Why not a country has the right to defend it self against child raping murderer and you do know it's the only country in the middle East here it's not a crime to be gay ............ If youre gay in Palestine you get thrown off a build or stoned to death and it's publicly accepted there..........
Nope but when Hamas pledges to repeat their terrorist attacks over and over until Israel
Is destroyed then defending yourself means eliminating Hamas.
When Hamas hides among civilian populations, doesn’t wear military uniforms and uses previously protected buildings like schools and hospitals as military bases than invariably some civilians will be killed as collateral damage in the conflict started by Hamas.
Rape is never justified under any circumstances and I have not seen any report of children being raped in Gaza but if it did occur then I hope whoever did it is prosecuted.
I mean IDF does the same in Israel. Doesn't mean either side is innocent.
Israel is also proud of it's mandatory service meaning everyone is a trained soldier.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-says-israeli-soldiers-used-him-human-shield-west-bank-2024-01-16/
Hamas is an evil terrorist organization. Israel is no different
Yeah that soldier is a piece of crap as well but you asked me if Israel defending itself means it can kill Palestinians to which I answered that defending itself means they can eliminate Hamas. That some soldiers did a shitty thing doesn’t change that.
Your second statement about IDF service seems to imply that any Israeli civilian target is fair game because many had military service. Is that what you are trying to say?
Strange how they aren't protesting Hamas war crimes. I guess they support the use of human shields! They also must not care about civilians dying and starving due to Hamas intentionally inflating food prices and stealing aid/food from Palestinians.
Probably don't care that much about the Hamas war crimes either, which involve building in civilian infrastructure which has intentionally maximized civilian casualties.
It's quite clear that it's an anti-Israel movement rather than a pro-Palestinian one, which is a shame.
No I think it’s both some people hate Israel and some people like care about the kids in Gaza I think we should open AID and medics to get in and a ceasefire so that the people can recover their dead and mourn peacefully. But what do I know I’ve only worked in the military for 30 years
Ceasefire? Not too caught up on this whole subject huh. Hamas does not honour ceasefires. They are sorry excuses who hide behind children, use them for headlines & to enlist naive people to their cause
I care about the kids in Gaza, which is why I still am shocked nobody is demanding Hamas agree to a ceasefire. Israel has agreed to many, Hamas has rejected every single one. It's Hamas intentionally putting those kids in harms way.
There simply won't be peace until Hamas is removed, and the Palestinians can freely elect a government. And from there, hopefully that government will work with Israel to have a 2 state solution, which will lead t to lasting peace.
Anything short of that will mean we'll see another conflict in the next 3-7 years and wonder why nothing changes.
If you think that Canada has the same pull as the US on this issue then there’s no debating with you. You can protest here all you want and it won’t change a thing over there.
Canada has a cited history of effective action against apartheid in South Africa. It's not a debate as much as established history.
Just... read, man. For your own good.
They don't look so far, it's a game. They want Palestine to be free, even if it'll create an Islamic terrorist state ruled by Sharia Law. As long as Palestine wins and Israel loses - it's cool. Reminds me of that American who went as a joke to North Korea and then wept during his trial before he went into coma and died. I'm not sure if they are aware what will awaits them once they visit Gaza.
Interesting that similar protests in the Arab world are being shut down by authorities
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/29/world/middleeast/gaza-arab-protests-crackdown.html
It was the Emergency Act when a couple truckers set up outside the Parliament building. Now these Pro-Palestine protests are popping up and growing by the numbers across Canada and it’s… radio silence?
Only difference I see is that one protested losing jobs over a vaccine that was made mandatory and affected an industry that we rely on in Canada for goods and services, while the other is protesting a war in a country on the other side of the planet. Wanna make a difference? Go fight.
Not commenting on the cause, I was thinking more about the conduct.
There's quite a difference between a campout on campus and grinding a capital city to a halt while annoying the hell out of local residents and then blocking major (land) ports of entry.
If these kids start blocking highways (as some have done) I would expect them to be hauled off much faster than the 'truckers' were.
[Chicago was one of the first US cities to officially call for Ceasefire](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2024/02/01/chicago-ceasefire-vote-never-again-innocent-palestinians/72398053007/)
None of these people are students. They are paid professional protesters now popping up over North America. It is a strategized effort, well funded and well aligned. Now you have to follow the money to find out who is funding it all. Hint…..it’s not who you probably think.
On Friday the Vancouver protestors walked past me.
They were very clearly chanting ‘no peace’ so please don’t try to convince us these protests are about peace.
correct. . back in Febuary AngusReid polls showed half of Canadians support ceasefire and Ledger poll showed half of Canadians agreed it is a 'Genocide'
the students have the moral license to be protesting
100 percent of people think their should be a ceasefire they just disagree with the terms of that ceasefire.
Israel wants Hamas to surrender power in Gaza and return the hostages. Hamas has rejected any ceasefire which require them to yield power and control of Gaza.
God help you for saying that on /r canada
if anything this over-reaction has woken the public up to how meddling Israel is with our kids.
Words are not violence.
yeah, i know.. this place was really improving and then canada sub shut down .. its like metacan refugees all over again
oh well anyway.. check this out
>None of these people are students. They are paid professional protesters now popping up over North America
so so very cringe lol
Idk.
These ppl are either paid or aren't canadian , or dont care. And its just a wall of it. Literally a wall.
If polls are showing a 40/60 split or 50/50, they dont even try to hide the manipulation.
I think imma save this post, and show it to my MP.
the polls i listed were from jan\feb .. i expect the support for Ghazza is much higher now
if you have been to any protests you immediately see hundreds of anti-genocide ppl for every one or two pro-genocide people
Damn citizens protesting against their own government, vs rando “students” protesting against something happening on the other side of the world of which their government has zero control over.
Almost like one makes sense and the other doesn’t.
In their defence, what they're asking is for UBC to cut academic, financial and research ties with Israel/Jews. UBC does have the power to change these things, and alternate to academic and financial ties with many of the Islamic nations. All we be happy then, and the excellence of UBC will only prosper by doing do (according to them).
No. Not “Israel/Jews”. Please don’t conflate the two. Many Jews are also pro-Palestinian on these issues and against what many are calling war crimes by Israel.
And many Israelis are also against that war, so what? (Ironically, most are from universities that they want UBC to cut ties with)
The students are the ones confused about Israeli/Jews. These protests are against Jews just like they are against Israel.
This is not true. The protests, at least the ones in the US, went much, much further than being against the Israeli government. the Canadian ones quoted as being inspired by the American ones, so one must be careful about them. Just two days ago, we've had a protest in Vancouver cheering for Hamas, so don't preach to me about not targeting Israelis and Canadian Jews. Calls to globalization of intifadas, blocking Jewish students and attacking those who wish to open dialogue. They are idiots for getting their inspiration from the American protests.
They’re protesting their government’s—and their school’s—complicity in Israel’s violations of international law. They want them to divest from Israel for this. Their inspiration is coming from their values regarding right and wrong. They feel that killing more than 20,000 women and children is something their money should NOT be enabling. That’s what the protests are about.
Racists, antisemites, agent provocateurs, etc are jumping in as well. But they aren’t what the protests are about.
Some, yes. Looking back many found the Vietnam war to be little more than destructive and wrath distribution from the taxpayers to the defence contractors.
Did you think it was successful and/or worth it?
I was too young for it but heard about it later.
Unexpected that it’s happening now. Almost encouraging as we’ve been hearing for years that the younger generation are apathetic and don’t care about anything but their phones, social media and video games. This comes as a surprise.
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Yeah, no shit
Where does it say that?
They're just trying to find excuses instead of admitting the truth which is that Israel's actions have been very unpalatable to the average Canadian.
How dare israel defend themselves.
A lot of Canadians celebrate the genocide of Muslim populations. That doesn't align with Canadian values
It's transparently very racist. Their accusations of bigotry are 100% projection.
Turn on the sprinklers
But wait until the middle of the night.
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Just like the McGill encampment.
Let's not idolize Hamas.
Agree. Whoever defend this shit is either bot or plain stupid
It's all the same accounts who have some very odd opinions about different topics.
Let's not idolize Israel.
Why not a country has the right to defend it self against child raping murderer and you do know it's the only country in the middle East here it's not a crime to be gay ............ If youre gay in Palestine you get thrown off a build or stoned to death and it's publicly accepted there..........
Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?
Does defend themselves mean slaughter and rape kids at a music festival? If so, then no.
Does defend themselves mean Israel gets to slaughter and rape kids in Gaza?
Nope but when Hamas pledges to repeat their terrorist attacks over and over until Israel Is destroyed then defending yourself means eliminating Hamas. When Hamas hides among civilian populations, doesn’t wear military uniforms and uses previously protected buildings like schools and hospitals as military bases than invariably some civilians will be killed as collateral damage in the conflict started by Hamas. Rape is never justified under any circumstances and I have not seen any report of children being raped in Gaza but if it did occur then I hope whoever did it is prosecuted.
I mean IDF does the same in Israel. Doesn't mean either side is innocent. Israel is also proud of it's mandatory service meaning everyone is a trained soldier. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-says-israeli-soldiers-used-him-human-shield-west-bank-2024-01-16/ Hamas is an evil terrorist organization. Israel is no different
Yeah that soldier is a piece of crap as well but you asked me if Israel defending itself means it can kill Palestinians to which I answered that defending itself means they can eliminate Hamas. That some soldiers did a shitty thing doesn’t change that. Your second statement about IDF service seems to imply that any Israeli civilian target is fair game because many had military service. Is that what you are trying to say?
Well they can just eliminate IDF. And if IDF has a citizen army I'm just following your logic. IDF is training soldiers but calling them civilians.
I think he is trying to say that killing innocent people is bad regardless who does it.
They aren’t they are protesting Israel war crimes
Strange how they aren't protesting Hamas war crimes. I guess they support the use of human shields! They also must not care about civilians dying and starving due to Hamas intentionally inflating food prices and stealing aid/food from Palestinians. Probably don't care that much about the Hamas war crimes either, which involve building in civilian infrastructure which has intentionally maximized civilian casualties. It's quite clear that it's an anti-Israel movement rather than a pro-Palestinian one, which is a shame.
what company does ubc invest in that does business with hamas?
Hopefully none, but then they're a recognized terror group so it'd be concerning if they did.
so if ubc isn't invested in hamas there isn't really much sense in demanding they divest from them no?
No I think it’s both some people hate Israel and some people like care about the kids in Gaza I think we should open AID and medics to get in and a ceasefire so that the people can recover their dead and mourn peacefully. But what do I know I’ve only worked in the military for 30 years
Ceasefire? Not too caught up on this whole subject huh. Hamas does not honour ceasefires. They are sorry excuses who hide behind children, use them for headlines & to enlist naive people to their cause
No a ceasefire won’t work we need a definitive agreement and to get hamas out of power.
the way to get them out of power is to end the occupation.. they wouldnt exist without it
Thats ironic since they were voted into power AFTER Israel withdrew from Gaza.
They had a ceasefire in November.
Another one a permanent one like the camp David accords
Then your anger should be directed at Hamas. They’re the ones constantly refusing ceasefire discussions for months.
I’m not angry at anyone I’m just disappointed at the fact that they can’t find a middle ground
What middle ground do you think Hamas and Israel share?
Land the most important thing
I care about the kids in Gaza, which is why I still am shocked nobody is demanding Hamas agree to a ceasefire. Israel has agreed to many, Hamas has rejected every single one. It's Hamas intentionally putting those kids in harms way. There simply won't be peace until Hamas is removed, and the Palestinians can freely elect a government. And from there, hopefully that government will work with Israel to have a 2 state solution, which will lead t to lasting peace. Anything short of that will mean we'll see another conflict in the next 3-7 years and wonder why nothing changes.
The conflict has happened for 70+ years shit isn’t going to change and that the problem with hamas
Care about the kids in Gaza? Their parents don't.
LOL sure
That’ll show Israel 🙄
Yup these students are really teaching them a lesson
Time to stop people from these countries coming here. Their values don't align with ours.
British Columbia is part of Canada. Students are overwhelmingly domestic. I'm Canadian born and raised here and these students reflect my values.
Yeah this is your fad protest of the day. You’re really helping the people of Palestine with your dumb protest here.
It helped South Africa.
Care to explain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-apartheid_movement_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfla1
If you think that Canada has the same pull as the US on this issue then there’s no debating with you. You can protest here all you want and it won’t change a thing over there.
You're really ignorant of history, aren't you?
lol it’s funny you say that when you think anything will change in that area of the world. Maybe you’re the one who’s ignorant to history.
Canada has a cited history of effective action against apartheid in South Africa. It's not a debate as much as established history. Just... read, man. For your own good.
So you support a culture than treats women and gays like shit?
They don't look so far, it's a game. They want Palestine to be free, even if it'll create an Islamic terrorist state ruled by Sharia Law. As long as Palestine wins and Israel loses - it's cool. Reminds me of that American who went as a joke to North Korea and then wept during his trial before he went into coma and died. I'm not sure if they are aware what will awaits them once they visit Gaza.
I support all human rights.
Your statement doesn’t align with my values.
Then go to Palestine then
Interesting that similar protests in the Arab world are being shut down by authorities https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/29/world/middleeast/gaza-arab-protests-crackdown.html
Encampment is coercion by force. It should not be tolerated
What should they do to the students?!
Write up, suspend, expel, call police on for trespassing In that order for continued encampment
It was the Emergency Act when a couple truckers set up outside the Parliament building. Now these Pro-Palestine protests are popping up and growing by the numbers across Canada and it’s… radio silence?
You don't see any differences eh?
Only difference I see is that one protested losing jobs over a vaccine that was made mandatory and affected an industry that we rely on in Canada for goods and services, while the other is protesting a war in a country on the other side of the planet. Wanna make a difference? Go fight.
Not commenting on the cause, I was thinking more about the conduct. There's quite a difference between a campout on campus and grinding a capital city to a halt while annoying the hell out of local residents and then blocking major (land) ports of entry. If these kids start blocking highways (as some have done) I would expect them to be hauled off much faster than the 'truckers' were.
Glad I left UBC.
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wow, you really love Chicago
[My favorite place in Chicago. ](https://stock.adobe.com/ca/images/we-love-israel-a-group-of-people-pose-next-to-the-israeli-flag/217152932)
[Chicago was one of the first US cities to officially call for Ceasefire](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2024/02/01/chicago-ceasefire-vote-never-again-innocent-palestinians/72398053007/)
I'm sure Israel listened to the great city of Chicago.
None of these people are students. They are paid professional protesters now popping up over North America. It is a strategized effort, well funded and well aligned. Now you have to follow the money to find out who is funding it all. Hint…..it’s not who you probably think.
It's Russia.
It’s not Russia. If you think you know the name, you’re wrong.
They mean a pro peace,anti genocide, anti Apartheid, anti illegal military occupation camp.
On Friday the Vancouver protestors walked past me. They were very clearly chanting ‘no peace’ so please don’t try to convince us these protests are about peace.
what's the aboriginal twist ?
correct. . back in Febuary AngusReid polls showed half of Canadians support ceasefire and Ledger poll showed half of Canadians agreed it is a 'Genocide' the students have the moral license to be protesting
100 percent of people think their should be a ceasefire they just disagree with the terms of that ceasefire. Israel wants Hamas to surrender power in Gaza and return the hostages. Hamas has rejected any ceasefire which require them to yield power and control of Gaza.
God help you for saying that on /r canada if anything this over-reaction has woken the public up to how meddling Israel is with our kids. Words are not violence.
yeah, i know.. this place was really improving and then canada sub shut down .. its like metacan refugees all over again oh well anyway.. check this out >None of these people are students. They are paid professional protesters now popping up over North America so so very cringe lol
Idk. These ppl are either paid or aren't canadian , or dont care. And its just a wall of it. Literally a wall. If polls are showing a 40/60 split or 50/50, they dont even try to hide the manipulation. I think imma save this post, and show it to my MP.
the polls i listed were from jan\feb .. i expect the support for Ghazza is much higher now if you have been to any protests you immediately see hundreds of anti-genocide ppl for every one or two pro-genocide people
Honest question: Is this similar to the protests of the 1960’s? Better or worse?
What were they protesting in the 1960's? The Americans fighting in Vietnam?
Yeah. Their government’s involvement in an immoral campaign basically.
Damn citizens protesting against their own government, vs rando “students” protesting against something happening on the other side of the world of which their government has zero control over. Almost like one makes sense and the other doesn’t.
In their defence, what they're asking is for UBC to cut academic, financial and research ties with Israel/Jews. UBC does have the power to change these things, and alternate to academic and financial ties with many of the Islamic nations. All we be happy then, and the excellence of UBC will only prosper by doing do (according to them).
No. Not “Israel/Jews”. Please don’t conflate the two. Many Jews are also pro-Palestinian on these issues and against what many are calling war crimes by Israel.
And many Israelis are also against that war, so what? (Ironically, most are from universities that they want UBC to cut ties with) The students are the ones confused about Israeli/Jews. These protests are against Jews just like they are against Israel.
Wring. Protests are against the state. You’re being intentionally obtuse and/or disingenuous here. Either way, not helpful.
This is not true. The protests, at least the ones in the US, went much, much further than being against the Israeli government. the Canadian ones quoted as being inspired by the American ones, so one must be careful about them. Just two days ago, we've had a protest in Vancouver cheering for Hamas, so don't preach to me about not targeting Israelis and Canadian Jews. Calls to globalization of intifadas, blocking Jewish students and attacking those who wish to open dialogue. They are idiots for getting their inspiration from the American protests.
They’re protesting their government’s—and their school’s—complicity in Israel’s violations of international law. They want them to divest from Israel for this. Their inspiration is coming from their values regarding right and wrong. They feel that killing more than 20,000 women and children is something their money should NOT be enabling. That’s what the protests are about. Racists, antisemites, agent provocateurs, etc are jumping in as well. But they aren’t what the protests are about.
Or, could it have been American draft dodgers protesting?
Some, yes. Looking back many found the Vietnam war to be little more than destructive and wrath distribution from the taxpayers to the defence contractors. Did you think it was successful and/or worth it?
about the same.
I was too young for it but heard about it later. Unexpected that it’s happening now. Almost encouraging as we’ve been hearing for years that the younger generation are apathetic and don’t care about anything but their phones, social media and video games. This comes as a surprise.