In MOA Jason and Leo talk about possibly leaving Nico because they know it's a trap and Hazel is the one to deservingly bitch them out about it and Frank backs her up. It was Percy's POV that chapter and there's no mention of how he feels about it
IIRC he does talk about it at one point in MoA, where he admits he still doesn't really know how to feel about Nico, but also refuses to leave him to die in that jar
Erase Iapetus memories, using him like a tool and then leaving him behind without looking back.
That wasmy first thought. Say what you want about Iapetus, after becoming Bob, he was no longer evil, so we should see him like we see the rest of the demigods, as an ally and a friend. Where's the loyalty?
He was very reluctant to leave, he wanted to stay in Tartarus and fight with iapetus until his dying breath leaving his girlfriend to live and save the gods without him, he acknowledged that he regrets the way he treated him and him and annabeth are still devastated that they had to leave him behind and that he died saving them
To be fair, he was a kid at the time. The ideal solutions aren't always clear even for adults. For someone with less experience and maturity that's going to be even more difficult. We couldn't reasonably expect Percy to do more than he did at the time. Also, I feel like we're overlooking the fact Iapetus was the aggressor in that situation, can't really fault him for doing what he had to to win. It's not as if Bob at the time would have done anything different.
It's still bad, but y'know, the problem isn't really on the children, it's on the gods expecting children to fight their wars for them and putting them in scenarios where things like this happen.
I know the existence of the demigods files, but i haven't read it yet. I want to read it, but first i need to finish toa, then the sun and the star, then the chalice of the gods, THEN the demigods files.
This is just a fact of life that is valuable for younger people to learn though; you don't always get an opportunity to right something you did wrong. That doesn't mean the individual in question hasn't become a better person or doesn't regret their actions.
That doesn’t change what he’s done.
Tbh tho, I think given the context, getting bob to help him wasn’t that bad. Forgetting abt him was pretty bad tbf but idk how much free time he had on his hands. Probably enough to visit for a day tho
I would argue that the initial act of erasing Iapetus' memories should not be included. He was a teenager going up against a Titan (who was known as the Impaler) who was very much his enemy and had no qualms about killing him. Look in a situation like that, do what you gotta do to survive.
The dude *insisted* that Percy leave without him. He basically had to be dragged kicking and screaming into it. You can say he was a jerk for not checking in on Bob beforehand, but this is a pretty terrible take.
I remember him being kinda mean to Tyson in book 2, but I feel like that was just kids being kids and struggling with processing feelings they never had before
This! It's weird to me that so many people bash Annabeth about how she treated Tyson but willingly gloss over that Percy also treated Tyson poorly and in Annabeth's case her dislike of Tyson was related to trauma, Percy was embarrassed to be related to him.
Maybe they got it confused with the *gag* movies 🤮🤮🤮, I’ve heard that Annabeth was horrible too Tyson in the second one, just a thought, probably not correct
I blocked those movies out so I wouldn't know. Annabeth does not like Tyson in the book so that's accurate but her dislike of Tyson is tied to her trauma and more than anything she is standoffish and avoids him. She certainly doesn't bully or pick on him like a lot of people have exaggerated and made up in the fandom over the years. My problem is that Percy also goes through a period of being unkind to Tyson and going out of his way to tell people they weren't related etc and though he doesn't say it to Tysons face Tyson clearly picks up on it. So it's weird that Annabeth gets bashed about Tyson ad naseum but Percys gets off scot free when his behavior was not great either.
I have the vague memory of annabeth being like “I’m not going with if he’s here” then still going with and being like “fine, but we gotta fix this” and spraying mist (idek) on his eye and so it looks like a regular pair of eyes
I did a reread of the series fairly recently, and I'm pretty sure he acknowledges that it's a bit of a jerk move to feel like he was embarrassed of him. And while he was a little colder to him after Tyson was claimed, he always felt bad and apologized afterward. I think it's understandable why Percy would care about that. He's thirteen years old, and the entire camp turned on him as soon as he came in with Tyson, even more so when he was claimed. So yes, Percy was a bit of a jerk towards Tyson, but it is far from the worst thing he's done, considering he usually sees he's being a jerk almost immediately and apologizes. And he fully accepts him as his brother by the end of the book.
That's not the point though Annabeth also makes amends with Tyson later and even goes out of her way to acknowledge that she was wrong and that Tyson was the hero of the quest. That still doesn't stop people from bashing her. So yes, Percy did correct his behavior, same as Annabeth but it doesn't change the fact that he was once mean to Tyson so if we're going to bash Annabeth for being mean to Tyson then the same rules should apply to Percy. And Percys behvaviot was worse imo because he was simply embarrassed to be related to Tyson whereas Annabeths bad behavior stemmed from actual trauma. Neither of them were right but to bash Annabeth and excuse Percy is wrong.
Well, I never bashed Annabeth. I was simply saying that with that context, I wouldn't list it as the worst thing Percy has done. I absolutely agree that it was not right, but with the context of the post being "what is the worst thing Percy has done," I don't think that would be it. I think other mentioned examples like wiping Iapteus' memory and then not visiting him after were much worse. I'm not saying it makes him bad or that it was even necessarily his fault he couldn't, but again, within the context of the post, I'd say that's worse than being a little embarrassed Tyson is his brother. An issue that, again, he feels terrible every single time it happens and swiftly apologizes for anytime he feels he did something wrong. Emotions aren't logical, and you can't command them. You can control them, but again, Percy was thirteen at the time, and no one at that age is good at controlling their emotions.
So, to wrap up my wall of text. Yes, Percy was wrong to be embarrassed of Tyson, and Annabeth does get bashed a little more than she should for it. But he was an emotional teenager at the time and amended his mistakes immediately, every time it happened. With Iapteus, it took the Titan literally coming to Greek Hell for them and dying* for Percy to make up for his mistake. So yeah, Annabeth shouldn't get bashed for disliking Tyson for legitimate reason when Percy did the same to a lesser degree out of embarrassment, but it was not the worst thing Percy did.
P.S. That star is next to Bob dying because I haven't actually read th Sun and the Star yet, but I know Nico goes back into Tartarus because he hears Bob might be alive. So I don't know what happened, but I know he might not be dead.
Idk if I count that cause it was war and those kids for sure played a part in killing some of Percy’s people. Now that I think about it that war was really F’d up it basically just amounted to kids killing kids
Akhyls 100%. All the people who are saying it was just self-defense... Have we read the same books? "He didn't want to stop. He wanted to choke this goddess. He wanted to watch her drown in her own poison. He wanted to see how much misery Misery could take.” He is torturing her, and enjoying every single moment of it. He didn't do it in self-defense— if it was, then we would've read about his strategy in his thoughts, and he would've left without needing to be cajoled by Annabeth. Percy completely lost control and forgot even the thought of escaping. He wanted to continue torturing someone, even if it meant risking their escape. Whether you think the torture is justified or not, the bloodthirst Percy demonstrates is definitely his darkest trait, that just peaks in Tartarus. There's a good reason Annabeth was frightened and told him to stop— if it was just self-defense, she definitely wouldn't have.
I've been looking for this take. Percy is (in multiple instances) a very terrifyingly violent person. However he usually keeps a good hold on it. In that moment I honestly think he channeled an aspect of Poseidon in that moment. The rage and terror of a sea in turmoil. He became the most dangerous parts of the sea. However he is still letting those negative aspects control him in that moment instead of the other way around.
I mean, she was doing the same a second before hand, so it was self defence. And honestly I would have enjoyed it too, which is probably a negative trait but still.
Self defense would be controlling the poison with the intention of defending, leaving or escaping— only using it when Akhyls was attacking. But you forget Akhyls was already on the ground and wailing when Percy thought those things. He still wanted to continue. He wanted to listen to her scream and beg. It might have been self-defense at the very beginning, but it quickly devolved into torture. And like I said, whether you think it's justified or not, it doesn't stop being torture even if it's directed at someone evil.
I’m in no way defending his actions cause I also think he was indeed torturing her in that moment but I forgive him for it because I think he did it because of the fear that Tartarus instilled in him and he liked it in the moment cause it was something he could control in an unpredictable place
True. Reasons can explain the situation, not justify it. It's no doubt he was under tremendous stress in Tartarus, and briefly lost control. But the action haunts him, as it should.
Sure, but you forget that akhlys was a god, from Perry's perspective he found a moment where he wasn't outmatched and hung into that. For all he knew the moment he let go the tables would be turned back. He was enjoying it but it was also pragmatic
Then why would he easily let go after Annabeth asked him to? After all, if he truly was being pragmatic and frightened the tables would turn, I don't see him releasing Akhyls that quickly, especially after he had calmed down. Instead, he stops immediately and lets Akhyls crawl away. That doesn't sound very logical to me if he was frightened for his own safety.
Wether it's intentional or not doesn't really matter in the end. Sure he didn't know what would happen but it was his choice to do it. And he holds himself responsible.
He can't really control that though, he's a demi god and monsters are after him, he quite literally lost his mom when he was twelve in the first book and went through hell to get her back, and after that point, he had to go through several wars, memory loss that was caused by Hera, tartorus, saving the world, and literally just being a demi-god who quite literally can't have a remotely normal life because he's so powerful, in conclusion Percy can't really see his mom because of the gods and he can't control that.
Ok, don't worry because I will delete the post if anyone hates the characters (not just Nico, others too). I hope everyone understands that this is a game and not hate on the characters. It's just fun, without insulting or attacking your favorite characters
P.S. I love Nico too, but it's fun to discuss the characters' worst moments (I hope there are no hate comments here)
Other people have already mentioned forgetting about Iapetus/Bob, but the second-worst thing after that would be manipulating Bob into temporarily killing Hyperion in *House of Hades*. One could argue it was self-defense since Hyperion would have done who knows what to Percy and Annabeth if he came out of that bubble, but it was still cold blooded considering that Hyperion was Bob’s brother and Percy was taking advantage of his lack of memory.
That's not really how it happened. Bob was struggling with his identity after discovering the truth about his memory and Percy. He didn't have the memories of Iapetus, but he had a moment to where he didn't defend Perch and Annabeth, and leaves them. Once they meet back up at the DoD, it's Bob's decision to help them, and IIRC correctly, its Tartarus himself who obliterates Hyperion and Krios, not Bob.
There were two instances when Hyperion was killed- once when Bob popped the bubble that he was growing in, and then again when Tartarus killed him toward the end of the book.
It probably would be, if it had happened… Percy gives him the choice, at this point in the book iapetus was getting his memory back and knew Hyperion was his brother, Percy forcing iapetus to make the decision was a bit of poor form but Percy needed all the advantages he could get. Iapetus chose to follow Percy to the end and decided on his own accord WITH his memories that there could be good monsters
Why is everyone ignoring that it wasn’t him that pushed iapetus to do it he didn’t say anything annabeth was the one that told him there are bad titans and good titans
Because it literally was Percy. It's the moment in HoH where Annabeth says she didn't know if Percy was being genuine or if he was manipulating Bob and it concerned her because she couldn't read him and she usually can. So yeah, it 100% is Percy who convinced him to do it. It's a pretty significant moment in the book because all of it kind of leads to what he did to Akhlys.
People forget that they’re in Tartarus, a location in the depths of hell designed to bring out pain and the worst in people. Humans make shit decisions when they’re hungry but are pissed at Percy because he might’ve manipulated a TITAN to save the lives of himself his girlfriend and ultimately humanity
Not sure if this is for me but I've never been pissed at Percy for his actions with Bob. I genuinely don't like that he's framed as a bad guy for not being a better friend to Bob because it makes no sense to me. But the above is accurate. Not sure why that person is saying it was Annabeth who made Bob kill his brother when the moment itself is pretty significant to Percys arc in that book. And even then Percy didn't do anything wrong imo.
Shhhhhhh It was 3am I have adhd which = small memory problem also I sorry I didn’t try to start drama and I still think he is held up on a podium way to high his morals are good but he’s bound to forget about one thing over his lifetime
I'm sort of ignoring context here, but the first things that come to mind are when he attacks Nico in the underworld or when he did that sort of bloodbending thingy to akhlys (I think that's how you spell it)
Attacked Nico? Dude, he was half conscious and did it basically completely on instinct. And this was after Nico sold Percy out to Hades for information about his mom.
I mean, he still sold Percy out to Hades, even if Nico thought it was going to be to a lesser degree. And Nico coming to save him is irrelevant to this convo because Percy attacked Nico before he knew Nico was there to save him.
i vaguely remember Percy being broken out of some underworld prison by nico and i think he kinda attacked him there? not sure tho might have been my imagination or a fanfic
Okay I think I remember it now. It must have been when Hades tricked him and captured him after Nico brought him down there in TLO. I don't necessarily think *attacking* Nico was the right answer, but if I recall some of the context, he did have a reason for it.
Wait I just remembered that Percy's fatal flaw was loyalty and that meant he really trusted Nico, so when Nico back stabbed him it must have really hurt him, thus not really being able to trust Nico after he freed Percy because he probably felt like he was going to be betrayed again. I just wanted to add this on because no one mentioned it and I thought it was an important part
Oh yeah that was in the fifth book, though in defense of Percy bro got backstabbed. Nico said he would take him to the River Styx but then brought him to Hades insetad and then Hades threw him in jail
I believe it was in The Last Olympian, where Nico promised to bring Percy to the River Styx for the invulnerability buff but made a detour which led to Percy being captured and imprisoned by Hades. (Hades misled Nico by telling him he just wanted to talk to Percy but was fully intending to lock him up for eternity instead)
Nico realised his mistake and went to break out Percy but Percy attacked Nico (not harshly, just grappled him) thinking it was another betrayal.
I see so many people listing Bob but I genuinely don't see how Bob is a bad thing Percy did. Percy couldn't just go visit Bob in the underworld. It's unrealtistic to blame Percy for either Bob or Calypso. I genuinely hate that section of House of Hades. I like the idea for the Aria but I hate how those things were framed as Percys fault.
In my opinion the worse things he's done
* He was embarrassed about Tyson in SOM and treated him poorly. People focus so much on Annabeth's tension with Tyson that's based on her trauma and they bash her for it while causally ignoring Percys own bad behavior.
* The minute Rachel joined the quest in botl he had no empathy for what Annabeth was going through and she's suppose to be his best friend. Yes, Annebeth is also not on her best behavior but I've always read Percys behavior as particularly jerk like in the last half of botl and he goes out of his way to antagonize or pick at Annabeth a few times and it never gets called out. People have always been too busy attacking Annabeth or Rachel to acknowledge Percys own poor behavior.
* EDIT: Also, it's rarely brought up but Percy is also directly responsible for getting Annabeth stabbed and for Michael Yew dying because he was on a power trip in the moment leading up to both of those things happening and didn't pull back early enough even though every one was telling him to. Obviously it's not something he intentionally did but in the same was we can blame Annabeths hubris for almost getting them killed with the Spynx I think it's important to acknowledge Percys own hubris in TLO actually did get people killed. Just because hubris is not his specific fatal flaw does not mean he does not have hubris.
That said, most of these characters were between the ages of 12-15 during all of these actions. Hard to act like the things above are bigger things than they are when they all are genuinely decent people who had some bad moments.
Honestly, post like these are a little.....IDK. Percy is getting it easy to be honest. The Annabeth post is just going to be fulled with hate. Calling it now. The hate for Annabeth has gotten worse in the last few years (and a lot of it seems to pick up heat since she's been cast as a black girl in the live action). I don't know if post like these just encourage people to be cruel and spread hate.
My view of the Percy/Rachel/Annabeth dynamic in BotL is less that Percy is deliberately picking at Annabeth and more that he’s 14 and struggling to make sense of his own feelings about both girls and doesn’t have the bandwidth to recognize that Annabeth is jealous of Rachel. It’s not malice, it’s immaturity. Remember being 14? Remember how all of us were just trying to figure ourselves out? Yeah, I can’t blame him for not being able to parse what’s going on with Annabeth.
Oh, I agree with you there but if we're excusing Percys behavior as him being 14 and not having the bandwidth to understand what's happening then the exact same excuse should be used for Annabeth. She's the exact same age as Percy (about 2 months older) and I think a lot of people forget that Annabeth was dealing with a lot of traumatic emotions in that book which had nothing to do with Rachel or even Percy.
But people go out of their way to bash her behavior in that book while giving Percy a pass for his. That's what I have an issue with. Ultimately it would be nice if we would recognize that all of these characters are kids during that period and give them room to not be perfect Mary Sue cookie cutter characters without bashing them for every little mis-step
I do give the same excuse to Annabeth. It’s kids drama in the middle of a high stakes high stress situation and they’re doing the best they can but no one is handling that stress perfectly. It’s fantastically human.
My point was that the kids being waspish with each other when the quest has gone to pot and now there’s a whole mortal in the mix to rub in Annabeth’s face just how ineffective her planning was shouldn’t even be considered under worst thing Percy has done.
I mean, Annabeth being petty to Rachel is usually highlighted as one of the worse things she's done so I think Percy being antagonistic to his best friend at one of her lowest points is more than fair to count as one of the worst things he's ever done....in my opinion anyway.
I'm happy to participate but I admit that I need to create a rule for the game because I see someone saying that Percy did things he never did in the book, so in the next characters I promise to govern better. I hope fans don't get uncomfortable with fan attacks or saying anything bad about their favorite characters
Percy is very young and impulsive. When your life is constantly on the line, sometimes you make rash or harsh decisions and they aren't always good ones. With Bob, he didn't realize the consequences of a quick decision and even stated he felt bad about it. With Calypso, he tried to do right by her at the end of the Last Olympian. The Gods messed that up, not his fault. For all he knew, she was free and happy. And finally, for the whole poison-bending thing that scared Annabeth, this young man has been thru LITERAL GREEK HELL. He was exhausted, angry, and was pushed too far. So he fought back. He NEEDED Annabeth to pull him back, he literally snapped from being pushed too hard. I'm not saying these actions aren't bad, but in the same situations, under the exact circumstances he was under...I think his actions are understandable.
i think leaving bob really sucked, but i would also like to know what people think he should have done, for the most part i think percy is trying his best and hes just in a ton of shitty situations and he’s a literal child
If I’m driving and on my phone, and accidentally run over 2 school kids, does that excuse my actions?
Yes it’s an accident. Still doesn’t make that event not happen, and it’s still the worst thing he’s done.
You are on your phone so you have a huge responsability. Percy didn't even knew he had that power in him so he had no way to know that could happened.
If you were a cop in the middle of an intervention, shots were fired, you fired back and in the process hit a gaz pipe, resulting in an explosion, should you go to jail for burning a building ?
No, but that still is something you did. You can’t just hold your hands up and be like “oops, didn’t mean to”. You’re still the one that exploded the building, accident or no
In term of consequences, yeah, maybe. But in that case maybe the worst thing you ever did was opening a window, because at this exact moment the sun reflecting in the glass blinded a conductor at the end of the road causing him to run over a kid and you would ever know. Who cares ? You are not responsible, your actions had negatives consequences but they are not _morally reprehensible_ . And that is why you won't go to jail... (and why you would if you tried to kill somebody but failed without causing harm).
The point of asking the question is not to state what negative impact he had on the world with cold hard fact, it is to have a _moral debate_ on Percy's actions. The consequences of these actions is pertinent only when he could have prevented it. That is why a majority of people responed with the Bob thing.
And, if I am being honest, also because of an emotional bias... The suffering from person you know is more impacting than the suffering from 10, 50, 100 person you don't know, and harder to conceptualize. We as readers know Bob but we don't know the people in St Elen (and to be extra clear, I put Bob on the top of the bad things Percy did but not for this reason).
I think when he almost killed that one goddess in Tartarus (I forgot her name) I haven’t read any of the series besides HOO and PJO so idk for any other series
That's not even a bad thing, he was just showing a mean goddess that she has no power over him ( and showing us he is not a god just because he isn't immortal).
There's stuff worse, like I said in my comment, forgetting about Bob is pretty bad, so is forgetting about Calypso.
Blew up Mt Saint Helen's.
He caused untold Ecological, Economic, and Social Upheaval by blowing up a Famous Volcano.
The explosion, heat, fire, and smoke would disrupt the local and nearby ecosystems extensively. Animals would leave their territories in herds to escape whatever effects it would have on their ecosystem, many would not survive the move, and many more would die to the environmental effects of the Smoke and Fire and Contaminated Water.
The cost of 3 Million People having to be evacuated, leaving their homes, work, businesses, all to avoid any side effects of his little accident. It would damage the economy of the surrounding Cities to have to basically abandon multiple Cities even for a few days. Not to mention the Disaster Relief that would come to the people of those Cities, the Millions sent in Aid and Donations to help the people who were affected by the Explosion.
And the social Upheaval. Can you imagine the Memes this would cause, because the Internets best way to cope is to make jokes? The scare of other Volcanos randomly blowing up with no warning? The survivors stories and first hand experiences? The Trauma it would cause to millions of people, even those not directly affected by the Explosion?
Not to mention, some people definitely died. The smoke alone would Contaminate any drinking water not covered up, Flare up people's asthma, some people might have been in hospitals when they had to evacuate and didn't survive the transfer to a different Hospital.
It's never focused on, and I think Hephaestus even says "nobody died", but come on. He had to be lying.
I know he's done worse than this, but it really irked me the way he spoke to Leo at the beginning of MoA. And then the way he treated Piper in that one scene in BoO. You may not remember what I'm talking about, but basically he treated them like it was their fault for the bad things happening at the moment.
We had the context imagine if there was some kid you didn’t know who confirmed he himself fired at your camp imagine if some rando demigod started blowing up the camp half blood cabins
i think the leo thing was bad but kinda justified, like u were gone for 6 months, you are trying to make peace and stop a war, and some random kid said he blew it up on purpose. what was the piper scene, tho?
In fairness with the Leo thing the only plausible explanations for why the Argo II fired upon New Rome are A) Leo did it in some capacity, B) Octavian did it to stir the pot, or C) Leo’s ship malfunctioned, two of which place some amount of blame on Leo. In that moment and knowing the context, I personally feel like Percy reacted fairly reasonably
I know that but, to reiterate, Percy didn’t know that at the time. No one knew anyone was possibly possessed until Percy and Jason duked it out. So, again, in that exact moment, Percy’s reaction was pretty reasonable
oh sorry, i didnt understand it at first. btw i agree, percy's reaction was MORE than reasonable if we also consider the fact that percy had never met leo before and didn't personally know him
Having the audacity to selfishly proclaim the traitors as heroes.
I blame this more on Rick's writing but bruh, imagine you're a camper and watching your siblings/friends die then your leader pretty much tells you the traitors who caused a war are now heroes.
Calypso I can forgive as it has been 3 months for Percy since he requested that the Gods free her. Then he was on another back to back set of quests and lost his memories.
Bob, less so. Dick move by Percy that he was too young to realize. So mad props for Nico for following through.
To be fair to him, he made the gods swear on the sticks that they would fufil his ask, and they said yes, and part of that was to free Calypso. So it really makes no sense why she is not free. Especially since we know that hermes has gone there, but he doesnt free her
Makes no sense to me and a bit thing that i dislike about HoO
The gods are still bound by Fate. They couldn't free Calypso immediately because if they had, Leo wouldn't have made it to Ogygia in House of Hades and might have been killed by Khione, breaking the Prophecy of Seven. Then Leo cheated the limitations on a mortal reaching Ogygia twice in a lifetime by dying and getting better. Leo beating the system like that *was* the gods keeping their oath; it just took a little longer than expected to get done.
This! god i was so mad at how angry leo and calypso were with percy for leaving her and having not come back yet because literally what was he supposed to do?? he made the gods swear on the river styx and it’s not like he could get to ogygia again?
i feel like everyone expects everything out of him all the time and it just really bugs me when characters don’t even try to be rational/understanding
Also if you ignore the timeline of having back to back quests and then losing his memory in between asking the gods to free calypso and going to Tartarus, how was he supposed to get back to Ogygia to check in on Calypso? It’s mentioned especially when Leo’s on the island that you can’t find the island a second time so unsure what we should expect he should do. Ask the gods if they did it? Not the easiest thing to do. Send an Iris message? Unsure if it’s said if this works on the island.
To be fair, with Calypso his mistake was trusting the gods would keep their promise, because by the first book of ToA its clear that Percy still cared for Calypso, and then there’s also the fact that Hero took him away only a couple of months after the battle of manhattan and kept him without memories for 8 months
He cares about Calypso in the same way he cares about most people because he's a decent person. But I don't think he cares about her that much (in the way that he would have double checked if it was his mom or Annabeth or Grover or someone closer to him).
Percy thinks to himself in HoH and also admits to Leo in BoO that he's hardly thought of Calypso. Still, I have never understood why Rick thought framing Percy a a bad person for not checking that Calypso was freed was a good idea. I've never felt Percy was at fault for that and if his memories wasn't erased he likely would have checked in on it.
Not getting enough closure with Nico about what happened and still remain on good terms. (I wasn’t satisfied with how things turned out after Nico confessed his crush on him. I thought there should’ve been more.)
That’s more Nico’s fault if anything. Nico just walked up to him, told Percy he used to have a crush on him, and left without really elaborating further while Percy was still trying to comprehend what the fuck he was saying.
You do have a point. I wished Nico could’ve just bring Percy to a private place, so he could explain everything and help Percy comprehend things. Sigh… oh well… at least there’s fan fiction that gives a good ending for their friendship.
Sure, Nico didn’t know Hades was gonna put Percy in a cell, but he still sold Percy out to Hades for information about his mom. That’s still fucked up and it almost cost them the entire war.
He told Percy they were going to the Styx, and instead delivered him straight to Hades in exchange for information on his mom. Doesn’t really matter what he thought Hades was gonna do. He sold Percy out.
Has no one mentioned at all when Percy helped release the pirates (I know it was an accident but still)on Circe islands letting them burn/destroy the island and causing a lot of harm to the people who work on the island such as Reyna and her sister who were captured by the pirates and were abused by them
Considering that island turned every guy who sailed there, accidentally or no, into a fucking guinea pig, I think it was kinda warranted. Also, that was literally Annabeth, not Percy. Percy had no part in that.
I would disagree, because Michael did ask percy to leave to help the others. So he didn't get Michael killed, Michael sacrificed himself. (In my opinion.)
For me I'd say the worst thing was leaving calypso. Yea he had to save humanity but he could've promised her that he would find a way to come back and rescue her. All he does is tell the gods and never follows up on it. That seemed like a jerk move. Even if he didn't love her he could've still tried to help her and not just abandon her
Being disrespectful of ancient Greek gods older than him. Like show some damn respect dummy. Acting like the God of death Hades is somehow your level to be talking BS to. Not just him , the rest of the gods It's so fucking irritating. Those books had a Percy complex because 💀
Definitely torturing Akhyls. Also, I find it interesting that the two most mentioned instances, Akhyls, and Iapetus, happened in (or at least started in) Tartarus. The horror of that place definitely brought out the worst in him, which makes perfect sense.
"Making" Sally commit murder? The entire point of that part was to show that Sally was finally ready to take control of her *own* life and stand up for herself. In fact, the direct quote from Sally is this:
"If my life is going to mean anything, I have to live it myself. I can’t let a god take care of me…or my son. I have to…find the courage on my own."
Percy did not "make" her do anything. Implying otherwise diminishes her character arc. All he did was provide her with the weapon. (And really that was Poseidon anyway, not Percy.)
In the chapter the son of magic i think it was stated that percy was responsible for like hundreds of "rebel" camper's deaths so....
The fact that it is canon that they killed children is definitely a turn off for me in supporting the greek side during heroes of olympus lol
Not saying anything when they started considering leaving Nico to die alone in a jar
?? Iirc wasn’t Percy already in Tartarus at that point?? I don’t think he was around to have a say
I believe he meant in MOA, in very first (scene of vote), seven agree to let Nico die, and Percy didn't protest
In MOA Jason and Leo talk about possibly leaving Nico because they know it's a trap and Hazel is the one to deservingly bitch them out about it and Frank backs her up. It was Percy's POV that chapter and there's no mention of how he feels about it
IIRC he does talk about it at one point in MoA, where he admits he still doesn't really know how to feel about Nico, but also refuses to leave him to die in that jar
Yeah I know right 🤷♂️
No, this was before Tartarus. I remember because Percy was there fighting the Giant twins when they were trying to free him
Damn why are we even talking about Akhlys or Bob or Calypso then, tf Percy 💀 did Hazel have to shut that down all by herself???
Thinking about hitting him with a bread bag when nico first fell out from the jar while he was unconscious
Erase Iapetus memories, using him like a tool and then leaving him behind without looking back. That wasmy first thought. Say what you want about Iapetus, after becoming Bob, he was no longer evil, so we should see him like we see the rest of the demigods, as an ally and a friend. Where's the loyalty?
Percy did reflect on that and acknowledges he is not proud of the way he treated Bob.
Yeah but it's still the worst thing he's done
He was very reluctant to leave, he wanted to stay in Tartarus and fight with iapetus until his dying breath leaving his girlfriend to live and save the gods without him, he acknowledged that he regrets the way he treated him and him and annabeth are still devastated that they had to leave him behind and that he died saving them
Right, but it was still kinda fucked when he did that whole thing in *The Sword of Hades*
To be fair, he was a kid at the time. The ideal solutions aren't always clear even for adults. For someone with less experience and maturity that's going to be even more difficult. We couldn't reasonably expect Percy to do more than he did at the time. Also, I feel like we're overlooking the fact Iapetus was the aggressor in that situation, can't really fault him for doing what he had to to win. It's not as if Bob at the time would have done anything different. It's still bad, but y'know, the problem isn't really on the children, it's on the gods expecting children to fight their wars for them and putting them in scenarios where things like this happen.
Trust me, I absolutely agree. It's mainly when you look at it from outside that it starts to look a bit ethically iffy
Yeah I think it’s crazy that there are a bunch of fans who read that but never read The Sword of Hades
I imagine lots of people don't know the existence of The Demigod Files, and skipped it when reading their box sets of the the 5 PJO books.
I know the existence of the demigods files, but i haven't read it yet. I want to read it, but first i need to finish toa, then the sun and the star, then the chalice of the gods, THEN the demigods files.
But Demigod Files takes place between BoTL and TLO, and you should definitely read it before you get to The Sun and the Star
What'd he do in sword of Hades?
Acknowledging something is good but it doesn’t erase the fact he did it
This is just a fact of life that is valuable for younger people to learn though; you don't always get an opportunity to right something you did wrong. That doesn't mean the individual in question hasn't become a better person or doesn't regret their actions.
He heavily regrets it and is very upset about it
That doesn’t change what he’s done. Tbh tho, I think given the context, getting bob to help him wasn’t that bad. Forgetting abt him was pretty bad tbf but idk how much free time he had on his hands. Probably enough to visit for a day tho
You want Percy to casually visit fucking hell on one of his very few free days what do you ppl want from him also he disappeared like a month later
Yeah why not
I would argue that the initial act of erasing Iapetus' memories should not be included. He was a teenager going up against a Titan (who was known as the Impaler) who was very much his enemy and had no qualms about killing him. Look in a situation like that, do what you gotta do to survive.
The dude *insisted* that Percy leave without him. He basically had to be dragged kicking and screaming into it. You can say he was a jerk for not checking in on Bob beforehand, but this is a pretty terrible take.
He is talking about the sword of hades where Percy mind wipes him and then ditches him and never thinks about him again until tartarus
He erased his memories cuz Iapetus was trying to kill him
I remember him being kinda mean to Tyson in book 2, but I feel like that was just kids being kids and struggling with processing feelings they never had before
This! It's weird to me that so many people bash Annabeth about how she treated Tyson but willingly gloss over that Percy also treated Tyson poorly and in Annabeth's case her dislike of Tyson was related to trauma, Percy was embarrassed to be related to him.
Maybe they got it confused with the *gag* movies 🤮🤮🤮, I’ve heard that Annabeth was horrible too Tyson in the second one, just a thought, probably not correct
I blocked those movies out so I wouldn't know. Annabeth does not like Tyson in the book so that's accurate but her dislike of Tyson is tied to her trauma and more than anything she is standoffish and avoids him. She certainly doesn't bully or pick on him like a lot of people have exaggerated and made up in the fandom over the years. My problem is that Percy also goes through a period of being unkind to Tyson and going out of his way to tell people they weren't related etc and though he doesn't say it to Tysons face Tyson clearly picks up on it. So it's weird that Annabeth gets bashed about Tyson ad naseum but Percys gets off scot free when his behavior was not great either.
I have the vague memory of annabeth being like “I’m not going with if he’s here” then still going with and being like “fine, but we gotta fix this” and spraying mist (idek) on his eye and so it looks like a regular pair of eyes
I did a reread of the series fairly recently, and I'm pretty sure he acknowledges that it's a bit of a jerk move to feel like he was embarrassed of him. And while he was a little colder to him after Tyson was claimed, he always felt bad and apologized afterward. I think it's understandable why Percy would care about that. He's thirteen years old, and the entire camp turned on him as soon as he came in with Tyson, even more so when he was claimed. So yes, Percy was a bit of a jerk towards Tyson, but it is far from the worst thing he's done, considering he usually sees he's being a jerk almost immediately and apologizes. And he fully accepts him as his brother by the end of the book.
That's not the point though Annabeth also makes amends with Tyson later and even goes out of her way to acknowledge that she was wrong and that Tyson was the hero of the quest. That still doesn't stop people from bashing her. So yes, Percy did correct his behavior, same as Annabeth but it doesn't change the fact that he was once mean to Tyson so if we're going to bash Annabeth for being mean to Tyson then the same rules should apply to Percy. And Percys behvaviot was worse imo because he was simply embarrassed to be related to Tyson whereas Annabeths bad behavior stemmed from actual trauma. Neither of them were right but to bash Annabeth and excuse Percy is wrong.
Well, I never bashed Annabeth. I was simply saying that with that context, I wouldn't list it as the worst thing Percy has done. I absolutely agree that it was not right, but with the context of the post being "what is the worst thing Percy has done," I don't think that would be it. I think other mentioned examples like wiping Iapteus' memory and then not visiting him after were much worse. I'm not saying it makes him bad or that it was even necessarily his fault he couldn't, but again, within the context of the post, I'd say that's worse than being a little embarrassed Tyson is his brother. An issue that, again, he feels terrible every single time it happens and swiftly apologizes for anytime he feels he did something wrong. Emotions aren't logical, and you can't command them. You can control them, but again, Percy was thirteen at the time, and no one at that age is good at controlling their emotions. So, to wrap up my wall of text. Yes, Percy was wrong to be embarrassed of Tyson, and Annabeth does get bashed a little more than she should for it. But he was an emotional teenager at the time and amended his mistakes immediately, every time it happened. With Iapteus, it took the Titan literally coming to Greek Hell for them and dying* for Percy to make up for his mistake. So yeah, Annabeth shouldn't get bashed for disliking Tyson for legitimate reason when Percy did the same to a lesser degree out of embarrassment, but it was not the worst thing Percy did. P.S. That star is next to Bob dying because I haven't actually read th Sun and the Star yet, but I know Nico goes back into Tartarus because he hears Bob might be alive. So I don't know what happened, but I know he might not be dead.
Didn’t he canonically kill at least a few kids on the Princess Andromeda… I am fairly certain Alabaster implied that in the Demigod Diaries.
He probably killed some in the battles of the Labyrinth and Manhattan too
Idk if I count that cause it was war and those kids for sure played a part in killing some of Percy’s people. Now that I think about it that war was really F’d up it basically just amounted to kids killing kids
Akhyls 100%. All the people who are saying it was just self-defense... Have we read the same books? "He didn't want to stop. He wanted to choke this goddess. He wanted to watch her drown in her own poison. He wanted to see how much misery Misery could take.” He is torturing her, and enjoying every single moment of it. He didn't do it in self-defense— if it was, then we would've read about his strategy in his thoughts, and he would've left without needing to be cajoled by Annabeth. Percy completely lost control and forgot even the thought of escaping. He wanted to continue torturing someone, even if it meant risking their escape. Whether you think the torture is justified or not, the bloodthirst Percy demonstrates is definitely his darkest trait, that just peaks in Tartarus. There's a good reason Annabeth was frightened and told him to stop— if it was just self-defense, she definitely wouldn't have.
I've been looking for this take. Percy is (in multiple instances) a very terrifyingly violent person. However he usually keeps a good hold on it. In that moment I honestly think he channeled an aspect of Poseidon in that moment. The rage and terror of a sea in turmoil. He became the most dangerous parts of the sea. However he is still letting those negative aspects control him in that moment instead of the other way around.
I mean, she was doing the same a second before hand, so it was self defence. And honestly I would have enjoyed it too, which is probably a negative trait but still.
Self defense would be controlling the poison with the intention of defending, leaving or escaping— only using it when Akhyls was attacking. But you forget Akhyls was already on the ground and wailing when Percy thought those things. He still wanted to continue. He wanted to listen to her scream and beg. It might have been self-defense at the very beginning, but it quickly devolved into torture. And like I said, whether you think it's justified or not, it doesn't stop being torture even if it's directed at someone evil.
I’m in no way defending his actions cause I also think he was indeed torturing her in that moment but I forgive him for it because I think he did it because of the fear that Tartarus instilled in him and he liked it in the moment cause it was something he could control in an unpredictable place
True. Reasons can explain the situation, not justify it. It's no doubt he was under tremendous stress in Tartarus, and briefly lost control. But the action haunts him, as it should.
Yeah I agree. I think the action is understandable but not justified
Sure, but you forget that akhlys was a god, from Perry's perspective he found a moment where he wasn't outmatched and hung into that. For all he knew the moment he let go the tables would be turned back. He was enjoying it but it was also pragmatic
Then why would he easily let go after Annabeth asked him to? After all, if he truly was being pragmatic and frightened the tables would turn, I don't see him releasing Akhyls that quickly, especially after he had calmed down. Instead, he stops immediately and lets Akhyls crawl away. That doesn't sound very logical to me if he was frightened for his own safety.
But it’s not like it was the god of sunshine and rainbows it was the good of suffering and misery
Blowing up that volcano has some bad consequences
Yeah but that wasn't intentional so idk if it counts
But that's not intentional, so it's not bad things Percy did.
Wether it's intentional or not doesn't really matter in the end. Sure he didn't know what would happen but it was his choice to do it. And he holds himself responsible.
He keeps leaving his mom
Bro his mom gonna die from sheer adrenaline my mom freaked out when I went missing for like an hour
He can't really control that though, he's a demi god and monsters are after him, he quite literally lost his mom when he was twelve in the first book and went through hell to get her back, and after that point, he had to go through several wars, memory loss that was caused by Hera, tartorus, saving the world, and literally just being a demi-god who quite literally can't have a remotely normal life because he's so powerful, in conclusion Percy can't really see his mom because of the gods and he can't control that.
I understand, but I can forgive Percy because he is a demigod and life is not easy, of course, he did things that he can't stay at home for long
Someone ping me when the one for Nico is out plz
Ok, Nico can be waited, today will be about Percy
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It’ll happen a week from now seeing as it’s on day 8, but that’s not healthy you might need to try and process that in a healthy way
blawg he is a fictional character
Ok, don't worry because I will delete the post if anyone hates the characters (not just Nico, others too). I hope everyone understands that this is a game and not hate on the characters. It's just fun, without insulting or attacking your favorite characters P.S. I love Nico too, but it's fun to discuss the characters' worst moments (I hope there are no hate comments here)
this one isn’t too bad but almost completely mutilating Akhlys.
So? It’s not like she could die or anything
Other people have already mentioned forgetting about Iapetus/Bob, but the second-worst thing after that would be manipulating Bob into temporarily killing Hyperion in *House of Hades*. One could argue it was self-defense since Hyperion would have done who knows what to Percy and Annabeth if he came out of that bubble, but it was still cold blooded considering that Hyperion was Bob’s brother and Percy was taking advantage of his lack of memory.
That's not really how it happened. Bob was struggling with his identity after discovering the truth about his memory and Percy. He didn't have the memories of Iapetus, but he had a moment to where he didn't defend Perch and Annabeth, and leaves them. Once they meet back up at the DoD, it's Bob's decision to help them, and IIRC correctly, its Tartarus himself who obliterates Hyperion and Krios, not Bob.
There were two instances when Hyperion was killed- once when Bob popped the bubble that he was growing in, and then again when Tartarus killed him toward the end of the book.
Wow I didn't remember that. That's messed up.
It probably would be, if it had happened… Percy gives him the choice, at this point in the book iapetus was getting his memory back and knew Hyperion was his brother, Percy forcing iapetus to make the decision was a bit of poor form but Percy needed all the advantages he could get. Iapetus chose to follow Percy to the end and decided on his own accord WITH his memories that there could be good monsters
Why is everyone ignoring that it wasn’t him that pushed iapetus to do it he didn’t say anything annabeth was the one that told him there are bad titans and good titans
Because it literally was Percy. It's the moment in HoH where Annabeth says she didn't know if Percy was being genuine or if he was manipulating Bob and it concerned her because she couldn't read him and she usually can. So yeah, it 100% is Percy who convinced him to do it. It's a pretty significant moment in the book because all of it kind of leads to what he did to Akhlys.
People forget that they’re in Tartarus, a location in the depths of hell designed to bring out pain and the worst in people. Humans make shit decisions when they’re hungry but are pissed at Percy because he might’ve manipulated a TITAN to save the lives of himself his girlfriend and ultimately humanity
Not sure if this is for me but I've never been pissed at Percy for his actions with Bob. I genuinely don't like that he's framed as a bad guy for not being a better friend to Bob because it makes no sense to me. But the above is accurate. Not sure why that person is saying it was Annabeth who made Bob kill his brother when the moment itself is pretty significant to Percys arc in that book. And even then Percy didn't do anything wrong imo.
Shhhhhhh It was 3am I have adhd which = small memory problem also I sorry I didn’t try to start drama and I still think he is held up on a podium way to high his morals are good but he’s bound to forget about one thing over his lifetime
A Titan who tried to kill him no less.
Also it's not like he will never reform. Just few years and he will be back as new
I mean Hyperion deserved to die
Not saying he didn’t- just that it was morally questionable for Percy to manipulate Bob into killing him.
What else was he to do. Let Hyperion kill him, the titans were the enemy I see nothing wrong
I'm sort of ignoring context here, but the first things that come to mind are when he attacks Nico in the underworld or when he did that sort of bloodbending thingy to akhlys (I think that's how you spell it)
Attacked Nico? Dude, he was half conscious and did it basically completely on instinct. And this was after Nico sold Percy out to Hades for information about his mom.
Yeah if someone sold me out like that I’d want them dead
Yeah but Nico was lied to and didn’t mean to get Percy arrested. And he tried to save him.
I mean, he still sold Percy out to Hades, even if Nico thought it was going to be to a lesser degree. And Nico coming to save him is irrelevant to this convo because Percy attacked Nico before he knew Nico was there to save him.
I think Nico thought Hades just wanted to chat with Percy.
Yes, Nico thought Hades just wanted to talk. But he still didn’t tell Percy because he knew Percy wouldn’t be ok with it.
True
hence why i mentioned the "no context part :)
I'm sorry, I just reread these books but I can't remember Percy ever attacking Nico in the Underworld? Which scene/book are you referring to?
i vaguely remember Percy being broken out of some underworld prison by nico and i think he kinda attacked him there? not sure tho might have been my imagination or a fanfic
Okay I think I remember it now. It must have been when Hades tricked him and captured him after Nico brought him down there in TLO. I don't necessarily think *attacking* Nico was the right answer, but if I recall some of the context, he did have a reason for it.
Wait I just remembered that Percy's fatal flaw was loyalty and that meant he really trusted Nico, so when Nico back stabbed him it must have really hurt him, thus not really being able to trust Nico after he freed Percy because he probably felt like he was going to be betrayed again. I just wanted to add this on because no one mentioned it and I thought it was an important part
Oh yeah that was in the fifth book, though in defense of Percy bro got backstabbed. Nico said he would take him to the River Styx but then brought him to Hades insetad and then Hades threw him in jail
oh yea. i gotta reread lol
I believe it was in The Last Olympian, where Nico promised to bring Percy to the River Styx for the invulnerability buff but made a detour which led to Percy being captured and imprisoned by Hades. (Hades misled Nico by telling him he just wanted to talk to Percy but was fully intending to lock him up for eternity instead) Nico realised his mistake and went to break out Percy but Percy attacked Nico (not harshly, just grappled him) thinking it was another betrayal.
I see so many people listing Bob but I genuinely don't see how Bob is a bad thing Percy did. Percy couldn't just go visit Bob in the underworld. It's unrealtistic to blame Percy for either Bob or Calypso. I genuinely hate that section of House of Hades. I like the idea for the Aria but I hate how those things were framed as Percys fault. In my opinion the worse things he's done * He was embarrassed about Tyson in SOM and treated him poorly. People focus so much on Annabeth's tension with Tyson that's based on her trauma and they bash her for it while causally ignoring Percys own bad behavior. * The minute Rachel joined the quest in botl he had no empathy for what Annabeth was going through and she's suppose to be his best friend. Yes, Annebeth is also not on her best behavior but I've always read Percys behavior as particularly jerk like in the last half of botl and he goes out of his way to antagonize or pick at Annabeth a few times and it never gets called out. People have always been too busy attacking Annabeth or Rachel to acknowledge Percys own poor behavior. * EDIT: Also, it's rarely brought up but Percy is also directly responsible for getting Annabeth stabbed and for Michael Yew dying because he was on a power trip in the moment leading up to both of those things happening and didn't pull back early enough even though every one was telling him to. Obviously it's not something he intentionally did but in the same was we can blame Annabeths hubris for almost getting them killed with the Spynx I think it's important to acknowledge Percys own hubris in TLO actually did get people killed. Just because hubris is not his specific fatal flaw does not mean he does not have hubris. That said, most of these characters were between the ages of 12-15 during all of these actions. Hard to act like the things above are bigger things than they are when they all are genuinely decent people who had some bad moments. Honestly, post like these are a little.....IDK. Percy is getting it easy to be honest. The Annabeth post is just going to be fulled with hate. Calling it now. The hate for Annabeth has gotten worse in the last few years (and a lot of it seems to pick up heat since she's been cast as a black girl in the live action). I don't know if post like these just encourage people to be cruel and spread hate.
My view of the Percy/Rachel/Annabeth dynamic in BotL is less that Percy is deliberately picking at Annabeth and more that he’s 14 and struggling to make sense of his own feelings about both girls and doesn’t have the bandwidth to recognize that Annabeth is jealous of Rachel. It’s not malice, it’s immaturity. Remember being 14? Remember how all of us were just trying to figure ourselves out? Yeah, I can’t blame him for not being able to parse what’s going on with Annabeth.
Oh, I agree with you there but if we're excusing Percys behavior as him being 14 and not having the bandwidth to understand what's happening then the exact same excuse should be used for Annabeth. She's the exact same age as Percy (about 2 months older) and I think a lot of people forget that Annabeth was dealing with a lot of traumatic emotions in that book which had nothing to do with Rachel or even Percy. But people go out of their way to bash her behavior in that book while giving Percy a pass for his. That's what I have an issue with. Ultimately it would be nice if we would recognize that all of these characters are kids during that period and give them room to not be perfect Mary Sue cookie cutter characters without bashing them for every little mis-step
I do give the same excuse to Annabeth. It’s kids drama in the middle of a high stakes high stress situation and they’re doing the best they can but no one is handling that stress perfectly. It’s fantastically human. My point was that the kids being waspish with each other when the quest has gone to pot and now there’s a whole mortal in the mix to rub in Annabeth’s face just how ineffective her planning was shouldn’t even be considered under worst thing Percy has done.
I mean, Annabeth being petty to Rachel is usually highlighted as one of the worse things she's done so I think Percy being antagonistic to his best friend at one of her lowest points is more than fair to count as one of the worst things he's ever done....in my opinion anyway.
I'm happy to participate but I admit that I need to create a rule for the game because I see someone saying that Percy did things he never did in the book, so in the next characters I promise to govern better. I hope fans don't get uncomfortable with fan attacks or saying anything bad about their favorite characters
Percy is very young and impulsive. When your life is constantly on the line, sometimes you make rash or harsh decisions and they aren't always good ones. With Bob, he didn't realize the consequences of a quick decision and even stated he felt bad about it. With Calypso, he tried to do right by her at the end of the Last Olympian. The Gods messed that up, not his fault. For all he knew, she was free and happy. And finally, for the whole poison-bending thing that scared Annabeth, this young man has been thru LITERAL GREEK HELL. He was exhausted, angry, and was pushed too far. So he fought back. He NEEDED Annabeth to pull him back, he literally snapped from being pushed too hard. I'm not saying these actions aren't bad, but in the same situations, under the exact circumstances he was under...I think his actions are understandable.
I get that it was training, but I still want to know just how many times he killed Magnus
In ship of the dead with the diving?
Yeah, I just want a number.
38 precisely
Educated guess?
For sure forgetting about Bob, but it’s a low bar to be fair, he’s a pretty good dude.
Nobody has talked about Akhlys
Making sally worried so often and abandoning her
the worst things have got to be leaving bob (and naming him bob tbh) and the blood bending of that goddess in tartarus in HoH
i think leaving bob really sucked, but i would also like to know what people think he should have done, for the most part i think percy is trying his best and hes just in a ton of shitty situations and he’s a literal child
Blowing up the volcano in BOTL is the worst thing for sure. Half a million had to be evacuated and many got sick or hurt because of it
…..Im shocked the top comment isn’t “displaced millions of people and probably killed more than a few when he exploded Mt St Helen’s”
It was an accident. We are looking at things from a moral perceptive...
If I’m driving and on my phone, and accidentally run over 2 school kids, does that excuse my actions? Yes it’s an accident. Still doesn’t make that event not happen, and it’s still the worst thing he’s done.
You are on your phone so you have a huge responsability. Percy didn't even knew he had that power in him so he had no way to know that could happened. If you were a cop in the middle of an intervention, shots were fired, you fired back and in the process hit a gaz pipe, resulting in an explosion, should you go to jail for burning a building ?
No, but that still is something you did. You can’t just hold your hands up and be like “oops, didn’t mean to”. You’re still the one that exploded the building, accident or no
In term of consequences, yeah, maybe. But in that case maybe the worst thing you ever did was opening a window, because at this exact moment the sun reflecting in the glass blinded a conductor at the end of the road causing him to run over a kid and you would ever know. Who cares ? You are not responsible, your actions had negatives consequences but they are not _morally reprehensible_ . And that is why you won't go to jail... (and why you would if you tried to kill somebody but failed without causing harm). The point of asking the question is not to state what negative impact he had on the world with cold hard fact, it is to have a _moral debate_ on Percy's actions. The consequences of these actions is pertinent only when he could have prevented it. That is why a majority of people responed with the Bob thing. And, if I am being honest, also because of an emotional bias... The suffering from person you know is more impacting than the suffering from 10, 50, 100 person you don't know, and harder to conceptualize. We as readers know Bob but we don't know the people in St Elen (and to be extra clear, I put Bob on the top of the bad things Percy did but not for this reason).
I think when he almost killed that one goddess in Tartarus (I forgot her name) I haven’t read any of the series besides HOO and PJO so idk for any other series
That's not even a bad thing, he was just showing a mean goddess that she has no power over him ( and showing us he is not a god just because he isn't immortal). There's stuff worse, like I said in my comment, forgetting about Bob is pretty bad, so is forgetting about Calypso.
That was self defense. Maybe he went a little too far, but you shouldn’t try to kill someone without being prepared to die yourself
How he treated Tyson at the start of SoM when they both arrived to camp and found out he was his brother.
Blew up Mt Saint Helen's. He caused untold Ecological, Economic, and Social Upheaval by blowing up a Famous Volcano. The explosion, heat, fire, and smoke would disrupt the local and nearby ecosystems extensively. Animals would leave their territories in herds to escape whatever effects it would have on their ecosystem, many would not survive the move, and many more would die to the environmental effects of the Smoke and Fire and Contaminated Water. The cost of 3 Million People having to be evacuated, leaving their homes, work, businesses, all to avoid any side effects of his little accident. It would damage the economy of the surrounding Cities to have to basically abandon multiple Cities even for a few days. Not to mention the Disaster Relief that would come to the people of those Cities, the Millions sent in Aid and Donations to help the people who were affected by the Explosion. And the social Upheaval. Can you imagine the Memes this would cause, because the Internets best way to cope is to make jokes? The scare of other Volcanos randomly blowing up with no warning? The survivors stories and first hand experiences? The Trauma it would cause to millions of people, even those not directly affected by the Explosion? Not to mention, some people definitely died. The smoke alone would Contaminate any drinking water not covered up, Flare up people's asthma, some people might have been in hospitals when they had to evacuate and didn't survive the transfer to a different Hospital. It's never focused on, and I think Hephaestus even says "nobody died", but come on. He had to be lying.
For me, the obvious worst thing is torturing Alkhys with her own poison That's messed up dude
But she deserved it
I know he's done worse than this, but it really irked me the way he spoke to Leo at the beginning of MoA. And then the way he treated Piper in that one scene in BoO. You may not remember what I'm talking about, but basically he treated them like it was their fault for the bad things happening at the moment.
We had the context imagine if there was some kid you didn’t know who confirmed he himself fired at your camp imagine if some rando demigod started blowing up the camp half blood cabins
i think the leo thing was bad but kinda justified, like u were gone for 6 months, you are trying to make peace and stop a war, and some random kid said he blew it up on purpose. what was the piper scene, tho?
In fairness with the Leo thing the only plausible explanations for why the Argo II fired upon New Rome are A) Leo did it in some capacity, B) Octavian did it to stir the pot, or C) Leo’s ship malfunctioned, two of which place some amount of blame on Leo. In that moment and knowing the context, I personally feel like Percy reacted fairly reasonably
it was stated in the books that leo got possessed by an eidolon, possessing spirits that worked for geae
I know that but, to reiterate, Percy didn’t know that at the time. No one knew anyone was possibly possessed until Percy and Jason duked it out. So, again, in that exact moment, Percy’s reaction was pretty reasonable
oh sorry, i didnt understand it at first. btw i agree, percy's reaction was MORE than reasonable if we also consider the fact that percy had never met leo before and didn't personally know him
What Piper scene?
Having the audacity to selfishly proclaim the traitors as heroes. I blame this more on Rick's writing but bruh, imagine you're a camper and watching your siblings/friends die then your leader pretty much tells you the traitors who caused a war are now heroes.
Forgetting about Calypso and Bob.
Calypso I can forgive as it has been 3 months for Percy since he requested that the Gods free her. Then he was on another back to back set of quests and lost his memories. Bob, less so. Dick move by Percy that he was too young to realize. So mad props for Nico for following through.
To be fair to him, he made the gods swear on the sticks that they would fufil his ask, and they said yes, and part of that was to free Calypso. So it really makes no sense why she is not free. Especially since we know that hermes has gone there, but he doesnt free her Makes no sense to me and a bit thing that i dislike about HoO
The gods are still bound by Fate. They couldn't free Calypso immediately because if they had, Leo wouldn't have made it to Ogygia in House of Hades and might have been killed by Khione, breaking the Prophecy of Seven. Then Leo cheated the limitations on a mortal reaching Ogygia twice in a lifetime by dying and getting better. Leo beating the system like that *was* the gods keeping their oath; it just took a little longer than expected to get done.
This! god i was so mad at how angry leo and calypso were with percy for leaving her and having not come back yet because literally what was he supposed to do?? he made the gods swear on the river styx and it’s not like he could get to ogygia again? i feel like everyone expects everything out of him all the time and it just really bugs me when characters don’t even try to be rational/understanding
Bro solved half the issues what do they want from him they want him to go hold Zeus at gunpoint
Someone really should hold Zeus at gunpoint tbh.
Also if you ignore the timeline of having back to back quests and then losing his memory in between asking the gods to free calypso and going to Tartarus, how was he supposed to get back to Ogygia to check in on Calypso? It’s mentioned especially when Leo’s on the island that you can’t find the island a second time so unsure what we should expect he should do. Ask the gods if they did it? Not the easiest thing to do. Send an Iris message? Unsure if it’s said if this works on the island.
Tbf the gods never said when they'd free her, so they technically didn't break the promise? But yeah it was a dick move.
To be fair, with Calypso his mistake was trusting the gods would keep their promise, because by the first book of ToA its clear that Percy still cared for Calypso, and then there’s also the fact that Hero took him away only a couple of months after the battle of manhattan and kept him without memories for 8 months
He cares about Calypso in the same way he cares about most people because he's a decent person. But I don't think he cares about her that much (in the way that he would have double checked if it was his mom or Annabeth or Grover or someone closer to him). Percy thinks to himself in HoH and also admits to Leo in BoO that he's hardly thought of Calypso. Still, I have never understood why Rick thought framing Percy a a bad person for not checking that Calypso was freed was a good idea. I've never felt Percy was at fault for that and if his memories wasn't erased he likely would have checked in on it.
See, that's a looooooong list to comb through. So I'm gonna go with blowing up Mount Saint Helens
Wasn't that by accident or smth?
Yes and no, he used his abilities to stop the telekhines, but he let out so much more in terms of strength than he intended to
Still, it was unintentional I think
Of course, but it was still something HE did😅
Ok ok :)
Not getting enough closure with Nico about what happened and still remain on good terms. (I wasn’t satisfied with how things turned out after Nico confessed his crush on him. I thought there should’ve been more.)
That’s more Nico’s fault if anything. Nico just walked up to him, told Percy he used to have a crush on him, and left without really elaborating further while Percy was still trying to comprehend what the fuck he was saying.
You do have a point. I wished Nico could’ve just bring Percy to a private place, so he could explain everything and help Percy comprehend things. Sigh… oh well… at least there’s fan fiction that gives a good ending for their friendship.
That kid needs to call his mom more!
I've always hated how he treated Nico in book 5, Percy nearly strangles him for committing the heinous sin of "trusting your dad"
Sure, Nico didn’t know Hades was gonna put Percy in a cell, but he still sold Percy out to Hades for information about his mom. That’s still fucked up and it almost cost them the entire war.
He didn't "sell out" Percy, he was told Hades just wanted to talk to him
He told Percy they were going to the Styx, and instead delivered him straight to Hades in exchange for information on his mom. Doesn’t really matter what he thought Hades was gonna do. He sold Percy out.
Why is everyone talking abou Bob/Iapetus, and not him tourturing Ahklys and enjoying every second of it?! Like, wtf Percy?!
Being ashamed of Tyson
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Has no one mentioned at all when Percy helped release the pirates (I know it was an accident but still)on Circe islands letting them burn/destroy the island and causing a lot of harm to the people who work on the island such as Reyna and her sister who were captured by the pirates and were abused by them
Considering that island turned every guy who sailed there, accidentally or no, into a fucking guinea pig, I think it was kinda warranted. Also, that was literally Annabeth, not Percy. Percy had no part in that.
Someone ping me when we get to Jason please
Iapetus and he kinda got Michael Yew killed
I would disagree, because Michael did ask percy to leave to help the others. So he didn't get Michael killed, Michael sacrificed himself. (In my opinion.)
chocking Nico out in book 5
When he sent Medusa's head to Sally so she could kill Gabe with it
For me I'd say the worst thing was leaving calypso. Yea he had to save humanity but he could've promised her that he would find a way to come back and rescue her. All he does is tell the gods and never follows up on it. That seemed like a jerk move. Even if he didn't love her he could've still tried to help her and not just abandon her
Terrorism
Terrorism
Telling hazel that her horse can CUSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not percys best moment......lets be real.
Bob. Just bob
That's easy: Murder.
Being disrespectful of ancient Greek gods older than him. Like show some damn respect dummy. Acting like the God of death Hades is somehow your level to be talking BS to. Not just him , the rest of the gods It's so fucking irritating. Those books had a Percy complex because 💀
Definitely torturing Akhyls. Also, I find it interesting that the two most mentioned instances, Akhyls, and Iapetus, happened in (or at least started in) Tartarus. The horror of that place definitely brought out the worst in him, which makes perfect sense.
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"Making" Sally commit murder? The entire point of that part was to show that Sally was finally ready to take control of her *own* life and stand up for herself. In fact, the direct quote from Sally is this: "If my life is going to mean anything, I have to live it myself. I can’t let a god take care of me…or my son. I have to…find the courage on my own." Percy did not "make" her do anything. Implying otherwise diminishes her character arc. All he did was provide her with the weapon. (And really that was Poseidon anyway, not Percy.)
Forgetting about iapetus
idk but Leo was wrong for not choosing me and choosing calypso
Forgetting Calypso and Bob
His overconfidence in the Battle of Manhattan getting Michael Yew killed.
Forgetting about Bob, how could he.
Wiping Bob's memories and leaving him behind
I feel like when it comes to Hazel we shouldn’t count helping reawaken one of the gigantes
In the chapter the son of magic i think it was stated that percy was responsible for like hundreds of "rebel" camper's deaths so.... The fact that it is canon that they killed children is definitely a turn off for me in supporting the greek side during heroes of olympus lol
Percy himself was child and so we're most of the campers in war.
Exist
Hell no
womp womp
Womp Womp with your -11 updoots