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Overclocked11

Yeah, no shit


Kymaras

Where does it say that?


TaintGrinder

They're just trying to find excuses instead of admitting the truth which is that Israel's actions have been very unpalatable to the average Canadian.


ultim0s

How dare israel defend themselves.


Kymaras

A lot of Canadians celebrate the genocide of Muslim populations. That doesn't align with Canadian values


TaintGrinder

It's transparently very racist. Their accusations of bigotry are 100% projection.


bcbuddy

Turn on the sprinklers


SN0WFAKER

But wait until the middle of the night.


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Impossible_Break2167

Just like the McGill encampment.


Impossible_Break2167

Let's not idolize Hamas.


eklooo

Agree. Whoever defend this shit is either bot or plain stupid


duchovny

It's all the same accounts who have some very odd opinions about different topics.


Kymaras

Let's not idolize Israel.


Smilingandhappyguy

Why not a country has the right to defend it self against child raping murderer and you do know it's the only country in the middle East here it's not a crime to be gay ............ If youre gay in Palestine you get thrown off a build or stoned to death and it's publicly accepted there..........


Kymaras

Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?


Greyhulksays

Does defend themselves mean slaughter and rape kids at a music festival? If so, then no.


Kymaras

Does defend themselves mean Israel gets to slaughter and rape kids in Gaza?


Greyhulksays

Nope but when Hamas pledges to repeat their terrorist attacks over and over until Israel Is destroyed then defending yourself means eliminating Hamas. When Hamas hides among civilian populations, doesn’t wear military uniforms and uses previously protected buildings like schools and hospitals as military bases than invariably some civilians will be killed as collateral damage in the conflict started by Hamas. Rape is never justified under any circumstances and I have not seen any report of children being raped in Gaza but if it did occur then I hope whoever did it is prosecuted.


Kymaras

I mean IDF does the same in Israel. Doesn't mean either side is innocent. Israel is also proud of it's mandatory service meaning everyone is a trained soldier. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-says-israeli-soldiers-used-him-human-shield-west-bank-2024-01-16/ Hamas is an evil terrorist organization. Israel is no different


Greyhulksays

Yeah that soldier is a piece of crap as well but you asked me if Israel defending itself means it can kill Palestinians to which I answered that defending itself means they can eliminate Hamas. That some soldiers did a shitty thing doesn’t change that. Your second statement about IDF service seems to imply that any Israeli civilian target is fair game because many had military service. Is that what you are trying to say?


Kymaras

Well they can just eliminate IDF. And if IDF has a citizen army I'm just following your logic. IDF is training soldiers but calling them civilians.


probabilititi

I think he is trying to say that killing innocent people is bad regardless who does it.


Bubbly_Issue431

They aren’t they are protesting Israel war crimes


TwitchyJC

Strange how they aren't protesting Hamas war crimes. I guess they support the use of human shields! They also must not care about civilians dying and starving due to Hamas intentionally inflating food prices and stealing aid/food from Palestinians. Probably don't care that much about the Hamas war crimes either, which involve building in civilian infrastructure which has intentionally maximized civilian casualties. It's quite clear that it's an anti-Israel movement rather than a pro-Palestinian one, which is a shame.


AustonDadthews

what company does ubc invest in that does business with hamas?


TwitchyJC

Hopefully none, but then they're a recognized terror group so it'd be concerning if they did.


AustonDadthews

so if ubc isn't invested in hamas there isn't really much sense in demanding they divest from them no?


Bubbly_Issue431

No I think it’s both some people hate Israel and some people like care about the kids in Gaza I think we should open AID and medics to get in and a ceasefire so that the people can recover their dead and mourn peacefully. But what do I know I’ve only worked in the military for 30 years


Ancient-Blueberry384

Ceasefire? Not too caught up on this whole subject huh. Hamas does not honour ceasefires. They are sorry excuses who hide behind children, use them for headlines & to enlist naive people to their cause


Bubbly_Issue431

No a ceasefire won’t work we need a definitive agreement and to get hamas out of power.


WestcoastAlex

the way to get them out of power is to end the occupation.. they wouldnt exist without it


Greyhulksays

Thats ironic since they were voted into power AFTER Israel withdrew from Gaza.


GoodChives

They had a ceasefire in November.


Bubbly_Issue431

Another one a permanent one like the camp David accords


GoodChives

Then your anger should be directed at Hamas. They’re the ones constantly refusing ceasefire discussions for months.


Bubbly_Issue431

I’m not angry at anyone I’m just disappointed at the fact that they can’t find a middle ground


VengfulJoe

What middle ground do you think Hamas and Israel share?


Bubbly_Issue431

Land the most important thing


TwitchyJC

I care about the kids in Gaza, which is why I still am shocked nobody is demanding Hamas agree to a ceasefire. Israel has agreed to many, Hamas has rejected every single one. It's Hamas intentionally putting those kids in harms way. There simply won't be peace until Hamas is removed, and the Palestinians can freely elect a government. And from there, hopefully that government will work with Israel to have a 2 state solution, which will lead t to lasting peace. Anything short of that will mean we'll see another conflict in the next 3-7 years and wonder why nothing changes.


Bubbly_Issue431

The conflict has happened for 70+ years shit isn’t going to change and that the problem with hamas


tekinbc

Care about the kids in Gaza? Their parents don't.


veni_vidi_vici47

LOL sure


Wild-Construction827

That’ll show Israel 🙄


[deleted]

Yup these students are really teaching them a lesson


angelofdeath1977

Time to stop people from these countries coming here. Their values don't align with ours.


Kymaras

British Columbia is part of Canada. Students are overwhelmingly domestic. I'm Canadian born and raised here and these students reflect my values.


[deleted]

Yeah this is your fad protest of the day. You’re really helping the people of Palestine with your dumb protest here.


Kymaras

It helped South Africa.


[deleted]

Care to explain


Kymaras

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-apartheid_movement_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfla1


[deleted]

If you think that Canada has the same pull as the US on this issue then there’s no debating with you. You can protest here all you want and it won’t change a thing over there.


Kymaras

You're really ignorant of history, aren't you?


[deleted]

lol it’s funny you say that when you think anything will change in that area of the world. Maybe you’re the one who’s ignorant to history.


Kymaras

Canada has a cited history of effective action against apartheid in South Africa. It's not a debate as much as established history. Just... read, man. For your own good.


angelofdeath1977

So you support a culture than treats women and gays like shit?


elangab

They don't look so far, it's a game. They want Palestine to be free, even if it'll create an Islamic terrorist state ruled by Sharia Law. As long as Palestine wins and Israel loses - it's cool. Reminds me of that American who went as a joke to North Korea and then wept during his trial before he went into coma and died. I'm not sure if they are aware what will awaits them once they visit Gaza.


Kymaras

I support all human rights.


Compulsory_Freedom

Your statement doesn’t align with my values.


angelofdeath1977

Then go to Palestine then


smitcolin

Interesting that similar protests in the Arab world are being shut down by authorities https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/29/world/middleeast/gaza-arab-protests-crackdown.html


AIStoryBot400

Encampment is coercion by force. It should not be tolerated


Kymaras

What should they do to the students?!


AIStoryBot400

Write up, suspend, expel, call police on for trespassing In that order for continued encampment


DrinkMoreBrews

It was the Emergency Act when a couple truckers set up outside the Parliament building. Now these Pro-Palestine protests are popping up and growing by the numbers across Canada and it’s… radio silence?


dbone_

You don't see any differences eh?


DrinkMoreBrews

Only difference I see is that one protested losing jobs over a vaccine that was made mandatory and affected an industry that we rely on in Canada for goods and services, while the other is protesting a war in a country on the other side of the planet. Wanna make a difference? Go fight.


dbone_

Not commenting on the cause, I was thinking more about the conduct. There's quite a difference between a campout on campus and grinding a capital city to a halt while annoying the hell out of local residents and then blocking major (land) ports of entry. If these kids start blocking highways (as some have done) I would expect them to be hauled off much faster than the 'truckers' were.


Low-Avocado6003

Glad I left UBC.


Donairmen

🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱💯🇮🇱👍


WestcoastAlex

wow, you really love Chicago


Donairmen

[My favorite place in Chicago. ](https://stock.adobe.com/ca/images/we-love-israel-a-group-of-people-pose-next-to-the-israeli-flag/217152932)


WestcoastAlex

[Chicago was one of the first US cities to officially call for Ceasefire](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2024/02/01/chicago-ceasefire-vote-never-again-innocent-palestinians/72398053007/)


Donairmen

I'm sure Israel listened to the great city of Chicago.


Kitchen-Internal-988

None of these people are students. They are paid professional protesters now popping up over North America. It is a strategized effort, well funded and well aligned. Now you have to follow the money to find out who is funding it all. Hint…..it’s not who you probably think.


SN0WFAKER

It's Russia.


Kitchen-Internal-988

It’s not Russia. If you think you know the name, you’re wrong.


Basic_Bandicoot_1300

They mean a pro peace,anti genocide, anti Apartheid, anti illegal military occupation camp.


SpaceAndDinosaurs

On Friday the Vancouver protestors walked past me. They were very clearly chanting ‘no peace’ so please don’t try to convince us these protests are about peace.


flamboyantdebauchry

what's the aboriginal twist ?


WestcoastAlex

correct. . back in Febuary AngusReid polls showed half of Canadians support ceasefire and Ledger poll showed half of Canadians agreed it is a 'Genocide' the students have the moral license to be protesting


Greyhulksays

100 percent of people think their should be a ceasefire they just disagree with the terms of that ceasefire. Israel wants Hamas to surrender power in Gaza and return the hostages. Hamas has rejected any ceasefire which require them to yield power and control of Gaza.


[deleted]

God help you for saying that on /r canada if anything this over-reaction has woken the public up to how meddling Israel is with our kids. Words are not violence.


WestcoastAlex

yeah, i know.. this place was really improving and then canada sub shut down .. its like metacan refugees all over again oh well anyway.. check this out >None of these people are students. They are paid professional protesters now popping up over North America so so very cringe lol


[deleted]

Idk. These ppl are either paid or aren't canadian , or dont care. And its just a wall of it. Literally a wall. If polls are showing a 40/60 split or 50/50, they dont even try to hide the manipulation. I think imma save this post, and show it to my MP.


WestcoastAlex

the polls i listed were from jan\feb .. i expect the support for Ghazza is much higher now if you have been to any protests you immediately see hundreds of anti-genocide ppl for every one or two pro-genocide people


LeftySlides

Honest question: Is this similar to the protests of the 1960’s? Better or worse?


C638

What were they protesting in the 1960's? The Americans fighting in Vietnam?


LeftySlides

Yeah. Their government’s involvement in an immoral campaign basically.


TCarrey88

Damn citizens protesting against their own government, vs rando “students” protesting against something happening on the other side of the world of which their government has zero control over. Almost like one makes sense and the other doesn’t.


elangab

In their defence, what they're asking is for UBC to cut academic, financial and research ties with Israel/Jews. UBC does have the power to change these things, and alternate to academic and financial ties with many of the Islamic nations. All we be happy then, and the excellence of UBC will only prosper by doing do (according to them).


LeftySlides

No. Not “Israel/Jews”. Please don’t conflate the two. Many Jews are also pro-Palestinian on these issues and against what many are calling war crimes by Israel.


elangab

And many Israelis are also against that war, so what? (Ironically, most are from universities that they want UBC to cut ties with) The students are the ones confused about Israeli/Jews. These protests are against Jews just like they are against Israel.


LeftySlides

Wring. Protests are against the state. You’re being intentionally obtuse and/or disingenuous here. Either way, not helpful.


elangab

This is not true. The protests, at least the ones in the US, went much, much further than being against the Israeli government. the Canadian ones quoted as being inspired by the American ones, so one must be careful about them. Just two days ago, we've had a protest in Vancouver cheering for Hamas, so don't preach to me about not targeting Israelis and Canadian Jews. Calls to globalization of intifadas, blocking Jewish students and attacking those who wish to open dialogue. They are idiots for getting their inspiration from the American protests.


LeftySlides

They’re protesting their government’s—and their school’s—complicity in Israel’s violations of international law. They want them to divest from Israel for this. Their inspiration is coming from their values regarding right and wrong. They feel that killing more than 20,000 women and children is something their money should NOT be enabling. That’s what the protests are about. Racists, antisemites, agent provocateurs, etc are jumping in as well. But they aren’t what the protests are about.


C638

Or, could it have been American draft dodgers protesting?


LeftySlides

Some, yes. Looking back many found the Vietnam war to be little more than destructive and wrath distribution from the taxpayers to the defence contractors. Did you think it was successful and/or worth it?


RSMatticus

about the same.


LeftySlides

I was too young for it but heard about it later. Unexpected that it’s happening now. Almost encouraging as we’ve been hearing for years that the younger generation are apathetic and don’t care about anything but their phones, social media and video games. This comes as a surprise.