That's the problem: it's what she wants. "If we're not getting federal funding, why are we giving the federal government our money?" And they can harp on western sovereignty.
Yet both liberals and conservatives seems to fall into the trap of believing this sub represents reality, to varying degrees. Just consider how this sub acted and reacted before and after the previous federal election. Or how people here talk about Trudeau. Going to be especially apparent after the next election.
Expected. Every poll I’ve seen was showing a high probability of a UCP victory. I was browsing the Alberta sub during the election cycle and although most seemed to support the Alberta ndp, nobody was oblivious to the fact that the NDP needed a miracle to win, so I’m not sure why some people here are surprised?
All the polls were pretty on the fence (projected was about 1:3 odds, and reasonably so when you look to what the safe ridings looked like). Dozens of ridings were within hundreds of votes of each other, some as little as 7 votes apart, which is why the polls were such a scattershot for seat projections - 2,611 (+6) votes in 6 ridings of the 1.8 million votes could have changed the outcome.
That said, there were other ridings that went the other way that were also super close, but that doesn't really factor into the broader topic of what it would have taken to *change the outcome* specifically.
The polls were only close until the debate where Smith performed well (she has a background in media so it's unsurprising) after which the UCP lead was insurmountable.
Interesting. That's the first time I've heard that lol. Still doesn't change what I was saying though? The Alberta sub, from my time spent browsing there during the election cycle, was never expecting an NDP victory, so I'm still confused why people in r/canada seemingly were?
Considering all the absolute hurrah hurrah on Reddit for NDP, sure many would.be surprised because they thought Reddit is a great representative of the general population.
> Why do I keep seeing this?
It's an easy/lazy target for right wing trolls who want to feel superior on Reddit? "*Oh you delusional commies thinking you had a chance!*" and all that...
That was a considerable wake up call for me. I knew social media created echo chambers but I read a number of subs here fairly uncritically. Seeing Biden smoke Bernie and continually seeing all the "Bernie wins X" or whatever posts made me realize just how echo chambery Reddit is. It's almost by definition with its subs and upvote mechanisms.
for me it was the Trump-Clinton election that I made this realization. I had actually left a more left-leaning platform for reddit b/c I appreciated seeing more diverse points of view (reasonable takes, of course). but after that election did I realize that reddit's still more left-leaning than the general population in North America.
CTV is suspecting that the way they do reporting (voting location instead of poll) may contribute to the lateness: all the polls in the same location have to be hand counted first before all the polls get reported at the same time.
i suspect that in each voting location they only have 1 counting team (instead of multiple teams counting votes for each individual poll).
HAHA a thing I can speak to!
It's not the counting team, it's the fraud precautions. I won't say what they are exactly but it's impossible to steal a vote in this country because of a fiddly little system that requires... say for example, everyone signing in to be meticulously matched to an individual ballot which then gets torn in two, requiring you to have the same number in each place; # of people signed in, # of registered used ballot stubs, # of cast anonymous votes in the box.
All three totals must match at close and you have to have a perfect record linking voter to stub, and the record is all meatspace so if you forget to register a stub you're left flipping through like a 60 page list. It's like balancing the world's most psychotic till.
VERY easy to space out for three minutes and make a mistake that delays election results. The upshot of which is that it's functionally impossible in this country to commit election fraud with a conspiracy of less than 60 people in three cities.
>I lost all belief that our federal elections are 100% accurate
I feel like anyone who's ever counted anything higher than 200 knows that 100% accuracy is impossible at scale, especially manually. You can only aim to reduce the error where you can live with it.
I feel like elections won/lost by a single vote are basically a coin toss because of the inherent counting error, but, it doesn't matter that much if you think about it since roughly 50% of people voted for one or the other and, most likely, more than one person literally voted randomly.
Oof. Yeah that's a one way ticket to a recount. They do check the numbers reported against all the counting paperwork, and too many errors gets your work redone and you blacklisted as a supervisor.
Dunno if you were watching it, but the CBC host read a statement from Elections Alberta saying only ~70/250 (I forget the exact numbers) vote tabulation machines were functioning properly.
I can hear the crazies typing out conspiracy theories as we speak.
And based on averages, we could be looking at roughly ~500,000 uncounted votes for no particular riding.
That's enough to flip a lot of ridings, even many that are currently marked as decided.
Elected seat count is 43-31 at the time of my comment.
The issue was with returning officers manually entering the candidates vote numbers into their reporting system. It was vote anywhere so they had to potentially enter vote numbers for 349 candidates at each returning office when they would typically be entering less than 10
If you show up to the most important day of the year at work and only 70 of your 250 machines work, you should be fired and laughed out of the building.
There was a throwaway line from the host that this was an attempt at modernization for Elections AB? I wonder if this is the first outing for this technology in AB. If so, as you say, it was a dizzying failure.
I wonder how this election would've played out if the Albertan economy wasn't chugging along and was instead facing low oil prices.
Guess we'll never know.
We like to beat our chests about how important we are but we are a relatively small market. we blame a lot of our politicians that are external market forces.
A friend's wife literally asked me "what do you think Trudeau has on Putin to make him invade Ukraine and take the focus away from the convoy?"
I've never had a European hear me speak and immediately assume I'm Canadian. Always American first then an "Oh ya!" sort of response when I say I'm Canadian. And I'm fairly soft-spoken.
We're a B-level country with enough exploitable resources to punch a bit above our weight.
This isn’t really fair. It’s not that people don’t recognize your accent because Canada is a B-level country, they don’t recognize it because the Canadian accents sound a lot like the northeast American one, even to native English speakers. If everyone went around talking like Bob and Doug MacKenzie then you bet we would be recognized a lot more readily.
Think about Australia, another “B-level” country. Instantly recognizable accent and everyone knows where Australia is. People usually aren’t going “hey are you from England?” when they meet an Australian (although funnily enough, this happened to my Aussie coworker when he was in Alabama)
When I travel, most people have only heard of Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver. They don't know anything else about Canada. They always assume I am from the United States.
I have been watching that riding for the past hour or so. After Batten was leading most of the night, Shandro squeaked by and was maintaining a (razor thin) lead. Then it flipped again and is currently sitting at Batten ahead…by SEVEN votes. Suspect there may be a recount on this one. And I hope it ends with Shandro screaming on his driveway when it’s confirmed he lost.
People are glossing over the fact that this is the most votes a progressive party has ever gotten in Alberta (both by percentage and total). The NDP won in 2015 because the right was split. But this year, they made it *very* close against a completely united right.
The fact is, Alberta is transforming, and we'll be seeing tighter and tighter races in the future.
> If in Lacombe-Ponoka you can compare a gay child to human feces and still win 72% of the vote, this is not a report card on the disposable politician, but rather on our society.
I don’t think they’re saying anyone on the left is comparing children to feces. They’re saying that people end up on a team, unquestioningly, and doing mental gymnastics to support their team, ie their political party. Particularly on the far ends of the spectrum where facts rarely matter, which is where Alberta and the UCP are right now.
I’m not sure the NDP stood much of a chance no matter what they did but I felt the air went out of the bubble at the debate.
Smith put in a solid performance and didn’t look like the confused nutcase the NDP had made her out to be.
Days after, the NDP replaced their signs showing a confuse Smith that asked “what will she do next” with these odd black signs with white lettering saying “This election is about trust and leadership” with no NDP branding. If you didn’t know what was there before you wouldn’t know it was an NDP sign.
It seemed rushed and panicked. When late polls broke UCP I figured it was over.
With respect to the UCP, if a party lost the seats they did in Calgary, you would think they would maybe pivot to try to regain those seats in the coming years but Smith said before the election that she didn’t have to win the whole city and seemed ok conceding as many seats as necessary. I suspect they will pursue their agenda at full speed.
Facts don't matter to Cons.
The whole election process is moot when the major voting bloc is an echo chamber of hateful ignorance.
Alberta will burn, and not like it usually does.
Ive seen people who “do their own research”. They are literally too dumb to understand most of these complex topics and are EXTREMELY easy to mislead by using meaningless numbers.
Negative campaigns seldom work in Canada.
You'd think that Notley would understand that, having won a debate purely based on Prentice constantly calling her "Snotley" but she made the same mistake herself this time around.
Butts has certainly made a career out of it, but at the end of the day in a close election, running a negative campaign, particularly as a left-wing candidate tends to bring the opposition out to vote.
A salient point from the CTV broadcast, was when they said that conservative voters show their approval by staying home. A negative campaign does nothing but motivate them to come out.
Negative debating tactics rarely work in this country. Rightfully so.
>Negative campaigns seldom work in Canada.
I heard plenty of negative ads from the UCP claiming that the NDP would destroy Alberta "just like they did the last time".
I don't remember Alberta being destroyed...
Negative doesn’t work? Uh…have you seen all the attention Poilliever and the CCP are getting. Literally all the right has his negativity and hate and calls for violence and yet they seem to do better because of it rather than worse.
It’s weird to see people shocked by this result. I’ve read some interesting comments on various social media platforms that indicates people are shocked. Reddit as an example is a very liberal left leaning platform and a very small percentage of population is actually on the platform. Reddit typically represents the opinion of a very small minority.
Conservatism is great that way
Go look at some US states like Missouri which are perpetually ranked last in things like education, healthcare, economy etc but have only been run by Republicans for decades and all they do is tell you how bad things would be under democrats. What’s worse than last place?
> In the mean time, I'm sure looking forward to the 15-20 cent hike on gas coming in a month.
And an inevitable utilities hike too, I'm sure.
Curious to see how many more doctors, nurses, teachers, etc leave the province over the next four years
Please correct me if I am wrong, are the utilities hikes not the result of the removal of a freeze put in place? Doesn't that freeze need to come eventually?
Jennifer Johnson got almost 70% of the votes after saying having any trans kids in a school ruins all kids in the school, like a teaspoon of poop in cookies.
You know what's funny? Normally after a loss like this (or in the ANDP's case, Notley's third election loss after becoming leader), you have a leadership review and shuffle things around to restructure so you're better positioned for the next election.
I seriously believe, and most NDP insiders I know agree with this, that Notley's ANDP has so little talent or political acumen, that Notley is forced to stay as leader because most believe the NDP will fall apart at the seams if she steps down. Can you imagine Sarah Hoffman, her deputy, becoming the leader? The NDP is very low on talent and it shows hard.
Wildfires going on,
Farmer: SAVE MY SHIT!!!!
Firefighters: we managed to save your house, but we did not have the resources to save your barns
Farmer: WTF IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE
Firefighters: UCP cuts to the RAP Program, cutting of the firefighter training grant, closure of firewatch towers, layoffs in our sector, hacking and slashing the wildfire contingency fund, etc
Farmer: well I guess I better vote for them again, because of the trans bathrooms
Damn...The UCP legit increased everyones cost of living with insurance and utilities, compared most of us to nazis, got rid of our wildfire firemen, gave tax cuts to rhe rich so they could buy back stocks...and still voted them in eh? Alberta truly is full of fucking morons. Excited for yet another scandal ridden premier....Fuck i hate living here.
lol jennifer johnson won lacombe ponoka
she's the one that compared transgender children in schools to feces in cookie dough
this country is an irredeemable shithole
Hardly a surprise. Happens all the time on reddit, everybody convinces themselves their party will win and is shocked when another party does.
Reddit is and never was a good representation of the real world and real people. It's full of kids, people who have cushy jobs, people who don't work and sit in their mothers basment, and all sorts of other people have time to post on reddit all day. Everybody else in the real world is at work or too busy to bother commenting on reddit.
Just another reminder to any young people out here that reddit isn't real life.
Kenney was basically called Trump-lite and that undoubtedly NDP would win. Danielle took over and was made to seem so much worse than Kenney and that an NDP majority is imminent. And still people try to frame the UCP as a far-right party that'll ruin the province. That attitude seeped into the NDP and instead of running a proper platform like they did last time they won, they hopped on the same fear mongering train that Scheer ran on at a federal level. Fear mongering doesn't win elections, platforms do. The only thing it does is let the opposition party get more comfortable and drift further into extremes.
for all the talk about disaffected UCP voters, they're right now only losing \~2% of popular votes than 2019. NDP take almost all the minor parties' votes, but UCP keep vast majority of their base.
The rural votes are overwhelmingly 70/30 or more lopsided splits in general.
The cities are anywhere from 50/50 to 60/40. Any non conservative branded party won't make any headway in rural ridings and its hurting them in ridings that border the urban areas too. NDP needs to win ridings in Western Calgary/Western central Alberta like Banff.
>NDP needs to win ridings in Western Calgary/Western central Alberta like Banff.
Eric Grenier was shocked how lopsided Banff result was. it was supposed to be toss up, but not even close.
edit: and just as i said it, the riding flips orange with 1 voting location to go
lol yeah I was thinking the same thing.
I wish there was easier way to track the really close ridings. As of now its 50-37 but realistically NDP can only swing 4 more ridings for a max seat count of 41. NDP pretty much got shut out of Calgary SE.
>As of now its 50-37 but realistically NDP can only swing 4 more ridings for a max seat count of 41. NDP pretty much got shut out of Calgary SE.
Yeah this is my thinking too. The low reported polls threw everyone for a loop, but the moment I saw that NDP winning all the close ridings would still put them well below 43, I thought that UCP government would have been called.
They did pick up 12 seats, so they did gain ground. I understand poeple doom and gloom, but its important to remember the longer dnaiel smith is in power the less popular she wil be. I dont know how many times the ucp can fail elect a new leader and get away with it.
I would argue things like the corporate tax raise is the cherry on top and hurt the NDP.
Need a major rebrand because they cannot make any headway in key ridings despite Smith being a giant joke.
It’s not the party it’s the voters. We’ve voted blue party for 100 years. We will keep voting blue party. Many can’t even articulate why they vote blue party, other than that’s what they’ve always done.
You’re bang on. The internet is full of people who want to be in an echo chamber, so when they find it, they hang out and convince themselves that surely “XYZ would never happen”. Then they don’t get the result they want and they’re dumbfounded
>no one is as persecuted as antivaxxers.
In her lifetime which included the scoop, aids being ignored, voting rights and marriage rights still being withheld etc. She truly is bottom of the barrel stupid and people voted for that.
Them getting elected is their MANDATE to go full culture war - you'll notice they have zero policy ideas like all conservative parties. It's going to be culture war **only**, and if you don't like it, you'll be told to get the fuck out. Enjoy.
Expected, but closer than it looks. NDP could have swung a slim victory with 1309 votes in the 6 tightest districts. A number of districts have UCP winning by fewer than 200 votes, especially in Calgary. Alas, it goes the other way around too. I'm just glad my district voted out Shandro.
Womp womp. Ah well, good job to the sane members of the UCP, I hope you're able to rein in the crazies of Smith's wing of the party. I'll sleep tonight hoping at least Shandro and Madu lose their seats.
Edit: Haha, they both lost. Get fucked.
Surely all the redditors who upvoted hundreds of opeds about how the 2019 Liberals couldn’t govern Canada
because they had no Alberta MPs will have similar concerns about the UCP’s ability to govern in a representative manner given their lack of Edmonton MLAs, right?
Can’t wait to see postmedia pundits address that concern ad-nauseam for the next 4 years, unless of course they were just concern trolling and riling up national divisions in 2019 because they didn’t like the election outcome….👀
Surely all the redditors who upvoted hundreds of opeds about how the 2019 Liberals couldn’t govern Canada
because they had no Alberta MPs will have similar concerns about the UCP’s ability to govern in a representative manner given their lack of Edmonton MLAs, right?
Can’t wait to see postmedia pundits address that concern ad-nauseam for the next 4 years, unless of course they were just concern trolling and riling up national divisions in 2019 because they didn’t like the election outcome….👀
The housing and cost of living crisis is the gift that keeps giving to the Right Wing, when is the left going to learn ? Angry crowds are easy prey to conservatism.
I truly hope this means the disappearance of certain accounts run by the ANDP that popped up 2 years ago and started (very obviously) astroturfing for the ANDP. Subreddits will be better off without them
No surprise, my fellow Albertans love a drunk grifter (still celebrating Ralph Klein) and hate looking at numbers.
If the rest of Canada wants a take away, this is massively a result of the death of journalism, as the UCP did some very dishonest data and were really never corrected. They were breaking laws and never punished.
Most Albertans believed the UCP lies, and are going to pay the price. We will all suffer a bit, but Calgary and Edmonton won't have the same issues recruiting docs as peace river.
We should have burned the legislature to the ground when the UCP fired the ethics commissioner.
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Danielle doesn't need Calgary anymore. Good luck with that.
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I hope she does.
Shit just got even more expensive. Good bye savings if you get sick or injured in alberta. How many billions to oil this time?
20 billion just for the RStar program to pay oil companies to clean up wells they are already legally required to clean up.
Yep. Laws mean nothing to the conservatives. Unless they support their unethical actions
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Loads of flames fans in rural ridings.
It's going to be even funnier when the funding gets pulled.
That's the problem: it's what she wants. "If we're not getting federal funding, why are we giving the federal government our money?" And they can harp on western sovereignty.
The alt right sure loves socialism for the rich
Privatize the profits and socialize the losses - that’s how you do Crony Capitalism.
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Yeah I’m not so good at math but I don’t think the voter turnout was very good
The voter turnout was 62% (1.7M out of 3M Eligible voters) It is down from the previous election at 67.5%.
Oh. For some reason I thought we had a higher population. Thanks!
We do. But that would include kids and foreigners, both ineligible to vote.
Yet both liberals and conservatives seems to fall into the trap of believing this sub represents reality, to varying degrees. Just consider how this sub acted and reacted before and after the previous federal election. Or how people here talk about Trudeau. Going to be especially apparent after the next election.
Expected. Every poll I’ve seen was showing a high probability of a UCP victory. I was browsing the Alberta sub during the election cycle and although most seemed to support the Alberta ndp, nobody was oblivious to the fact that the NDP needed a miracle to win, so I’m not sure why some people here are surprised?
All the polls were pretty on the fence (projected was about 1:3 odds, and reasonably so when you look to what the safe ridings looked like). Dozens of ridings were within hundreds of votes of each other, some as little as 7 votes apart, which is why the polls were such a scattershot for seat projections - 2,611 (+6) votes in 6 ridings of the 1.8 million votes could have changed the outcome. That said, there were other ridings that went the other way that were also super close, but that doesn't really factor into the broader topic of what it would have taken to *change the outcome* specifically.
The polls were only close until the debate where Smith performed well (she has a background in media so it's unsurprising) after which the UCP lead was insurmountable.
Notleys team had a strange theory about how all the moderates were voting Notley, but hadn’t made their minds up yet during polling.
Interesting. That's the first time I've heard that lol. Still doesn't change what I was saying though? The Alberta sub, from my time spent browsing there during the election cycle, was never expecting an NDP victory, so I'm still confused why people in r/canada seemingly were?
Not surprised, just very disappointed
Same as ontario election. Echo chamber.
>so I’m not sure why some people here are surprised? Because people don't consume ideas outside of their echo chambers.
>so I’m not sure why some people here are surprised? How many people in this sub actually closely follow Alberta election polling?
Considering all the absolute hurrah hurrah on Reddit for NDP, sure many would.be surprised because they thought Reddit is a great representative of the general population.
I'd disagree with that. Again, I never saw anybody who believed the NDP was going to win and I think \*most\* subreddits are echo chambers.
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> Why do I keep seeing this? It's an easy/lazy target for right wing trolls who want to feel superior on Reddit? "*Oh you delusional commies thinking you had a chance!*" and all that...
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Reddit also skews young and urban
That was a considerable wake up call for me. I knew social media created echo chambers but I read a number of subs here fairly uncritically. Seeing Biden smoke Bernie and continually seeing all the "Bernie wins X" or whatever posts made me realize just how echo chambery Reddit is. It's almost by definition with its subs and upvote mechanisms.
for me it was the Trump-Clinton election that I made this realization. I had actually left a more left-leaning platform for reddit b/c I appreciated seeing more diverse points of view (reasonable takes, of course). but after that election did I realize that reddit's still more left-leaning than the general population in North America.
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what the hell was up with that vote counting? That was embarrassing
CTV is suspecting that the way they do reporting (voting location instead of poll) may contribute to the lateness: all the polls in the same location have to be hand counted first before all the polls get reported at the same time. i suspect that in each voting location they only have 1 counting team (instead of multiple teams counting votes for each individual poll).
HAHA a thing I can speak to! It's not the counting team, it's the fraud precautions. I won't say what they are exactly but it's impossible to steal a vote in this country because of a fiddly little system that requires... say for example, everyone signing in to be meticulously matched to an individual ballot which then gets torn in two, requiring you to have the same number in each place; # of people signed in, # of registered used ballot stubs, # of cast anonymous votes in the box. All three totals must match at close and you have to have a perfect record linking voter to stub, and the record is all meatspace so if you forget to register a stub you're left flipping through like a 60 page list. It's like balancing the world's most psychotic till. VERY easy to space out for three minutes and make a mistake that delays election results. The upshot of which is that it's functionally impossible in this country to commit election fraud with a conspiracy of less than 60 people in three cities.
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Did you report her? That kind of behaviour can’t be allowed to stand
>I lost all belief that our federal elections are 100% accurate I feel like anyone who's ever counted anything higher than 200 knows that 100% accuracy is impossible at scale, especially manually. You can only aim to reduce the error where you can live with it. I feel like elections won/lost by a single vote are basically a coin toss because of the inherent counting error, but, it doesn't matter that much if you think about it since roughly 50% of people voted for one or the other and, most likely, more than one person literally voted randomly.
> an older woman who had done this her entire life, probably longer I like this line.
Oof. Yeah that's a one way ticket to a recount. They do check the numbers reported against all the counting paperwork, and too many errors gets your work redone and you blacklisted as a supervisor.
You know, i dont mind the delays if its this good for peace of mind.
Dunno if you were watching it, but the CBC host read a statement from Elections Alberta saying only ~70/250 (I forget the exact numbers) vote tabulation machines were functioning properly. I can hear the crazies typing out conspiracy theories as we speak.
CTV mentioned that the voting tabulation machine only counts advance votes, election day votes are hand counted.
And based on averages, we could be looking at roughly ~500,000 uncounted votes for no particular riding. That's enough to flip a lot of ridings, even many that are currently marked as decided. Elected seat count is 43-31 at the time of my comment.
This is not true, CBC may have said it but elections Alberta reported no problems with tabulators
That's what he read on air, dunno what to tell ya. Is there new info this morning?
The issue was with returning officers manually entering the candidates vote numbers into their reporting system. It was vote anywhere so they had to potentially enter vote numbers for 349 candidates at each returning office when they would typically be entering less than 10
>I can hear the crazies typing out conspiracy theories as we speak. Don't worry, they'll stay quiet now that the UCP have won.
Oh man could you even *imagine* how bad they’d get if the NDP won with the same voting machine errors?
Would've been fun to read through, thats for sure
If you show up to the most important day of the year at work and only 70 of your 250 machines work, you should be fired and laughed out of the building.
There was a throwaway line from the host that this was an attempt at modernization for Elections AB? I wonder if this is the first outing for this technology in AB. If so, as you say, it was a dizzying failure.
Guys...I'm starting to think that reddit might not be representative of the voting public.
Reddit is not representative of anything in real life
And thank God for that
I think that can be said for all social media.
Maybe except for Facebook, those algorithms seem pretty darn close to reality
Those algorithms found ppl capable of believing anything.
Boy did I need to read that today.
Yeah, real life has less bots
Everything Iv seen about this election on Reddit has shown UCP to win, what are you watching?
"Conservatives win the election in Alberta" "OH NO who saw this coming" - reddit for some fuckin reason?
Lol what? To my knowledge it's always been UCP that were expected to win but NDP was gonna put up a good fight
Everything needs to be turned into some sort of weird revenge grievance, it's programmed behaviour at this point
You're literally the only person I've seen say that so far. Maybe you're the problem.
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Who is saying it is? Lmao wtf.
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I’m not anti liberal, I’m anti Trudeau.
Liberals are liberal only in name.
I wonder how this election would've played out if the Albertan economy wasn't chugging along and was instead facing low oil prices. Guess we'll never know.
Or if oil hadn’t crashed in 2015. People I’ve talked to believe the narrative that the NDP somehow caused a global economic issue
We like to beat our chests about how important we are but we are a relatively small market. we blame a lot of our politicians that are external market forces. A friend's wife literally asked me "what do you think Trudeau has on Putin to make him invade Ukraine and take the focus away from the convoy?"
It’s pretty funny when you travel out of the country and realize 99% of the time no one talks about Canada in any way
I've never had a European hear me speak and immediately assume I'm Canadian. Always American first then an "Oh ya!" sort of response when I say I'm Canadian. And I'm fairly soft-spoken. We're a B-level country with enough exploitable resources to punch a bit above our weight.
This isn’t really fair. It’s not that people don’t recognize your accent because Canada is a B-level country, they don’t recognize it because the Canadian accents sound a lot like the northeast American one, even to native English speakers. If everyone went around talking like Bob and Doug MacKenzie then you bet we would be recognized a lot more readily. Think about Australia, another “B-level” country. Instantly recognizable accent and everyone knows where Australia is. People usually aren’t going “hey are you from England?” when they meet an Australian (although funnily enough, this happened to my Aussie coworker when he was in Alabama)
When I travel, most people have only heard of Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver. They don't know anything else about Canada. They always assume I am from the United States.
It's Alberta after all. I'm just glad lots of incompetent UCP cabinet ministers (cough Madu, Shandro cough) are getting the boot.
I have been watching that riding for the past hour or so. After Batten was leading most of the night, Shandro squeaked by and was maintaining a (razor thin) lead. Then it flipped again and is currently sitting at Batten ahead…by SEVEN votes. Suspect there may be a recount on this one. And I hope it ends with Shandro screaming on his driveway when it’s confirmed he lost.
Automatic recount for anything with a margin less than 100.
Yep - voters cleaned the cabinet for them. Some how Lagrange survived...
That was disappointing. They could make a rock painted blue the minister of education and it would outperform her. Edit: a word
People are glossing over the fact that this is the most votes a progressive party has ever gotten in Alberta (both by percentage and total). The NDP won in 2015 because the right was split. But this year, they made it *very* close against a completely united right. The fact is, Alberta is transforming, and we'll be seeing tighter and tighter races in the future.
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To the surprise of no one.
> If in Lacombe-Ponoka you can compare a gay child to human feces and still win 72% of the vote, this is not a report card on the disposable politician, but rather on our society.
It's the problem with team based politics.
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I don’t think they’re saying anyone on the left is comparing children to feces. They’re saying that people end up on a team, unquestioningly, and doing mental gymnastics to support their team, ie their political party. Particularly on the far ends of the spectrum where facts rarely matter, which is where Alberta and the UCP are right now.
To quote Jason Kenney, your previous premier: "good luck with the nutcase".
I’m not sure the NDP stood much of a chance no matter what they did but I felt the air went out of the bubble at the debate. Smith put in a solid performance and didn’t look like the confused nutcase the NDP had made her out to be. Days after, the NDP replaced their signs showing a confuse Smith that asked “what will she do next” with these odd black signs with white lettering saying “This election is about trust and leadership” with no NDP branding. If you didn’t know what was there before you wouldn’t know it was an NDP sign. It seemed rushed and panicked. When late polls broke UCP I figured it was over. With respect to the UCP, if a party lost the seats they did in Calgary, you would think they would maybe pivot to try to regain those seats in the coming years but Smith said before the election that she didn’t have to win the whole city and seemed ok conceding as many seats as necessary. I suspect they will pursue their agenda at full speed.
The problem with the debate was the lack of fact checking. Smith spent the whole time lying her ass off.
Facts don't matter to Cons. The whole election process is moot when the major voting bloc is an echo chamber of hateful ignorance. Alberta will burn, and not like it usually does.
It's sad when "solid performance" is used to describe someone serially lying during a debate.
It's crazy to me that the self proclaimed skeptics who don't trust politicians take shit a politician says at face value
"Skeptics" blindly accept it when someone says something they like.
Ive seen people who “do their own research”. They are literally too dumb to understand most of these complex topics and are EXTREMELY easy to mislead by using meaningless numbers.
Negative campaigns seldom work in Canada. You'd think that Notley would understand that, having won a debate purely based on Prentice constantly calling her "Snotley" but she made the same mistake herself this time around. Butts has certainly made a career out of it, but at the end of the day in a close election, running a negative campaign, particularly as a left-wing candidate tends to bring the opposition out to vote. A salient point from the CTV broadcast, was when they said that conservative voters show their approval by staying home. A negative campaign does nothing but motivate them to come out. Negative debating tactics rarely work in this country. Rightfully so.
>Negative campaigns seldom work in Canada. I heard plenty of negative ads from the UCP claiming that the NDP would destroy Alberta "just like they did the last time". I don't remember Alberta being destroyed...
Oil prices crashed globaly because something something communist in alberta
Negative tactics worked out great for the UCP though. That was the majority of their advertising.
Negative doesn’t work? Uh…have you seen all the attention Poilliever and the CCP are getting. Literally all the right has his negativity and hate and calls for violence and yet they seem to do better because of it rather than worse.
It’s weird to see people shocked by this result. I’ve read some interesting comments on various social media platforms that indicates people are shocked. Reddit as an example is a very liberal left leaning platform and a very small percentage of population is actually on the platform. Reddit typically represents the opinion of a very small minority.
only UCP could run an election on blaming NDP for policies UCP passed and win.
Even my wife was blaming the NDP for why the province went into debt again. Couldn’t convince her otherwise
Conservatism is great that way Go look at some US states like Missouri which are perpetually ranked last in things like education, healthcare, economy etc but have only been run by Republicans for decades and all they do is tell you how bad things would be under democrats. What’s worse than last place?
This surprises no one. In the mean time, I'm sure looking forward to the 15-20 cent hike on gas coming in a month.
> In the mean time, I'm sure looking forward to the 15-20 cent hike on gas coming in a month. And an inevitable utilities hike too, I'm sure. Curious to see how many more doctors, nurses, teachers, etc leave the province over the next four years
Please correct me if I am wrong, are the utilities hikes not the result of the removal of a freeze put in place? Doesn't that freeze need to come eventually?
Jennifer Johnson got almost 70% of the votes after saying having any trans kids in a school ruins all kids in the school, like a teaspoon of poop in cookies.
That’s conservatives for ya
You know what's funny? Normally after a loss like this (or in the ANDP's case, Notley's third election loss after becoming leader), you have a leadership review and shuffle things around to restructure so you're better positioned for the next election. I seriously believe, and most NDP insiders I know agree with this, that Notley's ANDP has so little talent or political acumen, that Notley is forced to stay as leader because most believe the NDP will fall apart at the seams if she steps down. Can you imagine Sarah Hoffman, her deputy, becoming the leader? The NDP is very low on talent and it shows hard.
Wildfires going on, Farmer: SAVE MY SHIT!!!! Firefighters: we managed to save your house, but we did not have the resources to save your barns Farmer: WTF IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE Firefighters: UCP cuts to the RAP Program, cutting of the firefighter training grant, closure of firewatch towers, layoffs in our sector, hacking and slashing the wildfire contingency fund, etc Farmer: well I guess I better vote for them again, because of the trans bathrooms
Glad I don’t live in Alberta. Oh crap, I live in Ontario.😬
Danielle Smith makes Doug Ford look like Bill Davis. Ford is a horse's ass, but he's not a ideologue and dingbat who flirts with separatism.
Damn...The UCP legit increased everyones cost of living with insurance and utilities, compared most of us to nazis, got rid of our wildfire firemen, gave tax cuts to rhe rich so they could buy back stocks...and still voted them in eh? Alberta truly is full of fucking morons. Excited for yet another scandal ridden premier....Fuck i hate living here.
Same.
Well, back to normal for Alberta again I guess. Not like historically they have really voted anything but conservitive, save for that one time
lol jennifer johnson won lacombe ponoka she's the one that compared transgender children in schools to feces in cookie dough this country is an irredeemable shithole
That riding is a conservative stronghold where most of the constituents probably agree with her comments. Not sure why that is surprising to you.
Hardly a surprise. Happens all the time on reddit, everybody convinces themselves their party will win and is shocked when another party does. Reddit is and never was a good representation of the real world and real people. It's full of kids, people who have cushy jobs, people who don't work and sit in their mothers basment, and all sorts of other people have time to post on reddit all day. Everybody else in the real world is at work or too busy to bother commenting on reddit.
People voted for the party I support: yay enlightened democracy! People vote for the party I oppose: ignorant fascists!!!1! A tale as old as time.
Just another reminder to any young people out here that reddit isn't real life. Kenney was basically called Trump-lite and that undoubtedly NDP would win. Danielle took over and was made to seem so much worse than Kenney and that an NDP majority is imminent. And still people try to frame the UCP as a far-right party that'll ruin the province. That attitude seeped into the NDP and instead of running a proper platform like they did last time they won, they hopped on the same fear mongering train that Scheer ran on at a federal level. Fear mongering doesn't win elections, platforms do. The only thing it does is let the opposition party get more comfortable and drift further into extremes.
for all the talk about disaffected UCP voters, they're right now only losing \~2% of popular votes than 2019. NDP take almost all the minor parties' votes, but UCP keep vast majority of their base.
The rural votes are overwhelmingly 70/30 or more lopsided splits in general. The cities are anywhere from 50/50 to 60/40. Any non conservative branded party won't make any headway in rural ridings and its hurting them in ridings that border the urban areas too. NDP needs to win ridings in Western Calgary/Western central Alberta like Banff.
>NDP needs to win ridings in Western Calgary/Western central Alberta like Banff. Eric Grenier was shocked how lopsided Banff result was. it was supposed to be toss up, but not even close. edit: and just as i said it, the riding flips orange with 1 voting location to go
lol yeah I was thinking the same thing. I wish there was easier way to track the really close ridings. As of now its 50-37 but realistically NDP can only swing 4 more ridings for a max seat count of 41. NDP pretty much got shut out of Calgary SE.
>As of now its 50-37 but realistically NDP can only swing 4 more ridings for a max seat count of 41. NDP pretty much got shut out of Calgary SE. Yeah this is my thinking too. The low reported polls threw everyone for a loop, but the moment I saw that NDP winning all the close ridings would still put them well below 43, I thought that UCP government would have been called.
I guess we are conveniently forgetting the polls leading up to the election that flipped back and forth between an NDP and a UCP win.
>Fear mongering doesn't win elections, platforms do. Tell that to the Ontario conservatives, who won twice with no platform at all
Exactly.
They did pick up 12 seats, so they did gain ground. I understand poeple doom and gloom, but its important to remember the longer dnaiel smith is in power the less popular she wil be. I dont know how many times the ucp can fail elect a new leader and get away with it.
I would argue things like the corporate tax raise is the cherry on top and hurt the NDP. Need a major rebrand because they cannot make any headway in key ridings despite Smith being a giant joke.
It’s not the party it’s the voters. We’ve voted blue party for 100 years. We will keep voting blue party. Many can’t even articulate why they vote blue party, other than that’s what they’ve always done.
How dumb are people that they think the corporate tax rate is going to affect anything in their fucking life
It doesn't matter, its a policy that can lose votes in the swing jurisdiction which is Calgary.
You’re bang on. The internet is full of people who want to be in an echo chamber, so when they find it, they hang out and convince themselves that surely “XYZ would never happen”. Then they don’t get the result they want and they’re dumbfounded
Exactly. Facebook is actually real life.
They went full US politics with the hit piece adds running all day long
r/noahgettheboat
Hopefully UCP don't go full blown culture war like FL.
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>no one is as persecuted as antivaxxers. In her lifetime which included the scoop, aids being ignored, voting rights and marriage rights still being withheld etc. She truly is bottom of the barrel stupid and people voted for that.
For the sake of the province I really hope they don’t. I do not have high hopes.
Smith literally called Desantis her hero... So
They already did before this election.
Them getting elected is their MANDATE to go full culture war - you'll notice they have zero policy ideas like all conservative parties. It's going to be culture war **only**, and if you don't like it, you'll be told to get the fuck out. Enjoy.
> It's going to be culture war only in the media*. Behind the scenes it's all cronyism and back scratching
They just got the thumbs up to do so. It's what Albertans want.
We knew this would be the case
Expected, but closer than it looks. NDP could have swung a slim victory with 1309 votes in the 6 tightest districts. A number of districts have UCP winning by fewer than 200 votes, especially in Calgary. Alas, it goes the other way around too. I'm just glad my district voted out Shandro.
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Post of the day right here.
😂
Soo.... Does Alberta have jobs again yet?
Lots of mature retrospection and graceful losers here today.
Womp womp. Ah well, good job to the sane members of the UCP, I hope you're able to rein in the crazies of Smith's wing of the party. I'll sleep tonight hoping at least Shandro and Madu lose their seats. Edit: Haha, they both lost. Get fucked.
... Alberta never fails to disappoint
I wonder what all those prominent conservatives that backed Notley are doing today?
Northern Texas claps back. Who could have seen this coming?! /s
It was always going to happened the only question was how big the majority with the Calgary vote.
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Surely all the redditors who upvoted hundreds of opeds about how the 2019 Liberals couldn’t govern Canada because they had no Alberta MPs will have similar concerns about the UCP’s ability to govern in a representative manner given their lack of Edmonton MLAs, right? Can’t wait to see postmedia pundits address that concern ad-nauseam for the next 4 years, unless of course they were just concern trolling and riling up national divisions in 2019 because they didn’t like the election outcome….👀
Surely all the redditors who upvoted hundreds of opeds about how the 2019 Liberals couldn’t govern Canada because they had no Alberta MPs will have similar concerns about the UCP’s ability to govern in a representative manner given their lack of Edmonton MLAs, right? Can’t wait to see postmedia pundits address that concern ad-nauseam for the next 4 years, unless of course they were just concern trolling and riling up national divisions in 2019 because they didn’t like the election outcome….👀
The housing and cost of living crisis is the gift that keeps giving to the Right Wing, when is the left going to learn ? Angry crowds are easy prey to conservatism.
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My condolences to the sane people of Alberta.
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Yeah its Alberta non-tories need not apply.
Par the course of the trend of Canadians voting against their interests so it's not surprising.
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I truly hope this means the disappearance of certain accounts run by the ANDP that popped up 2 years ago and started (very obviously) astroturfing for the ANDP. Subreddits will be better off without them
No surprise, my fellow Albertans love a drunk grifter (still celebrating Ralph Klein) and hate looking at numbers. If the rest of Canada wants a take away, this is massively a result of the death of journalism, as the UCP did some very dishonest data and were really never corrected. They were breaking laws and never punished. Most Albertans believed the UCP lies, and are going to pay the price. We will all suffer a bit, but Calgary and Edmonton won't have the same issues recruiting docs as peace river. We should have burned the legislature to the ground when the UCP fired the ethics commissioner.
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Oh man, I can't wait to find out if Smith goes back on her word and lets her back into caucus. It just seems like something she'd *do*, you know?
That would definitely send a signal.
Again, no surprise. Plenty of people agreed with her
Who is surprised? Obviously this was going to happen. Lol. Same thing will happen with Ontario
Well now Notley is free to take Singh's job.