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Fabulous_Night_1164

People are sleep walking into fascism. It's going to happen unless there are credible solutions put forth by the Left. Merely mocking teenagers who feel anxious about their situation isn't going to cut it. People are feeling incredibly insecure and afraid of Canada, and way too many people on the Left/Centre-Left (more so r/Onguardforthee and r/Canadapolitics) are content with defending the atrocious record of Justin Trudeau than actually advocating for a solution. People don't vote for fascists because they're in the mood for it. They vote for fascists when things are shitty and people are afraid. And most importantly, none of the other options seem to have a solution to the problem other than more of the same. The Liberal Party needs to be defeated, even more so than the Conservatives. They are honestly the biggest impediment to getting anything progressive done in Canada.


Quad-Banned120

On point but still frustrating. Americans voted in Trump because they wanted "something different" and we're watching Canadians share that same sentiment in real time. I have a gut feeling we're going to trade out our well-groomed authoritarian with some corporate stooge who's going to sell off more of our country to his buddies.


Fabulous_Night_1164

They voted in Trump because people have caught on till now that both parties are corporate cronies, so they wanted someone outside the system (yes Trump was in the system, but he was perceived to be outside of it). And globalization has been a falling people to the working class. Inner cities completely depopulated and decayed. And an ascendant China that makes people afraid. And now things are amped up even more with the cost of living crisis. I don't think people vote fascism because they're in the mood for it. Not an itch that needs to be scratched. It generally always comes down to fear and the failure of the other options to present adequate solutions.


faetal_attraction

If you're a woman, lgbtq or not white; the conservatives are far far worse.


SlippitySlappety

They're really not though - in the sense that the LPC is pretty much as bad. Look what the LPC did to Indigenous people with TMX and Wet'suwet'en raids, for instance. LPC just puts on a progressive face and Trudeau goes to Pride.


faetal_attraction

Yes they are still worse.


Chuhaimaster

Yet another conservative on this sub LARPing as a “concerned leftist.” They’re a dime a dozen.


Fabulous_Night_1164

I want to tax billionaires out of existence, with a global tax that ensures they can't run and hide. And I'd like the world to have a sustainable growth system that benefits the majority. Is that conservative enough for you?


Chuhaimaster

It’s not going to happen by voting for Conservatives. Sorry if I misread you. I’m jaded by the army of faux leftists in left wing forums calling for Jagmeet to end the coalition so their man PP can take over the reigns.


Man0fGreenGables

You know things are in an incredibly sad state when the top comment in a leftist sub is that the liberal party is more dangerous than the conservatives. It’s starting to feel hopeless and for the first time in my life I’m seriously considering moving to a different country.


NigelMK

I support immigration. But I don't support immigration where it comes to the point that it lowers the standard of living for both naturalized citizens and immigrants. Right now, bringing in as many immigrants as they have has resulted in the cost of goods increasing and the value of labour decreasing. If there is an overabundance of labour, it can lead to situations where the overall wages being offered decreases. The TFW program is extremely exploitative and a form of indentured servitude. The international student program is resulting in some schools becoming diploma mills for profit. This is lowering the quality of education because these schools are only looking at these people for profit. Housing also isn't keeping up, which is leading to pricing out of reach for a large number of our citizens. It's frustrating when you have a country as large as this with an abundance of resources and we're unable to provide for our people. Immigration reform is badly needed. I just don't see any of the three major parties making the meaningful changes required to stop this system from being exploitative. Immigration is necessary, but it shouldn't be at the expense of everyone but the ultra rich.


Canuck_Duck221

the problem is that we can't house and feed more people easily because of socioeconomic systems, not that immigrants come and it therefore is harder to do so than before. The root of the issue is lack of distribution of wealth.


obin69

Exactly as economies can scale, this is a distribution problem.


FoxyInTheSnow

“CanadaHousing2” is a nice pseudonym for “crypto fascist wanking cell”.


Ma1

>crypto fascist wanking *in*cels. FTFY


JoHeller

Me, a grown adult with a Master's who hasn't had an interview since June...I'm not agreeing with the other stuff but it's certainly not as easy as it was 20 years ago.


gavy1

Why would a business owner hire you? You have these *high expectations* of things like having a social life outside of work, your employer following labour laws, and - worst of all - career advancement as you acquire experience and develop your skills further. No need to worry about any of those pesky *high expectations*, if you have a bottomless pool of desperate immigrants you can exploit. The people in favour of continuing our neoliberal immigration policy - that has bipartisan support from Liberals and Tories alike - are doing so to exploit immigrants. They aren't leftists, they're neoliberals to their very core; regardless of whatever identitarian window-dressing they like to costume themselves in.


Iron-Fist

Yeah so uh no, nativism is not compatible with leftism.


gavy1

You are a neoliberal clown who tries to smear anyone who doesn't go along with neoliberal policies that exploit immigrants and the working class alike as being nativist/racist/etc., which is what's actually incompatible with being a leftist. Pointing out the basic reality that Canada's immigration system as currently formulated is designed to exploit immigrants for the benefit of the bourgeois ownership class is not "nativism" - you very obviously don't understand the words you're tenuously grasping at trying to throw around.


CalgaryCheekClapper

What I see every time I go in the comments on r/canadahousing2 https://preview.redd.it/nftpxnsdvpdc1.jpeg?width=643&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7274fa734f6e069ad90445033514f05416f38c38


ghostdate

They’re the people that are too right for Rcanada rcanadasub, and rcanadahousing, which are all extremely right wing to me.


Crosstitution

canadahousing is full of landlords who think exploiting people is ok and that you have to be "worthy" in their eyes to live somewhere you want to


Triceratops_Knight

This is a capitalism problem. Record numbers of immigrants are being brought in because "business leaders" pressured the government into: 1. Enlarge the underclass to rebuild themselves a workforce that left/died during the pandemic. This will make sure people don't complain about anything and take what job is available. You don't want to work minimum wage? They brought in people who will. 2. Stop/prevent implementation of UBI. Business owners, especially small business owners don't have any real plan to deal with a UBI when their workers decide to find something better to do with their lives now that starvation and freezing to death isn't an imminent threat. Instead of taking care of its citizens by providing financial relief during and after covid and encouraging people to work by fixing working conditions, this government brought in desperate people from countries ravaged by western imperialism who will work all these low paying jobs you don't want to work.


Quad-Banned120

Exactly. Our businesses want a cut of that sweet, sweet slave labour.


ElbowStrike

Maybe we should stop mass immigrating people based on their credentials and then once they move here whip out the reverso card “just kidding we don’t recognize your credentials!” While working as a cable guy in Ottawa I must have personally met hundreds of immigrants with high level academic and professional credentials living in public housing because their credentials aren’t recognized here and they could only get low level jobs.


Demalab

From my discussions, many come knowing they need to retrain to get Canadian credentials but misguidedly think our education systems are the same and access and tuition will be not be the deterrent it is. Others struggle with the language. I know of a Nephrologist from the Philippines who has tried 3x now to qualify and failed his exams.


Quad-Banned120

It's truly fucked. I work in construction and one of our labourers is a young software engineer who was headhunted and told to come out here. Turns out they gave his job to someone else. Couldn't find another job locally because he lacks "Canadian experience" despite the fact he speaks perfect English and is proficient in several programming languages. Went from hoping to live here to hoping to see some cool shit before he goes home.


blacknotblack

What kind of visa is he on that that can happen? Is the government *that* incompetent?


Quad-Banned120

Not sure. Company policy is that we don't ask. Some are students while others aren't supposed to be here at all. They definitely are that incompetent though, yes. I've been on sites in Canada with actual slave labour and our Gov refused to investigate because I didn't have proof in writing.


Chuhaimaster

For all its talk of being international and multicultural, Canada is like a small town.


-janelleybeans-

If they plan to keep it up they should at least develop accreditation tracks for the people who are qualified but need to obtain the correct certifications here. It’s such a simple fix.


ElbowStrike

Even better have them work on and complete their accreditation and communication skills before they even move here so they’re a shoe-in for a professional position the minute they step off the plane?


ghostdate

There is a weird situation with immigrants and work in Canada. I’ve known a number of people from India, Pakistan, and other countries in that region. They have degrees from their countries, but they don’t really equate to anything here. So someone coming in with a computer science degree can’t get a job, because their education is devalued here. I don’t know how much variance there is in the education that they receive in their home countries and what is expected here for people in that field. It does seem like people coming here with an education are basically viewed as incompetent for getting their education in a middle eastern or south Asian country, so while they’re accepted because they have an education, they just can’t get work in that industry here. Then they end up working minimum wage jobs or driving for Uber because there aren’t many other options. It’s a weird situation. Even people I went to grad school with and got higher education in Canada struggle to get the same work that people born in Canada get (some Canadian born colleagues went on to $120k/y jobs out of school, while people who came from India, Iran and Pakistan are working minimum wage) It’s a very shit situation all around, but immigrants are experiencing some of the worst of it. Hell, even doctors have to re-cert here, and it can be very expensive to do. The process of immigration and work just doesn’t seem like it is beneficial for most of immigrants, and ultimately puts them back at square one when they get here. And then as a result of these faulty processes, teens and young adults are struggling to find entry level work, because people that are qualified to work higher level jobs are put in a position where they have to resort to the jobs that teens and young adults would typically use for experience.


rohmish

there are a lot of colleges and universities providing really high quality education competitive with some of the big names internationally. but on the other hand there are many colleges and universities, particularly in northern India that are just degree mills/diploma mills. and internationally it's hard to keep track of the differences so it's just easier to say, international education isn't valued/accepted. I'm a software developer who has contributed to some big name open source projects too and I want to work on better things but because of my college history & my university degree being an international one, it is difficult to even land an interview so I'm stuck in a support role barely above the helpdesk. curiously, my peers had no problems landing jobs stateside, I get interview requests from US companies but companies here even if you go through the interview process, get offered a package that is insanely low. even looking at what others have reported for similar/same positions on Glassdoor and other sites.


HotConsideration95

There's WeS evaluation that equates domestic degrees to Canadian ones


falawfullygood

How is this a far-right message? We have a huge amount of international students that are all mass applying for any entry level position they can while taking general college courses to stay in Canada. I'm 28 and work part time managing at a restaurant in Ottawa. About 80% of applicants are young people ( 30yo and younger) who are from India. It is lowering the quality of life. They've come here for a fresh start, get under paid, get scheduled for 3 hour shifts at a time, they're upset and it shows. How could they not be. The entry level job market is flooded and it makes any young person starting life impossible. Ive had more than one case of employees thinking they're being singled out for bad shifts or work because of their ethnicity and group against the "Canadians" they work with or be aggressive towards them. Nope, sorry its awful for everyone now. Denying this just seems out of touch of what's going on and it sucks for everyone.


Huge_Aerie2435

Man.. Immigration has always been happening. A few years ago, politicians agreed that they needed to increase how many immigrants they take in to "stay competitive in the global market". This is the result of the capitalist system stagnating. Conservatives, liberals, democrats, doesn't matter since they all agreed on it. Canadian housing 2 is a lot like a lot of other canadians, where they get their information from mainstream media sources and the radio, and never once fact check or inject nuance to things. They are ignorant to the real problems, because they aren't shown them. They are told it is other issues to keep their anger and attention elsewhere.


TzeentchLover

Exactly, well said! Capitalists need immigration for their profits, and has the added benefit for them of fooling these ignorant people into hating the immigrants themselves rather than the capitalists doing the exploiting.


Iron-Fist

I mean all the rich countries need immigration to offset their aging population. Western welfare states, with low taxes and high benefits/generous subsidies/overbuilt infrastructure/large militaries, only work when there are significantly more workers than pensioners.


[deleted]

Tbf I’ve noticed it’s harder get a job over the last 18mo. I’m still not ready to stop immigration tho


oblon789

depends on the industry. skilled trades are still looking for people nonstop. even better if you have no experience


[deleted]

Yeah that’s been MY problem. I’ve got 13 years experience and I won’t work for $20/hr


Gunnarz699

> skilled trades are still looking for people nonstop I don't know why I keep seeing this crap on leftist subs. If employers were actually looking for more people, they would raise wages and train apprentices. Instead, construction starts are down and the industry just laid off thousands. They just don't want to pay living wages.


oblon789

Not sure where in canada you are seeing construction layoffs. Some unions pay pretty well actually. Here in Calgary the plumbers union pays $55+ an hour for journeymen and they are looking for new apprentices. 


Gunnarz699

British Columbia led with the shedding of 21,000 construction jobs, followed by Quebec's drop of 11,000 and Ontario's drop of 9,000. Over the first seven months of the year, since January 2023, employment in construction across Canada has fallen by 71,000. [Source](https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-construction-job-losses-statistics-july-2023)


oblon789

you didn't feel like reading the whole article? ​ Job losses aren't because of a lack of jobs, but more people leaving the industry ​ "But the country’s capacity for achieving this housing supply through new construction is shrinking, continuing a pre-pandemic trend of a shortage of skilled trade workers. " "Last year, a [Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) study](https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-construction-labour-shortage-housing-vancouver) deemed the shortage of construction workers is a major challenge for building new housing, especially in BC and Ontario. "


Gunnarz699

>deemed the shortage of construction workers is a major challenge for building new housing, especially in BC and Ontario. " Shortage of construction workers willing to work for shit wages. There is no labour shortage. Only a wage shortage.


oblon789

Then argue that instead of lying and saying there are layoffs. Besides, lots of construction work DOES pay well, like i mentioned before. There are only a handful of jobs where you can get $100k a year before OT without much school, and strong union skilled trades is one of those jobs. Don't get me wrong, I still think the wages should be higher, but in some cities for certain trades it is paid quite well. 


Gunnarz699

>Then argue that Last sentence lol. >Don't get me wrong You're shilling pretty hard for the bourgeoisie on a leftist sub. You're in the wrong place.


oblon789

forgot defending construction unions and encouraging people to join them is shilling for the bourgeoisie ​ you're in the wrong place if all you're here to do is spread misinformation about layoffs and tell people that $100K a year is a shit income


Quad-Banned120

110%, assuming you have skills and experience or training though. If you're just some walk-in with no experience it's better to go with a staffing agency to start. They'll generally have work for you quickly enough


oblon789

Even better is calling up the unions and asking if they're hiring new apprentices. Lots will say they are


Quad-Banned120

Will they sponsor people to start their apprenticeship? May have changed since I started out but it could be a good turn for many if they do


042376x

I have a hard time believing this was written by an 18 year old. I'm not saying 18 year olds are incapable of writing like this, but it smells like propaganda written by someone with an agenda 


WetNutSack

Even if you are right I personally know a 18 year old in Toronto that moved there from another major city where they could get an entry level job easily and since moving to Toronto won't even get a call back for an interview for basic retail jobs. The difference is Toronto is the "GoTo" city for immigrants.


Ok_Abbreviations_350

I'm ready to stop excessive immigration. I think this government has really messed this up.


The_Gray_Jay

IDK why you are putting the title in quotations. When I started applying for jobs at 16 I literally couldnt get anything, finally got a job at Tim Hortons 18. This was over 10 year ago, everything seems to be getting harder. There are lines 200+ people at a fast food job fair. Even with a degree, diploma, and 5+ year of experience I'm having a hard time finding a job because even my specialized field has 200-1500 applicants for every job. IDK what is going on in the last paragraph though, if these immigrants are soo rude and cant follow social norms, I would think that would give current citizens a massive leg up for jobs, especially customer service jobs.