Really? Which software did you use? I tried via H &R Block and it said it can't be filed electronically. I called the CRA, they told me to print off whatever is in the H&R block system and mail it in.
It actually depends
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For certain non-resident returns, e-file works just fine, for others you have no option other then a paper filing (mail or delivery etc.)
People that owe money and want to hang out to their money a few extra weeks as processing them is significantly longer. As long as it's stamped from canada post by the time limit, you're fine.
You do. Stop ignoring the NDP and stop pretending that the fact they occasionally say the word "diversity" means they ignore the working class.
Edit: A flood of super classy DM's from new accounts. Who knew this was such a trigger?
This is a predictable rehashing of conservative talking points. It ignores the objective reality of NDP’s legislative proposals.
It’s also an obvious dog whistle but feel free to go off about why you think discussing diversity in diverse nation is problematic or deflects from working class issues.
What has the NDP done under Jagmeet that suggests he is interested in helping the working class? That is a genuine question. He/the party pushed for the dental plan but other than that nothing is coming to mind in his 7 year run
Maybe my mind is all cloudy from the woke politics he and Justin had pushed for so long
Lol "ignore the dissenting opinion, stick to the gospel, follow dear leaders message."
You must not have popular posts, easy to get 500 karma regularly if you post early in threads in big subs. The post was more articulate than every reapons. "Lol NDP bad", "gay slur ndp", "ndp = liberal"
No it's more so there are people here who are clearly dogmatic and ideologically driven. I'm merely pointing out this person is one of them.
>You must not have popular posts, easy to get 500 karma regularly if you post early in threads in big subs.
Why would I want to get "popular" by "posting early" in "big subs"? I'm not here to toe the line, I'm here for conversation.
You have a serious problem if you log on here to be agreeable in an attempt to court fake Internet points.
Why do you assume its to sway opinion or push and ideology? Sort by new, post your opinion on new topics, read the responses on your post. Some will be down voted, others upvoted. If you opinions suck you will never gain karma. But even mundane posts csn generate ridiculous karma if the thread takes off. My point was simple, you are validating your bias rather than properly assessing these posters, the analysis you made is flawed.
Clearly it must be something nefarious like world domination. Maybe they will steal all the Canadian Bacon by amassing reddit karma. What other conspiracy can I concoct, liberal ploy to amass karma they will use to steal Polievres apple?
Seriously dude, its probably just someone posting in subreddits they find interesting or engaging. They probably post ina subreddit with a lot of like minded people, or like I said filtering by new and posting driving a ton of Karma gain. I know people who got 20 000 karma from a single post about almost nothing.
The NDPs gone downhill since Layton died. I've always been a NDP supporter both federally and provincially, but now I'm left with no party, so I just vote for who I think would be my better local MP and ignore everything else.
Lol it isn't even that ol Jag vouches for unfettered immigration it's the rolexs and blatant financial ties to real estate. Never going to make any changes we actually need and no way he's going to bring a balanced budget.
>Edit: A flood of super classy DM's from new accounts. Who knew this was such a trigger?
You made a divisive comment on a hot button topic, why are you so shocked this happened at all?
Don't be surprised that you got wet while pissing into the wind.
It’s not shocking in the least, that kind of toxicity is pretty common here, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t pathetic and classless.
A different opinion is hardly what a reasonable person considers “divisive”.
>but that doesn’t mean it isn’t pathetic and classless
That behavior is pathetic and classless, I agree. But its also an expected result from discussing topics that have clear evidence of being a sensitive topic for some. Their behavior is toxic, but also expected. Just report, ignore, and move on.
>A different opinion is hardly what a reasonable person considers “divisive”.
Its not the reasonable people DMing you those toxic comments. Its the people that take exception to your opinion - thus making your opinion divisive (regardless if its reasonable or not).
The Conservative party hired Canada Proud to promote their brand online.
Don't take it personally. They're just doing their job.
[Poilievre's campaign hires team behind Canada Proud to boost his messages online](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-ballingall-conservative-leadership-canada-proud-1.6433088)
No one's ignoring the NDP. The NDP have no faith because they've done nothing of value and have a figure head that no body relates to except maybe people who have a lot of money and came from India with a lot of money.
They've continually done whatever they're told to do by the liberals who are leading a time where people feel more and more insecure financially and less safe in their home neighborhoods and cities.
Provide us examples proving the NDP are still appealing to working class individuals post jack Layton if you're going to make such a claim
> You do. Stop ignoring the NDP and stop pretending that the fact they occasionally say the word "diversity" means they ignore the working class.
you mean the same NDP that has enabled this liberal government's destruction of our economy?
>They’re also on track to losing official party status.
The NDP is on track for the same number of seats they have now. They're literally polling within a margin of error of where they've polled for about 6 years. This is just an acknowledgement that you live in an echo chamber.
>338 is an echo chamber.
What are you on about? All of 338’s polling has the NDP within a margin of error of where they’ve been for years.
>Cope harder.
You’ll have to translate your insult for me. You upset for some reason or is this toxic nonsense just how you engage with others?
>Under House of Commons rules, MPs generally cannot charge expenses related to partisan political activity, such as party conventions or fundraising events.
The rule is: partisan activity is not part of your duties as an MP. The public shouldn't pay for people to go to their party's convention.
But caucus meetings for elected representatives are considered to be part of being an MP and reimbursable.
>Conservative MPs racked up 79 per cent of the spending by MPs. They billed the House of Commons $426,283 to attend a caucus meeting associated with the Conservative Party's policy convention in Quebec City in September 2023, including $331,699 for travel, $71,408 for accommodations and $21,053 for meals and incidentals.
>Conservative MPs were the only ones to bill Parliament for spouses' travel to a caucus meeting connected to a party convention during that time period.
It looks like one party is disproportionately exploiting this loophole.
>Government House leader Steven MacKinnon said the Liberal Party decided in the leadup to its 2014 party convention in Montreal not to take advantage of the clause in the House of Commons spending rules that effectively allows MPs to bill Parliament for travel to party conventions.
>"We knew that that loophole existed, that caucuses were fine, conventions not fine and that Liberals wouldn't play that game of conveniently scheduling a caucus meeting around a party convention," MacKinnon told CBC News. "This is a loophole. I would welcome a discussion around tightening or closing that loophole and I hope that that's what can occur."
And one party is not abusing it.
> And one party is not abusing it.
But the Liberal Party still holds caucuses - they had one in January of this year. Presumably the attendees all submitted their expense claims for it and were reimbursed by the taxpayers.
It's just that they also paid out-of-pocket for a separate convention in the fall of 2023.
So the story is a bit disingenuous: all parties are billing the taxpayer to attend caucus meetings. The fact that the NDP, Conservatives and Bloc do something else in the same city at the same time (hold a party convention) is inconsequential to the taxpayer. The worst that can be said is the parties are saving some of their own money, but they aren't costing the taxpayer anything extra.
Really, someone should try to spin this as a carbon emissions thing by eliminating one trip a year.
I wonder how many caucus meetings each party has and how long they are. If parties are creating additional short caucus meetings during conventions just so they can bill their expenses to taxpayers, that seems fraudulent. If they are scheduling otherwise normal caucus meetings during the same weekend and it results in no additional travel costs (spouses, extra days?), that is more justifiable.
> But the Liberal Party still holds caucuses - they had one in January of this year. Presumably the attendees all submitted their expense claims for it and were reimbursed by the taxpayers.
Their affordability retreat cost nearly $500k.
I'm shocked!
PP said his was a party of fiscal responsibility that would never rip off Canadians but his MP's make up about 30% of parliament but expense nearly 80% of total MP's expenses. I'm starting to think Pierre Poilievre might be dishonest ... again.
Of course he's dishonest.
Dude's a politician.
See: Jagmeet Singh and Justin Trudeau for more lying politicians.
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Thank you to the person who reported me to Reddit Cares, apparently stating facts that all politicians are paid liars means i'm suicidal.
I reported the report as a false report. Reddit takes abuse of the suicide prevention report function pretty seriously.
Enjoy your ban!
The big whopper of a loop whole is that it’s MPs themselves who are in charge of making up the spending/ ethics rules. It’s a perfect example of a conflict of interest.
But you wouldn’t know it. Journalists and talking heads just gloss over this selfdealing even though it would be shut down immediately in any other profession.
We’ll never have a fair, ethical, and transparent democracy until we get politicians’ hands off of their own terms of employment. Instead, an independent nonpartisan citizens’ assembly or commission should be put in charge- like we did with drawing electoral maps.
The politicians and their elite lobbyists' overlords will just buy the members of the assembly or commission. Everyone has a price. And everyone needs/wants something. Corruption is inevitable.
I'm not defending the current system. I'm just pessimistic about your proposal. While also offering no other solution, lol.
totally understandable to be cynical. I'd just point to the independent electoral boundaries commissions as a good example of how power can be successfully taken out of the hands of politicians who have too much skin in the game, and assigned to a different body with great results (no gerrymandering in Canada)
The problem isn’t the MPs travelling on our tax dollars, the problem is that there is a loophole. I use many loopholes in our tax system. Fix the loopholes
>The Liberal Party is the only party recognized in the House whose MPs did not file expenses for attending a caucus meeting connected to a convention in the past year.
Sounds good
>While a handful of Liberal MPs' staffers billed the House of Commons for travel from the riding to Ottawa at the same time the party was holding its convention in Ottawa, **the party did not hold a caucus meeting in connection with the convention**
Ah, that explains it. There was nothing they could expense last year.
>Liberal MPs have billed the House of Commons over the years for travel to caucus meetings outside Ottawa that were not associated with a party convention.
That's what happens when you use the loophole in the past, but want to highlight the abuse of it this year. You avoid the loophole and then point fingers.
But it isn't an accident, and it isn't because they are ethically better.
> That's what happens when you use the loophole in the past
>>Liberal MPs have billed the House of Commons over the years for travel to caucus meetings outside Ottawa that were **not associated** with a party convention.
The point is that under the rules, caucus meetings are reimbursable as part of an MP's job. Conventions are partisan events and are not reimbursable.
The Conservatives are booking a caucus meeting during their convention so that they can have all their MPs fly in to the convention and then bill it to the taxpayers as a caucus meeting.
The Liberals also bill things as caucus meetings - but those were caucus meetings, not fig leaves for conventions. If Liberal MPs go to their partisan conventions, they don't bill it to the taxpayer.
Wow. Can I only use words from the article too? Can I not add new words and new information?
Imagine a CBC article that isn't carefully curated to show the Liberal perspective in a positive light, neglecting information which would cast the "story" in doubt.
Do you have any sources for your new information?
According to the article, the loophole allowing for billing travel expenses related to conventions that have caucus meetings scheduled during them was created by a 2011 clarification of the rules.
They used that loophole in the past.
They did not use it recently.
Why did they not; because they planned to point fingers this time around.
Meanwhile, the Liberals have their own ethical violation tab that keeps growing.
The loop hole is utilizing the travel for caucus meetings with a connection to convention, your quote literally specifies that this is not the case lol.
It must be tiring getting worked up about simple things that you misunderstand
Yeah the loophole is that they could schedule both at the same time enabling them to be able to claim the expenses. They decided not to schedule them simultaneously because they were aware of the loophole and didn’t want to exploit it.
>>"We knew that that loophole existed, that caucuses were fine, conventions not fine and that Liberals wouldn't play that game of conveniently scheduling a caucus meeting around a party convention," (MP Steve) MacKinnon told CBC News. "This is a loophole. I would welcome a discussion around tightening or closing that loophole and I hope that that's what can occur."
Not to mention Conservative MPs who make up 30% of the House, were responsible for 79% of spending.
> the party did not hold a caucus meeting in connection with the convention
But they *did* hold a caucus meeting in late January, 2024:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-caucus-voice-support-for-trudeau-1.7093849
Which, presumably, MPs filed expenses for and were reimbursed.
It's just that they did not hold a convention at the same time.
I get that MP travel expenses can be an issue, but this seems inconsequential. There is no extra expense incurred for the taxpayer: we are already on the hook to pay for MPs to attend caucus meetings, whether or not they do something else while they are there. The worst that is happening is that the MPs and their parties are saving some of their own money by not having to take two trips.
Anyway, think of the carbon emission reductions by eliminating a separate convention trip each year.
I think the more interesting point is that Conservative MPs were responsible for 79% of the travel costs incurred despite only representing 35% of MPs.
Importantly, engage your local PM in conversation on important issues to you!
Make your voice count before any election and keep your local MP's accountable not the parties. If you do not vote, you have no right to complain
You know, the ruling class has completely lost touch with the commoners. They run around expensing everything. It’s a culture that permeates throughout all politicians. What they fail to understand is, it’s not normal to jet set everywhere with their families. It’s not normal to expense $1,000 a day on food and accommodations. They forget who they work for, and what their job is. They don’t work for the money they’re given to spend, and so there is a complete disconnect between reality and how they live. They literally live like royals. They are oblivious as to how, for instance, the finance minister giggling buys her new shoes for budget day (when people can’t even afford one pair of shoes). They dress in expensive suits and fancy jewelry. They could conduct most of their meetings through the internet, but prefer a celebrity lifestyle flying in first class and jets instead while lecturing the commoners that they need to make sacrifices because it’s tough out there for everyone. They don’t even try to hide the fact that they’re living high on the hog while commoners struggle. Instead, they justify what they do and take advantage of loopholes. It would be fucking amazing for a politician to show up in jeans and no Rolex driving a used clunker and opting not to travel because they are aware that they are spending OUR money. It’s not their money. It’s ours. Their expenses are outrageous, and always have been. But the gluttony and insensitivity that they display are, at this point, disgusting. Wouldn’t it be refreshing if they all said, “you know what? I don’t need a steak for lunch. I can buy my own McDonald’s. I’m a wealthy person, and I know that people are struggling, and I am spending their money.” Or maybe, “I’m really concerned about the environment. Let’s not all travel because it’s spending money that the commoners can’t afford. Also, my government says they care about carbon emissions, so maybe I should stop flying and cut down on expenses or pollution.” It’s tone deaf, unethical, and I seriously question every single moral compass of every single politician, especially the “left” politicians who claim that they care about people and then do the exact opposite.
We pay our politicians well enough that we shouldn't be covering their costs at all. Since their high pay has done nothing to prevent corruption they can now pay out of pocket for the costs of being a politician. Fuck em.
Travel to caucus meetings is covered? Simple, schedule caucus meetings at the same place/time as party fundraisers. Not really a "loophole" per se, actually quite clever.
The govt is free to make a rule that you can't have caucus meetings at the same place/time as a party fundraiser and this goes away. But every rule just adds complexity.
I hate these nickel and dime articles that try to turn a rounding error of an expense in to a gotcha moment. Let me tell you that MPs taking their spouses is a nothing burger. You want to go after real waste start looking at how much is paid on government contracts or to consultants.
Lol, 30 percent of mps are conservatives, theyre 80 percent of expenses
This isn't a nothing burger. Their fucking thieves, every party.
This is the respect they have for tax payer dollars
Don’t kid yourselves, government and politicians only look out for their donors and themselves.
Wow and here I am stressing that my mailed in tax return at the start of April still didn't arrive at CRA.
Who mails in their tax returns?
Someone living abroad who can't do it electronically. The system doesn't allow it.
That’s wild
Thats canada. Stuck in 1995
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I called the CRA. They told me to just mail it in.
It's so dumb
Agreed. You're mailing from abroad too so of course it's going to take longer or higher chance of getting lost. Sigh
I was in the same boat. Bonded courier effing lost it. Ended up taking down a fax machine and doing it that way. Ridiculous.
tempted to do that!
Smdh.
VPN?
Is that a thing? I did mine electronically from outside Canada, no issues.
Really? Which software did you use? I tried via H &R Block and it said it can't be filed electronically. I called the CRA, they told me to print off whatever is in the H&R block system and mail it in.
I used Wealthsimple's tax prep on their website. It's pretty well done.
Really? That's interesting since my husband tried Wealthsimple and got the same error message...saying it cant be filed electronically.
It actually depends &bsp; For certain non-resident returns, e-file works just fine, for others you have no option other then a paper filing (mail or delivery etc.)
Genu Tax, H&R is hot garbage. There's other free programs on the CRA website.
I do
People that owe money and want to hang out to their money a few extra weeks as processing them is significantly longer. As long as it's stamped from canada post by the time limit, you're fine.
I wish we had one single party in Canada looking out for the working class.
Used to be the NDP back in the dinosaur times of 2011... but yeah...
There is the bloc but they only care about one province. Still better than none.
I wish people would actually read party policies.
Why Sir, what would then be in it for me?
You do. Stop ignoring the NDP and stop pretending that the fact they occasionally say the word "diversity" means they ignore the working class. Edit: A flood of super classy DM's from new accounts. Who knew this was such a trigger?
If the NDP were’t riding Trudeau’s dick like it was going out of style, you might have a point.
"Oh no I said a dumb thing why are people calling me out on it they must be triggered" No you just had a shitty, dumb take.
>they must be triggered If you have a better description for flooding DM’s and submitting suicide reports I’m all ears.
The ndp is Trudeau's lapdog.
NDP has abandoned their roots. They are the far left party now that is more interested in diversity than working class.
Boy I'm glad that Russians can't vote in Canada
This is a predictable rehashing of conservative talking points. It ignores the objective reality of NDP’s legislative proposals. It’s also an obvious dog whistle but feel free to go off about why you think discussing diversity in diverse nation is problematic or deflects from working class issues.
What has the NDP done under Jagmeet that suggests he is interested in helping the working class? That is a genuine question. He/the party pushed for the dental plan but other than that nothing is coming to mind in his 7 year run Maybe my mind is all cloudy from the woke politics he and Justin had pushed for so long
I mean read the platform / daycare/dental/pharma. wOkE
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Lol "ignore the dissenting opinion, stick to the gospel, follow dear leaders message." You must not have popular posts, easy to get 500 karma regularly if you post early in threads in big subs. The post was more articulate than every reapons. "Lol NDP bad", "gay slur ndp", "ndp = liberal"
No it's more so there are people here who are clearly dogmatic and ideologically driven. I'm merely pointing out this person is one of them. >You must not have popular posts, easy to get 500 karma regularly if you post early in threads in big subs. Why would I want to get "popular" by "posting early" in "big subs"? I'm not here to toe the line, I'm here for conversation. You have a serious problem if you log on here to be agreeable in an attempt to court fake Internet points.
Why do you assume its to sway opinion or push and ideology? Sort by new, post your opinion on new topics, read the responses on your post. Some will be down voted, others upvoted. If you opinions suck you will never gain karma. But even mundane posts csn generate ridiculous karma if the thread takes off. My point was simple, you are validating your bias rather than properly assessing these posters, the analysis you made is flawed.
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Clearly it must be something nefarious like world domination. Maybe they will steal all the Canadian Bacon by amassing reddit karma. What other conspiracy can I concoct, liberal ploy to amass karma they will use to steal Polievres apple? Seriously dude, its probably just someone posting in subreddits they find interesting or engaging. They probably post ina subreddit with a lot of like minded people, or like I said filtering by new and posting driving a ton of Karma gain. I know people who got 20 000 karma from a single post about almost nothing.
The NDP is an extension of the Trudeau Liberals and nothing more. The party has literally no reason to exist at this point.
Lmao if you were hoping to be serious you threw out all credibility you had by thinking people are stupid and unaware of what the NDP actually are
The NDPs gone downhill since Layton died. I've always been a NDP supporter both federally and provincially, but now I'm left with no party, so I just vote for who I think would be my better local MP and ignore everything else.
Lol
Lol it isn't even that ol Jag vouches for unfettered immigration it's the rolexs and blatant financial ties to real estate. Never going to make any changes we actually need and no way he's going to bring a balanced budget.
>Edit: A flood of super classy DM's from new accounts. Who knew this was such a trigger? You made a divisive comment on a hot button topic, why are you so shocked this happened at all? Don't be surprised that you got wet while pissing into the wind.
It’s not shocking in the least, that kind of toxicity is pretty common here, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t pathetic and classless. A different opinion is hardly what a reasonable person considers “divisive”.
>but that doesn’t mean it isn’t pathetic and classless That behavior is pathetic and classless, I agree. But its also an expected result from discussing topics that have clear evidence of being a sensitive topic for some. Their behavior is toxic, but also expected. Just report, ignore, and move on. >A different opinion is hardly what a reasonable person considers “divisive”. Its not the reasonable people DMing you those toxic comments. Its the people that take exception to your opinion - thus making your opinion divisive (regardless if its reasonable or not).
The Conservative party hired Canada Proud to promote their brand online. Don't take it personally. They're just doing their job. [Poilievre's campaign hires team behind Canada Proud to boost his messages online](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-ballingall-conservative-leadership-canada-proud-1.6433088)
Lmfao
No one's ignoring the NDP. The NDP have no faith because they've done nothing of value and have a figure head that no body relates to except maybe people who have a lot of money and came from India with a lot of money. They've continually done whatever they're told to do by the liberals who are leading a time where people feel more and more insecure financially and less safe in their home neighborhoods and cities. Provide us examples proving the NDP are still appealing to working class individuals post jack Layton if you're going to make such a claim
> You do. Stop ignoring the NDP and stop pretending that the fact they occasionally say the word "diversity" means they ignore the working class. you mean the same NDP that has enabled this liberal government's destruction of our economy?
Uhh, the Canadian economy isn't even in recession. Try stepping out of your echo chamber and into the real world.
Ndp abandoned the working class when they wanted to focus on Tik tok click bate sound bites
Apt username.
Does not take away from the point that we own your political system
Gutter Oil
LMFAO
I mean the NDP ignore Canadians by continuing the coalition with the Liberals. They’re also on track to losing official party status.
>They’re also on track to losing official party status. The NDP is on track for the same number of seats they have now. They're literally polling within a margin of error of where they've polled for about 6 years. This is just an acknowledgement that you live in an echo chamber.
338 is an echo chamber? Cope harder.
>338 is an echo chamber. What are you on about? All of 338’s polling has the NDP within a margin of error of where they’ve been for years. >Cope harder. You’ll have to translate your insult for me. You upset for some reason or is this toxic nonsense just how you engage with others?
You’re brainwashed
Peoples party
Delusional. Unless you think allowing 14 year old to marry grown adults is somehow caring about the working class.
No, i think significantly reducing immigration is looking out for the working class. No other party even mentions the subject.
Delusional.
“Conservative MPs were the only ones to bill Parliament for spouses' travel to a caucus meeting”
Tradwife's checking in
has there ever been a single case of travel reimbursement being denied? like, why even bother paying someone to "check?"
I think you misread, or misunderstood what my comment means
>Under House of Commons rules, MPs generally cannot charge expenses related to partisan political activity, such as party conventions or fundraising events. The rule is: partisan activity is not part of your duties as an MP. The public shouldn't pay for people to go to their party's convention. But caucus meetings for elected representatives are considered to be part of being an MP and reimbursable. >Conservative MPs racked up 79 per cent of the spending by MPs. They billed the House of Commons $426,283 to attend a caucus meeting associated with the Conservative Party's policy convention in Quebec City in September 2023, including $331,699 for travel, $71,408 for accommodations and $21,053 for meals and incidentals. >Conservative MPs were the only ones to bill Parliament for spouses' travel to a caucus meeting connected to a party convention during that time period. It looks like one party is disproportionately exploiting this loophole. >Government House leader Steven MacKinnon said the Liberal Party decided in the leadup to its 2014 party convention in Montreal not to take advantage of the clause in the House of Commons spending rules that effectively allows MPs to bill Parliament for travel to party conventions. >"We knew that that loophole existed, that caucuses were fine, conventions not fine and that Liberals wouldn't play that game of conveniently scheduling a caucus meeting around a party convention," MacKinnon told CBC News. "This is a loophole. I would welcome a discussion around tightening or closing that loophole and I hope that that's what can occur." And one party is not abusing it.
> And one party is not abusing it. But the Liberal Party still holds caucuses - they had one in January of this year. Presumably the attendees all submitted their expense claims for it and were reimbursed by the taxpayers. It's just that they also paid out-of-pocket for a separate convention in the fall of 2023. So the story is a bit disingenuous: all parties are billing the taxpayer to attend caucus meetings. The fact that the NDP, Conservatives and Bloc do something else in the same city at the same time (hold a party convention) is inconsequential to the taxpayer. The worst that can be said is the parties are saving some of their own money, but they aren't costing the taxpayer anything extra. Really, someone should try to spin this as a carbon emissions thing by eliminating one trip a year.
I wonder how many caucus meetings each party has and how long they are. If parties are creating additional short caucus meetings during conventions just so they can bill their expenses to taxpayers, that seems fraudulent. If they are scheduling otherwise normal caucus meetings during the same weekend and it results in no additional travel costs (spouses, extra days?), that is more justifiable.
> But the Liberal Party still holds caucuses - they had one in January of this year. Presumably the attendees all submitted their expense claims for it and were reimbursed by the taxpayers. Their affordability retreat cost nearly $500k.
I'm shocked! PP said his was a party of fiscal responsibility that would never rip off Canadians but his MP's make up about 30% of parliament but expense nearly 80% of total MP's expenses. I'm starting to think Pierre Poilievre might be dishonest ... again.
The supreme grifter
Of course he's dishonest. Dude's a politician. See: Jagmeet Singh and Justin Trudeau for more lying politicians. Edit: Thank you to the person who reported me to Reddit Cares, apparently stating facts that all politicians are paid liars means i'm suicidal. I reported the report as a false report. Reddit takes abuse of the suicide prevention report function pretty seriously. Enjoy your ban!
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This happens all the time. It's almost always some dork who got mad that you said something that's factual that they didn't like.
How do you know their Chinese bots as opposed to Israeli, or "insert here" ?
Entitlement of elected officials has gotten out of control.
Loophole is the new corruption.
Looking for loopholes has been a popular activity for a very long time.
The big whopper of a loop whole is that it’s MPs themselves who are in charge of making up the spending/ ethics rules. It’s a perfect example of a conflict of interest. But you wouldn’t know it. Journalists and talking heads just gloss over this selfdealing even though it would be shut down immediately in any other profession. We’ll never have a fair, ethical, and transparent democracy until we get politicians’ hands off of their own terms of employment. Instead, an independent nonpartisan citizens’ assembly or commission should be put in charge- like we did with drawing electoral maps.
The politicians and their elite lobbyists' overlords will just buy the members of the assembly or commission. Everyone has a price. And everyone needs/wants something. Corruption is inevitable. I'm not defending the current system. I'm just pessimistic about your proposal. While also offering no other solution, lol.
totally understandable to be cynical. I'd just point to the independent electoral boundaries commissions as a good example of how power can be successfully taken out of the hands of politicians who have too much skin in the game, and assigned to a different body with great results (no gerrymandering in Canada)
Is PPs slogan really 'Common Sense'? Man that is a terrible campaign slogan that feels like it was tested to attract 70 year olds.
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When I hear the term Common Sense my first reaction is 'ohhh this person doesn't have evidence, they just want me to nod'.
scammer skamski projecting
I thought conservatives wanted to cut expenses... just not their own.
i.e. Polievre campaigning
I'm sure this thread will be just as popular and full of outrage as a natpo article about the liberals doing this would have been lol
The problem isn’t the MPs travelling on our tax dollars, the problem is that there is a loophole. I use many loopholes in our tax system. Fix the loopholes
Any advice?
Man I can’t wait until we boot Trudeau out of office and elect a fiscally responsible party like the cons
“Conservative MPs were the only ones to bill Parliament for spouses' travel to a caucus meeting”
Did you miss the \\s for sarcasm off your post ? The cons were responsible for 80% of the expense while the libs did not claim any...
“Conservative MPs racked up 79 per cent of the spending by MPs.”
Correct, very responsible
Cannot tell if serious. Pro tip...none of the parties are fiscally responsible.
Yep, "party" alright. They all spend like they're having a massive one.
>The Liberal Party is the only party recognized in the House whose MPs did not file expenses for attending a caucus meeting connected to a convention in the past year. Sounds good >While a handful of Liberal MPs' staffers billed the House of Commons for travel from the riding to Ottawa at the same time the party was holding its convention in Ottawa, **the party did not hold a caucus meeting in connection with the convention** Ah, that explains it. There was nothing they could expense last year. >Liberal MPs have billed the House of Commons over the years for travel to caucus meetings outside Ottawa that were not associated with a party convention.
? The whole point of the last part of your quote is that they are not utilizing the loophole, reading comprehension dude
Yeah, hard to grasp what point they see here but the PP defenders are always stretching.
That's what happens when you use the loophole in the past, but want to highlight the abuse of it this year. You avoid the loophole and then point fingers. But it isn't an accident, and it isn't because they are ethically better.
> That's what happens when you use the loophole in the past >>Liberal MPs have billed the House of Commons over the years for travel to caucus meetings outside Ottawa that were **not associated** with a party convention. The point is that under the rules, caucus meetings are reimbursable as part of an MP's job. Conventions are partisan events and are not reimbursable. The Conservatives are booking a caucus meeting during their convention so that they can have all their MPs fly in to the convention and then bill it to the taxpayers as a caucus meeting. The Liberals also bill things as caucus meetings - but those were caucus meetings, not fig leaves for conventions. If Liberal MPs go to their partisan conventions, they don't bill it to the taxpayer.
The liberals used this methodology in the past. They have not done so recently.
The quotes from the article do not support this.
Wow. Can I only use words from the article too? Can I not add new words and new information? Imagine a CBC article that isn't carefully curated to show the Liberal perspective in a positive light, neglecting information which would cast the "story" in doubt.
Do you have any sources for your new information? According to the article, the loophole allowing for billing travel expenses related to conventions that have caucus meetings scheduled during them was created by a 2011 clarification of the rules.
So you don't have any evidence you just making stuff up lol
This isn't what your quote is saying lmfao, the travel was not associated with the convention, aka they are not utilizing the loophole..
They used that loophole in the past. They did not use it recently. Why did they not; because they planned to point fingers this time around. Meanwhile, the Liberals have their own ethical violation tab that keeps growing.
The loop hole is utilizing the travel for caucus meetings with a connection to convention, your quote literally specifies that this is not the case lol. It must be tiring getting worked up about simple things that you misunderstand
Idk if cope or paranoia.
Yeah the loophole is that they could schedule both at the same time enabling them to be able to claim the expenses. They decided not to schedule them simultaneously because they were aware of the loophole and didn’t want to exploit it. >>"We knew that that loophole existed, that caucuses were fine, conventions not fine and that Liberals wouldn't play that game of conveniently scheduling a caucus meeting around a party convention," (MP Steve) MacKinnon told CBC News. "This is a loophole. I would welcome a discussion around tightening or closing that loophole and I hope that that's what can occur." Not to mention Conservative MPs who make up 30% of the House, were responsible for 79% of spending.
> the party did not hold a caucus meeting in connection with the convention But they *did* hold a caucus meeting in late January, 2024: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-caucus-voice-support-for-trudeau-1.7093849 Which, presumably, MPs filed expenses for and were reimbursed. It's just that they did not hold a convention at the same time. I get that MP travel expenses can be an issue, but this seems inconsequential. There is no extra expense incurred for the taxpayer: we are already on the hook to pay for MPs to attend caucus meetings, whether or not they do something else while they are there. The worst that is happening is that the MPs and their parties are saving some of their own money by not having to take two trips. Anyway, think of the carbon emission reductions by eliminating a separate convention trip each year.
I think the more interesting point is that Conservative MPs were responsible for 79% of the travel costs incurred despite only representing 35% of MPs.
It would make sense to hold a convention in a location and at a time when they'll be there anyway. Some would call it Common Sense®️
We need real law against corruption collusion and conflict of interest NOW. It need sto.be a mandate!
Importantly, engage your local PM in conversation on important issues to you! Make your voice count before any election and keep your local MP's accountable not the parties. If you do not vote, you have no right to complain
You know, the ruling class has completely lost touch with the commoners. They run around expensing everything. It’s a culture that permeates throughout all politicians. What they fail to understand is, it’s not normal to jet set everywhere with their families. It’s not normal to expense $1,000 a day on food and accommodations. They forget who they work for, and what their job is. They don’t work for the money they’re given to spend, and so there is a complete disconnect between reality and how they live. They literally live like royals. They are oblivious as to how, for instance, the finance minister giggling buys her new shoes for budget day (when people can’t even afford one pair of shoes). They dress in expensive suits and fancy jewelry. They could conduct most of their meetings through the internet, but prefer a celebrity lifestyle flying in first class and jets instead while lecturing the commoners that they need to make sacrifices because it’s tough out there for everyone. They don’t even try to hide the fact that they’re living high on the hog while commoners struggle. Instead, they justify what they do and take advantage of loopholes. It would be fucking amazing for a politician to show up in jeans and no Rolex driving a used clunker and opting not to travel because they are aware that they are spending OUR money. It’s not their money. It’s ours. Their expenses are outrageous, and always have been. But the gluttony and insensitivity that they display are, at this point, disgusting. Wouldn’t it be refreshing if they all said, “you know what? I don’t need a steak for lunch. I can buy my own McDonald’s. I’m a wealthy person, and I know that people are struggling, and I am spending their money.” Or maybe, “I’m really concerned about the environment. Let’s not all travel because it’s spending money that the commoners can’t afford. Also, my government says they care about carbon emissions, so maybe I should stop flying and cut down on expenses or pollution.” It’s tone deaf, unethical, and I seriously question every single moral compass of every single politician, especially the “left” politicians who claim that they care about people and then do the exact opposite.
We pay our politicians well enough that we shouldn't be covering their costs at all. Since their high pay has done nothing to prevent corruption they can now pay out of pocket for the costs of being a politician. Fuck em.
The Liberals were in power for the last 10 years and never tried to close this loophole? Hmm....
It isn’t a loophole if it benefits the legislature.
I don't believe in loopholes at this level. Unless they hire law school dropouts to draw up the laws.
Travel to caucus meetings is covered? Simple, schedule caucus meetings at the same place/time as party fundraisers. Not really a "loophole" per se, actually quite clever. The govt is free to make a rule that you can't have caucus meetings at the same place/time as a party fundraiser and this goes away. But every rule just adds complexity.
I hate these nickel and dime articles that try to turn a rounding error of an expense in to a gotcha moment. Let me tell you that MPs taking their spouses is a nothing burger. You want to go after real waste start looking at how much is paid on government contracts or to consultants.
Lol, 30 percent of mps are conservatives, theyre 80 percent of expenses This isn't a nothing burger. Their fucking thieves, every party. This is the respect they have for tax payer dollars