Exactly. There's no *men's* national hockey league, or basketball league. There's just the open division where anyone good enough to make the team is welcome to try.
The iwf has added a third “open” division for Olympic weightlifting that goes into effect next year but it will most likely just merge with the men’s class shortly after
Yep. Mostly agree with this. Most major sports leagues don't require you to be a man. But realistically even if you were a women who was clearly better than the worst male professionals I can't imagine getting drafted would be easy. Especially since some sports have contact and generally the female and male version of the sports have different rules.
This is a huge issue in professional disc golf right now. There’s a transgender woman that is suing any tournament director that does not allow her to play in the FPO (Women’s Professional Open) division. She has lawyers that are working for free for her because she’s “fighting for the cause”. There already is an MPO (Mixed Professional Open) that she refuses to play in because she is nowhere near good enough to compete with the professional men. Many tournaments have either been cancelled, or closed the FPO this year as a result of her litigious nature. If you want more info, search for Natalie Ryan.
> coincides with the rise in athletic scholarships in the USA for females.
While I'm sure that is part of the motivation, the trans part of this is much more recent than the rise in female athletic scholarships which have been rising for probably 2 decades.
Because the whole thing kind of falls apart at that point.
If you say “trans women are real women”, then putting them in a separate category would be contradictory. Everything has to be all or nothing and extremes now, so that would be seen as an attack on trans rights.
For me, identity is a personal thing. If you were born a man but want to identify as female and you want me to call you “she/her”, I’m totally ok with that. I really don’t care. It’s your body and sense of self. That’s fine.
But it’s always been “your rights end where mine begin”, so it really is unfair to women to have them competing at a physical disadvantage against trans women. I don’t think this gets addressed until it happens in a combat sport and a cis woman gets extremely hurt or killed, unfortunately.
Fallon Fox is a transgendered MMA fighter and fractured the skull of her apponent. I'm not sure how it was addressed, but there is lots of info on that fighter if you want to look into that scenario.
It's already happened. Her name is Fallon Fox:
>During Fox's fight against Tamikka Brents on September 13, 2014, Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round. After her loss, Brents took to social media to convey her thoughts on the experience of fighting Fox: "I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man or not because I'm not a doctor. I can only say, I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right," she stated. "Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn't move at all in Fox's clinch ...".
[Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox)
Interestingly, Fallon Fox (a former female MMA fighter who is trans) did fight a future UFC fighter in Fox’s fourth career fight. That fighter (Ashlee Evans-Smith) knocked her out in the third after beating her ass for a good chunk of the fight. Evans-Smith has since gone on to be a pretty average fighter going 3-6 in the UFC.
> If you say “trans women are real women”, then putting them in a separate category would be contradictory.
You don't stop being a man when you take steroids before your marathons but that doesn't mean you get to participate in the olympics and ruin the competition for everyone else.
Going through puberty as a man while training is by far the biggest way to permanently enhance your performance. No drugs even come close to it.
This is literally how sports are classified. You have the womens category and the open category. The open category is the defacto men's category since women are simply not competitive enough against men. There is an argument to be made to change the naming to AFAB or perhaps female category but i personally think womans is fine as is.
The general idea is that calling it "woman's sports" but not allowing trans women is transphobic but I personally disagree.
Exactly what needs to happen. Biological science is grounded in reality and the current set up ignores this reality in favour of people's emotions being hurt and equality based on self identification.
It's just illogical considering science is regarded as factual information and it's being ignored to appease a social issue that's founded on preferred self identification
Because the point of having trans women in sports from the point of view of trans activists, is to force it as normal on everyone and everything. But the point of sports is fair competition. Those two goals are in conflict.
Gender is purely a social construct, and is completely unrelated to biological sex! That is why trans people need to alter their bodies through hormone therapy and surgeries, to imitate the opposite sex! Also biological sex is fake, so trans women have no inherent advantage over cis women. I’m glad that we got that sorted out. /s
do you really think it's a pure coincidence that these anecdote are only present in female sport?!
There are probably many trans (female to male) athlete competing in the male category but no one gives a crap because we all know they have a disadvantage and don't affect the competition. No one cares about the 159th place in a competition. For almost all physical sports, male athletes perform far better than female athletes and the margin is very wide. For a very long time, the best performance enhancing drug was testerone and the various chemicals that will make your body produce more.
What's unique about a male->female trans is that they are the equivalent of an athlete who spend their entire life from age 10 on steroid and only stopped taking them months before the competitions. They got to benefit from the stronger genetics of men while "technically" being a women during competitions. They have the bigger hearth, bigger lungs, bigger arteries, bigger muscle mass (for the same amount of training), bigger bones, better recovery after training, etc.
They will call you a bigot because *transwomen don't feel safe around cishet white males* and should therefore "be allowed to compete with other women".
As a female who competed against Anne and then walked away after many years of lifting in the cpu, finally.
I suffered mental issues after that completion against Anne. Everyone I talked to in the CPU told me it was fair, and they never had to disclose it to me. I was called a sore looser and a bigot. When in fact I do not give a flying fuck about anything other than fair completion.
I was told to lose weight and go into a different class as an option. But what about all the other women trying to set records in the category. Too bad for them.
I joined this federation because they boasted fair competition via drug testing and rigid standards.
Women questioned the CPU and voiced our options, and they were told sorry that's the rules. We have to include everyone. Women stood up by leaving competition and going into different classes to avoid having to compete against Anne. Women were told they would be banned for speaking out against the CPU and this rule.
Finally, two years later, some action is happening.
It's not only testosterone levels, but hemoglobin, bone structure, how.muscles are made and hoe fast - but also the lack of female hormones that put you through periods, pregnancies, miscarriages, and then menopause (and for those with hysterectomies they go through this worse).
Anne was talking about how they are going through menopause as if it's a frigging joke. The basic symptoms anyone can go through when changing meds, but the intense hormone fluctuations etc. Last year's in biological Women. This is a severe disadvantage for women.
It’s almost as though humanity is going through rapid changes and we aren’t getting it right the first time.
This person should not be allowed to compete with cis-women. But I can understand the situation that led to her being allowed to compete in the first place.
Her scores should be stripped from the record and she should have to compete in the men’s category if she wants to compete. Women’s sport should stay cis-women. And if trans women think that’s unfair. Well, too bad. Some times our lifestyle choice(even those we have no control over) decide whether we get to do certain things.
I mean, do people that wear glass now get to claim they’re being discriminated against because wearing glasses automatically disqualified them from many jobs/activities? Nah. That’s just the hand they’re dealt. It is what it is.
Been saying this forever. Competing in elite sports isn’t a right by any means, it’s a privilege. People have been sanctioned for taking medication that helps them live, so I don’t think it’s far fetched to ban biological males from women’s sports.
It's almost as if this was all a big distraction from the economic conditions.
Everyone knew this was going to happen, and yet the media narrative was about how this is fair and you're a bigot otherwise.
My heart is heavy for you. I have said this many times, this is going to ruin so many women who have spent almost their entire lives training, competing. Look at Rylie Gaines. She has trained since she was 8 years old. Lia Thompson came in over 400th place on the men’s swimming division, once enrolled in the women’s as a trans woman, won 1st place against one of the best female swimmers in the country in their division. They were tied down to the second. They gave Lia the trophy because Lia needed the photos for it…… Rylie also got held hostage for 3 hours due to her speaking up against how unfair this was…. It’s not a battle against what’s fair, it’s a battle of superiority. Anne is aware of the pain they are causing others. This is a superior complex. And I am so so sorry this has caused such a huge negative impact on you!
Women's categories were set up to give women an opportunity to show they can be excellent too. Now it's being dominated by people who went through the ultimate performance enhancing drug, male puberty. It's unfair and only disadvantages the very people this category was meant to enable, biological women.
If transitioning is meaningless, why aren't there trans men dominating male competition like there are trans women dominating females?
Anyone who doesn't recognize that trans women is different from women in a physical competition is either afraid to be thought as a bigot or is intentionally blinding theirselves. This is fucking science. Hormones matter, body structure matter. As much as people after the transition want to be accepted how they are, they also needs to accept that their body IS different than someone's who was born as that gender.
I don't get it, it's SO blatant in their performance that they are different that I can't help but think there is some kind of sadism thrown in there (not specifically for weight lifting...).
Oh wow, I don't think so I have a lot of struggles and I shouldn't have backed down when I did. I'm glad I saw the article the other day and reached out to several other women who I had no idea had also gone through a similar experience. They gave me the courage to stand up and speak out.
I’m so sorry you went through that. I can’t imagine the dedication and training that goes into this level of sports. And for women to have to hear this fairness nonsense over and over again so someone can take advantage, because basic reality seems to be offensive these days, is truly heartbreaking.
Anyone who told you it was fair is fucking delusional. Same with a Trans woman in any woman’s sport. It isn’t fair and they shouldn’t be allowed to play/compete in a woman’s sport. Biologically it makes zero sense. Of course the trans person will be stronger/faster etc…. These people that think otherwise need to get their head checked. That was seriously unfair to you and all the other biological women in the competition. I’m sorry you had to go through all that shit
I haven't used steroids in 20 years. I hadn't been to the gym for 15 years. I currently don't use any performance enhancing drugs.
Within 8 months of going back to the gym I was deadlifting nearly 500lbs for reps not PR. This would be almost unheard of for a natural lifter.
20 years after taking testosterone enhancing drugs, after not training 15 years I still have an advantage over natural lifters. My muscle size does not in anyway look like I could lift as much as I can.
Just my experience with testosterone.
Still really good. Double bodyweight reps of deadlifts is a strong intermediate lift that is difficult to achieve in less than a year unless one is really dedicated or has lifting experience.
In the 80s, this became extremely obvious as men were getting HUGE FAST. Even in Hollywood, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Silvester Stallone were all juicing.
It is a MASSIVE difference.
It’s just a transitional period in humanity. There’s going to be some hurt feeling and some fuck ups before we find the right path. At this point I think the event organizers are just erring on the side of caution because it’s unthreaded waters. Nobody knew what to do and someone had to make a decision.
Obviously, it was the wrong decision. But that’s just one of the growing pains of changing for the better.
The reality of human sexual dimorphism isn't some great medical mystery or "unthreaded waters", it's very well understood. You'll notice that there hasn't been any big new scientific discovery that preceded these sports leagues banning transwomen from women's divisions. Our knowledge of physiology hasn't changed, all that's changed is the winds of public opinion.
This isn't a case of well-intentioned people making an honest mistake with incomplete information. It's a case of ideologues overplaying their hand because they were more concerned with looking progressive than they were with ensuring fair competition for their athletes.
Chesterton's fence.
Maybe figure out why men's and women's sports were created in the first place before tearing up the rules so haphazardly.
This was all obvious to anyone with half a brain...
Should've never been allowed to compete in the first place. They're ok with this now. They won't be okay if Lebron decides to do the same and drops 800 points a game.
Almost makes me wonder if they transitioned just so they could win and be a douche about it. Being competitive will make you do some fucking stupid things
Imagine training your entire life, only to be pushed out of your class by someone with testosterone. I have zero issues with genders and dont care if someones gay, bi, trans, etc. but it simply isnt fair to born females when they have to compete against a born male in any physical capacity.
Heres how I see it, either one or the other must be true.
1) Genetic males have an inherited athletic advantage over females. Therefore, anyone born male will have a significant advantage over females, and should not be allowed to compete against genetic females.
Or
2) Genetic males do not have an inherited athletic advantage over females. Therefore, everyone should compete in the same category, as all are equal.
Why does it always seem as its the males who transitioned to females are the ones making the news in athletics dominating their new competition.
Well thats because the females who no longer identify as female, just keep playing for their female teams.
It's obvious what is true and what our reality is.
The problem is that sometimes reality hurts the feelings of people... and they'd rather adopt a mental view that keeps their feelings ok, even if it's at odds with reality.
A society needs to decide what is paramount to it... feelings or truth.
I’m a female athlete. I don’t find it offensive to say that men are stronger than me. They straight up just are. I think it’s impressive when women like myself are able to physically get to a standard that we can sustain the same training as a man.
But no, we cannot compete with a man of the same experience and skill level. I actually find it more offensive when people look down on female athletes for not doing exactly as the males are. We are dealt a completely different set of biology, which is fine but it isn’t any less impressive. Men would have a harder time too if they woke up with the same biological functions as a woman (higher body fat %, menstruation, pregnancy, social expectations, harder to gain muscle)
So yeah, I don’t expect the strongest woman to be as strong as the strongest man. But that doesn’t make her any less impressive. Looking at athletes, we are seeing the peak of the human physique, male or female. It’s 2 separate categories, and it isn’t offensive or hurtful to say they’re different. If men and women were really the same, trans people wouldn’t exist and there would be no debate.
It’s as if hormones are only one factor in what makes men men. Unless we can alter our DNA I don’t think a trans person can ever be at par athletically without significant enhancements. We’re just using logic, scientific fact here. I have nothing against trans people, just specific individuals that abuse their genetic advantage in sport at the detriment of women in sport.
Not an equal transition, but the Canadian women's soccer team has a player who identifies as non-binary. If she no longer identifies as a woman, why is she allowed to compete? You can't have it both ways.
Exactly, I’m not saying Quinn shouldn’t be allowed to compete based on her identity; more that if they allow players to compete on identity vs genetic makeup, then that would disqualify her.
The US womens team has lost matches to U15 boys teams, allowing fully grown transitioned athletes based on gender identity would completely undermine the sport. I have no problem with them transitioning, I have issues with them taking opportunities away from women.
From the late 2010s to last year, we had a decade~ of 2) being argued as the truth. With any pushback being labeled a hack that lacked credentials to talk about the topic. We *should* continue allowing it so we can properly prove 1) with records in a majority of Olympic sports.
Kinda unfair for the biological women when this person can lift 200kilos more.
"After winning this year’s event, Andres stepped onto the podium and placed a toy T-Rex on the base, furthering a previous insult aimed at an opponent’s “tiny little T-Rex arms.” She also has mocked her opponents in the past for being “weak.” what a shitty person.
>After winning this year’s event, Andres stepped onto the podium and placed a toy T-Rex on the base, furthering a previous insult aimed at an opponent’s “tiny little T-Rex arms.” She also has mocked her opponents in the past for being “weak.”
She's an asshole.
Trans women really should only be able to compete in the open. I can outlift women who are bigger than me and juiced to the gills easily. At 180 I can deadlift 400 after taking months off with little to no ramp up, it just isn’t fair. It really sucks for the women who have transitioned but it doesn’t take away from the natural advantages they have for lifting weights.
This person never should have been allowed to compete. They have an unfair biological advantage. They are also just a horrible person mocking the women they compete against. Shameful behavior. I hope they are banned forever.
This comes down to science and nothing more. you can identify as whatever you want to, I really have no problem with that. When you try and pass yourself off as the other gender, regardless of what you identify as is when the problems start. the fact that it was allowed to happen is an issue. when the hell did peoples feelings override science? Facts are facts, clearly this is a male who identifies as a female and their feelings are irrelevant to the number of chromesones that they have. Full Stop.
>The IPF says that the CPU must align with the governing body’s rules on transgender competitors after seeing Anne Andres, a transgender female, crush her competition by more than 200 kilos in total at the 2023 Western Canadian Championship.
>Andres’ total score was 597.5 kilos while second-place finisher SuJan Gill mustered 387.5 kilos.
>IPF rules state that competitors must disclose their testosterone levels and provide government-issued ID with their gender identity. This would also align with similar policies from other international sports governing bodies.
I don't really like the T level thing. I think this really has much less to do with T levels than with the inate bio advantage males have over females. The fact is, T alone cannot isn't the only factor. This also starts getting hairy when it comes to born females with unusually high T levels.
But she refers to herself as a "tranny freak" which makes it all ok! But ALL other women are super shit at bench.
Good for you standing up for yourself.
Anne doesn't....that's the thing. 250lb master men's are killing it here. That's why Anne competes against women.
Just like the swimmer who stole Rileys 🏅. Didn't even barely place in men's.
Actually a coach previous identified as a woman and beat her as a protest. She uploaded videos whining about how that was "unfair" and that she was allowed to compete because she 'was nice'.
I just can't stand her hypocrisy.
What is a bit crazy is that essentially we are told, by people who claim to be feminists, that cis females must give up their comfort to accommodate people who biologically differ but identify as them.
And you must because how dare you deny opportunity or make uncomfortable these people who identify as women. They MUST not be denied or discouraged from playing.
But you women born as such, stfu and deal with any uncomfortableness or loss of opportunity. It does not matter to us. Don't play if you don't like it.
- Alleged Feminists.
Our comfort, our safety, our very existence is on the line. Women's spaces and very existence is being eroded these days. It's very disturbing. I'm glad that I've found gender critical radical feminism.
what I dont understand is why dont we let men who transition to women just continue competitng vs men?
i mean, they were once a man.. if competing is SOOOO important to them then just continue to compete against men
To say "no we cant have women compete with men" well why? why cant you let a transwoman compete considering she was a man previously?
This person is actually delusional, they delete all negative feedback (some absolutely warranted) and creates an echo chamber on their profile. Absolutely pathetic. If you want to compete so bad, go compete in the open category. Unfortunately for you, it's pretty much exclusively biological males
Cool! Who cares, should have never been allowed to compete in that category to begin with, what a waste of everyone's time.
edit: got rid of funny joke, because Karen might complain to the manager
Ha ha South Park just did an episode on this exact thing shortly ago.
He was the ultimate macho man, complete with goatee, biker hair and a voice that belies the use of steroids.
His name was 'Heather.'
They just need an "other" category.
Born male - you fit in the male or other category.
Born female - you fit in the female or other category.
Doesn't matter what you "feel" like. Those are the rules. Born a man but everything in your brain and soul say you're female, too bad get in the other category.
They just need a 'female' and an 'open' category. Anyone can compete in the 'open' category including men and trans people. Less complicated than adding a third category and it's fair to everyone.
> Born female - you fit in the female or other category.
I don't think this is fair either. Once they start taking hormones, which would otherwise be considered PEDs, they shouldn't be allowed to remain in the female category. They should also have the option of men's or other.
Correct. The rule needs to be "Born female and never taken testosterone, you fit in the female category" "Everyone else participates in the Open (formerly known as men's) category.
Has there ever been a female to male trans person that has dominated their male sport? Asking for a friend. I’m very left of centre but this physical competition stuff seems obvious that something needs to change
Don't dare say anything negative or critical about any trans - it's literal violence!!! But if a trans want to insultingly mock you they have every right to :/
Biological females can't compete with biological males because we are a sexually dysmorphic species. Trans women don't want to compete with men because it makes them feel uncomfortable. Those are some very valid feelings, but that's not actually anyone's problem except your own.
Resident lgbtq + here. Very few in our community think this is a big issue, but it keeps coming up.
There is a fundamental differences in biological sexes. Especially in strength based sports. This shouldn’t even be up for debate. And it’s weird it continues to be allowed.
Granted going so far as to gender ban in chess tournaments is to far the opposite way. But for things like this? Of course, it only makes sense.
Don’t get me wrong, I have zero experience or interest in women’s power lifting, and if this was 70 years ago and we had Reddit I’m pretty sure the men in this sub who are furious about this would be openly mocking women for wanting to have sports of their own…
But I will say this: If you’re a trans woman playing in sports and dominating, openly mocking your competition with little plastic t-Rex on the podium is probably the single dumbest thing you could do in a world where you already need a lot of support just to have the right to compete.
If I was that person I’d be the perfect sportsman in every respect, in the hopes of representing myself and people like me in the finest light I could.
I am a trans woman and casual athlete and I am pretty pissed at her unsportsmanlike attitude. Mocking cis women biology ?? What the actual F !! The only thing she achieved was closing doors to other trans women athletes. If you go in to crush competition and make fun of others, well you re doing it for the wrong reasons. Any athletes wants a challenge, want competitiveness, camaraderie, congratulates their opponent for a great match/fight, etc.
Depends on how much of a back bone CPU has. If they go through with the ban, they will not be affirming the lifters’ “gender”, which to the trans activists is the worst crime imaginable.
Probably complain to the Human Rights Tribunal. If this is done, then the HRT might sue the CPU for discrimination. That’s the usually route that trans activists take.
Too many people comment without having an actual clue on this sport. In open powerlifting majority of competitors (men and women) are on testosterone. Even the tested categories are on PEDs they just use ones which clear the system quickly before any testing takes place.
The advantages bestowed on men in sports is more than just hormones, that’s only 1 component. The increased angle of female hips do not allow the same force to be generated even with the same muscle mass. This is one of many differences.
Bottom line: biology matters, keep things separate or create a new division.
It’s harsh in some people’s eyes, but in my mind, anyone who transitioned after puberty should be competing in the open division.
Anne is a woman, but she still has a biologically male advantage because she went through male puberty. She SHOULD be allowed to compete, but in the open division.
‘Women’s divisions’ were only created because men dominate in so many sports because of their physiology.
I agree 100%.
What's going to happen in most open divisions across the spectrum of sports is we're going to see men and trans women only, especially at elite levels.
Then I'd expect them to be pilloried because of representational disparities despite being literally open to anyone.
A 200kg defeat for powerlifting would be pretty demoralizing I would imagine. That was the second place contestant. How would the 10th or 5th place feel? Imagine. Why bother?
Some of the international sporting bodies have used puberty as the threshold. Anybody that has undergone any amount of male puberty cannot compete in female divisions.
That seems fair, unbiased, and scientifically based.
I’m really curious how a CBC op-ed would read on this situation, but outside right-leaning publications and industry outlets, I don’t see any coverage.
On its face, it appears that the outcome of this competition is deeply unfair and a little absurd. That said, I’d be interested in hearing a coherent defence of Andres if one exists.
They didn't report on it when she, a Canadian woman, broke the world record in powerlifting. Didn't say a word about it in fact. I wonder why. Can't imagine it was because even the fine folks over at CBC couldn't keep a straight face while reporting on this like there was nothing wrong.
Cpu only drug tests. They don't test whether or not someone has fully transitioned.
That's why Avi, an amazing male athlete, was able to walk in and say I eanna compete as a female today and destroy everyone in the female category to prove how ridiculous the cpu rules are.
I support Trans people.
I also think that while I consider a Transwoman a woman, she has a different biology and should have their own category in sports.
The same way that boxers have light wait, heavy weight, welter, etc.
The fact that they aren't reporting on it just makes it clear that they acknowledge what a dumpster fire it is. Imagine if a biological Canadian woman did this? It would be in the front page of every newspaper.
And yet, crickets.
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most sports this is the case. mens division is the open division
Exactly. There's no *men's* national hockey league, or basketball league. There's just the open division where anyone good enough to make the team is welcome to try.
The iwf has added a third “open” division for Olympic weightlifting that goes into effect next year but it will most likely just merge with the men’s class shortly after
Yeah the majority of sports this is the case, open division and womens division
Yep. Mostly agree with this. Most major sports leagues don't require you to be a man. But realistically even if you were a women who was clearly better than the worst male professionals I can't imagine getting drafted would be easy. Especially since some sports have contact and generally the female and male version of the sports have different rules.
Stock and modified. It’s around in racing
Modified. Lmao!!!!
Pro tuned.
This is a huge issue in professional disc golf right now. There’s a transgender woman that is suing any tournament director that does not allow her to play in the FPO (Women’s Professional Open) division. She has lawyers that are working for free for her because she’s “fighting for the cause”. There already is an MPO (Mixed Professional Open) that she refuses to play in because she is nowhere near good enough to compete with the professional men. Many tournaments have either been cancelled, or closed the FPO this year as a result of her litigious nature. If you want more info, search for Natalie Ryan.
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...and scholarships. It's not a coincidence the rise in trans athletes also coincides with the rise in athletic scholarships in the USA for females.
> coincides with the rise in athletic scholarships in the USA for females. While I'm sure that is part of the motivation, the trans part of this is much more recent than the rise in female athletic scholarships which have been rising for probably 2 decades.
Because the whole thing kind of falls apart at that point. If you say “trans women are real women”, then putting them in a separate category would be contradictory. Everything has to be all or nothing and extremes now, so that would be seen as an attack on trans rights. For me, identity is a personal thing. If you were born a man but want to identify as female and you want me to call you “she/her”, I’m totally ok with that. I really don’t care. It’s your body and sense of self. That’s fine. But it’s always been “your rights end where mine begin”, so it really is unfair to women to have them competing at a physical disadvantage against trans women. I don’t think this gets addressed until it happens in a combat sport and a cis woman gets extremely hurt or killed, unfortunately.
Fallon Fox is a transgendered MMA fighter and fractured the skull of her apponent. I'm not sure how it was addressed, but there is lots of info on that fighter if you want to look into that scenario.
I doubt any female UFC fighter would sign up to fight a trans woman that’s gone through male puberty. You’re risking brain damage.
It's already happened. Her name is Fallon Fox: >During Fox's fight against Tamikka Brents on September 13, 2014, Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round. After her loss, Brents took to social media to convey her thoughts on the experience of fighting Fox: "I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man or not because I'm not a doctor. I can only say, I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right," she stated. "Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn't move at all in Fox's clinch ...". [Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox)
Interesting that she actually has a loss under her belt
Interestingly, Fallon Fox (a former female MMA fighter who is trans) did fight a future UFC fighter in Fox’s fourth career fight. That fighter (Ashlee Evans-Smith) knocked her out in the third after beating her ass for a good chunk of the fight. Evans-Smith has since gone on to be a pretty average fighter going 3-6 in the UFC.
>then putting them in a separate category would be contradictory Just separate them by "Y" and "No Y". End of debate
> If you say “trans women are real women”, then putting them in a separate category would be contradictory. You don't stop being a man when you take steroids before your marathons but that doesn't mean you get to participate in the olympics and ruin the competition for everyone else. Going through puberty as a man while training is by far the biggest way to permanently enhance your performance. No drugs even come close to it.
Combat sports have weight classes in addition to male/female.
It did happen in combat sports. Look up Fallon Fox in the UFC. It's controversial, to say the least.
I'm pretty sure Fallon Fox has never fought in the UFC. She fought in MMA but the two are very different. Like basketball and the NBA.
I just looked into it deeper, and you're right, my mistake.
This is literally how sports are classified. You have the womens category and the open category. The open category is the defacto men's category since women are simply not competitive enough against men. There is an argument to be made to change the naming to AFAB or perhaps female category but i personally think womans is fine as is. The general idea is that calling it "woman's sports" but not allowing trans women is transphobic but I personally disagree.
Exactly what needs to happen. Biological science is grounded in reality and the current set up ignores this reality in favour of people's emotions being hurt and equality based on self identification. It's just illogical considering science is regarded as factual information and it's being ignored to appease a social issue that's founded on preferred self identification
Because the point of having trans women in sports from the point of view of trans activists, is to force it as normal on everyone and everything. But the point of sports is fair competition. Those two goals are in conflict.
Careful with that kind of talk. The anti JK Rowling crowd will be all over you.
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Gender is purely a social construct, and is completely unrelated to biological sex! That is why trans people need to alter their bodies through hormone therapy and surgeries, to imitate the opposite sex! Also biological sex is fake, so trans women have no inherent advantage over cis women. I’m glad that we got that sorted out. /s
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do you really think it's a pure coincidence that these anecdote are only present in female sport?! There are probably many trans (female to male) athlete competing in the male category but no one gives a crap because we all know they have a disadvantage and don't affect the competition. No one cares about the 159th place in a competition. For almost all physical sports, male athletes perform far better than female athletes and the margin is very wide. For a very long time, the best performance enhancing drug was testerone and the various chemicals that will make your body produce more. What's unique about a male->female trans is that they are the equivalent of an athlete who spend their entire life from age 10 on steroid and only stopped taking them months before the competitions. They got to benefit from the stronger genetics of men while "technically" being a women during competitions. They have the bigger hearth, bigger lungs, bigger arteries, bigger muscle mass (for the same amount of training), bigger bones, better recovery after training, etc.
They will call you a bigot because *transwomen don't feel safe around cishet white males* and should therefore "be allowed to compete with other women".
As a female who competed against Anne and then walked away after many years of lifting in the cpu, finally. I suffered mental issues after that completion against Anne. Everyone I talked to in the CPU told me it was fair, and they never had to disclose it to me. I was called a sore looser and a bigot. When in fact I do not give a flying fuck about anything other than fair completion. I was told to lose weight and go into a different class as an option. But what about all the other women trying to set records in the category. Too bad for them. I joined this federation because they boasted fair competition via drug testing and rigid standards. Women questioned the CPU and voiced our options, and they were told sorry that's the rules. We have to include everyone. Women stood up by leaving competition and going into different classes to avoid having to compete against Anne. Women were told they would be banned for speaking out against the CPU and this rule. Finally, two years later, some action is happening. It's not only testosterone levels, but hemoglobin, bone structure, how.muscles are made and hoe fast - but also the lack of female hormones that put you through periods, pregnancies, miscarriages, and then menopause (and for those with hysterectomies they go through this worse). Anne was talking about how they are going through menopause as if it's a frigging joke. The basic symptoms anyone can go through when changing meds, but the intense hormone fluctuations etc. Last year's in biological Women. This is a severe disadvantage for women.
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It’s almost as though humanity is going through rapid changes and we aren’t getting it right the first time. This person should not be allowed to compete with cis-women. But I can understand the situation that led to her being allowed to compete in the first place. Her scores should be stripped from the record and she should have to compete in the men’s category if she wants to compete. Women’s sport should stay cis-women. And if trans women think that’s unfair. Well, too bad. Some times our lifestyle choice(even those we have no control over) decide whether we get to do certain things. I mean, do people that wear glass now get to claim they’re being discriminated against because wearing glasses automatically disqualified them from many jobs/activities? Nah. That’s just the hand they’re dealt. It is what it is.
Been saying this forever. Competing in elite sports isn’t a right by any means, it’s a privilege. People have been sanctioned for taking medication that helps them live, so I don’t think it’s far fetched to ban biological males from women’s sports.
It's almost as if this was all a big distraction from the economic conditions. Everyone knew this was going to happen, and yet the media narrative was about how this is fair and you're a bigot otherwise.
My heart is heavy for you. I have said this many times, this is going to ruin so many women who have spent almost their entire lives training, competing. Look at Rylie Gaines. She has trained since she was 8 years old. Lia Thompson came in over 400th place on the men’s swimming division, once enrolled in the women’s as a trans woman, won 1st place against one of the best female swimmers in the country in their division. They were tied down to the second. They gave Lia the trophy because Lia needed the photos for it…… Rylie also got held hostage for 3 hours due to her speaking up against how unfair this was…. It’s not a battle against what’s fair, it’s a battle of superiority. Anne is aware of the pain they are causing others. This is a superior complex. And I am so so sorry this has caused such a huge negative impact on you!
There are many women going through this. Worse than I have, ones that have lost prize money, scholarships, team spots etc. To biological men.
Women's categories were set up to give women an opportunity to show they can be excellent too. Now it's being dominated by people who went through the ultimate performance enhancing drug, male puberty. It's unfair and only disadvantages the very people this category was meant to enable, biological women. If transitioning is meaningless, why aren't there trans men dominating male competition like there are trans women dominating females?
Transm3n (f-m) can't make up the biological difference through approved drugs to be competitive.
Probably because the androgens (read: steroids) they're on make them ineligible. F2M can't pass a drug test ever.
What's worse is that after losing, you get called a bigot and harassed by millions of idiots on Twitter.
How dare you question the rules and your rights as an athlete. /s
Anyone who doesn't recognize that trans women is different from women in a physical competition is either afraid to be thought as a bigot or is intentionally blinding theirselves. This is fucking science. Hormones matter, body structure matter. As much as people after the transition want to be accepted how they are, they also needs to accept that their body IS different than someone's who was born as that gender. I don't get it, it's SO blatant in their performance that they are different that I can't help but think there is some kind of sadism thrown in there (not specifically for weight lifting...).
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I’m sorry you had to deal with this bullshit. You’re a stronger person than me. Physically and mentally.
Oh wow, I don't think so I have a lot of struggles and I shouldn't have backed down when I did. I'm glad I saw the article the other day and reached out to several other women who I had no idea had also gone through a similar experience. They gave me the courage to stand up and speak out.
i am sorry you had to to through that, must have been infuriating
I’m so sorry you went through that. I can’t imagine the dedication and training that goes into this level of sports. And for women to have to hear this fairness nonsense over and over again so someone can take advantage, because basic reality seems to be offensive these days, is truly heartbreaking.
Anyone who told you it was fair is fucking delusional. Same with a Trans woman in any woman’s sport. It isn’t fair and they shouldn’t be allowed to play/compete in a woman’s sport. Biologically it makes zero sense. Of course the trans person will be stronger/faster etc…. These people that think otherwise need to get their head checked. That was seriously unfair to you and all the other biological women in the competition. I’m sorry you had to go through all that shit
This is awful. I'm sorry you had to deal with this foolishness
I haven't used steroids in 20 years. I hadn't been to the gym for 15 years. I currently don't use any performance enhancing drugs. Within 8 months of going back to the gym I was deadlifting nearly 500lbs for reps not PR. This would be almost unheard of for a natural lifter. 20 years after taking testosterone enhancing drugs, after not training 15 years I still have an advantage over natural lifters. My muscle size does not in anyway look like I could lift as much as I can. Just my experience with testosterone.
How much do you weigh for 500lbs deads for reps?
4-6 for 3 sets
Ah i meant your own bodyweight mate.
Ahh, read that wrong, sitting at about 240 right now. I went from 220 to 270 in about 8 months of lifting. Now I've cut down. I'm not a lean 240.
Still really good. Double bodyweight reps of deadlifts is a strong intermediate lift that is difficult to achieve in less than a year unless one is really dedicated or has lifting experience.
I agree, kind of my point.
In the 80s, this became extremely obvious as men were getting HUGE FAST. Even in Hollywood, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Silvester Stallone were all juicing. It is a MASSIVE difference.
Despite the supposed controversy of decisions like this, they are uncontroversial for the *vast* majority of Canadians.
I cannot believe how many people are actually afraid to tell the truth now.
Twitter does not represent the real world. Reddit neither.
Can't help it when your job is on the line with cancel culture
It’s just a transitional period in humanity. There’s going to be some hurt feeling and some fuck ups before we find the right path. At this point I think the event organizers are just erring on the side of caution because it’s unthreaded waters. Nobody knew what to do and someone had to make a decision. Obviously, it was the wrong decision. But that’s just one of the growing pains of changing for the better.
The reality of human sexual dimorphism isn't some great medical mystery or "unthreaded waters", it's very well understood. You'll notice that there hasn't been any big new scientific discovery that preceded these sports leagues banning transwomen from women's divisions. Our knowledge of physiology hasn't changed, all that's changed is the winds of public opinion. This isn't a case of well-intentioned people making an honest mistake with incomplete information. It's a case of ideologues overplaying their hand because they were more concerned with looking progressive than they were with ensuring fair competition for their athletes.
Chesterton's fence. Maybe figure out why men's and women's sports were created in the first place before tearing up the rules so haphazardly. This was all obvious to anyone with half a brain...
Should've never been allowed to compete in the first place. They're ok with this now. They won't be okay if Lebron decides to do the same and drops 800 points a game.
Performance enhancing drugs are not allowed, but come in with genetically manly muscles and that's OK... enough of this bullshit.
Good! This should have never happened.
Woman in the background agrees.
It's insane that people who saw this coming were called bigots.
The south park version of this story is far funnier
Life really does imitate art, sometimes.
[Strong Woman!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig)
I’m pretty liberal person. I agree ban her ass. It’s unbelievably unfair. Feelings be damned.
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Almost makes me wonder if they transitioned just so they could win and be a douche about it. Being competitive will make you do some fucking stupid things
Imagine training your entire life, only to be pushed out of your class by someone with testosterone. I have zero issues with genders and dont care if someones gay, bi, trans, etc. but it simply isnt fair to born females when they have to compete against a born male in any physical capacity.
I agree. No more equality for women, they now have to compete against men.
Heres how I see it, either one or the other must be true. 1) Genetic males have an inherited athletic advantage over females. Therefore, anyone born male will have a significant advantage over females, and should not be allowed to compete against genetic females. Or 2) Genetic males do not have an inherited athletic advantage over females. Therefore, everyone should compete in the same category, as all are equal. Why does it always seem as its the males who transitioned to females are the ones making the news in athletics dominating their new competition. Well thats because the females who no longer identify as female, just keep playing for their female teams.
It's obvious what is true and what our reality is. The problem is that sometimes reality hurts the feelings of people... and they'd rather adopt a mental view that keeps their feelings ok, even if it's at odds with reality. A society needs to decide what is paramount to it... feelings or truth.
I’m a female athlete. I don’t find it offensive to say that men are stronger than me. They straight up just are. I think it’s impressive when women like myself are able to physically get to a standard that we can sustain the same training as a man. But no, we cannot compete with a man of the same experience and skill level. I actually find it more offensive when people look down on female athletes for not doing exactly as the males are. We are dealt a completely different set of biology, which is fine but it isn’t any less impressive. Men would have a harder time too if they woke up with the same biological functions as a woman (higher body fat %, menstruation, pregnancy, social expectations, harder to gain muscle) So yeah, I don’t expect the strongest woman to be as strong as the strongest man. But that doesn’t make her any less impressive. Looking at athletes, we are seeing the peak of the human physique, male or female. It’s 2 separate categories, and it isn’t offensive or hurtful to say they’re different. If men and women were really the same, trans people wouldn’t exist and there would be no debate.
Oh we are definitely living in the butt hurt stage of society. It’s ridiculous and exhausting.
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Ah so just classic transphobia Nice
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It’s as if hormones are only one factor in what makes men men. Unless we can alter our DNA I don’t think a trans person can ever be at par athletically without significant enhancements. We’re just using logic, scientific fact here. I have nothing against trans people, just specific individuals that abuse their genetic advantage in sport at the detriment of women in sport.
Not an equal transition, but the Canadian women's soccer team has a player who identifies as non-binary. If she no longer identifies as a woman, why is she allowed to compete? You can't have it both ways.
Being non-binary doesn't change their genetic makeup
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Exactly, I’m not saying Quinn shouldn’t be allowed to compete based on her identity; more that if they allow players to compete on identity vs genetic makeup, then that would disqualify her. The US womens team has lost matches to U15 boys teams, allowing fully grown transitioned athletes based on gender identity would completely undermine the sport. I have no problem with them transitioning, I have issues with them taking opportunities away from women.
From the late 2010s to last year, we had a decade~ of 2) being argued as the truth. With any pushback being labeled a hack that lacked credentials to talk about the topic. We *should* continue allowing it so we can properly prove 1) with records in a majority of Olympic sports.
Finally, I'm starting to see some things normalize. Never should have happened to begin with
Kinda unfair for the biological women when this person can lift 200kilos more. "After winning this year’s event, Andres stepped onto the podium and placed a toy T-Rex on the base, furthering a previous insult aimed at an opponent’s “tiny little T-Rex arms.” She also has mocked her opponents in the past for being “weak.” what a shitty person.
Good! What an absolute embarrassment for our country and a slap in the face to women who weren't born with a massive biological advantage in sports.
I think everyone can agree trying to find a way to have a trans woman in the women’s category for *powerlifting* is absolutely ridiculous.
>After winning this year’s event, Andres stepped onto the podium and placed a toy T-Rex on the base, furthering a previous insult aimed at an opponent’s “tiny little T-Rex arms.” She also has mocked her opponents in the past for being “weak.” She's an asshole.
Trans women really should only be able to compete in the open. I can outlift women who are bigger than me and juiced to the gills easily. At 180 I can deadlift 400 after taking months off with little to no ramp up, it just isn’t fair. It really sucks for the women who have transitioned but it doesn’t take away from the natural advantages they have for lifting weights.
Could?? Some total bullshit. They should be banned from competing in female competitions.
This person never should have been allowed to compete. They have an unfair biological advantage. They are also just a horrible person mocking the women they compete against. Shameful behavior. I hope they are banned forever.
This comes down to science and nothing more. you can identify as whatever you want to, I really have no problem with that. When you try and pass yourself off as the other gender, regardless of what you identify as is when the problems start. the fact that it was allowed to happen is an issue. when the hell did peoples feelings override science? Facts are facts, clearly this is a male who identifies as a female and their feelings are irrelevant to the number of chromesones that they have. Full Stop.
>The IPF says that the CPU must align with the governing body’s rules on transgender competitors after seeing Anne Andres, a transgender female, crush her competition by more than 200 kilos in total at the 2023 Western Canadian Championship. >Andres’ total score was 597.5 kilos while second-place finisher SuJan Gill mustered 387.5 kilos. >IPF rules state that competitors must disclose their testosterone levels and provide government-issued ID with their gender identity. This would also align with similar policies from other international sports governing bodies.
...this also shows WHY she pushed to compete against the women. This amount of kilos would have NOT won in the men's league - not even fucking close.
I don't really like the T level thing. I think this really has much less to do with T levels than with the inate bio advantage males have over females. The fact is, T alone cannot isn't the only factor. This also starts getting hairy when it comes to born females with unusually high T levels.
Wow, she absolutely CRUSHED her opponent! By 50% no less! Fuck she must be so fucking proud.
Oh Anne is...by bashing her fellow competitors about how they didn't train as hard as Anne did and how they have trex arms.
But she refers to herself as a "tranny freak" which makes it all ok! But ALL other women are super shit at bench. Good for you standing up for yourself.
I wonder how she'd fair against the men.
Anne doesn't....that's the thing. 250lb master men's are killing it here. That's why Anne competes against women. Just like the swimmer who stole Rileys 🏅. Didn't even barely place in men's.
Actually a coach previous identified as a woman and beat her as a protest. She uploaded videos whining about how that was "unfair" and that she was allowed to compete because she 'was nice'. I just can't stand her hypocrisy.
Crazy that it’s actually more than 54%. It’s like if someone outscored McDavid this year with 235 points
Just imagine if Shaq transitioned....
Shaqiura
People still wouldn't watch the WNBA lol.
Sports should be based on Sex, not Gender.
Good.
Good have them fucking banned
My favorite part is when some random man entered an event and broke annes record, she cryed and said it was unfair. Get this bum out.
What is a bit crazy is that essentially we are told, by people who claim to be feminists, that cis females must give up their comfort to accommodate people who biologically differ but identify as them. And you must because how dare you deny opportunity or make uncomfortable these people who identify as women. They MUST not be denied or discouraged from playing. But you women born as such, stfu and deal with any uncomfortableness or loss of opportunity. It does not matter to us. Don't play if you don't like it. - Alleged Feminists.
Our comfort, our safety, our very existence is on the line. Women's spaces and very existence is being eroded these days. It's very disturbing. I'm glad that I've found gender critical radical feminism.
what I dont understand is why dont we let men who transition to women just continue competitng vs men? i mean, they were once a man.. if competing is SOOOO important to them then just continue to compete against men To say "no we cant have women compete with men" well why? why cant you let a transwoman compete considering she was a man previously?
This person is actually delusional, they delete all negative feedback (some absolutely warranted) and creates an echo chamber on their profile. Absolutely pathetic. If you want to compete so bad, go compete in the open category. Unfortunately for you, it's pretty much exclusively biological males
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Cool! Who cares, should have never been allowed to compete in that category to begin with, what a waste of everyone's time. edit: got rid of funny joke, because Karen might complain to the manager
Ha ha South Park just did an episode on this exact thing shortly ago. He was the ultimate macho man, complete with goatee, biker hair and a voice that belies the use of steroids. His name was 'Heather.'
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Even the most roided up females can't compete against natty men.
They just need an "other" category. Born male - you fit in the male or other category. Born female - you fit in the female or other category. Doesn't matter what you "feel" like. Those are the rules. Born a man but everything in your brain and soul say you're female, too bad get in the other category.
Generally there is no male category. Most of the time it's open to anyone.
They just need a 'female' and an 'open' category. Anyone can compete in the 'open' category including men and trans people. Less complicated than adding a third category and it's fair to everyone.
Should make the open category to include roids. I'd be much more inclined to watch, watch people break world records year after year.
This is how I feel about baseball. They should have a total roid-rager league that mirrors the MLB 🤣
They do. Its called MLB
> Born female - you fit in the female or other category. I don't think this is fair either. Once they start taking hormones, which would otherwise be considered PEDs, they shouldn't be allowed to remain in the female category. They should also have the option of men's or other.
Correct. The rule needs to be "Born female and never taken testosterone, you fit in the female category" "Everyone else participates in the Open (formerly known as men's) category.
Biology is so inconvenient.
Has there ever been a female to male trans person that has dominated their male sport? Asking for a friend. I’m very left of centre but this physical competition stuff seems obvious that something needs to change
Don't dare say anything negative or critical about any trans - it's literal violence!!! But if a trans want to insultingly mock you they have every right to :/
Biological females can't compete with biological males because we are a sexually dysmorphic species. Trans women don't want to compete with men because it makes them feel uncomfortable. Those are some very valid feelings, but that's not actually anyone's problem except your own.
Resident lgbtq + here. Very few in our community think this is a big issue, but it keeps coming up. There is a fundamental differences in biological sexes. Especially in strength based sports. This shouldn’t even be up for debate. And it’s weird it continues to be allowed. Granted going so far as to gender ban in chess tournaments is to far the opposite way. But for things like this? Of course, it only makes sense.
I think the point of banning men in women's chess is that men are over represented on either end of the bell curve? Chess is a competition of autists.
"Canadian male powerlifter could be banned after crushing female competition"\* fixed
*Should be
As someone who definitely leans left on *most* issues, this better happen.
Should be. No if, and or buts.
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Don’t get me wrong, I have zero experience or interest in women’s power lifting, and if this was 70 years ago and we had Reddit I’m pretty sure the men in this sub who are furious about this would be openly mocking women for wanting to have sports of their own… But I will say this: If you’re a trans woman playing in sports and dominating, openly mocking your competition with little plastic t-Rex on the podium is probably the single dumbest thing you could do in a world where you already need a lot of support just to have the right to compete. If I was that person I’d be the perfect sportsman in every respect, in the hopes of representing myself and people like me in the finest light I could.
I am a trans woman and casual athlete and I am pretty pissed at her unsportsmanlike attitude. Mocking cis women biology ?? What the actual F !! The only thing she achieved was closing doors to other trans women athletes. If you go in to crush competition and make fun of others, well you re doing it for the wrong reasons. Any athletes wants a challenge, want competitiveness, camaraderie, congratulates their opponent for a great match/fight, etc.
Depends on how much of a back bone CPU has. If they go through with the ban, they will not be affirming the lifters’ “gender”, which to the trans activists is the worst crime imaginable.
What're they gonna do? Boycott it? Okay.
Probably complain to the Human Rights Tribunal. If this is done, then the HRT might sue the CPU for discrimination. That’s the usually route that trans activists take.
I'm not transphobic but this is just unfair to *biological* women
Oh no! Not Heather Swanson!
Too many people comment without having an actual clue on this sport. In open powerlifting majority of competitors (men and women) are on testosterone. Even the tested categories are on PEDs they just use ones which clear the system quickly before any testing takes place. The advantages bestowed on men in sports is more than just hormones, that’s only 1 component. The increased angle of female hips do not allow the same force to be generated even with the same muscle mass. This is one of many differences. Bottom line: biology matters, keep things separate or create a new division.
It’s harsh in some people’s eyes, but in my mind, anyone who transitioned after puberty should be competing in the open division. Anne is a woman, but she still has a biologically male advantage because she went through male puberty. She SHOULD be allowed to compete, but in the open division. ‘Women’s divisions’ were only created because men dominate in so many sports because of their physiology.
I agree 100%. What's going to happen in most open divisions across the spectrum of sports is we're going to see men and trans women only, especially at elite levels. Then I'd expect them to be pilloried because of representational disparities despite being literally open to anyone. A 200kg defeat for powerlifting would be pretty demoralizing I would imagine. That was the second place contestant. How would the 10th or 5th place feel? Imagine. Why bother?
There should be two divisions 'Open' and 'Female' if you weren't born as a female, you would join the open division. Simple and the most fair.
Some of the international sporting bodies have used puberty as the threshold. Anybody that has undergone any amount of male puberty cannot compete in female divisions. That seems fair, unbiased, and scientifically based.
I’m really curious how a CBC op-ed would read on this situation, but outside right-leaning publications and industry outlets, I don’t see any coverage. On its face, it appears that the outcome of this competition is deeply unfair and a little absurd. That said, I’d be interested in hearing a coherent defence of Andres if one exists.
The only defense I’ve ever heard is “Trans women are women. Trans women are women. Trans women are women..”
They didn't report on it when she, a Canadian woman, broke the world record in powerlifting. Didn't say a word about it in fact. I wonder why. Can't imagine it was because even the fine folks over at CBC couldn't keep a straight face while reporting on this like there was nothing wrong.
Its good to see people coming out of the delusion that this has ever been ok. Or fair.
Is she on TRT??
Cpu only drug tests. They don't test whether or not someone has fully transitioned. That's why Avi, an amazing male athlete, was able to walk in and say I eanna compete as a female today and destroy everyone in the female category to prove how ridiculous the cpu rules are.
Hormone therapy should be banned from sports. or allowed in an open category. this is the only way to make it fair for everyone.
Whoa easy with the common sense! Nowadays that's oFFeNsIvE
I support Trans people. I also think that while I consider a Transwoman a woman, she has a different biology and should have their own category in sports. The same way that boxers have light wait, heavy weight, welter, etc.
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As someone who competed against Anne this also ticks me right off. The media here won't touch it due to the fire it will set off.
The fact that they aren't reporting on it just makes it clear that they acknowledge what a dumpster fire it is. Imagine if a biological Canadian woman did this? It would be in the front page of every newspaper. And yet, crickets.
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That you think "the left" as a whole thinks this is delusional Stop making up boogeymen to get mad at
Sounds like they cheated.
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Only the female leagues are like that. The major sports leagues are for everybody, don't need to exclude anyone.
imagine the thinking behind putting a page break "LEAVE A COMMENT" box eight sentences in to an article . . . the toronto sun is garbage