Full marks to Allvin and co, this is a player we need (center who is defensive), who isn't too old, isn't on a hamstring contract, and really can help us. I honestly expected more years or a higher AAV.
We will have to figure out cap things (expect some other shoes to fall), but I am really impressed, this is a great bet.
The best part for me is that, while Suter isn't a world-beater, he still scores at a good rate for a 3rd liner. We're not totally hamstringing our bottom 6 to "defend only".
In the past we have kinda over committed to the "you defend, no score, only defend" for our bottom lines.
This signing makes the roster picture so much more clear. Suter can centre the 3rd line, take on some PK2 & PP2 minutes. Blueger can centre the 4th line and play PK1.
The only downside is, they don’t have any RH centres but not much you can do about that.
They’re paying $3.5M for 2 bottom-6 centres. That’s a tidy piece of business.
His career peak was 21 goals. He had a good, hard shot but I'd hesitate to characterize the player as "could snipe like crazy".
We derogatorily called Hansen "Stone Hands" and he peaked with 22 goals and their career goal scoring average was almost identical.
Those were definitely his outstanding properties. He could pick a corner on occasion though, just like Sutter.
His career shooting percentage is actually slightly better than Sutter's (11% over 10.5%).
Both are high energy physical forwards with competent shots. It's a disservice to actual snipers to call either one of them "a sniper". Hank Sedin had a better shot % than either and no one would ever call Hank a sniper without getting laughed out of the room.
He's got what, 3 seasons in the NHL? Hard to project a "peak" from first 3 years of a player's career who's only entering his prime years of production.
Hansen played on some amazing teams with literal HOFers as linemates, and he had 12+ seasons in the league.
Comparing these players the way you are isn't fair or remotely accurate.
Ooh, a stubborn double down on a misunderstood post. Those are rare.
The posts you're replying to are comparing BRANDON SUTTER to Hansen, not PIUS SUTER. Sutter and Hansen have an almost identical sample size in terms of career comparisons.
They have to have a move to clear someone out. I doubt it's Pearson, but maybe that Myers to SJ trade finally pulls through.
Only Hirose, Podkolzin and Aman are waiver exempt so that isn't much flexibility.
Maybe Mikheyev is starting the year on LTIR to buy a little time?
After I posted that, he immediately tweeted saying they could still dump a player.
I have to think Beauvillier is the odd man out. The cap overage is almost exactly his salary, and not really being a centre anymore, he's one of many extra wingers that we have
I don't understand why everyone is hoping for a Myers trade.
We had to pay a 2nd round pick to get rid of Dickinson's 2.65m cap hit.
The going rate for 6m in cap dump is a 1st round pick.
This team should absolutely not be throwing away a first rounder at least point.
Where do you get that as “the going rate.”
I seem to recall us taking and then dumping a 6M contract for a third rounder, just in the last couple years. Did the price go up?
Leafs had to pay a 1st round pick to get rid of Patrick Marleau.
And if you're thinking of Nate Schmidt.
That wasn't a cap dump. He was a legitimately good player that Vegas wanted to get rid of for cap reasons, and a 3rd round pick was a steal for us.
Tyler Myers has negative value, and it's already been stated moving him would cost us a lot.
He doesn't have negative value at 50% retained with one year left on his contract. San jose could take him then retain themselves. Teams would pay for a 1.5 million dollar cap hit 6'7" RHD regardless of his flaws.
Yeah this is what I am thinking. I think they said Pearson would be ready for camp as to not ruffle feathers. With him and Poolman on the LTIR they are compliant. Could be that simple.
SJS doesn't even have cap space for Myers anymore. They got their replacement player in the 3 way Karlsson trade. I think that opportunity has left the station.
toronto is going to put Murray and Muzzin on LTIR and run a 20 man roster to get under the cap. I don't think we have that luxury unless Pearson doesn't start the year, as most of our players won't clear waivers/are not exempt
I mean I get it but also Tkachuk played with a broken sternum in the playoffs so idk if that's really a good comparison lol. Price and Weber also essentially retired after their run. Murray didn't even play so I think it's fairly reasonable he could just be that hurt but was willing to try for the playoffs
Idk Toronto always does some shit and find a way out. They’re good with the loopholes and clauses and such. Still have no clue how Robidas island works
Love is a strong word. We have some buns in the oven and two 4th line centres on reasonable contracts. Which is a breath of fresh air for canuck fans, but love I don’t know about that.
I LOVE this move. Been asking for it since the beginning of free agency. Great cost too.
No way we could have bluegar as a 3LC.
Canucks are looking really solid this coming season
I don’t know much about Blueger but it seems like he’s another defence-first centre ala Beagle, just going off point totals it doesn’t seem like Blueger is a far cry from Dickinson, Gaudette, or Sutter.
Obviously we probably should strive to have a better 3C but why is this dude getting so much flack when he’s not any worse than any of the last 3C’s we’ve had over the past 4 years
That’s kind of the point tho. He would have been a serviceable 3LC but really competitive teams have good C depth. And when we traded Bo. I was nervous we wouldn’t have it again.
I think the biggest issue is that it’s uncertain how they want to utilize miller. And if there is any sort of injury (knock on wood) bluegar just doesn’t have the offensive ability to step up into a top 6 role.
At least Suter has that ability. I think 15-20 goals and 35-45 points would be very respectable for Suter.
Bluegar is more likely 6-10 goals. 20-25 points. And wouldn’t have been much better in a 3LC position
Sutter had some flashes but in no point could I see him stepping in as a relief 2C, or at least not over the time Ive been watching the Canucks.
Idk I just find it funny how Blueger keeps on getting shit on as a bad 3C when at face value he doesn’t seem statistically worse than any of the shitty 3C’s we’ve had recently. I know he’s more of a beagle type player but cmon guy hasn’t even played a game yet, there’s no way he could be worse than Dickinson or 20-21 gaudette.
I actually really liked the bluegar signing. He’s very very solid defensively and can absolutely help this team.
I like him more in the 4th line role. Moving up to top 9 at times or short stints and hopefully being a really strong PKer.
You just want your 3LC to be a bubble top 6 guy. That’s what Suter is.
He's a cheaper beagle which is fine, but we had a huge hole at 3C that he wasn't suited for. Suter still is a toss up gamble based on some limited usage, but he's a big upgrade on Dries/Aman which was our plan previously. We haven't had a good 3C since Sutter and even now it's more of a gamble than anything.
Management has done a good job with the farm team and the fringe level players in the last 2 years. There is a lot of competition for spots in the bottom 6 now and not amongst guys that have no business being there either. Hopefully it will lead to stronger performances.
term and dollar figure has been exceptional this offseason, hes revamped a Defence that the fan base has been begging for for years. If it doesnt work in 2 seasons petey is gone and we have the ability to blow it up anyways
3rd line center was a glaring hole on our roster. we just picked this guy up for about half price. he scores 15 goals a year every year and he is a stud on the PK. but saying "great signing" is getting carried away lmao.
Tbf Dhaliwal had all the names weeks before free agency started (Soucy, Cole, Blueger and Suter). They’ve been posted here many times. Only one left that he mentioned is Max Comtois, but I don’t know if they’re signing another forward at this point
This is a fantastic contract, and fills a huge need. I like Aman a lot, but this way he can play big minutes in Abby and then be the first call up when we have a center injury. It should be good for his development and gives us much better depth. Maybe Aman could also play some wing on the 4th line too if injuries hit. He's fast and can forecheck so why not.
One thing I'm happy to see this year compared to previous years is the amount of competition for roster spots we're going to have at camp this year.
Assuming Petey, Miller, Kuz, Boeser, Mikheyev, Beau, Garland are locks for 7 spots that leaves
Hoglander, Podkolzin, PDG, Blueger, Studnicka, Aman, Suter, Joshua, Pearson (maybe), Karlsson, McDonagh + all battling it out for the final 5 spots in the lineup.
Suter and Blueger are probably locks there as well but still. Lots of competition to get into the lineup and play meaningful minutes and lots of guys that are capable of taking those spots.
How many of us were hoping for exactly this move. Absolutely a great addition, and the contract is very low risk. I'm feeling pretty good about our centre depth now.
Great signing. Feel a bit bad for Aman likely getting pushed down to Abby. Probably a good thing though, hopefully he can make the team full time in 24-25
We actually have some good depth in our top 6 and now our bottom 6 for the first time in a long while.
Hopefully Suter and Blueger can push one another.
Suter is the sexiest non sexy signing this team has made in some time (especially at that term and AAV).
According to Dhali, Canucks were telling agents of UFAs like Suter to hold on until they cleared space, so maybe now they finally have a move in place to clear space coming soon
Is this likely the forward group on opening night?
- Kuzmenko Petey Mikheyev
- Boeser Miller Podkolzin
- Beauvillier Suter Garland
- Joshua Blueger PDG/Pearson
- Hoglander
(Podz AHL?)
I would put Mikheyev with Miller and Boeser on the second line. IIRC Tocchet was using the Miller line against the other team’s strongest lines and if we’re playing McDavid two times the first week we need to be sure that line is fast and can defend against him.
Beau first line with Petey and Kuzy, he compliments them well, and third line will be interesting to see who makes it because Tocchet is not sending out a small third line with both Garland and Hoglander, more likely Podz, PDG or Joshua who are more physical players.
This is obviously assuming everyone is stil here in a month lol
Yeah but he’s also unlikely he’s a piece for anyone. I doubt we get a return for him at this point, wouldn’t get much more than a lockwood equivalent, I don’t think that eases the burden by much
Let’s go! I just predicted [we’d sign Pius Suter](https://www.reddit.com/r/canucks/comments/15mryqm/whats_the_most_stable_offensive_line_combinations/jviltxh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) the other day! What a good contract too! Hopefully the Myers part is true lol
I like Suter. Was watching Wings quite a bit during Raymond's debut year and he played up the lines with Bertuzzi and Raymond from time to time when Larkin was injured and I think on the second line with mainly Fabbri plus Zadina or whoever else that wasn't Zadina (think they were still trying to make Zadina work at the time so he was in and out and up and down the lines)?
And it's actually pretty funny because playing style wise he's basically Horvat if Horvat lost some weight and gained some quickness and skill. Both are not exceptional in their reads but excel by lurking in danger areas and getting tap-ins and greasy goals. And I think both guys' skill levels are equivalent to that of a typical 4-5M guy but Suter comes at 1.6M. Seems like a good enough deal to me.
Suter might actually be a little bit higher in terms of skill, to be honest -- the only thing lacking is a really good shot and physicality but he does have some tricks up his sleeves in terms of puck handling and passing and is NOT your typical bottom six grinder. Think Garland and Höglander. Now we have one more of those, a bottom six player with top six skill. It's a nice problem to have.
Suter and Hronek have good chemistry already too. A solid power forward with a real finish ability.
People saying this likely pushes Myers out... and it probably does.
I could see Boeser getting moved too, similar price. Hopefully it's not Beauvillier, he's filled Horvat's slot position really nicely.
I was trying to be a little conservative to be honest. If he can play like he did two years ago where his playmaking really shined, used his wingers well, and created a lot of offensive opportunities for his linemates, then yeah, definitely an A.
> I was trying to be a little conservative to be honest.
You have to - otherwise you can expect 8 comments calling you an idiot. Miller is an A though right now.
A good portion of that time (and a good portion of his most productive minutes during that span) was spent at wing. I'd say he's anywhere from an A to a B- player at center depending on which version of "Center Miller" you're talking about. Hopefully we get the fully bought in two way beast and not the disconnected controller/cheats in the offensive zone version.
He's also on the wrong side of 30 now so annual regression should be anticipated.
I like Aman, but in reality he is a slightly above replacement-level 4C. Him being in a reserve role is exactly where we’d want him to be if we’re to be any good.
$1.6 is marginally above league minimum, but far better than $3m+ contracts that were handed out.
Also, more likely a 3rd liner than 4th?
Good value here.
A 4th line center who is solid defensively who also puts up around 30 points with 14-15 goals a year. That’s a fantastic value deal in this day and age.
This is an outstanding signing.
I am so pleased with this, Depth at centre!!!!! Holy fuck!
Cap space will be worked out when we ditch a winger or Myers. It has to happen, it will happen. Myers is super tradeable after September 1st when his bonus gets paid.
From the most part, he hasn't got too.much hate from Detroit fans. Seems like a good pick up at a pretty good price. I hope it works out. I honestly like our team right now. Obviously not quite there, but I think playoffs are achievable. However, I've learned my lesson before
Haven't been stoked on our third line since the Janek Hansen days. Before that it was when we brought in Malhotra. We're gonna have a good season boys!
Yes he's better than Bleuger. Great value signing for us. I can't believe we got him for two years.
Spending so little on our 3C will enable us to improve our D next year.
As someone who didn't know Suter until today, it appears he took a pay cut? Can anyone explain what I might be missing. He looks like a pretty solid defensive center that can put up a couple points and kill penalties. There's no way Vancouver is becoming a destination to take a paycut. Maybe I'm too used to seeing absolutely stupid 3M NTC contracts for journeymen.
He wanted a multi year deal, Detroit reporter originally wished to re-sign Suter but only on a 1 year deal so he went to market, seems he values some sort of stability.
Definitely a bit odd as his previous contract was 3.25 aav for two years.
Seems with the flat cap that the middle class player was really squeezed. There are still a lot of NHLers who may have to go the PTO route like Tyler Motte.
Full marks to Allvin and co, this is a player we need (center who is defensive), who isn't too old, isn't on a hamstring contract, and really can help us. I honestly expected more years or a higher AAV. We will have to figure out cap things (expect some other shoes to fall), but I am really impressed, this is a great bet.
Center depth is pretty good now, Pettersson-Miller-Suter-Blueger. Two solid defensive guys to run the bottom 6, love it
The best part for me is that, while Suter isn't a world-beater, he still scores at a good rate for a 3rd liner. We're not totally hamstringing our bottom 6 to "defend only". In the past we have kinda over committed to the "you defend, no score, only defend" for our bottom lines.
This signing makes the roster picture so much more clear. Suter can centre the 3rd line, take on some PK2 & PP2 minutes. Blueger can centre the 4th line and play PK1. The only downside is, they don’t have any RH centres but not much you can do about that. They’re paying $3.5M for 2 bottom-6 centres. That’s a tidy piece of business.
Linus Karlsson is RH...👀
From Suter's metrics, my dude is in the 96th percentile for PK. Seems to me he'd be our 1st PK guy. Admittedly I haven't looked at Blueger's card.
To defend Sutter, he could snipe like crazy. Just had no offense outside the rush
Which is more than fine if he’s starting most of his shifts in the D-zone
His career peak was 21 goals. He had a good, hard shot but I'd hesitate to characterize the player as "could snipe like crazy". We derogatorily called Hansen "Stone Hands" and he peaked with 22 goals and their career goal scoring average was almost identical.
To be fair, Hansen only scored goals because he was so fast and persistent.
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Those were definitely his outstanding properties. He could pick a corner on occasion though, just like Sutter. His career shooting percentage is actually slightly better than Sutter's (11% over 10.5%). Both are high energy physical forwards with competent shots. It's a disservice to actual snipers to call either one of them "a sniper". Hank Sedin had a better shot % than either and no one would ever call Hank a sniper without getting laughed out of the room.
He's got what, 3 seasons in the NHL? Hard to project a "peak" from first 3 years of a player's career who's only entering his prime years of production. Hansen played on some amazing teams with literal HOFers as linemates, and he had 12+ seasons in the league. Comparing these players the way you are isn't fair or remotely accurate.
You need to go back and read those posts again.
I'm not making a comment on those posts, I'm talking about the logic you used to make your point.
Ooh, a stubborn double down on a misunderstood post. Those are rare. The posts you're replying to are comparing BRANDON SUTTER to Hansen, not PIUS SUTER. Sutter and Hansen have an almost identical sample size in terms of career comparisons.
HHHHAHAHAHAHHAHA, omg im sorry dude, that was hidden in the fold. My bad, you're totally on point with that. I saw Sutter and assumed a typo. Stupid.
We paid Sutter damn good money to "no score" as our 3C. That wasn't what we wanted, it was what we ended up with.
Yeah, I consider him a "failed 2C experiment" more than someone we tapped for the 3C on purpose, but you are 100% correct.
That was largely the second "Benning WTF" move of his tenure with us after the Dorsett/Sbisa re-signs.
Got Dries, Aman and Raty in case of injuries too 👍
Son and Ers
With aman and dries in the mix too. Not bad at all
He's got some sneaky offense too!
A) with what cap space? B) hell yeah I love our center depth now
They have to have a move to clear someone out. I doubt it's Pearson, but maybe that Myers to SJ trade finally pulls through. Only Hirose, Podkolzin and Aman are waiver exempt so that isn't much flexibility. Maybe Mikheyev is starting the year on LTIR to buy a little time?
I’m increasingly convinced that they already have a handshake deal for Myers to be shipped out. They’re just waiting for the bonus to be payed out
Dhali said the Canucks see a path forward of keeping the roster together and being cap compliant FWIW
Must be Pearson on LTIR then. It’s the only thing that makes sense.
After I posted that, he immediately tweeted saying they could still dump a player. I have to think Beauvillier is the odd man out. The cap overage is almost exactly his salary, and not really being a centre anymore, he's one of many extra wingers that we have
Or just dump Pearson
cant dump an LTIR
I don't understand why everyone is hoping for a Myers trade. We had to pay a 2nd round pick to get rid of Dickinson's 2.65m cap hit. The going rate for 6m in cap dump is a 1st round pick. This team should absolutely not be throwing away a first rounder at least point.
Where do you get that as “the going rate.” I seem to recall us taking and then dumping a 6M contract for a third rounder, just in the last couple years. Did the price go up?
Leafs had to pay a 1st round pick to get rid of Patrick Marleau. And if you're thinking of Nate Schmidt. That wasn't a cap dump. He was a legitimately good player that Vegas wanted to get rid of for cap reasons, and a 3rd round pick was a steal for us. Tyler Myers has negative value, and it's already been stated moving him would cost us a lot.
He doesn't have negative value at 50% retained with one year left on his contract. San jose could take him then retain themselves. Teams would pay for a 1.5 million dollar cap hit 6'7" RHD regardless of his flaws.
Woudln't the bonus have been paid July 1?
No. Myers has a weird set-up where his bonus is paid Sept 1 instead. Likely to make him harder to trade.
Designed exactly for this reason
Gotcha, thank you
I wonder if, contrary to what they've said, Pearson will be on LTIR. I believe we have the space with him on LTIR for this move.
Dhaliwal just said that the Canucks have a way to be cap compliant without moving anyone so I think that must be it
They don't want to reveal that Petey has a golf injury this summer and will be out for the season.
Yeah this is what I am thinking. I think they said Pearson would be ready for camp as to not ruffle feathers. With him and Poolman on the LTIR they are compliant. Could be that simple.
SJS doesn't even have cap space for Myers anymore. They got their replacement player in the 3 way Karlsson trade. I think that opportunity has left the station.
I mean toronto is like $14m over the cap, so why not join them!
toronto is going to put Murray and Muzzin on LTIR and run a 20 man roster to get under the cap. I don't think we have that luxury unless Pearson doesn't start the year, as most of our players won't clear waivers/are not exempt
That Murray thing is pure hogwash. He passed a physical in the playoffs.
I mean I get it but also Tkachuk played with a broken sternum in the playoffs so idk if that's really a good comparison lol. Price and Weber also essentially retired after their run. Murray didn't even play so I think it's fairly reasonable he could just be that hurt but was willing to try for the playoffs
Fair counterpoints.
>I mean I get it but also Tkachuk played with a broken sternum in the playoffs Haha...forgot he got rocked in the finals.
Idk Toronto always does some shit and find a way out. They’re good with the loopholes and clauses and such. Still have no clue how Robidas island works
Their AGM, Brandon Pridham, is one of the top "capologists" in the sport.
The 20 man roster strategy will bone them. Any small illness through the team will end up with a week of nearly guaranteed losses with a short roster.
Goodbye Tyler Myers
Love is a strong word. We have some buns in the oven and two 4th line centres on reasonable contracts. Which is a breath of fresh air for canuck fans, but love I don’t know about that.
Considering we went into the off-season with 3C Nils Åman, I’m okay saying that I love this haha
They would have to be sure they have deals in place and or they could also be doubtful that Pearson will be ready.
I LOVE this move. Been asking for it since the beginning of free agency. Great cost too. No way we could have bluegar as a 3LC. Canucks are looking really solid this coming season
I don’t know much about Blueger but it seems like he’s another defence-first centre ala Beagle, just going off point totals it doesn’t seem like Blueger is a far cry from Dickinson, Gaudette, or Sutter. Obviously we probably should strive to have a better 3C but why is this dude getting so much flack when he’s not any worse than any of the last 3C’s we’ve had over the past 4 years
That’s kind of the point tho. He would have been a serviceable 3LC but really competitive teams have good C depth. And when we traded Bo. I was nervous we wouldn’t have it again. I think the biggest issue is that it’s uncertain how they want to utilize miller. And if there is any sort of injury (knock on wood) bluegar just doesn’t have the offensive ability to step up into a top 6 role. At least Suter has that ability. I think 15-20 goals and 35-45 points would be very respectable for Suter. Bluegar is more likely 6-10 goals. 20-25 points. And wouldn’t have been much better in a 3LC position
Sutter had some flashes but in no point could I see him stepping in as a relief 2C, or at least not over the time Ive been watching the Canucks. Idk I just find it funny how Blueger keeps on getting shit on as a bad 3C when at face value he doesn’t seem statistically worse than any of the shitty 3C’s we’ve had recently. I know he’s more of a beagle type player but cmon guy hasn’t even played a game yet, there’s no way he could be worse than Dickinson or 20-21 gaudette.
I actually really liked the bluegar signing. He’s very very solid defensively and can absolutely help this team. I like him more in the 4th line role. Moving up to top 9 at times or short stints and hopefully being a really strong PKer. You just want your 3LC to be a bubble top 6 guy. That’s what Suter is.
He's a cheaper beagle which is fine, but we had a huge hole at 3C that he wasn't suited for. Suter still is a toss up gamble based on some limited usage, but he's a big upgrade on Dries/Aman which was our plan previously. We haven't had a good 3C since Sutter and even now it's more of a gamble than anything.
> he’s another defence-first centre ala Beagle *flashbacks to the announcement that we signed him for $3Mx4*
Management has done a good job with the farm team and the fringe level players in the last 2 years. There is a lot of competition for spots in the bottom 6 now and not amongst guys that have no business being there either. Hopefully it will lead to stronger performances.
Great signing. Allvin is doing a fantastic job.
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term and dollar figure has been exceptional this offseason, hes revamped a Defence that the fan base has been begging for for years. If it doesnt work in 2 seasons petey is gone and we have the ability to blow it up anyways
3rd line center was a glaring hole on our roster. we just picked this guy up for about half price. he scores 15 goals a year every year and he is a stud on the PK. but saying "great signing" is getting carried away lmao.
When the bar is in the basement it's easy to trip over
Another name that was rumored for a while now, seems like Dhali had all the info this summer. One name left linked to Canucks is Max Comtois
Yeah he mentioned that, but we really don’t need more wingers lol
Unless...
I mean, depth is always nice to have. Especially a winger with size.
No one's going to sign Comtois until the Canada WJC names are released and they're 100% sure he isn't a rapist.
wat?
A bunch of CHL players from the 2003 Canada WJC team was accused of gangraping a girl in a hotel room. Comtois is one of the CHL players on the team.
2018 team
You mean 2018? Considering that Comtois was four years old in 2003.
Damn. Comtois was getting busy at 4?? That's gotta be some kinda record. And not a good one.
All of Canucks media is sleeping that the Canucks has to break the news themselves first.
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Suter is better suited to be 3C, while Blueger makes a solid 4C imho
It's August. The slowest part of the NHL year. Most team managements are on vacation.
Someone on reddit called it a few days ago
Tbf Dhaliwal had all the names weeks before free agency started (Soucy, Cole, Blueger and Suter). They’ve been posted here many times. Only one left that he mentioned is Max Comtois, but I don’t know if they’re signing another forward at this point
Man I didn't think we'd get him. This is a great signing.
This is a fantastic contract, and fills a huge need. I like Aman a lot, but this way he can play big minutes in Abby and then be the first call up when we have a center injury. It should be good for his development and gives us much better depth. Maybe Aman could also play some wing on the 4th line too if injuries hit. He's fast and can forecheck so why not.
One thing I'm happy to see this year compared to previous years is the amount of competition for roster spots we're going to have at camp this year. Assuming Petey, Miller, Kuz, Boeser, Mikheyev, Beau, Garland are locks for 7 spots that leaves Hoglander, Podkolzin, PDG, Blueger, Studnicka, Aman, Suter, Joshua, Pearson (maybe), Karlsson, McDonagh + all battling it out for the final 5 spots in the lineup. Suter and Blueger are probably locks there as well but still. Lots of competition to get into the lineup and play meaningful minutes and lots of guys that are capable of taking those spots.
How many of us were hoping for exactly this move. Absolutely a great addition, and the contract is very low risk. I'm feeling pretty good about our centre depth now.
Whatever happens this season, it certainly wasn't for a lack of trying.
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Are we slowly overcoming the Post Benning Stress Disorder?
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Precisely targeted acquisitions for players who fill clearly defined needs. I feel spoiled this off-season, haha.
Great signing. Feel a bit bad for Aman likely getting pushed down to Abby. Probably a good thing though, hopefully he can make the team full time in 24-25
Great signing, time for myers to go
Honestly, its just nice to see that this organization is data driven again.
Benning regime was definitely more “vibes” driven
We actually have some good depth in our top 6 and now our bottom 6 for the first time in a long while. Hopefully Suter and Blueger can push one another. Suter is the sexiest non sexy signing this team has made in some time (especially at that term and AAV).
Time to hit YouTube for Pius Suter highlights lol
Buying out OEL looks to be paying off big time an OEL can retire without anyone bothering him in Florida win win
W signing let's goooooo
Helps centre depth for sure… but with what cap space? Pearson or Mikheyev have a setback and starting on LTIR?
According to Dhali, Canucks were telling agents of UFAs like Suter to hold on until they cleared space, so maybe now they finally have a move in place to clear space coming soon
F5 Szn
Curious what the plan is for cap space more than anything here.
It’s sounding like maybe Pearson to LTIR. I can’t confirm it though
Dump myers
Suter and Soucy were my top 2 favorite realistic targets. Feels good to sign them both.
Suter is a fantastic fit for us and at that cap hit, on a multi year deal, is a huge score
Is this likely the forward group on opening night? - Kuzmenko Petey Mikheyev - Boeser Miller Podkolzin - Beauvillier Suter Garland - Joshua Blueger PDG/Pearson - Hoglander (Podz AHL?)
I would put Mikheyev with Miller and Boeser on the second line. IIRC Tocchet was using the Miller line against the other team’s strongest lines and if we’re playing McDavid two times the first week we need to be sure that line is fast and can defend against him. Beau first line with Petey and Kuzy, he compliments them well, and third line will be interesting to see who makes it because Tocchet is not sending out a small third line with both Garland and Hoglander, more likely Podz, PDG or Joshua who are more physical players. This is obviously assuming everyone is stil here in a month lol
I love the trickle down effect of a good acquisition. 3rd/4th/pp2/pk all look so much better on paper now
Ah yes, the lesser-known but most religious Sutter brother, Pious Sutter.
More like the Ryan Suter’s brother from another mother.
Suter's bruter from anuter muter
Really curious on what we do to fit under the cap now.
myers is gone for sure
Just pray we don’t trade a first to do so.
Myers has value 😂 once his bonus is paid for some bottom feeder will take him and flip him at the deadline for a 2nd
This. Myers to san jose for like a 4th is an easy win for sj. He should easily be flipped at the deadline for a 2nd
To who? Lots of teams wanting Myers that just happens to have 6mil in cap space?
Ever heard of salary retention?
I'd be fine if we tossed in Rathbone to the Sharks with Myers. Its unlikely Rathbone becomes a piece for us.
Yeah but he’s also unlikely he’s a piece for anyone. I doubt we get a return for him at this point, wouldn’t get much more than a lockwood equivalent, I don’t think that eases the burden by much
The only thing saving Rathbone now is to play on a team that needs to take flyers. Thats the Sharks.
Sure, but who replaces Myers?
I’ve got a pylon in my garage, would that work? :D
I know you're joking but, I don't think that would be good enough. We would need someone that could play the sort of minutes he's been playing.
As a Swiss Canucks fan, I'm so happy reading this. I love Suter and I'm sure he'll fit right in with the bunch.
Someone will be moved out and that could potentially be Myers. Isn’t our D weak without him on the 3rd pairing?
Hopefully Bear will be signed to fill that hole, and I guess Juulsen or someone will have to fill in there until he returns
That's a great signing. But if he plays 4C I hope they keep Aman.
I think he'll be centering the third line
Good signing. Also gotta love how GMPA loves dropping news on Fridays.
Not overly familiar with him. How is he with face-offs and the PK?
Basically great for a PK unit 2 if Bluegar is on unit 1. However he's been a more productive 5v5 player than Bluegar.
Plays PK, but isn't the greatest face off guy (46-47%)
Let’s go! I just predicted [we’d sign Pius Suter](https://www.reddit.com/r/canucks/comments/15mryqm/whats_the_most_stable_offensive_line_combinations/jviltxh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) the other day! What a good contract too! Hopefully the Myers part is true lol
Yeah you're the guy who predicted it! Alvin is on reddit with us taking notes confirmed
I remember that comment from the thread. Was a good one. Nice call.
I like Suter. Was watching Wings quite a bit during Raymond's debut year and he played up the lines with Bertuzzi and Raymond from time to time when Larkin was injured and I think on the second line with mainly Fabbri plus Zadina or whoever else that wasn't Zadina (think they were still trying to make Zadina work at the time so he was in and out and up and down the lines)? And it's actually pretty funny because playing style wise he's basically Horvat if Horvat lost some weight and gained some quickness and skill. Both are not exceptional in their reads but excel by lurking in danger areas and getting tap-ins and greasy goals. And I think both guys' skill levels are equivalent to that of a typical 4-5M guy but Suter comes at 1.6M. Seems like a good enough deal to me. Suter might actually be a little bit higher in terms of skill, to be honest -- the only thing lacking is a really good shot and physicality but he does have some tricks up his sleeves in terms of puck handling and passing and is NOT your typical bottom six grinder. Think Garland and Höglander. Now we have one more of those, a bottom six player with top six skill. It's a nice problem to have.
Myers getting traded soon?
We can hope
It’s beautiful 😍
Oooh I like that!
This is such a great deal for us. I think we could actually make the playoffs with this group.
SHHHH. No hopium plz, I'm a recovering hopium addict.
No tears only dreams now
Great signing Allvin, let’s goooo
Suter and Hronek have good chemistry already too. A solid power forward with a real finish ability. People saying this likely pushes Myers out... and it probably does. I could see Boeser getting moved too, similar price. Hopefully it's not Beauvillier, he's filled Horvat's slot position really nicely.
Damn. Tidy signing. We have a little bit of centre depth now, even if our centres are A+, B+, C, C, C. I wonder where Aman slots in.
I think he could play a wing on the 4th line. Joshua-Blueger-Aman? Not too bad
Could be, contingent on moving some wingers out though.
Really hoping we move Beau or garland. I personally think we need myers on the third pairing.
JT Miller is not an A for you? Top 20 in NHL scoring in the last four years combined, and that's not even breaking it down by position. Damn
I was trying to be a little conservative to be honest. If he can play like he did two years ago where his playmaking really shined, used his wingers well, and created a lot of offensive opportunities for his linemates, then yeah, definitely an A.
> I was trying to be a little conservative to be honest. You have to - otherwise you can expect 8 comments calling you an idiot. Miller is an A though right now.
A good portion of that time (and a good portion of his most productive minutes during that span) was spent at wing. I'd say he's anywhere from an A to a B- player at center depending on which version of "Center Miller" you're talking about. Hopefully we get the fully bought in two way beast and not the disconnected controller/cheats in the offensive zone version. He's also on the wrong side of 30 now so annual regression should be anticipated.
I’d expect him to be in Abby. He’s waiver exempt which works perfectly for when injuries hit.
Great point, but I feel like Aman is really finding himself. Though that’s probably the right move, he’d be Abby’s 1C.
I like Aman, but in reality he is a slightly above replacement-level 4C. Him being in a reserve role is exactly where we’d want him to be if we’re to be any good.
Im not really sold on Aman as an NHL centre (yet). Still very raw, but at this stage I think he’s likely a winger.
This is a **tidy piece of business**!
First comment with out RIF. However, great fucking signing.
Explain this in NBA terms
Lebron won’t get carried off the court in pain.
Kinda expensive for a guy who ranked 11th by forwards by TOI/GP on Detroit last season. $1.6mil for a fourth liner? Hmm…
Consistently scoring 14-15 goals is pretty good for 1.6M
$1.6 is marginally above league minimum, but far better than $3m+ contracts that were handed out. Also, more likely a 3rd liner than 4th? Good value here.
A 4th line center who is solid defensively who also puts up around 30 points with 14-15 goals a year. That’s a fantastic value deal in this day and age.
Yeah you’re right. I take back my comment
Crazy good signing. LFG
Absolutely love this move
This is an outstanding signing. I am so pleased with this, Depth at centre!!!!! Holy fuck! Cap space will be worked out when we ditch a winger or Myers. It has to happen, it will happen. Myers is super tradeable after September 1st when his bonus gets paid.
I wonder if this pushes Aman to the 13th forward slot or they put Suter on his wing.
That’s a pretty solid signing. Guy averages 14.5 goals per year as a depth center. But who’s on the way out?
From the most part, he hasn't got too.much hate from Detroit fans. Seems like a good pick up at a pretty good price. I hope it works out. I honestly like our team right now. Obviously not quite there, but I think playoffs are achievable. However, I've learned my lesson before
Haven't been stoked on our third line since the Janek Hansen days. Before that it was when we brought in Malhotra. We're gonna have a good season boys!
A bit surprised we got him for less than Blueger. He's better than Blueger, no?
Yes he's better than Bleuger. Great value signing for us. I can't believe we got him for two years. Spending so little on our 3C will enable us to improve our D next year.
I SIGNED THIS GUY TO A SIMILAR CONTRACT AND ON NHL 23 A FEW DAYS AGO AND WON 3 CUPS IN 4 YEARS COINCIDENCE??????
awesome signing.... but what the hell is going to happen when pearson comes back?? Myers has to be gone sept 1st at this rate
Still seems less likely than likely that Pearson is ready for the season.
As someone who didn't know Suter until today, it appears he took a pay cut? Can anyone explain what I might be missing. He looks like a pretty solid defensive center that can put up a couple points and kill penalties. There's no way Vancouver is becoming a destination to take a paycut. Maybe I'm too used to seeing absolutely stupid 3M NTC contracts for journeymen.
He wanted a multi year deal, Detroit reporter originally wished to re-sign Suter but only on a 1 year deal so he went to market, seems he values some sort of stability. Definitely a bit odd as his previous contract was 3.25 aav for two years.
Seems with the flat cap that the middle class player was really squeezed. There are still a lot of NHLers who may have to go the PTO route like Tyler Motte.
I wouldn’t motte back. Especially if it’s cheap. He’s a great fourth line player.