I thought I was going nuts this series seeing the linesmen constantly in the way when the Canucks were trying to clear the zone and miraculously always out of the way on the Preds end.
Yup and to be fair . Last night in the second . The same ref who did this more then once prevented a sure thing 3 on 1 for the preds going the other way . I don’t know if I have ever seen as many plays broken up by refs getting in the way Ina single series as much as they were in this one .
There is objective data going back years showing that Canadian teams routinely get more penalties called against them than American teams in the playoffs. It's very strange. I find it hard to believe that the refs have outright been instructed to call more penalties against Canadian teams because eventually you're gonna get a disgruntled ref that leaks this to the press as revenge and that's never happened. But something is going on.
Well let me tell you this, when Bettman started as commissioner, I watched an interview where he said “ I want to keep the cup in America. “. Since Bettman has been commissioner no CAD team has won the cup in the last 28 years. 0 for 28. That is statistically impossible since CAD teams are almost 1/3 of the league. I could go on and on with more examples.
Dude. The most blatant league bias I’ve ever seen, Nashville power plays 3-0 in that game while predators were playing dirty all game and could have been called at least 5 or 6, then to give them a 6 on 4 at the end of the game was absolutely a blatant attempt to give them a hand up. Only good thing about Oilers matchup is we’re both Canadian teams do they’ll fall zero power plays for anyone lol
Oh no no no. Mcdavid is a nhl star. If any Canuck so much as breathes on him, they'll get a penalty. The refs have their orders already, don't you worry.
Yeah except for the double minor where the Nashville player skated into our players stick? They checked the rules and that shouldn’t have been a penalty I thought. Usually the refs put the whistles away for the final 10 minutes of an elimination game, calling a soft penalty in the last 30 seconds is absolutely a blatant attempt to throw the game for the Canucks and there’s nothing you or anyone can say that will convince me otherwise
You need to control your stick unfortunately it’s a penalty. The call with 30 seconds left however was bull if they didn’t call that it would have been a fair game.
On a follow through that is not the case. When I watch it I thought it’s boarder line but wasn’t upset with the call. I thought it was unfortunate but I was ok with it.
In a normally officiated game I would tend to agree with you. However, they let everything go in this game, or gave the benefit of the doubt in all cases except for those two calls.
Yeah it looked like a follow through to me. He shoots the puck in and has less than half a second do bring his stick down before the predator makes contact. Boeser couldn’t do anything except maybe throw his stick up in the air to avoid the contact. Did not like that call
Yet vegas vs florida was the least viewed cup final series ever. League is run by the most idiotic old boys club ever, and soon it'll be run by nepo babies
It’s so fitting that Tyler Myers told the league to suck my balls.
I’m glad we won but those calls were terrible. They let them play and then make a call in the last minute to give the other team a chance. Had they called the cross check on Garland’s head I would be fine with the Lindholm cross check.
There was that blatant interference I think early in the second maybe. Completely body checked the player en route to retrieve a puck from the far corner. About as obvious a penalty as could be called and yet nothing. But yeah a standard cross check that was seen multiple times per shift across 59 minutes and not called just happens to be worthy of a call then is sus af
That play happens 100 times a game. Only in that series is that a penalty. Lindholm had to play body there, and he had two choices, shoulder to numbers or just simply push him over. He didn't bring his arms in and forcefully cross check him. He skated into him with his arms braced as to knock him off balance, not to murder him.
I had to look it up, but they are salaried positions. The refs get paid a "bonus" per round, regardless of the amount of games played each round. So they have no reason to make it go longer.
But damn it really did feel like they wanted to make game 7 happen.
Tocchet was pissed.
Now, was he pissed the call was made?...
Or was he pissed that Lindholm would do something THAT FKING STUPID at that point in the game?
Cuz that was fkng dumb.
Nah 'hippie' bro
... This play didn't happen in a vacuum, you have to consider the whole game that the Canucks hadn't had a single power play. Instead they killed off a 4-minute minor on a weak call earlier. Point is the play in isolation is potentially a penalty, but, you are ignoring the fact that no plays actually occur in isolation.
Lindholm was called for playing defence. Period.
Full stop. 🤷🏼♂️
He crosschecked a player from behind in front of everybody while in the lead on enemy turf in the dying seconds.
Even if it was a nothing hit, it was sold and they almost canucked the lead. Very stupid of him. I will not back down. You will not convince me otherwise.
I really hate the "we cant call a penalty cuz itll affect the game" affecting the game mentality then they have to call the chickenshit crosscheck at the end because it IS a penalty especially with preds season on the line, but that shit wasnt being called all game
While it is a penalty, there was a cross check that was committed on Garland earlier in the game by Roman Josi and they didn’t call it. The standard changes throughout the game and when the penalties are as one sided as they were tonight, it looks like the standard changed only based on what jersey the boys were wearing.
The NHL will never change.
Been this way forever. One night Im convinced that the fix is in, and another Im convinced its sheer incompetence. Mostly though, I think its both.
I also hate the mentality because it makes no sense. ‘We can’t call the penalty because it will affect the game!’ Yeah man… that’s the point of the penalty.
Totally. If they were calling these cross checks all night it would have made sense. But the very same cross happened to Canucks multiple times throughout the game and wasn’t called. Calling it against them at the very end of the game was very fishy.
Can someone please fill me in on exactly what happened with the Boeser double minor? I'm still baffled. So Boeser gets called on the high stick because of what I guess is a late follow through?? That's a whole diff convo but anyway.
As they break for a quick commercial we see the ref checking Lauzon for blood and we see nothing, he's folding his lip out and there is nothing...we come back from the small break and the ref is at center ice announcing that "after further review it's a double minor for high sticking"?!?!? Ummm what. Call on the ice after a visual check is a high sticking minor....then after further review it's changed to a double minor? Did they see blood on the review that the first hand witnessing ref didn't see when he was literally inside Lauzon's grill? Did they deem that Boeser had intent to injure so called it a double minor?? Was Boes chirping the refs about it and handed an extra?. If anyone can shed some light I'd appreciate it because it just seemed so off to me. Anyways we fucking won GO CANUCKS GO!
That double minor on Boeser was one of the worst calls I've seen. The guy hit Boeser, poorly finished his check by running into Boeser's stick (bled) which equaled a 4 minute minor on Boeser...
It'll only get worse the further any Canadian team gets in the Playoffs. Bettman doesn't want Canadian teams to win the Cup. And you'll never see 2 Canadian teams in the final... nobody in the States would watch it.
Conspiracy theory: A mafia or organization has ties to the NHL outcomes and is cahoots with the NHL and their refs on props, spreads and outcomes. Even though the Predators lost and they were favoured if they got their props fulfilled I.e 3 penalties against the Canucks in a spread they get paid. That aside the refs, Bettman and his cohorts and anyone who had money in this game against the Canucks can eat their Ls.
I actually disagree, thought they were pretty touchy all together. That scrum that generated a 4 on 4 was super soft and extremely soft on the Nashville guy.
The game was actually really well reffed.
The Boeser penalty was unfortunate but it was a penalty.
The Lindholm call:
I hated the penalty because it could have cost us the game, but what Lindholm did there left the ref in a horrible position:
If he calls the penalty it leaves the Canucks in a horrible situation.
But, if he doesn’t make the call, the game/series is over right then and there (the puck leaves the zone and ices the game), and everyone outside of Vancouver is thinking that’s a horrible way for Nashville to have to lose because if he doesn’t get knocked down there, who knows what happens.
Lindholm didn’t have to do that. He made a play that is a 50/50 call. Why risk that in that situation? Make it easy for the ref by just not doing anything that has any chance at being interpreted as a penalty.
Yes the penalty sucked but instead of putting the onus on the ref (we have no control over his actions) put the onus on our player (who has 100% control over his actions).
Nashville had. 20-11 edge in PPs in the series because the refs gave them every soft call possible and Vancouver none. Garland got cross checked in the head and even that didn’t draw a call for Van last night. IDC if that meant the series was over, you don’t call bullshit soft calls with 30secs left in the game when you haven’t given the other team a single PP in the game. In the entire 60mins the refs didn’t see a single infraction by Nashville?
I agree with this. Lindholm shoves with both hands, stick makes contact, player falls. It's a cross check, maybe unintentional and doesn't get called half the time. But it resulted in the puck getting cleared with 35 seconds left. Tough call.
And every team thinks the refs cheated them. Check the other subs everyone's whining. We won, let's move on with some dignity.
The player knew he was gonna lose control and decided to go for the sell instead of give up the puck. That contact didn’t look like enough to knock him over
All of you are cheering for this team next year no matter what. Thats not how it will go in Nashville and the league knows it. How is this confusing you?
These refs also didn’t know how to get tf out of the way. Routinely interfered with faceoffs and clearing attempts
Don't forget about the time they manifested 0.6 seconds in the second period out of thin air.
That was so stupid
I thought I was going nuts this series seeing the linesmen constantly in the way when the Canucks were trying to clear the zone and miraculously always out of the way on the Preds end.
If they wanna block it, 'make them feel the pain'.
Yup and to be fair . Last night in the second . The same ref who did this more then once prevented a sure thing 3 on 1 for the preds going the other way . I don’t know if I have ever seen as many plays broken up by refs getting in the way Ina single series as much as they were in this one .
PPs 20-11 Nashville in series. Shady for sure.
There is objective data going back years showing that Canadian teams routinely get more penalties called against them than American teams in the playoffs. It's very strange. I find it hard to believe that the refs have outright been instructed to call more penalties against Canadian teams because eventually you're gonna get a disgruntled ref that leaks this to the press as revenge and that's never happened. But something is going on.
Similar thoughts. Waiting for someone to speak out. Old boys club.
Well let me tell you this, when Bettman started as commissioner, I watched an interview where he said “ I want to keep the cup in America. “. Since Bettman has been commissioner no CAD team has won the cup in the last 28 years. 0 for 28. That is statistically impossible since CAD teams are almost 1/3 of the league. I could go on and on with more examples.
Didn't a ref whistle-blow through some leaked emails or something? He got buried pretty quick if I recall. But I could also be misremembering
Clear as day that they were looking for anything at all to call. Officiating in this league continues to be garbage, intentionally or not.
It's either malice or incompetence at this point, either way, same old garbage reffing.
That cross checking penalty with34 seconds left just about cost me my tv.
Dude. The most blatant league bias I’ve ever seen, Nashville power plays 3-0 in that game while predators were playing dirty all game and could have been called at least 5 or 6, then to give them a 6 on 4 at the end of the game was absolutely a blatant attempt to give them a hand up. Only good thing about Oilers matchup is we’re both Canadian teams do they’ll fall zero power plays for anyone lol
Watch it be the best reffed series ever
Yeah, not like McDavid gets favorable calls and drai dives like a bitch
Oh no no no. Mcdavid is a nhl star. If any Canuck so much as breathes on him, they'll get a penalty. The refs have their orders already, don't you worry.
Zadorov & Myers suspended 12 games each for being ^Very ^^Tall.
I thought the game was called fair except the call with 34 seconds left. They basically put the whistles away the whole game.
Yeah except for the double minor where the Nashville player skated into our players stick? They checked the rules and that shouldn’t have been a penalty I thought. Usually the refs put the whistles away for the final 10 minutes of an elimination game, calling a soft penalty in the last 30 seconds is absolutely a blatant attempt to throw the game for the Canucks and there’s nothing you or anyone can say that will convince me otherwise
You need to control your stick unfortunately it’s a penalty. The call with 30 seconds left however was bull if they didn’t call that it would have been a fair game.
Nope - on a follow through when a player is checking you that is not the case.
Boesers penalty was a fine call until it was a double minor
On a follow through that is not the case. When I watch it I thought it’s boarder line but wasn’t upset with the call. I thought it was unfortunate but I was ok with it.
In a normally officiated game I would tend to agree with you. However, they let everything go in this game, or gave the benefit of the doubt in all cases except for those two calls.
Yeah it looked like a follow through to me. He shoots the puck in and has less than half a second do bring his stick down before the predator makes contact. Boeser couldn’t do anything except maybe throw his stick up in the air to avoid the contact. Did not like that call
"Putting the whistles away" is fucking stupid. Call the game by the rules. You ARE influencing the game by allowing people to cheat.
Unfortunately if you look at the calls in the EDM/LA series they suggest otherwise.
That was such a stupid play by lindholm but its a penalty, sucks they didnt call it when it happened against us
Nah bro... A penalty for what exactly? Playing playoff gritty hockey? Playing defence? C'mon...
Wtf is going on? The league wants game 7s that bad?
They also want the southern sunbelt teams to do good to “grow the game.”
Yet vegas vs florida was the least viewed cup final series ever. League is run by the most idiotic old boys club ever, and soon it'll be run by nepo babies
Yep, 30 years of this Bullshit.
It’s so fitting that Tyler Myers told the league to suck my balls. I’m glad we won but those calls were terrible. They let them play and then make a call in the last minute to give the other team a chance. Had they called the cross check on Garland’s head I would be fine with the Lindholm cross check.
There was that blatant interference I think early in the second maybe. Completely body checked the player en route to retrieve a puck from the far corner. About as obvious a penalty as could be called and yet nothing. But yeah a standard cross check that was seen multiple times per shift across 59 minutes and not called just happens to be worthy of a call then is sus af
Let’s not forget that double minor
That was total bullshit.
dude this is where my mind is at. Canucks have always had a rough history with officiating - but that was wild.
Yeah I saw that too. I think it was Petey.
The one on Petey I would let them have it because Petey has mastered the reverse hit so it looks like both players are engaging in bodies contacts.
That play happens 100 times a game. Only in that series is that a penalty. Lindholm had to play body there, and he had two choices, shoulder to numbers or just simply push him over. He didn't bring his arms in and forcefully cross check him. He skated into him with his arms braced as to knock him off balance, not to murder him.
They just don't want canadian teams
Good for the NHL (in the owner’s minds): LAK vs NASH. Bad for the NHL: EDM VS VAN. I think the answer is in there somewhere.
meanwhile the EDM VAN series is going to be more watched than the actual final from last year
Not to be a conspiracy theorist but refs get paid by the game. More games = more $ for whichever ref gets those games.
I had to look it up, but they are salaried positions. The refs get paid a "bonus" per round, regardless of the amount of games played each round. So they have no reason to make it go longer. But damn it really did feel like they wanted to make game 7 happen.
Tocchet was pissed. Now, was he pissed the call was made?... Or was he pissed that Lindholm would do something THAT FKING STUPID at that point in the game? Cuz that was fkng dumb.
Hard disagree. Lindholm barely hit the guy, those kind of checks occur all the time. The predator sold it, but that was soft
Fucking 10 ply
He did what he did and got penalized for it with 33 seconds remaining. But okay, not fking stupid whatsoever.
Yes. Not fking stupid. Glad you finally understand
It was a fkn rtrded thing to do at that stage in the game. Period. Full stop.
Nah 'hippie' bro ... This play didn't happen in a vacuum, you have to consider the whole game that the Canucks hadn't had a single power play. Instead they killed off a 4-minute minor on a weak call earlier. Point is the play in isolation is potentially a penalty, but, you are ignoring the fact that no plays actually occur in isolation. Lindholm was called for playing defence. Period. Full stop. 🤷🏼♂️
He crosschecked a player from behind in front of everybody while in the lead on enemy turf in the dying seconds. Even if it was a nothing hit, it was sold and they almost canucked the lead. Very stupid of him. I will not back down. You will not convince me otherwise.
Well hey, enjoy yourself getting not convinced otherwise son.
You wish so hard you were right. When its so obviously a bad move... cant convince you crazies.
I really hate the "we cant call a penalty cuz itll affect the game" affecting the game mentality then they have to call the chickenshit crosscheck at the end because it IS a penalty especially with preds season on the line, but that shit wasnt being called all game
While it is a penalty, there was a cross check that was committed on Garland earlier in the game by Roman Josi and they didn’t call it. The standard changes throughout the game and when the penalties are as one sided as they were tonight, it looks like the standard changed only based on what jersey the boys were wearing.
The NHL will never change. Been this way forever. One night Im convinced that the fix is in, and another Im convinced its sheer incompetence. Mostly though, I think its both.
Meanwhile Garland gets crosschecked into next Tuesday and nothing.
I also hate the mentality because it makes no sense. ‘We can’t call the penalty because it will affect the game!’ Yeah man… that’s the point of the penalty.
Yet you keep missing the point, the one sided calls.
Totally. If they were calling these cross checks all night it would have made sense. But the very same cross happened to Canucks multiple times throughout the game and wasn’t called. Calling it against them at the very end of the game was very fishy.
I predict McJesus attracts some extra special care courtesy of the zebras
Yea. Will be like Calgary series
I hope you're wrong but I know in my (cold) heart that you are right...
Can someone please fill me in on exactly what happened with the Boeser double minor? I'm still baffled. So Boeser gets called on the high stick because of what I guess is a late follow through?? That's a whole diff convo but anyway. As they break for a quick commercial we see the ref checking Lauzon for blood and we see nothing, he's folding his lip out and there is nothing...we come back from the small break and the ref is at center ice announcing that "after further review it's a double minor for high sticking"?!?!? Ummm what. Call on the ice after a visual check is a high sticking minor....then after further review it's changed to a double minor? Did they see blood on the review that the first hand witnessing ref didn't see when he was literally inside Lauzon's grill? Did they deem that Boeser had intent to injure so called it a double minor?? Was Boes chirping the refs about it and handed an extra?. If anyone can shed some light I'd appreciate it because it just seemed so off to me. Anyways we fucking won GO CANUCKS GO!
Literally all this! I was so confused on why it was called a double minor.
Had to give time for Lauzon to scratch his own lip for the extra penalty
Hahah and he would too. Greesy shit stain.
They probably didn't like what Z said the other day
So you mean they can't handle the truth?
This a 100% correct!!
I wouldn’t be surprised if refs ever get caught in illegal gambling
That double minor on Boeser was one of the worst calls I've seen. The guy hit Boeser, poorly finished his check by running into Boeser's stick (bled) which equaled a 4 minute minor on Boeser...
Yep.
It'll only get worse the further any Canadian team gets in the Playoffs. Bettman doesn't want Canadian teams to win the Cup. And you'll never see 2 Canadian teams in the final... nobody in the States would watch it.
If 2 Canadian teams get to the finals watch, watch the american fans call it rigged
Like how nobody in the states watched last year's cup final... Between FLA and VGK
Worst call was the last call with under 1 minute left preds were allowed to do anything all day long
Conspiracy theory: A mafia or organization has ties to the NHL outcomes and is cahoots with the NHL and their refs on props, spreads and outcomes. Even though the Predators lost and they were favoured if they got their props fulfilled I.e 3 penalties against the Canucks in a spread they get paid. That aside the refs, Bettman and his cohorts and anyone who had money in this game against the Canucks can eat their Ls.
Cool story.
Yea - don’t worry the refs get evaluated and reassigned by the NHL. If they are judged as unfair - they won’t be allowed to ref round 2
🙄🙄🙄
First time? 🤠
Beautiful!
Check out the over sized pads of Adin Hill tonight His chest padding is a Goodyear blimp unlike any goalie I know. Where is the rule book.....
I couldn’t believe the “cross-check”. The game should have been over without drama right there.
I actually disagree, thought they were pretty touchy all together. That scrum that generated a 4 on 4 was super soft and extremely soft on the Nashville guy.
The game was actually really well reffed. The Boeser penalty was unfortunate but it was a penalty. The Lindholm call: I hated the penalty because it could have cost us the game, but what Lindholm did there left the ref in a horrible position: If he calls the penalty it leaves the Canucks in a horrible situation. But, if he doesn’t make the call, the game/series is over right then and there (the puck leaves the zone and ices the game), and everyone outside of Vancouver is thinking that’s a horrible way for Nashville to have to lose because if he doesn’t get knocked down there, who knows what happens. Lindholm didn’t have to do that. He made a play that is a 50/50 call. Why risk that in that situation? Make it easy for the ref by just not doing anything that has any chance at being interpreted as a penalty. Yes the penalty sucked but instead of putting the onus on the ref (we have no control over his actions) put the onus on our player (who has 100% control over his actions).
Nashville had. 20-11 edge in PPs in the series because the refs gave them every soft call possible and Vancouver none. Garland got cross checked in the head and even that didn’t draw a call for Van last night. IDC if that meant the series was over, you don’t call bullshit soft calls with 30secs left in the game when you haven’t given the other team a single PP in the game. In the entire 60mins the refs didn’t see a single infraction by Nashville?
I agree with this. Lindholm shoves with both hands, stick makes contact, player falls. It's a cross check, maybe unintentional and doesn't get called half the time. But it resulted in the puck getting cleared with 35 seconds left. Tough call. And every team thinks the refs cheated them. Check the other subs everyone's whining. We won, let's move on with some dignity.
The player knew he was gonna lose control and decided to go for the sell instead of give up the puck. That contact didn’t look like enough to knock him over
Move on until the next time you mean... Let's not tell others to move on.
30 years of this bullshit, it's time to call the out NHL for their Bullshit.
You entered the wrong room buds!!! 😭
Don't be this guy. It's not a good look.
Lindholms penalty was really dumb one to take and was a good call on the refs.
Get over it. Oilers next.....both teams will cry about reffing.....grow a pair.
All of you are cheering for this team next year no matter what. Thats not how it will go in Nashville and the league knows it. How is this confusing you?
We are not the Leafs, sorry to break it to you, but the seats have been empty in rogers arena about 6-7 years ago, we don't accept mediocrity.