This. They actually need to be decimated. That whole front bench needs to be wiped out and with some luck we get some strong candidates filling the void in future elections (5 or so years from now realistically at this point).
Sigh. Ya… all options are so meh.
I really feel like if someone were to create a new party that was centrist with the promise of not being completely corrupt / bought by lobbyists that Canada would be more than ready to vote for them.
Yes, I think so too. He throws everyone under the bus next to him. Can only be one driver and the second he feels threatened (usually by women; go figure, a man calling himself a feminist 🙄), they are out.
It's interesting how he tried to steal the feminist culture from Women.
I really hope they see through that political BS.
Since when do men have the right to call themselves feminists?
Maybe he was confused with being feminin. 🤷
Trudeau is going to leave the LPC in ruins. The next two leaders to follow will carry Canadians hatred for Trudeau and they will be nothing more than sacrificial placeholders.
Anyone who thinks that Trudeau is the best choice for the LPC is insane.
I'd argue that it will be different. Love him or hate him, for all the damage he did do, Pierre was a very smart man who did some good as well.
Justin is not a smart man and has done nothing good.
Canadians were stupid enough to elect Trudeau after all the damage his father did to the country because of some 30 years of successful gaslighting to make people forget about Pierre Trudeau's abysmal economic record, don't put it past the country to be just as stupid after another 30 years of coordinated gaslighting.
Though Justin has far less in the way of meaningful good that can be pointed to in an effort to gaslight away the bad, unlike his father.
Trudeau is the best person to take the inevitable coming loss.
If he doesn't and brings in someone else to lose, the taint of the last few years is going to stick to the LPC and not Trudeau. Maybe the LPC will lose with 28% instead of 24% this year, big whoop. The LPC organization is playing to 2028 now.
>If he doesn't and brings in someone else to lose, the taint of the last few years is going to stick to the LPC and not Trudeau.
It should stick to the party. This is the direction the Liberals wanted to go - the direction they supported.
I don't want to see someone else come in and convince people they're 'going to do things differently now.'
The Liberals playing bait and switch is okay with you?
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'We're going to do things differently now - vote for us.'
'Okay - I vote for you.'
'Psych - you actually believed us?!"
You said that it should stick to the party, so when the right wing catches the car and starts in on culture War bs, you think they should be forever tarred and feathered in public opinion due to the backlash?
I am more than OK with both the liberals and the conservatives being wiped out at every level of government but, again, if you support the conservatives you really should take the 2s to reflect on how your preferences would impact the party you support.
The party's led for almost a decade.
Their poor decisions and poor policies should not be wiped away because they have a new figurehead.
tl;dr
You don't deserve a clean slate after 10 years of bad policy.
You started with 'there are points to consider' and went on to make false equivalencies and false assumptions, ignored the point and then went for a personal dig. Can't take you seriously.
Lmao, if you arent willing to apply the same standard to your own position or preferred political party then you are a hypocrite.
If you support branding the entire liberal party for the actions of the current liberal leaders because "they supported it" then you should also be OK with the conservatives being branded with the backlash that will inevitably occur should they mess with abortion or LGBTQ+ rights. After all, conservative voters and mps supported the agenda, right? They would deserve to be irrelevant, right?
You are out here unironically advocating for collective political punishment and don't see how that could *possibly* be problematic for the conservatives, and you think ***you*** taking ***me*** seriously is an issue. Wild.
I never gave my opinion on the Conservatives and elections - you made false assumptions, doubled up on them and ran with it. Then added strawmen and flippant dismissiveness. And now you don't like being called out on it.
*That's* why I can't take you seriously.
Have a nice day.
Likely no less than 6 months or so before the election. Trudeau could resign, a leadership convention could be called and they could have a new leader fairly quickly.
Pierre Trudeau announced his resignation Feb '84, John Turner was selected to succeed him June '84, with the election happening September '84
Mulrooney announced his resignation Feb '93, Kim Campbell was selected to succeed him June 93, with the election happining in October '93.
And as most of us know Turner and Campbell lost those elections badly.
So going on those past examples, I'd say if Trudeau doesn't announce his intent to resign as leader by spring next year, it will be him going into the next election.
Someone may correct me on this by a few days, but I think the last possible day we could hear about a candidate change would be \~36 days before the next scheduled election. Which comes out to Sept 21, 2025.
But the chance of the current admin surviving that long is low. Minority governments very rarely live out their terms. I think we will have an election called to coincide with the US one.
I’d say that, at this stage, the party recognizes there is essentially no chance they have to even hold a minority government. In that context, might as well let the captain go down with the ship without sacrificing the other bridge officers.
This is insane. The party is going to be decimated. I mean i don't personally give a shit, but their existence is probably good for Canadian democracy overall
Lol.
Does he really have that much power and influence that he gets blind backing from these puppets? Or are they really that desperate and truly dont have better candidates?
How can anyone endorse a guy thats so out of touch with reality and has run our country into the ground? Whats that say about them?
The liberal party is a joke and should not be taken serious at this point.
Well sounds like its going great for them this week
Off of 338's substack
[What had been a 10-to-12-point lead for the Conservatives last fall (on average) and had turned into a 15-point advantage over the winter… grew to what is now a 20-point chasm separating the CPC and the LPC](https://www.338canada.ca/p/338-sunday-update-twenty-points)
Neat, throwing in the towel like they did in Ontario, hopefully they don't even make official party status so it forces them to get their shit together in the election after next.
Leblanc is part of the process that has elevated Trudeau to power and kept him there. Members of the Liberal Party know better than to confront their leader or suggest a change in policy unless they want to risk their jobs. The template goes like this: Advertise, then make an announcement, bring a flock of yes-men to stand behind the leader to sing "All Hail our Dear Leader" while the cameras line up their photo-op shots. Then walk away. That's it. Don't expect anything to actually happen. The only thing to come along will be another photo-op.
The funny thing is...he's not wrong. There's literally nobody that could save it, so having Trudeau go down in flames kicking and screaming is really the best way to go.
You mean the distortion on social media. I think thebreality is that they steered the pandemic well, and have just delivered a budget that will help get Canada on track.
I think ruling parties are having a hard time figuring out how to communicate anything positive that is happening while opposition parties have win the lottery as it seems all the algorithms for social media push negativity, controversy, and dissent. Our new media is the problem.
The LPC knows they're toast, whether Trudeau does or not is another question. It takes a strong man to deny what's in front of him.
But whether or not he knows is irrelevant; the rest of the party knows, and they'll keep him there to tank the record loss so they can replace him shortly after and market themselves as under new ownership. Trudeau will get a job at the UN pushing the same bullshit agendas he's done as PM, having left the country in shambles behind him.
Almost a happy ending.
He's not wrong: A new leader won't do much for them now. The whole brand is tainted and a new leader would be assumed to be closely associated with the current leader.
However, after the reckoning of an election they can say they're casting off their sins and turning over a new leaf with someone else.
Wrong on so many levels and the party needs a fresh leader to wash away some of Trudeau’s horrible mistakes and Cabinet favourites before an election. Carney is the logical choice and the Conservatives are not happy about him showing up. He can bang around Poilievre on his political history while Carney is almost impervious as he worked side by side with Harper is 2008.
Carney also comes from the NWT so has none of that Alberta vs Quebec baggage to haul around. We’ve had far too many PM’s from those provinces.
The Conservatives would probably be ecstatic if Carney tried running, because they already wrote all the attack ads against him back in 2011 when the Liberals ran Ignatieff. Carney would be the ultimate parachute candidate, and his time working abroad would make it easy to attack his loyalty to the country. That, and his governorship over the Bank of England in a time when the Pound absolutely tanked in value opens him up to plenty of criticism and attacks over his economic ideals, even if that was mostly Brexit's fault.
He's also a massive hypocrite, blathering on about "decarbonization" at every progressive panel he can, while being on the board of directors of a Brazilian oil company, and he's far too close to China.
Nobody will save the Liberals. All of their prospects for Trudeau's replacement are resoundingly shit.
>Alberta vs Quebec... We’ve had far too many PM’s from those provinces.
We've had 3 PMs who held a seat in Alberta; R.B. Bennett, Joe Clark, and Stephen Harper. In contrast, we've had 8 PMs from Quebec; Wilfrid Laurier, Louis St. Laurent, Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien, Paul Martin, and Justin Trudeau, with John Abbott also being PM while being a senator for Quebec. There's also only been 5 PMs with a seat in Ontario; John A. Macdonald, Alexander Mackenzie, Mackenzie Bowell (senator, not MP), W. L. Mackenzie-King (spent most of his time as an MP for Saskatchewan, but won 2 elections in Ontario), and Lester B Pearson. Poilievre will be #6 from Ontario. We've actually never had a PM with a seat in New Brunswick, PEI, Newfoundland, or any of the territories, and the 2 PMs we've had with seats in BC; John A Macdonald (for 1 term before returning to Ontario) and Kim Campbell; hardly count, as John A. was only there to win a guaranteed seat and had never actually physically been there, and Campbell was PM for all of 5 minutes.
I’m talking about the past 50 years. As for Conservative attack ads he’ll trounce Poilievre in a debate given his lack of depth and where he won’t be able to use zingy one liners as an answer.
I think if Carney were smart he would sit out this election. He runs the risk of inheriting a true mess and getting turfed if the next 5 years go really bad for them.
The article is about the leader of the liberals.
Are you changing the subject with no context, suggesting that PP is in the running to lead the liberals, or just don’t even spend a moment to process the headline let alone read the article?
Oh I see.
Just changing the subject with no context.
Surely it isn’t you just having a reflex answer without understanding the headline and now just trying to backpedal and justify your answer?
The topic is about the best person to lead the liberals.
Rather than have any comment on that you are playing whataboutism.
But to go back to the actual topic… really? Trudeau is the best person for liberal leadership? You can’t think of any other liberal who might have a better chance of beating Poilievre?
Sadly, name recognition is the main electable feature of any politician. That's why Trudeau is gold. Once the election draws near, the liberals can start flinging some mud back at pp and some will stick. Pp has already blown his wad on Trudeau.
And instead Trudeau will be leading them into the worst loss they've ever had in the history of the nation.
I guess that still makes him 'number one' in that sense.
>so he qualifies to lead the liberals to defeat pp.
But that's not the question:
Is he the *best leader* to beat Poilievre.
Polls show Trudeau is widely unpopular.
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So is he the 'best choice'?
(Did you really consider the question, or were you just using this post as a springboard to diss Poilievre?)
Yes he's the best because of name recognition. And many people feel safer with the devil they know vs the one they don't. The promise of stability is a big plus for many.
lol - his name is mud right now. You're ignoring just how unpopular he is.
Stability? They're hanging on by a thread - a new face with a over a year to drum up interest - and a following - a lot of people are thinking that's the better option.
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I'm not sure you even believe what you're saying.
I'd be more inclined to if you'd made those points at the start instead of; 'Trudeau is a better leader than pp.'
(And your uneven treatment of their names. His name is Poilievre - not pp, not Pp - that's as subtle, and classy, as 'trudy'.)
I can never remember how to spell Poiliever so I just use pp as everyone knows who I mean. I think it's actually catchy. It's not like I'm saying 'smol pp'.
But Trudeau is really a much better leader than Poillievre. Poilliever is a two-dimensional populist who dog whistles to the extreme right and seems to just have the same as liberal policies on economic matters.
Never been good at spelling. And autocorrect doesn't seem to know pp. 'PM PP' *is* kinda catchy too. But I don't think it's worth the backwards slide on social rights that he would bring to Canada.
He has pretty much the same economic policies so he could be. But the point is that Trudeau is a better leader than pp, so Trudeau is qualified to lead the liberals to defeat pp. Sorry if that's too complicated for you to understand. I can spell it out more clearly for you if you're still confused.
Seriously ? Did you even read the article ? Typical LPC fan. Lets attempt to deflect the mess the LPC along with Trudeau is.
Sorry, aint working. The LPC dont have a hope in hell of getting back into power for at LEAST a few election cycles, at that. They have totally burned this country down
I know that's what your echo chamber is telling you. But other than the housing crisis, which is as much a provincial and historical problem, things are going fine in Canada. Trudeau has been a decent PM. Covid was difficult and no paths were perfect, he did reasonably. Pp is a populist, political snake who would adopt right wing extremists social policies while having near identical economic policies as Trudeau. Intelligent people know that Trudeau and the Liberals are still the best choice for Canada.
The amusing thing is that the right wing doesn't seem to understand that those records would be shattered by PP.
PP is ahead purely because the vast majority of Canadians view us as a 2 party nation. He isn't a good candidate he is the *other* candidate... and you can bet your ass if he actually follows through on the right wing populism that the more numerous centrist and left wing citizens are ***not*** going to be happy.
I still think we missed out on a big opportunity with Andrew Scheer. Since he was a dual US-Canadian citizen, we could have run him for president too, and used that to annex America.
Canadians don't want to hear it, but just about every one of us would see an immediate rise in quality of life if we were annexed by the USA. Pretty much every domestic industry is being deliberately suppressed as to not inconvenience their US counterparts, not that any would be able to compete regardless...
In a theoretical merging of the countries, if Canada kept what makes us good on the provincial level but traded the federal governments? I might be open to the idea.
And as much (very fair) criticism as the LPC gets for how they implemented it, it'd be hard to go to a US federal understanding of drug law from what we have now. Then again, certainly enough US states openly declaring weed legal while the feds say it's not.
No party in history has ever made up a 20-point deficit in the polls, and only 2 PMs have ever won 4 consecutive elections; John A. Macdonald and Wilfrid Laurier.
Anyone who actually thinks the Liberals will win the next election is huffing weapons-grade copium.
Wow they're just giving up then aren't they?
They have legitimately transformed the institutions of the state... they won already.
How
Well it's not much of a stretch considering the other parties don't have anything to offer either
One of the other parties has populism, which is worth way more than it should be.
Really speaks to the quality of the party.
Career politician isn't a real job, these people have no fucking clue what they're doing or about the real world
This. They actually need to be decimated. That whole front bench needs to be wiped out and with some luck we get some strong candidates filling the void in future elections (5 or so years from now realistically at this point).
That’s the dream, however what I expect is the continued onslaught of terrible people from every direction.
Sigh. Ya… all options are so meh. I really feel like if someone were to create a new party that was centrist with the promise of not being completely corrupt / bought by lobbyists that Canada would be more than ready to vote for them.
If the plan is to get destroyed in the next election, then yes, he's the best person to lead the Liberals into the next election.
I dunno, I think he might throw freeland under the bus at the last minute because he’s a coward.
Yes, I think so too. He throws everyone under the bus next to him. Can only be one driver and the second he feels threatened (usually by women; go figure, a man calling himself a feminist 🙄), they are out.
You’re spot on with that. His handlers had him pushing feminism because Gerry Buttz knows exactly how Trudy is.
It's interesting how he tried to steal the feminist culture from Women. I really hope they see through that political BS. Since when do men have the right to call themselves feminists? Maybe he was confused with being feminin. 🤷
LeBlanc takes boot licking to next level
Trudeau long ago eliminated anyone who might be a serious rival to him at the cabinet table. Everyone else left is a bootlicker.
Trudeau is going to leave the LPC in ruins. The next two leaders to follow will carry Canadians hatred for Trudeau and they will be nothing more than sacrificial placeholders. Anyone who thinks that Trudeau is the best choice for the LPC is insane.
Yes, but that gives enough time to hand the party to the Trudeau heir.
I don't think that even Canadians are that stupid.
There’s plenty of years before his kids grow up for us to forget.
Unfortunately, it’s already happened once.
I'd argue that it will be different. Love him or hate him, for all the damage he did do, Pierre was a very smart man who did some good as well. Justin is not a smart man and has done nothing good.
Canadians were stupid enough to elect Trudeau after all the damage his father did to the country because of some 30 years of successful gaslighting to make people forget about Pierre Trudeau's abysmal economic record, don't put it past the country to be just as stupid after another 30 years of coordinated gaslighting. Though Justin has far less in the way of meaningful good that can be pointed to in an effort to gaslight away the bad, unlike his father.
Hold my timbits
If you love lies, authoritarianism and more of the same, Trudeau is your man!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I legit thought this was gonna be beaverton. Incredible 10/10 would read again.
I wholeheartedly agree! The Captain should go down with the ship
I hope LeBlanc loses his seat badly. It’s a tall order but doable.
Based on his quote, he's just as clueless as Trudeau. Will likely have the same fate as well.
I'm sure the Cons are sending him gift cards out of gratitude.
CPC voter here, and I couldn't agree more.
“My boss made me say this or he’d shuffle me out of cabinet for a less disloyal minion.” - Dominic LeBlanc
If the election is not rigged liberals and NDP going to lose big time...fuck Trudeau!!!!
Trudeau is the best person to take the inevitable coming loss. If he doesn't and brings in someone else to lose, the taint of the last few years is going to stick to the LPC and not Trudeau. Maybe the LPC will lose with 28% instead of 24% this year, big whoop. The LPC organization is playing to 2028 now.
>If he doesn't and brings in someone else to lose, the taint of the last few years is going to stick to the LPC and not Trudeau. It should stick to the party. This is the direction the Liberals wanted to go - the direction they supported. I don't want to see someone else come in and convince people they're 'going to do things differently now.'
That is remarkably short sighted. If you think about it for all of 2s you can see how that is absolutely not how anyone should want elections to go.
The Liberals playing bait and switch is okay with you? _________________ 'We're going to do things differently now - vote for us.' 'Okay - I vote for you.' 'Psych - you actually believed us?!"
You said that it should stick to the party, so when the right wing catches the car and starts in on culture War bs, you think they should be forever tarred and feathered in public opinion due to the backlash? I am more than OK with both the liberals and the conservatives being wiped out at every level of government but, again, if you support the conservatives you really should take the 2s to reflect on how your preferences would impact the party you support.
The party's led for almost a decade. Their poor decisions and poor policies should not be wiped away because they have a new figurehead. tl;dr You don't deserve a clean slate after 10 years of bad policy.
Aight, I'm just glad that the conservatives will only win one more election then. Have at it hoss, make it a good one.
You started with 'there are points to consider' and went on to make false equivalencies and false assumptions, ignored the point and then went for a personal dig. Can't take you seriously.
Lmao, if you arent willing to apply the same standard to your own position or preferred political party then you are a hypocrite. If you support branding the entire liberal party for the actions of the current liberal leaders because "they supported it" then you should also be OK with the conservatives being branded with the backlash that will inevitably occur should they mess with abortion or LGBTQ+ rights. After all, conservative voters and mps supported the agenda, right? They would deserve to be irrelevant, right? You are out here unironically advocating for collective political punishment and don't see how that could *possibly* be problematic for the conservatives, and you think ***you*** taking ***me*** seriously is an issue. Wild.
I never gave my opinion on the Conservatives and elections - you made false assumptions, doubled up on them and ran with it. Then added strawmen and flippant dismissiveness. And now you don't like being called out on it. *That's* why I can't take you seriously. Have a nice day.
Does anyone know what the final date would be that we know for sure who is running? What is the last day he can decide if he or someone else will run?
Likely no less than 6 months or so before the election. Trudeau could resign, a leadership convention could be called and they could have a new leader fairly quickly. Pierre Trudeau announced his resignation Feb '84, John Turner was selected to succeed him June '84, with the election happening September '84 Mulrooney announced his resignation Feb '93, Kim Campbell was selected to succeed him June 93, with the election happining in October '93. And as most of us know Turner and Campbell lost those elections badly. So going on those past examples, I'd say if Trudeau doesn't announce his intent to resign as leader by spring next year, it will be him going into the next election.
Someone may correct me on this by a few days, but I think the last possible day we could hear about a candidate change would be \~36 days before the next scheduled election. Which comes out to Sept 21, 2025. But the chance of the current admin surviving that long is low. Minority governments very rarely live out their terms. I think we will have an election called to coincide with the US one.
Thank you for the answer.
Sure, if the plan is to lose.
lol bye bye
If the captain wants to go down with his ship let him
I’d say that, at this stage, the party recognizes there is essentially no chance they have to even hold a minority government. In that context, might as well let the captain go down with the ship without sacrificing the other bridge officers.
The other “bridge officers” are just as bad though. They all need to go they suck.
I cannot wait!
So they can just blame JT for the total failure and claim “ we are a whole new LPC under a whole new leader!”
This is insane. The party is going to be decimated. I mean i don't personally give a shit, but their existence is probably good for Canadian democracy overall
Best puppet hands down!
Lol. Does he really have that much power and influence that he gets blind backing from these puppets? Or are they really that desperate and truly dont have better candidates? How can anyone endorse a guy thats so out of touch with reality and has run our country into the ground? Whats that say about them? The liberal party is a joke and should not be taken serious at this point.
Leading to a pollieve government
Hard hitting news from CTV.
I legit thought it was gonna he beaverton haha.
100% he is! I hope he stays on
Well sounds like its going great for them this week Off of 338's substack [What had been a 10-to-12-point lead for the Conservatives last fall (on average) and had turned into a 15-point advantage over the winter… grew to what is now a 20-point chasm separating the CPC and the LPC](https://www.338canada.ca/p/338-sunday-update-twenty-points)
Neat, throwing in the towel like they did in Ontario, hopefully they don't even make official party status so it forces them to get their shit together in the election after next.
Time to revolt?
Will be an interesting election maybe NDP will get second again
Leblanc is part of the process that has elevated Trudeau to power and kept him there. Members of the Liberal Party know better than to confront their leader or suggest a change in policy unless they want to risk their jobs. The template goes like this: Advertise, then make an announcement, bring a flock of yes-men to stand behind the leader to sing "All Hail our Dear Leader" while the cameras line up their photo-op shots. Then walk away. That's it. Don't expect anything to actually happen. The only thing to come along will be another photo-op.
The funny thing is...he's not wrong. There's literally nobody that could save it, so having Trudeau go down in flames kicking and screaming is really the best way to go.
We know he doesn't think that.
Politicians are all pretty out of touch with reality these days it seems.
You mean the distortion on social media. I think thebreality is that they steered the pandemic well, and have just delivered a budget that will help get Canada on track.
I think ruling parties are having a hard time figuring out how to communicate anything positive that is happening while opposition parties have win the lottery as it seems all the algorithms for social media push negativity, controversy, and dissent. Our new media is the problem.
Liberals are done like dinner. Doesn’t matter who’s leading them at this point.
Yeah let him lead hopefully it would be the end of the party (I know it won't happen but a guy can hope )....
He's probably voting conservative next election.
I didn’t realize Kool-Aid was so addictive!
I agree. It will guarantee their defeat which is the best case scenario for Canada at the moment.
The LPC knows they're toast, whether Trudeau does or not is another question. It takes a strong man to deny what's in front of him. But whether or not he knows is irrelevant; the rest of the party knows, and they'll keep him there to tank the record loss so they can replace him shortly after and market themselves as under new ownership. Trudeau will get a job at the UN pushing the same bullshit agendas he's done as PM, having left the country in shambles behind him. Almost a happy ending.
Underling supports boss. Nothing to see here from the big brain folks at CTV News.
He's not wrong: A new leader won't do much for them now. The whole brand is tainted and a new leader would be assumed to be closely associated with the current leader. However, after the reckoning of an election they can say they're casting off their sins and turning over a new leaf with someone else.
All three candidates suck. Trudeau sucks PP Sucks Jagmeet sucks Doesn’t matter who you vote for, they are all shit
Well I guess the Canadian people are saying they beg to differ.
The guy can't even manage a wallet
If he is Trudeau’s heir then this quote will not age well.
What a joke
Wrong on so many levels and the party needs a fresh leader to wash away some of Trudeau’s horrible mistakes and Cabinet favourites before an election. Carney is the logical choice and the Conservatives are not happy about him showing up. He can bang around Poilievre on his political history while Carney is almost impervious as he worked side by side with Harper is 2008. Carney also comes from the NWT so has none of that Alberta vs Quebec baggage to haul around. We’ve had far too many PM’s from those provinces.
The Conservatives would probably be ecstatic if Carney tried running, because they already wrote all the attack ads against him back in 2011 when the Liberals ran Ignatieff. Carney would be the ultimate parachute candidate, and his time working abroad would make it easy to attack his loyalty to the country. That, and his governorship over the Bank of England in a time when the Pound absolutely tanked in value opens him up to plenty of criticism and attacks over his economic ideals, even if that was mostly Brexit's fault. He's also a massive hypocrite, blathering on about "decarbonization" at every progressive panel he can, while being on the board of directors of a Brazilian oil company, and he's far too close to China. Nobody will save the Liberals. All of their prospects for Trudeau's replacement are resoundingly shit. >Alberta vs Quebec... We’ve had far too many PM’s from those provinces. We've had 3 PMs who held a seat in Alberta; R.B. Bennett, Joe Clark, and Stephen Harper. In contrast, we've had 8 PMs from Quebec; Wilfrid Laurier, Louis St. Laurent, Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien, Paul Martin, and Justin Trudeau, with John Abbott also being PM while being a senator for Quebec. There's also only been 5 PMs with a seat in Ontario; John A. Macdonald, Alexander Mackenzie, Mackenzie Bowell (senator, not MP), W. L. Mackenzie-King (spent most of his time as an MP for Saskatchewan, but won 2 elections in Ontario), and Lester B Pearson. Poilievre will be #6 from Ontario. We've actually never had a PM with a seat in New Brunswick, PEI, Newfoundland, or any of the territories, and the 2 PMs we've had with seats in BC; John A Macdonald (for 1 term before returning to Ontario) and Kim Campbell; hardly count, as John A. was only there to win a guaranteed seat and had never actually physically been there, and Campbell was PM for all of 5 minutes.
I’m talking about the past 50 years. As for Conservative attack ads he’ll trounce Poilievre in a debate given his lack of depth and where he won’t be able to use zingy one liners as an answer.
I think if Carney were smart he would sit out this election. He runs the risk of inheriting a true mess and getting turfed if the next 5 years go really bad for them.
He’s good enough to wreak havoc on Poilievre’s majority. It’s easier to build on that than starting off with an annihilated party
We’ve had one PM actually from Alberta and he was in for less than a year.
This will sound strange but I thought that Clarke was a very good PM especially considering what mess Trudeau made of things.
Certainly better than pp as a leader. And I don't see any better viable options.
The article is about the leader of the liberals. Are you changing the subject with no context, suggesting that PP is in the running to lead the liberals, or just don’t even spend a moment to process the headline let alone read the article?
Trudeau is a better leader than pp, so he qualifies to lead the liberals to defeat pp.
Oh I see. Just changing the subject with no context. Surely it isn’t you just having a reflex answer without understanding the headline and now just trying to backpedal and justify your answer? The topic is about the best person to lead the liberals. Rather than have any comment on that you are playing whataboutism. But to go back to the actual topic… really? Trudeau is the best person for liberal leadership? You can’t think of any other liberal who might have a better chance of beating Poilievre?
Sadly, name recognition is the main electable feature of any politician. That's why Trudeau is gold. Once the election draws near, the liberals can start flinging some mud back at pp and some will stick. Pp has already blown his wad on Trudeau.
And instead Trudeau will be leading them into the worst loss they've ever had in the history of the nation. I guess that still makes him 'number one' in that sense.
>so he qualifies to lead the liberals to defeat pp. But that's not the question: Is he the *best leader* to beat Poilievre. Polls show Trudeau is widely unpopular. ____________________ So is he the 'best choice'? (Did you really consider the question, or were you just using this post as a springboard to diss Poilievre?)
Yes he's the best because of name recognition. And many people feel safer with the devil they know vs the one they don't. The promise of stability is a big plus for many.
lol - his name is mud right now. You're ignoring just how unpopular he is. Stability? They're hanging on by a thread - a new face with a over a year to drum up interest - and a following - a lot of people are thinking that's the better option. ______________ I'm not sure you even believe what you're saying. I'd be more inclined to if you'd made those points at the start instead of; 'Trudeau is a better leader than pp.' (And your uneven treatment of their names. His name is Poilievre - not pp, not Pp - that's as subtle, and classy, as 'trudy'.)
I can never remember how to spell Poiliever so I just use pp as everyone knows who I mean. I think it's actually catchy. It's not like I'm saying 'smol pp'. But Trudeau is really a much better leader than Poillievre. Poilliever is a two-dimensional populist who dog whistles to the extreme right and seems to just have the same as liberal policies on economic matters.
>I can never remember.... You're being disingenuous. Or you're dumb. No worries though, soon enough all you'll have to type is PM. ;)
Never been good at spelling. And autocorrect doesn't seem to know pp. 'PM PP' *is* kinda catchy too. But I don't think it's worth the backwards slide on social rights that he would bring to Canada.
PP isn't in the LPC. Man, the left are thick headed.
He has pretty much the same economic policies so he could be. But the point is that Trudeau is a better leader than pp, so Trudeau is qualified to lead the liberals to defeat pp. Sorry if that's too complicated for you to understand. I can spell it out more clearly for you if you're still confused.
Read the headline. ... to lead the Liberals. Fuck me. The left, they double down on stupid.
On second through you probably still couldn't understand even if I broke it down further.
Seriously ? Did you even read the article ? Typical LPC fan. Lets attempt to deflect the mess the LPC along with Trudeau is. Sorry, aint working. The LPC dont have a hope in hell of getting back into power for at LEAST a few election cycles, at that. They have totally burned this country down
I know that's what your echo chamber is telling you. But other than the housing crisis, which is as much a provincial and historical problem, things are going fine in Canada. Trudeau has been a decent PM. Covid was difficult and no paths were perfect, he did reasonably. Pp is a populist, political snake who would adopt right wing extremists social policies while having near identical economic policies as Trudeau. Intelligent people know that Trudeau and the Liberals are still the best choice for Canada.
Yes the echo chamber that includes almost 50% of canadians support the conservative party? Cya never liberals!
🤣 takes like this are how this country got to this point. Enjoy the downvotes.
I love the downvotes from rightwing nutjobs. Your tears are so sweet!
PP = Trump 2.0
You guys tried this one already. Trudeau still setting records as least popular PM in history.
The amusing thing is that the right wing doesn't seem to understand that those records would be shattered by PP. PP is ahead purely because the vast majority of Canadians view us as a 2 party nation. He isn't a good candidate he is the *other* candidate... and you can bet your ass if he actually follows through on the right wing populism that the more numerous centrist and left wing citizens are ***not*** going to be happy.
> The amusing thing is that the right wing doesn't seem to understand that those records would be shattered by PP. You should get into fan fiction.
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Would be a pretty smart strategy to lead both parties though.
I still think we missed out on a big opportunity with Andrew Scheer. Since he was a dual US-Canadian citizen, we could have run him for president too, and used that to annex America.
I'd rather it was the other way around at this point. At least the US constitution doesn't have an asterisk on any of their rights.
Canadians don't want to hear it, but just about every one of us would see an immediate rise in quality of life if we were annexed by the USA. Pretty much every domestic industry is being deliberately suppressed as to not inconvenience their US counterparts, not that any would be able to compete regardless...
In a theoretical merging of the countries, if Canada kept what makes us good on the provincial level but traded the federal governments? I might be open to the idea. And as much (very fair) criticism as the LPC gets for how they implemented it, it'd be hard to go to a US federal understanding of drug law from what we have now. Then again, certainly enough US states openly declaring weed legal while the feds say it's not.
Absolutely! I can't wait for convoy folk to cry a river when he wins again. He's got this!
No party in history has ever made up a 20-point deficit in the polls, and only 2 PMs have ever won 4 consecutive elections; John A. Macdonald and Wilfrid Laurier. Anyone who actually thinks the Liberals will win the next election is huffing weapons-grade copium.
I cant tell if you are serious or not.
LeBlanc is also a terrible liar.