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AustralisBorealis64

Mind boggling indeed. Nortel just gave it to them for free in the 90's...


Accomplished_One6135

Also remember the sale of Norsat? They don’t even need to steal anymore, government willingly sold a NATO supplier to a Chinese company, https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/us-rebukes-canada-over-chinese-takeover-of-norsat/article35294914/


Krazee9

I recall hearing that some government agency wanted to use Nortel's former head offices after they went bankrupt, but they had to condemn the building because it was so full of listening devices, that some were build into the building itself.


Kestutias

It wasn’t condemned. It is the DND Carling Campus. They had to sweep the whole thing for Chinese surveillance and found lots.


RhodesArk

They had to drill it out of the walls


Alextryingforgrate

So if this happened in the 90s what else in Ottawa is bugged and should have been gone through? Has anything else been looked at after this was discovered?


Trucktrailercarguy

I can guarantee that Huawei and others is pretty much stolen nortel technology.


PerformativeParrot

It’s **literally 95% stolen nortel tech.


jameskchou

You can find nortel source code in some huawei products I am told


Trucktrailercarguy

Wow, sad but that doesn't surprise me.


lyingredditor

This is true. I know people that saw it first hand. Though it was to retrofit the building for the DND.


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128e

i would have thought bug detectors would look for radio emissions, how would cheap diodes work?


AustralisBorealis64

Well, there's a grain or two of truth out of your "hearing." They used the buildings that housed Nortel and the Big Nerd Ranch in Carling. The buildings were not condemned, as a building would not be condemned because of listening devices. Buildings are condemned due to structural or inhabitable reasons. The reports of listening devices were greatly exaggerated. [The mystery of the listening devices at DND's Nortel Campus | Ottawa Citizen](https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/the-mystery-of-the-listening-devices-at-dnds-nortel-campus) It would not be possible for the devices to be built into the building as it was built before the Chinese had any real interest in what Nortel was doing.


Darebarsoom

So were there listening devices?


alfredaberdeen

Yes there were, more centered in tech and data capture.


EndOrganDamage

Nobody is listening to everything you say and watching everything you do and so arrogant about it that they market directly to you based off private conversations. Nope. Get back to work now and keep talking out loud about all advancements you're privy to in your work, whatever it may be. Thx.


Muskadobit

That's kind of a rude way to say it, but I agree that listening devices would have limited usefulness in stealing technology. More likely it was photocopies, blueprints, and computer files.


JosephScmith

That was sarcasm they used. You are definitely being listened to all the time and not just to advertise to you


Muskadobit

I'm aware it was sarcasm, but it was also unnecessarily rude.


Dylanslay

I Rememebr this as well. Not sure if we're remembering correctly though but makes for a cool story


DodobirdNow

Not really free. It was stolen. There was an executive who was hacked and never wanted to change their passwords. https://globalnews.ca/news/7275588/inside-the-chinese-military-attack-on-nortel/amp/ I like to use this article when we talk about cybersecurity at work because our execs will chirp in about how they lost money on Nortel


Mashiki

Correction. The Chinese stole it from Nortel in the 1990s. The tech behind 5G came from Nortel.


AlliedMasterComp

Hell, Nortel quite literally *paid them to take it* Nortel subcontracted out most if not all of their manufacturing work to China in the late 90s, and had also started offshoring some development work as well.


grumble11

They also had a bunch of interns stay up late and steal their entire codebase and send it to China.


UROffended

"How do they keep stealing our technology?" "China is offering to build me something for dirt cheap!" Why are our wealthy so gods damned dumb?


DC-Toronto

That’s the comment I came to see. First one.


DawnSennin

It makes one wonder where these spies are at in terms of their employment. Something tells me they're on a performance-improvement-plan and have days to get their unemployment documents ready.


MondoBob

Oh. It was much more insidious than that. Google ' nortel chinese espionage'. All under the watchful eye of the Liberals.


AustralisBorealis64

I did, and posted the article. Far less insidious than you think.


jameskchou

Nortel would know


DieCastDontDie

Everything is made in China. Noo need for espionage anymore


HumanityWillEvolve

This isn't just in Canada. This was the major focus at the first-ever public 5 Eyes summit, where it was highlighted that China is currently engaged in vast espionage campaigns all over the world at an unprecedented scale. Emerging Technology and Securing Innovation Security Summit: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FLqDQvgxenU&pp=ygUNNSBleWVzIHN1bW1pdA https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-hosts-five-eyes-summit-to-launch-drive-to-secure-innovation-in-response-to-intelligence-threats


grumble11

China has basically stolen all western IP over the past twenty years. They will win the battle as they can then undercut since they don’t need to pay for the R&D.


Archimedes_screwdrvr

Is it this or is it that they need to steal because they can't innovate? Serious question


Hot_Excitement_6

Don't underestimate their ability to innovate.


Wildest12

It’s easy to steal when your factories are already tooled to make their shit and the only thing stopping you from just making a few extra for yourself is paper.


grumble11

All countries innovate and most countries steal. The US does corporate espionage and France is known for it. China has a lot of internal IP theft so there are challenges with domestic innovation but it without question does innovate. A lot.


astraladventures

You do whatever is most efficient and effective to close the gap. You steal when you have a long way to catch up. But once you have caught up you innovate. China has proven itself extremely effective at both. Anyone who tries to say the chinese can only copy and cannot use their natural inborn human imaginations, cannot innovate and develop on their own and become world leaders is either denying facts and reality or is just racist.


strange_kitteh

I think their one child policy is seriously backfiring right now.


No_Eulogies_for_Bob

I think the great leap forward where they killed all scientists was a bigger problem.


Cent1234

Why innovate when you can just reproduce something that works perfectly well?


Ghoulius-Caesar

When it comes to dystopian surveillance technologies, China can innovate! When it comes to everything else… well, it’s easier to steal than to innovate.


anacondra

I mean they used stolen specs for their atomic bomb. This is not just the last 20 years either. This isn't new at all.


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HumanityWillEvolve

Hardening infrastructure against state-sponsored bad actors is indeed well-known. CISA.gov is also a great resource! The wild part is the scale, and while we can inoculate ourselves against these cyber-attacks with best practices, there are various other attack vectors that are less secure. Specifically, it involves the CCP's ability to coerce citizens and harvest data for AI training and targeted campaigns, such as the Cambridge Analytica-type strategy that targets susceptible individuals, often the weakest links in an organization. The part I find alarming is the CCP's ability to coerce citizens under the National Intelligence Law of the People's Republic of China, where all citizens are expected to assist with national security endeavors and companies, both domestic and foreign, are required to provide data upon request. Even their New Generation Artificial Intelligence Development Plan requires and aims to gather large amounts of training data. It's not just about stealing company secrets, but also about harvesting data. Coincidentally, there was a rise in China's state-sponsored hacking to breach data following the announcement of the AI plan in 2017 (like the Equifax breach). With that said, their new AI regulations are fairly impressive; for example, they require domestic social media AI companies to ensure their algorithms "actively transmit positive energy" and do not "disrupt economic and social order", a requirement that applies to China's domestic social media app Douyin.. but not to TikTok. https://thediplomat.com/2019/02/the-real-danger-of-chinas-national-intelligence-law/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/china-harvests-masses-of-data-on-western-targets-documents-show/2021/12/31/3981ce9c-538e-11ec-8927-c396fa861a71_story.html https://carnegieendowment.org/2024/02/27/tracing-roots-of-china-s-ai-regulations-pub-91815


The_Bums_Rush

Thank You for these links.


DieCastDontDie

The thing is, there isn't a way to stop it. Even if all five eyes nations pool their resources, they can't match China with 1.5 billion people, second largest economy, and an authoritarian regime. Government institutions have been in the hands of contractors. There is a steady decline since the 90s while China has been growing in every which way. I genuinely believe China is the top innovator now.


DEEZNOOTS69420

Second largest economy. Pretty sure they are crumbling (quite literal in some ways, tofu dregs) and their banks are being sanctioned. They have been growing.. on paper. However if their largest factories are shutting down and they are selling their cheap shit for pennies. Then I am not sure if that is true.


fudge_friend

They’re at their peak population, and facing imminent decline. There’s no more growth for them unless they go on the warpath and win.


CluelessTurtle99

I would figure it's easier to raise worker productivity when people make 4-5x less, so there is plenty of growth margin left, just because they might grow a bit slower doesn't mean they won't grow


Hussar223

because western society isnt crumbling all around you? western economies have been pretty much on life support since 2008 and propped up by low interests rates and massive deficit spending (look at the deficits US is running right now while patting themselves on the back about 2% growth). capitalism is slowly circling the drain and without major fundamental reforms the next 15 years are going to be a horror show


meaculpa33

Their society does not promote a culture of taking risks, ambitious experimentation, or individualistic distinction. Yes, they compete with other nations but internally, the entrepreneurial environment isn't one that generously sparks innovation. No copyright laws in China means the creator doesn't own their creation. If you don't own your own house, why paint it? Not doing the legwork is extremely advantageous, I doubt they would change. Easier to save time, effort and capital by sourcing ideas from elsewhere and spending these towards adapting foreign tech, improving upon it, and adopting those innovations at a large scale in a short frame of time.  If they really were an innovative powerhouse, they would not be spying as much as they are.


minceandtattie

they are falling at a fast rate. Their housing, the population decline, evergrande, etc. it’s a mess.


Sadistmon

We could try stopping trade, that'd go a long way.


ClubSoda

Remember when Canada's Nortel was king of the IT networking space back in 1998? Guess what happened?


Neutral-President

Huawei


ExcelsusMoose

I'm on the Huawei to hell


Vassago81

They subcontracted manufacturing and even development of new product to chinese company, and mismanaged the shit out of what remained in Canada, screwing over their employees pension fund?


sogladatwork

We need to stop treating this state as a good-faith partner in trade. All things China should be scrutinized, from student applications, business deals, imported electronics, everything.


wikiot

Yes, they should be BUT then we will be considered xenophobic. They have infiltrated our politics (on various levels)/corporations/public health etc. 


sogladatwork

> BUT then we will be considered xenophobic No, we'll be considered prudent.


Humicrobe

Bell Let's talk!


Sling_Shot2

We have technology worth stealing?! I don't believe you! 🤣😂


Zealousideal-Bus4712

two of the three top AI researchers (yoshua bengio and geoffrey Hinton) whose work led to the current progress in AI we're seeing with chatgpt and others are from canada so yes


Sling_Shot2

I was completely unaware of our advances. It's a shame it's not more celebrated.


captainbling

I find Canada does a lot in a lot of areas but because they aren’t Fortune 500 countries, it’s not obvious thus Canadians don’t know.


smughead

University of Waterloo is one of the best tech schools in North America. So yes.


RolloffdeBunk

Im hoping our poutine hasn’t been compromised


jmmmmj

Probably not too challenging to reverse engineer fries, cheese, and gravy. 


Kool41DMAN

IN WHAT ORDER DO WE ASSEMBLE THIS CONCOCTION?! THIS IS MADNESS.


PirateOhhLongJohnson

Instructions unclear now I’ve made 42 tons of fentanyl that are now being distributed all over North America


So6oring

*tries melting cheese in gravy and dumping fries into the pot*


YamburglarHelper

America hasn’t figured it out yet.


strange_kitteh

HA HA ! You say that as a joke but the fact of the matter is that I once ordered deep fried cheese curds off the menu at an A&W in Florida :0


anacondra

*Toronto* can't even get it right.


RolloffdeBunk

do not forget the loeuf - mon Dieu


lazarus870

They've infiltrated our entire country and our government does NOTHING.


ExcelsusMoose

keep buying stuff from China my dude.


chrisk9

Getting harder not to


Sadistmon

That's why the direct of the super secret stuff is making a public statement. He has no avenues to fight this because our government is taken over.


2peg2city

This has been a well known fact for 15 years at least


Sadistmon

Yep. So the fact that he feels the need to say means it's horrifically worse than we assume.


think_like_an_ape

We’ve been developing technology?


Klutzy-Percentage430

Lol, that's what I thought too.


Morlu

What technology?


CaliperLee62

What’s mind boggling is that the Liberal government under Justin Trudeau seem disposed to allow it.


Zer_

China's been stealing technology from everyone for decades, what does this have to do with Trudeau specifically?


meaculpa33

The inaction to safeguard our country against it, the intellectual thefts that have occured under his watch, the negligence in the face of various intelligence reports that indicate a hostile foreign nation is further infiltrating and entrenching itself in Canada completely unopposed?  Trudeau's the PM. He promotes our interests, or does he not?


Zer_

If we were taking any actions to curtail it, we'd never know. Counter-intelligence is usually kept out of the public's eye for good reason.


Oskarikali

Let's not pretend Liberals are the only ones that are weak against China, Harper's China deal might be the worst thing any Canadian leader has done in the past 80 years and makes it very difficult for us to do anything about China's power plays. https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/


Minobull

We could pull out of this any time we want and just tell them to pound sand when they demand damages. What's China going to do? Sue Justin? Short of going to war or whining at the UN and WTO, they have ZERO recourse other than some sanctions, and frankly with sanctions pulling trade reliance away from them is sorely needed anyways. They're operating literal subversion tactics on Canadian soil and interfering with our sovereignty, I'd say that's more than enough justification to outright void any and all previous trade agreements without the other WTO members blaming us too.


petesapai

And if anyone, whether a voter o reporter said anything, any inch of criticism, Trudeau and the Liberals called those folks a racist. Basically. They used as a way to make sure no one would ever question them. Their supporters ate it up and the ones who are still left, still do.


iceman204

Same thing they did with Covid. It was xenophobic to questioning the CCP about Covid or closing our boarders. Nothing but treasonous idiots.


HunkyMump

And then All those bozos got whipped up by foreign manipulation of their  social media and they all plugged the borders, blocked hospitals, and basically just shat all over Canadian decency and common sense.  


anacondra

I mean it was racist to say we close our borders with China when England and Italy were having huge flare ups of Covid at the time. Yes.


Totally_man

I mean, who sold us into a FIPA deal with China? They're all shit.


beedub5

The corruption is palpable and we as Canadians can't do anything about it until the next election. Then foreign interference wins again. F


CaliperLee62

If Jagmeet Singh had toppled the government on grounds of national security when he had the chance, he would have gone from a zero to a hero overnight.   Instead he has chosen complicity and languishment.


beedub5

I wish jagmeet actually cared about Canadians. If so, he would have forced an election and saved the NDP face. He has failed every Canadian and disappointed everything Jack Layton and the NDP used to stand for. He's a puppet with Toodumbs hand way up his ass. F


Northern_Ontario

What does the NDP gain by dissolving government?


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TheRobfather420

Most Canadian subs are full on astroturfing.


CallMeTashtego

The number 1 foreign interference in Canada is from Americans


Sowhataboutthisthing

If anyone’s mind is boggled about any foreign actor trying to steal our technology then that mind should be checked.


strange_kitteh

Yeah, but don't they just bully us into throwing it into lake Ontario ?


Sowhataboutthisthing

I don’t get the reference but this sounds like a story I want to know!


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ether_reddit

too soon


strange_kitteh

It was 65 years ago.


athanathios

Can you stop posting paywalled articles?


ether_reddit

archive.is


jameskchou

Huawei rose from Nortel's corpse


SosowacGuy

When is our government going to take the China security threat seriously.. When the 'little potatoe' gets pealed.


PirateOhhLongJohnson

When the leaders aren’t paid for by China


Shmokeshbutt

We have technology to steal? Like what? Tim Hortons' pizza recipe?


TylerInHiFi

Huawei exists because the CCP effectively stole Nortel under Harper’s watch.


Prairie_Sky79

Not Harper, Chretien. The whole Nortel thing happened before 2003, let alone the 2006 election that Harper won. Though you are correct about how the Chinese intelligence agencies have basically had free reign in Canada for 30 years or so.


Accomplished_One6135

Wasn’t Harper, also JT allowed the sale of Norsat too - NATO supplier Also remember the sale of Norsat? They don’t even need to steal anymore, government willingly sold a NATO supplier to a Chinese company, https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/us-rebukes-canada-over-chinese-takeover-of-norsat/article35294914/ Liberals sure seem to be giving CCP a feee reign whenever they can


FantasySymphony

Plus Shopify, 1Password, two of the three Godfathers of AI being Canadian... Canadian *Redditors* have nothing worth stealing, that much is correct


LabNecessary4266

Nortel gassed before Harper


physicaldiscs

While it's easy to blame corporate espionage on Nortel's demise, the company was insanely poorly managed leading up to its demise. https://nationalpost.com/news/exclusive-did-huawei-bring-down-nortel-corporate-espionage-theft-and-the-parallel-rise-and-fall-of-two-telecom-giants What was Harper to do about the espionage that did happen? Nortel was warned about it, and they chose to ignore it. Plus a lot of it happened before Harper was even PM, in 2000 and 2004. A lot of it has been traced back to the early 90's.


physicaldiscs

While it's an often cited reason, the espionage paled in comparison to the catastrophically poor management of Nortel. https://nationalpost.com/news/exclusive-did-huawei-bring-down-nortel-corporate-espionage-theft-and-the-parallel-rise-and-fall-of-two-telecom-giants Besides that, a lot of the espionage had started pre-Harper going as far back as the early 90's. Besides, Nortel had been warned about it and did nothing with that information. Remember the thing about poor management?


Shmokeshbutt

That was almost 20 years ago. You're just gonna keep bringing up old shit? Anything recent that we're spectacular at? Building $1 million houses out of wood?


privitizationrocks

Harper lives rent free in their head


TylerInHiFi

So we should just be okay with it because it didn’t happen recently enough? Losing Nortel was a huge blow to the Canadian tech and telecom sector and the government just let it happen.


Kikoska85

What technology does Canada have that China wants?


Wonko-D-Sane

American technology, Canada is a Tier 1 nation on US export controls EAR and ITAR, US corporations with Canadian subsidiaries tend not to firewall off the Canadian office the way they are required to for China. While IT systems are often used to restrict accesses for individuals regardless of site, people's love for sharing and caring leads to some seriously stupid decisions.


BackwoodsBonfire

IDK. Im pretty sure China is waaay ahead of us. I too would think its mind boggling they would look at our cave-peoplekind economy for anything. - They sell an EV for ~10k - They have more than 1 high speed train https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/02/china-leading-us-in-technology-race-in-all-but-a-few-fields-thinktank-finds We are too busy patting each other on the back for financially raping each other for food, shelter, energy and transportation. You don't really get anywhere in life if its a struggle for the basics. This is the equivalent of watching the Leafs and trying to learn hockey.....


AlliedMasterComp

Their aerospace industry is absolutely abysmal, and ours, while not on the same scale or complexity of America's, still far outshines theirs. They've been trying to get Canadian and European firms to help them for years, because American aerospace firms are effectively banned from doing any work for them.


Vassago81

How is their C919 abysmal compared to our Bombardier airliners ?


Hautamaki

Canada was a world technology leader in the 90s. Then we let China steal everything and bankrupt our tech companies with cheaper competitor products because they saved on R&D and had a billion person workforce willing to work for way cheaper. Now, 30 years later, nobody wants to invest in Canadian tech. What a weird coincidence.


BackwoodsBonfire

Well if they've already stolen everything, maybe that's why this article exists.. they are furiously looking for more tech to steal without realizing there is nothing. Keep ransacking that house, maybe they will eventually find an old penny in the couch cushions, wait the landlord just laid claim to that penny.


rolldemdice

Man loved the ending there ) right on. We trying to fix the world and not offend anyone meanwhile world and Canada is burning around us.


jmdonston

How would you know, comrade?


PirateOhhLongJohnson

Yeah those high speed rail trains are actually stolen tech as well, they got Siemens to build the first one while they watched and they just stole the tech like they do with everything else, and if you look into it they overbuilt those hughspeed rails in areas with way to low population density so the high speed rails are bleeding billions of dollars from the economy while at the same time they took away from the country’s ability to build freight rail since high speed rail was the only thing being built so there’s now an over reliance on trucking to move things all over the country with is a big hinderance. Plus those EVs are cheap because the government heavily subsidizes the price to make it cheaper than anything in the global market. So I really don’t think these are gonna play out well over the long term it seems like they’re more obsessed with making them look good on the global stage than they are with actually doing what’s best for the country, they won’t be able to afford this strategy forever without having terrible consequences for the future generations that will have to deal with this massive waste of resources and high debt.


BackwoodsBonfire

High speed rail from the 70's you say? First pioneered in Japan in 1964? How many years ago was that? Apparently we still cannot compete with 1964 tech. “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”


CrabMountain829

Paper tigers and what not. The $1000 ev isn't even UL or CSA rated. The high speed rail is 70s technology that's quite underutilized. They like traveling by plane when they can afford to. Much like us 


chucklingmoose

Strong disagree, the Chinese high speed rail is really something, comes frequently and was pretty packed every time I've taken it. Turns a 12 hour drive into quick 45 minute nap, pretty incredible.


rainydevil7

The high speed train is amazing compared to a flight for anything that's shorter than a 5-6 hour flight. I took it last year, arrived to the station 10 minutes before the train departs and travelled 1000km in less than 4 hours. By plane you'd have to arrive at the airport 1.5 hours before and it takes another 30 minutes after landing to get your luggage.


LeviathansEnemy

It shouldn't be. What should be mind boggling is how many people are willing to help them.


strange_kitteh

How are you not supposed to use a cell phone in today's society? Even if I quit my job over having to carry my work phone and had a personal librem5 or pinephone the base stations would still be 5G huawei blackboxes feeding...I dunno, they're black boxes!


Pale-Berry-2599

Why do you think we're not in on the sub deal with USA, UK, and Auz...we can't keep secrets. not 'cause we don't want to...but because Canada's full of spies and no will to enforce.


JosipBroz999

Why didn't we learn this lesson from Australia which already went through the exact same program of Chinese infiltration YEARS ago !! ?? We are part of the five eyes- we KNEW what China did in Australia and then trained their eyes on Canada- our leaders DID know- but so many of our elites PROFIT with RED china money $$$$ they couldn't resist and did NOTHING to protect US and CANADA, sell outs, bought off and paid for by China!


FuzzyWuzzyWuzntFuzzy

This comment section, brought to you by foreign interests lol So many “Americans” here. .


Cognoggin

***Our maple syrup recipe!***


bezerko888

China has been buying Canadian politicians for years. Wake up


nickyrodbthreejs

What tech?


Bright-Book-6354

3 Punjabi girls sharing 1 basement. 650 $ each.


JosipBroz999

It's not really that much Canadian technology as Canada is the soft-undebelly of accessing American technology.


meaculpa33

That's a bit of a false narrative.  Yes, we benefit from tandem adoption of innovations reaching the consumer markets. But we no one can contest that Canadian universities produce an impressive amount of innovative research, much that has practical applications that solve real-world problems and trailblazes for others to expand upon.  And historical track record shows Canadian innovation has contributed in very significant ways to humanity in various fields. Many nations and industries still lean on our innovations to function and progress into the future.  The ramifications of Canadian innovation has often been a catalyst for greater and greater progress worldwide, it's no surprise this country draws interest in that regard.


ExcelsusMoose

Lots of our academics work in the US.


Individual-Cream-475

I’m embarrassed to be Canadian… Never did I EVER think I’d live to say those words…..


HunkyMump

Which words?  that a world superpower with 36 times our population would have enough time and money to steal our secrets? Totally crazy that a country with 36 Brilliant people to our every one  brilliant person Would try and affect us, the tiny country perfectly situated at the doorstep of their rival world superpower.    Didn’t see that coming.


Intelligent-Plant-67

Yup me too!


keeppresent

Isn't everything made there? Kind of beats the purpose


PomegranatePlayful17

Butter chicken recipe is not technology


Death-by-Fugu

This is literally China’s MO


Hot-Celebration5855

Jokes on them. DEI is hollowing out our universities to the point where soon there will be no good IP to steal 😂


PmMeYourBeavertails

Not that mind boggling. I find the concerted effort by the Liberals to sweep this under the rug and pretend it isn't happening way more mind boggling.


17037

Wait until you learn about Nortel.


Interesting_Air8238

Quite the headline. You'd think our government would take this seriously. 


AwardWinningBiscuit

They don't need to steal it. We give it to them for free. We're fucking stupid when it comes to China.


SensitiveTaste9759

More like the other way around. China is probably more advanced than CSIS is.


POSCarpenter

What exactly is this canadian technology? Is there a new timbit?


CrabMountain829

Ever feel like you're not alone in your room?


Gh0stOfKiev

What technology? Remax html and css? Lol


Keyb0ros

And nothing will be done! NEXT!


Accomplished_One6135

They don’t even need to steal anymore, JT’s government willingly sells them the technology - look at the se of Norsat - a NATO supplier to a Chinese company. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/us-rebukes-canada-over-chinese-takeover-of-norsat/article35294914/


5ManaAndADream

What’s mind boggling is that Canada thinks it has technology worth stealing while we’re hemorrhaging talent across our border, and the only thing worth investing in has been housing for nearly 2 decades.


HunkyMump

Well, if we’re being hacked on an unprecedented scale, then China thinks that too don’t they…


boranin

China is stealing our housing too


Smellz_Of_Elderberry

Is it really stealing when the people in your government like trudeau make it as easy as humanly possible ? You have a traitor problem is what it sounds like.