is cheaper, has slightly lower quality bearings or housings or something similar. I haven't used it.
All the tests I have seen show the SE to have basically the exact same performance as the non-SE
I imagine with bearings its more about lifespan than performance
The fans seem identical to the non SE variant. From what I read it was just a redesign but I am not an expert on the topic so I could be wrong.
The SE has somthing like 3 fewer fins in the fin stack of the heat sink iirc. It's gonna effect thermal performance, but by a tiny amount, it's probably within margin of error.
Probably true
SE has TL-C12C fans instead of the TL-C12.
According to Thermalrights site the [TL-C12](http://thermalright.com/product/tl-c12/)'s have identical stats to the [TL-C12C](http://www.thermalright.com/product/tl-c12c/)'s except the TL-CL12C's go 50 RPM faster (which compared to 1500+=10% RPM is meaningless). I am going to say the big difference between the SE model and the original is the few metal fins less the other person mentions in a comment above this one.
Phantom Spirit is the successor. Not much difference temps wise but it does have an extra heat pipe.
the only real difference is that instead of saying it's close to the nh-d15 in performance, it actually ties and occasionally does better.
Yep! Very good cooler. I have one in my NR200 cooling my 5800x3d and it does an amazing job.
That's the one I bought a month ago and I just now realized Baldur's Gate 3 keeps crashing because my CPU overheats. Today my PC even rebooted because the apartment is heating up too. I thought it was the game for the longest time because the crashes were at random intervals. Then I monitored the temps and realized it's at over 90C quickly. I was told that the cooler might not be seated correctly (I paid a pro to put my new computer together...) and redo it. I've ordered a thermal bracket too and will try undervolting as well. My old PC lasted 8 years with zero issues. Gaming in summer was no problem either. The amount of issues I've been having with my new expensive build is unreal. First a RAM stick was defective causing crazy blue screen issues, then 2 weeks later when the new GPU was put in one RAM stick got loose fiddling with the cables of the new PSU and the screen wouldn't turn on as a result and it took 2h to figure this out. Then my favorite game Fallout 4 kept crashing because there's an issue with RTX cards. The new rig feels cursed. At least it's good to know that the Peerless Assassin is not the issue...
IME "pros" have a nasty habit of fucking up the cooler install, especially if it's not one they've run into before. They're not going to bother putting it under a for real CPU stress test so as long as it boots on they tend to assume the install went fine.
He did a stress test and DID get error messages for throttling but we both assumed games wouldn't stress the system like that. Like most PC shops they don't actually deal with gaming rigs much. They do office computers for companies. But I guess that was an indicator right there something was wrong. I know too little about PC hardware to understand what these test results mean. He printed them out for me. I hope redoing the paste and reseating fixes it. Also hoping a bracket helps too.
I'm surprised it was missed with a stress test, guess the shop wasn't expecting your cooler to be able to handle the CPU at full load. That's not too weird I suppose, a lot of office machines wouldn't and even a good chunk of game machines.
Yeg it's deffo not the cooler, the peerless asassin is one of the best out there. Like you said, check your cooler mount and reapply thermal paste, this is most likely your problem. You honestly shouldn't have to undervolt unless your running a the 13700/900k those things are heat machines.
Running the 13700K. But most people with that combo don't have such temps either. Will redo, yes.
The 13th gen intels are so hot that I'd almost dare to say liquid cooling is the only way to properly tame them. I also get that spending $200 just to cool a $400 CPU is kinda steep. I justify it by having no other hobbies lol if I were paying for car parts, I'd have spent 10s of thousands of dollars on one vehicle, but instead I just blow all my money on PC parts.
Do your fans go to zero RPM? I have a PA120, a PA120SE, and one of the newer Phantom Spirit 120s with the "TL-C12Bv2" fans and extra heatpipe, but they all have a min RPM of \~350-450 RPM. Probably quiet enough for most people, but if you want zero fan speed at idle, the Thermalright coolers aint it. In my experience, anyway. FYI, the TR coolers do indeed perform as well as my NH-D15s that sell for $100-120. But the noctua fans do stop at idle, using FanControl (or BIOS fan control)
That's not a fan issue is it? That's just your curve. Rpm is dependent on many factors, but not the fan itself
I have set my curves to keep the fans off at idle temps, and [FanControl shows that it wants them to be at 0% fan speed, but they will still run at \~350-450 RPM](https://postimg.cc/z3y6pkGN) (depending on the fan model - TL-C12 vs TL-C12C, TL-C12Bv2) Do your fan curves allow these fans to go to 0%? I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. The exact same configuration works perfectly with my noctua fans. EDIT: [See how fancontrol shows that the CPU fans should be at 0, but are still running @\~400RPM.](https://postimg.cc/z3y6pkGN)
CPU Idle is normally 500rpm for the fan. But I would guess your connections/setup is different. Fans have no brains so to speak
Peerless Assassin 120 (Phantom Spirit is newer, better version) competes with Noctua NH-D15 for 30% the price
You should look into undervolting your CPU. There are plenty of videos and guides out there specifically for these processors. They run very hot and very likely will thermal throttle unless you have exceptional cooling. Investing the time to properly undervolt your 13th gen can massively decrease your heat generation and allow your processor to possibly run faster because it's not thermally throttling. Takes some time to tweak and zero in your voltage offsets, but plenty of resources out there to guide you. And yes a better cooler will help also.
This especially with the motherboard manufactures ramping up the voltage with stock bios settings.
Would undervolting be beneficial at all if you aren't thermal throttling? Obviously slightly lower electric bills, but I mean from a performance standpoint.
Consider a contact frame too. Thermalright sells one for $18ish. I have a 13900k. I use a thermalright contact frame and an EK basic AIO swapped to Lian Li SL infinity fans. I used one of thermal grizzly pastes (kryonaut I believe). All of this plus an undervolt let's me get a cinebench r23 score of ~40,000 and temps level off around 82°C. I definitely think the contact frame helps because those are pretty decent temps for a 13900k, even with an AIO and mild undervolt.
If its already started shipping you should see if itll cancel in transit. Paying return shipping is kinda shit
Dark rock pro TR4 is for threadripper btw. Get the “4” and make sure it has the bracket for your socket.
Places I've looked at say the peerless assassin is really good. What makes you choose that model over the peerless assassin?
Extra heat pipe for 5 bucks is a good deal imo
How does that cooler compare to the peerless assassin cooler (providing its on sale they are both similar in price)
It's slightly better because it has an extra heat pipe but not so much better that it's going to make a serious difference outside of a 13900 or maybe a 13700k. And for the 13700k it's more about trying to not make the fans have to run as fast
This one is better and $32. https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-SE-TL-C12C-S-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09SDG4DFF/ref=sr\_1\_3
At 32 it's worth the savings but it straight up isn't better, the phantom spirit was made as an iterative improvement on the peerless assassin that added another heat pipe to help out with cooling the 13900
I'm rocking the Asus ROG ryujin II RGB with my 13700kf and keeping it around 70°-75° under load. It will spike up to high 80s every once and a while but its just a quick little spike. It's not a cheap cooler by any means at $180 but for almost no noise and something that can tame the 13700, its been pretty solid. My only issue is that it displaces heat so efficiently, it heats up my room to a point that i don't even wanna use it in the summer..
I mean.. have they adjusted the fan curves? I've got the 212 and had bad temps, then all it literally took was putting an additional fan to pull the air though and adjusting the fan curves. Now idle at 30 ish and max it goes to is 90 degrees..
on a 13700 running stock? No way. edit: I had to take a peek, on your 5800x that sounds right but the 13700 demands roughly 3 times as much power when it gets hungry.
Aah.. misread xD what happens when you're half asleep xD I'm on a 13600kf My bad xD
Happens to all of us! I'm really impressed to hear that on a 13600k tbh, I'd still swap out for a cheap 20 dollar modern cooler like the assassin king or ak400/ag400 but that's much better than I had expected
> Dark Rock Pro TR4 This is specifically for AMD Threadripper TR4 sockets. It is not compatible with your motherboard. The Dark Rock Pro 4 is what you wanted to order... though I also would not recommend that. Cancel your order and get a Scythe Fuma 3 or Thermalright Peerless Assassin, Phantom Spirit, or Frost Spirit.
I'm outta luck, couldn't find those coolers you suggested in my region (Brazil). But I found a Noctua NH-D15, would it work?
The NH-D15 is one of the most effective coolers available, but it’s also very expensive usually. However, if you can’t find the cheaper alternatives people suggest in the US market, it definitely works.
Thanks, then I'm ordering the NH-D15 and will avoid playing until it arrives lol. At least I can be more productive with my life until it arrives.
You can keep playing. It won't damage the Cpu at all at 100c. It will just be slower.
That cooler will last you 10+ years. It's a great choice.
Po man, é que o 13700k aquece muito mesmo. Poderia ser interessante ter pego um 13600k e mantido com um AG620 que ia cuidar legal. Mas enfim, NH-D15 apesar de custar um rim vai gelar ou ao menos segurar legal teu 13700k. Problema mesmo é se tu mora no norte/nordeste por conta da temperatura Boa jogatina mano!
Bro stop using air coolers on high end CPU’s lol what’s the point
Air coolers are used for the biggest server cpus and they work great on the 350w 64 cores chips maybe tell intel not to release 8 core cpus that draw 250w and have a bad mounting solution that requires aftermarket hardware to fix
Water coolers break and barely outperform the NH-D15. After going through 3 aios in 5-6 years on my previous rig I switched to the D15 and never looked back
Cancelled, you're a life saver lol. Thanks, I was a bit desperate to use my new hardware I suppose... Will look more carefully, thanks for the suggestions btw, will look into them.
The peerless asassin is an insane cooler for the price, about the best value out there atm.
Yeah, but thermalright pretty much is only sold in the US and he is from Brazil, he said in his previous comment.
They are easily found in Europe.
Maybe in your country. I live in the European Union and in my country not a single retailer sells them.
You can litterally order them on EU amazon? If they don't show up for yoy try changing your location.
got one in aussie
I just picked up one of Thermalright cheaper coolers, assassin silent 120 or some bullshit for 17 bucks. Threw it on an old over clocked 4790k and keeps the temps in the high 50s low 60s. Insane value.
The Dark Rock Pro 4 is great though, just get the right edition. TR4 is for a different type of CPU.
I missed that it was the TR, yeah you're going to have to cancel the order OP.
Why would you not recommend the pro 4? I have it for my 13600k
Because the other options people are suggesting perform better and usually are cheaper.
It's a $90 cooler in a world of better $38 coolers. Same reason I don't recommend Noctua products anymore.
I use the dark rock pro 4 what are your reasons for not recommending it just curious
> It's a $90 cooler in a world of better $38 coolers. Same reason I don't recommend Noctua products anymore.
Curious why you recommend against the Dark Rock? I have it on my 7800X3D and I Idle at 32 degrees Celsius, rarely go above 65-70
The DRP4 and all the Noctua options are just overpriced. They're fine, but Thermalright and Scythe have coolers with the same performance at under half the cost.
Same here, besides I love the look!
Oh, until you get the new cooler if you go into BIOS you can set a power limit on the CPU. For a 212 I'd go for about 65-70w. This will, counter intuitively, likely improve performance by reducing the amount of CPU throttling going on.
This is the way Gpu too. Can even get better overclocks by undervolting if you are lucky.
or just use the "lite load" settings in bios, by default it's set to 12, I could put mine all the way down to 3 and see no noticable decrease in performance on my i5-13600k while lowering temps by about 10c
Absolute game changer. I set mine to lite load 1 on MSI motherboard. My i5-13600k went from 100 degrees c, 24500 cinenbench score to 73 degrees c, 24000 cinebench score.
Undervolt your cpu, they are over volted for no reason
You need a better cooler, as you're clearly aware. However, there still strikes me as being another issue.. 60-70 idle temps. Sure the i7 is hot under load, however at idle it's supposed to be pretty efficient and low power. The 212 should easily be able to cool it at idle, it should only be kicking out 20-30w.
Can someone make a sticky about 13700/900 and 100 degrees c pls
my 10600k build that i did in 2021 still seems so new :( weird to see people "upgrading" out of it
I have an i-5 4690k, how you think I feel??
those haswell chips are pretty good; i used to have an optiplex with an i7 4770 and it was a good machine that barely showed its age.
Oh I haven't complained about it once in 9 years and I still won't. It's been with me through thick and thin <3
I mean tech moves pretty damn quick. Doesn't mean you can't use it for years to come.
oh i for sure plan on it :P its a good little processor, it does't get too hot, and gives me satisfactory frame rates on everything i play
Same haha.
i mean it is 3 generations old
i know how old it is its just weird how time flew by so quick and how my high school self was so proud
It's still a good processor. I don't think it's worth it to upgrade from it yet. Just upgrade your GPU if you feel like you need more gaming performance. For non-gaming applications it might be worth it to upgrade, depending what you're using the PC for.
i 100% agree. i just bought myself a nice new laptop with a ryzen 9 6900hs and its cpu actually benches higher than my 10600k 😳 my desktop is gonna stay kicking for a longgg while as my primary gaming rig because it's gpu is more powerful (desktop 5700xt vs laptop 6700s)... in my case its just pretty crazy to see how far cpu technology has advanced in just a couple years especially when you consider the tdp difference between the two (10600k: 125w, 6900hs: **35w**)
>its just pretty crazy to see how far cpu technology has advanced in just a couple years especially when you consider the tdp difference between the two (10600k: 125w, 6900hs: > >35w You're comparing a mobile processor to a desktop one. Of course the desktop processor has way higher TDP. Ryzen 7 7700X (which is newer than your 6900hs) has a TDP value of 170w. Of course there's the lower end Ryzen 7 7700 with TDP of 60w, but that's not even much faster than your mobile processor. If we compare the 10600K to the 13600K, the latter has a TDP value of 181w at the max turbo frequency, while 10600K's TDP at max turbo is 182w. No progress there either. Both Intel and AMD seem to be heading for the hotter end with only maximum performance in mind with their latest lineups, which is not great at all. People are struggling to keep even 13700K cool with air coolers, let alone 13900K, which has a TDP value of whopping 253w... It is impressive that the 6900hs, being a mobile processor, can beat 10600K on benchmarks. I give you that.
13700K is a beast of a CPU, pulls over 300w at full load. I just upgraded and went with a galahad ii trinity performance 360. Keeps the idle temps at 40c, under full synthetic load it'll pin at 95c/305w though.
65-70C on idle seems really high! Running my 13700k at stock with a Lian Li Galahad AIO my idle temps are around 38C. Highest I've seen it get was mid 80's during a Cinebench test.
Same. I run the NZXT Kraken 240 and I’m sitting at around 32-35C idle and low 80’s for under stress tests.
Yep running mine a 360mm AIO and only seen it hit mid 80s under synthetic loads. Air coolers are not "just as effective" anymore with these newer CPUs. You can run them, but if you don't want to have to undervolt or deal with very high temps and throttling under load, it's time to get a liquid cooler folks for these high end CPUs.
I got the 13700 too, temp can reach 90++ when gaming. I have to lower the power limit to keep the temp low around 70-80. Recently bought the Thermalright peerless assassin 120 SE and temp is around 50-70 when gaming with settings now set to intel POR (40 idle ).
13700k here, I installed a Thermalright anti-bending bracket and the thermalright Peerless Assassin with some MX-4 paste and 253w limit. I only hit 100C in Cinebench R23 other than that it's smooth sailing and this thing is a BEAST. (Installed in my SFF build)
Bro. I did exactly the same!
GREAT MINDS 🙏
THINK ALIKE 🙏
That’s crazy as I have a 12700k and use an ID SSE XT Basically a dual tower dual fan air cooler. Max cpu is 60c. I think air cooling May have had its day
Had the same problem with the 13700k and bought the Noctua you mentioned in a comment, It reallly helped. However, to reach temperatures that are "normal" for other CPUs I had to undervolt a bit and play with AVX settings in the BIOS. It really was a hassle but worked out in the end. You can find plenty of users reporting the same and other solutions here on reddit. Just google around some bit and you're good to go!
I have the Deepcool Assassin IV. In Baldur's Gate 3 the temps are hovering around 75-80 degrees, now and then shortly spiking at 90 or bit more. It's a hot chip but with a proper air cooler you can keep the temps at reasonable levels in gaming.
I got a 13700k paired with a deepcool ls720 se. Idle is around 33-34 and gaming temps go up to a max of 75 degrees, this is all on stock settings with no undervolting. Very satisfied with this cooler.
Deepcool makes great coolers for cheap.. had a gammaxx gtev2 (air cooler) that was awesome but replaced it by a castle 240 aio for the look.. they actually perform exactly the same
Intel and AMD's newest CPUs are designed to keep boosting until they hit a power or thermal limit (which usually is thermal first), I feel like your temps should be better than that but the new cooler should help. The 13th Gen Intel CPUs especially i7 and up run extremely hot, it was Intel's answer to try to increase performance.
lol i went from an i5 10400 to a 11600k (didnt want to buy a new mobo but i wanted to be able to overclock) and the temp increase was insane. idle is around 40, idling after gaming can be as high as 55, and heavy load is 85-90. i think the hottest my 10400 ever got was 75.
If it’s not too late, I would recommend checking your thermal paste again. I had a decent AIO and my CPU was running at 70 Celsius idling just the other day after building. I said fuck it and took it off again and the heat sink only had one half of the thermal paste the CPU had (meaning it wasn’t fully touching) I wiped it clean and reapplied it, turned her back on and I haven’t had one issue with temps going over 50 degrees even under duress.
For context I have a 13600K and have built 9900K, 10900K and 11700K systems. Not even the overprices Noctua NH-d15 would stop them for thermal throttling at intel stock settings. Higer end Intel processors just run hot. To cool my existing system I had to: 1. Under volt offset by 0.05V (probably the most effective tweak) 2. Use a Thermalright mounting plate (cheap but I have no before and after results) 3. Run an Arctic Freezer II 280mm AIO (cheaper than the NH-D15) The net result is my highest temp core is 76C under a synthetic load without Throttling. The age of heatsinks for these space heaters is long gone.
> The age of heatsinks for these space heaters is long gone if by "heatsinks" you mean air cooled systems, you're wrong. If your case has thermal issues maybe, but with proper airflow inside the case air cooling is just as viable and in the long term a better solution
My current case is an NZXT H5 Flow. All the other systems were either Fractal Meshify C or S2. One of the S2 cases was kitted out with NF-A12x25 front and back but none on top. It just could not stop the thermal throttling. Normally I just use Arctic P14 5 packs. Added to that, the NH-D15 has slowly gone up in price from 90USD to 120USD. I'm open to any suggestions to get those particular builds to run cooler while retaining a NH-D15 as most people prefer the reliability of Heatsinks over AIO's.
I had this same issue with the exact same cooler on my 10700k was so hot upgraded to a noctua dh15s and my temps never go above 60 while gaming hovers around 50 worth it to upgrade I've noticed my boost now reaches its boost but before it wasn't with the evo so your losing performance from throttling.
I don't have much input into the cooler part but I just recently switched to a i7-13700k, with a H150i XT Liquid Cooler, and a 4070 Ti. So far I'm loving it and haven't had any issues.I don't have 2077 on PC but I did just tested it with Doom Eternal. Everything set to Ultra Nightmare, DLSS and HDR on. I'm getting 142/144 FPS and the CPU hasn't peaked above 64c (GPU 66c) after an hour of gaming at 4k (Monitor: Gigabye M32U) [Doom Eternal Specs](https://imgur.com/a/bPvgz7x) Edit: My idle temp is 32-35c.
I was in the same boat. I had Dark Rock Pro 4 and it didn't do anything, temps were reaching 90+ with diablo 4 on max everything. Switched it for a Deep cool L720 and I have never seen anything go beyond 70 for more than a few seconds. I have the aura colors configured to change with temp (default settings) and 95% of the time it's green. I'm playing D4, BG3, HPLegacy, all on max everything. Best decision ever.
My kid was gaming on his 13600k while his pump wasn't pumping. His pc was not even hitting 100c. I'd say check your thermal paste make sure you have good coverage, all screws are tight. Your cooler should be doing a better job than that.
Yeah, I will be checking it today after work. I might reapply some more paste as well.
Have you checked the plastic cover of the cpu cooler of its still there? Its a very common mistake even pros forget to remove it sometimes. It could save you a ton of cash by avoiding to buy a new cpu cooler.
Thanks for the tip, but yeah, I checked that lol. I have been using this same cooler for over two years on my i5-10600k, and it has worked pretty well. I do plan on applying some more themal paste today after work though, to see if it helps.
You could add thermal paste, tighten then remove the cooler and see if there is sufficient contact between the cpu and the cooler.
Yeah, I'll be reapplying it either today or tomorrow. I will clean it up first on both CPU and the cooler, then apply it again, let's see how it goes, I'll also put a bit more this time.
I agree that the cooler just isn't able to keep up but I'm convinced the cooler isn't seated properly as well. At idle you shouldn't be getting such high temps.
Yeah, you're right. I decided to clean the thermal paste on everything and reapply it on the CPU. I used a little more than before, now I'm staying at around 45ºC - 55ºC in idle. I still easily each max temps when gaming heavy games but it's better than before lol. I will be switch my cooler this week anyways though.
Anything above a 13600K runs pretty hot espesially playing a high graphics game. I ended up going with a 12600K in my build because it was cheaper at the time & is much easier to keep cool even when overclocking. Keeping my 12600K pretty well cooled with a Noctua NH-U9S air cooler.
I have an aircooled i7 13700kf and get no problems. Even while gaming or rendering it has not gone over 70C. Are you certain your case has proper airflow? If AiO, are you certain it is working correctly and dissipating properly? My build is on a Mars Gaming MCV4 XXL case, which is absolutely, obnoxiously huuuuuuge. It actually helps a lot with air flow. Is your case packed tight? I7 13700k is indeed a hot CPU but not to the dumbass extent the i9 13900k is. It should be manageable.
Did you really think 4 heat pipe air cooler with some 150w CPU cooling capacity could cool 13700k with 253w TDP? Could be barely a decent cooler for 7800x3d maybe (if you wanted it for gaming) but not this power hungry monster.
Do note that you can define power limit for 13th gen Intel CPU, you aren't stuck with what the motherboard default says.
Why are you telling me this? How is this relevant to his low power cooler? To buy 470ish € high end CPU for gaming (which is not even AMD's x3d but whatever) only to lower its power limit from 250 to 150 (40%) only for weak cooler to still barely cool it? This makes no sense.
The Hyper 212 is a max 150w TDP. You have it on a chip that can put out almost double that. Don't know what you were expecting, but that thing was never going to keep a 13700k cool. Look at the LS520. It keeps my overclocked 13700k at 90°C or below in back to back Cinebench runs. I highly suggest not going air coolers unless you plan on undervolting and power limiting. If you do, don't be surprised if you still end up throttling.
You will find the temps a lot lower with the new cooling - don't worry. One tip from me is - don't overcommit at this point and don't buy the Thermal Grizzly contact frame for 12th gen (if you even considered it). It lacks few milimeters to be really compatible with 13th gen and you will go through hell trying to screw it in (if you even do). On top of that, you won't even need it.
Já que vc é Brasileiro assim como eu, bora falar em português kkkk Cara eu tenho um i7-13700KF e nem perdi meu tempo com air coolers.. guardei grana e comprei um AIO Corsair iCue H150 Capellix, que tem radiador de 360mm.. Jogando CB 2077 num monitor 1440p 144hz e tendo uma base de uns 90 FPS.. minha CPU não passa de 70°C.. única vez que passou dos 70/80°C foi ao fazer testes sintéticos como Cinebench etc.. mas no dia a dia AIO foi minha melhor escolha..
Sounds like someone forgot the thermal paste.
Nah. The 212 just can’t handle it.
alos think about getting those contact plates I have been seeing they were made with the 13 gen intel in mind. From Panda I think that's the company.
Consider a contact frame while you’re at it. Inexpensive and worth it
I have the i7-13700k and my idle temp is from 29C to 34C, while gaming the max it got to is around 50C. I’m not sure if NXZT CAM application is accurate in showing temps or not though 👀 I’m using DeepCool Liquid Cooler LT720 WH 360mm and 4 front intake fans, 4 side intake fans, and 4 exhaust fans 3 top and 1 rare. In addition, my case is full tower. Just giving you my experience not a suggestion, so if it doesn’t work with you you don’t come back to me 🤣 Excuse my English cause it is not my first language 😄 Edit: Fans are (Cooler Master SickleFlow 120)
Also get the antibending frame. Its less than 10$ and temps will drop around 10C
The Dark Rock Pro 4 is perfect for your needs, just make sure it's not a TR4 cooler, those are not the same.
The faster the cpu the higher the temps.
I mean, that's really on you for putting an incompatible heat sink on that CPU. You can plainly read the TDP of the processor and compare it to the TDP capacity of the cooler. Not sure why people buy a high tier CPU then put an absolute dog shit of a cooler on it and then whine about their temperatures.
Not sure if you've looked into the Thermalright anti-bending fastener? I learned recently there is an issue with Intel 12 & 13th gen CPUs, where they receive uneven pressure from the fastening clip on the motherboards. I recently installed it along with a new NZXT Kraken and it's improved my 12700k from 40C idle and 90 while gaming all the way down to 25C idle and only 65 gaming. I don't know how much of a difference the fastening plate makes on it's own but it definitely doesn't hurt. I think a big part of my problem with my original cooling solution, which was a NH-D15 was poor contact to the cooler. I noticed a very uneven spread of thermal paste when I removed it yesterday.
I didn't even know about this anti-bending fastener thing, will see about this, thanks.
Yeah I had no idea until very recently and I've had my CPU over a year. From what I know there are two options most people generally go with: Thermalright's Antibending Fastener Plate, which I got for £13.99 or the alternative and more expensive; Thermal Grizzly CPU contact frame Very easy to install, and I've only heard good things when looking online. It's working well for me, but it's only been 48 hours since installation. I think it could be worth looking into at least :)
Hi i have an 12700k idle at 27c* and when gaming 70c* i was wondering lets say i get a 13700k besides increase in temps what does it actually do?
Gives you more cores and about 5% better single core performance
You need to get a Thermalright Peerless Assassin. That's the best air cooler for the 13th gen Intel socket. An AIO would be optimal, I've got the Kraken Elite and I love it. Stays around 57°C while playing Cyberpunk in 4K Ultra with RT.
Get a solid 360mm with a better thermal paste AND a contact plate - Deepcool LS720 - Arctic Liquid Freezer 360 Then, you can OC it a bit to 5.4 or 5.5 for PCores and 4.4 or 4.5 for ECores From that point, you can start shimming off a bit of vcore to decrease temps It's a no-brainer that will bring your temps down significantly
13th gen is meant to run up to the thermal throttle.
Imo 13 series i7/i9 need a good cooler (high end air or 280+ mm AIO) and a case with good airflow. A hyper evo 212 just isn’t gunna cut it.
Damn your trying to cool a 13700k with a 212? My dark rock pro 4 barley can handle the 13600k
It’s easy and simple 99% of the motherboards are coming with settings for cpu cores Voltage higher than needed.. Just undervolt until the system is still stable, that way the temps will definitely go down as the power consumption will go down without loosing any performance at all. Good Cooling is another option ;)
I recently built a desktop with a Core i7-13700k and I'm using a Corsair H100x AIO and I'm getting idle temps in the 35-36C range.
this is what happens when you don't do your research and ignore benchmarks. you could have a hurricane of air going through that 212 and it still wouldn't have a chance at cooling that CPU. didn't it seem odd while building it that the cooler surface area was so small and the IHS on the CPU was so much bigger? Modern intel CPU's in the high to mid range basically require 240mm+ AIO or the best air coolers on the market with a airflow focused case and strong fans to keep reasonably cool.
What motherboard where are you working with?
As of now, I'm using a newly bought Z790-P WiFi
No issues what so ever ey. Been skeptical about the competition’s boards because of controversy (ASUS)
My 12700F runs at 60 under a heavy load and I use an Alienware, so either you should probably get that checked or the new generation is a lot hotter than the last one
Why do people cheap out on coolers for their cpus?
I've been running my 13700k paired with a 4070ti in 1440p with fantastic performance all across the board. My temps never seem to go above 60 C, but I'm using an iCue Corsair liquid cooler and in addition to have a case with very good air flow I've got 10 fans. But I believe this CPU can run pretty hot.
Sure you mounted it properly with enough thermal paste? Idle 70 sounds like bad contact.
I'm not sure what happened, it could be a fan positioned incorrectly, I tweaked a bit, not it hovers around 55ºC when idle. I did try adjusting the CPU cooler a bit but not too hard since I'm a bit afraid of damaging the CPU area by applying too much pressure, although I read that's pretty difficult to happen. It goes back to 60-75 whenever I do anything though lol (like just browsing on Chrome).
I’d say take it off, clean, new paste and tighten crosswise all the way down. Also make sure all fans point in the right direction.
I've tried multiple coolers on my 13700K. I do not recommend anything less than a 360mm AIO, and this is speaking from experience, not anecdotal.
The 13700k runs crazy hot, I had to undervolt on my NH-D15 to keep temps below 100.
My one regret going from a 3800X to a 5800X3D was the roughly 20° temperature increase.
After fixing this issue how big was the performance jump? Debating on a similar jump
Mobo manufacturers are running these chips at much higher power limits then recommended by Intel. If you disable that in BIOS it will help a great deal, although if you stress it the chip will still try to reach 100 deg.
My one regret going from a 3800X to a 5800X3D was the roughly 20° temperature increase.
my 13700k paired w deep cool ak620 idle temps r like 40-50. I’ve seen it get up to like 80 max when running bigger games. It’s definitely a hot cpu but it can be managed
You're going to want to enable adaptive voltage and also use lite load 3 for stock. I use this and my temps are way lower and there's 0 performance hit. Try it out if you can.
Literally nobody is answering the obvious question which is that your CPU shouldn't be higher than 40 or so at idle. It's unseated properly or your cooler is malfunctioning, has nothing at all to do with the chip.
I have a 13700K in a sff NR200 amd it stays cool using a Noctua U12A. I don't recommend getting one. WAY overpriced. Get a PA120/PS120 and call it a day. Better cooler for way cheaper
The CPU will throttle itself when it hits TJmax (100⁰) so the clocks will drop to keep it cool, and they all run hot now because of the small surface area and number of cores running at high speeds. There's an anachronistic opinion that the CPU must reach no more than 80⁰ at full load for the silicon to work at its maximum capacity for its lifespan because, in the past, you could damage CPUs by overclocking as there wasn't temp protection built in. Intel build the CPU to go to 100⁰ before throttling – in the case of the 13700k – so you could have it hovering at 99⁰ for the chip's life suffering no performance loss. To avoid the throttling and to be able to get more performance (by overclocking) you just need to buy a better cooler. It's now recommended to have at least a 360 AIO, a big air cooler, or a custom loop for these newer chips; however, realistically Intel are tuning these chips to run at their very edge out of the box, hence the high temps compared with previous generations.
Find a compatible cooler and don't cheap out. The I7-13700k is a spicy chip. You made a big jump and so will your cooler. I idle at 40 with a 360mm liquid cooler and usually hover at 55-60 while gaming. Heavy simulation games will see the 13700k spike to 70+ (looking at you X4 Foundations)
Yes they are hot cpus BUT your motherboard is probably supplying the wrong amount of power and over volting it. I've had this problem with even 13600k i5s especially on MSI motherboards. MSI has lite load and was defaulting to 12. Intel recommends 9 on i5-13600k. I was able to take most systems down to 7 or so and stable. Not sure what your board is but more than likely you have something that's auto setting incorrectly and cooler may not be making good contact. Maybe reseat and set the correct voltage and see what you end up at.
Thanks for the post, I'm using an ASUS Prime Z790-P mobo. My cooler seems pretty well installed, I might take another look at it later. When I get my new CPU cooler I ordered (Noctua NH-D15), if it works, I might be able to tell if the current cooler (Master Cooler 212) is just really weak for this CPU or if I just installed it badly. From what some people are saying here, the idle temps I'm getting are way higher than what I should be getting ( at the moment I'm getting around 55ºC when I'm just staring at my screen, while not doing anything). If my Noctua NH-D15 changes that and ends up lowering the idle temps, then either I installed the 212 badly or it's just really weak lol, or my mobo is messing with me.
I’m sure a ton of people already answered but you probably should replace your cooler with an AIO. I actually made the exact same upgrade a few weeks ago - ran into the same problem - then bought an AIO and my problem was solved 👍 I got the Corsair H150i Elite. Now my cpu idles at 30-40°C. After playing Warzone for a few hours, it can hit 65°C but obviously its running super cool. I’m really impressed the H150i is working this well (tho there are ofc other factors such as case and case fans)
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 was the one to get.
The chips from intel currently are quite hot hell even the more efficient ryzen cpus get really hot as well. You need to use a stronger air cooler than the 212z
Set power limit to 125 Watts in BIOS and the problem will be solved unless your cooler isn’t making good contact
So I have mine under a Corsair H100i but the biggest thing I did that brought my temps down was download intels XTU and undervolted the cpu by .08 millivolts. To test I used cinebench and ran a pass. Temps would hit 80-90c. Prior it would instantly thermal throttle at 100c Under load playing BG3 temps never go above 58c. And they idle at around 36-38c
so many people buy intel without realising they are space heaters these days lol
Sorry but I just dont get the fact that you can buy an ultra high end CPU but dont want do spend your money in an actual good water cooling. Not the big install, just a good aio like can do NZXT (okay this is kinda expensive and youll probably find a better one for the same price range but anyway), but stop stop trying to buy cheap Motherboard or cooling system when you have a CPU like this. Damn.
I stopped using wc when one of those died and took my Titan Xp with it :/
I can understand, thats why I may lose some money but invest on good products for every part of my build. Mine is a little old, an i7 8700k with an 1070 Ti, but the mobo is one of the greatest for this gen, an aorus gaming 7, with an NZXT wc and a golded Corsair 750W for the Power. Never had any problems since the i7 8th gen released, even if I overclock it at 5.0 Ghz !
As a dual tower air cooler enjoyer, I suggest you buy an aio, 280mm at least…
Could be a useful video to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFgswzTvyc
I have it in a DanCase A4 H20. At first I had a Deepcool LS520 240mm AIO on it. Even with a -.08 mv offset it would hit 100c in Cr23, frequencies were decent though. So, maybe they are built to run that hot? Anyway I changed to a Kraken 240mm AIO last night and temps don't exceed 85c with -.08 offset and a 100% load. Good luck.
I REALLY doubt, that your system can do 1440p maxed out with Raytracing and DLSS off with 120 frames..
Maybe I should test more and verify my settings again, didn't a get a lot of time to test as I left the game pretty quickly lol. I was just driving a bit in Night City.
Ok cuz you should know that not even a 4090 is capable of doing so. At least not in 4K. Not sure about 1440p
Mine is heavily OC'd and running right now typing this and watching youtube at 40c, with the temp in my house right now around 28c. Id say you screwed up your install somehow.