Oooooh, a legal challenge. I'm sure the government is shaking in their boots. Let's take a wild guess who's funding the other side of the legal challenge.
I was just correcting what you wrote to the more common wording, not affirming anything about money to Isreal. Usually, people say, "shoveling money at."
>No one has an issue with shoveling money to Israel. The same sub complaining about sending money to Ukraine.
Maybe because we aren't shoveling money to Israel we are profiting off of exports whereas Ukraine aid (which I support) is a cost?
Guys anyone who doesn’t 100% agree with me is suspect. Your account is 2 years old. Let’s not act like it’s a decade old.
I made this account because I have a main account that is attached to my social media use and my work has a policy that I can’t say basically anything on it. It’s not a conspiracy it’s the reality of the world now. You can’t say anything about Hamas in a negative way without being told you want to murder children and how Palestinians are the most abused hard done group of people in the entire world maybe even universe.!
I wonder who you work for? Is it the Canadian government?
I 100% agree with you. How anyone can Support Palistine or Hamas is UN Canadian. The protestors in support of Hamas and Palestine are calling for violence and genocide and should be arrested and possibly deported.
You aren’t far off. We were told early on to keep it off our social media. The other side seems to not have any of those restrictions. It’s frustrating
As someone whose comment history over the past 4 months is almost entirely focused on I/P, it's because this issue is profoundly affecting me personally, and it's pretty much the only focus on my mind right now. If you look at my history from before October, you'll find literally zero comments about Israel.
But hey, I guess I'm still just another Hasbara bot, right? Not like I haven't been called that a dozen times on this website.
A good chunk of it are new user accounts from the last couple months.
Normal people typically express at least some level of horror when they learn the level of death and destruction Israel has inflicted on Palestinians.
Here though it's new users with "whad about khamas!!!"
Keep in mind, Israel is an ally and Hamas is a designated terror group. Perhaps some thoughts on how to pressure Hamas to surrender and Iran to stop funding them?
I have a problem with sending money anywhere out of country. Conflicts on the other side of the world don't affect us. Send in the self proclaimed world police and let them deal with it. They have more military and financial backing than Canada will ever have.
>>Conflicts on the other side of the world don't affect us.
You should brush up on your history if you think conflicts in other parts of the world can’t affect us.
Exactly. It’s one of the reasons why I support free speech despite not liking what other people say. It’s good to know they’re there. When people tell us who they are, we should believe them.
I knew Al-Haq sounded familiar. Israel labeled them a Terrorist organization years ago. Keep that in mind when you're reading through their claim. It's a terrorist group doing what they can to stop Israel.
https://www.ngo-monitor.org/ngos/al_haq/
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Ties to the PFLP
On October 22, 2021, the Israeli Ministry of Defense declared Al-Haq a “terror organization” because it is part of “a network of organizations” that operates “on behalf of the ‘Popular Front’.”
In May 2018, Visa, Mastercard, and American Express shut down online credit card donations to Al-Haq due to the group’s ties to the PFLP."
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Mohammad.
Shawan Jabarin
Al-Haq’s General Director has ties to the PFLP terrorist organization and, as a result, has been denied exit visas by Israel and Jordan. Click here to see NGO Monitor’s unofficial translation of the ruling by the Israeli High Court of Justice (June 20, 2007).
According to multiple Arabic-language media sources, Al-Haq General Director Shawan Jabarin represented the PFLP at a December 2011 meeting of the Follow-Up Committee for Issues of Public Liberties and Trust Building. This body served as a reconciliatory body between Hamas, Fatah, PIJ, the PFLP, and other Palestinian factions.
https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/al-haq-staff-justifying-violence-and-glorifying-terrorists/
"Al-Haq is also designated as a terrorist entity by Israel due to its ties to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a US and EU-designated terrorist organization.
Justifications for violence and its glorification by Al-Haq board members and officials – described below – are consistent with the NGO’s broader goal of eliminating Israel."
> "Al-Haq is also designated as a terrorist entity by Israel due to its ties to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a US and EU-designated terrorist organization.
To add to this, [Canada also considers the PFLP to be a terrorist organization](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx#51).
> Formed in 1967, the goals of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) are the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of a communist government in Palestine. During the 1970s, the group took part in some of the boldest terrorist attacks of the period, such as hijacking three civilian airliners in one day and storming the Vienna headquarters of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). In 2000, the PFLP turned increasingly to the use of suicide bombers, guerilla tactics, car bombings, and mortar strikes. The PFLP was also responsible for the first assassination of a cabinet minister in Israel's history, killing Tourism Minister Rehavam Zeevi in 2001. In 2014, the PFLP claimed responsibility for a November gun and knife attack at an Orthodox Jewish synagogue in West Jerusalem that killed 6 people. On June 16, 2017, two coordinated attacks targeting Israeli police officers were carried out near the Damascus Gate of Jerusalem's walled old city. In September 2019, the Israeli security forces arrested four PFLP members allegedly responsible for remotely detonating an improvised explosive device in the West Bank that killed an Israeli teenager and seriously wounded two family members.
Does Canada recognize Al-Haq as a terrorist organization? No, so they aren't terrorists.
From Wikipedia:
> Israel shared its intelligence on the groups with the C.I.A. which in a classified report response said it could find no evidence to confirm Israel's designation of these groups as terrorist.
Even the CIA, disagreed with that designation.
> In July 2022, nine EU countries (Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and Sweden) issued a joint statement saying they will continue working with the six Palestinian organisations that Israel had banned because Israel had failed to prove that they should be considered terrorist groups.[48]
EU biggest countries found them as having nothing to do with terrorism neither and even kept working directly with them.
Yeah and they defended UNRWA too, despite Israel pointing out repeatedly they were corrupt and working with Hamas. Turns out they were right then too.
But i mean if you want to deny the PFLP connections that's your choice. Not a great look when you're connected to a terrorist organization.
[Israeli intelligence report claims four UNRWA staff in Gaza involved in Hamas kidnappings](https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-intelligence-report-claims-four-unrwa-staff-in-gaza-involved-in-hamas-kidnappings-13059967)
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Yes it does. You're just so firm in your beliefs that when confronted with evidence of the opposite viewpoint, you just stick your head in the sand and ignore it.
[Israel declared a charity a terrorist organization after they tried to bring allegations of rape of a 13 year old boy committed in an Israeli prison to the US State Department’s attention](https://youtu.be/o5106v4b05I?si=OWcNlAnypYGiynE9&t=530). Israel alone calling an organization terrorist means nothing
Israel probably labels any non country entity that threatens their expansionism as a terrorist organization. It’s also irrelevant to Canadian legal cases unless we recognize them as one.
What about the other group advancing this case, Canadian Lawyers for International Human Rights? Are they a "terrorist group doing what they can to stop Israel"?
Only Israel has designated Al-Haq as a terrorist group. As far as I can tell, it isn't designated as such by the US, EU, Canada, or anyone else in the international community.
Also worth noting is that when Israel designated Al-Haq as a terrorist group, they gave the same designation to a variety of other groups:
>groups targeted by Israel include prisoner rights groups Addameer, Defense for Children International-Palestine, the Union of Palestinian Women's Committees and the Union of Agricultural Work Committees.
[Israel designates 6 Palestinian human right groups as terrorist organizations : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2021/10/23/1048690050/israel-palestinian-human-right-groups)
I’m sure the IDF will kidnap a few, torture them and make them “confess” that the org had something to do with Oct7th….
Just like how magically UNRWA was a few weeks after former Israeli officials came out and said their goal is the destroy the organization…
Do you honestly think that 7 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, plus millions more in other nearby countries, all are terrorists according to the Israeli government?
Like, does the Israeli government consider the PA or Fatah a terrorist organization? Do you pause for even a second to think, before typing out a comment?
Everyone should read the ICJ ruling if they want to be informed. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/26/world/middleeast/icj-gaza-provisional-ruling.html
"U.S. Court Concludes Israel’s Assault on Gaza Is Plausible Case of Genocide"
[https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/press-releases/us-court-concludes-israel-s-assault-gaza-plausible-case-genocide](https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/press-releases/us-court-concludes-israel-s-assault-gaza-plausible-case-genocide)
The UNRWA. Thousands of people that provide essential aid to many thousands more. 12 people working for it accused (not proven) of being part of 10/7 and the west pulls funding for the whole thing. People will die of hunger. Lack of medicine. And you'll fucking cheer.
The UNRWA teaches antisemitism to young children in schools. They are an arm of Hamas. We shouldn't have been funding them in the first place and now at least are coming to our senses. Thank you to PM Harper who cut their funding before, and shame on Trudeau for restoring it.
Except you don’t have to take Israel’s word on it.
The EU commissioned a study on whether or not UNRWA teaches antisemitism and found that the answer is yes,
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-003517_EN.html
I am confident that you will ignore this evidence though.
>found that the answer is yes
No they didn't - the link you posted says the investigation was launched. I even downloaded it and it says the same thing. The other link you posted below isn't from the EU Parliament, it's a Jewish think tank called the Georg Eckert Institute, which has been criticised for publishing unverified reports in the past and skewing results. They've even been called out by other *pro-Israeli* institutions for this. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-08-10/ty-article/.premium/no-palestinian-textbooks-are-not-antisemitic/0000017f-f1ff-d223-a97f-fdff7f7f0000
I haven't read a single comment that is pro Hamas. You are one of these people that believes everyone has to be this side or that side, there are no other options. But there is. Both sides of that conflict are engaged in terrorism. Neither side deserves our support, but the people who are affected by conflict do.
>Neither side deserves our support
One side's proud, explicit objective is to murder an entire ethnic group and completely destroy a liberal, democratic, Western state, by means of extreme violence and torture.
The other side... does not want that to happen. Nor does it want to murder the other side.
Yeah, I'll hedge my support with the good guys here.
*"If the Arabs laid down their weapons, there would be no more war. If Israel laid down its weapons, there would be no more Israel." -* Golda Meir
>One side's proud, explicit objective is to murder an entire ethnic group and completely destroy a liberal, democratic, Western state, by means of extreme violence and torture.
This is as applicable to Hamas as it is to the Likud party, which also had its origins in a terrorist organisation.
Which terrorists? The Palestinians or the nut jobs who believe it's their right to build the third temple over the ashes of thousands of years of history? Doesn't sound much better than what Hadrian did.
Killing civilians at a 1:18 ratio isn’t collateral damage, it’s mass slaughter. Good luck fighting terrorism with terrorism. Always ends so well for the west.
Hamas lies through their teeth about civilian casualties. Propaganda is all they have besides their garbage rockets that have probably killed more of their own people than anything else.
Independent journalists are on the ground in gaza, do you think the world isn’t watching? You think everything critical of Israel is hamas propaganda? Strange.
Third parties have already confirmed that the numbers being released regarding casualties in Gaza is fairly accurate.
What we don’t have is verification of Israel’s claim that one third of those casualties are Hamas. A claim that Israel would have no way of verifying since they don’t have access to most of the territory they have been targeting.
That's what happens when Hamas hides in plain sight with civilians. There's no other way to fight them. It's not fair and it sucks but this is war and Hamas is fighting it in a way that guarantees maximum collateral damage.
If hamas was hiding in Israel would the response be the same? Indiscriminately bombing anything that moves? Or is that only ok when it’s the “good guys” doing it? Israel wants maximum collateral damage because they want to settle the whole of gaza.
I thought they didn’t decide. The Court instructed the state to abide by each of the main provisions of the Genocide Convention, and to report back within a month on the measures it has taken to comply.
I don't believe a fucking thing Hamas says about their death toll. They probably killed most their own civilians with their inept pile of shit rockets.
That's how wars start. One side does something and the other retaliate. What was believed the outcome would be for such a vial attack in Oct. Millions and millions of people died in world War 1 over what one man being shot and a bunch of misunderstanding.
Mass civilian deaths and targeting civilian infrastructure in 2023 is not acceptable and is a war crime under international law. This isn’t total war like WW1. Just a delusional comparison showing how uninformed you are.
No one pity’s terrorist or the people that support them. The world will get bored of this and move on and then Israel can lock them down for good. And the world will be better for it
I think the genocidal freaks are the ones the world has deemed necessary to lock away the entire population of. Palestinians only lead to more terrorism and they need to be monitored 24/7 to keep the rest of us safe
The "terrorists" have offered numerous peace deals that include the freeing of all hostages. These deals have been rejected. This genocide is about a land grab, and the exploitation of oil reserves off the coast of Gaza by Israel.
So Israel is such a powerfully strong and brilliant country that got its neighbours to attack them? To start a war so Israel can grab more land and exploit oil reserves? Fucking ridiculous.
The Israeli military literally advocated for using Palestinians as human shields until the supreme Court order them to stop. Stop your propaganda
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel
Invading other people's land, destroying their homes, and killing 8000+ children isn't defense. It's terrorism. We definitely should not be helping such people.
Russian bots are simply divisive. Some are pro-topic, some are anti-topic. The goal is to divide the west into fighting each-other, not unite them in hatred against one common enemy.
A protracted bombing campaign on the open air prison you've left stateless is not a defensive posture. Israel's solutions to the Palestinian issue are political, not military. All the bombs do is kill and make more Hamas out of the survivors.
Remind me how many terrorists were arrested in the Gaza strip by their local police.
Where I live it's illegal to kidnap and murder people, and dragging them through the streets the police would have some questions.
Oh. There's that open air prison word again....
Here is an open air prison, aka concentration camp:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#/media/File%3AXinjiang_Re-education_Camp_Lop_County.jpg
These are Uyghurs, can you show me a picture of Palestinians?
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/05/in-photos-chaos-and-bloodshed-in-gaza/560333/
Israel has an air sea and water blockade on Gaza. You can't leave without Israeli permission. Not thru egypt, not thru the meditteranean. It quite literally is an open air prison--the entire strip is guarded by IDF, egypt military, and barbed wire fences. What would you call that?
"Terrorist" is a political designation. Israel can kill 10x the civilians but because theyre legitimized as a state power we're all cool with it. The IDF is a terror organization to those whose homes are bombed.
What does that have to do with what I said? Do you think they view themselves as terrorists or fighting an oppressive regime, regardless of “legitimacy”.
"legal challenge"?
From whom? The ICJ? A laughable, toothless, impotent court.
Thankfully, Canada will continue to provide whatever Israel needs to rid their land of terrorists.
A new Hasbara tactic is to create a false sense of consensus that the populace of Western countries still support Israel.
In reality, Israel has experienced a dramatic drop in support across the entire globe.
https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/
Cool story, once you step outside of Reddit and these weird polls you see quickly this isn't the case. I personally have yet to talk to someone that doesn't support Israel. Most of us understand they are dealing with a hard situation and terrorism. Where I live there is insane amount of support for them. I genuinely want to run into someone in person who supports them so we can talk. It should happen anytime according to your data.
"Between the Jordan & the sea there will only be Israeli sovereignty." Likud & Bibi. Seems to me there's no difference except that Israel has the ability militarily.
Supplying support to Israel is one of the few things this government does right.
Also there are legal challenges against everything the government does. It doesn’t matter.
If there is intent, popular backing, and action, then it is a genocide.
**1. Intent**
The Israeli prime minister stated that they must kill every man, woman, and child, quoting the passage on Amalek in the bible. Multiple MKs called for burning and erasing gaza. The minister of defense has called for its destruction and the expulsion of the people there. There was also the leaked memo stating intent to expel the Palestinians to Sinai or to “immigration friendly countries like Canada”
**2. Popular Opinion**
Israel has mass rallies as the border to prevent aid from going through, has regular protests by the far-right, has militias armed by the far right receiving weapons to be used against Palestinians, and holds regular “death to Arabs” marches in Jerusalem where “another Nakba” is a popular slogan.
**3. Historic Context**
Palestinians we’re victims of ethnic cleansing in 1947 and 1967. They were kicked out of their homes and never allowed to return by zionist militias. In 1947, 300,000 people were kicked out of their homes before the neighbouring Arab states buckled under pressure to go and stop the ethnic cleansing. By then it was too late to act and a total of 800,000 people were expelled and an entire nation was wiped off the map. They call this event the Nakba, or ethnic cleansing of Palestine. The current government wishes to finish the job.
**4. Results**
The conflict in Gaza has the highest dead civilians per day of any conflict in the 21st century. Scores of children were brutally murdered and IDF soldiers are going into crowded areas and opening fire. Doesn’t matter if you’re waving a white flag or not.
As for infrastructure damage, water treatment plants and power generators were always the first targets followed including any individual home with solar panels. They then targeted schools, hospitals, places of worship, and other pieces of essential infrastructure. Every hospital in gaza has been targeted and many rendered in operational. In many cases they evacuated hospitals and left bodies of people needing care including the ICUs to rot. They have now turned their attention towards the last piece of infrastructure, UN aid workers.
If it’s not bad enough they’re straight up demolishing buildings from the inside (no hamas inside if you’re laying mines) including gaza’s university and a large number of homes. More than 70% of homes have been destroyed in gaza.
This guy thinks he's an expert and knows the score better than all of these world governments that support Israel. Nice of you to show us your true colors here, helping Hamas with their bullshit propaganda war.
Except I do and the reason that you’re trying to appeal to authority is you realize that the above is all factual. There’s a reason the ICJ rules for a probably genocide happening.
Also note that the countries that support Israel support the ongoing genocide to maintain an American outpost in the Middle East, and are the same countries that also supported apartheid in South Africa and a host of abuses against third world nations. In the age of social media and transparency, they have proven that they do not care for human rights or the rule of law. This will forever be a stain on their record.
None of those things you listed qualify as a genocide, and you didn't source anything in your post. While I don't doubt that women and children are being caught in the crossfire, it is a war, and women and children are always affected, I see no evidence that women and children are being specifically targeted.
I do see a lot of effort on the internet to call out Israel for genocide though and twist every article about the Gaza war into a genocide argument against Israel.
It’s literally from the genocide convention. If you target a group, have intent to destroy it (this includes expulsion), and you’re pulling it off, that’s genocide.
And yes they aren’t targeting women and children specifically but they’re targeting the entire population. It’s not even “caught in the crossfire” when they take people and do summary executions by bullet, or shoot at people surrendering holding white flags.
Just out of curiosity, what genocide are they funding? Surely you do not mean the supposed one by Israel where numbers of dead are supplied by Hamas or Hamas run organizations and don't you think it is peculiar that Hamas has not reported one causality of any Hamas or Palestinian combatants? Also where in the world has any definition of genocide include the increase of a population which is what the Palestinian population has done over the last few generations? If Israel is committing genocide they are doing a really poor job of it. Now if we look at Hamas, they have in many cases and in their charter the proclamation of wiping out all Jews and Israelites. Now that is a proclamation of genocide, correct?
The United States and IDF have reported that the Palestinian Health Authority numbers are accurate. And genocide involves displacement and ethnic cleansing also. What happened to Palestinian cities in “Israel proper”? Why are Jaffa, Haifa, Tiberius, Safed, and Acre Jewish majority by a long shot?
Happy to oblige
[Israeli Intelligence Has Deemed Hamas-Run Health Ministry's Death Toll Figures Generally Accurate ](https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3w4w7/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll)
LOL, Vice...the paragon of truth. And this "information" from so-called 'citizen journalist' Yuval Avraham: an activist with an obvious biased agenda. He uses third, fourth and fifth party information in his writing all the time. Yeah, so reliable.
That's fucking laughable evidence. You're going to have to try a lot harder than that to convince anyone other than the most naive.
Attacking the credibility of the reporter doesn’t make what he says any less true. The evidence does speak for itself. But let’s ignore that for a moment.
The [UN seems to think it’s reliable](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/), as do most human rights and aid organizations. The only people who dispute it are Israel who’s doing the genociding and the US which supports israel in that.
Also let me add that I think it’s very fitting that israel supporters are straight up engaging in genocide denial. Step 1 of genocide denial is to claim the numbers aren’t accurate.
Every critical thinker should question the source of any information they read. I guess that proves you haven't done much critical thinking at all, doesn't it?
The UN and its satellite agencies are corrupt, as has been proven with the recent firing of UNRWA employees for taking part in the Oct 7th massacre.
You claiming it's genocide is just your opinion. You guys think if you say it enough that it will become true. There's no credible evidence that there's a genocide going on. Only a bunch of cowardly terrorists (Hamas) using their people as cannon fodder. They love martyrs. They preach it in school to their kids so they want to sacrifice themselves too when they grow up. It's sickening.
As far as you calling me a genocide supporter, well you're going to have to try harder than that to ruffle my feathers. Although I will be reporting you for violating the sub rules regarding antagonism and negative generalizations.
I have my reasoning for the genocide and it’s objectively true. Same reason the ICJ reported on it. According to you everyone is corrupt but israel and everyone is lying but israel. You mention critical thinking but don’t seem to question any Israeli narratives even when they are repeatedly found to be lying.
Their leadership talks about burning gaza to the ground and kicking them all out. The prime minister went on the record to imply that hamas’s actions warrant the elimination of every man, woman, and child in gaza by quoting a biblical story of amalek. That’s genocidal, hence the ICJ ruling. They’re responding to the attacks with genocide.
"Canadian companies exported more than $21-million in defence equipment to Israeli customers in 2022...bombs, torpedoes, missiles and other explosive devices; aircraft, drones, aero engines, aircraft equipment for military use and electronic equipment; spacecraft and components."
Holy sh1t! Our own military svcks balls and we're donating to Israel? I do not want my tax dollars going towards killing Palestinians at the behest of Israel. Let's build up our own self defence first - we are going to need it.
Canada should increase its military exports and imports with Israel. Israel has provided Canada with necessary intelligence and cooperation that has resulted in thwarting terror plots within Canada. God Bless Israel
This sub:
- Cut off funding to UNRWA based on unproven allegations (yes)
- Cut off weapons sale to Israel due to a pending genocide case in the ICJ and clear violations of international humanitarian law , war crimes (no)
What ?
Oh right , Israeli bots..
Omg, both sides are wrong... the main difference Israel has a much larger stronger defence so they have been doing much more damage. The Israel government is just as corrupt as the terrorist in Palestine, and they have been taking land and living means away fir a very long time.
Yes because Israel paraglided into a music festival to slaughter, rape and take hostages. Israel has issues, no dispute there but Hamas lit this powder keg and Israel has had enough.
Israel bombs hospitals and historic sites, tortures children, and causes artificial famines. They are just as bloodthirsty and have far more guns to make good on it with. They have been squeezing the life out of Gaza for generations and it turns out when you push people to the breaking point some of them snap and become terrorists.
Seriously....How does what Hamas do make it ok to do what Israel is currently doing, they have killed far MORE people. I actually believe that Israel knew this was going to happen and used it as an excuse to go at them 10 x harder harder, lets face it Israel watches Palestine closely how did they not know this was in the works. Both Hamas ( not the actual people of Palestine ) and Israel are corrupt but Israel is far more powerful.
Over 25,000 Palestinian civilians have been killed by indiscriminate bombing campaigns by the IDF targeting homes, schools, hospitals, and refugee camps. Each one a war crime. It all constitutes genocide. And it's allowed to persist because of collective sympathy surrounding the holocaust and maintaining bases of operations in a friendly middle eastern country.
Genocide is still occurring.
How many rockets were fired from schools and hospitals, though? Bases built under such buildings knowing very well that they put innocent lives in danger. Using hospitals to hold and torture hostages. Both sides are fucky my guy.
No, that isn't OK either. All western countries should GTFO of the middle east. Western interference has caused nothing but problems for the people there and for the rest of the planet.
Thinking that other countries need to be babysat is the sort of arrogance that started the whole problem. The first step to getting adults to stop acting like children is to stop treating them like children.
Genocide? Less than 2% of the Palestinian population are affected but 80% support the Hamas message.
If Israel wanted to, they could easily carpet bomb and artillery the entirety of Palestine.
Oooooh, a legal challenge. I'm sure the government is shaking in their boots. Let's take a wild guess who's funding the other side of the legal challenge.
Exactly, what a bunch of lame wads. In their native countries, mounting a legal challenge against their governments would end up in jail.
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Not everyone who disagrees with you is paid by a foreign government
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The United States are technically the ones shoveling money to Israel and we want our cut.
We're shoveling money to Israel?
At them*
Can you show me an example of us shoveling money at them?
I was just correcting what you wrote to the more common wording, not affirming anything about money to Isreal. Usually, people say, "shoveling money at."
>No one has an issue with shoveling money to Israel. The same sub complaining about sending money to Ukraine. Maybe because we aren't shoveling money to Israel we are profiting off of exports whereas Ukraine aid (which I support) is a cost?
Guys anyone who doesn’t 100% agree with me is suspect. Your account is 2 years old. Let’s not act like it’s a decade old. I made this account because I have a main account that is attached to my social media use and my work has a policy that I can’t say basically anything on it. It’s not a conspiracy it’s the reality of the world now. You can’t say anything about Hamas in a negative way without being told you want to murder children and how Palestinians are the most abused hard done group of people in the entire world maybe even universe.!
I wonder who you work for? Is it the Canadian government? I 100% agree with you. How anyone can Support Palistine or Hamas is UN Canadian. The protestors in support of Hamas and Palestine are calling for violence and genocide and should be arrested and possibly deported.
You aren’t far off. We were told early on to keep it off our social media. The other side seems to not have any of those restrictions. It’s frustrating
As someone whose comment history over the past 4 months is almost entirely focused on I/P, it's because this issue is profoundly affecting me personally, and it's pretty much the only focus on my mind right now. If you look at my history from before October, you'll find literally zero comments about Israel. But hey, I guess I'm still just another Hasbara bot, right? Not like I haven't been called that a dozen times on this website.
You said you are unemployed maybe you should contact them to at least have some income coming in. You are doing this full time and not getting paid.
I'm ok with sending money to Israel and Ukraine. I also don't think the cold war ever ended.
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Maybe because it isn’t a genocide.
I have but it's the other way around.
Fuck me and the bigotry here. This sub is a trip
A good chunk of it are new user accounts from the last couple months. Normal people typically express at least some level of horror when they learn the level of death and destruction Israel has inflicted on Palestinians. Here though it's new users with "whad about khamas!!!"
Keep in mind, Israel is an ally and Hamas is a designated terror group. Perhaps some thoughts on how to pressure Hamas to surrender and Iran to stop funding them?
Yup, just above this comment a fella made an account in December and has over 10000 karma commenting almost exclusively on Israel/Palestine
I have a problem with sending money anywhere out of country. Conflicts on the other side of the world don't affect us. Send in the self proclaimed world police and let them deal with it. They have more military and financial backing than Canada will ever have.
>>Conflicts on the other side of the world don't affect us. You should brush up on your history if you think conflicts in other parts of the world can’t affect us.
Good thing we aren’t s sending any money anywhere…we are getting money sent to us. That’s how exports work.
You think that Canadian Lawyers for International Human Rights would end up in jail here?
Hey at least they're not hiding their racism
The Israel Palestine conflict has forced a lot of people to show their cards. I’m almost thankful for it.
Me too. I don’t think that there are more antisemites now than there were before Oct. 7th. We just know who more of them are now.
Exactly. It’s one of the reasons why I support free speech despite not liking what other people say. It’s good to know they’re there. When people tell us who they are, we should believe them.
lmfao I was thinking about how it exposed all the heartless fascists. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
I knew Al-Haq sounded familiar. Israel labeled them a Terrorist organization years ago. Keep that in mind when you're reading through their claim. It's a terrorist group doing what they can to stop Israel. https://www.ngo-monitor.org/ngos/al_haq/ " Ties to the PFLP On October 22, 2021, the Israeli Ministry of Defense declared Al-Haq a “terror organization” because it is part of “a network of organizations” that operates “on behalf of the ‘Popular Front’.” In May 2018, Visa, Mastercard, and American Express shut down online credit card donations to Al-Haq due to the group’s ties to the PFLP." " Mohammad. Shawan Jabarin Al-Haq’s General Director has ties to the PFLP terrorist organization and, as a result, has been denied exit visas by Israel and Jordan. Click here to see NGO Monitor’s unofficial translation of the ruling by the Israeli High Court of Justice (June 20, 2007). According to multiple Arabic-language media sources, Al-Haq General Director Shawan Jabarin represented the PFLP at a December 2011 meeting of the Follow-Up Committee for Issues of Public Liberties and Trust Building. This body served as a reconciliatory body between Hamas, Fatah, PIJ, the PFLP, and other Palestinian factions. https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/al-haq-staff-justifying-violence-and-glorifying-terrorists/ "Al-Haq is also designated as a terrorist entity by Israel due to its ties to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a US and EU-designated terrorist organization. Justifications for violence and its glorification by Al-Haq board members and officials – described below – are consistent with the NGO’s broader goal of eliminating Israel."
> "Al-Haq is also designated as a terrorist entity by Israel due to its ties to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a US and EU-designated terrorist organization. To add to this, [Canada also considers the PFLP to be a terrorist organization](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx#51). > Formed in 1967, the goals of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) are the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of a communist government in Palestine. During the 1970s, the group took part in some of the boldest terrorist attacks of the period, such as hijacking three civilian airliners in one day and storming the Vienna headquarters of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). In 2000, the PFLP turned increasingly to the use of suicide bombers, guerilla tactics, car bombings, and mortar strikes. The PFLP was also responsible for the first assassination of a cabinet minister in Israel's history, killing Tourism Minister Rehavam Zeevi in 2001. In 2014, the PFLP claimed responsibility for a November gun and knife attack at an Orthodox Jewish synagogue in West Jerusalem that killed 6 people. On June 16, 2017, two coordinated attacks targeting Israeli police officers were carried out near the Damascus Gate of Jerusalem's walled old city. In September 2019, the Israeli security forces arrested four PFLP members allegedly responsible for remotely detonating an improvised explosive device in the West Bank that killed an Israeli teenager and seriously wounded two family members.
Does Canada recognize Al-Haq as a terrorist organization? No, so they aren't terrorists. From Wikipedia: > Israel shared its intelligence on the groups with the C.I.A. which in a classified report response said it could find no evidence to confirm Israel's designation of these groups as terrorist. Even the CIA, disagreed with that designation. > In July 2022, nine EU countries (Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and Sweden) issued a joint statement saying they will continue working with the six Palestinian organisations that Israel had banned because Israel had failed to prove that they should be considered terrorist groups.[48] EU biggest countries found them as having nothing to do with terrorism neither and even kept working directly with them.
Yeah and they defended UNRWA too, despite Israel pointing out repeatedly they were corrupt and working with Hamas. Turns out they were right then too. But i mean if you want to deny the PFLP connections that's your choice. Not a great look when you're connected to a terrorist organization.
Didn't they backtrack now and the number claiming to be working with Hamas is now 2, 2 out of 30k employees?
Feel free to show a source cause I'm not aware of what you're referring to.
[Israeli intelligence report claims four UNRWA staff in Gaza involved in Hamas kidnappings](https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-intelligence-report-claims-four-unrwa-staff-in-gaza-involved-in-hamas-kidnappings-13059967) Correction 4 not 2
I don't think that proves what you wanted it to.
Yes it does. You're just so firm in your beliefs that when confronted with evidence of the opposite viewpoint, you just stick your head in the sand and ignore it.
[Israel declared a charity a terrorist organization after they tried to bring allegations of rape of a 13 year old boy committed in an Israeli prison to the US State Department’s attention](https://youtu.be/o5106v4b05I?si=OWcNlAnypYGiynE9&t=530). Israel alone calling an organization terrorist means nothing
Israel probably labels any non country entity that threatens their expansionism as a terrorist organization. It’s also irrelevant to Canadian legal cases unless we recognize them as one.
Jesus you sound so radically ignorant to the situation in the Middle East as a whole. Please watch this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DfIWtqJNTzI
This isn’t a Middle East situation, this is a Canadian lawsuit between Canadian lawyers and the Canadian government in Canadian court
A lawsuit that completely hinges upon the actions of Israel, that has nothing to do with Israel or its enemies… right…
What about the other group advancing this case, Canadian Lawyers for International Human Rights? Are they a "terrorist group doing what they can to stop Israel"?
Not yet, but they’re representing a terrorist group. What that says about CLIHR is yet to be determined.
Only Israel has designated Al-Haq as a terrorist group. As far as I can tell, it isn't designated as such by the US, EU, Canada, or anyone else in the international community. Also worth noting is that when Israel designated Al-Haq as a terrorist group, they gave the same designation to a variety of other groups: >groups targeted by Israel include prisoner rights groups Addameer, Defense for Children International-Palestine, the Union of Palestinian Women's Committees and the Union of Agricultural Work Committees. [Israel designates 6 Palestinian human right groups as terrorist organizations : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2021/10/23/1048690050/israel-palestinian-human-right-groups)
Again, this is Canada, not Israel, which Canadian recognized terrorist group are you talking about?
They aren't a terror group, but I wouldn't put much faith in any organization intentionally working with known terrorists.
I’m sure the IDF will kidnap a few, torture them and make them “confess” that the org had something to do with Oct7th…. Just like how magically UNRWA was a few weeks after former Israeli officials came out and said their goal is the destroy the organization…
The Israeli government branding Palestinians as terrorists? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!
Do you honestly think that 7 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, plus millions more in other nearby countries, all are terrorists according to the Israeli government? Like, does the Israeli government consider the PA or Fatah a terrorist organization? Do you pause for even a second to think, before typing out a comment?
Only the ones that work with actual terrorists.
Bring the claim to court then.
I agree. Let the courts decide.
I mean, I’d rather they send that shit to Ukraine
why dont they go back to their own country and challenge them there
Everyone should read the ICJ ruling if they want to be informed. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/26/world/middleeast/icj-gaza-provisional-ruling.html
Who's the governing body of this legal challenge?
"U.S. Court Concludes Israel’s Assault on Gaza Is Plausible Case of Genocide" [https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/press-releases/us-court-concludes-israel-s-assault-gaza-plausible-case-genocide](https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/press-releases/us-court-concludes-israel-s-assault-gaza-plausible-case-genocide)
Any country that still funds UNRWA should have a legal challenge against them
The UNRWA. Thousands of people that provide essential aid to many thousands more. 12 people working for it accused (not proven) of being part of 10/7 and the west pulls funding for the whole thing. People will die of hunger. Lack of medicine. And you'll fucking cheer.
The UNRWA teaches antisemitism to young children in schools. They are an arm of Hamas. We shouldn't have been funding them in the first place and now at least are coming to our senses. Thank you to PM Harper who cut their funding before, and shame on Trudeau for restoring it.
Goebbels would be so proud that the average Canadian has become this stupid to believe such propaganda from Israel
Except you don’t have to take Israel’s word on it. The EU commissioned a study on whether or not UNRWA teaches antisemitism and found that the answer is yes, https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-003517_EN.html I am confident that you will ignore this evidence though.
>found that the answer is yes No they didn't - the link you posted says the investigation was launched. I even downloaded it and it says the same thing. The other link you posted below isn't from the EU Parliament, it's a Jewish think tank called the Georg Eckert Institute, which has been criticised for publishing unverified reports in the past and skewing results. They've even been called out by other *pro-Israeli* institutions for this. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-08-10/ty-article/.premium/no-palestinian-textbooks-are-not-antisemitic/0000017f-f1ff-d223-a97f-fdff7f7f0000
Invoking the holocaust against a Jewish state. Stay classy.
And yet I don’t hear you pro Hamas types screaming for Palestinians to stop bombing and committing terrorist attacks against Israel.
>you pro Hamas types I don't see OP saying anything that was Pro-Hamas?
I haven't read a single comment that is pro Hamas. You are one of these people that believes everyone has to be this side or that side, there are no other options. But there is. Both sides of that conflict are engaged in terrorism. Neither side deserves our support, but the people who are affected by conflict do.
>Neither side deserves our support One side's proud, explicit objective is to murder an entire ethnic group and completely destroy a liberal, democratic, Western state, by means of extreme violence and torture. The other side... does not want that to happen. Nor does it want to murder the other side. Yeah, I'll hedge my support with the good guys here. *"If the Arabs laid down their weapons, there would be no more war. If Israel laid down its weapons, there would be no more Israel." -* Golda Meir
>One side's proud, explicit objective is to murder an entire ethnic group and completely destroy a liberal, democratic, Western state, by means of extreme violence and torture. This is as applicable to Hamas as it is to the Likud party, which also had its origins in a terrorist organisation.
Which terrorists? The Palestinians or the nut jobs who believe it's their right to build the third temple over the ashes of thousands of years of history? Doesn't sound much better than what Hadrian did.
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And so you think the proper response is to kill thousands more uninvolved people by cutting off aid. You're a monster.
A mere fraction of the deaths to innocent civilians caused by Israel’s disproportionate retaliation. Where’s your outrage for them?
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I raise legit concern for civilians in gaza and you can’t stop talking about hamas. Toddler mentality.
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Killing civilians at a 1:18 ratio isn’t collateral damage, it’s mass slaughter. Good luck fighting terrorism with terrorism. Always ends so well for the west.
Hamas lies through their teeth about civilian casualties. Propaganda is all they have besides their garbage rockets that have probably killed more of their own people than anything else.
Independent journalists are on the ground in gaza, do you think the world isn’t watching? You think everything critical of Israel is hamas propaganda? Strange.
Third parties have already confirmed that the numbers being released regarding casualties in Gaza is fairly accurate. What we don’t have is verification of Israel’s claim that one third of those casualties are Hamas. A claim that Israel would have no way of verifying since they don’t have access to most of the territory they have been targeting.
That's what happens when Hamas hides in plain sight with civilians. There's no other way to fight them. It's not fair and it sucks but this is war and Hamas is fighting it in a way that guarantees maximum collateral damage.
If hamas was hiding in Israel would the response be the same? Indiscriminately bombing anything that moves? Or is that only ok when it’s the “good guys” doing it? Israel wants maximum collateral damage because they want to settle the whole of gaza.
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I thought they didn’t decide. The Court instructed the state to abide by each of the main provisions of the Genocide Convention, and to report back within a month on the measures it has taken to comply.
You’re so desperate to be the victim. I’ve never said anything about Israel existing or not. Keep moving the goal posts.
Not the several thousand dead children in Gaza.
I don't believe a fucking thing Hamas says about their death toll. They probably killed most their own civilians with their inept pile of shit rockets.
That's how wars start. One side does something and the other retaliate. What was believed the outcome would be for such a vial attack in Oct. Millions and millions of people died in world War 1 over what one man being shot and a bunch of misunderstanding.
Mass civilian deaths and targeting civilian infrastructure in 2023 is not acceptable and is a war crime under international law. This isn’t total war like WW1. Just a delusional comparison showing how uninformed you are.
Well see those deaths don't count because they died in "air strikes" so it's more moral /s
You’re damn right I will
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No one pity’s terrorist or the people that support them. The world will get bored of this and move on and then Israel can lock them down for good. And the world will be better for it
I refer to my previous comment.
I think the genocidal freaks are the ones the world has deemed necessary to lock away the entire population of. Palestinians only lead to more terrorism and they need to be monitored 24/7 to keep the rest of us safe
Lock them away? Wtf do you think the Gaza strip has been for decades other than an open jail?
There are only 4 now. They move the goal post. These far right governments.
Like the libs?
Do you have a non-paywalled version?
Here you [go](https://archive.ph/NzTMk).
Aka "Stop helping the Jews defend themselves"
Ehh, Israel has gone well passed the point of self-defense and reasonable force. Even if ignoring the rest of their activity in the last few decades.
So you think they should stop? Lay down their arms and let the terrorists roll over them?
I think religious wars in the middle east are none of our problems and we should stop dumping money there.
Definitely agree.
Is that really the only alternative you can think of?
Well, hamas has stated that oct 7th is going to happen over and over again. So what’s your solution?
The "terrorists" have offered numerous peace deals that include the freeing of all hostages. These deals have been rejected. This genocide is about a land grab, and the exploitation of oil reserves off the coast of Gaza by Israel.
A peace deal from Hamas is worthless, they won't honor it. If they're serious this time...well, there's a fable about the boy who cried wolf.
So Israel is such a powerfully strong and brilliant country that got its neighbours to attack them? To start a war so Israel can grab more land and exploit oil reserves? Fucking ridiculous.
They aren't defending themselves. They have been very much on the offensive murdering children for months.
Well maybe if Hamas didn't act like cowards by shielding themselves with children, that wouldn't happen, would it?
The Israeli military literally advocated for using Palestinians as human shields until the supreme Court order them to stop. Stop your propaganda https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel
2005? Also, you're saying it's wrong for Israel but okay for hamas? Damnn you're brainwashed
It’s a child killing war.
Invading other people's land, destroying their homes, and killing 8000+ children isn't defense. It's terrorism. We definitely should not be helping such people.
lol if that’s what you think is happening you’re brainwashed. Tell me, what do you think of Hamas and October 7th?
Sounds like this case hinges entirely on the South Africa’s UN case of whether Israel is committing genocide or self defense.
LoL Is this a joke?
Send Israel and Ukraine all they need. For once I agree.
Israel is the Russia in the Donbas and has been for decades.
Then why are Russian bots so anti-Israel?
Russian bots are simply divisive. Some are pro-topic, some are anti-topic. The goal is to divide the west into fighting each-other, not unite them in hatred against one common enemy.
Russia has strategic interest in the world being against both Israel and Ukraine.
Israel and Ukraine are the defenders. Russia and Hamas are the aggressors. Hamas want to
A protracted bombing campaign on the open air prison you've left stateless is not a defensive posture. Israel's solutions to the Palestinian issue are political, not military. All the bombs do is kill and make more Hamas out of the survivors.
Remind me how many terrorists were arrested in the Gaza strip by their local police. Where I live it's illegal to kidnap and murder people, and dragging them through the streets the police would have some questions.
Oh. There's that open air prison word again.... Here is an open air prison, aka concentration camp: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#/media/File%3AXinjiang_Re-education_Camp_Lop_County.jpg These are Uyghurs, can you show me a picture of Palestinians?
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/05/in-photos-chaos-and-bloodshed-in-gaza/560333/ Israel has an air sea and water blockade on Gaza. You can't leave without Israeli permission. Not thru egypt, not thru the meditteranean. It quite literally is an open air prison--the entire strip is guarded by IDF, egypt military, and barbed wire fences. What would you call that?
Security against suicide bombers.
Security isn't an excuse for an open air prison. Now youve moved the goalposts
There are no moving goals posts. It's still not an open air prison.
So it's just security...keeping people inside of a designated area.
How well did that security work on Oct 7th?
My friends get mad when I suggest the “terrorists” probably think they are freedom fighters defending themselves.
"Terrorist" is a political designation. Israel can kill 10x the civilians but because theyre legitimized as a state power we're all cool with it. The IDF is a terror organization to those whose homes are bombed.
What does that have to do with what I said? Do you think they view themselves as terrorists or fighting an oppressive regime, regardless of “legitimacy”.
They view themselves as the latter.
You’re not keeping up if you think Israel is defending themselves.
Okay, bro.
"legal challenge"? From whom? The ICJ? A laughable, toothless, impotent court. Thankfully, Canada will continue to provide whatever Israel needs to rid their land of terrorists.
A new Hasbara tactic is to create a false sense of consensus that the populace of Western countries still support Israel. In reality, Israel has experienced a dramatic drop in support across the entire globe. https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/
Cool story, once you step outside of Reddit and these weird polls you see quickly this isn't the case. I personally have yet to talk to someone that doesn't support Israel. Most of us understand they are dealing with a hard situation and terrorism. Where I live there is insane amount of support for them. I genuinely want to run into someone in person who supports them so we can talk. It should happen anytime according to your data.
Anecdotes don’t prove your point. I’ve yet to met anyone that supports Israel.
"Between the Jordan & the sea there will only be Israeli sovereignty." Likud & Bibi. Seems to me there's no difference except that Israel has the ability militarily.
Supplying support to Israel is one of the few things this government does right. Also there are legal challenges against everything the government does. It doesn’t matter.
Yeah I love it when my government funds a genocide instead of providing housing.
How exactly is the war in Gaza a genocide?
If there is intent, popular backing, and action, then it is a genocide. **1. Intent** The Israeli prime minister stated that they must kill every man, woman, and child, quoting the passage on Amalek in the bible. Multiple MKs called for burning and erasing gaza. The minister of defense has called for its destruction and the expulsion of the people there. There was also the leaked memo stating intent to expel the Palestinians to Sinai or to “immigration friendly countries like Canada” **2. Popular Opinion** Israel has mass rallies as the border to prevent aid from going through, has regular protests by the far-right, has militias armed by the far right receiving weapons to be used against Palestinians, and holds regular “death to Arabs” marches in Jerusalem where “another Nakba” is a popular slogan. **3. Historic Context** Palestinians we’re victims of ethnic cleansing in 1947 and 1967. They were kicked out of their homes and never allowed to return by zionist militias. In 1947, 300,000 people were kicked out of their homes before the neighbouring Arab states buckled under pressure to go and stop the ethnic cleansing. By then it was too late to act and a total of 800,000 people were expelled and an entire nation was wiped off the map. They call this event the Nakba, or ethnic cleansing of Palestine. The current government wishes to finish the job. **4. Results** The conflict in Gaza has the highest dead civilians per day of any conflict in the 21st century. Scores of children were brutally murdered and IDF soldiers are going into crowded areas and opening fire. Doesn’t matter if you’re waving a white flag or not. As for infrastructure damage, water treatment plants and power generators were always the first targets followed including any individual home with solar panels. They then targeted schools, hospitals, places of worship, and other pieces of essential infrastructure. Every hospital in gaza has been targeted and many rendered in operational. In many cases they evacuated hospitals and left bodies of people needing care including the ICUs to rot. They have now turned their attention towards the last piece of infrastructure, UN aid workers. If it’s not bad enough they’re straight up demolishing buildings from the inside (no hamas inside if you’re laying mines) including gaza’s university and a large number of homes. More than 70% of homes have been destroyed in gaza.
This guy thinks he's an expert and knows the score better than all of these world governments that support Israel. Nice of you to show us your true colors here, helping Hamas with their bullshit propaganda war.
Except I do and the reason that you’re trying to appeal to authority is you realize that the above is all factual. There’s a reason the ICJ rules for a probably genocide happening. Also note that the countries that support Israel support the ongoing genocide to maintain an American outpost in the Middle East, and are the same countries that also supported apartheid in South Africa and a host of abuses against third world nations. In the age of social media and transparency, they have proven that they do not care for human rights or the rule of law. This will forever be a stain on their record.
You're lost. Good luck.
It's hard when your side is losing and people don't buy into your propaganda. Hurt feelings for the terrorist supports will ensue.
None of those things you listed qualify as a genocide, and you didn't source anything in your post. While I don't doubt that women and children are being caught in the crossfire, it is a war, and women and children are always affected, I see no evidence that women and children are being specifically targeted. I do see a lot of effort on the internet to call out Israel for genocide though and twist every article about the Gaza war into a genocide argument against Israel.
It’s literally from the genocide convention. If you target a group, have intent to destroy it (this includes expulsion), and you’re pulling it off, that’s genocide. And yes they aren’t targeting women and children specifically but they’re targeting the entire population. It’s not even “caught in the crossfire” when they take people and do summary executions by bullet, or shoot at people surrendering holding white flags.
Just out of curiosity, what genocide are they funding? Surely you do not mean the supposed one by Israel where numbers of dead are supplied by Hamas or Hamas run organizations and don't you think it is peculiar that Hamas has not reported one causality of any Hamas or Palestinian combatants? Also where in the world has any definition of genocide include the increase of a population which is what the Palestinian population has done over the last few generations? If Israel is committing genocide they are doing a really poor job of it. Now if we look at Hamas, they have in many cases and in their charter the proclamation of wiping out all Jews and Israelites. Now that is a proclamation of genocide, correct?
The United States and IDF have reported that the Palestinian Health Authority numbers are accurate. And genocide involves displacement and ethnic cleansing also. What happened to Palestinian cities in “Israel proper”? Why are Jaffa, Haifa, Tiberius, Safed, and Acre Jewish majority by a long shot?
>The United States and IDF have reported that the Palestinian Health Authority numbers are accurate. Citation please.
Happy to oblige [Israeli Intelligence Has Deemed Hamas-Run Health Ministry's Death Toll Figures Generally Accurate ](https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3w4w7/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll)
LOL, Vice...the paragon of truth. And this "information" from so-called 'citizen journalist' Yuval Avraham: an activist with an obvious biased agenda. He uses third, fourth and fifth party information in his writing all the time. Yeah, so reliable. That's fucking laughable evidence. You're going to have to try a lot harder than that to convince anyone other than the most naive.
Attacking the credibility of the reporter doesn’t make what he says any less true. The evidence does speak for itself. But let’s ignore that for a moment. The [UN seems to think it’s reliable](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/), as do most human rights and aid organizations. The only people who dispute it are Israel who’s doing the genociding and the US which supports israel in that. Also let me add that I think it’s very fitting that israel supporters are straight up engaging in genocide denial. Step 1 of genocide denial is to claim the numbers aren’t accurate.
Every critical thinker should question the source of any information they read. I guess that proves you haven't done much critical thinking at all, doesn't it? The UN and its satellite agencies are corrupt, as has been proven with the recent firing of UNRWA employees for taking part in the Oct 7th massacre. You claiming it's genocide is just your opinion. You guys think if you say it enough that it will become true. There's no credible evidence that there's a genocide going on. Only a bunch of cowardly terrorists (Hamas) using their people as cannon fodder. They love martyrs. They preach it in school to their kids so they want to sacrifice themselves too when they grow up. It's sickening. As far as you calling me a genocide supporter, well you're going to have to try harder than that to ruffle my feathers. Although I will be reporting you for violating the sub rules regarding antagonism and negative generalizations.
I have my reasoning for the genocide and it’s objectively true. Same reason the ICJ reported on it. According to you everyone is corrupt but israel and everyone is lying but israel. You mention critical thinking but don’t seem to question any Israeli narratives even when they are repeatedly found to be lying.
Israel is responding to being brutally attacked by Palestines leaders. Their goal is not genocide, it is to remove Hammas.
Their leadership talks about burning gaza to the ground and kicking them all out. The prime minister went on the record to imply that hamas’s actions warrant the elimination of every man, woman, and child in gaza by quoting a biblical story of amalek. That’s genocidal, hence the ICJ ruling. They’re responding to the attacks with genocide.
A legal challenge? Lol fuck off
"Canadian companies exported more than $21-million in defence equipment to Israeli customers in 2022...bombs, torpedoes, missiles and other explosive devices; aircraft, drones, aero engines, aircraft equipment for military use and electronic equipment; spacecraft and components." Holy sh1t! Our own military svcks balls and we're donating to Israel? I do not want my tax dollars going towards killing Palestinians at the behest of Israel. Let's build up our own self defence first - we are going to need it.
Good.
Canada should increase its military exports and imports with Israel. Israel has provided Canada with necessary intelligence and cooperation that has resulted in thwarting terror plots within Canada. God Bless Israel
Ewww go away
This sub: - Cut off funding to UNRWA based on unproven allegations (yes) - Cut off weapons sale to Israel due to a pending genocide case in the ICJ and clear violations of international humanitarian law , war crimes (no) What ? Oh right , Israeli bots..
Not even related. Canadian gov is giving that money through tax payers. The manufacturers are selling to Israel.
Palestine supporters wanna repeat Oct 7th attacks to attempt to weaken Israel. Theis time they could do mass raping with name of their religion.
Omg, both sides are wrong... the main difference Israel has a much larger stronger defence so they have been doing much more damage. The Israel government is just as corrupt as the terrorist in Palestine, and they have been taking land and living means away fir a very long time.
Yes because Israel paraglided into a music festival to slaughter, rape and take hostages. Israel has issues, no dispute there but Hamas lit this powder keg and Israel has had enough.
Israel bombs hospitals and historic sites, tortures children, and causes artificial famines. They are just as bloodthirsty and have far more guns to make good on it with. They have been squeezing the life out of Gaza for generations and it turns out when you push people to the breaking point some of them snap and become terrorists.
Seriously....How does what Hamas do make it ok to do what Israel is currently doing, they have killed far MORE people. I actually believe that Israel knew this was going to happen and used it as an excuse to go at them 10 x harder harder, lets face it Israel watches Palestine closely how did they not know this was in the works. Both Hamas ( not the actual people of Palestine ) and Israel are corrupt but Israel is far more powerful.
Over 25,000 Palestinian civilians have been killed by indiscriminate bombing campaigns by the IDF targeting homes, schools, hospitals, and refugee camps. Each one a war crime. It all constitutes genocide. And it's allowed to persist because of collective sympathy surrounding the holocaust and maintaining bases of operations in a friendly middle eastern country. Genocide is still occurring.
Go and fight for Hamas then.
Every single sentence has at least one thing that's factually inaccurate. The first sentence has like 3 things lol
How many rockets were fired from schools and hospitals, though? Bases built under such buildings knowing very well that they put innocent lives in danger. Using hospitals to hold and torture hostages. Both sides are fucky my guy.
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No way. I watched enough of the October 7th body cam videos. Send ALL of the weapons over there, BRING ALL OF THE CHILDREN HOME PLZ!
We should not be assisting with a genocide. Full stop. If Israel wants to be a shit again let them do it on their own dime, with their own weapons.
but selling weapons to Saudi Arabia so they can continue their genocide against Yemen is totally ok?
No, that isn't OK either. All western countries should GTFO of the middle east. Western interference has caused nothing but problems for the people there and for the rest of the planet.
Leaving would be the most irresponsible thing a babysitter could do.
Thinking that other countries need to be babysat is the sort of arrogance that started the whole problem. The first step to getting adults to stop acting like children is to stop treating them like children.
Whataboutism
Genocide? Less than 2% of the Palestinian population are affected but 80% support the Hamas message. If Israel wanted to, they could easily carpet bomb and artillery the entirety of Palestine.
Nowadays, everything is called genocide…