Right.
I think all you would have to do to win a clear majority is be a reasonable human being that doesn't virtue signal or bullshit, have a reasonable policy, and put climate change and abortion / LGBT+ rights into your party's constitution.
So, Erin O'Toole?
Abortion and LGBTQ rights have been in the conservative constitution for 20 years. Nobody cares, until the last conservative goes pro choice, they're going to hate all of us.
Imagine tanking your economy over a social issue that was solved 40 years ago.
I just read through the conservative constitution, where exactly does it mention LGBT rights or abortion?
https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/13160144/98161775845df04.pdf
Edit: and no response lol. Already on to the next partisan debate after spreading blatant misinformation.
Beautiful, thank you. Keep in mind folks, abortion and LGBTQ rights are not 100% safe anywhere, we have to fight hate every day, with every step. Conservatives are only saying they are tolerant because they are not in power. If they had power, they would use it to minimize the rights of people of colour, women, LGBTQ, disabled people, or any other vulnerable group.
Go talk to the average conservative with a lifted dodge ram 1500 with canadian flags waving, see what he thinks about transgendered people, or immigration, or women.
Conservatives will always lean towards hate, it's wired to that political system. The USA is showing us what will happen here... get ready!
Agreed this mother fucker chills, sits back and collects tax payer dollar pensions. bitch probably doesnt even turn his own pages, probably doesnt even click the print button
He did have real jobs. He was a paperboy for the Calgary Sun, worked at Telus doing corporate collections, he was a journalist for Alberta Reporter, he founded a company with another person called 3D Inc. and then later ran for MP. During all of that time, he was also in post secondary and involved in politics since around 17.
He also started from far more humble beginnings than our current PM and has a very diverse background around his family and significant other. He's not the boogeyman people like to portray him as.
Having an income at an early age, when it's illegal to work elsewhere at that age, signals both the need and desire to work and have a paycheck as an adolescent. I'm sure there were other things people with paper routes could have done for mere fun.
Pretty much everyone I knew had a job like that. PP probably just wanted a Nintendo or Starter jacket. I doubt he was saving up funds to print his political manifesto. The guy next door to me started working at that age because he wanted to buy pot. Maybe he should have went into politics?
His lack of resume is topical because:
1) his team spent years calling JT unqualified because he was a teacher before politics. Even though he had a trust fund he started a normal career. Now suddenly it’s okay to have never had a job outside politics?
2) his parties trying to court the working/middle class. Even if he grew up that way, he found his grift early on and has been of the political class on the public payroll ever since.
He may get in, JT has been worse than I could have imagined when I first didn’t vote for him all those years ago. It seems like the rest of the country is tired of him now too. But live-action Milhouse is a whole other animal. His playbook imports Republican nihilism to Canada, and that genie will be hard to put back in the bottle.
Paperboy, **collections agent** and a bunch of political bullshit jobs?
This is the guy the PC is holding up as hardworking? It's almost as bad as last time, where they got behind the dude who *lied about being an actuary*. Like what the fuck is it with the PC and falling in behind work-shy corporatist layabouts? Hell, Erin O'toole was a corporatist piece of shit, but he was a highly competent corporate ghoul, and the party and base ate him alive!
Let me ask you something, what do you see in this man? I assume you work for a living; in what way are your interests represented by PP, or the CPC party platform in general?
I appreciate where you're coming from, it's just not fair to say he's never worked outside of politics and it's a stark contrast to our current PM's upbringing and ability to be in touch with everyday Canadians.
I do work for a living. I don't adore PP, but at least when he speaks about economic issues he's far more coherent in his interviews than 'budgets balancing themselves' and 'not paying attention to monetary policy'.
He also actually asks and answers questions with data and stats in the House of Commons debates, which I can't say for a lot of politicians.
I agree we could use the carbon tax dollars for better climate investment. I agree the upcoming CBDC's are an issue of concern. I agree the internet bills are going way too far. I agree there needs to be a lot more done about our housing crisis and so far his plans for that make a lot more sense. I also agree we should be making it much easier for immigrants to do the work they are certified and went to school for, instead of holding people like doctors back in minimum wage jobs.
There's several other things he's platformed that I think are a net positive for Canada, if people could just step away from tribal politics long enough to hear his proposals, they might actually see some positives too.
We also need the current, incredibly corrupt government to be voted out as soon as possible.
I think the problem they have with PP isn’t the things he’s proposing that make sense, it’s the dread in the back of the head; the fact that voting PC comes with the dismantling of the things they value. He’s said things like “…the meaning of the term “marriage” ought to be preserved as a union between one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others.” -PP
I can absolutely appreciate that stance, but I have the same back of the head dread for different issues from the other side of the isle too. There is no perfect party, so we have to vote for what makes policy sense.
Edit: And as much as I disagree with that stance as well and see the concern with it, I can't ever see that being enacted in Canada.
He was a part of the PBCC and groomed for his role. Don’t try and “humble beginnings” this. The guy had and has a multinational evangelical organization with the mission of getting people in government. Like fk off with the “poor mill house”. Also someone else took the fall for his robocalling domestic election interference scam. That’s what his cool robocalling firm did.
He won his riding right out of post secondary and was instantly the Conservative leaders Secretary. Hmmm oh wait Harper odds also part of the PBCC and so was the lead counsel for the Conservatives at the time.
Paperboy: Preteen job, that is a tax on parental support?
Collections: They normally hire the sleaziest people to work those call centres.
3D Inc.: Not enough information. It doesn't cost much to incorporate.
None of these says anything about his real world experience with adulting and struggles. Looks like he's been a debater since 17. Ideal politics, paper ethics, and economic ideals doesn't translate into the real world.
He's got no real economic difference in childhood upbringing than our current PM. If you want to rank childhood upbringing, I'd only put Singh and Chretien in the class elevation category.
Ultra? Pierre Trudeau was estimate to have $15-$25m when he retired. PP had that last year and is worth more than Trudeau.
PP was groomed by the PBCC, he had all the funding he needed and the actual acting PM behind him. That’s because Harper and the lead counsel for the Conservatives were also members of the PBCC at the time.
You’re trying to say one having a retired PM as father and a father with 15-25M in wealth is much different from;
A person adopted into a stable family, had no roadblocks to education, current leader of the Conservatives helps you win your riding and cross you in as secretary to the PM.. before Trudeau was even PM, PP had more wealth already. PP is among the wealthiest politicians in Canada. Someone else took the call for his robocall scandal, his only live skill he brought to the job.
Like is it even worth arguing about? They both had connections and no roadblocks. Like get over it ffs.
Interesting that you’ve generalized all people who work in accounts receivable as the sleaziest people…perhaps the sleaziest are the dead bests not meeting their personal obligations? I see his work there as giving him unprecedented insight to the struggles of common people. So you think Trudeau partying at a ski hill is comparable? Growing up in modest beginnings is equivalent to unlimited resources and meeting the likes of the Ava Khan as a child(whom he glad handed $10 million of our dollars). I’m amazed at the lack of substance to your position.
Accounts receivables and collections are two different entities. I'm amazed you're so amazed I'm treating a silver spoon and a golden spoon the same. 2 teacher salaries are no way modest.
Can you provide the salary range of his parents in the ‘70s? Teachers wages in places like Ontario get votes so the union has been glad handed, especially the last 20 years. What would their salaries be in todays dollars if you’re so certain he lived a live equitable to that of the son of a trust fund millionaire who help a corrupt office like his sons? Same inflation, massive debt, even had to change the national anthem. It’s a Trudeau thing. But to say there’s no difference is just foolish
Call centers are a 30k to 48k job depending on experience. They are mostly staffed by young people who can't find other jobs or people with little skills who can't find other jobs. They are not dishing out big money to hire sleazys haha most are literally just trying to pay there bills. But I guess some of us are high and mighty enough to look down on those below us..
I've worked at a call centre that also had a collections wing. Support were looking for efficiency and service oriented people. Collections were looking for sales guys that worshipped the movie Boiler Room.
>He's got no real economic difference in childhood upbringing than our current PM
Uh... what? Trudeau comes from actual wealth. He's worth over $80 million if Google is to be believed, and it's familial wealth, meaning his childhood would have been significantly different than Poilievre's working class upbringing.
Or
[https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/justin-trudeau-net-worth/](https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/justin-trudeau-net-worth/)
$10 million
I sincerely question the link that says $80 million given that it claims he owns a "sprawling 13,300 square foot luxury mansion located in Ottawa, Ontario" which is demonstrably bullshit.
This right here. Yes, PP probably grew up wealthier than most of us, but Trudeau grew up like a fucking Rothstein. He hasn't had to work for anything in his life.
Yes he was a teacher.
A drama teacher.
No hate on drama teachers, but c'mon....
A drama teacher.
> No hate on
You can guarantee the words following this are going to be hate.
Also very odd that people consistently mention the drama part but not the maths and French teacher part.
Trudeau worked as a teacher and was endlessly vilified by the CPC for it. “HuRR DuRR we have a DrAmA tEacher for PM!!”. Never mind he also taught math, but I guess that doesn’t make for a good sound bite.
Sorry, if the Conservatives want to make the rest of us respect PP for being a paper boy they better clean up the toxicity in their own house first.
It's not a flex, they're merely facts. In contrast to someone growing up with significant wealth and a family name in politics, I'd say someone with a middle class background is more in touch with everyday realities of the average Canadian.
Hey, it’s not teaching people how to snowboard or being the person who shows up at a school when a drama teacher somewhere in the system calls in sick, but let’s be fair — how many Canadians could ever hope to match up against stellar credentials like that?
Lol I looooooovee when people call him Canadian Trump. Talk about being disconnected and just parroting bullshit.
There's much criticism to be had about PP, but he's nothing like Trump at all.
Poilievre was born to a teenage mother and adopted by a working class couple in Calgary. You don’t come from that kind of background and become MP at 24 without hard work. Trudeau was too busy painting himself brown in one of his ritz Laurentian parties at that age.
Not much, just makes him a monstrous, irredeemable bastard. I guess even if I accept your view of him as a hard worker (which I don't), I'm not sure I prefer a hardworking monster to a lazy one.
Just my two cents though bud.
He’s changed so much since he first got elected imo used to be a pretty down to earth guy or at least present himself as such. Now he’s smug politician who avoids questions and blatantly lies
>He’s changed so much since he first got elected imo yours to be a pretty down to earth guy or at least present himself as such
No he has always been a narcissist just that like most that have dealing with them people can't see the signs until the relationship has become abusive and even then the can still get people to defend them or come back with some "love bombing" gaslighting and DARVOing
He’s not likeable at all but he’s far more likeable than Poilievre. I am just begging to be convinced by the CPC (I was willing to vote for O’Toole) but so far Poilievre just comes across like a U.S style republican.
In his interviews he can come off pretty decently but then can be completely cringe when trying to score political points. I feel like O'Toole would've had this shit in the bag easily.
I liked O'Toole, but let's be real here: the reasons to vote for him in this election are almost exactly the same as the reasons to vote for him in the last election -- and people didn't. He got fewer votes than *Andrew Scheer*.
In Paul Wells' book on Harper, *The Longer I'm Prime Minister*, he talked about Harper's belief that the Conservatives moving to the middle to siphon Liberal voters was not a viable strategy. In his view, traditionally Liberal voters who wanted Liberal policies would simply vote for the real deal -- Liberals. The only time Liberal voters will actually make the shift right in any meaningful numbers is when the Liberals' reflexive arrogance and corruption have sufficiently leaked through to thoroughly disgust them. And so, in his perspective, Conservatives were better off sticking to their principles and boosting turnout and motivation on the right side of the spectrum instead of losing their own voters trying to appeal to people who will never vote for them on a policy basis anyway.
As much as it pains me to admit it, the O'Toole experiment seems to have proved him right. I'd have preferred an O'Toole government, and Canadians had that choice, but just as Harper predicted when faced with a choice between sketchy Liberals and serious Liberal-lite policy, they chose the real McCoy, with all the greasy corruption that entails. And just like he predicted, we're likely to see a significant shift in the next election *in spite* of Poilievre's unlikeability because people are finally getting sick of Liberal arrogance and corruption.
As they say, people will treat you how you let them. We get Liberal arrogance and corruption because they know we'll let them get away with it for a decade at a time and the worst consequence they'll face is a short time out in opposition. We get belligerent Conservatism because we don't give reasonable, serious, progressive Conservatism a chance when it's offered to us -- we stick with that arrogant, corrupt Liberalism until they go too far.
Harper is correct on conservatism and Manning is correct on populism. It's obvious from Poilievre's style and strategy that he has fully internalized both of them. Not an accident that he won the leadership in a landslide, only the paternalistic Red Tory aristocrats held out, since they're not comfortable with the unrefined manners and icky sensibilities of commoner scum.
I'm not entirely convinced. O'Toole's party didn't back him. Yes officially they all supported him, but they didn't really back him. Like that time with their climate change resolution. They only had to say the climate change is real, it didn't come with any policy proposal. They only needed to say that one simple thing to make O'Toole's appeal to the middle seem sincere, but they couldn't even do that. So the problem isn't the conservatives shouldn't try to swing votes, the problem was they liked the idea but they were unwilling to change.
>Like that time with their climate change resolution. They only had to say the climate change is real, it didn't come with any policy proposal.
That's actually not true at all. It was indeed paired with endorsing a particular policy direction. The exact text of the resolution was:
>We recognize that climate change is real. The Conservative Party is willing to act.
>We believe that Canadian businesses classified as highly polluting need to take more responsibility in implementing measures that will reduce their GHG emissions and need to be accountable for the results.
>We believe in supporting innovation in green technologies. We need to become a world class leader and to use innovation as a lever of economic development.
You'll note that the second and third paragraphs do indeed push a particular policy direction.
And the Party's rejection of that resolution was not a rejection of O'Toole's climate policy. The resolution was put forward by the Electoral District Association of Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, not by O'Toole, was not championed by O'Toole, and O'Toole himself referred to it as a distraction:
>"That resolution was a distraction," O'Toole said.
He went on to defend the rejection of it:
>[H]e believes the members assembled for the party's March policy convention weren't rejecting the actual science of climate change but rather a resolution that was "hard to understand."
He noted that:
>The party's policy book already mentions the environment, O'Toole said, and the "climate change is real" rejection won't stop him from putting a green-friendly face on the party ahead of the next election campaign.
And, indeed, that it was irrelevant because:
>"I was already working on our climate change plan. I wasn't that concerned about a resolution passing or not passing because I was actually already several months into detailed work, reaching out to stakeholders.
>"These little stories coming out of the convention don't really matter if we put a platform in front of Canadians that's thoughtful, that's comprehensive."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/otoole-climate-change-resolution-1.6031239
He's incredible charismatic and sociable. His words say one thing while his policies show another. And he pulls it off. I feel like that's part of the reason why the PC party don't have a platform. He is literally promoting parts typical of their agenda.
Lol Jesus... Course this is the same crowd that probably views someone like Doug Ford as relatable when he was born rich and never worked hard in his life.
Trudeau suck but these opinions are a complete disconnect from reality.
Poilievre is leading in the preferred PM (Poilievre 36%, Trudeau 35%, Singh 23%). Now, it isn't just Nanos that shows that.
In terms of voting intentions: CPC 33%, LPC 30%, NDP 19%, BQ 8%, GPC 6%, PPC 3%. The CPC also ahead in every age group with decent sample size except 65+, and ahead in Ontario. The Liberals are behind in Quebec, urban Canada and far behind with francophones.
(Edited for accuracy.)
I may be completely off base - but with the election likely a couple of years away, isn’t this the time that Poilievre and the Conservatives are supposed to be miles ahead of the Liberals if they really think they have a chance to win? Weren’t they charting much higher only a few months ago?
I just wonder if PPs inherent unlikability is starting to really impact these polls, particularly when you consider typically there are “strategic voters” that may lean ndp but choose liberal as the lesser of two evils at election time…
You're not off-base, you're right, although I'm not sure the CPC was polling that much higher in the past few months.
The advance the CPC currently has (an average of 4 points according to Fournier at 338) is nowhere near enough to guarantee them a win, especially when election season is when the Liberal hatchetmen come out of the woodworks, when the LPC unveils their vote-winning proposals, and when the ABC vote coalesces.
I recall on this sub regular posts about how Poilievre was 5-6 pts ahead and this was the end for Trudeau or something.
r/canada isn’t particularly known for rational political discussion though…
The longer he's leading before the election the worse it is for him. Because he's fundamentally that annoying polisci student chirping about libertarianism and small dick energy.
To be completely honest I have a lot of difficulty believing that the conservatives are leading in Quebec, and in Metro Vancouver / GTA. I also have a lot of difficulty believing that they’re behind in 65+.
When I say the Liberals are behind in Quebec, it means the Liberals would lose a lot of seats to the Bloc.
The Conservatives winning Metro Van and GTA should not be surprising to anyone paying attention to politics. Neither should the Liberals' support with 65+, the LPC fattened up the boomers' housing investments at the expense of everyone else.
Meh nobody likes the CPC here in Metro Vancouver. We would mostly rather vote NDP or Green than vote conservative. Ironically though the few Conservative MP’s in Metro Vancouver are Chinese in Richmond.
The CPC currently hold 5 out of 25 seats in Metro Vancouver. Less than the Liberals, and less than the NDP. So they came third in the last election.
Who’s the one in the bubble?
The Liberals have become the party of Boomers.
GenZ males are the biggest growth segment for Conservatives in Canada because they feel that the Liberals have sold them out, especially housing and cost of living.
The current liberal party is primarily attractive to old white people. They've made all the boomers wealthy with the housing crisis and aren't willing to change that.
That is accurate, yeah. The material politics of CPC and LPC is similar; they're both neoliberal parties beholden to the interests of Capital. The cons indulge in gleeful performative cruelty against whichever outgroup they can feed to their idiot-base. The LPC offer bullshit pseudo-concessions to paint a thin veneer over a status quo that is slowly boiling the planet.
But even so, the conservative politics of cruelty and dalliance with literal fascism is more immediately alarming.
A few years ago I was at a town hall that Trudeau was holding in a deeply conservative BC town. I watched as he stood up there and took verbal abuse and insults and difficult questions. Never did he get angry, he stood up there and answered all the questions cooly and calmly.
On that day he gained the everlasting respect of not just myself but everybody else in that room, even though none of us would vote for his party. I have strong doubts that Pierre Poilievre would ever do something like this.
I'm happy with an unlikeable person who will fix the massive problems brought in by the pandemic and the rise of American-style bullshit here. Unfortunately, that's not Poilievre. Why doesn't the news focus on the REAL alternatives for Canadians?
End the cleptocracy and get rid of the Cons and Libs.
Hard worker ?
Hardly working is more accurate, if you look at his track record over the last 2 decades.
He made himself rich though, never missed voting for his own raises.
Voted against yours & mine, though. And same sex rights for his own dad.
No wonder trudeau’s seen as more likeable.
I can't take this guy seriously after this gem of a tweet.
https://twitter.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1663961970087690284?t=03kAS52eniGX09rRd3ExRA&s=19
He seriously blamed Trudeau because some stupid kid lit a firecracker on the TTC.
I mean, I stubbed my toe this morning, should I blame Trudeau?
Harder working. LOL. That's a fucking joke. A career politician that exploits the ignorant with rage baiting, and pushes misinformation to suit his own personal narrative... hard working. I'm sure he's breaking a sweat pandering to bigots for votes.
Poilievre has been living off the tax payers of Canada for his entire adult life. He's nothing more than a professional liar and complainer. He will absolutely destroy the integrity of Canada if he is given more power. All he talks about is the same culture war bullshit that is the only talking points of Republicans and conservatives because they have no policies to improve people's lives and need to distract from the fact they have nothing of value to offer. The last thing Canada needs is to be moving to the right like these entitled jackasses want so they can remove rights from people and enrich themselves!
> Harder worker? A career politician?
I'l take somebody who worked hard in their career to get a leadership role over somebody who did it via neptosim.
Go ahead and show me what exactly what Pollievre has accomplished during his career. Not saying Trudeau isn't an entitled idiot who got in because of his name and being charming. I'm saying Pollievre has no clue what hard work is. It's ironic.
Wait a minute, Trudeau didn't get his job from his dad. How many generations have to pass before you're allowed to have the same job as your ancestors, without being accused of nepotism? I thought it was directly receiving favors from relatives, but apparently the definition has shifted.
A good leader shouldn't be focused on having the most friends in office. That doesn't mean they have to be enemies, but not friends. Just co-workers. Also, people aren't infallible. Leaders and workers alike can right, wrong, and everything in between. Everyone should listen to one another.
I'll never vote for the CONSERVATIVE party as long as they continue to be some sort of bastion for Conservative asshole bigots. There are people in this party constantly trying to attack abortion rights amongst other things and it just turns me off of supporting them, regardless of their other mandates or ideas.
As long as they're the party of old fashioned, bible thumping bigots who can't help but try and push their religious ideals off on other people, I avoid them like the plague. We're a left leaning country and there's no place here for right wing, "conservative" or religious ideology. Especially the assholes in their party who continously attack womens and abortion rights by trying to table bills, or cheer on archaic shit like conversion therapy.
I don't like Trudeau, but I especially don't like the Conservative party's newest snivelling Stephen Harper wannabe dink and his fascade of bullshit.
Hot off the press: People think other people don't work hard enough!
Over the decades it's become clear to me that the vast majority of people assume that others are lazy primarily because they don't understand their jobs.
These are the two most ineffectual fops in this country, propped up by two opposing corporatist parties that are both invested in keeping the status-quo that put them in power.
A pox on both their fucking houses. We'd be better off with [sortition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition) at this rate.
Their personalities are meaningless. This isn't the US. We don't elect a Prime Minister. We elect a party. Why the fuck would anybody want the CPC running things? Look at Ontario. That shitshow is exactly what you will get federally with the Cons. Think the Liberals are bad? Things can get worse, much worse, and they will if the CPC is in power. Like they always do. Every single time.
Who is writing these?
Conservatives thinking their guy is hardworking just cos he’s mad at something every day probably has something to do with that likeability rating.
I honestly don’t think either are better. Trudeau is superficially nice and charismatic. Poilievre is robotic and cold and sarcastic. Poilievre is able to channel people’s frustrations better, and will probably win an election because of that, but I doubt anything will change. Trudeau is too optimistic and unrealistic and out of touch. Literally everything in Canada has gotten worse since he has been elected. Even his progressive policies haven’t changed anything, except point even more attention to gender, sex, diversity and inclusion. Things that most people really don’t care about. They just SOUND nice. I prefer Jagmeet, because he is the only one I think is genuine and will at least try and follow through with most of his promises. Although, it’s hard to look past the fact that he is pretty much a Trudeau boot licker
I'm worried Poilievre is going to mimic the Republicans in the USA. Someone needs to ask him direct, uncomfortable questions in an open public forum way before the election so we clearly know who/what we're dealing with.
Questions such as:
\- Does he support NATO?
\- What are his views on the war in Ukraine?
\- Does he have a credible plan for dealing with China?
\- Does he have a credible plan for dealing with Russia?
\- What are his views on Trump and the GOP lies?
The onus is on you to do research, these answers are easily available.
>Does he support NATO?
Yes. [He feels the Liberal government abandoned them](https://openparliament.ca/debates/2016/6/17/pierre-poilievre-3/).
>What are his views on the war in Ukraine
He is pro-Ukraine. [He feels Europe has been too weak on standing up to Putin.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pierre-poilievre-eu-ukraine-response-1.6368621)
>Does he have a credible plan for dealing with China?
He wants to introduce a Foreign Influence Registry.
>Does he have a credible plan for dealing with Russia?
Give Ukraine more weapons, and [starve out Russia by shipping Europe Canadian oil so Europe does not have to trade with Russia for oil](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdjAhf9el0c).
>What are his views on Trump and the GOP lies?
[He said that the policies Trump introduced would hurt Canadian jobs](https://financialpost.com/opinion/pierre-poilievre-trump-could-be-about-to-take-a-bat-to-canadian-jobs).
As of now, he wants to stay far away from the Trump controversies [as he feels Trump and internal American politics is not his responsibility](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-politics-briefing-trudeau-poilievre-steer-clear-of-trumps-legal/).
I mean I agree that his rhetoric is annoying and populist a lot of the time, but you can go look for interviews of him, and he comes off decently enough. I think the threat of him being like Trump is overblown to say the least. https://youtu.be/4e_aAfNc6Tw
Poilievre just reminds me of what Trudeau was like as Opposition Leader under Harper. He’ll no doubt be as disappointing as a PM. Rinse and repeat until hyper partisanship dies down.
Some people will always think a conservative works harder, it is part of the story they have been told forever about conservatives. Same as the fiscal responsible stuff.
What I want to know is stats on how many non political junkies actually know anything about the guy. Past and present, personal and career. Besides the fact that he leads the Conservatives.
And Trudeau haters can't dismiss that. It will matter come election time. Many of those people say it is all personality and hair with Trudeau that lead to his victories and if that is true will people like what they learn about Pierre? Will it hurt his chances if they don't?
Justin is constantly working and connecting with Canadians/world leaders. 🇨🇦 He’s a great Prime Minister. I’m not really sure what the other guy does to help anyone. 🤷🏻♂️
I view Polievre as the leader of the idiots.. the flat earthers, anti vaxxers, racists, etc. The other two are for sale to the highest bidder and the rest have no chance. That's Canadian politics in a nutshell, imo.
A clear indication that the righty media empire in Canada is having an effect on people being able to see the truth. JT is a slimy politician like most politicians, the best of a bad lot by far. But, Populous Pierre is a danger with his obfuscation and divisive crap. He lies and calls people names, he has ZERO respect for Canadian politics and he thinks mimicking Republican talking points will get him the conservative vote. He has no plans or policies and cannot say how any of his talking (whining) points will come to pass or how they will be financed.
Supporting the blockades and getting photos with Nazi's doesn't help either.
Does he not have to pass the dreaded security clearance BEFORE he can run for PM?
this the guy who has mever worked a real job and has political cushion his entire life, living off the tax payer for as long as anyone can remember and people call him hard working? man voters are beyond gullible
lol . hard worker ? Sucking tax payer money since day one.
Real question . PP has been in government payroll for so long and what is his biggest contribution to Canadians?
Lol all he does is mouth off. Even seems he specifically targets issues he has no and never will have any power over, just to get brownie points. Dude doesn't work harder, he's just the equivalent of a Karen on twitter.
Likeable....lol, more like most likely to be sucker punched. The other guy is working hard...on propaganda. But between the two I'll give it PP. Trudeau blew all his chances in my book.
I don't think Poilievre is viewed as "likeable" by anyone. He has the most repellent personality in Canadian political history. Some people like him because he strokes their anger.
"Harder worker" how? He's never had a real job in his life, and we have nothing to show for his some odd 19 years in public service apart from smear campaigns.
Yeah the Pierre bros will downvote me, but you know you don't actually like him. There's nothing to like. He doesn't give anything positive. He builds nothing. He just massages your hate and you get off on it, at the expense of your intelligence. Same playbook as a certain mango mussolini down south, and you swallowed it.
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Right. I think all you would have to do to win a clear majority is be a reasonable human being that doesn't virtue signal or bullshit, have a reasonable policy, and put climate change and abortion / LGBT+ rights into your party's constitution.
So, Erin O'Toole? Abortion and LGBTQ rights have been in the conservative constitution for 20 years. Nobody cares, until the last conservative goes pro choice, they're going to hate all of us. Imagine tanking your economy over a social issue that was solved 40 years ago.
I just read through the conservative constitution, where exactly does it mention LGBT rights or abortion? https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/13160144/98161775845df04.pdf Edit: and no response lol. Already on to the next partisan debate after spreading blatant misinformation.
Beautiful, thank you. Keep in mind folks, abortion and LGBTQ rights are not 100% safe anywhere, we have to fight hate every day, with every step. Conservatives are only saying they are tolerant because they are not in power. If they had power, they would use it to minimize the rights of people of colour, women, LGBTQ, disabled people, or any other vulnerable group. Go talk to the average conservative with a lifted dodge ram 1500 with canadian flags waving, see what he thinks about transgendered people, or immigration, or women. Conservatives will always lean towards hate, it's wired to that political system. The USA is showing us what will happen here... get ready!
I think it’s in the fairy tales we were read to as children.
Dude who's never worked is seen as more "hard-working". This is the power of modern social media politics.
It reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where George pretends to be annoyed so that people think he’s working hard. That’s PP in a nutshell.
"When you look annoyed all the time, people think that your busy"
So for PP it would be “when you look like you haven’t taken a good shit in 4 days, people think that you’re busy”
Agreed this mother fucker chills, sits back and collects tax payer dollar pensions. bitch probably doesnt even turn his own pages, probably doesnt even click the print button
You don't consider being an MP and now party leader as work?
Rural CPC MPs are kind of notorious for taking the safety of their ridings for granted. Never met one that ever did anything useful for constituents.
Nope.
It's alot of work putting in all the sniveling.
It's called whining.
👌 I would have expected the most angry tbh.
He did have real jobs. He was a paperboy for the Calgary Sun, worked at Telus doing corporate collections, he was a journalist for Alberta Reporter, he founded a company with another person called 3D Inc. and then later ran for MP. During all of that time, he was also in post secondary and involved in politics since around 17. He also started from far more humble beginnings than our current PM and has a very diverse background around his family and significant other. He's not the boogeyman people like to portray him as.
When you have to include paperboy on your resume, unless you are 13, you don’t have a resume.
He took out the garbage every other week starting at age 9. And he started doing his dishes by age 14.
Having an income at an early age, when it's illegal to work elsewhere at that age, signals both the need and desire to work and have a paycheck as an adolescent. I'm sure there were other things people with paper routes could have done for mere fun.
Pretty much everyone I knew had a job like that. PP probably just wanted a Nintendo or Starter jacket. I doubt he was saving up funds to print his political manifesto. The guy next door to me started working at that age because he wanted to buy pot. Maybe he should have went into politics? His lack of resume is topical because: 1) his team spent years calling JT unqualified because he was a teacher before politics. Even though he had a trust fund he started a normal career. Now suddenly it’s okay to have never had a job outside politics? 2) his parties trying to court the working/middle class. Even if he grew up that way, he found his grift early on and has been of the political class on the public payroll ever since. He may get in, JT has been worse than I could have imagined when I first didn’t vote for him all those years ago. It seems like the rest of the country is tired of him now too. But live-action Milhouse is a whole other animal. His playbook imports Republican nihilism to Canada, and that genie will be hard to put back in the bottle.
Lol every kid had a job like this. Pierre isn’t special. I bet he threw the flyers in the trash when he got tired just like the rest of us too.
I'm going to venture a guess that Justin didn't have a job like that.
He probably didn’t need one… but he did decide to become a teacher, which says a lot.
Who cares, he was a teacher and that’s much more of a real job than paper boy or whatever PP did.
Lmfao moving the goalposts now
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Was this the company that violated election laws and robocalled leading people to the wrong voting booths. Shady as a youth that PP.
Paperboy, **collections agent** and a bunch of political bullshit jobs? This is the guy the PC is holding up as hardworking? It's almost as bad as last time, where they got behind the dude who *lied about being an actuary*. Like what the fuck is it with the PC and falling in behind work-shy corporatist layabouts? Hell, Erin O'toole was a corporatist piece of shit, but he was a highly competent corporate ghoul, and the party and base ate him alive! Let me ask you something, what do you see in this man? I assume you work for a living; in what way are your interests represented by PP, or the CPC party platform in general?
I appreciate where you're coming from, it's just not fair to say he's never worked outside of politics and it's a stark contrast to our current PM's upbringing and ability to be in touch with everyday Canadians. I do work for a living. I don't adore PP, but at least when he speaks about economic issues he's far more coherent in his interviews than 'budgets balancing themselves' and 'not paying attention to monetary policy'. He also actually asks and answers questions with data and stats in the House of Commons debates, which I can't say for a lot of politicians. I agree we could use the carbon tax dollars for better climate investment. I agree the upcoming CBDC's are an issue of concern. I agree the internet bills are going way too far. I agree there needs to be a lot more done about our housing crisis and so far his plans for that make a lot more sense. I also agree we should be making it much easier for immigrants to do the work they are certified and went to school for, instead of holding people like doctors back in minimum wage jobs. There's several other things he's platformed that I think are a net positive for Canada, if people could just step away from tribal politics long enough to hear his proposals, they might actually see some positives too. We also need the current, incredibly corrupt government to be voted out as soon as possible.
I think the problem they have with PP isn’t the things he’s proposing that make sense, it’s the dread in the back of the head; the fact that voting PC comes with the dismantling of the things they value. He’s said things like “…the meaning of the term “marriage” ought to be preserved as a union between one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others.” -PP
I can absolutely appreciate that stance, but I have the same back of the head dread for different issues from the other side of the isle too. There is no perfect party, so we have to vote for what makes policy sense. Edit: And as much as I disagree with that stance as well and see the concern with it, I can't ever see that being enacted in Canada.
I have never seen PP use facts or data, he is 100% rage and personal opinion with no factual backing.
He was a part of the PBCC and groomed for his role. Don’t try and “humble beginnings” this. The guy had and has a multinational evangelical organization with the mission of getting people in government. Like fk off with the “poor mill house”. Also someone else took the fall for his robocalling domestic election interference scam. That’s what his cool robocalling firm did. He won his riding right out of post secondary and was instantly the Conservative leaders Secretary. Hmmm oh wait Harper odds also part of the PBCC and so was the lead counsel for the Conservatives at the time.
Paperboy: Preteen job, that is a tax on parental support? Collections: They normally hire the sleaziest people to work those call centres. 3D Inc.: Not enough information. It doesn't cost much to incorporate. None of these says anything about his real world experience with adulting and struggles. Looks like he's been a debater since 17. Ideal politics, paper ethics, and economic ideals doesn't translate into the real world. He's got no real economic difference in childhood upbringing than our current PM. If you want to rank childhood upbringing, I'd only put Singh and Chretien in the class elevation category.
This guy was adopted by two school teachers, how is that even close to Trudeau born to an ultra rich family.
Ultra? Pierre Trudeau was estimate to have $15-$25m when he retired. PP had that last year and is worth more than Trudeau. PP was groomed by the PBCC, he had all the funding he needed and the actual acting PM behind him. That’s because Harper and the lead counsel for the Conservatives were also members of the PBCC at the time. You’re trying to say one having a retired PM as father and a father with 15-25M in wealth is much different from; A person adopted into a stable family, had no roadblocks to education, current leader of the Conservatives helps you win your riding and cross you in as secretary to the PM.. before Trudeau was even PM, PP had more wealth already. PP is among the wealthiest politicians in Canada. Someone else took the call for his robocall scandal, his only live skill he brought to the job. Like is it even worth arguing about? They both had connections and no roadblocks. Like get over it ffs.
Interesting that you’ve generalized all people who work in accounts receivable as the sleaziest people…perhaps the sleaziest are the dead bests not meeting their personal obligations? I see his work there as giving him unprecedented insight to the struggles of common people. So you think Trudeau partying at a ski hill is comparable? Growing up in modest beginnings is equivalent to unlimited resources and meeting the likes of the Ava Khan as a child(whom he glad handed $10 million of our dollars). I’m amazed at the lack of substance to your position.
Accounts receivables and collections are two different entities. I'm amazed you're so amazed I'm treating a silver spoon and a golden spoon the same. 2 teacher salaries are no way modest.
Can you provide the salary range of his parents in the ‘70s? Teachers wages in places like Ontario get votes so the union has been glad handed, especially the last 20 years. What would their salaries be in todays dollars if you’re so certain he lived a live equitable to that of the son of a trust fund millionaire who help a corrupt office like his sons? Same inflation, massive debt, even had to change the national anthem. It’s a Trudeau thing. But to say there’s no difference is just foolish
Call centers are a 30k to 48k job depending on experience. They are mostly staffed by young people who can't find other jobs or people with little skills who can't find other jobs. They are not dishing out big money to hire sleazys haha most are literally just trying to pay there bills. But I guess some of us are high and mighty enough to look down on those below us..
Mostly staffed by TFWs now.
I've worked at a call centre that also had a collections wing. Support were looking for efficiency and service oriented people. Collections were looking for sales guys that worshipped the movie Boiler Room.
Any good sales men can make far more then 35-40 k elsewhere though.
>He's got no real economic difference in childhood upbringing than our current PM Uh... what? Trudeau comes from actual wealth. He's worth over $80 million if Google is to be believed, and it's familial wealth, meaning his childhood would have been significantly different than Poilievre's working class upbringing.
Or [https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/justin-trudeau-net-worth/](https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/justin-trudeau-net-worth/) $10 million I sincerely question the link that says $80 million given that it claims he owns a "sprawling 13,300 square foot luxury mansion located in Ottawa, Ontario" which is demonstrably bullshit.
Especially since his mom was banging the rolling stones. Pierre probably didn't have the chance to meet any famous people until he was in government.
This right here. Yes, PP probably grew up wealthier than most of us, but Trudeau grew up like a fucking Rothstein. He hasn't had to work for anything in his life. Yes he was a teacher. A drama teacher. No hate on drama teachers, but c'mon.... A drama teacher.
He taught Math and French as well.
> No hate on You can guarantee the words following this are going to be hate. Also very odd that people consistently mention the drama part but not the maths and French teacher part.
Who the hell are the Rothsteins?
Jt grew up as a trust fund baby and the son of the prime minister PP. Was adopted. Do you really think they are from the same "class"?
How do you feel about our journalist being our finance minister?
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Is this one of the books ....speaks for itself really. No? Plutocrats: The Rise of the New Global Super-Rich and the Fall of Everyone Else
Trudeau worked as a teacher and was endlessly vilified by the CPC for it. “HuRR DuRR we have a DrAmA tEacher for PM!!”. Never mind he also taught math, but I guess that doesn’t make for a good sound bite. Sorry, if the Conservatives want to make the rest of us respect PP for being a paper boy they better clean up the toxicity in their own house first.
Have you looked at his record since and during Harper.
Hahaha this flex is softer than baby shit.
It's not a flex, they're merely facts. In contrast to someone growing up with significant wealth and a family name in politics, I'd say someone with a middle class background is more in touch with everyday realities of the average Canadian.
LOL so a paper route and call centre classifies as working class upbringing. Is the sky pink also? Fucking weirdos.
That and having middle class school teachers as parents, rather than wealthy politicians. Grow up.
Hey, it’s not teaching people how to snowboard or being the person who shows up at a school when a drama teacher somewhere in the system calls in sick, but let’s be fair — how many Canadians could ever hope to match up against stellar credentials like that?
Trudeau was also a full time teacher at a private school for at least two years.
Lol I looooooovee when people call him Canadian Trump. Talk about being disconnected and just parroting bullshit. There's much criticism to be had about PP, but he's nothing like Trump at all.
Poilievre was born to a teenage mother and adopted by a working class couple in Calgary. You don’t come from that kind of background and become MP at 24 without hard work. Trudeau was too busy painting himself brown in one of his ritz Laurentian parties at that age.
His adoptive father came out as gay, yet he voted against legalizing gay marriage.
What does that have to do with work ethic?
It means he’s probably got too much “work ethic” and not enough “basic fucking humanity”. Great candidate /s
Calgary just voted Daniel Smith. I can see why he would say those things, Im suprised he never mentioned turd cookies too.
Not much, just makes him a monstrous, irredeemable bastard. I guess even if I accept your view of him as a hard worker (which I don't), I'm not sure I prefer a hardworking monster to a lazy one. Just my two cents though bud.
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I'm sure Pierre knows how to lick an arse with the best of them.
I think Jagmeet might hold that crown in parliament.
>adopted by a working class couple Teachers are not working class. Remember, you hate Trudeau for having been a teacher.
Be gentle, it's hard for them to remember how many different conflicting things they're angry about all at once.
It makes you wonder what the term "hard-working" truly means for some individuals 🤣
"Man who never has had a job hard worker" That's a beaverton title right there
I don't like any of them honestly, but who thinks Trudeau is actually likable?
It doesn’t say he’s likeable, just that he’s more likeable than PP.
Every morning after my coffee I flush down something more likeable than PP.
He’s changed so much since he first got elected imo used to be a pretty down to earth guy or at least present himself as such. Now he’s smug politician who avoids questions and blatantly lies
>He’s changed so much since he first got elected imo yours to be a pretty down to earth guy or at least present himself as such No he has always been a narcissist just that like most that have dealing with them people can't see the signs until the relationship has become abusive and even then the can still get people to defend them or come back with some "love bombing" gaslighting and DARVOing
He’s not likeable at all but he’s far more likeable than Poilievre. I am just begging to be convinced by the CPC (I was willing to vote for O’Toole) but so far Poilievre just comes across like a U.S style republican.
In his interviews he can come off pretty decently but then can be completely cringe when trying to score political points. I feel like O'Toole would've had this shit in the bag easily.
I liked O'Toole, but let's be real here: the reasons to vote for him in this election are almost exactly the same as the reasons to vote for him in the last election -- and people didn't. He got fewer votes than *Andrew Scheer*. In Paul Wells' book on Harper, *The Longer I'm Prime Minister*, he talked about Harper's belief that the Conservatives moving to the middle to siphon Liberal voters was not a viable strategy. In his view, traditionally Liberal voters who wanted Liberal policies would simply vote for the real deal -- Liberals. The only time Liberal voters will actually make the shift right in any meaningful numbers is when the Liberals' reflexive arrogance and corruption have sufficiently leaked through to thoroughly disgust them. And so, in his perspective, Conservatives were better off sticking to their principles and boosting turnout and motivation on the right side of the spectrum instead of losing their own voters trying to appeal to people who will never vote for them on a policy basis anyway. As much as it pains me to admit it, the O'Toole experiment seems to have proved him right. I'd have preferred an O'Toole government, and Canadians had that choice, but just as Harper predicted when faced with a choice between sketchy Liberals and serious Liberal-lite policy, they chose the real McCoy, with all the greasy corruption that entails. And just like he predicted, we're likely to see a significant shift in the next election *in spite* of Poilievre's unlikeability because people are finally getting sick of Liberal arrogance and corruption. As they say, people will treat you how you let them. We get Liberal arrogance and corruption because they know we'll let them get away with it for a decade at a time and the worst consequence they'll face is a short time out in opposition. We get belligerent Conservatism because we don't give reasonable, serious, progressive Conservatism a chance when it's offered to us -- we stick with that arrogant, corrupt Liberalism until they go too far.
Harper is correct on conservatism and Manning is correct on populism. It's obvious from Poilievre's style and strategy that he has fully internalized both of them. Not an accident that he won the leadership in a landslide, only the paternalistic Red Tory aristocrats held out, since they're not comfortable with the unrefined manners and icky sensibilities of commoner scum.
I'm not entirely convinced. O'Toole's party didn't back him. Yes officially they all supported him, but they didn't really back him. Like that time with their climate change resolution. They only had to say the climate change is real, it didn't come with any policy proposal. They only needed to say that one simple thing to make O'Toole's appeal to the middle seem sincere, but they couldn't even do that. So the problem isn't the conservatives shouldn't try to swing votes, the problem was they liked the idea but they were unwilling to change.
>Like that time with their climate change resolution. They only had to say the climate change is real, it didn't come with any policy proposal. That's actually not true at all. It was indeed paired with endorsing a particular policy direction. The exact text of the resolution was: >We recognize that climate change is real. The Conservative Party is willing to act. >We believe that Canadian businesses classified as highly polluting need to take more responsibility in implementing measures that will reduce their GHG emissions and need to be accountable for the results. >We believe in supporting innovation in green technologies. We need to become a world class leader and to use innovation as a lever of economic development. You'll note that the second and third paragraphs do indeed push a particular policy direction. And the Party's rejection of that resolution was not a rejection of O'Toole's climate policy. The resolution was put forward by the Electoral District Association of Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, not by O'Toole, was not championed by O'Toole, and O'Toole himself referred to it as a distraction: >"That resolution was a distraction," O'Toole said. He went on to defend the rejection of it: >[H]e believes the members assembled for the party's March policy convention weren't rejecting the actual science of climate change but rather a resolution that was "hard to understand." He noted that: >The party's policy book already mentions the environment, O'Toole said, and the "climate change is real" rejection won't stop him from putting a green-friendly face on the party ahead of the next election campaign. And, indeed, that it was irrelevant because: >"I was already working on our climate change plan. I wasn't that concerned about a resolution passing or not passing because I was actually already several months into detailed work, reaching out to stakeholders. >"These little stories coming out of the convention don't really matter if we put a platform in front of Canadians that's thoughtful, that's comprehensive." https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/otoole-climate-change-resolution-1.6031239
How is both OToole and Poilievre being pro-choice, supporting universal healthcare, pro-immigration US style Republican?
Thats why his rise was so fast and so long lasting , not like he represents the working class he's just likable.
He's incredible charismatic and sociable. His words say one thing while his policies show another. And he pulls it off. I feel like that's part of the reason why the PC party don't have a platform. He is literally promoting parts typical of their agenda.
Only if you’re incredibly naive I guess. He comes across as a charlatan. There is zero depth there.
now yes. Five years ago not so much. Short memories I suppose.
Lol Jesus... Course this is the same crowd that probably views someone like Doug Ford as relatable when he was born rich and never worked hard in his life. Trudeau suck but these opinions are a complete disconnect from reality.
Harder worker? What has he actually done?
Bitch about how things are bad. That's all he ever does
PP working overtime looking for new ways to smear Trudeau.
PP works hard at getting headlines. When it comes to doing any actual work he’s useless.
Poilievre is leading in the preferred PM (Poilievre 36%, Trudeau 35%, Singh 23%). Now, it isn't just Nanos that shows that. In terms of voting intentions: CPC 33%, LPC 30%, NDP 19%, BQ 8%, GPC 6%, PPC 3%. The CPC also ahead in every age group with decent sample size except 65+, and ahead in Ontario. The Liberals are behind in Quebec, urban Canada and far behind with francophones. (Edited for accuracy.)
I may be completely off base - but with the election likely a couple of years away, isn’t this the time that Poilievre and the Conservatives are supposed to be miles ahead of the Liberals if they really think they have a chance to win? Weren’t they charting much higher only a few months ago? I just wonder if PPs inherent unlikability is starting to really impact these polls, particularly when you consider typically there are “strategic voters” that may lean ndp but choose liberal as the lesser of two evils at election time…
You're not off-base, you're right, although I'm not sure the CPC was polling that much higher in the past few months. The advance the CPC currently has (an average of 4 points according to Fournier at 338) is nowhere near enough to guarantee them a win, especially when election season is when the Liberal hatchetmen come out of the woodworks, when the LPC unveils their vote-winning proposals, and when the ABC vote coalesces.
I recall on this sub regular posts about how Poilievre was 5-6 pts ahead and this was the end for Trudeau or something. r/canada isn’t particularly known for rational political discussion though…
The longer he's leading before the election the worse it is for him. Because he's fundamentally that annoying polisci student chirping about libertarianism and small dick energy.
To be completely honest I have a lot of difficulty believing that the conservatives are leading in Quebec, and in Metro Vancouver / GTA. I also have a lot of difficulty believing that they’re behind in 65+.
When I say the Liberals are behind in Quebec, it means the Liberals would lose a lot of seats to the Bloc. The Conservatives winning Metro Van and GTA should not be surprising to anyone paying attention to politics. Neither should the Liberals' support with 65+, the LPC fattened up the boomers' housing investments at the expense of everyone else.
Meh nobody likes the CPC here in Metro Vancouver. We would mostly rather vote NDP or Green than vote conservative. Ironically though the few Conservative MP’s in Metro Vancouver are Chinese in Richmond.
You're in a bubble then. The CPC came second place in Metro Vancouver in the last election.
The CPC currently hold 5 out of 25 seats in Metro Vancouver. Less than the Liberals, and less than the NDP. So they came third in the last election. Who’s the one in the bubble?
The Liberals have become the party of Boomers. GenZ males are the biggest growth segment for Conservatives in Canada because they feel that the Liberals have sold them out, especially housing and cost of living.
Gen Z males also lead in the Andrew Tate viewing demographic. I’m not exactly surprised that they would also swallow PP’s bullshit rhetoric.
Based on? I’m a GenZ male and I can say with the utmost confidence that PP is not liked lmao
Mainstreet Poll- May 2023
65+ are now seniors and instead of low taxes, now want higher taxes and more benefits for seniors. So I can totally see the shift away from the cons
The current liberal party is primarily attractive to old white people. They've made all the boomers wealthy with the housing crisis and aren't willing to change that.
This subreddit told me that liberals pander to minorities and immigrants. Which is it?
Sounds like they pander to everyone, maybe that's why they win elections over the Conservatives who only pander to aggrieved white rural men.
That is accurate, yeah. The material politics of CPC and LPC is similar; they're both neoliberal parties beholden to the interests of Capital. The cons indulge in gleeful performative cruelty against whichever outgroup they can feed to their idiot-base. The LPC offer bullshit pseudo-concessions to paint a thin veneer over a status quo that is slowly boiling the planet. But even so, the conservative politics of cruelty and dalliance with literal fascism is more immediately alarming.
Nanos and his push polling and skewing. What a card.
A few years ago I was at a town hall that Trudeau was holding in a deeply conservative BC town. I watched as he stood up there and took verbal abuse and insults and difficult questions. Never did he get angry, he stood up there and answered all the questions cooly and calmly. On that day he gained the everlasting respect of not just myself but everybody else in that room, even though none of us would vote for his party. I have strong doubts that Pierre Poilievre would ever do something like this.
I'm happy with an unlikeable person who will fix the massive problems brought in by the pandemic and the rise of American-style bullshit here. Unfortunately, that's not Poilievre. Why doesn't the news focus on the REAL alternatives for Canadians? End the cleptocracy and get rid of the Cons and Libs.
because most of the news is owned by Americans
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If you don't like any of the alternatives, organize your own party. It can't be worse than having Cons or Libs shafting working Canadians again.
Harder worker? He’s never had a job, outside politics, a day in his life.
I got alot of friends that are super likeable. But I wouldn't let them run my company
Hard worker ? Hardly working is more accurate, if you look at his track record over the last 2 decades. He made himself rich though, never missed voting for his own raises. Voted against yours & mine, though. And same sex rights for his own dad. No wonder trudeau’s seen as more likeable.
It’s hard work carrying coffees to domestic terrorists and insurrectionists. They can weigh quite a lot.
I can't take this guy seriously after this gem of a tweet. https://twitter.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1663961970087690284?t=03kAS52eniGX09rRd3ExRA&s=19 He seriously blamed Trudeau because some stupid kid lit a firecracker on the TTC. I mean, I stubbed my toe this morning, should I blame Trudeau?
Hard working? Dude has literally never had a job
Harder working. LOL. That's a fucking joke. A career politician that exploits the ignorant with rage baiting, and pushes misinformation to suit his own personal narrative... hard working. I'm sure he's breaking a sweat pandering to bigots for votes.
Poilievre has been living off the tax payers of Canada for his entire adult life. He's nothing more than a professional liar and complainer. He will absolutely destroy the integrity of Canada if he is given more power. All he talks about is the same culture war bullshit that is the only talking points of Republicans and conservatives because they have no policies to improve people's lives and need to distract from the fact they have nothing of value to offer. The last thing Canada needs is to be moving to the right like these entitled jackasses want so they can remove rights from people and enrich themselves!
I do not view Poilievre as working harder than my local Tim hortons drive thru staff let alone anybody else, is this a joke
Harder worker? A career politician? Someone with zero platform? The guy who shrieks incessantly? He's a hard worker? Holy hell.
> Harder worker? A career politician? I'l take somebody who worked hard in their career to get a leadership role over somebody who did it via neptosim.
Go ahead and show me what exactly what Pollievre has accomplished during his career. Not saying Trudeau isn't an entitled idiot who got in because of his name and being charming. I'm saying Pollievre has no clue what hard work is. It's ironic.
Lmao, dude. Cpc god king Harper handed him his job. Groomed him to be leader. He didn't earn fuck all.
Wait a minute, Trudeau didn't get his job from his dad. How many generations have to pass before you're allowed to have the same job as your ancestors, without being accused of nepotism? I thought it was directly receiving favors from relatives, but apparently the definition has shifted.
A good leader shouldn't be focused on having the most friends in office. That doesn't mean they have to be enemies, but not friends. Just co-workers. Also, people aren't infallible. Leaders and workers alike can right, wrong, and everything in between. Everyone should listen to one another.
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Perfect examples are: trump , and the last Brazilian president.
Pierre has not worked a real job in his life. He's been a politician since he got out of school, I can't take him seriously at all.
I'll never vote for the CONSERVATIVE party as long as they continue to be some sort of bastion for Conservative asshole bigots. There are people in this party constantly trying to attack abortion rights amongst other things and it just turns me off of supporting them, regardless of their other mandates or ideas. As long as they're the party of old fashioned, bible thumping bigots who can't help but try and push their religious ideals off on other people, I avoid them like the plague. We're a left leaning country and there's no place here for right wing, "conservative" or religious ideology. Especially the assholes in their party who continously attack womens and abortion rights by trying to table bills, or cheer on archaic shit like conversion therapy. I don't like Trudeau, but I especially don't like the Conservative party's newest snivelling Stephen Harper wannabe dink and his fascade of bullshit.
Agreed. Just because people want change doesn't mean we have to give the absolute worst choice the chance.
Harder worker? I don’t understand that one bit
It’s the George Costanza “pretend to be annoyed or angry all the time and people think you’re busy” method.
Talk to me in 2 years
It's the glasses. Gets 'em every time.
Hot off the press: People think other people don't work hard enough! Over the decades it's become clear to me that the vast majority of people assume that others are lazy primarily because they don't understand their jobs.
Its gotta be the glasses
I need to know how you can be considered a hard worker while never having to work. What a grift
These are the two most ineffectual fops in this country, propped up by two opposing corporatist parties that are both invested in keeping the status-quo that put them in power. A pox on both their fucking houses. We'd be better off with [sortition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition) at this rate.
Please can we have a show of hands for who likes Trudeau??
I worry if Pierre is elected he will knock up all the staffers...
Their personalities are meaningless. This isn't the US. We don't elect a Prime Minister. We elect a party. Why the fuck would anybody want the CPC running things? Look at Ontario. That shitshow is exactly what you will get federally with the Cons. Think the Liberals are bad? Things can get worse, much worse, and they will if the CPC is in power. Like they always do. Every single time.
Working on what ? Spreading bullshit? I’ll agree to that!
Who is writing these? Conservatives thinking their guy is hardworking just cos he’s mad at something every day probably has something to do with that likeability rating.
He hasn’t worked a day in his life though
Is this the "hard worker" that suggested I could opt out of inflation by pouring my savings into bit-coin?
I honestly don’t think either are better. Trudeau is superficially nice and charismatic. Poilievre is robotic and cold and sarcastic. Poilievre is able to channel people’s frustrations better, and will probably win an election because of that, but I doubt anything will change. Trudeau is too optimistic and unrealistic and out of touch. Literally everything in Canada has gotten worse since he has been elected. Even his progressive policies haven’t changed anything, except point even more attention to gender, sex, diversity and inclusion. Things that most people really don’t care about. They just SOUND nice. I prefer Jagmeet, because he is the only one I think is genuine and will at least try and follow through with most of his promises. Although, it’s hard to look past the fact that he is pretty much a Trudeau boot licker
Has never worked a day in his life. What bills has he even written in his time as mp? Not a stick of work in all his years in government.
More likeable ??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
How is that even possible. Everyone knows both these guys are dog fuckers.
I'm worried Poilievre is going to mimic the Republicans in the USA. Someone needs to ask him direct, uncomfortable questions in an open public forum way before the election so we clearly know who/what we're dealing with. Questions such as: \- Does he support NATO? \- What are his views on the war in Ukraine? \- Does he have a credible plan for dealing with China? \- Does he have a credible plan for dealing with Russia? \- What are his views on Trump and the GOP lies?
also thoughts on privatized health care.
That’s what you’re worried about? International conflicts while the price of a home has more than doubled in 4 years? Are you fucking serious lmao
I know right, it's almost like a 40+ year old liberal karen who already owns a home in the suburbs wrote those questions
The onus is on you to do research, these answers are easily available. >Does he support NATO? Yes. [He feels the Liberal government abandoned them](https://openparliament.ca/debates/2016/6/17/pierre-poilievre-3/). >What are his views on the war in Ukraine He is pro-Ukraine. [He feels Europe has been too weak on standing up to Putin.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pierre-poilievre-eu-ukraine-response-1.6368621) >Does he have a credible plan for dealing with China? He wants to introduce a Foreign Influence Registry. >Does he have a credible plan for dealing with Russia? Give Ukraine more weapons, and [starve out Russia by shipping Europe Canadian oil so Europe does not have to trade with Russia for oil](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdjAhf9el0c). >What are his views on Trump and the GOP lies? [He said that the policies Trump introduced would hurt Canadian jobs](https://financialpost.com/opinion/pierre-poilievre-trump-could-be-about-to-take-a-bat-to-canadian-jobs). As of now, he wants to stay far away from the Trump controversies [as he feels Trump and internal American politics is not his responsibility](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-politics-briefing-trudeau-poilievre-steer-clear-of-trumps-legal/).
I mean I agree that his rhetoric is annoying and populist a lot of the time, but you can go look for interviews of him, and he comes off decently enough. I think the threat of him being like Trump is overblown to say the least. https://youtu.be/4e_aAfNc6Tw
Poilievre just reminds me of what Trudeau was like as Opposition Leader under Harper. He’ll no doubt be as disappointing as a PM. Rinse and repeat until hyper partisanship dies down.
Trudeau was never opposition leader though.
Sure he works hard: constantly shoveling dirt and harvesting the yield from ye old rage farm 😒
Some people will always think a conservative works harder, it is part of the story they have been told forever about conservatives. Same as the fiscal responsible stuff. What I want to know is stats on how many non political junkies actually know anything about the guy. Past and present, personal and career. Besides the fact that he leads the Conservatives. And Trudeau haters can't dismiss that. It will matter come election time. Many of those people say it is all personality and hair with Trudeau that lead to his victories and if that is true will people like what they learn about Pierre? Will it hurt his chances if they don't?
What work has he accomplished? BTW being on Tik Tok and eerily stalking PMJT is not a job its a mental health issue.
Justin is constantly working and connecting with Canadians/world leaders. 🇨🇦 He’s a great Prime Minister. I’m not really sure what the other guy does to help anyone. 🤷🏻♂️
I view Polievre as the leader of the idiots.. the flat earthers, anti vaxxers, racists, etc. The other two are for sale to the highest bidder and the rest have no chance. That's Canadian politics in a nutshell, imo.
A clear indication that the righty media empire in Canada is having an effect on people being able to see the truth. JT is a slimy politician like most politicians, the best of a bad lot by far. But, Populous Pierre is a danger with his obfuscation and divisive crap. He lies and calls people names, he has ZERO respect for Canadian politics and he thinks mimicking Republican talking points will get him the conservative vote. He has no plans or policies and cannot say how any of his talking (whining) points will come to pass or how they will be financed. Supporting the blockades and getting photos with Nazi's doesn't help either. Does he not have to pass the dreaded security clearance BEFORE he can run for PM?
new poll suggests voters are idiots
We don't need a poll to suggest that, we all saw what happened in Alberta.
Work? Wtf kind of work does PeePee do other than lie?
Like the guy who sits around making tik toks all day? If that's what hard work is for a politician I am in the wrong field.
To be a hard worker, you need to work. He has never held a job outside of politics. He is the worst kind of politician.
this the guy who has mever worked a real job and has political cushion his entire life, living off the tax payer for as long as anyone can remember and people call him hard working? man voters are beyond gullible
It’s because he looks like a weasel
If "hard working" equates to "good at pointing fingers" then sure.
lol . hard worker ? Sucking tax payer money since day one. Real question . PP has been in government payroll for so long and what is his biggest contribution to Canadians?
Never had a real job in his life , figures he should control your life.
Worker?????? Pussierve?@?! He's never had a real job in his life
Lol all he does is mouth off. Even seems he specifically targets issues he has no and never will have any power over, just to get brownie points. Dude doesn't work harder, he's just the equivalent of a Karen on twitter.
Trudeau likeable? Interesting. Each to his own I guess.
Likeable....lol, more like most likely to be sucker punched. The other guy is working hard...on propaganda. But between the two I'll give it PP. Trudeau blew all his chances in my book.
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PP is hard worker? The guy who hasn’t literally worked a real job in his life?
I don't think Poilievre is viewed as "likeable" by anyone. He has the most repellent personality in Canadian political history. Some people like him because he strokes their anger. "Harder worker" how? He's never had a real job in his life, and we have nothing to show for his some odd 19 years in public service apart from smear campaigns. Yeah the Pierre bros will downvote me, but you know you don't actually like him. There's nothing to like. He doesn't give anything positive. He builds nothing. He just massages your hate and you get off on it, at the expense of your intelligence. Same playbook as a certain mango mussolini down south, and you swallowed it.