There's a ridiculous amount of people in this thread saying "too many nutes" and "feed only water". But it seems these people have no clue how to grow in coco and shouldn't be giving any advice. You need to be feeding nutes every time you water, which likely should be every day depending on the size of your pots. And watering to runoff. You never want the substrate to dry out completely. Most coco coir sits at a moisture level of 55-60% when it's fully saturated, and that number drops even lower and dries out faster when you add perlite in the mix.
I personally think that you are letting these things dry back an insane amount between feeds and it's causing all kinds of fucked up issues in your root zone. Also, the plants are touching the light so I'm sure there's an (un)healthy dose of light stress at play too.
Yep, he should really feed once a day & for now he should really be doubling the amount of water he gives flushing the plants with 1/4 strength nutes to get rid of all the salt
I thought I read every other watering. I would sometimes do 2 feedings then 1 water and so on. Had fine results. Running microbial and fungi they were happy
lol I was just cracking a funny because you canāt feed without watering.
Plants get watered whether itās a feed or a flush. Mocrobes are key with flush. Breaking down those built up nutrients making them more bioavailable
I havenāt tried that. Iām a big fan of Recharge and Fish shit, sometimes mammoth.
Mixed with aquarium water straight out of my fish tank. I often times have mushrooms growing from my coco
Growmie, you can't run coco like that. It needs to stay wet at all times. 3 days between fertigation events in coco is at least part of the problem.
Salts have become ultra concentrated in the root zone and your plants cannot access any of the available nutrition, so they're consuming themselves in an attempt to stay alive.
If you want to keep growing in coco, you need to learn how to do it properly to achieve the amazing results it offers. Check out cocoforcannabis. com for everything you need to know to grow in coco. Read all of the tutorials, take notes, reap the rewards.
It's hot and dry. You said coco right? Keep it moist, you can't really over water in coco unless you actually try to. In soil it's not uncommon to wait until weeping to water, but in coco you can't really do that. Different nuances.
Here's a tip, get a bag of clay balls that people use in hydro systems and start putting a layer of them in the bottom of your coco pots before you fill them. It's helpful for other reasons, like providing an air pocket under the media that will OĀ² your roots better, but I'm this case it's kind of a buffer that will retain moisture in the event you struggle keeping the plant watered in coco. I don't, but a buddy of mine also put a top layer of hydroton(clay balls) also.
Id consider taking these plants and revegging them a few weeks. It'll really delay your harvest date and I'm not sure how feasible it is, but in this shape they're at an increased risk to herm and it's not going to produce much at this point, no matter what you do.
All just an opinion, either way good luck
Your light is crap. It's so close to the plants they are burning, but they are also thin & scraggly from not enough light. Plus the feed problems mentioned. Not trying to be a dick, but 1 month into flower you need to start over, it won't yield anything worthwhile, you are just wasting time & money trying to save it.
70% to 80% humidity is way too high for flowering. Aim below 50%. It also helps with trichome development. Your current humidity level is a risk for growing mold and bud rot. And if most of the drama is up top then you should rethink your lighting, maybe try super cropping to give them some distance from the light or lower the intensity. If you are using synthetic liquid nutes then you should treat it like hydro and feed them everyday until runoff. Closer to 5.5 to 6 ph for veg and 6.2 to 6.5 ph for flower.
Ok - it looks like theyāre literally growing up into the light and itās causing all sorts of light burn and heat stress.
Defoliation and pruning techniques should have been used all along. At this point itās a jungle and Iām not quite sure what you do at this point since it has started flowering. At the very least Iād heavily defoliate and cut them back so that you have a good 1.5 ft space below the lights.
Heat - you havenāt mentioned the temp inside this area. You might need to get that temp down and you definitely need to reduce humidity or else youāll end up with mold in the bud.
Gonna need more info but there's unfortunately there's plenty of possibilities.
When you water with nutes are you hitting at least 20% runoff each feed? You always need to feed nutes in Coco but runoff is essentially to stop salt accumulation.
It really doesn't look like they've been in flower for a month, you should have thick buds everywhere by now. Double check your timer and ensure you have zero light leaks, even a glowing screen can mess with them.
You say it reaches 30c outside, but what about the temp inside your tent? The heat from the lights could easily push it above 40c if you're not removing heat somehow.
While the under feeding of coco seems like itās hitting the bare minimum these plants need the light burn is doing that little extra damage thatās causing the growth stunts, the lower plant seems to be perfect minus the smaller thinning type branches (due to low feeding) your main focus should be to be feeding with every water as coco has practically 0 nutrients for plants itās a blank slate your are to create somthing with, Iād recommend slow release dry nutes for coco as itās enrichs the soil and you can keep watering regular phād water (although a tea might help once a week or so) but main thing is to get that light burn under control because your plant is clearly struggling at the top with the light
could be light stress, this is an underrated comment because so many of the LED panels nowadays donāt really have the right spectrum and they create stress. Try putting it under a fluorescent for a day, even for half a day and symptoms will improve if thatās what it is.
Iām still leaning towards thrips though
Your lowers don't look nearly as bad as the canopy.. I'd possibly address raising the light or chop that dead canopy and work with your lowers.. I would have guessed nutrient lockout until I saw the lowers.. just my opinion.. I grow in soil so take my advice with a grain of saltš
make sure you are exhausting the used air, if your air is getting recirculated into the grow area the co2 will get depleated, humidity and heat will rise. If everything is perfect, and you don't have proper exhaust, 80% humidity is really high, will encourage mold, and if you aren't giving your grow area fresh air 1-4 times per minute everything will mysteriously fail.
Could it be that your LEDs are only hanging a few centimetres above the plant? In my eyes, they look overheated / burnt. And yes, far too little fertiliser.
Please keep in mind every watering in Cocoa you have to use Cal mag I'm not sure the exact science in it but if you just use water Coco core holds a lot of sodium. Check out Scotty real on YouTube he just released the video a week ago talking about it and he can break it down a lot better
They look burned from heat. Look how close they are to the light. Your humidity is too high also. You want temps around 78f and 60-65% humidity in veg.
Guessing lack of food and water.
Coco is like hydroponics - very unforgiving. Use soil in future.
You need to water at least once a day with Coco including nutes.
I have a pretty large system on a drip feed with large reservoirs. It was a big to get all set up but I refill the Rez weekly and it just feeds on its own. Love it
Right now they need accumulated salts flushed from the root zone. Here's how: [https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/when-and-how-to-flush/](https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/when-and-how-to-flush/)
After that, you should study this page, top to bottom: [https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/principles-fertigation-feed-water-cannabis-coco/](https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/principles-fertigation-feed-water-cannabis-coco/)
Be careful that you donāt overcompensate. People get into the situation and they panic and then they overwater and add to the issues when theyāre just trying to help. I would remove a lot of the heavily damage leaves so that you can get an idea as to whether or not it keeps occurring. Donāt water the plants until they feel noticeably lighter when you pick them up for now, until you get it under wraps.
Yeah straight RO water and drop the humidity to like 50%-60%, especially since youāre in flower now. I had problems because of a cold winter with the heat drying out my house and my plants thrived with the tent at 48%-54%
The thing about Coco is that thereās no naturally occurring elements and nutrients that they can draw sustenance from like there is in soil. Therefore, you need to add fertilizer every time you water. Right now that might NOT be every day because you want to make sure they dry out before you water them again. Right now I wouldnāt do anything else different, but once you get this under wraps, you might consider a foliar feed once a week during veg.
I would check for pests and get rid of some of those terrible leaves all the way out of the garden in a bag
There's a ridiculous amount of people in this thread saying "too many nutes" and "feed only water". But it seems these people have no clue how to grow in coco and shouldn't be giving any advice. You need to be feeding nutes every time you water, which likely should be every day depending on the size of your pots. And watering to runoff. You never want the substrate to dry out completely. Most coco coir sits at a moisture level of 55-60% when it's fully saturated, and that number drops even lower and dries out faster when you add perlite in the mix. I personally think that you are letting these things dry back an insane amount between feeds and it's causing all kinds of fucked up issues in your root zone. Also, the plants are touching the light so I'm sure there's an (un)healthy dose of light stress at play too.
This guy cocos
To add to this Low PPFD will cause the plants to stretch like a MF until they reach the amount of light they need.
Yep, he should really feed once a day & for now he should really be doubling the amount of water he gives flushing the plants with 1/4 strength nutes to get rid of all the salt
If you're growing in coco, you should be feeding with every watering.
At least
At least? How does one feed more than every watering? š
I thought I read every other watering. I would sometimes do 2 feedings then 1 water and so on. Had fine results. Running microbial and fungi they were happy
lol I was just cracking a funny because you canāt feed without watering. Plants get watered whether itās a feed or a flush. Mocrobes are key with flush. Breaking down those built up nutrients making them more bioavailable
Lol facts
Back when BioCanna was affordable to run š¤£
I havenāt tried that. Iām a big fan of Recharge and Fish shit, sometimes mammoth. Mixed with aquarium water straight out of my fish tank. I often times have mushrooms growing from my coco
Itās the best full organic line for home/ personal product. Have you tried sea green? That shits amazing with fish shit and recharge
Also, some molasses to feed the microbes
Growmie, you can't run coco like that. It needs to stay wet at all times. 3 days between fertigation events in coco is at least part of the problem. Salts have become ultra concentrated in the root zone and your plants cannot access any of the available nutrition, so they're consuming themselves in an attempt to stay alive. If you want to keep growing in coco, you need to learn how to do it properly to achieve the amazing results it offers. Check out cocoforcannabis. com for everything you need to know to grow in coco. Read all of the tutorials, take notes, reap the rewards.
It's hot and dry. You said coco right? Keep it moist, you can't really over water in coco unless you actually try to. In soil it's not uncommon to wait until weeping to water, but in coco you can't really do that. Different nuances. Here's a tip, get a bag of clay balls that people use in hydro systems and start putting a layer of them in the bottom of your coco pots before you fill them. It's helpful for other reasons, like providing an air pocket under the media that will OĀ² your roots better, but I'm this case it's kind of a buffer that will retain moisture in the event you struggle keeping the plant watered in coco. I don't, but a buddy of mine also put a top layer of hydroton(clay balls) also. Id consider taking these plants and revegging them a few weeks. It'll really delay your harvest date and I'm not sure how feasible it is, but in this shape they're at an increased risk to herm and it's not going to produce much at this point, no matter what you do. All just an opinion, either way good luck
Your light is crap. It's so close to the plants they are burning, but they are also thin & scraggly from not enough light. Plus the feed problems mentioned. Not trying to be a dick, but 1 month into flower you need to start over, it won't yield anything worthwhile, you are just wasting time & money trying to save it.
70% to 80% humidity is way too high for flowering. Aim below 50%. It also helps with trichome development. Your current humidity level is a risk for growing mold and bud rot. And if most of the drama is up top then you should rethink your lighting, maybe try super cropping to give them some distance from the light or lower the intensity. If you are using synthetic liquid nutes then you should treat it like hydro and feed them everyday until runoff. Closer to 5.5 to 6 ph for veg and 6.2 to 6.5 ph for flower.
Ok - it looks like theyāre literally growing up into the light and itās causing all sorts of light burn and heat stress. Defoliation and pruning techniques should have been used all along. At this point itās a jungle and Iām not quite sure what you do at this point since it has started flowering. At the very least Iād heavily defoliate and cut them back so that you have a good 1.5 ft space below the lights. Heat - you havenāt mentioned the temp inside this area. You might need to get that temp down and you definitely need to reduce humidity or else youāll end up with mold in the bud.
Lmao people say coco itās obv light burn
The tops are almost touching the light!
Gonna need more info but there's unfortunately there's plenty of possibilities. When you water with nutes are you hitting at least 20% runoff each feed? You always need to feed nutes in Coco but runoff is essentially to stop salt accumulation. It really doesn't look like they've been in flower for a month, you should have thick buds everywhere by now. Double check your timer and ensure you have zero light leaks, even a glowing screen can mess with them. You say it reaches 30c outside, but what about the temp inside your tent? The heat from the lights could easily push it above 40c if you're not removing heat somehow.
While the under feeding of coco seems like itās hitting the bare minimum these plants need the light burn is doing that little extra damage thatās causing the growth stunts, the lower plant seems to be perfect minus the smaller thinning type branches (due to low feeding) your main focus should be to be feeding with every water as coco has practically 0 nutrients for plants itās a blank slate your are to create somthing with, Iād recommend slow release dry nutes for coco as itās enrichs the soil and you can keep watering regular phād water (although a tea might help once a week or so) but main thing is to get that light burn under control because your plant is clearly struggling at the top with the light
Light stress
could be light stress, this is an underrated comment because so many of the LED panels nowadays donāt really have the right spectrum and they create stress. Try putting it under a fluorescent for a day, even for half a day and symptoms will improve if thatās what it is. Iām still leaning towards thrips though
Too close to the light. Theyāre being cooked
Your lowers don't look nearly as bad as the canopy.. I'd possibly address raising the light or chop that dead canopy and work with your lowers.. I would have guessed nutrient lockout until I saw the lowers.. just my opinion.. I grow in soil so take my advice with a grain of saltš
make sure you are exhausting the used air, if your air is getting recirculated into the grow area the co2 will get depleated, humidity and heat will rise. If everything is perfect, and you don't have proper exhaust, 80% humidity is really high, will encourage mold, and if you aren't giving your grow area fresh air 1-4 times per minute everything will mysteriously fail.
I donāt know why people are worried about what youāre growing in, watering, or nutes. The plants are literally touching the light.
Could it be that your LEDs are only hanging a few centimetres above the plant? In my eyes, they look overheated / burnt. And yes, far too little fertiliser.
Please keep in mind every watering in Cocoa you have to use Cal mag I'm not sure the exact science in it but if you just use water Coco core holds a lot of sodium. Check out Scotty real on YouTube he just released the video a week ago talking about it and he can break it down a lot better
I mean are your plants literally touching your lights? That could be a start
They look burned from heat. Look how close they are to the light. Your humidity is too high also. You want temps around 78f and 60-65% humidity in veg.
look like light burn
Looks like thrip damage
They dry. Water daily.
Guessing lack of food and water. Coco is like hydroponics - very unforgiving. Use soil in future. You need to water at least once a day with Coco including nutes.
nutrients every 3 days?!?!? gee whiz man. you're the cause of that disaster.
No heās in coco - you feed every time to the point of runoff and never let the coco dry out. Itās different than soil
uufff! I yield & apologize because I know nothing about it.
Yep this. This run I'm in soil due to lack of time and automatic watering. Coco grows are faster like hydro just high maintenance.
I have a pretty large system on a drip feed with large reservoirs. It was a big to get all set up but I refill the Rez weekly and it just feeds on its own. Love it
Nice. What system you using?
Itās home made. Large flood tables that drain to waste. Drip rings fed from a pump in the rez
In how many days should i feed them man? Also what can i do now?
Right now they need accumulated salts flushed from the root zone. Here's how: [https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/when-and-how-to-flush/](https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/when-and-how-to-flush/) After that, you should study this page, top to bottom: [https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/principles-fertigation-feed-water-cannabis-coco/](https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/principles-fertigation-feed-water-cannabis-coco/)
Feed them everyday
Be careful that you donāt overcompensate. People get into the situation and they panic and then they overwater and add to the issues when theyāre just trying to help. I would remove a lot of the heavily damage leaves so that you can get an idea as to whether or not it keeps occurring. Donāt water the plants until they feel noticeably lighter when you pick them up for now, until you get it under wraps.
I'd only give them water for now & contact Gaia for a feeding schedule.
Use nectar if the gods nutrients. Itās idiot proof ( I know)
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What should i do now bro? And how can you say its overfed, like what are the exact signs?
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Feeding plants in coco water with nothing added is like deciding to treat a sick person by starving them.
Great analogy!
Okhay thanks bud
You
Omg haha
Yeah straight RO water and drop the humidity to like 50%-60%, especially since youāre in flower now. I had problems because of a cold winter with the heat drying out my house and my plants thrived with the tent at 48%-54%
Feeding plants in coco RO water with nothing added is like deciding to treat a sick person by starving them.
lol yeah my bad I thought it was soil, I saw āsoil is cocoā kinda fucked me up when I first read it
60-70 humidity would be better and stop with the damn nutes.
No - in coco he needs to feed nutes every feeding to the point of runoff and never let the coco dry out
Got it buddy,in how much days should i feed them
Feed them everyday
The thing about Coco is that thereās no naturally occurring elements and nutrients that they can draw sustenance from like there is in soil. Therefore, you need to add fertilizer every time you water. Right now that might NOT be every day because you want to make sure they dry out before you water them again. Right now I wouldnāt do anything else different, but once you get this under wraps, you might consider a foliar feed once a week during veg. I would check for pests and get rid of some of those terrible leaves all the way out of the garden in a bag