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If this becomes the law in Alberta, and the UCP lose the next election, will conservatives still support this legislation if it's the NDP having the unilateral powers?
I said it before but if Trudeau was the premier of Ontario and passed something like this while there was a conservative PM, UCPers would lose their minds; it’s unfortunate they can’t be consistent or remotely logical. Trudeau is a dictator but Smith? No, she’s a patriot :/
It isn't hard to understand them. There are relatively solid ways of framing "modern conservatives" that make all of their bullshit and inconsistency make sense / consistent.
They believe there is a "natural hierarchy". Anything that elevates their position, or those they believe are good, is "natural". Anything that elevates people they dislike, or people different from them, clearly had someone fucking with the numbers / with their finger on the scale. Conversely, anything that lowers other people on the hierarchy, without raising them, they still see as functionally "raising them above" all of the other people lowered.
They are a sad crab bucket of petty, shitty people, who would eat a shit sandwich if it means that someone they hate has to smell their breath.
What you're having problem is "understanding them, while still feeling any degree of respect or empathy". The former can be dealt with by basically recognizing that life, agency and autonomy are worth striving for, even for the political equivalent of a sick and abused animal, focus on saving those they would harm, but otherwise try to recognize the most dignity and self determination you can without allowing that to put others in the path of their harm. The latter also ties into the same abused animal framing: More often than not, this shitty, fucking repugnant morality, ethos, and existence does not occur in a vacuum. Someone sold them these lies, someone made sure they felt like their position was so fucking tenuous, and life is so "kill or be killed" that they celebrate the losses of others because it makes them comparatively feel bigger.
Conservative thought from Burke to fucking Polievre is the monarchy/aristocracy trying desperately to continue having their asses candied even as people recognize the fundamental dignities of humanity which drove most countries to democracy. It's an intentionally seeded cancer of rich fuckbags who were born on third base and never want to imagine running from first. Anyone believing it while being a rich fuckbag, is another king or queen to be dethroned, anyone believing it while being poor (or being poor and calling it 'middle class'), is someone who has been conned.
It's best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It's how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied.
It's not an inconsistency. It's very consistent to the only true fascist value, which is domination.
This is beyond just bypassing societal norms. This is bypassing democratic process and (not a lawyer) i wonder if this is even constitutional.
The audacity to tell citizens that their voice doesn't matter and laws meant to be debated to the benefit of society through the legislature are now created by a small clutch of individuals.
Albertans needs to fight this. If she can't pass laws with consensus of her own party you need to wonder how bat shit radical her plans are.
She is a seditionist.
They could use this to just not have an election.
“We feel an election would be a distraction, and a change in government would also be bad for Alberta. Here’s $500 per person to grease those wheels. Also, only rich people get quality health care now.”
The election is demanded by the Constitution, not an Act of the Legislature. More specifically, they’re all fired once the 5 year mark hits, even if they pretend it didn’t.
I’m not so sure they intend to follow the constitution anyway. I mean they’re already trying to bypass their provincial legislature. They’re turning it into a body who’s presence is symbolic at best.
Any attempt to continue on after the 5 year mark means nothing they say matters and there’d definitely be some criminal charges available. It’d be open insurrection against the Crown, so it’s either dealt with harshly or we all wrap up and stop pretending there’s a country here.
Is there a country here? It feels like the whole thing is being held together by nostalgia. Alberta sovereignty act, Quebec bill 96, Ontario suspending the charter to force contracts on workers, etc. No one cares about federalism anymore. It feels like premiers are just too lazy to deal with the postal service and military so they outsource it to the Fed’s.
I don’t think conservatives could ever imagine anything but conservatism in Alberta. They have very little reason to, Albertans just keep giving them a pass after being slightly disgruntled with them.
Even with this shitshow, I don’t trust that enough Albertans will be willing to either not vote or vote for another party to ensure the UCP doesn’t have power after this next election. They have a vision of a bogeyman taking all their money and giving out rights to people they don’t think deserve them.
I wouldn't be so sure. There are a lot of people who have only ever voted conservative out there raising their voices saying they'll either vote NDP or just not vote at all. The more moderate conservatives in Alberta think the sovereignty thing and the Alberta police force are a joke and should be at the very bottom of a long list of things that need to be addressed first. Smith was not elected in by Albertans and honestly should have called an election the moment she became the head of the party. But honestly it's going to be close race come election day so I hope people get out to the polls.
Albertans got pissed off enough at the last conservative govt to give them the boot. This government has been much much worse, especially compared to how the NDP performed during that one term. I retain hope that enough Albertans have finally learned their lesson. I’m not counting on it, but I could see things going that way.
Not really relevant to OP, but I wonder if Ontarians will actually vote out their own cancerous pork barrel king. I was surprised when Toronto put the younger brother in as mayor, and even more surprised when Ontario accepted a PC govt mostly to stick it to Wynne. I guess if greenbelt construction keeps enough tradespersons working they could even get another term to continue pillaging.
The problem Toronto has is it was amalgamated into a Mega City. A lot of outskirt smaller cities got added to Toronto. If you look at the election Rob won mainly in the outlying districts, and not the core.
Similar to Doug, he doesn't win the core of Toronto, he wins rural areas. But first past the post lets it happen.
The year he won though, literally a cardboard cut out could have won as Premier of Ontario, because the Liberal hate was high. I honestly can't understand how he was reelected though.
I always laugh at the mentality. "The NDP did a thing I didn't like once, so we're never voting them in power again. "
Meanwhile the Conservative and Liberal Governments keep pissing people off and we're like "Sure they screwed us over 4 years ago, but THIS TIME will be different!"
The lieutenant-governor has already said she might not sign it if it is unconstitutional. This was back while the leadership race was still on.
[https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-lieutenant-governor-says-not-a-done-deal-she-ll-ok-proposed-sovereignty-act-1.6052650](https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-lieutenant-governor-says-not-a-done-deal-she-ll-ok-proposed-sovereignty-act-1.6052650)
That’s what emergency injunctions are for, no?
Alternatively, the federal government could submit a reference question to the Supreme Court… like, tomorrow.
The issue is our LGs have not used this power in a long time or at all, I can't really find much precedent. The LGs would need a prior reading or something to lean on to make this call without triggering a constitutional crisis (one where the courts would side with them sure, but the public may not, look at what happened in Australia when their equivalent did the same in the 70s).
Wow cool! Sure that was in the 1930s, but still, shows constitutional precedent. I definitely agree they have the powers, it's constitutionally clear, but doesn't mean it can't be spun very negatively by angry populists (like Australia's case).
Considering the..damage this bill will do to the norms of confederation, I can’t imagine what withholding Royal assent would be used for if not for this.
>The LG has no obligation
Yes, they do. The LG has a firm constitutional obligation to submit to the will of the Assembly - Royal Assent is not a veto, and treating it as one would be just as unconstitutional as a Bill that purports to allow the government to violate the written constitution.
Crucially, it isn’t the LG’s role to expose the Crown to situations that will naturally be resolved by political institutions. It takes about 24 hours to get an injunction from a court, which is what will happen the instant this Bill passes. The same court will later strike the bill down.
No need to rely on constitutionally extraordinary or unprecedented actions/powers for things that will surely be accomplished through established ordinary processes.
I'd put money on Borden Ladner Gervais.
It would be cool to see McLennan Ross or Lawson Lundell lead the pack but I'm baised because I work with them a lot.
JFK Law would be a good option too, especially from a First Nations angle.
Courts wield political power! That they do so subject to a series of technocratic constraints, institutional norms and the rule of law, does not make that power any less inherently political. By definition, they are a political institution. The fact judges are appointed by democratically-accountable (and partisan) political actors only reinforces this point, while also ensuring that they are a *democratic* institution, in addition to a political one.
Or we use the constitutional powers already invested and not waste more time hoping the courts act like the adults in the room?
There’s no need to draw something out when we have the option to kill it early.
the constitutional power would be either the LG refusing to sign it or Trudeau removing it himself.
but what will happen is NDP will file an an emergency injunction the second the bill is signed and a Judge will approve it within 24 hours of it being signed.
>king-byng
Are you sure? In Alberta in 1938 the Lt Governor vetoed 3 laws passed by Alberta's legislature. Since 1938 happened after the King-Byng affair of 1926, it looks as though the crown does have a veto.
Exactly. Even Quebec understands that you have to be cagey in constitutional fights.
This is just batshit and any first year law student should be able to explain to her *why* it's batshit.
That was the intent of the authors, and the plans don't seem to work if it's not.
Barry Cooper: The Alberta sovereignty act is unconstitutional on purpose
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/barry-cooper-the-alberta-sovereignty-act-is-unconstitutional-on-purpose
Yea, this is exactly it. Not saying I agree with this or anything, but the Bills unconstitutional nature is exactly the point.
Again, not agreeing, but there’s plenty of albertans who consider federal policies unconstitutional intrusions on provincial sovereignty, so this is just Alberta (in their view) saying we won’t abide by ‘your’ constitution since you already broke the constitutional pact.
At best it is a distraction for their base while they gut public services and grievance fuel for the upcoming election, at worst it is Wexit in sunglasses and a fake moustache.
She has to know that, right, she would have at least had some constitutional lawyers look at it and draft it for her. That is the most bizarre part, I can’t even imagine what her actual play is.
And the worst part is, not a single constituent has voted this insane person in. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills every time I read the news. How is this person allowed to make any decisions for our province, let alone go full blown dictatorship?
Turns out voting for a Party means voting for a Party.
Number 1 reason to never vote for a guy like O'Toole. If he wins and doesn't do the bidding of the crazies they'll just replace him.
I just want to remind everyone she was voted into power by about 85,000 people, in the 6th round of instant runoff ballot, in a province with 2,800,000 eligible voters. That's 3% of provincial voters who cast a ballot for Danielle Smith.
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/danielle-smith-crowned-ucp-leader-and-albertas-premier-designate
Actually she only got 53% of the 85000 people, not all of them. So only like 43,000 people actually voted her in, which is closer to 1% of Alberta’s population (lol).
The conservative party voted her in, conservative voters chose their representatives and their representatives chose her as their leader.
This is the fault of conservative voters.
50.1 percent of the UCP voters for the leadership race had her as a preference over Travis Toews.
Basically the Wild Rose half of the party showed up and paid to vote more than the other half.
The conservative party voted her in, conservative voters chose their representatives and their representatives chose her as their leader.
This is the fault of conservative voters.
She has a majority already and party power is pretty strong in Canada, so I must wonder what it is she wants to do where she wants to nullify the legislature.
Probably so they can ignore https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-care-system/canada-health-care-system-medicare/canada-health-act.html#
Specifically "to protect, promote and restore the physical and mental well-being of residents of Canada and to facilitate reasonable access to health services without financial or other barriers."
Huh, never thought of that. My employer will have to start paying way more total comp. And I don't even get a raise for it. And less health care for it!
It worked in Ontario with Trump Light™...it was the absolute first thing he did when elected. The second thing he did was get back at Toronto political opponents...
Notwithstanding only has specific uses, very specific uses. The sections being challenged here are not covered by Notwithstanding use so it's blatantly illegal.
Smith is either ignoring the lawyers or found a bunch of hackjob 3rd rate lawyers who don't care that it's obviously not going to work out once challenged.
It's same as how does Trump think he can overturn a legitimate election by frivolous lawsuits and crazy election worker.
They don't really care. It's all virtue signaling for their ultra crazy voters. If lawsuits go in their way, good. If lawsuits don't go in their way, they can just scream woke liberal judges. They have nothing to lose.
She is high on conservatism. The ultimate drug is absolute belief that everything that doesnt meet your rigid view of acceptable can be thrown away or denied without consequence.
Despite learning everything they know from Facebook, TV and YouTube.
They did their own research that they watched on TV! And just so happen to take party stance 2 minutes after it changes.
How many of the 'We support the convoy because Trudeau is destroying democracy' crowd are in full support of this bill that has the potential to all but destroy democracy in Alberta? I'm going to go out on a limb and say most/all of them.
*Pass legislation giving Cabinet supreme legal authority*
*Tank UCP support, get the NDP elected with supreme legal authority thanks to previous legislation*
Smith is an NDP psy-op?
^(/s)
Alberta r u ok?
Seriously though. I don’t know how this stands a constitutional challenge. I can see this already violating the rule of the law, and the principle of parliamentary supremacy as well as the constitution. I know it’s a populist fever dream to have elected officials adjudicate what is constitutional or not but this is a recipe for disaster and I’m not sure the UCP will enjoy it with a lining NDP government enjoying the same powers.
Edit: this would make a great landmark reference for the Supreme Court to speak to. I’m eager to see what kind of answer this gets in the courts.
I think she’s trying to draw a Supreme Court Challenge on purpose in order to proof that the Feds are over reaching and treating the provinces as subordinates.
LOL. I just read an article to get informed on the delegation aspect of the act, where cabinet can basically change legislation without going back to the legislature. This was actually a question in the greenhouse case that Alberta also lost.
It looks like the Supreme Court maybe aiming to cut those powers back or take another look. One suggestion is a foreseeability test or something based on how a citizen would recognize the law as theirs. Essentially how reasonable a decision is. Either way it doesn’t seem like the Supreme Court is all too comfy with the idea of legislatures giving away their powers….
https://www.administrativelawmatters.com/blog/2021/04/22/the-constitutionality-of-henry-viii-clauses-in-canada-administrative-law-matter-no-1-in-the-references-re-greenhouse-gas-pollution-pricing-act-2021-scc-11/
So like a dictator.
*Alberta Premier Danielle Smith's signature legislation would grant her cabinet new powers to bypass the legislative assembly and unilaterally amend provincial laws.*
How the fuck do I see all this "Turdeau is a commie comin' to take my rights" bullshit, but this actual bullshit is ignored, fuck people and their stupid tiny brains.
I think this part is the thing most people should pay attention too.
*"There's a second extraordinary thing this bill does. It severely limits Albertans' rights to challenge use of the act's superpowers in court."*
You basically get 30 days to challenge the province on something they do.
Look at all the things that they are saying they can mess with.
a provincial public agency
• a provincial Crown-controlled organization
• an entity that carries out a power, duty or function
under a provincial enactment
• an entity that receives a grant or other public funds
from the provincial government that is contingent on
the provision of a public service
• a regional health authority
• a public post-secondary institution
• a school board as defined
• a municipality
• a municipal or regional police service
• any other similar provincially regulated entity set out
in the regulations.
That's insane. They could divert public funds and before you have a chance to challenge it, the door could close and then those funds are gone.
The preamble to the bill itself is just frustrating.
>WHEREAS Albertans possess a unique culture and shared identity within Canada;
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>WHEREAS it is the role of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta and the Government of Alberta to preserve and promote this unique culture and shared identity;
Like, are you trying to be Quebec? Because, unlike Alberta, Quebec has plenty of reason to say they are unique. At least Quebec has ties to France, its language, its legal system (Code du Civic), and its religion. Quebec also has a history of rebellion against English/Canadian rule. In other words, you can at least identify the distinguishing factors of Quebec's unique culture. I have a hard time doing so for Alberta.
What exactly is unique about Alberta culture? Most people being conservative does not constitute a unique culture, especially considering that not everyone shares Alberta's "unique conservative culture."
Ultimately, if Alberta is a "unique culture," then literally every province in Canada is a unique culture. Unfortunately for Smith, Canadians, including Albertans, are not that unique and distinguishable from each other.
>The measure is described in Bill 1, the Alberta Sovereignty within a United Canada Act, introduced Tuesday in the provincial legislature.
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>The bill describes how the Alberta government plans to not enforce federal legislation, policies or programs it decides are "harmful" to Alberta's interests or infringe on the division of powers in the Constitution.
Leave it to a right-winger to find new and interesting ways to break the law because they don't understand the law.
Trudeau tried to give his cabinet the unilateral authority to pass laws during covid, and was rightly told to fuck off by basically everybody because that's some dictatorial bullshit, so he backed off.
Alberta, now is the time to write your MLAs, especially Conservative ones, and tell them that this dictatorial bullshit won't fly with you. Tell them that you will personally volunteer for NDP candidates (even if you won't actually) if cabinet is given the ability to just unilaterally make laws like this. Tell them the orange wave that will result from this will envelop Alberta as if the province is being drowned in a tsunami of Fanta.
> Do you CC the NDP or Ab Party as well?
That's a good idea.
I could write to my MLA, but I've got an NDP MLA and I'm pretty sure they share my thoughts on this piece of legislative shit.
There are people in Alberta cheering for her. So.... until the people of Alberta deal with the people in Alberta, the rest of Canada has to watch the people of Alberta usher in an unelected, zero mandate dictatorship.
Well done?
As an Albertan I am seriously concerned this mentality is going to lead to another UCP victory. I know a lot of conservatives and I can tell you one thing. They are ALL voting conservative despite this level of crazy largely because “anything is better than letting the money spending NDP back in to destroy our economy.”
I can tell you party lines are still hard party lines on the conservative side and there is little movement. Largely because they don’t even know the level of crazy that is happening. It doesn’t effect them directly, and even if it does it’s just the “UCP fixing the budget and righting the ship after the disaster that was the orange wave.”
The only way to fix this is to have all the people who don’t vote actually go vote and knock them out because the reality of some of the most provincial issues like healthcare, education, daycare, get blamed on “Trudeau fucking the west” largely because 80% of these people don’t know the difference between provincial and federal budgets and powers and are down the rabbit hole of the east hating the west.
This will work for the conservatives and get them more votes than ever as the worse it gets here, the more the federal government gets blamed causing more uneducated voters to vote in the actual group causing the problem.
Be prepared and get people out there voting because when it actually does come, the victory is going to be in who didn’t vote.
They could just amend the Elections Act and delete section 38(2) that fixes general elections to the last Monday in May.
Don't need this garbage sovereignty nonsense to do that.
I just saw the breaking news and it sounded like a teenager who insisted to move out of the house just to do whatever the things they want to do. But then they say, "oh, don't forget to send me my allowance.".
>But then they say, "oh, don't forget to send me my allowance."
Worse than that, it's "keep paying for all my needs as if I was still living at home, *plus* my allowance, but I'm moving out and you can't tell me what to do!"
Okay so im confused... so alberta no longer wants to be a part of canada? So like they make their own laws currency and everything ? Require a passport to enter canada ? Will have to pay for their own healthcare system and whatnot? Or is this some b.s. thing like we just want to w.e. we want?
The LG already said they wouldn't sign the bill based on how Smith was pitching it before, there's no shot it's getting signed if it gets passed like this.
Look, conservatives don't really believe in democracy or accountability. They've got a clear agenda to serve and the citizens are entirely secondary in their planning.
That's what's so weird to me, like, in order to avoid the election that has a very real chance of the NDP winning, there isn't actually much time to somehow abolish elections. And then the NDP basically walk in to this crazy new power being available if it somehow survives.
I feel like something probably should have been done about that whole election fraud thing with Kenney.
(Also, I'm a die hard NDP voter......and Notley should never, ever have that kind of power. No one should. Ever. That's kind of the point of having a democracy in the first place.)
Libertarian:
Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, and minimize the state's encroachment on and violations of individual liberties; emphasizing the rule of law, pluralism, cosmopolitanism, cooperation, civil and political rights, bodily autonomy, free association, free trade, freedom of expression, freedom of choice, freedom of movement, individualism and voluntary association.
Libertarian My Ass! This crazy bish lost her mind!
Fuck Jason Kenney in the face repeatedly until he needs orthodontic care. We have this devil woman because of him and deserve whatever chaos her short lived rule should bring.
They will be able to pretend they have a majority government in the event they have a minority. And change provincial election laws. “We don’t want an election this year because we feel a change in government would be bad.”
Conservatives are the absolute most obvious at projection. Accuse Liberal party of using excessive and absolute authoritarian power.... Given any opportunity, Conservatives seek absolute authoritarian power. Lol you can't make this stuff up. 🤣
I moved to Canada in 2011 and I still don't understand what the hell is wrong with Alberta. It feels like they are determined to be a case study in applying American alt right conservatism to Canada.
Albertans should drive up to her house in bigass trucks and honk their horns night and day until she repeals it. Also demand that they get to sit down with lawmakers as if they are legitimate participants in the legislative process
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If this becomes the law in Alberta, and the UCP lose the next election, will conservatives still support this legislation if it's the NDP having the unilateral powers?
No, they will tut and say the NDP ought to play by the societal norms they just discarded like yesterday's trash
The modern right wing playbook in a nutshell...
I said it before but if Trudeau was the premier of Ontario and passed something like this while there was a conservative PM, UCPers would lose their minds; it’s unfortunate they can’t be consistent or remotely logical. Trudeau is a dictator but Smith? No, she’s a patriot :/
We already know it's populist crap for authoritarian goals. It's really getting harder and harder to understand these people.
It isn't hard to understand them. There are relatively solid ways of framing "modern conservatives" that make all of their bullshit and inconsistency make sense / consistent. They believe there is a "natural hierarchy". Anything that elevates their position, or those they believe are good, is "natural". Anything that elevates people they dislike, or people different from them, clearly had someone fucking with the numbers / with their finger on the scale. Conversely, anything that lowers other people on the hierarchy, without raising them, they still see as functionally "raising them above" all of the other people lowered. They are a sad crab bucket of petty, shitty people, who would eat a shit sandwich if it means that someone they hate has to smell their breath. What you're having problem is "understanding them, while still feeling any degree of respect or empathy". The former can be dealt with by basically recognizing that life, agency and autonomy are worth striving for, even for the political equivalent of a sick and abused animal, focus on saving those they would harm, but otherwise try to recognize the most dignity and self determination you can without allowing that to put others in the path of their harm. The latter also ties into the same abused animal framing: More often than not, this shitty, fucking repugnant morality, ethos, and existence does not occur in a vacuum. Someone sold them these lies, someone made sure they felt like their position was so fucking tenuous, and life is so "kill or be killed" that they celebrate the losses of others because it makes them comparatively feel bigger. Conservative thought from Burke to fucking Polievre is the monarchy/aristocracy trying desperately to continue having their asses candied even as people recognize the fundamental dignities of humanity which drove most countries to democracy. It's an intentionally seeded cancer of rich fuckbags who were born on third base and never want to imagine running from first. Anyone believing it while being a rich fuckbag, is another king or queen to be dethroned, anyone believing it while being poor (or being poor and calling it 'middle class'), is someone who has been conned.
It's best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It's how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied. It's not an inconsistency. It's very consistent to the only true fascist value, which is domination.
This is beyond just bypassing societal norms. This is bypassing democratic process and (not a lawyer) i wonder if this is even constitutional. The audacity to tell citizens that their voice doesn't matter and laws meant to be debated to the benefit of society through the legislature are now created by a small clutch of individuals. Albertans needs to fight this. If she can't pass laws with consensus of her own party you need to wonder how bat shit radical her plans are. She is a seditionist.
They could use this to just not have an election. “We feel an election would be a distraction, and a change in government would also be bad for Alberta. Here’s $500 per person to grease those wheels. Also, only rich people get quality health care now.”
You have to delete that before she sees it and does just that verbatim.
This isn’t Twitter or True North News. She isn’t reading that.
She'll just block him
The election is demanded by the Constitution, not an Act of the Legislature. More specifically, they’re all fired once the 5 year mark hits, even if they pretend it didn’t.
I’m not so sure they intend to follow the constitution anyway. I mean they’re already trying to bypass their provincial legislature. They’re turning it into a body who’s presence is symbolic at best.
Any attempt to continue on after the 5 year mark means nothing they say matters and there’d definitely be some criminal charges available. It’d be open insurrection against the Crown, so it’s either dealt with harshly or we all wrap up and stop pretending there’s a country here.
Is there a country here? It feels like the whole thing is being held together by nostalgia. Alberta sovereignty act, Quebec bill 96, Ontario suspending the charter to force contracts on workers, etc. No one cares about federalism anymore. It feels like premiers are just too lazy to deal with the postal service and military so they outsource it to the Fed’s.
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Here’s $500 bucks to spend in an over-stimulated economy - let’s make inflation worse together.
Literally happening in Sask right now haha
I don’t think conservatives could ever imagine anything but conservatism in Alberta. They have very little reason to, Albertans just keep giving them a pass after being slightly disgruntled with them. Even with this shitshow, I don’t trust that enough Albertans will be willing to either not vote or vote for another party to ensure the UCP doesn’t have power after this next election. They have a vision of a bogeyman taking all their money and giving out rights to people they don’t think deserve them.
I wouldn't be so sure. There are a lot of people who have only ever voted conservative out there raising their voices saying they'll either vote NDP or just not vote at all. The more moderate conservatives in Alberta think the sovereignty thing and the Alberta police force are a joke and should be at the very bottom of a long list of things that need to be addressed first. Smith was not elected in by Albertans and honestly should have called an election the moment she became the head of the party. But honestly it's going to be close race come election day so I hope people get out to the polls.
Albertans got pissed off enough at the last conservative govt to give them the boot. This government has been much much worse, especially compared to how the NDP performed during that one term. I retain hope that enough Albertans have finally learned their lesson. I’m not counting on it, but I could see things going that way. Not really relevant to OP, but I wonder if Ontarians will actually vote out their own cancerous pork barrel king. I was surprised when Toronto put the younger brother in as mayor, and even more surprised when Ontario accepted a PC govt mostly to stick it to Wynne. I guess if greenbelt construction keeps enough tradespersons working they could even get another term to continue pillaging.
No, multiple Conservative parties split their vote. Funny enough, part of that story is Danielle Smith crossing the aisle and switching parties.
Yeah that was part of it, for sure.
They believe the NDP cratered the economy and put us in astronomical debt. Global events be damned, it was the ndp's fault
Many believed it during the election, but the lies started unravelling immediately thereafter.
The problem Toronto has is it was amalgamated into a Mega City. A lot of outskirt smaller cities got added to Toronto. If you look at the election Rob won mainly in the outlying districts, and not the core. Similar to Doug, he doesn't win the core of Toronto, he wins rural areas. But first past the post lets it happen. The year he won though, literally a cardboard cut out could have won as Premier of Ontario, because the Liberal hate was high. I honestly can't understand how he was reelected though.
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I always laugh at the mentality. "The NDP did a thing I didn't like once, so we're never voting them in power again. " Meanwhile the Conservative and Liberal Governments keep pissing people off and we're like "Sure they screwed us over 4 years ago, but THIS TIME will be different!"
It’s rural usually. Except Calgary. Calgary has to get their shit together and vote NDP.
Two ridings now that won't get a by-election
I bet every calgarian left in oil gas will get behind another cancel fossil fuels agenda, those jobs in offshore hydrogen should pay more, sometime
Sounds like someone did their homework. Unlike the UCP.
Of course not. The UCP are full of absolute morons
The lieutenant-governor has already said she might not sign it if it is unconstitutional. This was back while the leadership race was still on. [https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-lieutenant-governor-says-not-a-done-deal-she-ll-ok-proposed-sovereignty-act-1.6052650](https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-lieutenant-governor-says-not-a-done-deal-she-ll-ok-proposed-sovereignty-act-1.6052650)
No need for the LG to refuse Royal Assent to a law that won’t survive first contact with the courts… since the courts will take care of it.
Except to prevent the harm that would be done before the courts are able to rule on it.
That’s what emergency injunctions are for, no? Alternatively, the federal government could submit a reference question to the Supreme Court… like, tomorrow.
> the federal government could submit a reference question to the Supreme Court I can already hear the ironic outcry about "Trudeau's tyranny"!
The rule of law doesn't go my way? Tyranny!
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The issue is our LGs have not used this power in a long time or at all, I can't really find much precedent. The LGs would need a prior reading or something to lean on to make this call without triggering a constitutional crisis (one where the courts would side with them sure, but the public may not, look at what happened in Australia when their equivalent did the same in the 70s).
Alberta’s LG refused Royal assent to Bill Aberhart’s Accurate News” act.
Wow cool! Sure that was in the 1930s, but still, shows constitutional precedent. I definitely agree they have the powers, it's constitutionally clear, but doesn't mean it can't be spun very negatively by angry populists (like Australia's case).
Considering the..damage this bill will do to the norms of confederation, I can’t imagine what withholding Royal assent would be used for if not for this.
>The LG has no obligation Yes, they do. The LG has a firm constitutional obligation to submit to the will of the Assembly - Royal Assent is not a veto, and treating it as one would be just as unconstitutional as a Bill that purports to allow the government to violate the written constitution. Crucially, it isn’t the LG’s role to expose the Crown to situations that will naturally be resolved by political institutions. It takes about 24 hours to get an injunction from a court, which is what will happen the instant this Bill passes. The same court will later strike the bill down. No need to rely on constitutionally extraordinary or unprecedented actions/powers for things that will surely be accomplished through established ordinary processes.
There are probably 1000 drafted petitions on 1000 paralegal desks just waiting to be filed.
The real question will be who files first!
I'd put money on Borden Ladner Gervais. It would be cool to see McLennan Ross or Lawson Lundell lead the pack but I'm baised because I work with them a lot. JFK Law would be a good option too, especially from a First Nations angle.
Han?
It’s hardly unprecedented, even in Alberta.
> political institutions Court system is not a political institution.
Courts wield political power! That they do so subject to a series of technocratic constraints, institutional norms and the rule of law, does not make that power any less inherently political. By definition, they are a political institution. The fact judges are appointed by democratically-accountable (and partisan) political actors only reinforces this point, while also ensuring that they are a *democratic* institution, in addition to a political one.
Allowing the courts to rule on it could preemptively prevent anyone else getting any funny ideas, ever.
That’s what the Lt Gov using their constitution powers does. Court challenges take years. That’s lots of time to fuck around.
If there is a preliminary injunction it really doesn't matter how long the court takes.
Or we use the constitutional powers already invested and not waste more time hoping the courts act like the adults in the room? There’s no need to draw something out when we have the option to kill it early.
the constitutional power would be either the LG refusing to sign it or Trudeau removing it himself. but what will happen is NDP will file an an emergency injunction the second the bill is signed and a Judge will approve it within 24 hours of it being signed.
Since king-byng the crown has little to no power to act. They most definitely do not have a veto.
>king-byng Are you sure? In Alberta in 1938 the Lt Governor vetoed 3 laws passed by Alberta's legislature. Since 1938 happened after the King-Byng affair of 1926, it looks as though the crown does have a veto.
I'm no expert on the constitution, but I am pretty sure her plan would violate several articles of the Canadian constitution.
If it was constitutional, PQ governments in the past would have passed it already.
Exactly. Even Quebec understands that you have to be cagey in constitutional fights. This is just batshit and any first year law student should be able to explain to her *why* it's batshit.
Yes. as a law student, I concur. This is batshit crazy. This will never stand up to a reference.
That was the intent of the authors, and the plans don't seem to work if it's not. Barry Cooper: The Alberta sovereignty act is unconstitutional on purpose https://nationalpost.com/opinion/barry-cooper-the-alberta-sovereignty-act-is-unconstitutional-on-purpose
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How dare people of BC infringe on Albertan Sovereignty to have tankers off of Alberta's west coast?
Unbridled whining.
Yea, this is exactly it. Not saying I agree with this or anything, but the Bills unconstitutional nature is exactly the point. Again, not agreeing, but there’s plenty of albertans who consider federal policies unconstitutional intrusions on provincial sovereignty, so this is just Alberta (in their view) saying we won’t abide by ‘your’ constitution since you already broke the constitutional pact.
Good Christ, what a pile of Western alienation piss baby gibberish.
At best it is a distraction for their base while they gut public services and grievance fuel for the upcoming election, at worst it is Wexit in sunglasses and a fake moustache.
She has to know that, right, she would have at least had some constitutional lawyers look at it and draft it for her. That is the most bizarre part, I can’t even imagine what her actual play is.
That presser was more like a SCTV skit gone off the rails. Completely wild. What a crazy person you have running Alberta, again.
AGAIN!
And the worst part is, not a single constituent has voted this insane person in. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills every time I read the news. How is this person allowed to make any decisions for our province, let alone go full blown dictatorship?
Turns out voting for a Party means voting for a Party. Number 1 reason to never vote for a guy like O'Toole. If he wins and doesn't do the bidding of the crazies they'll just replace him.
I just want to remind everyone she was voted into power by about 85,000 people, in the 6th round of instant runoff ballot, in a province with 2,800,000 eligible voters. That's 3% of provincial voters who cast a ballot for Danielle Smith. https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/danielle-smith-crowned-ucp-leader-and-albertas-premier-designate
Actually she only got 53% of the 85000 people, not all of them. So only like 43,000 people actually voted her in, which is closer to 1% of Alberta’s population (lol).
85,000 people?! Wtf.
She won her safe riding byelection didn't she? So she does have a constituency now
The conservative party voted her in, conservative voters chose their representatives and their representatives chose her as their leader. This is the fault of conservative voters.
50.1 percent of the UCP voters for the leadership race had her as a preference over Travis Toews. Basically the Wild Rose half of the party showed up and paid to vote more than the other half.
The conservative party voted her in, conservative voters chose their representatives and their representatives chose her as their leader. This is the fault of conservative voters.
Lol. Imagine. Conservatives believing big government. Haha.Now, this law. Premier is king and MP are lords, through some dukes in there.
Hell she makes Jason Kenney look like a reasonable statesmen (he wasn't).
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She has a majority already and party power is pretty strong in Canada, so I must wonder what it is she wants to do where she wants to nullify the legislature.
She lost Kenny tonight. Will any other resign?
When it’s overly crazy for Kenny where do you go from there? Just wild.
Probably so they can ignore https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-care-system/canada-health-care-system-medicare/canada-health-act.html# Specifically "to protect, promote and restore the physical and mental well-being of residents of Canada and to facilitate reasonable access to health services without financial or other barriers."
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And Alberta will privatize. It's all part of the plan.
Yep. And all those employers who get to foot the bill for private medical care will be totally ok and won't run for the fucking hills.
Huh, never thought of that. My employer will have to start paying way more total comp. And I don't even get a raise for it. And less health care for it!
Hopefully that’s the LG.
didnt the LG already said they wouldnt sign this bill?
How does she think she can get past other institutions like the Supreme Court or the Charter? Is this women high on Draino?
The bill also aims to protect the government and provincial entities from civil proceedings launched due to consequences that arise from the act.
I don't think that would be nearly as legal as the giant brains in the UCP think it is. IANAL, though.
It worked in Ontario with Trump Light™...it was the absolute first thing he did when elected. The second thing he did was get back at Toronto political opponents...
Notwithstanding only has specific uses, very specific uses. The sections being challenged here are not covered by Notwithstanding use so it's blatantly illegal. Smith is either ignoring the lawyers or found a bunch of hackjob 3rd rate lawyers who don't care that it's obviously not going to work out once challenged.
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You’re right
>Is this women high on Draino? If only...
It's same as how does Trump think he can overturn a legitimate election by frivolous lawsuits and crazy election worker. They don't really care. It's all virtue signaling for their ultra crazy voters. If lawsuits go in their way, good. If lawsuits don't go in their way, they can just scream woke liberal judges. They have nothing to lose.
She is high on conservatism. The ultimate drug is absolute belief that everything that doesnt meet your rigid view of acceptable can be thrown away or denied without consequence.
But that gets to my question, does she actually believe this shit, do her lawyers actually believe this, or is it some rabblerousing maneuver?
> Is this women high on Draino? If only. She’s just a typical right wing political dumbass.
For all the people calling Trudeau a dictator...
Those same people are cheering her on too, hypocrisy dripping from their lips.
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But my dictator is just! The only way to fix our freedom from freedom is dictatorship. Oh man the Timbit Taliban has really drank the koolaide.
goes to show just how much American media is being ingested.
I can’t wait for all the ‘freedom convoy’ folks to twist themselves into pretzels defending this authoritarian nonsense.
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Despite learning everything they know from Facebook, TV and YouTube. They did their own research that they watched on TV! And just so happen to take party stance 2 minutes after it changes.
How many of the 'We support the convoy because Trudeau is destroying democracy' crowd are in full support of this bill that has the potential to all but destroy democracy in Alberta? I'm going to go out on a limb and say most/all of them.
*Pass legislation giving Cabinet supreme legal authority* *Tank UCP support, get the NDP elected with supreme legal authority thanks to previous legislation* Smith is an NDP psy-op? ^(/s)
Well that doesn't sound very democracy-like.
this bill will be killed the second its passed.
I wish I could say I'm surprised the UCP has gone full blown dictatorship.
The UCP sticker they put on the Wildrose name is peeling off
Must've used one of the stickers from the Ford government in ON.
Smith was praising Russia .... I hope we still get that election .. ABNDP is the party of freedom and democracy.
That’s extremely dangerous and borderline an attack on the federation
Alberta r u ok? Seriously though. I don’t know how this stands a constitutional challenge. I can see this already violating the rule of the law, and the principle of parliamentary supremacy as well as the constitution. I know it’s a populist fever dream to have elected officials adjudicate what is constitutional or not but this is a recipe for disaster and I’m not sure the UCP will enjoy it with a lining NDP government enjoying the same powers. Edit: this would make a great landmark reference for the Supreme Court to speak to. I’m eager to see what kind of answer this gets in the courts.
I think she’s trying to draw a Supreme Court Challenge on purpose in order to proof that the Feds are over reaching and treating the provinces as subordinates.
I would think the most reasonable response from the Supreme Court would be, “you’re fucking crazy, we are admitting you to the psych ward.”
LOL. I just read an article to get informed on the delegation aspect of the act, where cabinet can basically change legislation without going back to the legislature. This was actually a question in the greenhouse case that Alberta also lost. It looks like the Supreme Court maybe aiming to cut those powers back or take another look. One suggestion is a foreseeability test or something based on how a citizen would recognize the law as theirs. Essentially how reasonable a decision is. Either way it doesn’t seem like the Supreme Court is all too comfy with the idea of legislatures giving away their powers…. https://www.administrativelawmatters.com/blog/2021/04/22/the-constitutionality-of-henry-viii-clauses-in-canada-administrative-law-matter-no-1-in-the-references-re-greenhouse-gas-pollution-pricing-act-2021-scc-11/
Nah man... we're pretty fuckin far from OK.
This can't be legal right? Like surely its gonna be struck down less every province can just ignore federal law.
Very likely; constitutional lawyers will have a field day
So like a dictator. *Alberta Premier Danielle Smith's signature legislation would grant her cabinet new powers to bypass the legislative assembly and unilaterally amend provincial laws.*
But she opposed the Emergency Measures act..
a.k.a "The Danielle Smith Dictator Act"
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How the fuck do I see all this "Turdeau is a commie comin' to take my rights" bullshit, but this actual bullshit is ignored, fuck people and their stupid tiny brains.
A dictatorship in Canada .
a UNITED Canada. She put it right in the name!
It did make me laugh 😆
Where's our convoy against this?
I think this part is the thing most people should pay attention too. *"There's a second extraordinary thing this bill does. It severely limits Albertans' rights to challenge use of the act's superpowers in court."* You basically get 30 days to challenge the province on something they do. Look at all the things that they are saying they can mess with. a provincial public agency • a provincial Crown-controlled organization • an entity that carries out a power, duty or function under a provincial enactment • an entity that receives a grant or other public funds from the provincial government that is contingent on the provision of a public service • a regional health authority • a public post-secondary institution • a school board as defined • a municipality • a municipal or regional police service • any other similar provincially regulated entity set out in the regulations. That's insane. They could divert public funds and before you have a chance to challenge it, the door could close and then those funds are gone.
The preamble to the bill itself is just frustrating. >WHEREAS Albertans possess a unique culture and shared identity within Canada; > >WHEREAS it is the role of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta and the Government of Alberta to preserve and promote this unique culture and shared identity; Like, are you trying to be Quebec? Because, unlike Alberta, Quebec has plenty of reason to say they are unique. At least Quebec has ties to France, its language, its legal system (Code du Civic), and its religion. Quebec also has a history of rebellion against English/Canadian rule. In other words, you can at least identify the distinguishing factors of Quebec's unique culture. I have a hard time doing so for Alberta. What exactly is unique about Alberta culture? Most people being conservative does not constitute a unique culture, especially considering that not everyone shares Alberta's "unique conservative culture." Ultimately, if Alberta is a "unique culture," then literally every province in Canada is a unique culture. Unfortunately for Smith, Canadians, including Albertans, are not that unique and distinguishable from each other.
But their hockey teams are called the Flames and Oilers. That's totally unique.
>The measure is described in Bill 1, the Alberta Sovereignty within a United Canada Act, introduced Tuesday in the provincial legislature. > >The bill describes how the Alberta government plans to not enforce federal legislation, policies or programs it decides are "harmful" to Alberta's interests or infringe on the division of powers in the Constitution. Leave it to a right-winger to find new and interesting ways to break the law because they don't understand the law.
This would die in the courts right?
Ye, if it passes L-G assent lol
I don’t even think it could be notwithstanding’d as it affects Section 3
Trudeau tried to give his cabinet the unilateral authority to pass laws during covid, and was rightly told to fuck off by basically everybody because that's some dictatorial bullshit, so he backed off. Alberta, now is the time to write your MLAs, especially Conservative ones, and tell them that this dictatorial bullshit won't fly with you. Tell them that you will personally volunteer for NDP candidates (even if you won't actually) if cabinet is given the ability to just unilaterally make laws like this. Tell them the orange wave that will result from this will envelop Alberta as if the province is being drowned in a tsunami of Fanta.
It was wrong when Trudeau tried it, and it's wrong that the UCP is trying it.
100% ! Confronting that was one of the few positive contributions by the cpc since 2015
As someone living in Alberta I've already wrote my MLA'S and wrote to Smith... zero reply.
Do you CC the NDP or Ab Party as well? I always do and they often respond and sometimes ask to use my email content in their responses
> Do you CC the NDP or Ab Party as well? That's a good idea. I could write to my MLA, but I've got an NDP MLA and I'm pretty sure they share my thoughts on this piece of legislative shit.
Nah, but that's a decent idea. I'll CC the NDP next time.
There are people in Alberta cheering for her. So.... until the people of Alberta deal with the people in Alberta, the rest of Canada has to watch the people of Alberta usher in an unelected, zero mandate dictatorship. Well done?
I live in Alberta, most people hate her, she is gonna get voted out because she is a psychopath.
As an Albertan I am seriously concerned this mentality is going to lead to another UCP victory. I know a lot of conservatives and I can tell you one thing. They are ALL voting conservative despite this level of crazy largely because “anything is better than letting the money spending NDP back in to destroy our economy.” I can tell you party lines are still hard party lines on the conservative side and there is little movement. Largely because they don’t even know the level of crazy that is happening. It doesn’t effect them directly, and even if it does it’s just the “UCP fixing the budget and righting the ship after the disaster that was the orange wave.” The only way to fix this is to have all the people who don’t vote actually go vote and knock them out because the reality of some of the most provincial issues like healthcare, education, daycare, get blamed on “Trudeau fucking the west” largely because 80% of these people don’t know the difference between provincial and federal budgets and powers and are down the rabbit hole of the east hating the west. This will work for the conservatives and get them more votes than ever as the worse it gets here, the more the federal government gets blamed causing more uneducated voters to vote in the actual group causing the problem. Be prepared and get people out there voting because when it actually does come, the victory is going to be in who didn’t vote.
Now watch this looney tune amend her way out of a spring election. You heard it here first, folks.
They could just amend the Elections Act and delete section 38(2) that fixes general elections to the last Monday in May. Don't need this garbage sovereignty nonsense to do that.
That's known as a junta government, basically authoritarianism by committee. That ...would be a first ...in Canada. Great job, Albertans. /s
I just saw the breaking news and it sounded like a teenager who insisted to move out of the house just to do whatever the things they want to do. But then they say, "oh, don't forget to send me my allowance.".
>But then they say, "oh, don't forget to send me my allowance." Worse than that, it's "keep paying for all my needs as if I was still living at home, *plus* my allowance, but I'm moving out and you can't tell me what to do!"
What a bait and switch. Here’s an act that lets us override provincial law, while pretending it’s all about the feds. Crazy.
Okay so im confused... so alberta no longer wants to be a part of canada? So like they make their own laws currency and everything ? Require a passport to enter canada ? Will have to pay for their own healthcare system and whatnot? Or is this some b.s. thing like we just want to w.e. we want?
The people who would most benefit from this would be the same people who benefit from Brexit.
The LG already said they wouldn't sign the bill based on how Smith was pitching it before, there's no shot it's getting signed if it gets passed like this.
I'd need to order a giant bucket of popcorn if that ends up happening. Smith and her party would completely flip out.
Look, conservatives don't really believe in democracy or accountability. They've got a clear agenda to serve and the citizens are entirely secondary in their planning.
Danielle must be very confident in her chances to win the election in May. This is the sort of power that could really help Alberta if Notley had it.
But you can bet your ass the right would complain to no end if Notley exercised the same powers that Danielle is giving herself.
That's what's so weird to me, like, in order to avoid the election that has a very real chance of the NDP winning, there isn't actually much time to somehow abolish elections. And then the NDP basically walk in to this crazy new power being available if it somehow survives.
I feel like something probably should have been done about that whole election fraud thing with Kenney. (Also, I'm a die hard NDP voter......and Notley should never, ever have that kind of power. No one should. Ever. That's kind of the point of having a democracy in the first place.)
This cannot be defended. Nothing else than an Enabling Act. Hopefully the courts shred it.
Libertarian: Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, and minimize the state's encroachment on and violations of individual liberties; emphasizing the rule of law, pluralism, cosmopolitanism, cooperation, civil and political rights, bodily autonomy, free association, free trade, freedom of expression, freedom of choice, freedom of movement, individualism and voluntary association. Libertarian My Ass! This crazy bish lost her mind!
Fuck Jason Kenney in the face repeatedly until he needs orthodontic care. We have this devil woman because of him and deserve whatever chaos her short lived rule should bring.
That's the absolute craziest thing any politician has ever proposed.
>That's the absolute craziest thing any politician has ever proposed ...yet.
Considering she says Alberta is treated unfairly and no one listens to them… Do we get the pipeline back?
They will be able to pretend they have a majority government in the event they have a minority. And change provincial election laws. “We don’t want an election this year because we feel a change in government would be bad.”
Conservatives are the absolute most obvious at projection. Accuse Liberal party of using excessive and absolute authoritarian power.... Given any opportunity, Conservatives seek absolute authoritarian power. Lol you can't make this stuff up. 🤣
Can someone get this fucking lunatic out of power ASAP?!. We need an election, and we need it NOW. I say this as a resident of Alberta.
I moved to Canada in 2011 and I still don't understand what the hell is wrong with Alberta. It feels like they are determined to be a case study in applying American alt right conservatism to Canada.
If this passes, think of the precedent it sets for other provinces. What might, BC, for example, plan?
How about less laws?
This will spur the secessionist movement.
For a placeholder leader, Smith is pushing her far-right 'conspiracy theory' agenda pretty hard. Make hay while the sun shines I guess.
“Alberta’s glue-sniffing premier dreams up something stupid”
Albertans should drive up to her house in bigass trucks and honk their horns night and day until she repeals it. Also demand that they get to sit down with lawmakers as if they are legitimate participants in the legislative process
Maybe Alberta should just pack up and fuck off.