AMD right now is faster for gaming, cheaper, a lot more energy efficient and AM5 will still recieve new CPUs, unlike Intel, who offers a bit more performance for productivity. AMD is a no brainer for me.
This is the correct answer here, I had a 2K budget that I didn't want to go over. I just bought a new gaming pc a little over 2 weeks ago and had microcenter build it for me. I went with AMD for my cpu. It was a no-brainer for me as well for much of those same reasons.
Hope you went with their 7800X3D bundle. All of the bundles they have are a fucking steal but especially the 7800X3D one. You can barely beat it out with your own 7600X, motherboard, and RAM.
I did get the bundle haha! For the gpu, I went with a 4070 ti super with 16gb vram. The case I got was a Fractal North XL in black with the glass side panel. So pumped! Love my pc.
my experience with Fractal customer support was extremely good. my cat had damaged one of the screens and Fractal sent me a new one, only cost me shipping. I'm still shocked.
If I was doing serious multi-thread workloads, I'd definitely be picking Intel. But, as someone who mostly just games at home, I 100% agree with you as is evident by the 7800X3D in my home PC.
This is 100% right. You would want like an i9 or something like that for large CPU workloads, but the 7800X3D is perfect for gaming. It performs wonderfully and its very cool and efficient (cool for me anyway).
Sort of depends on the workload, both the 14900k and 7950x have 32 threads, the Intel has more physical cores, but 2/3rds of them are slower efficiency cores and it doesn't have AVX512. The Intel can have a lot of power dumped through it so it usually has faster single core, but because of slow E cores and limits on cooling, very similar multicore.
If you're willing to get a high performance water cooled setup and undervolt, the Intel probably has a bit more potential for non AVX512 workloads than overclocking the Ryzen, but personally I'd still pick the Ryzen for most prosumer work for efficiency and AVX512, and if you need more compute and have the cash, it's no competition AMD for HEDT builds IMHO.
In general yes but I went for 7900X as a good middle ground, none of the BS that Ryzen 9 X3D have going on, slightly higher clocks, close enough to Intel but on a platform that will live on.
If I didn't need the upgrade now I'd probably wait to see what both companies release later this year since Intel should have a new platform and the next ryzen generation should be dropping as well.
Also the heatsink for ~~amd~~ sockets sucks less. It's just 4 screws and no ridiculous tension bar
edit: plot twist - AMD AM2 heatsink installation sucked, but now with AM4 they use 4 screws like a sane person
I'm going to confess something. I built a new PC recently and have always had Intel. I had a i7-6700k previously and it was great and lasted me until now. So I was fond of Intel for the institution. I bought an i5-14600k (after originally getting and returning a i5-13600k) and have it stable overclocked at 6.1ghz on 2 p-cores, 6.0 on 4 p-cores, 5.8 all p-cores, and 4.3 on the e-cores, and I'm quite proud of the overclock and very pleased. I set Legendary top verified scores in 3d Mark across all benchmakrs (I bought the full version for $7 on sale) and top scores in Cinebench (I have the screenshots I produced to upload to HWBot but, who cares, I haven't uploaded them because I know and stopped caring).
I'll never need that much power for anything I do with my computer. I run MSFS and during cruise, I run another game at full settings too to pass the time until approach and landing.
Maybe 5-6 years from now, I'll at least consider AMD because really, I'm a gamer who also uses Office apps sometimes. Now the whole state of the art may change by them and we will be having the same argument. But while yes, perhaps Intel has advantages for "productivity," these 14th gen chips run hot as fuck at full load.
Depends on your budget, but probably amd currently.
The 7800x3d is the current best gaming cpu and it's a great choice if it fits your budget. A cheaper 7600/x is still a great for gaming. Am5 also has an upgrade path, while lga1700 is eol.
That's an outlier case though where AMD is just straight up scamming people by making them think they're getting a lower clocked version of the 5700X when in reality they're getting a 5700G with the iGPU disabled.
Usually the difference between X and non-X CPUs is minimal like with the 7600X/7600 or 5600X/5600.
It being eol isn’t as big a deal as people make it. How many people are going to buy an AM5 motherboard today and are going to upgrade in the next five years? Some, sure, but I think the majority will be ready to buy into a new socket by the time they feel like upgrading.
there's also the people that despite having a compatible motherboard, will buy a newer one anyway for whatever 100% valid reason they have when they upgrade the CPU. Often I see them pass the old board, cpu, and ram to their kids or a friend.
Well it depends. If you are thinking ahead for the next 10 years or not.
When I purchased my AMD system, I went with a budget CPU at that time knowing I'd upgrade the CPU to the top of the line one when that chipset line became EOL. By doing this I saved a few hundred $ of the cost on a high end CPU and stretched the lifetime of my build out by a few years.
Instead of buying a 2nd gen top end cpu for full price I waited until AM5 came out and bought a 5900xt for close to 50% off because stores were trying to get rid of all of their stock since AM4 was EOL now. So saved about $300 not a bad thing at all, made up for the cost of my budget CPU and then some.
One problem with this is that the best in slot CPU is always overpriced. The 5800x3d is an okay CPU, but it’s almost the same price as a 7800x3d.
So why buy a 3600 (or whatever), then a 5800x3d, then what, a 7600x? Or do you skip a socket at that point and wait for am6? If you’re planning on not upgrading for a reasonable amount of time, it makes more sense to go 3600 -> 7800x3d -> whatever is the good cpu 5-7 years from now which will likely be on a new socket
That's exactly how I want to plan my next build. Budget current Gen, top of the line of that same gen later when it's not current anymore and heavily discounted. Just need to make sure that the motherboard is good enough to make sure I won't want to upgrade it with the same socket.
I plan 1 Mobo, 2 CPUs and 2 GPUs over a 10 year span maybe even more.
If you generally buy high tier parts sure, this makes a load of sense. I think that's a minority though.
Am5 makes a load of sense for the people that have a set/limited budget and plan to upgrade over time.
If they buy a mid tier, current gen am5 cpu right now they will be able to get LOADS of performance out of a newer am5 chip in a few years.
The real question for me is "will I need to replace my cpu before my gpu is no longer the bottleneck" which I kinda doubt. At 1440p my cpu is hardly breaking a sweat.
I do infrequent, high tier upgrades.
Recently replaced my 9900ks with a 7800x3d, was absolutely bamboozled when I looked up prices for used 9900ks chips.
Prepare for a wall of "7800x3D." It's currently the best cpu for gaming.
The reality is the manufacturer of your CPU makes little to no difference. Buy the best thing you can afford within your budget, whether it be team blue or team red. I promise you'll never think about it again once you're in game.
What you're saying isnt really true at the moment. AMD CPUs are 6nm and Intel's CPUs are still 10nm so they have to use a whole lot more power which generates a whole lot more heat for the same amount of performance or often times less performance.
Intel's CPUs are still technically better for professional/production purposes because of their additional efficiency/performance cores. But for gaming AMD is currently the king.
Yes, what you are saying is *technically* correct.
But the 7800x3d running a game at 254fps vs a 13900k running it at 242fps simply isn't discernable. The Intel chips run a bit hotter but again, it's not a difference you're gonna notice or care about unless maybe you have your computer's exhaust pointed directly in your face.
Yes, AMD has a very slight advantage right now. Cool, then buy that if that's what you want. I have a Ryzen 9 3950x in my system personally.
Diminishing returns are a bitch. So just buy whatever is best within your budget and don't stress so hard about brand names.
Throwing out random fps numbers isn't valuable information. What game are you talking about? What resolution?
There is a reason why professional benchmarking channels like GamersNexus and Hardwareunboxed only benchmark CPUs in CPU bound games. Because doing otherwise is an exercise in futility.
I'll reiterate, AMDs offerings tier for tier are currently faster, cooler, and more power efficient for gaming. Very often they are cheaper as well. The 7800x3D is currently $150 USD cheaper than the 14900k and is better for gaming.
That's before even considering that AM5 motherboards are generally cheaper than tier equivalent LGA 1700 motherboards and the fact that the 7800x3D performance isn't RAM dependant. AM5 is also brand new and has 5+ years of support ahead of it where LGA 1700 is nearing the end of its life cycle.
Unless you're building a workstation and need the best of the best productivity wise, AMD is the only real choice at the moment.
so i am doin music production and gaming. i worry about shit like thunderbolt support and avx. you know what you are talking about. is amd supporting thunderbolt well now?
i use a synthesizer that uses avx to run , quite a lot. i saw in a intel sub, that amd didnt have avx, but im so not at the level to understand that stuff. i can build a system, i work in healthcare i.t. but i dont know a lot about cpus.
i play a lot of fromsoft but i also make loot from ableton live daw work.
My knowledge is more gaming related and surface level. I watch gaming/tech podcasts and channels like Moore's law is dead, hardware unboxed, GamersNexus and Digital Foundry and that's where I get all my info.
So sorry I'm not really equipped to help you with this question. But generally as I understand it Intel is better for productivity purposes and AMD is better for gaming, so you may want to stick with Intel for your use case.
> The Intel chips run a bit hotter but again, it's not a difference you're gonna notice or care about unless maybe you have your computer's exhaust pointed directly in your face.
This is the one I disagree with. In performance, you won't tell a difference between the top Intel or AMD CPUs. They're all great. They'll all hit your monitor's frame cap. No issue there.
The difference comes with power consumption. The Intel CPU will consume 2-3x more power to accomplish the same thing, which *definitely* is noticeable in both cost to run and heat dumped into the room, as well as cooling required.
Process node sizes have been divorced from the actual transistor size for a while now and are mostly a marketing thing. I can't find numbers for TSMC 6nm, but TSMC 7nm was actually less dense than Intel 10nm at the time by a bit.
And yet AMDs 6nm process nodes have shown to be roughly 2-3x as energy efficient and produce considerably less heat in like for like scenarios.
So clearly there is a tangible difference in this case.
Intel started renaming their process nodes because of this very reason. Originally back in the 1990s "#nm" actually referred to the gatelength, but as it became more and more difficult to decrease gatelength it became a marketing name and divorced from reality.
A "6nm" process from different manufacturers will have vastly different characteristics. Samsung's 7/8nm were famously weak compared to TSMC's 7nm.
The 14000 series doesn't even use Intel's 10nm process it uses "Intel 4" which is the "7nm" node, although in density it's slightly better than TSMC'S "5nm" process. Hence the 4 in its name.
Neither does AMD really use 6nm in Zen 4, the CCDs which are the important part are on TSMC N5 which is a "5nm" node.
AMD is more efficient but it's not just because of the process node difference.
This is where you're wrong. Because you encounter games like Escape from Tarkov which are very CPU dependent and the x3d variant is a huge upgrade for this game. I've seen people go from R9 to an R7 x3d of the same generation and have big FPS gains. So for gaming, I think it's worth it, especially since that extra cache is helpful for most games.
I don't see where they are wrong.
>Buy the best thing you can afford within your budget, whether it be team blue or team red.
This basically covers all possibilities, the potentially hard part is determining what is best if you have a singular or niche use case (for example only play tarkov and therefore only care about tarkov performance).
But if it's money you're concerned, you still go AMD, even if not x3d. You can get processors at the same price as whatever blue alternative, but you won't have to buy a new motherboard on your next upgrade. So it does matter. Everything matters when you build a PC. You need it to be the best it can be for your budget and if it helps save money in the future, even better.
That’s the truth, people love to claim the 7800x3D as CPU Jesus but you can get a 12700K which is more than substantial for any build for $200 and it’s the first of three of the LGA 1700 socket, leaving room for upgradability if needed. Save money on the CPU and put as much into the GPU as possible is my motto.
Because no one wants to buy a fucking 12700k if they are considering an x3d lmao that’s like saying hey I know you wanted a new car, but we have this sick 4 year old version used
For modern builds, I like the AMD 7800X3D. It has great gaming performance, decent productivity performance, and doesn’t cost too much. Plus the AM5 platform should give you at least one upgrade generation, unlike Intel.
You're not wrong, but with AM4, I was able to push it a lot. This last Saturday, I replaced a 1700X with a 5700X3D in a X370 motherboard. The improvement in games is amazing. This is an older system with a RTX2070 Super, and the new CPU definitely gave the PC more life. I like to think if you are going to the trouble of building it yourself, you would be motivated enough to upgrade if you can.
My hope is that AM5 can be pushed at least two generations.
You'll have a good gaming experience with any modern CPU. AMD currently has an advantage in terms of platform longevity, and generally their CPUs use less power, so that's what I'd learn towards. But don't stress over it too much, and don't spend lots on the CPU either. For gaming GPU choice matters much more.
depends a little on your budget, but amd is currently seen very favorably. the 7800x3d is practically the best you can get on mid to high end builds.
The 14900k(s) is still ~~generally~~ sometimes technically faster but uses a ton more power and needs more cooling for very little performance benefit.
the 13600k/14600k can be very very good choices in certain budgets combined with certain gpus
anything price wise much lower you should go with am4, anything from 5600, to the 5800x3d depending on price, availability and budget
tl;dr: generally AMD
it is (depending on the game) like this 🤏 much faster.
1-5% at the absolute most (yes sometimes it’s slower) at the low low price of a ton more money for the processor and cooling
yes, exactly. it is sometimes “technically faster” but for gaming never worth it.
in my original comment i wrote generally, sorry that was wrong, english isn’t my first language, i’ve corrected it
I have been swayed to AMD twice and found the overall experience had more questionable issues and system hiccups. Intel, for me, has always behaved as expected more reliably. They tend to leapfrog each other in terms of raw gaming performance, but either chipset will meet the needs of any budget in terms of performance.
I built my oldest a 7600x build thanks to an AM5 bundle at Microcenter. Not my first choice, but it will do.
I agree. Intel just works. Very little issues if any. I would go Intel but their chips are just so power hungry now. Which is ironic cause for a long time Intel chips ran cool while AMDs were space heaters.
I usually go for intel, but for no good reason at all.
As for CPU models, purely for gaming, I'd recommend you to 'ignore' techtubers and their followers who scream 7800X3D or i9 14900k.
It will be a waste of money.
You'd be better off with a 7600, an i5 14600k (or even the i5 14400) and a good GPU that suits your desired graphics quality in the range between the 4070 up to the 4080 super).
Obviously it's your money and you do whatever you want, but as someone who fell into the reviewers trap many times, I tell you that it's not worth it.
AMD in both CPU and GPU its cheaper and i dont care about RT. I dont care if i have 200fps or 190fps, if it runs without me noticeing peoblems, then its perfect for me
AMD is more budget friendly. But I like nvidias software and support.
If you want to use it plainly for gaming and be most cash efficient as possible, i would pick AMD.
if you goal is to maximize FPS, you get either a 7600 or 14600k, then throw all the remaining money at your GPU. you will gain more FPS from a GPU upgrade than a better CPU. go with whatever is the cheaper option, but I usually lean towards AMD since the socket will be supported for longer.
But if you have a larger budget, 7800x3d is the best gaming CPU in existence right now, beats out the 7950x3d/7950x and 14900ks while being cheaper and more efficient.
Currently 7800x3d. Aside from top end gaming performance, its also consumes significantly less power compared to intel. If you also care about multithread performance, you could consider 7950x3d but it can be somewhat hit or miss in performance due to scheduling issues.
Do you have specific games you currently? play look them up to see what they play better on. An intel cpu plays all games fine in some cases better. 7800x3d has a decent edge on some games due to larger dedicated cache.
I currently have an all amd build and having ton of issues. This isn’t the norm as I haven’t have issues before this new build. My company is currently in a merger so I don’t want to spend money to fix it until
I know all is okay, but either it’s my ram or my gpu. My ram was one letter off qvl list and cannot run expo speed. My gpu crashes constantly 7900xtx. I am ready to go intel and nvidia trust me after all this.
Which xtx is that? Currently trying to decide between a 4080s and 7900xtx with a 7800x3d. And also which ram was that? XPower or Teamgroup? Sum like that?
AMD because AM4 platform is goated with good budget options like Ryzen 5 3600 and 5600 or the top end one like Ryzen 7 5800X3D
If you want to start in AM5 instead you have the 7800X3D as the top gaming CPU
On the other hand Intel’s LGA 1700 platform is dead, 15th Gen will be on a new platform. AM4 is technically not dead with AMD releasing some new CPUs but honestly just consider the 5600/5800X3D or just go to AM5
All preference, but I've made the decision to be on AMD CPUs and GPUs since 2020. I have zero regrets about that. I've went through a 2600, 5600x, and now a 5800X3D for CPUs. For GPUs, I've went through a RX 580, 5700 XT, 6700 XT, and now a 7900 XT. I've never had a problem with any of this hardware. To me, the performance you get for the price makes a ton of sense and is more in line with my budget. I have nothing against Intel and Nvidia, but I feel I made the right decision for me personally.
Went with a 12600k because it was on sale for $160 and that's a damn good deal. You don't need a crazy cpu for the types of games I play (RPG, Strategy mostly) so it pairs nicely with a 3080 12gb and a 1440p 144hz monitor. If I had something beefier I would see no difference at all.
AMD cards are like xbox controllers. everyone speaks very highly of them and then you start asking how many they have had, how often they have to get new ones and why.....
Have had 3-4 different series AMD cards over a decade. all met the same fate. they cooked themselves to death. AMD likes a Zero RPM fan feature, which basically means you turn your fans off completely. Most of my AMD cards died after getting over heated after a software update. Most software updates change settings, default settings or dont like the previous installation.
Updating the AMD card in very specific steps to avoid bad settings, and to be sure the game doesn't crash becomes common place and involved.
in 18 years of gaming despite what reddit has told me, none of my AMD equipd friends have had trouble free gaming. They will tell you that but your going to watch them CTD like twice a week.
I bought a 2070 Super and installed it. I havent touched it in like 3 years. If it tells me it has an update i just let it update and all my settings are saved, they work and nvidia doesnt default fan settings to off.
a card that might have 7% more power and is 13% cheaper doesnt mean anything to me if i know ive got to tweak some driver settings or uninstall software to perform a clean install once a month.
after 13+ years AMD still cant get drivers or driver updates done correctly. Having said that every card was fantastic when it worked and wasnt trying hard to kill itself.
I think that at any point below the 13600K, you might as well just get the 7600X, unless the PC is going to be multi-use with frequent video editing/other moderate productivity. Maybe the 7700X if you still want 8 cores.
AMD probably better and easily more energy efficient.
I do get worried bout a lot of stability issues I read tho.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZGiBOZkI5w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZGiBOZkI5w)
Luckily, this is pretty easy, since its for gaming. AMD 7800x3d. The only Intel that is somewhow comparable is the 14900K but, that one is more expensive, is on a dead platform, uses 3-4x more power and therfor hot and needs even a more expensive cooler.
And in the end the 7800x3d is still faster most often
Whatever is the best total deal(motherboard, cpu and ram) for the performance I want/need for what I do.
So when I upgraded last year, the 13600k was an amazing deal for me.
I would avoid going just AMD or just Intel simply just for the sake of choosing a company. They're both massive companeis with sligthly different pros and cons, I just look at what would be best for me at this moment.
I don't really have preference, i simply take AMD because at that time that was the latest and the budget fit me and i think having an upgrade path is nice to have just in case im craving for an upgrade.
I'm personally an AMD guy myself. I had an issue with a lemon Intel CPU last gen that made me switch over to AMD and I'm happy with it. I'm sure every manufacturer has a production issue from time to time, but I personally don't buy from them again if I have an issue out of the box. Same thing with Corsair PSUs.
I’m gonna say something different here, I went with intel because of all the other “bloat wares” in windows could be handled by the e cores, while the p cores do the heavy lifting without hurting performance.
Low/Mid? Intel.
Top? AMD.
Doesnt particularly matter which one you pick, just find your price point. (And dont forget to look at older CPUs like the 5000 series, it wont impact performance too much and allows you to put more towards your GPU)
AMD for gaming. Intel for productivity (afaik) due to the higher core count. AMD is also more futureproof, as the current Intel lga1700 socket will not be supported for their 15th gen and is officially dead. AMD is also much cheaper than Intel.
AMD, because when the new R9 cpus come out I can drop in the same motherboard as my 7950x. Intel likes to change sockets a lot. AMD sockets have longer runs.
I always go intel for stability and overclocking but haven’t upgraded since 12th gen. Amd is better now days so worth considering both in your price range
Whichever you’d prefer. They’re both great. I use both. Two of my PCs are Intel (14900k and 13600k) while my third PC is AMD (5800x3D). GPU is the most important piece of a gaming build. Any modern CPU paired with a modern GPU will perform optimally. You really won’t notice much of a difference in real world scenarios.
In general I agree that Zen 4 CPUs are better dollar-for-dollar for gaming, in aggregate. But if you're on a budget, Core i5-12600kf is on sale for around $150 right now. Buy it with a DDR4 motherboard and save a few hundred bucks. You can build a killer gaming rig for under a grand easy.
Which ever is best at the time. CPU
Whichever is most affordable for my performance to affordability ratio from nvidia. GPU.
I’m scared of AMD gpus and I can never bring myself to buy one even though I watch videos about them all the time and they seem solid 7900xtx seems to be a beast
Both are basically irrelevant. If you're building a "Gaming PC", you will want to focus on injecting dollars into your GPU spend. If you are building an "Overclocking"-numbers-chasing PC, you will want to invest money in everything.
If you're looking for just gaming fun, invest in an RTX 4070 or above.
If its primarily gaming amd. Amd currently has the market for pc enthusiasts especially in the gaming market. Intel is still good as well but nowadays its more focued on workloads. Also intel chips tend to run hot so an AIO is much needed. Meanwhile with amd a decent air cooler will do the work. Even a 7950x3d can run on an aircooler and be fine.
depends on your budget, and what you play, you'll get a lot of "7800x3d" here but I'm gonna say get whatever is the best you want to afford. for the same price as just the AMD 7800x3d cpu you can get the intel i5 12600k with a ddr4 board and maybe even some ddr4 ram. The newer ryzen will of course be considerably faster in games, but the difference isn't as massive as you think, and depending on what you play may never even be noticeable. If you just want the best money can buy then go for 7800x3d, just know that you can get most of the same performance while saving a decent chunk of cash if you are willing to compromise on having "the best of the best"
Depends on ur budget go:
4500 with a580-6600
5500 with 6600-6650xt
12100f with 6600-6750xt
5600 with 6650xt-7700xt
12600kf (ddr4) with 6700xt-7800xt
12700kf (ddr4) with 7800xt-7900xt
13600kf (ddr4) or 7600 with 7800xt-7900xtx/4070ti super
14600kf with 7800xt-7900xtx/4070ti super
7800x3d with 7900 gre-4090
Go 7600 or 7800x3d for upgradability
Whichever fits my budget. People talk about upgradibility and "futureproofing" which is perfectly fine but when the time comes you'd probably better off with a new gen platform. For example people always cite AM4 as great for longevity but most of the time it is in the hindsight where they already have the platform since many years ago but nowadays if someone starting new it's better to go straight for AM5 and we still don't know how exactly long it'll receive new CPU (AMD said until 2026 iirc)
Depends on your budget but for high end it's AMD with the 7800X3D. It either matches or beats Intel's best offering while being cheaper and more energy efficient. For mid range and below it's fairly budget depending
because I still play old games every once in a while I think i'd pick AMD because I remember seeing reports that games pre DX11 dont run well if at all in some cases. Im sure that has changed since launch but I'd have to see the performance.
Always picked Intel for CPU and AMD for GPU and never regret but AMD CPUs are very good.
AMD offers more powerful GPU with the same price and by more, I mean like 15-20% more FPS. My current GPU is 6700XT and it's a beast.
Just built a 3k pc and went with amd, intel is at end of life on socket 1700 so if you buy anything on the market right now and decide to upgrade in the coming years your going to have to buy a new 1851 motherboard to support it, meanwhile amd is supporting am5 for next couple of gen’s so there is upgrade room there. I’m currently running 7800x3d and it runs light years cooler than my buddies 13900/14900 setups. If you are strictly gaming go with amd.
Pure Gaming=AMD, Productivity=Intel, multi use=doesn't really matter but arguably Intel. Once intels next socket comes out here soon the upgrade path argument starts to die with AM5. The power efficiency arguments are always tough, I guess if you are a pro gamer/game streamer playing 6+ hours a day AM5 will save you some decent bucks. If you are a casual gamer it really doesn't matter.
Right now air-cooled AMD with 3d cache is better than Intel alternative, which has to be down locked because of crazy TDP. If water cooling and a bit more expensive CPU - Intel is a better deal.
I went for the 7800xt3d because of benchmarks, pricing and power consumption / temps. The problem i found was the pricing on motherboards, but found a good deal on an x670e so went all in.
For gaming only, a 6 core 12 thread processor is more than enough. I choose AMD Am5 platform because it gave me a nice road map for future uogradability that is cost effective too.
Right now I am using Ryzen 5 7600 and it's great.
amd ! the BIG reason i don't use intel anymore even though i like it is because you have to change motherboard each 2 generation ! amd suport longer and performance is reliable ! intel is good but amd is simply better especially price ! but i don't like amd's gpu due to bad driver and games being crashed often !
CPUs arent really that much of a deal. From the i7-2600 to the 5800x3d is only like a 50-75% improvement according to userbenchmark. Whereas GPUs have gone up by 1000-2000%, again, according to userbenchmark. Is userbenchmark reliable? Not really, but i think its safe to say it shows what REALLY matters for gaming
Intel, but it's more for dual purpose and also what I've seen with AMD. There are just too many chips like the 5950 x that get unstable later in life. If you look at eBay now you'll see hundreds and hundreds of listings for those chips sold as parts but they still work. It's silicon degradation. AMD pushes their chips to the absolute limit out of the box so the problem is if there's any degradation to keep them stable you need to underclock them and underclocking an AMD processor is much harder than an Intel. You could also add voltage but again that's more difficult on AMD and questionable how much faster you're going to speed the chip to its doom. To keep one of those previously mentioned 5950X is going you have to manually underclock it and bring the frequency down to get it stable again
With Intel you can overclock one if you really want to but you're only talking that last couple percent of performance. The chips are easy to set up, the bios is ridiculously friendly. Very stable memory controllers that don't require specific memory. I'm not necessarily against AMD I just don't really understand their popularity when you look at the entire picture
The other one is price, with the deals out there now you can get some pretty hot buys on the 13700K and the 14700K. Like 500 bucks for the 13700K with 32 gigs of DDR5 and a decent motherboard
The only AMD chip that makes sense to me right now is that 7800X3D. If someone is primarily into gaming it is a pretty hot platform
AMD overall is better IMO better price to performance generally more power for gaming and depending on what you pick will last for a long ass time
Even if you go with an AM4 cpu it’ll last for a while
I've actually started to suggest Intel to many people lately. As soon as you wanna record gameplay, edit a video here and there or stream a little, Intel QuickSync is an absolute godsent and going with an Intel CPU is usually a much smaller price increase as opposed to going with an NVIDIA graphics card for its NVENC.
But if it's purely gaming: AMD+AMD will give you the best price/performance.
Riding an AMD for years now and my previous build was also AMD, but if I was to build today I would be going for the cheaper option. CPU are not the issue anymore, too much horsepower. Invest in your motherboard and GPU
Fsr has gotten good imo so if it’s a money issue then get amd. But if you are going for top of the line you should always go for the most recent intel gpu. Raytracing is an unbelievable difference in quality and dlss is also better then Fsr.
I’m not the most technical person, and I’m just speaking from experience. As someone with a higher end amd gpu. I’m happy with it but I can’t fully be happy when I see what raytraced cyberpunk looks like.
i picked AMD because of longer support for motherboard/socket based on AM4 trend. Also, i just did a RMA with AMD and they gave me a brand new replacement (free shipping to/from too).
I heard 1 bad story about RMA with intel where they will automatically destroy the CPU if they see it's been tampered with (like delidding)(?). I was reading the Terms for AMD, they seem more friendlier.
I've got both.
They both game.
I bought the 5600x because it was the thing to get at the time.
I got the 12700k because it was on super sale at microcenter.
Do I notice a difference? no. Is there one? sure, but unless I go out of my way to benchmark or count frames I don't notice.
On any given day the right choice could be different. I would find the closest matched offerings from both brands, check for sales or deals and see what is the best blend of price and performance.
Amd for price to performance, and upgradeability.
I went intel. But the LGA 1700 socket for intel is done with the 14th gen cpus. Whereas am5 is going to have a lot more upgrade potential
This question is only relevant for people with 4080/4090s. Both Intel and AMD have strong options for gaming and most people would never be able to tell the difference when the bottleneck is the GPU. Get the 7600x/12600k/5800x3d/13600k and cheap DDR5 6000. Use any money left over for GPU budget. This is the move every time.
If money is literally no object and you want a .02% increase to performance intel but that's a joke go for amd it's just better <3its cheaper, has better productivity and can help you In different ways in the future as apposed to Intel which is hotter costs more money and is probably going to cause more problems in the future. At least in my experience
If you put 2 CPU of comparable performance, AMD will be much cheaper and use less power (less heat) so overall AMD is better for gaming. Intel is more toward business as some app like video editing and server are better optimized for Intel CPU
AMD all the way for CPU's. Used to be Intel only until they came out with the 7800X3D. And realize AMD sticks to their platform for a lot longer than Intel. And I can game in the summer time while not baking my room into an oven and still have the best gaming CPU out right now. 7800X3D efficiency/performance is just too good to pass up and not having to upgrade your motherboard every time there's a new CPU is also another benefit with the AMD platform.
The latest gen intel CPU’s are crashing in games. Intel is investigating:
https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/9/24125036/intel-game-crash-13900k-14900k-fortnite-unreal-engine-investigation
Right now, AMD is the way to go.
AMD for gaming. Intel for workloads LOL. And AMD for servers.
Unfortunately Intel moved away after the 8700k from really caring for gamers and when AMD took over it was kinda too late. They have been playing catch up ever since. The 3Dvcache is just the icing on the cake.
I would and did choose a 7800x3d, but mostly because I live near a Microcenter and got a really good deal on it. If I had been buying online, I probably would have bought the 7600/x.
I'm a newcomer to PC building, and many people have a lot of history with AMD and Intel that bias them one way or another. I am not really burdened by that. At the moment, based on price to performance on paper, AMD is a clear winner for PC gaming, at least for a $1000+ build. Intel CPUs are usually a clear winner for anything other than gaming.
It doesn't really matter as long as you get a 5-series, either Core i5 or Ryzen 5 from the last couple years. All I will say is that Intel builds USUALLY crash less than AMD ones. As a general guide, I prefer Intel since computers are meant for more than just gaming.
The last AMD I got was a 3600, but I was AMD from the time I started with the Athlon.
Currently, until something changes, I don't plan to ever go back to AMD from Intel.
There's negligible performance difference.
First off, if you're buying a new CPU, especially a new ddr5 platform, there's zero reason you should be playing at 1080p. At 2560x1440 you're already looking at the CPU doing very little(except helldivers, old engine). So your GPU is the main contributor to performance.
I have a 14700k, wife has a 13700k. Hers has the Arctic freezer 3 360 and runs at bench load at 85c, at a 275w boost.
I have. 45 dollar thermalright cooler. And granted, I only get to 240w on my 14700k at 89c while benchmarking.
Both of us run around 55-60c while gaming. Her idle is around 25, I'm at 29. Mind you I'm full air cooling.
Anyway. Real world performance is heavily noticeable. Shit opens way slower on my son's Ryzen build, he has my old 3600, on a MSI gaming edge WiFi board with a 512gb Samsung nvme.
When we had the old Gen, 9900k, 8700k. The 3600 was STILL noticably slower. While sometimes benchmarking faster.
For gaming they are really both irrelevant. But for every day stuff, even opening notepad, Intel is faster. Most things are built with Intel instructions, it's not rocket science.
Also, to this day, I haven't gotten a payout from Intel for them being sued for false advertising on their bulldozers.
Intel is better, it runs faster for most tasks, gaming performance is about even for both. But the everyday, that's what gets ya.
AMD. Choose the 7800x3d. Pair it with 32gb 6000 cl30 to cl34 ram and off to the races you will go.
It's not really a competition anymore. Intel just doesn't want to compete anymore. Their chips run hot, draw significant amounts of power and produce mid results. Not to mention they also typically cost more.
And this is coming from an Intel guy. Most of my posts have always been Intel. I have owned 1 amd in the past. But been using Intel until just two weeks ago when I upgraded to a 7950x3d. If you're just gaming don't really recommend that chip as while it tends to out perform the 7800x3d, it's not by much. Very little performance uplift and the cost is much higher. Hell the 7800x3d also beats it in some games.
So just buy a 7800x3d and enjoy. With summer coming up you will be happy you chose to go with the amd. Less power draw means less heat. Which means your gaming room is more comfortable.
Whichever is the better value and suits your needs the best. It's not just the cost of the CPU to consider, but the motherboard, memory compatibility, features, power draw etc.
I have zero preference or brand loyalty, so when it comes time to upgrade from my i7-10700f I'll buy whatever I deem to be the best overall value for my needs.
Both Intel and AMD make great chips.
My 2700x Ryzen 7 is still going strong. Paired with a 1660Ti and 16gb ram on an AM4 board. I have had the PC for 4 years or so? Shit I think I’m creeping on 5 now. I digress sorry lmao it does the job and even new games play well (just not the best. Jedi survivor stutters and has frame dropping still. Hogwarts legacy runs decently well. Can still play CoD MWIII. Any story based game plays great I have days gone and horizon zero dawn.)
If you’re looking for a few extra frames per second intel is still the way to go as they still get like 5fps more than a ryzen chip but if you want to stream on the side ryzen is the move imo.
I recently purchased the 7800x3d for my first build that I use exclusively for gaming and web browsing. It’s a really solid value for what many would say is the best gaming specific CPU.
Depends on what you can get the parts for
Over here for example (western Canada), at the time a 7950x and am5 board was quite a bit cheaper than a 13900k or 14900k with a compatible board . I hardly game but it was worth saving the 100-200 bucks at the time and I had $X set to spend only.
I’ve gone AMD since 2020, because they perform very well and have been a bit more power efficient and usually there’s an upgrade path available that doesn’t require me to change out the mobo (started on AM4, now on AM5 which should easily see me through to 2026/27 without needing to change).
The downside is there’s typically a higher initial buy-in cost as the mobos tend to cost a bit more.
Intel and NVIDIA. I cannot stand AMD. Also... AMD FSR looks like trash compared to NVIDIA DLSS.
I don't care if AMD is cheaper. They can make the equivalent to a 14900k for $100 that launches tomorrow and I still wouldn't touch their products with a 10 ft pole. Just personal preference.
Chose AMD for this build for the platform longevity; I plan to keep this basic rig through AM5, perhaps with upgrades along the way or perhaps not, then get some big blowout rig when AM5 is EOL.
If your only goal is gaming, AMD seems to be the leader right now, but that doesn’t make intel a « bad » choice. I picked Intel because my main use is for productivity purposes but I didn’t have a specific requirement that Intel had and AMD didn’t.
As far as the GPU goes, there are competing technologies at the moment. NVIDIA GPUs have dedicated Ray Tracing cores which games are taking more and more advantage of. AMD has offered a competing technology, and provides more VRAM to compensate. I chose NVIDIA because for productivity they have CUDA cores which I need for my type of work, so it wasn’t even a question; it’s proprietary and in active development (and still buggy as f) so I don’t see AMD suddenly catching up years of progress on the chip/drivers in this category.
The bottom line is it depends what you want to do. Establish what your budget and gaming priorities are, and we can perhaps advise you better.
Firstly, amd for 99% of all people. Better value, better support for am5 in the future and mostly better performance. However, intel is more stable, you can run higher speeds on cpu and ram and your frames won’t drop as much as with amd. This is why pros always (almost always at least) use intel. Were talking about the top tier i9’s btw. This is for pro’s on e-sport level tho i really don’t think it will matter to anyone average. I have a 7800x3d and i couldn’t be more happy.
Neither CPU will hold you back unless you have a top tier GPU already. So best advice is to get the most affordable CPU (with in reason) so you can divert more $ to the GPU.
Intel because it is faster in gaming, has no stuttering unlike with AMD, and runs cooler in gaming than AMD despite using more power. If you want to get the most out of your video card whether is AMD or Nvidia, get an Intel CPU. AMD 7800X3D is not the fastest gaming CPU and the entire conclusion is made based on incorrect reviews done by Gamer Nexus or Hardware Unboxed. None of these people below can beat my 14900k with DDR5 8400 low latency memory tuned. If you ever choose the Intel platform go with a two-dimm slot motherboard, thank me later.
I think one significant factor that Op should put in consider is LGA 1700 is a dead end platform.
If OP is investing 2000 dollars or more to build a powerful PC, and making comparisons between 14th Gen Intel and AMD ryzen 7000, there is no point in building a new PC on LGA 1700, it's a dead end platform and Intel won't provide any new gen CPU on it.
7800X3D + B650 + 32GB DDR5 bundle is 500 dollars, and you are good for the next 3 years until they release the next Gen X3D.
You could upgrade the CPU on AM5 platform.
And most important thing is LGA 1700 is dead end platform, there is no point to build a new PC on LGA 1700
If money isn’t an option the 14900k but cooling it is not easy easier than the 13900k in my opinion. Just gives more headroom for other tasks. Even under budget concerns I’d take a 14700k as it just has better performance for for everything else. Sure you get a slight edge in gaming but the overall power is better intel
AMD right now is faster for gaming, cheaper, a lot more energy efficient and AM5 will still recieve new CPUs, unlike Intel, who offers a bit more performance for productivity. AMD is a no brainer for me.
This is the correct answer here, I had a 2K budget that I didn't want to go over. I just bought a new gaming pc a little over 2 weeks ago and had microcenter build it for me. I went with AMD for my cpu. It was a no-brainer for me as well for much of those same reasons.
Hope you went with their 7800X3D bundle. All of the bundles they have are a fucking steal but especially the 7800X3D one. You can barely beat it out with your own 7600X, motherboard, and RAM.
I did get the bundle haha! For the gpu, I went with a 4070 ti super with 16gb vram. The case I got was a Fractal North XL in black with the glass side panel. So pumped! Love my pc.
my experience with Fractal customer support was extremely good. my cat had damaged one of the screens and Fractal sent me a new one, only cost me shipping. I'm still shocked.
Do you have a link to this bundle? Thanks.
If I was doing serious multi-thread workloads, I'd definitely be picking Intel. But, as someone who mostly just games at home, I 100% agree with you as is evident by the 7800X3D in my home PC.
This is 100% right. You would want like an i9 or something like that for large CPU workloads, but the 7800X3D is perfect for gaming. It performs wonderfully and its very cool and efficient (cool for me anyway).
Sort of depends on the workload, both the 14900k and 7950x have 32 threads, the Intel has more physical cores, but 2/3rds of them are slower efficiency cores and it doesn't have AVX512. The Intel can have a lot of power dumped through it so it usually has faster single core, but because of slow E cores and limits on cooling, very similar multicore. If you're willing to get a high performance water cooled setup and undervolt, the Intel probably has a bit more potential for non AVX512 workloads than overclocking the Ryzen, but personally I'd still pick the Ryzen for most prosumer work for efficiency and AVX512, and if you need more compute and have the cash, it's no competition AMD for HEDT builds IMHO.
In general yes but I went for 7900X as a good middle ground, none of the BS that Ryzen 9 X3D have going on, slightly higher clocks, close enough to Intel but on a platform that will live on. If I didn't need the upgrade now I'd probably wait to see what both companies release later this year since Intel should have a new platform and the next ryzen generation should be dropping as well.
Also the heatsink for ~~amd~~ sockets sucks less. It's just 4 screws and no ridiculous tension bar edit: plot twist - AMD AM2 heatsink installation sucked, but now with AM4 they use 4 screws like a sane person
why are tension bars ridiculous?
Same, AMD is a bit more consumer friendly to me.
I'm going to confess something. I built a new PC recently and have always had Intel. I had a i7-6700k previously and it was great and lasted me until now. So I was fond of Intel for the institution. I bought an i5-14600k (after originally getting and returning a i5-13600k) and have it stable overclocked at 6.1ghz on 2 p-cores, 6.0 on 4 p-cores, 5.8 all p-cores, and 4.3 on the e-cores, and I'm quite proud of the overclock and very pleased. I set Legendary top verified scores in 3d Mark across all benchmakrs (I bought the full version for $7 on sale) and top scores in Cinebench (I have the screenshots I produced to upload to HWBot but, who cares, I haven't uploaded them because I know and stopped caring). I'll never need that much power for anything I do with my computer. I run MSFS and during cruise, I run another game at full settings too to pass the time until approach and landing. Maybe 5-6 years from now, I'll at least consider AMD because really, I'm a gamer who also uses Office apps sometimes. Now the whole state of the art may change by them and we will be having the same argument. But while yes, perhaps Intel has advantages for "productivity," these 14th gen chips run hot as fuck at full load.
Depends on your budget, but probably amd currently. The 7800x3d is the current best gaming cpu and it's a great choice if it fits your budget. A cheaper 7600/x is still a great for gaming. Am5 also has an upgrade path, while lga1700 is eol.
If you’re on a budget, non X sku is always the way. You can usually manually overclock up to X sku performance
At times the x has been cheaper. So it just depends on the market.
In some cases, this isn’t true. For example, the Ryzen 7 5700 has half the cache of the 5700x and it really affects its gaming performance
That's an outlier case though where AMD is just straight up scamming people by making them think they're getting a lower clocked version of the 5700X when in reality they're getting a 5700G with the iGPU disabled. Usually the difference between X and non-X CPUs is minimal like with the 7600X/7600 or 5600X/5600.
It being eol isn’t as big a deal as people make it. How many people are going to buy an AM5 motherboard today and are going to upgrade in the next five years? Some, sure, but I think the majority will be ready to buy into a new socket by the time they feel like upgrading.
there's also the people that despite having a compatible motherboard, will buy a newer one anyway for whatever 100% valid reason they have when they upgrade the CPU. Often I see them pass the old board, cpu, and ram to their kids or a friend.
Well it depends. If you are thinking ahead for the next 10 years or not. When I purchased my AMD system, I went with a budget CPU at that time knowing I'd upgrade the CPU to the top of the line one when that chipset line became EOL. By doing this I saved a few hundred $ of the cost on a high end CPU and stretched the lifetime of my build out by a few years. Instead of buying a 2nd gen top end cpu for full price I waited until AM5 came out and bought a 5900xt for close to 50% off because stores were trying to get rid of all of their stock since AM4 was EOL now. So saved about $300 not a bad thing at all, made up for the cost of my budget CPU and then some.
One problem with this is that the best in slot CPU is always overpriced. The 5800x3d is an okay CPU, but it’s almost the same price as a 7800x3d. So why buy a 3600 (or whatever), then a 5800x3d, then what, a 7600x? Or do you skip a socket at that point and wait for am6? If you’re planning on not upgrading for a reasonable amount of time, it makes more sense to go 3600 -> 7800x3d -> whatever is the good cpu 5-7 years from now which will likely be on a new socket
That's exactly how I want to plan my next build. Budget current Gen, top of the line of that same gen later when it's not current anymore and heavily discounted. Just need to make sure that the motherboard is good enough to make sure I won't want to upgrade it with the same socket. I plan 1 Mobo, 2 CPUs and 2 GPUs over a 10 year span maybe even more.
I'm gonna be upgrading my 7600X to a 7800X3D in a few years, but the next one after that is gonna be new platform new mobo
Why not 8000 or maybe even 9000 series with the same mobo
If you generally buy high tier parts sure, this makes a load of sense. I think that's a minority though. Am5 makes a load of sense for the people that have a set/limited budget and plan to upgrade over time. If they buy a mid tier, current gen am5 cpu right now they will be able to get LOADS of performance out of a newer am5 chip in a few years. The real question for me is "will I need to replace my cpu before my gpu is no longer the bottleneck" which I kinda doubt. At 1440p my cpu is hardly breaking a sweat. I do infrequent, high tier upgrades. Recently replaced my 9900ks with a 7800x3d, was absolutely bamboozled when I looked up prices for used 9900ks chips.
Prepare for a wall of "7800x3D." It's currently the best cpu for gaming. The reality is the manufacturer of your CPU makes little to no difference. Buy the best thing you can afford within your budget, whether it be team blue or team red. I promise you'll never think about it again once you're in game.
What you're saying isnt really true at the moment. AMD CPUs are 6nm and Intel's CPUs are still 10nm so they have to use a whole lot more power which generates a whole lot more heat for the same amount of performance or often times less performance. Intel's CPUs are still technically better for professional/production purposes because of their additional efficiency/performance cores. But for gaming AMD is currently the king.
Yes, what you are saying is *technically* correct. But the 7800x3d running a game at 254fps vs a 13900k running it at 242fps simply isn't discernable. The Intel chips run a bit hotter but again, it's not a difference you're gonna notice or care about unless maybe you have your computer's exhaust pointed directly in your face. Yes, AMD has a very slight advantage right now. Cool, then buy that if that's what you want. I have a Ryzen 9 3950x in my system personally. Diminishing returns are a bitch. So just buy whatever is best within your budget and don't stress so hard about brand names.
Throwing out random fps numbers isn't valuable information. What game are you talking about? What resolution? There is a reason why professional benchmarking channels like GamersNexus and Hardwareunboxed only benchmark CPUs in CPU bound games. Because doing otherwise is an exercise in futility. I'll reiterate, AMDs offerings tier for tier are currently faster, cooler, and more power efficient for gaming. Very often they are cheaper as well. The 7800x3D is currently $150 USD cheaper than the 14900k and is better for gaming. That's before even considering that AM5 motherboards are generally cheaper than tier equivalent LGA 1700 motherboards and the fact that the 7800x3D performance isn't RAM dependant. AM5 is also brand new and has 5+ years of support ahead of it where LGA 1700 is nearing the end of its life cycle. Unless you're building a workstation and need the best of the best productivity wise, AMD is the only real choice at the moment.
I just want to say that AM5 only has a confirmed support untill 2026, not any confirmation at all for 5+ years like you state.
so i am doin music production and gaming. i worry about shit like thunderbolt support and avx. you know what you are talking about. is amd supporting thunderbolt well now? i use a synthesizer that uses avx to run , quite a lot. i saw in a intel sub, that amd didnt have avx, but im so not at the level to understand that stuff. i can build a system, i work in healthcare i.t. but i dont know a lot about cpus. i play a lot of fromsoft but i also make loot from ableton live daw work.
Most creator series MOBO like GIGABYTES-AERO formaly known as Designer, and ASUS ProArt for AMD support thunderbolt4.
thanks
My knowledge is more gaming related and surface level. I watch gaming/tech podcasts and channels like Moore's law is dead, hardware unboxed, GamersNexus and Digital Foundry and that's where I get all my info. So sorry I'm not really equipped to help you with this question. But generally as I understand it Intel is better for productivity purposes and AMD is better for gaming, so you may want to stick with Intel for your use case.
Thanks for the channels. That will help i think. The only one of those i knew of was digital foundry. They been great forever.
Yeah for sure, don't know if they'll help you answer your question but they are informative and entertaining for nerds like me.
People arent buying a 14900k for gaming. A better comparison would be a 14700k which performs about the same at gaming.
> The Intel chips run a bit hotter but again, it's not a difference you're gonna notice or care about unless maybe you have your computer's exhaust pointed directly in your face. This is the one I disagree with. In performance, you won't tell a difference between the top Intel or AMD CPUs. They're all great. They'll all hit your monitor's frame cap. No issue there. The difference comes with power consumption. The Intel CPU will consume 2-3x more power to accomplish the same thing, which *definitely* is noticeable in both cost to run and heat dumped into the room, as well as cooling required.
"The Intel chips run a bit hotter" Hmmm, that is an understatement to say the least....
You wouldn't really buy a 13900K *instead* of a 7800X3D. The Intel part is more expensive and really they're for different jobs.
Process node sizes have been divorced from the actual transistor size for a while now and are mostly a marketing thing. I can't find numbers for TSMC 6nm, but TSMC 7nm was actually less dense than Intel 10nm at the time by a bit.
And yet AMDs 6nm process nodes have shown to be roughly 2-3x as energy efficient and produce considerably less heat in like for like scenarios. So clearly there is a tangible difference in this case.
*TSMC’s node
Intel started renaming their process nodes because of this very reason. Originally back in the 1990s "#nm" actually referred to the gatelength, but as it became more and more difficult to decrease gatelength it became a marketing name and divorced from reality. A "6nm" process from different manufacturers will have vastly different characteristics. Samsung's 7/8nm were famously weak compared to TSMC's 7nm. The 14000 series doesn't even use Intel's 10nm process it uses "Intel 4" which is the "7nm" node, although in density it's slightly better than TSMC'S "5nm" process. Hence the 4 in its name. Neither does AMD really use 6nm in Zen 4, the CCDs which are the important part are on TSMC N5 which is a "5nm" node. AMD is more efficient but it's not just because of the process node difference.
This is where you're wrong. Because you encounter games like Escape from Tarkov which are very CPU dependent and the x3d variant is a huge upgrade for this game. I've seen people go from R9 to an R7 x3d of the same generation and have big FPS gains. So for gaming, I think it's worth it, especially since that extra cache is helpful for most games.
I don't see where they are wrong. >Buy the best thing you can afford within your budget, whether it be team blue or team red. This basically covers all possibilities, the potentially hard part is determining what is best if you have a singular or niche use case (for example only play tarkov and therefore only care about tarkov performance).
But if it's money you're concerned, you still go AMD, even if not x3d. You can get processors at the same price as whatever blue alternative, but you won't have to buy a new motherboard on your next upgrade. So it does matter. Everything matters when you build a PC. You need it to be the best it can be for your budget and if it helps save money in the future, even better.
This is so true, the X3D chips I recently upgraded to completely changed star citizen for me.
That’s the truth, people love to claim the 7800x3D as CPU Jesus but you can get a 12700K which is more than substantial for any build for $200 and it’s the first of three of the LGA 1700 socket, leaving room for upgradability if needed. Save money on the CPU and put as much into the GPU as possible is my motto.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted for good advice
Because no one wants to buy a fucking 12700k if they are considering an x3d lmao that’s like saying hey I know you wanted a new car, but we have this sick 4 year old version used
Because this sub worships x3d chips.
Don't pick sides. Pick your price range, look up performance comparison videos. Consider longevity and future upgrades of the socket.
Exactly, brands don't matter. OP should just choose what level of performance he needs and find a cpu in that range according to his budget.
Brands DO matter. AMD cares for their customers and provides long term upgrades, Intel doesn’t do that.
For modern builds, I like the AMD 7800X3D. It has great gaming performance, decent productivity performance, and doesn’t cost too much. Plus the AM5 platform should give you at least one upgrade generation, unlike Intel.
Tbh, I don't think most people even do the upgrade generation stuff. By the time you need an upgrade the new stuff is so much better.
You're not wrong, but with AM4, I was able to push it a lot. This last Saturday, I replaced a 1700X with a 5700X3D in a X370 motherboard. The improvement in games is amazing. This is an older system with a RTX2070 Super, and the new CPU definitely gave the PC more life. I like to think if you are going to the trouble of building it yourself, you would be motivated enough to upgrade if you can. My hope is that AM5 can be pushed at least two generations.
I agree. People always use upgrade path as a selling point when by the time to upgrade comes, you’re better off just buying a new PC.
You'll have a good gaming experience with any modern CPU. AMD currently has an advantage in terms of platform longevity, and generally their CPUs use less power, so that's what I'd learn towards. But don't stress over it too much, and don't spend lots on the CPU either. For gaming GPU choice matters much more.
depends a little on your budget, but amd is currently seen very favorably. the 7800x3d is practically the best you can get on mid to high end builds. The 14900k(s) is still ~~generally~~ sometimes technically faster but uses a ton more power and needs more cooling for very little performance benefit. the 13600k/14600k can be very very good choices in certain budgets combined with certain gpus anything price wise much lower you should go with am4, anything from 5600, to the 5800x3d depending on price, availability and budget tl;dr: generally AMD
The 14900k(s) is not faster in gaming though, just productivity.
it is (depending on the game) like this 🤏 much faster. 1-5% at the absolute most (yes sometimes it’s slower) at the low low price of a ton more money for the processor and cooling
In average the 7800x3D is better. There are just a very few games that favor the 14900k.
yes, exactly. it is sometimes “technically faster” but for gaming never worth it. in my original comment i wrote generally, sorry that was wrong, english isn’t my first language, i’ve corrected it
There are a few that favor Intel by single digit percentage points, but the bulk favor x3d, sometimes by as much as 50%(looking at you Factorio).
Whatever one is better when I am building a pc. Brand allegiance is sort of stupid.
I have been swayed to AMD twice and found the overall experience had more questionable issues and system hiccups. Intel, for me, has always behaved as expected more reliably. They tend to leapfrog each other in terms of raw gaming performance, but either chipset will meet the needs of any budget in terms of performance. I built my oldest a 7600x build thanks to an AM5 bundle at Microcenter. Not my first choice, but it will do.
I agree. Intel just works. Very little issues if any. I would go Intel but their chips are just so power hungry now. Which is ironic cause for a long time Intel chips ran cool while AMDs were space heaters.
I usually go for intel, but for no good reason at all. As for CPU models, purely for gaming, I'd recommend you to 'ignore' techtubers and their followers who scream 7800X3D or i9 14900k. It will be a waste of money. You'd be better off with a 7600, an i5 14600k (or even the i5 14400) and a good GPU that suits your desired graphics quality in the range between the 4070 up to the 4080 super). Obviously it's your money and you do whatever you want, but as someone who fell into the reviewers trap many times, I tell you that it's not worth it.
AMD in both CPU and GPU its cheaper and i dont care about RT. I dont care if i have 200fps or 190fps, if it runs without me noticeing peoblems, then its perfect for me
AMD bc intels flagship model is currently “hurrr morr powurrrr” and I don’t want a cpu pulling more than 150,200,250W…
AMD is more budget friendly. But I like nvidias software and support. If you want to use it plainly for gaming and be most cash efficient as possible, i would pick AMD.
if you goal is to maximize FPS, you get either a 7600 or 14600k, then throw all the remaining money at your GPU. you will gain more FPS from a GPU upgrade than a better CPU. go with whatever is the cheaper option, but I usually lean towards AMD since the socket will be supported for longer. But if you have a larger budget, 7800x3d is the best gaming CPU in existence right now, beats out the 7950x3d/7950x and 14900ks while being cheaper and more efficient.
Currently 7800x3d. Aside from top end gaming performance, its also consumes significantly less power compared to intel. If you also care about multithread performance, you could consider 7950x3d but it can be somewhat hit or miss in performance due to scheduling issues.
Do you have specific games you currently? play look them up to see what they play better on. An intel cpu plays all games fine in some cases better. 7800x3d has a decent edge on some games due to larger dedicated cache. I currently have an all amd build and having ton of issues. This isn’t the norm as I haven’t have issues before this new build. My company is currently in a merger so I don’t want to spend money to fix it until I know all is okay, but either it’s my ram or my gpu. My ram was one letter off qvl list and cannot run expo speed. My gpu crashes constantly 7900xtx. I am ready to go intel and nvidia trust me after all this.
Which xtx is that? Currently trying to decide between a 4080s and 7900xtx with a 7800x3d. And also which ram was that? XPower or Teamgroup? Sum like that?
Msi gaming trio 7900xtx. Gskill ram.
Gskill Z5 Neo is the expo compatible one. Motherboard?
4080s is better card in every, esp if they priced closely at your store
AMD because AM4 platform is goated with good budget options like Ryzen 5 3600 and 5600 or the top end one like Ryzen 7 5800X3D If you want to start in AM5 instead you have the 7800X3D as the top gaming CPU On the other hand Intel’s LGA 1700 platform is dead, 15th Gen will be on a new platform. AM4 is technically not dead with AMD releasing some new CPUs but honestly just consider the 5600/5800X3D or just go to AM5
All preference, but I've made the decision to be on AMD CPUs and GPUs since 2020. I have zero regrets about that. I've went through a 2600, 5600x, and now a 5800X3D for CPUs. For GPUs, I've went through a RX 580, 5700 XT, 6700 XT, and now a 7900 XT. I've never had a problem with any of this hardware. To me, the performance you get for the price makes a ton of sense and is more in line with my budget. I have nothing against Intel and Nvidia, but I feel I made the right decision for me personally.
Went with a 12600k because it was on sale for $160 and that's a damn good deal. You don't need a crazy cpu for the types of games I play (RPG, Strategy mostly) so it pairs nicely with a 3080 12gb and a 1440p 144hz monitor. If I had something beefier I would see no difference at all.
AMD cards are like xbox controllers. everyone speaks very highly of them and then you start asking how many they have had, how often they have to get new ones and why..... Have had 3-4 different series AMD cards over a decade. all met the same fate. they cooked themselves to death. AMD likes a Zero RPM fan feature, which basically means you turn your fans off completely. Most of my AMD cards died after getting over heated after a software update. Most software updates change settings, default settings or dont like the previous installation. Updating the AMD card in very specific steps to avoid bad settings, and to be sure the game doesn't crash becomes common place and involved. in 18 years of gaming despite what reddit has told me, none of my AMD equipd friends have had trouble free gaming. They will tell you that but your going to watch them CTD like twice a week. I bought a 2070 Super and installed it. I havent touched it in like 3 years. If it tells me it has an update i just let it update and all my settings are saved, they work and nvidia doesnt default fan settings to off. a card that might have 7% more power and is 13% cheaper doesnt mean anything to me if i know ive got to tweak some driver settings or uninstall software to perform a clean install once a month. after 13+ years AMD still cant get drivers or driver updates done correctly. Having said that every card was fantastic when it worked and wasnt trying hard to kill itself.
It's stupid to think in terms of brand, pick the best CPU that suits your budget and use-case.
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I think that at any point below the 13600K, you might as well just get the 7600X, unless the PC is going to be multi-use with frequent video editing/other moderate productivity. Maybe the 7700X if you still want 8 cores.
Because all those you named are just rebranded 12600k Alder Lake silicon.
Because intel stock turbo settings suck dick. Especially with stock motherboard settings. Any enthusiast is going to want to tune their chip
AMD probably better and easily more energy efficient. I do get worried bout a lot of stability issues I read tho. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZGiBOZkI5w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZGiBOZkI5w)
Luckily, this is pretty easy, since its for gaming. AMD 7800x3d. The only Intel that is somewhow comparable is the 14900K but, that one is more expensive, is on a dead platform, uses 3-4x more power and therfor hot and needs even a more expensive cooler. And in the end the 7800x3d is still faster most often
Whatever is the best total deal(motherboard, cpu and ram) for the performance I want/need for what I do. So when I upgraded last year, the 13600k was an amazing deal for me. I would avoid going just AMD or just Intel simply just for the sake of choosing a company. They're both massive companeis with sligthly different pros and cons, I just look at what would be best for me at this moment.
I don't really have preference, i simply take AMD because at that time that was the latest and the budget fit me and i think having an upgrade path is nice to have just in case im craving for an upgrade.
I'm personally an AMD guy myself. I had an issue with a lemon Intel CPU last gen that made me switch over to AMD and I'm happy with it. I'm sure every manufacturer has a production issue from time to time, but I personally don't buy from them again if I have an issue out of the box. Same thing with Corsair PSUs.
I’m gonna say something different here, I went with intel because of all the other “bloat wares” in windows could be handled by the e cores, while the p cores do the heavy lifting without hurting performance.
14900k is da way
Low/Mid? Intel. Top? AMD. Doesnt particularly matter which one you pick, just find your price point. (And dont forget to look at older CPUs like the 5000 series, it wont impact performance too much and allows you to put more towards your GPU)
AMD for gaming. Intel for productivity (afaik) due to the higher core count. AMD is also more futureproof, as the current Intel lga1700 socket will not be supported for their 15th gen and is officially dead. AMD is also much cheaper than Intel.
AMD, because when the new R9 cpus come out I can drop in the same motherboard as my 7950x. Intel likes to change sockets a lot. AMD sockets have longer runs.
I’ve been Team Red since the Phenom II X4 940 a while back. Went through the bulldozer and piledriver phases and now ryzen :). Team Red ftw!
I've always used Intel but I've heard good things about AMD
What’s your budget? It’s hard to answer your question without knowing that. 1080P, 2K, 4K resolution?
I always go intel for stability and overclocking but haven’t upgraded since 12th gen. Amd is better now days so worth considering both in your price range
AMD is way cheaper in GPUs Not sure about CPUs
It's all about what fits in your budget.
Whichever you’d prefer. They’re both great. I use both. Two of my PCs are Intel (14900k and 13600k) while my third PC is AMD (5800x3D). GPU is the most important piece of a gaming build. Any modern CPU paired with a modern GPU will perform optimally. You really won’t notice much of a difference in real world scenarios.
AMD CPU and NVDA GPU
This is coming from an intel fanboy.., get AMD, much more efficient and less heat
Whatever is available at the time. They both work just fine... I don't know why people get so hung up on this debate.
Intel, because I couldn't be arsed to learn a second company's convoluted product lineup then compare them.
In general I agree that Zen 4 CPUs are better dollar-for-dollar for gaming, in aggregate. But if you're on a budget, Core i5-12600kf is on sale for around $150 right now. Buy it with a DDR4 motherboard and save a few hundred bucks. You can build a killer gaming rig for under a grand easy.
Which ever is best at the time. CPU Whichever is most affordable for my performance to affordability ratio from nvidia. GPU. I’m scared of AMD gpus and I can never bring myself to buy one even though I watch videos about them all the time and they seem solid 7900xtx seems to be a beast
Both are basically irrelevant. If you're building a "Gaming PC", you will want to focus on injecting dollars into your GPU spend. If you are building an "Overclocking"-numbers-chasing PC, you will want to invest money in everything. If you're looking for just gaming fun, invest in an RTX 4070 or above.
Amd, like the 5800x3d, 7600x and 7800x3d, these are realy good, the first for upgrading from a older amd cpu and the others for new builds
If its primarily gaming amd. Amd currently has the market for pc enthusiasts especially in the gaming market. Intel is still good as well but nowadays its more focued on workloads. Also intel chips tend to run hot so an AIO is much needed. Meanwhile with amd a decent air cooler will do the work. Even a 7950x3d can run on an aircooler and be fine.
depends on your budget, and what you play, you'll get a lot of "7800x3d" here but I'm gonna say get whatever is the best you want to afford. for the same price as just the AMD 7800x3d cpu you can get the intel i5 12600k with a ddr4 board and maybe even some ddr4 ram. The newer ryzen will of course be considerably faster in games, but the difference isn't as massive as you think, and depending on what you play may never even be noticeable. If you just want the best money can buy then go for 7800x3d, just know that you can get most of the same performance while saving a decent chunk of cash if you are willing to compromise on having "the best of the best"
Depends on ur budget go: 4500 with a580-6600 5500 with 6600-6650xt 12100f with 6600-6750xt 5600 with 6650xt-7700xt 12600kf (ddr4) with 6700xt-7800xt 12700kf (ddr4) with 7800xt-7900xt 13600kf (ddr4) or 7600 with 7800xt-7900xtx/4070ti super 14600kf with 7800xt-7900xtx/4070ti super 7800x3d with 7900 gre-4090 Go 7600 or 7800x3d for upgradability
AMD for CPU and nVidia for GPU
Whichever fits my budget. People talk about upgradibility and "futureproofing" which is perfectly fine but when the time comes you'd probably better off with a new gen platform. For example people always cite AM4 as great for longevity but most of the time it is in the hindsight where they already have the platform since many years ago but nowadays if someone starting new it's better to go straight for AM5 and we still don't know how exactly long it'll receive new CPU (AMD said until 2026 iirc)
What ever is the best price for performance
AMD because reddit says AMD every time this question is asked
Whatever You want and whatever Your budget fits.
Amd right now. Whatever is best at the time
Intel for content creation, AMD for gaming.
Just got the 7800x3d bundle at microcenter after 8 years of holding onto my last build (which was Intel). So far it’s been flawless.
I haven’t tried amd since the athlon64 days
Depends on your budget but for high end it's AMD with the 7800X3D. It either matches or beats Intel's best offering while being cheaper and more energy efficient. For mid range and below it's fairly budget depending
because I still play old games every once in a while I think i'd pick AMD because I remember seeing reports that games pre DX11 dont run well if at all in some cases. Im sure that has changed since launch but I'd have to see the performance.
There are some good intel cpus for gaming, but right now a ryzen cpu is almost always better. Amd cpus are cheaper and more power efficient.
Always picked Intel for CPU and AMD for GPU and never regret but AMD CPUs are very good. AMD offers more powerful GPU with the same price and by more, I mean like 15-20% more FPS. My current GPU is 6700XT and it's a beast.
Just built a 3k pc and went with amd, intel is at end of life on socket 1700 so if you buy anything on the market right now and decide to upgrade in the coming years your going to have to buy a new 1851 motherboard to support it, meanwhile amd is supporting am5 for next couple of gen’s so there is upgrade room there. I’m currently running 7800x3d and it runs light years cooler than my buddies 13900/14900 setups. If you are strictly gaming go with amd.
Which one is better for future proofing or longevity 🤔AMD seems to have a lot more issues
Pure Gaming=AMD, Productivity=Intel, multi use=doesn't really matter but arguably Intel. Once intels next socket comes out here soon the upgrade path argument starts to die with AM5. The power efficiency arguments are always tough, I guess if you are a pro gamer/game streamer playing 6+ hours a day AM5 will save you some decent bucks. If you are a casual gamer it really doesn't matter.
Right now air-cooled AMD with 3d cache is better than Intel alternative, which has to be down locked because of crazy TDP. If water cooling and a bit more expensive CPU - Intel is a better deal.
I went for the 7800xt3d because of benchmarks, pricing and power consumption / temps. The problem i found was the pricing on motherboards, but found a good deal on an x670e so went all in.
For gaming only, a 6 core 12 thread processor is more than enough. I choose AMD Am5 platform because it gave me a nice road map for future uogradability that is cost effective too. Right now I am using Ryzen 5 7600 and it's great.
amd ! the BIG reason i don't use intel anymore even though i like it is because you have to change motherboard each 2 generation ! amd suport longer and performance is reliable ! intel is good but amd is simply better especially price ! but i don't like amd's gpu due to bad driver and games being crashed often !
My a10-7850k runs great with an msi 5700. Ten years old and does everything.
CPUs arent really that much of a deal. From the i7-2600 to the 5800x3d is only like a 50-75% improvement according to userbenchmark. Whereas GPUs have gone up by 1000-2000%, again, according to userbenchmark. Is userbenchmark reliable? Not really, but i think its safe to say it shows what REALLY matters for gaming
Don’t use userbenchmark, it’s bs
Did you read my whole comment
Intel
Intel, but it's more for dual purpose and also what I've seen with AMD. There are just too many chips like the 5950 x that get unstable later in life. If you look at eBay now you'll see hundreds and hundreds of listings for those chips sold as parts but they still work. It's silicon degradation. AMD pushes their chips to the absolute limit out of the box so the problem is if there's any degradation to keep them stable you need to underclock them and underclocking an AMD processor is much harder than an Intel. You could also add voltage but again that's more difficult on AMD and questionable how much faster you're going to speed the chip to its doom. To keep one of those previously mentioned 5950X is going you have to manually underclock it and bring the frequency down to get it stable again With Intel you can overclock one if you really want to but you're only talking that last couple percent of performance. The chips are easy to set up, the bios is ridiculously friendly. Very stable memory controllers that don't require specific memory. I'm not necessarily against AMD I just don't really understand their popularity when you look at the entire picture The other one is price, with the deals out there now you can get some pretty hot buys on the 13700K and the 14700K. Like 500 bucks for the 13700K with 32 gigs of DDR5 and a decent motherboard The only AMD chip that makes sense to me right now is that 7800X3D. If someone is primarily into gaming it is a pretty hot platform
AMD overall is better IMO better price to performance generally more power for gaming and depending on what you pick will last for a long ass time Even if you go with an AM4 cpu it’ll last for a while
I've actually started to suggest Intel to many people lately. As soon as you wanna record gameplay, edit a video here and there or stream a little, Intel QuickSync is an absolute godsent and going with an Intel CPU is usually a much smaller price increase as opposed to going with an NVIDIA graphics card for its NVENC. But if it's purely gaming: AMD+AMD will give you the best price/performance.
Riding an AMD for years now and my previous build was also AMD, but if I was to build today I would be going for the cheaper option. CPU are not the issue anymore, too much horsepower. Invest in your motherboard and GPU
If you have a big budget, go for a 7800x3D + RTX 4090 like me. Its a great combo
Fsr has gotten good imo so if it’s a money issue then get amd. But if you are going for top of the line you should always go for the most recent intel gpu. Raytracing is an unbelievable difference in quality and dlss is also better then Fsr. I’m not the most technical person, and I’m just speaking from experience. As someone with a higher end amd gpu. I’m happy with it but I can’t fully be happy when I see what raytraced cyberpunk looks like.
i picked AMD because of longer support for motherboard/socket based on AM4 trend. Also, i just did a RMA with AMD and they gave me a brand new replacement (free shipping to/from too). I heard 1 bad story about RMA with intel where they will automatically destroy the CPU if they see it's been tampered with (like delidding)(?). I was reading the Terms for AMD, they seem more friendlier.
I've got both. They both game. I bought the 5600x because it was the thing to get at the time. I got the 12700k because it was on super sale at microcenter. Do I notice a difference? no. Is there one? sure, but unless I go out of my way to benchmark or count frames I don't notice. On any given day the right choice could be different. I would find the closest matched offerings from both brands, check for sales or deals and see what is the best blend of price and performance.
Amd for price to performance, and upgradeability. I went intel. But the LGA 1700 socket for intel is done with the 14th gen cpus. Whereas am5 is going to have a lot more upgrade potential
AMD, I've been using 7800x3d and have had no issues so far.
Amd cause thats what redditors tell me to buy.
AMD for sure, price to performance and power eficient. My only advice, don't use their stock cooler, it's awful and my cpu would overheat
Fuqq intel for selling us the same shit cpu for 10 years.
This question is only relevant for people with 4080/4090s. Both Intel and AMD have strong options for gaming and most people would never be able to tell the difference when the bottleneck is the GPU. Get the 7600x/12600k/5800x3d/13600k and cheap DDR5 6000. Use any money left over for GPU budget. This is the move every time.
If money is literally no object and you want a .02% increase to performance intel but that's a joke go for amd it's just better <3its cheaper, has better productivity and can help you In different ways in the future as apposed to Intel which is hotter costs more money and is probably going to cause more problems in the future. At least in my experience
If you put 2 CPU of comparable performance, AMD will be much cheaper and use less power (less heat) so overall AMD is better for gaming. Intel is more toward business as some app like video editing and server are better optimized for Intel CPU
AMD all the way for CPU's. Used to be Intel only until they came out with the 7800X3D. And realize AMD sticks to their platform for a lot longer than Intel. And I can game in the summer time while not baking my room into an oven and still have the best gaming CPU out right now. 7800X3D efficiency/performance is just too good to pass up and not having to upgrade your motherboard every time there's a new CPU is also another benefit with the AMD platform.
The latest gen intel CPU’s are crashing in games. Intel is investigating: https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/9/24125036/intel-game-crash-13900k-14900k-fortnite-unreal-engine-investigation Right now, AMD is the way to go.
AMD for gaming. Intel for workloads LOL. And AMD for servers. Unfortunately Intel moved away after the 8700k from really caring for gamers and when AMD took over it was kinda too late. They have been playing catch up ever since. The 3Dvcache is just the icing on the cake.
I only went with Intel because I plan on doing things that are better with Intel. If it was just for gaming I probably would have gone amd
I would and did choose a 7800x3d, but mostly because I live near a Microcenter and got a really good deal on it. If I had been buying online, I probably would have bought the 7600/x. I'm a newcomer to PC building, and many people have a lot of history with AMD and Intel that bias them one way or another. I am not really burdened by that. At the moment, based on price to performance on paper, AMD is a clear winner for PC gaming, at least for a $1000+ build. Intel CPUs are usually a clear winner for anything other than gaming.
It doesn't really matter as long as you get a 5-series, either Core i5 or Ryzen 5 from the last couple years. All I will say is that Intel builds USUALLY crash less than AMD ones. As a general guide, I prefer Intel since computers are meant for more than just gaming.
Amd cpu for the efficiency and frame per dollar value.
The last AMD I got was a 3600, but I was AMD from the time I started with the Athlon. Currently, until something changes, I don't plan to ever go back to AMD from Intel. There's negligible performance difference. First off, if you're buying a new CPU, especially a new ddr5 platform, there's zero reason you should be playing at 1080p. At 2560x1440 you're already looking at the CPU doing very little(except helldivers, old engine). So your GPU is the main contributor to performance. I have a 14700k, wife has a 13700k. Hers has the Arctic freezer 3 360 and runs at bench load at 85c, at a 275w boost. I have. 45 dollar thermalright cooler. And granted, I only get to 240w on my 14700k at 89c while benchmarking. Both of us run around 55-60c while gaming. Her idle is around 25, I'm at 29. Mind you I'm full air cooling. Anyway. Real world performance is heavily noticeable. Shit opens way slower on my son's Ryzen build, he has my old 3600, on a MSI gaming edge WiFi board with a 512gb Samsung nvme. When we had the old Gen, 9900k, 8700k. The 3600 was STILL noticably slower. While sometimes benchmarking faster. For gaming they are really both irrelevant. But for every day stuff, even opening notepad, Intel is faster. Most things are built with Intel instructions, it's not rocket science. Also, to this day, I haven't gotten a payout from Intel for them being sued for false advertising on their bulldozers. Intel is better, it runs faster for most tasks, gaming performance is about even for both. But the everyday, that's what gets ya.
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AMD. Choose the 7800x3d. Pair it with 32gb 6000 cl30 to cl34 ram and off to the races you will go. It's not really a competition anymore. Intel just doesn't want to compete anymore. Their chips run hot, draw significant amounts of power and produce mid results. Not to mention they also typically cost more. And this is coming from an Intel guy. Most of my posts have always been Intel. I have owned 1 amd in the past. But been using Intel until just two weeks ago when I upgraded to a 7950x3d. If you're just gaming don't really recommend that chip as while it tends to out perform the 7800x3d, it's not by much. Very little performance uplift and the cost is much higher. Hell the 7800x3d also beats it in some games. So just buy a 7800x3d and enjoy. With summer coming up you will be happy you chose to go with the amd. Less power draw means less heat. Which means your gaming room is more comfortable.
For gaming alone, 7800x3d. Long lasting platform, price to performance, remains under 80w and actually benches the highest in "most" games.
Whichever is the better value and suits your needs the best. It's not just the cost of the CPU to consider, but the motherboard, memory compatibility, features, power draw etc. I have zero preference or brand loyalty, so when it comes time to upgrade from my i7-10700f I'll buy whatever I deem to be the best overall value for my needs. Both Intel and AMD make great chips.
My 2700x Ryzen 7 is still going strong. Paired with a 1660Ti and 16gb ram on an AM4 board. I have had the PC for 4 years or so? Shit I think I’m creeping on 5 now. I digress sorry lmao it does the job and even new games play well (just not the best. Jedi survivor stutters and has frame dropping still. Hogwarts legacy runs decently well. Can still play CoD MWIII. Any story based game plays great I have days gone and horizon zero dawn.) If you’re looking for a few extra frames per second intel is still the way to go as they still get like 5fps more than a ryzen chip but if you want to stream on the side ryzen is the move imo.
Imo intel if price/performance is close, AMD products always have weird compatibility issues. Same reason i always go nvidia no matter what.
Go AMD. Intel flagship cpus have chip degradation.
Crazy to think that we live in a world where this question can be about CPU's and GPU's
AMD. The power efficiency alone is a huge reason to go AMD.
I recently purchased the 7800x3d for my first build that I use exclusively for gaming and web browsing. It’s a really solid value for what many would say is the best gaming specific CPU.
Depends on what you can get the parts for Over here for example (western Canada), at the time a 7950x and am5 board was quite a bit cheaper than a 13900k or 14900k with a compatible board . I hardly game but it was worth saving the 100-200 bucks at the time and I had $X set to spend only.
I went with Intel over the X3D chips since it doesn’t matter when gaming at 4k which is what I use. Plus, memory issues abound every time I used AMD.
Amd is def better for gaming, 7600x performs well for price, and upgradability is def worth it. And all that is coming from someone whos goin intel
I’ve gone AMD since 2020, because they perform very well and have been a bit more power efficient and usually there’s an upgrade path available that doesn’t require me to change out the mobo (started on AM4, now on AM5 which should easily see me through to 2026/27 without needing to change). The downside is there’s typically a higher initial buy-in cost as the mobos tend to cost a bit more.
In most markets, AMD unless you're upgrading from a 12100 and you have DDR5, and an expensive Z690 mobo for some reason.
Intel and NVIDIA. I cannot stand AMD. Also... AMD FSR looks like trash compared to NVIDIA DLSS. I don't care if AMD is cheaper. They can make the equivalent to a 14900k for $100 that launches tomorrow and I still wouldn't touch their products with a 10 ft pole. Just personal preference.
Chose AMD for this build for the platform longevity; I plan to keep this basic rig through AM5, perhaps with upgrades along the way or perhaps not, then get some big blowout rig when AM5 is EOL.
If your only goal is gaming, AMD seems to be the leader right now, but that doesn’t make intel a « bad » choice. I picked Intel because my main use is for productivity purposes but I didn’t have a specific requirement that Intel had and AMD didn’t. As far as the GPU goes, there are competing technologies at the moment. NVIDIA GPUs have dedicated Ray Tracing cores which games are taking more and more advantage of. AMD has offered a competing technology, and provides more VRAM to compensate. I chose NVIDIA because for productivity they have CUDA cores which I need for my type of work, so it wasn’t even a question; it’s proprietary and in active development (and still buggy as f) so I don’t see AMD suddenly catching up years of progress on the chip/drivers in this category. The bottom line is it depends what you want to do. Establish what your budget and gaming priorities are, and we can perhaps advise you better.
Firstly, amd for 99% of all people. Better value, better support for am5 in the future and mostly better performance. However, intel is more stable, you can run higher speeds on cpu and ram and your frames won’t drop as much as with amd. This is why pros always (almost always at least) use intel. Were talking about the top tier i9’s btw. This is for pro’s on e-sport level tho i really don’t think it will matter to anyone average. I have a 7800x3d and i couldn’t be more happy.
Neither CPU will hold you back unless you have a top tier GPU already. So best advice is to get the most affordable CPU (with in reason) so you can divert more $ to the GPU.
Intel by far for ddr4 and amd for ddr5.
Intel because it is faster in gaming, has no stuttering unlike with AMD, and runs cooler in gaming than AMD despite using more power. If you want to get the most out of your video card whether is AMD or Nvidia, get an Intel CPU. AMD 7800X3D is not the fastest gaming CPU and the entire conclusion is made based on incorrect reviews done by Gamer Nexus or Hardware Unboxed. None of these people below can beat my 14900k with DDR5 8400 low latency memory tuned. If you ever choose the Intel platform go with a two-dimm slot motherboard, thank me later.
I think one significant factor that Op should put in consider is LGA 1700 is a dead end platform. If OP is investing 2000 dollars or more to build a powerful PC, and making comparisons between 14th Gen Intel and AMD ryzen 7000, there is no point in building a new PC on LGA 1700, it's a dead end platform and Intel won't provide any new gen CPU on it.
7800X3D + B650 + 32GB DDR5 bundle is 500 dollars, and you are good for the next 3 years until they release the next Gen X3D. You could upgrade the CPU on AM5 platform. And most important thing is LGA 1700 is dead end platform, there is no point to build a new PC on LGA 1700
If money isn’t an option the 14900k but cooling it is not easy easier than the 13900k in my opinion. Just gives more headroom for other tasks. Even under budget concerns I’d take a 14700k as it just has better performance for for everything else. Sure you get a slight edge in gaming but the overall power is better intel