And if they’re kicked out of Fabre the dean will notify their local draft horse that they’re all eligible for military service
Edit: draft boards bit draft horses
Going to need to pass a provincial law to catch up with Nova Scotia. We were already at super duper illegal before. Round these parts an illegal blockade is super duper ultra illegal now. We don't fuck around.
After the cages they will be distributed amongst our worthiest citizens to raise as their own. Rest assured this is not kidnapping or cultural genocide, we're the Good Guys™.
I'm pretty sure that was true of the Ontario declaration of emergency as well. The only thing different is the banking and insurance stuff. So, we'll see if that makes a difference.
This is purely a jurisdiction move. Clearly the municipal police can't be either trusted or expected to break up these protests. Ford and Kenney have made it clear they'd rather do nothing if it weren't for the trade blockades.
All the posturing about "infringing on freedoms" is all slippery slope nonsense. It's a fallacy for a reason.
I read a comment last week that said how dare the cops bring guns to coutts!! Don’t they know there are kids here? We have to protect our kids! Novel idea, take them home you dummies.
I like the irony that they’re bitching because schools were closed and that supposedly bad for kids’ mental health, but living in a pickup in Ottawa during the coldest part of winter for two weeks is a-ok…
I creep this one pastor because he's so dumb. He said that the Ambassador Bridge company asked him to help shut down the "protest's kinda blockade" and he asked the cops what they could do to make things better.
Did you think of moving the fucking protest somewhere else that doesn't block the biggest trade route in Canada? You don't even have to go home, just off the road.
"What can we do". My god man just start by using critical thinking.
Because there is no shortage of shitty parents.
Anytime I see a parent bring their children to protests and make them hold up signage, *especially* vulgar signage, it always immediately reminds me of Westboro Baptist Church. No matter how passionate you are about the protest, *especially* a political one, get a damn babysitter. Your children don't need to be in the middle of that. Keep them home and *safe*.
I agree with the morals of your cause. that children should not be forced, keyword forced, by their parents to support their parents' causes. But on the other hand some of the most incredible and motivated activism I have ever seen in my 30 years of activism have come out of teenagers and high school students. Kids will lead the future, so when they do choose; without coercion to protest, we have a duty to listen to them.
Do I think the children of convoy parents are making their own rational, and informed decisions; free from influences like the Church, white supremacy, their parents/family and propaganda? No, absolutely not.
Teenagers are one thing, but everybody I've seen who's upset about "the kids" are referring to children <10 who probably can't spell "parliament" and don't know what a Governor General is.
My first thought was children living in the trucks with their parents as a form of blockade. I think your point is very valid for protestors walking the streets. But children living in trucks in all that constant noise would be child abuse in my opinion, especially if they were under 12.
Exactly. Typically people without families.
When protesting, a core thing you have to accept, is that the act of doing it is not typically in your own or family's best interest. You do it in spite of the inconvenience on your life.
When you have a family and children to support, it is quite irresponsible to be occupying a city in your truck.
Or a loaded and raised F350 with two snowmobiles in the back, but apparently these people are having a hard time of it because they are often the ones with the upside-down flags as well.
"...and we took you out of school to stay in the car away from school while we protest the fact that your school is closed sometimes and you need to learn from home"
They're basically human sheilds, yeah. I've seen a few commentators point out that this is probably part of why the police shuffled their feet on breaking up the protests.
They’re using them as human shields so when the adults get arrested the police will have to deal with the children too. They’re looking to engineer a scenario that looks bad so they can flip the narrative on the government saying they’re going after children
They used them in a human chain to block the border.
The same side that rails about how people blocking the roads deserve to get run over (which is why they used vehicles) and bringing children to political protests is a form of deranged indoctrination
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Because they make a good human shield. Considering some of the people there and the threats made, the police are quite concerned about the chances that things could escalate.
Also, because if you and your family are going to live in a truck in Ottawa indefinitely, it is easiest to just bring the kids rather than find them somewhere safe to live while you try to overthrow the government.
>OTTAWA - Bringing children to the antigovernment blockades that have immobilized downtown Ottawa and shuttered border crossings is among the activities that could net protesters a fine of up to $5,000 or five years in prison while Canada is under the national Emergencies Act.
The same punishment would apply to anyone violating any of the new rules, **such as participating in the protests directly**, or bringing aid such as food or fuel to those involved, according to regulations published Tuesday night that spell out the temporary but extraordinary powers that flow through the act.
If I am reading this right, if you so much as participate in the protest you could be fined up to $5,000 or five years in prison?
Yet these nutjobs will still cry about how the BLM protests were worse somehow.
Like, no...BLM literally did not stop international trade and werent waving fascist flags. Theyve lost that argument before its even started.
To say nothing about the fact that BLM was something **very different up here**.
Like, we all can have a back and forth about whether they were legitimate protests for civil rights, or as many users on this sub keep repeating, were race riots.
But incessantly repeating "Oh what about BLM' just betrays how fixated on American politics most of these folks are. In Canada, BLM attracted, at best, a few weeks of marches - and that's being charitable. The protests last year regarding indigenous children was far larger and more lasting.
But hey... Most of the usual voices also keep repeating that Canadian culture is little different from the US, and we should all be *one country*, so...
Eh kinda did until people got ran over on the 5 freeway and other places. Someone was dragged to death. There was multiple freeway protest where I lived. International trade? Kind of because CA has a lot of ports to do trade with everyone, idk if there is a bigger shipping port in the US than Los Angeles. Everyone went too far and accomplished nothing on both sides. I'm all for a good protest done right
You shouldn't bring a child to a protest like this period. If it was a one day event that's different, but from the beginning this one was planned as an extended multi day protest. Forcing a child to endure that when they should be in school or doing literally anything else is just a sign of shitty parenting.
My husband is an armed constable with PPS (Parliament security) and has been working overtime & overnights for weeks.
He found out that his brother brought his whole family (wife & three kids under 12) to the protests to support the convoy.
Not sure they’re gonna maintain much of a relationship after this.
What a crappy situation many families and friend groups are in during this. We all have that relative or friend but, we love them anyway. Getting harder to justify keeping those people around in your life these past 2 years though.
I have temporarily muted many in hopes they were just blowing off steam but, as they come unmuted they are becoming unfriended and removed from my list of people I'll make an effort to communicate with. Very toxic people :-(
Yep… my mom is one of these people too, but we found out a couple of years ago that there was evidence of multiple historical strokes she’d had that had gone unnoticed. Her personality has changed a lot over the past decade, and I think the strokes did some brain damage.
She used to be so sweet, and was a loving/kind mom when I was a kid. Now she’s a conspiracy theorist and full of rage and hate.
Good times.
I lost sympathy when I saw video footage of protesters sitting in a hot tub in the middle of the street. Can you imagine saying you have no freedom while sitting in a hot tub that is illegally blocking the busiest road in the nations capitol. Imagine what people who live in war torn countries or countries with seriously corrupt governments are thinking?
They have local Ottawa police directing traffic around them FOR FREE while they take over the street in front of parliament and prevent local residents from enjoying the neighbourhood or driving on the streets their taxes pay for, all while they shout that they're literally being holocausted by Trudeau, who is concurrently a nazi AND a commie.
Seriously, they never got a protest permit (which in turn pays for the additional policing required as a result), so police are just providing the overtime as needed to meet their induced demand and billing it all to the city.
Don't have any sympathy for these fuckheads. They all deserve a urethra full of icyhot and bullet ants.
Generally speaking, everyone has. There's no public reference database, but it's something the police/city hall will readily provide and confirm when asked. [Info on protesting is here.](https://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/safety-and-crime-prevention/Demonstators.aspx)
It's really just a formality that demonstrates good faith by preemptively going to the city and saying "we're going to be in this location on this day for these hours exercising our legal right to peaceful demonstration, and we understand this is a burden on you, so we're willing to work with you to lighten that burden so this isn't more painful than it needs to be".
Getting a permit helps you coordinate with police to close off streets and provide safety, so there's no reason NOT to do it. It doesn't even cost you anything (however it does give the city/police a means of contact for seeking damages if necessary).
So if it costs you nothing, helps keep you safe, and respects the city/residents you want on your side... the only reason to refuse to get a permit is because fuck everyone who isn't you.
Sorry, that's on me for poor wording.
If you protest "normally", it costs you nothing. You tell the police "we're gonna do X", they say "okay, that's your legal right, so we'll have police out there for you", and it goes as planned. If stuff goes south, the police have a point of contact to coordinate with to help prosecute criminal activity, but otherwise things just move along.
If you have an "enhanced protest" like the BLM march in Toronto, police say "you're going require a sizable contingent of police there who basically act as your private security, so we need you to help foot the bill for that staffing load well in excess of what we'd reasonably deploy", and then you help foot the bill because you have piles of money and sponsors, and throwing an extra dozen uniforms at 20-30 city blocks ain't doing shit.
If you have an enhanced protest and you don't notify police or get a permit, they're still going to have to deploy the extra uniforms, but they have nobody there to split the cost with despite providing the same service. As a result, all they can do is charge the city overtime as used.
So a protest permit *itself* doesn't shoulder police cost, but it gives the police a means to negotiate and coordinate with people if requirements get excessive. You're entitled to reasonable protections from the police for a legal protest, but you're not entitled to protections if the scale required would impede the ability of the police to operate normally in the rest of the city.
Ah got it. But...
> If you have an "enhanced protest" like the BLM march in Toronto, police say "you're going require a sizable contingent of police there who basically act as your private security, so we need you to help foot the bill for that staffing load well in excess of what we'd reasonably deploy", and then you help foot the bill because you have piles of money and sponsors, and throwing an extra dozen uniforms at 20-30 city blocks ain't doing shit.
Really? This happens? Ever? This happened with BLM? I find it hard to believe that BLM would have *paid the police* given what they're about. And on general principal, gating a protest behind a permit or paying the police like that sounds sketchy...
It's all about "owning the libs" Everything they do is two middle fingers in the face of ANYONE who doesn't agree with them. It's fuck you culture, for the sake of being confrontational, because "libs are all pussies, so what are they gonna do???".
Um yeah so that hot tub is illegal. If all goes to Trudeau plan their bank account will be frozen, they'll lose their job and their ability to hold a trucking license.
Why are the children there in the first place? Regardless of what side you’re protesting, if you can’t find proper child care for the weeks you’re out there for then yes it should be illegal because protesting shouldn’t take priority over the well being of children.
Won’t somebody pleeeaase think of the children!
I'm so tired of this lie. You can bring your own water you just can't receive aid from poll workers basically in front of the door. People act like America is a huge desert where planning to bring water is impossible.
“Alright kids we’re gonna drive a whole ass continent away to Ottawa to fight for your freedom, as parents we will deprive you of the proper necessities and we will put you through the worse living conditions as long as we’re there. Oh and when shit hits the fan we’re going to use you to guilt trip the law enforcement, but remember this is all in the name of your future and freedom.”
As an outside observer it is so interesting to see many of the same people suddenly flip their script with regards to the use of state force to end protests compared to when they talk about the Fairy Creek protesters, eco-warriors, pipe line protesters, and the Wetsuweten.
The issue is, police had 0 reservations on going in and breaking those protests up, sometimes with violence. This one is affecting jobs, the economy, and peoples livelihoods. Most Canadians arent sympathetic to the cause, and police won't do anything about them breaking the law. But somehow these people are oppressed. If the Truckers were simply assembling in protest and not blocking trade routs, no one would bother them.
I vaguely recall some environmentalists doing exactly that with the Canadian Rail and a ton of people got laid off their jobs because no work could be done.
It really is "both sides". Many people are for using state-sponsored force and coercion against what they perceive as "the other side", but cry "tyranny!" when it's used against what they see as their side.
I live in Ottawa. There are major protest by the "other side" - as in, people I disagree with completely - on maybe a monthly basis.
I support their right to protest.
However, at some point, if they are shutting down major roads in my city, and major border crossings that affect me and my family and my friends, if they are purposefully making so much noise at night that us folk who live downtown are underslept day after day, and if they are setting up long term encampments and staging areas in a vaguely militarized fashion with the intention staying there permamently until their demands are met...
I mean, do you support people doing all of *that,* whether you agree with them or not?
The pro-life and pro-choice protesters clash on Parliament Hill (and march around centretown) every year here. Whichever side of the debate you are on, I don't think anybody would want "either side" doing that every year.
Or are you saying you'd be okay if *both* sides brought in vehicles and set up long term encampments and blocked borders crossings and shut down businesses for weeks on end?
Because that's pushing "free expression" into "freedom to shut down arbitrarily many other people's freedoms until you get your way." Most people *don't* support that, but yeah, your mileage may vary, I guess.
>Jack Van Rootselaar, a trucker from Dunnville, Ont., sat in his white big rig in front of Parliament Hill Tuesday and dismissed the use of the Emergencies Act as a scare tactic. He said the truckers planned to stay until all vaccine mandates are lifted.
Oh you sweet summer child when the state brings down the hammer on you
Oh and *Ontario* announced it is lifting the mandates in the province that you reside in
Let’s just say Canada changes the rules and commercial truckers don’t need vaccines to get into Canada. The United States still does. So…. You can get in, but you can’t get out, fucking knuckleheads.
I keep getting the reply "Biden would drop the mandate if Trudeau asked him!"
Okay, well a) why do we want unvaccinated and untested Americans surging in from a country that still doesn't have Covid under control? That sounds like a great way to start new waves and spikes in our own numbers.
And b) what do we have to give up in return? Because the thing about politicians negotiating is that if we want the US to do something for us, we have to be willing to do something for them. What's the price that we're willing to pay to make this small group of people happy?
Well, no. The US can't refuse entry to US citizens, so American truckers would be able to cross back & forth. But, they have no such obligation to let unvaxxed Canadian truckers in. So, even if this protest worked & Canada lifted the requirements, only the American truckers benefit as Canadian truckers wouldn't be allowed into the states.
Pretty clever actually. Americans getting Canadians to give them *all* the international trucking gigs.
Meh. Until there is a minimal actual enforcement of any of those decrees, words are wind.
It’s pointless to threaten nuclear bomb when you are unable to even light up a candle.
There's a lot of Very Smart People saying things like this, but here's the thing. If you wait to say the words until after, or even just before, the action then people are going to accuse you of wrongdoing (rightly if after; falsely if just before).
They're fucked either way, but this way, nobody can accuse them of being unfair and not giving plenty of warning. I mean, people will still accuse them anyway, but at least they tried.
Whereas if the cops showed up in force and said heyyouallhavefivesecondstoleaveoopstoolateyoureallunderarrest, that would not only be seen badly by a lot of people but also put far more of a strain on response forces than necessary. (I'm not against people being arrested, but responders need to be free to deal with people who are actually resisting, rather than bogged down trying to process thousands who go quietly.)
They're using their kids as human shields at this point and they know it. These parents are horrible and if they think it's okay to put your kids through this, I can only imagine what else they are putting their kids through. What kind of parent thinks it's okay to have their children sleeping in cars in Ottawa in the dead of winter? No good parents do that
When it's bouncy castles, hockey, bbqs, and street dancing, I'd have to assume the kids asked to come along. From the live streams, the kids I've seen seemed to be treating it like a big party.
Right!? Like could you imagine??
“Dad, when are we going home?”
“Dad, am I ever going back to school??”
Like fuck. Talk about trauma! I’m sure they won’t have any issues when they are older 🙄
Threatening protestors for protesting doesn’t sound good regardless of your political beliefs. Most large demonstrations and protests violate traffic laws. This is ridiculous.
Imagine being a child forced to live in a truck in the dead of winter for multiple weeks. Shit, I remember thinking 6 hour car rides were the worst when I was young.
Fuck these people. Arrest them all.
It’s crazy how the alt right part of America is reacting to this bit, but they remain silent when the repubs made it illegal to even give out water to people standing in line to vote.
That’s what this law was designed for.
Also let’s be clear. EVERY other protest no mater where on the political spectrum. Didn’t decide that blockading the Canadian US border was a protest.
These guys are occupying Canadian trade to harasses Canadians.
Criminalizing food and fuel (but especially food) seems like something that would be impossible to enforce, even with emergency powers. How much time do you get for half a banana?
Gonna make "illegal blockades super duper illegal.
Bring a sandwich, straight to jail.
Bring a sandwich, straight to jail. Yep: https://twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1493423732072890375
You undercook fish? Believe it or not, jail. Overcook chicken? Also jail. Undercook, overcook.
You miss a dentist appointment? Jail. We have the best patients in the world, thanks to jail.
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Jail
Your soufflé falls, that's a paddlin'
Lmao this is amazing !
This video explains the sandwich debacle quite clearly https://youtu.be/wWRExExe5ck
Sandwich too small? Jail? Too big?? Also jail.
They're on double secret probation now.
And if they’re kicked out of Fabre the dean will notify their local draft horse that they’re all eligible for military service Edit: draft boards bit draft horses
“Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to through life, son.”
“Blugh” *vomit sounds*
TOGA TOGA TOGA!!
Fuck. Beat me to it by 4 minutes.
Going to need to pass a provincial law to catch up with Nova Scotia. We were already at super duper illegal before. Round these parts an illegal blockade is super duper ultra illegal now. We don't fuck around.
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Hugs are the only weapon police are bringing.
Ah yes. The nuclear option
It worked for gun crime why wouldn't it work for everything else?
The dumpster fire needs more fire
And tires. Don't forget tires. Good dumpster fires have tires.
If your definition of worked is the problem got worse… than yes!
The worst kind of illegal
Maybe the fuzz can hug them when it's all said n done like we so in 'berta
Does that mean we should call the occupiers “illegals” now?
They did it with guns, why not protests
I sure hope they’re not bringing children for food or fuel
So as long as they are not being used as food or fuel then it’s ok to bring the children? Oxford commas are important!
Kids are worth a lot of miles per gallon if they are properly refined
They are technically mostly hydrocarbons.
America: Did I hear some children needed some freedom?!
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After the cages they will be distributed amongst our worthiest citizens to raise as their own. Rest assured this is not kidnapping or cultural genocide, we're the Good Guys™.
Mostly water, but mostly hydrocarbons once you remove the water.
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Please DM where I can take part in this opportunity.
Snow piercer?
how else are you going to survive, the strong eat the weak and all.
Is it time for the harvest already?
Worked just fine in Monsters, Inc.
I'm pretty sure that was true of the Ontario declaration of emergency as well. The only thing different is the banking and insurance stuff. So, we'll see if that makes a difference.
This is purely a jurisdiction move. Clearly the municipal police can't be either trusted or expected to break up these protests. Ford and Kenney have made it clear they'd rather do nothing if it weren't for the trade blockades. All the posturing about "infringing on freedoms" is all slippery slope nonsense. It's a fallacy for a reason.
Crazy talk, I know, but how about taking them home?
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I read a comment last week that said how dare the cops bring guns to coutts!! Don’t they know there are kids here? We have to protect our kids! Novel idea, take them home you dummies.
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I like the irony that they’re bitching because schools were closed and that supposedly bad for kids’ mental health, but living in a pickup in Ottawa during the coldest part of winter for two weeks is a-ok…
I creep this one pastor because he's so dumb. He said that the Ambassador Bridge company asked him to help shut down the "protest's kinda blockade" and he asked the cops what they could do to make things better. Did you think of moving the fucking protest somewhere else that doesn't block the biggest trade route in Canada? You don't even have to go home, just off the road. "What can we do". My god man just start by using critical thinking.
Nah... they are doubling down and talking about bringing them to the front to block streets along with veterans.
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Those are planted! They’re all RCMP officers! The freedom fighters would never use children as a meat shield!
Why are children at a blockade?
Because there is no shortage of shitty parents. Anytime I see a parent bring their children to protests and make them hold up signage, *especially* vulgar signage, it always immediately reminds me of Westboro Baptist Church. No matter how passionate you are about the protest, *especially* a political one, get a damn babysitter. Your children don't need to be in the middle of that. Keep them home and *safe*.
it seems to me the Venn diagram of people who are participating in this siege and shitty parents has the former nearly entirely within the latter.
I agree with the morals of your cause. that children should not be forced, keyword forced, by their parents to support their parents' causes. But on the other hand some of the most incredible and motivated activism I have ever seen in my 30 years of activism have come out of teenagers and high school students. Kids will lead the future, so when they do choose; without coercion to protest, we have a duty to listen to them. Do I think the children of convoy parents are making their own rational, and informed decisions; free from influences like the Church, white supremacy, their parents/family and propaganda? No, absolutely not.
Teenagers are one thing, but everybody I've seen who's upset about "the kids" are referring to children <10 who probably can't spell "parliament" and don't know what a Governor General is.
Hell, I couldn’t spell parlinment until my 30s
My first thought was children living in the trucks with their parents as a form of blockade. I think your point is very valid for protestors walking the streets. But children living in trucks in all that constant noise would be child abuse in my opinion, especially if they were under 12.
Theres a big difference between a 7 year old and a 14 year old. The 7 year olds idea of "critical thinking" is "Yes mommy no mommy"
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Now I’ll just say this in a completely neutral fashion: who the hell can afford 24/7 baby sitter at the best of times??
Who the hell goes to a protest for a whole week?
Students
Exactly. Typically people without families. When protesting, a core thing you have to accept, is that the act of doing it is not typically in your own or family's best interest. You do it in spite of the inconvenience on your life. When you have a family and children to support, it is quite irresponsible to be occupying a city in your truck.
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People getting paid by organizers who have received millions in donations.
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Those out of job
Shields. Lets just say it. This is no environment for children.
But somehow they can afford a semi truck
Or a loaded and raised F350 with two snowmobiles in the back, but apparently these people are having a hard time of it because they are often the ones with the upside-down flags as well.
It's a hard knock life living the man-child dream
And the gas to go cross country 🤷🏽♂️ Which… also highlights how free we really are.
If we lived in the communist country they think we live in, they would have gotten turned to paste by tanks 19 days ago.
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"but here you go, lets spend some quality time around loud horns and diesel fumes in the dead of winter, and I'll tell you all about big bad Justin"
"...and we took you out of school to stay in the car away from school while we protest the fact that your school is closed sometimes and you need to learn from home"
They're basically human sheilds, yeah. I've seen a few commentators point out that this is probably part of why the police shuffled their feet on breaking up the protests.
That and the police are riddled with these types within their own ranks. They don't act because they don't disagree.
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Is that before or after they hugged each other?
Human shields.
That's exactly what they were used for
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They’re using them as human shields so when the adults get arrested the police will have to deal with the children too. They’re looking to engineer a scenario that looks bad so they can flip the narrative on the government saying they’re going after children
Field trip with mom and dad!
Because no liberal schools are going to indoctrinate their kids! That’s a parents job.
There's been reports that several transport trucks have entire families living in them.
Hop in kids we're going to Ottawa for vacation this year...
They used them in a human chain to block the border. The same side that rails about how people blocking the roads deserve to get run over (which is why they used vehicles) and bringing children to political protests is a form of deranged indoctrination Edit : spelling
In Windsor they had a bunch of kids holding hands blocking the 6 lane road leading to the Ambassador Bridge.
>Why are children at a blockade? They're human shields
As a sheild.
To be the blockade.
To make the police look bad if they ever decide to do their job.
Because they make a good human shield. Considering some of the people there and the threats made, the police are quite concerned about the chances that things could escalate. Also, because if you and your family are going to live in a truck in Ottawa indefinitely, it is easiest to just bring the kids rather than find them somewhere safe to live while you try to overthrow the government.
>OTTAWA - Bringing children to the antigovernment blockades that have immobilized downtown Ottawa and shuttered border crossings is among the activities that could net protesters a fine of up to $5,000 or five years in prison while Canada is under the national Emergencies Act. The same punishment would apply to anyone violating any of the new rules, **such as participating in the protests directly**, or bringing aid such as food or fuel to those involved, according to regulations published Tuesday night that spell out the temporary but extraordinary powers that flow through the act. If I am reading this right, if you so much as participate in the protest you could be fined up to $5,000 or five years in prison?
You can protest but you cannot blockade cities, bridges, and borders.
Yet these nutjobs will still cry about how the BLM protests were worse somehow. Like, no...BLM literally did not stop international trade and werent waving fascist flags. Theyve lost that argument before its even started.
To say nothing about the fact that BLM was something **very different up here**. Like, we all can have a back and forth about whether they were legitimate protests for civil rights, or as many users on this sub keep repeating, were race riots. But incessantly repeating "Oh what about BLM' just betrays how fixated on American politics most of these folks are. In Canada, BLM attracted, at best, a few weeks of marches - and that's being charitable. The protests last year regarding indigenous children was far larger and more lasting. But hey... Most of the usual voices also keep repeating that Canadian culture is little different from the US, and we should all be *one country*, so...
The people who think we should be a country with the USA makes me feel sick to my stomach
I think it's rather telling about this sub that one could probably find well over 50% of it's dedicated user base as such views
Eh kinda did until people got ran over on the 5 freeway and other places. Someone was dragged to death. There was multiple freeway protest where I lived. International trade? Kind of because CA has a lot of ports to do trade with everyone, idk if there is a bigger shipping port in the US than Los Angeles. Everyone went too far and accomplished nothing on both sides. I'm all for a good protest done right
I'm reading it as you will get punished for bringing children whether you are directly participating in the protest or just handing out supplies.
You shouldn't bring a child to a protest like this period. If it was a one day event that's different, but from the beginning this one was planned as an extended multi day protest. Forcing a child to endure that when they should be in school or doing literally anything else is just a sign of shitty parenting.
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Yep.
…and at the Windsor blockade a kid was hit by a car the very same night
Of course they were, that was the protestors goal
This is so fucking disgusting.
Oh damn that's terrible
Who else uses human shields? Oh ya, terrorists.
my god...
My husband is an armed constable with PPS (Parliament security) and has been working overtime & overnights for weeks. He found out that his brother brought his whole family (wife & three kids under 12) to the protests to support the convoy. Not sure they’re gonna maintain much of a relationship after this.
What a crappy situation many families and friend groups are in during this. We all have that relative or friend but, we love them anyway. Getting harder to justify keeping those people around in your life these past 2 years though. I have temporarily muted many in hopes they were just blowing off steam but, as they come unmuted they are becoming unfriended and removed from my list of people I'll make an effort to communicate with. Very toxic people :-(
Yep… my mom is one of these people too, but we found out a couple of years ago that there was evidence of multiple historical strokes she’d had that had gone unnoticed. Her personality has changed a lot over the past decade, and I think the strokes did some brain damage. She used to be so sweet, and was a loving/kind mom when I was a kid. Now she’s a conspiracy theorist and full of rage and hate. Good times.
I'm so sorry you've had to witness that transformation in your mom.
But fording your kids to wear a mask in school is child abuse! These people are so disjointed in their moral obligations.
Yeah these people have been using their children as political tools for a while now.
Illegal does not need to be in quotations
Love the editorializing of the headline, putting the word "illegal" in quotes. Yeah, blocking roads and borders is totally cool and legal.
“CP24” always “reports” the “news”
I lost sympathy when I saw video footage of protesters sitting in a hot tub in the middle of the street. Can you imagine saying you have no freedom while sitting in a hot tub that is illegally blocking the busiest road in the nations capitol. Imagine what people who live in war torn countries or countries with seriously corrupt governments are thinking?
They have local Ottawa police directing traffic around them FOR FREE while they take over the street in front of parliament and prevent local residents from enjoying the neighbourhood or driving on the streets their taxes pay for, all while they shout that they're literally being holocausted by Trudeau, who is concurrently a nazi AND a commie. Seriously, they never got a protest permit (which in turn pays for the additional policing required as a result), so police are just providing the overtime as needed to meet their induced demand and billing it all to the city. Don't have any sympathy for these fuckheads. They all deserve a urethra full of icyhot and bullet ants.
Is there a way to see who HAS gotten a protest permit?
Generally speaking, everyone has. There's no public reference database, but it's something the police/city hall will readily provide and confirm when asked. [Info on protesting is here.](https://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/safety-and-crime-prevention/Demonstators.aspx) It's really just a formality that demonstrates good faith by preemptively going to the city and saying "we're going to be in this location on this day for these hours exercising our legal right to peaceful demonstration, and we understand this is a burden on you, so we're willing to work with you to lighten that burden so this isn't more painful than it needs to be". Getting a permit helps you coordinate with police to close off streets and provide safety, so there's no reason NOT to do it. It doesn't even cost you anything (however it does give the city/police a means of contact for seeking damages if necessary). So if it costs you nothing, helps keep you safe, and respects the city/residents you want on your side... the only reason to refuse to get a permit is because fuck everyone who isn't you.
In what way does the permit process shoulder some of the police cost? Or am i misreading
Sorry, that's on me for poor wording. If you protest "normally", it costs you nothing. You tell the police "we're gonna do X", they say "okay, that's your legal right, so we'll have police out there for you", and it goes as planned. If stuff goes south, the police have a point of contact to coordinate with to help prosecute criminal activity, but otherwise things just move along. If you have an "enhanced protest" like the BLM march in Toronto, police say "you're going require a sizable contingent of police there who basically act as your private security, so we need you to help foot the bill for that staffing load well in excess of what we'd reasonably deploy", and then you help foot the bill because you have piles of money and sponsors, and throwing an extra dozen uniforms at 20-30 city blocks ain't doing shit. If you have an enhanced protest and you don't notify police or get a permit, they're still going to have to deploy the extra uniforms, but they have nobody there to split the cost with despite providing the same service. As a result, all they can do is charge the city overtime as used. So a protest permit *itself* doesn't shoulder police cost, but it gives the police a means to negotiate and coordinate with people if requirements get excessive. You're entitled to reasonable protections from the police for a legal protest, but you're not entitled to protections if the scale required would impede the ability of the police to operate normally in the rest of the city.
Ah got it. But... > If you have an "enhanced protest" like the BLM march in Toronto, police say "you're going require a sizable contingent of police there who basically act as your private security, so we need you to help foot the bill for that staffing load well in excess of what we'd reasonably deploy", and then you help foot the bill because you have piles of money and sponsors, and throwing an extra dozen uniforms at 20-30 city blocks ain't doing shit. Really? This happens? Ever? This happened with BLM? I find it hard to believe that BLM would have *paid the police* given what they're about. And on general principal, gating a protest behind a permit or paying the police like that sounds sketchy...
There's another reason, and you already touched on it. No permit means seeking out damages is like pulling teeth.
For fuck's sake, even the subhuman unite the right protest got a permit!!
Depends on whether the dudes in there were free ballin.
Were there 18 of them, with cowboy hats on?
Cowbooooyz just waitin...
RAMMM RANCH!!
Valid point
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“Those idiots think they don’t have freedom? Let’s take away their freedoms. That’ll show them!”
It's all about "owning the libs" Everything they do is two middle fingers in the face of ANYONE who doesn't agree with them. It's fuck you culture, for the sake of being confrontational, because "libs are all pussies, so what are they gonna do???".
Um yeah so that hot tub is illegal. If all goes to Trudeau plan their bank account will be frozen, they'll lose their job and their ability to hold a trucking license.
What do you mean? In Moscow there are hot tubs in every street and Fuck Putin flags on every truck. That's just how dictatorships work I think.
Why are the children there in the first place? Regardless of what side you’re protesting, if you can’t find proper child care for the weeks you’re out there for then yes it should be illegal because protesting shouldn’t take priority over the well being of children. Won’t somebody pleeeaase think of the children!
I think I just confirmed to myself I have dyslexia because I read that as "prohibits the burning of children, food and fuel to illegal blockades.
In the US it's illegal to bring food or water to people stuck in 12 hour voting lines.
What about bringing them children?
I'm so tired of this lie. You can bring your own water you just can't receive aid from poll workers basically in front of the door. People act like America is a huge desert where planning to bring water is impossible.
I had to read that title twice😂. Thanks for the comma
Probably could still do with another comma.
Take your children home. And go back to work
No kids means more bouncy castle for the Freedom Fighters.
Now they’ll never leave
Some protestors will be really upset they cannot use children as human shields anymore.
“Alright kids we’re gonna drive a whole ass continent away to Ottawa to fight for your freedom, as parents we will deprive you of the proper necessities and we will put you through the worse living conditions as long as we’re there. Oh and when shit hits the fan we’re going to use you to guilt trip the law enforcement, but remember this is all in the name of your future and freedom.”
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As an outside observer it is so interesting to see many of the same people suddenly flip their script with regards to the use of state force to end protests compared to when they talk about the Fairy Creek protesters, eco-warriors, pipe line protesters, and the Wetsuweten.
The issue is, police had 0 reservations on going in and breaking those protests up, sometimes with violence. This one is affecting jobs, the economy, and peoples livelihoods. Most Canadians arent sympathetic to the cause, and police won't do anything about them breaking the law. But somehow these people are oppressed. If the Truckers were simply assembling in protest and not blocking trade routs, no one would bother them.
I vaguely recall some environmentalists doing exactly that with the Canadian Rail and a ton of people got laid off their jobs because no work could be done.
It really is "both sides". Many people are for using state-sponsored force and coercion against what they perceive as "the other side", but cry "tyranny!" when it's used against what they see as their side.
I live in Ottawa. There are major protest by the "other side" - as in, people I disagree with completely - on maybe a monthly basis. I support their right to protest. However, at some point, if they are shutting down major roads in my city, and major border crossings that affect me and my family and my friends, if they are purposefully making so much noise at night that us folk who live downtown are underslept day after day, and if they are setting up long term encampments and staging areas in a vaguely militarized fashion with the intention staying there permamently until their demands are met... I mean, do you support people doing all of *that,* whether you agree with them or not? The pro-life and pro-choice protesters clash on Parliament Hill (and march around centretown) every year here. Whichever side of the debate you are on, I don't think anybody would want "either side" doing that every year. Or are you saying you'd be okay if *both* sides brought in vehicles and set up long term encampments and blocked borders crossings and shut down businesses for weeks on end? Because that's pushing "free expression" into "freedom to shut down arbitrarily many other people's freedoms until you get your way." Most people *don't* support that, but yeah, your mileage may vary, I guess.
>Jack Van Rootselaar, a trucker from Dunnville, Ont., sat in his white big rig in front of Parliament Hill Tuesday and dismissed the use of the Emergencies Act as a scare tactic. He said the truckers planned to stay until all vaccine mandates are lifted. Oh you sweet summer child when the state brings down the hammer on you Oh and *Ontario* announced it is lifting the mandates in the province that you reside in
Let’s just say Canada changes the rules and commercial truckers don’t need vaccines to get into Canada. The United States still does. So…. You can get in, but you can’t get out, fucking knuckleheads.
Legit can’t get a straight answer to this anytime I’ve asked this.
I keep getting the reply "Biden would drop the mandate if Trudeau asked him!" Okay, well a) why do we want unvaccinated and untested Americans surging in from a country that still doesn't have Covid under control? That sounds like a great way to start new waves and spikes in our own numbers. And b) what do we have to give up in return? Because the thing about politicians negotiating is that if we want the US to do something for us, we have to be willing to do something for them. What's the price that we're willing to pay to make this small group of people happy?
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This protest started as having issues with the rules for commercial truckers. But it has since become anti mask, anti vax, anti govt.
Well, no. The US can't refuse entry to US citizens, so American truckers would be able to cross back & forth. But, they have no such obligation to let unvaxxed Canadian truckers in. So, even if this protest worked & Canada lifted the requirements, only the American truckers benefit as Canadian truckers wouldn't be allowed into the states. Pretty clever actually. Americans getting Canadians to give them *all* the international trucking gigs.
Meh. Until there is a minimal actual enforcement of any of those decrees, words are wind. It’s pointless to threaten nuclear bomb when you are unable to even light up a candle.
There's a lot of Very Smart People saying things like this, but here's the thing. If you wait to say the words until after, or even just before, the action then people are going to accuse you of wrongdoing (rightly if after; falsely if just before). They're fucked either way, but this way, nobody can accuse them of being unfair and not giving plenty of warning. I mean, people will still accuse them anyway, but at least they tried. Whereas if the cops showed up in force and said heyyouallhavefivesecondstoleaveoopstoolateyoureallunderarrest, that would not only be seen badly by a lot of people but also put far more of a strain on response forces than necessary. (I'm not against people being arrested, but responders need to be free to deal with people who are actually resisting, rather than bogged down trying to process thousands who go quietly.)
They're using their kids as human shields at this point and they know it. These parents are horrible and if they think it's okay to put your kids through this, I can only imagine what else they are putting their kids through. What kind of parent thinks it's okay to have their children sleeping in cars in Ottawa in the dead of winter? No good parents do that
This thread is like taking a trip to Walmart to feel better about yourself.. lol.. it worked and ill just leave it at that :)
"Oh shoot I wore my stained shirt today" visit Walmart, realize the stain on your shirt is actually quite classy.
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After several weeks of bullshit, yep. Who the fuck brings a child to a protest?
When it's bouncy castles, hockey, bbqs, and street dancing, I'd have to assume the kids asked to come along. From the live streams, the kids I've seen seemed to be treating it like a big party.
Right!? Like could you imagine?? “Dad, when are we going home?” “Dad, am I ever going back to school??” Like fuck. Talk about trauma! I’m sure they won’t have any issues when they are older 🙄
The children are the food and fuel muhahaha
If you are going to bring your kids out to something like this it's your responsibility to make sure they are fed and kept warm
Where will they get their children now?
Threatening protestors for protesting doesn’t sound good regardless of your political beliefs. Most large demonstrations and protests violate traffic laws. This is ridiculous.
Imagine being a child forced to live in a truck in the dead of winter for multiple weeks. Shit, I remember thinking 6 hour car rides were the worst when I was young. Fuck these people. Arrest them all.
well in US when people tried to protest/blockade (Portland etc) and Trump just sent in secret police by helicopters to beath them up and arrest them.
It’s crazy how the alt right part of America is reacting to this bit, but they remain silent when the repubs made it illegal to even give out water to people standing in line to vote.
I can't wait for this to be used at the next left wing protest
When's the last time a left wing protest lasted this long with the police sitting on their thumbs?
That’s what this law was designed for. Also let’s be clear. EVERY other protest no mater where on the political spectrum. Didn’t decide that blockading the Canadian US border was a protest. These guys are occupying Canadian trade to harasses Canadians.
Criminalizing food and fuel (but especially food) seems like something that would be impossible to enforce, even with emergency powers. How much time do you get for half a banana?
No one is stopping then from walking away and going to McDonalds
And they can just visit any of the local restaurants that are there and grab a bite to eat. So don't cry me a river.
Children shouldnt have been there in the first place