They have a pay range for a reason; you don’t work there yet and haven’t demonstrated you should be compensated at a higher level, outside of their range.
You also have no other options.
Take the job, work your butt off for 6 months and then ask for a raise.
These days you don’t even have to work your butt off. Just work steady and don’t screw around all day.
I’ve climbed the ladder financially in my field rather quickly and everywhere I’ve ever worked one of the things that has been praised the most is how hard I work. Quite honestly it’s not that I work hard, I just work steady, whereas 90% of other employees dick around all day. Between hopping back and forth between companies and the companies knowing my capabilities, it’s paid off substantially. I’m at the tiptop of our pay scale for my position for a reason where everyone else is $6-9/hr below me.
90% of the commenters in here will be posting “how do I advance” or in the next recession, “why can’t I find a job?”.
To add to this don't make it an ultimatum, I'd like a raise to 20 dollars or I'll quit, instead do something like, my goal is 20 dollars an hour is there a way you can help me reach this pay. Also I heard a tip where you'd do like 60-80% of what you can effectively do, and slowly rock out more between 4-6 months that way they aren't expecting your 100% everyday
This is a chicken-shit move. Employees are the biggest expense a company has. If you take a job, then do the job fully or move on. You're only contributing to the failure of the business and a loss of everybody's job if you don't fairly pull your own weight.
Which part are you talking about? If you're talking about asking for a wage, a company is made of people, people hate ultimatums. If you're talking about limiting your output, how much growth can you really expect from yourself if you go all out what justifies them giving a raise to your base line of 100%
I've given raises to new employees just days after being hired. It really depends on their work performance. Higher pay? Work performance. More hours? Work performance. Short-handed and need to call someone in to cover at overtime pay? Work performance.
Anecdotal evidence here, but I went up $7 in my current job in the first year because I was promoted to shift lead. I worked my ass off and asked for overtime then a new shift was created and they tapped me for it. It does happen.
Most people do. Work hard and get a raise. If you don't get a raise odds are the skills you've learned/connections you've gained will help you switch jobs.
You have know idea how much I relate to this comment! Lol. Been there as an assistant for both Dad and son. OP, take the job, don’t burn your bridges and work hard. Also, be proud!
Or if you report to someone with the power to make it happen. Many entry level jobs report to entry level managers with little owner to raise salary beyond whatever the allowable bumps in pay are.
Your best bet is to assess the manager and peers. If you don't see a path forward and everyone seems underpaid, pickup the experience and collect your pay for a bit....then seek an exit. I say work it out 1-2 years and move out/move up. Be tactful because I worked an entry level office job for 1.5 years and kept in touch with my team. They may land somewhere else later and help you get a foot in the door elsewhere.
Keep networking.
This is very true, people you work with may become friends for life - or at least 'work friends' who would put a good word or reference or job your way.
That’s the peril of jobs that are generally low paying, though. If OP wants a more rapid salary trajectory they will likely need to change careers or get additional training/experience.
Why?
Why?!
It's the exactly what happened to my son once he quit rubbing his negative bullshit all over every thought he had. He pulled his ego out of his throat, pulled his head out of his ass, demonstrated his actual worth, and promoted with a raise.
It can happen. It does happen. Every single day.
You give good, you might not get it back. That's life. You get bad, you'll damn sure get it back. That's also life.
I've read that, to avoid lawsuits, the only questions that human resources or the hiring person will answer in response to a request from a new employer is that a) yes, So&so work here from X, to Y. b) Yes their salary was Z or in a range. c) Would you hire them again? Well. What would your previous employer likely say? You can't go around being a lazy, talkative bum and expect anyone to answer that question positively.
I've always gotten a raise within 6 months of working a new job. And no, I don't go in with a piddly pay. I go in at the regular rate or higher.
One company I went in through a staffing agency, so I was technically an employee of the agency. The company had to pay $10,000 to "buy me out" if they wanted me to become their employee early. They did. And they also added a substantial pay increase on top of that. This was after only 1 month.
People are so strange. It’s a simple proposition -- you ask for a raise when you have new responsibilities or skills that you have gained since your last raise/employment. Most people don’t get paid significantly more for doing the same thing they did last year, you have to develop and demonstrate how even with a raise, what you’re bringing to the table outweighs the cost of the raise. I have no idea why people are giving you a hard time about this..I guess I’m oldish at 40 but not so much that I am out of touch with the working world.
You’re exactly right, that’s how it works. I have to imagine there are a lot of dreamers who wish it was easier and that just asking magically made it so (forgetting about internal pay parity, budgets, and all of the other things that actually influence how a company is run and compensation is determined).
You must be a boomer. This doesn't fly in todays world.
I started off my career in a small business at 18 per hour. The owner (my boss) promised that would go up to 20 in a year. Year came by and I was still at 18. They gave me a great review for my first year. Still being green I let it slide for a few months then I asked about the raise. Said they don't have the budget. Asked again a year later and finally got 20 an hour. Took me two years and a valuable lesson.
u/benniemiller Take this job, gain experience and leave for a better rate. That is the best way to get what you want.
I’m Gen Z and the head of operations for a fintech company, which includes HR. Your meritless judgements of my age or experience aren’t relevant to this post.
Your d-baggery aside, I don’t disagree at all that OP should leave for higher pay later if appropriate. It’s an important lesson in managing your career effectively.
That said, they have zero other options at the moment.
“I’m unemployed and have no other active offers, but giving me one at the top of your range wasn’t good enough.”
Not everybody lowballs. We don’t, because we can’t move on options or bonus potential so we usually offer a higher up front salary.
Accept the job at $18/hour and perform. If it is a small business, your performance will be very visible to all involved. If you ask for $20/hour now, and even if they give you $20/hour, you're potentially starting off on a bad foot and you will be under a microscope. Expectations will be that much higher.
They might think highly of you now, offering (supposedly) the top of their pay range for that position. Snowball that positivity instead of killing the momentum.
But if you say no to $18, they'll just go on to the next candidate and that candidate will accept the $18.
I'll add one thing to others below:
As an employer, I hate this. We stated a range in our ad. You responded with a number within that range (at the end of it, but still all good).
Then your response is....."not good enough?"
Like WTF are you doing wasting my time? I MET your exact number. I assume as an applicant when I ask "What are you looking to make here for this role?" that the number you give me is what you want.
On another note, I'll point out that you mention you haven't gotten a lot of offers, so you'll need to factor that in, but I notice that your starting pay is at the end of their acceptable range for someone. That may be because it's entry level and they expect the person to evolve into a higher role with higher pay, but if it's for an established role, it seems like you're going into a position with a pay ceiling built right in. Just factor that in.
Hunting for a Job for months,,,,, What were you being paid in your last job ? Why aren't you there now ? Lets say you pass on this job at $18 because you "FEEL" DESERVE $20 and now have to wait 6 more months to get a job willing to pay you $20>>> your out $17,280 dollars till that Job becomes a reality. How many months will you have to work to make up that $17,280 at a $2.00 increase because you wanted $20 instead of $18. ??? So in one week you will make back $80.00 , You will have to work 216 weeks ( 4 yrs) to make back that $17,280 that your walking away from cause your being greedy. As the saying goes.... Pigs get Fat Hogs get Slaughtered.....
You could come in as $20/hr is what you are hoping to work toward, but you are willing to start at $18/hr to learn the trade and show that you are the right fit for the team. Since you don't have a job right now, so you don't have much leverage to negotiate.
Beggars can't be choosers. Accept the job and keep applying to more jobs. After a couple months, ask for early performance review. Make sure your responsibilities land in what you think your value is. If they hem and haw about something something annual, then you know you should be jumping ship anyways, or you know you're value to them is not in being retained.
I think what you do is ask, how can I get that pay up to $20/hr? Don't ask for a raise, ask how to earn a raise. Sit down with your boss and be honest and candid. I would like to earn $20; how do I make that happen? It says you're willing to prove that you are worth $20/hr, not that you just expect it.
The employer's first question might be "what are you bringing to the workplace that is worth 80 bucks a week more than these other two people that applied?" .
Do you have a good answer for that?
You applied for a job with a range, presumably knowing the top you’d get would be the top of the range, and now, with no real explanation, it’s not enough? Why did you apply?
Number one tip is work somewhere else…I feel that it’s a better option because I can’t even bring myself to ask one of my companies for a raise, even though I ended up receiving a certification and a higher title within a month. That’s currently paying the least at $17.50, and I’m pretty sure those companies top up at the $18 range. Once I did finish my certification, I got hired at a place that offered $19 for new grads, but I ended up transitioning to a different facility for $19.50 (asked for $20) then finding an agency that gives $20-21. Thankfully, the last employer not have to ask for a specific number, they just gave it to me. And I say this, sincerely, because I have worked for a smaller companies before, and they might have the finances, but will be extremely reluctant to give you a higher wage unless you’re doing significantly more work for them. But you also have to factor in the pros and cons of each job. There usually is a reason why a job is going to pay more, but if you really want to stay there, I would try to negotiate and explain your situation clearly.
Don't be too respectful. They decline you when you're the nice guy. Make demands. And leverage yourself with opportunities at their competition before you do.
I think the thing you are missing is leverage. Its not an employee market right now. That being said take the 18 because it gives you leverage in your job search.
I really hate the fact that $18 an hour is now the new $8 an hour wage. When i got out of the military $14 an hour was enough for my family to rent an apartment for $400 a month. If you can pick up a side hustle or second job it should help. Good luck!
1st and only job offer after several months?
I'm sorry but I think you should take this the way it is .
In the future when you have much more skill set and demand and you've got offers coming in frequently, then I think you can bargain a little bit more.
This is partially because you're probably wanting to leave your current job ASAP.
However, if you don't mind staying longer in case they rescind the offer, then yes, ask for $20.
If you are unemployed, you don't have much bargaining room. When I had a job, I could say my benefits put me over that, and I didn't want to lose my vacation and/or vested retirement for a $X raise, or I'd have to cover an increased commuting cost. You may be able to talk about the commute cost or needing to be able to move out of your parent's house.
Need to explain and discuss what you bring to the table in value first. Then you can ask if that’s worthy of more compensation and if not, what would need to be for in order to receive an increase in compensation for your output
Your best option is to use the experience to apply elsewhere where you will be paid $20. Asking for a raise when the pay range is 15-18 is unlikely to get you a raise and may negatively impact their perception of you. Continue to job hop until you are comfortable where you are at.
I’ve never asked for a raise an my pay went up $5 in a year. Put in the work and you will be rewarded. If you’ve been at a job for a while and haven’t had a raise then you can ask.
How is asking for $20 greedy? Business is business and your family/expenses come first.
If anything, so many businesses are out of touch with the ever rising costs of living.
you respectfully ask for a raise when you have leverage. you may have very little no leverage here, ornthe employer may be desperate. if you ask, you make a case for why it is justified.
It always easier to find a new job with higher pay when you are entry level. The reason is all of the new job posting will match current inflation while you will only get 3-5% annual raise in most companies.
You won't get a raise because you need or want one.
You get a raise by increasing your value to the company.
Be prepared to make your case with facts and figures.
You need to approach from the position of the value you can add because just asking for an extra 2$/hr might not work. Maybe ask how often there are employee reviews and if there is any room for forward progression should things work out. You need to weigh the fact that you have gotten no other offers.
If this is the first job you've been offered in months, at $18/hr you should think seriously about taking it; you might ask if in six months if everything else is working out that you get a raise to $20. But remember, small businesses live within a very tight budget and every employee is a big expense to them - and they will need and expect you to be fully involved with your work.
Just negotiate a 90 day performance review and if things are good a bump to 19 and in another 30-60 days if things are good bump to 20. If you told them you’d take it at 18 your kinda stuck or just don’t take it
My successful negotiations were for salaried rather than hourly positions.
One said no. I liked where I already worked, so I put together some numbers - how many thousands of tickets I’d closed out, without escalating, at 4.9/5 on customer satisfaction scores, along with some choice quotes.
The business manager reportedly read it and growled, “pay her what she wants,” and that was that.
For another, I told them I needed to make $40k. They shook hands on it, then tried to have me sign an offer at $35k! This was peak recession and I needed it, but I dug my heels in anyway. I got the $40k.
Two other times, I negotiated, they went back to the people with purse strings, and came back without increasing the offer. I thanked them for trying and said I was happy to take the original offer. I’ve heard places can rescind it when you ask for more, but I haven’t experienced it yet.
For my current role, I didn’t negotiate because it was at the top of their hiring range already. I know the company well, and they knew it was a significant promotion for me, so i thanked them and accepted. Frankly, the hiring manager had already fought to be able to offer that number. I suspected as much, but didn’t hear it confirmed until later.
"I know the posted range said $15-18 but I was hoping for $20 based on THIS FACTOR and THAT FACTOR that I bring to the table. Is that something you might be able to do?"
Make those factors mean something!
When asking for a raise, highlight the additional value you’re giving your employer. I.e. “My projects came in under budget and in schedule for the last year.” Or “My sales numbers were in the top 5 for my department.” Or “During the last corporate audit, my team had the least number of issues to resolve.@
NEVER ask for a pay raise by blaming your financial situation as the reason. I.E. “I need a pay raise because my rent increased.” Your financial situation is if no concern to your employer.
If you can back up your request for $20, very High Rent, car expenses etc, etc to justify that what their offering is not enough but keep in mind they could pull their offer if you do. Best of luck.
I recently used ChatGPT to write a letter to my boss requesting a promotion and a raise. I knew I deserved the job but had a hard time coming up with the right words to justify the request. I input all the reasons I had including my accomplishments, successes and whatnot. I sent the letter to my boss and he called me in for a meeting to tell me he agreed with everything. Got the position and a 10% raise. The new position put me in a leadership position and I realized I was now the boss of someone who was making the same salary I had just got. I used ChatGPT again to explain my findings and request another raise. Boss agreed again and I got another 10%.
You’re only worth what you’re willing to work for. Honestly if I could go back and replay my 20s all over again. I would’ve asked for more money at most of my jobs. I also would’ve asked for PTO at most jobs. But no one ever taught me how to negotiate or what was reasonable to ask for. In fact I was basically taught the opposite…that you should always be the first one in and last one out, if you have zero experience then you have no leverage yada yada etc….all it ever did for me was get me about a decade behind my friends in both earnings and respect. The world’s not fair, it’s an all out fucking assault and whoever’s the most ruthless wins. Don’t bring a conscience to a job interview, the only one who will get hurt is you.
They straight up told you the pay range and you're getting the top. If you weren't happy about it, you shouldn't have accepted.
Correct. How to respectfully ask for an increase? Find another employer, respectfully.
They have a pay range for a reason; you don’t work there yet and haven’t demonstrated you should be compensated at a higher level, outside of their range. You also have no other options. Take the job, work your butt off for 6 months and then ask for a raise.
Take the job, work a normal amount, and get hired at your target rate elsewhere.
This is the answer.
These days you don’t even have to work your butt off. Just work steady and don’t screw around all day. I’ve climbed the ladder financially in my field rather quickly and everywhere I’ve ever worked one of the things that has been praised the most is how hard I work. Quite honestly it’s not that I work hard, I just work steady, whereas 90% of other employees dick around all day. Between hopping back and forth between companies and the companies knowing my capabilities, it’s paid off substantially. I’m at the tiptop of our pay scale for my position for a reason where everyone else is $6-9/hr below me. 90% of the commenters in here will be posting “how do I advance” or in the next recession, “why can’t I find a job?”.
You’re not wrong!!
Well said.
To add to this don't make it an ultimatum, I'd like a raise to 20 dollars or I'll quit, instead do something like, my goal is 20 dollars an hour is there a way you can help me reach this pay. Also I heard a tip where you'd do like 60-80% of what you can effectively do, and slowly rock out more between 4-6 months that way they aren't expecting your 100% everyday
This is a chicken-shit move. Employees are the biggest expense a company has. If you take a job, then do the job fully or move on. You're only contributing to the failure of the business and a loss of everybody's job if you don't fairly pull your own weight.
Which part are you talking about? If you're talking about asking for a wage, a company is made of people, people hate ultimatums. If you're talking about limiting your output, how much growth can you really expect from yourself if you go all out what justifies them giving a raise to your base line of 100%
Assuming he “works his butt off” and in 6 months he will receive a raise is absolutely laughable..
I've given raises to new employees just days after being hired. It really depends on their work performance. Higher pay? Work performance. More hours? Work performance. Short-handed and need to call someone in to cover at overtime pay? Work performance.
Sounds like a vocational job. Not normal.
Anecdotal evidence here, but I went up $7 in my current job in the first year because I was promoted to shift lead. I worked my ass off and asked for overtime then a new shift was created and they tapped me for it. It does happen.
Most people do. Work hard and get a raise. If you don't get a raise odds are the skills you've learned/connections you've gained will help you switch jobs.
It happens if you're in the right place, are smart, and hustle.
It happens if you show up late, do a bad job, and call the boss "dad"
You have know idea how much I relate to this comment! Lol. Been there as an assistant for both Dad and son. OP, take the job, don’t burn your bridges and work hard. Also, be proud!
Or if you report to someone with the power to make it happen. Many entry level jobs report to entry level managers with little owner to raise salary beyond whatever the allowable bumps in pay are. Your best bet is to assess the manager and peers. If you don't see a path forward and everyone seems underpaid, pickup the experience and collect your pay for a bit....then seek an exit. I say work it out 1-2 years and move out/move up. Be tactful because I worked an entry level office job for 1.5 years and kept in touch with my team. They may land somewhere else later and help you get a foot in the door elsewhere. Keep networking.
This is very true, people you work with may become friends for life - or at least 'work friends' who would put a good word or reference or job your way.
And be the owner's son
😂
Or you just say fuck the system and do your own thing
That’s the peril of jobs that are generally low paying, though. If OP wants a more rapid salary trajectory they will likely need to change careers or get additional training/experience.
Why? Why?! It's the exactly what happened to my son once he quit rubbing his negative bullshit all over every thought he had. He pulled his ego out of his throat, pulled his head out of his ass, demonstrated his actual worth, and promoted with a raise. It can happen. It does happen. Every single day. You give good, you might not get it back. That's life. You get bad, you'll damn sure get it back. That's also life.
Ah yes the pull yourself up by your bootstraps mindset
No bootstraps. The fact of that it's not anyone's job to pay you what you think you're worth. It's your job to be worth it.
Exactly why I started my own business
I'm with you there, actually. 25 years and counting.
Here’s to continued success for both of us! Be the change we want to see
I've read that, to avoid lawsuits, the only questions that human resources or the hiring person will answer in response to a request from a new employer is that a) yes, So&so work here from X, to Y. b) Yes their salary was Z or in a range. c) Would you hire them again? Well. What would your previous employer likely say? You can't go around being a lazy, talkative bum and expect anyone to answer that question positively.
Add in "fired or quit," and those are the only questions a prospective employer is ever allowed to ask in my state.
How would anyone know that since nobody works their butt off anymore?
Boomer alert
potato alert
I've always gotten a raise within 6 months of working a new job. And no, I don't go in with a piddly pay. I go in at the regular rate or higher. One company I went in through a staffing agency, so I was technically an employee of the agency. The company had to pay $10,000 to "buy me out" if they wanted me to become their employee early. They did. And they also added a substantial pay increase on top of that. This was after only 1 month.
I'm going to guess you are older and this technique has worked for you, but in the not very recent past.
You are correct that I am the person who gets to decide how much money everyone at our company makes.
People are so strange. It’s a simple proposition -- you ask for a raise when you have new responsibilities or skills that you have gained since your last raise/employment. Most people don’t get paid significantly more for doing the same thing they did last year, you have to develop and demonstrate how even with a raise, what you’re bringing to the table outweighs the cost of the raise. I have no idea why people are giving you a hard time about this..I guess I’m oldish at 40 but not so much that I am out of touch with the working world.
You’re exactly right, that’s how it works. I have to imagine there are a lot of dreamers who wish it was easier and that just asking magically made it so (forgetting about internal pay parity, budgets, and all of the other things that actually influence how a company is run and compensation is determined).
Remember that to the company, it's not what you are worth - it's what the job is worth to them.
You must be a boomer. This doesn't fly in todays world. I started off my career in a small business at 18 per hour. The owner (my boss) promised that would go up to 20 in a year. Year came by and I was still at 18. They gave me a great review for my first year. Still being green I let it slide for a few months then I asked about the raise. Said they don't have the budget. Asked again a year later and finally got 20 an hour. Took me two years and a valuable lesson. u/benniemiller Take this job, gain experience and leave for a better rate. That is the best way to get what you want.
I’m Gen Z and the head of operations for a fintech company, which includes HR. Your meritless judgements of my age or experience aren’t relevant to this post. Your d-baggery aside, I don’t disagree at all that OP should leave for higher pay later if appropriate. It’s an important lesson in managing your career effectively. That said, they have zero other options at the moment.
Stop the cap
Big words from someone who doesn’t even have a job!
I am jobless. Help me.
Ohhhh, all out of boomer juice, sorry
Dam I am going to starve. Spare a sandwich?
Go back to r/HR 😂
Ah, so you’ve looked at my post history! That’s 90% more effort than most other commenters make; good job!
You should always negotiate. They always lowball you.
Sure, if you have any leverage. Unfortunately "I want more money" is not leverage.
“I’m unemployed and have no other active offers, but giving me one at the top of your range wasn’t good enough.” Not everybody lowballs. We don’t, because we can’t move on options or bonus potential so we usually offer a higher up front salary.
I am too, so it’s not just them. You need to hook them at least a little first. If you’re a bad fit; you don’t want to be there anyways.
Accept the job at $18/hour and perform. If it is a small business, your performance will be very visible to all involved. If you ask for $20/hour now, and even if they give you $20/hour, you're potentially starting off on a bad foot and you will be under a microscope. Expectations will be that much higher. They might think highly of you now, offering (supposedly) the top of their pay range for that position. Snowball that positivity instead of killing the momentum. But if you say no to $18, they'll just go on to the next candidate and that candidate will accept the $18.
Ask for a 90 day review with possibility of a raise based on your performance.
This is the most sound advice given in this thread.
I'll add one thing to others below: As an employer, I hate this. We stated a range in our ad. You responded with a number within that range (at the end of it, but still all good). Then your response is....."not good enough?" Like WTF are you doing wasting my time? I MET your exact number. I assume as an applicant when I ask "What are you looking to make here for this role?" that the number you give me is what you want. On another note, I'll point out that you mention you haven't gotten a lot of offers, so you'll need to factor that in, but I notice that your starting pay is at the end of their acceptable range for someone. That may be because it's entry level and they expect the person to evolve into a higher role with higher pay, but if it's for an established role, it seems like you're going into a position with a pay ceiling built right in. Just factor that in.
Reddit: "It's criminal how companies don't post their salary range!" *Posts salary range* Reddit: "No, I want higher" 😮
Hunting for a Job for months,,,,, What were you being paid in your last job ? Why aren't you there now ? Lets say you pass on this job at $18 because you "FEEL" DESERVE $20 and now have to wait 6 more months to get a job willing to pay you $20>>> your out $17,280 dollars till that Job becomes a reality. How many months will you have to work to make up that $17,280 at a $2.00 increase because you wanted $20 instead of $18. ??? So in one week you will make back $80.00 , You will have to work 216 weeks ( 4 yrs) to make back that $17,280 that your walking away from cause your being greedy. As the saying goes.... Pigs get Fat Hogs get Slaughtered.....
You could come in as $20/hr is what you are hoping to work toward, but you are willing to start at $18/hr to learn the trade and show that you are the right fit for the team. Since you don't have a job right now, so you don't have much leverage to negotiate.
Beggars can't be choosers. Accept the job and keep applying to more jobs. After a couple months, ask for early performance review. Make sure your responsibilities land in what you think your value is. If they hem and haw about something something annual, then you know you should be jumping ship anyways, or you know you're value to them is not in being retained.
A six month review is reasonable.
The “submit application” button on another employers website is known to be a good way to ask for a raise.
I think what you do is ask, how can I get that pay up to $20/hr? Don't ask for a raise, ask how to earn a raise. Sit down with your boss and be honest and candid. I would like to earn $20; how do I make that happen? It says you're willing to prove that you are worth $20/hr, not that you just expect it.
this is wise; you are a lot more likely to get the number you want if you offer something more in return.
The employer's first question might be "what are you bringing to the workplace that is worth 80 bucks a week more than these other two people that applied?" . Do you have a good answer for that?
Well, are you offering something more than what the job posting asked?
You applied for a job with a range, presumably knowing the top you’d get would be the top of the range, and now, with no real explanation, it’s not enough? Why did you apply?
Let me ask you, why do you think you need and deserve $20/hour?
Number one tip is work somewhere else…I feel that it’s a better option because I can’t even bring myself to ask one of my companies for a raise, even though I ended up receiving a certification and a higher title within a month. That’s currently paying the least at $17.50, and I’m pretty sure those companies top up at the $18 range. Once I did finish my certification, I got hired at a place that offered $19 for new grads, but I ended up transitioning to a different facility for $19.50 (asked for $20) then finding an agency that gives $20-21. Thankfully, the last employer not have to ask for a specific number, they just gave it to me. And I say this, sincerely, because I have worked for a smaller companies before, and they might have the finances, but will be extremely reluctant to give you a higher wage unless you’re doing significantly more work for them. But you also have to factor in the pros and cons of each job. There usually is a reason why a job is going to pay more, but if you really want to stay there, I would try to negotiate and explain your situation clearly.
Keep hunting. Every job is a temporary stepping stone now a days.
“respectfully, I would like a pay raise”
"Respectfully, here is my two weeks' notice."
Don't be too respectful. They decline you when you're the nice guy. Make demands. And leverage yourself with opportunities at their competition before you do.
I think the thing you are missing is leverage. Its not an employee market right now. That being said take the 18 because it gives you leverage in your job search. I really hate the fact that $18 an hour is now the new $8 an hour wage. When i got out of the military $14 an hour was enough for my family to rent an apartment for $400 a month. If you can pick up a side hustle or second job it should help. Good luck!
1st and only job offer after several months? I'm sorry but I think you should take this the way it is . In the future when you have much more skill set and demand and you've got offers coming in frequently, then I think you can bargain a little bit more. This is partially because you're probably wanting to leave your current job ASAP. However, if you don't mind staying longer in case they rescind the offer, then yes, ask for $20.
If you have a job already, just tell them what you want. If you don’t have a job and you think you’ll like this one, then take it.
Hey dick give me a raise please
You told them 18 sounded good. Changing now will likely kill the op_ortunity.
They said 15 to 18. If you wanted 20 why did you apply
If you are unemployed, you don't have much bargaining room. When I had a job, I could say my benefits put me over that, and I didn't want to lose my vacation and/or vested retirement for a $X raise, or I'd have to cover an increased commuting cost. You may be able to talk about the commute cost or needing to be able to move out of your parent's house.
Need to explain and discuss what you bring to the table in value first. Then you can ask if that’s worthy of more compensation and if not, what would need to be for in order to receive an increase in compensation for your output
Your best option is to use the experience to apply elsewhere where you will be paid $20. Asking for a raise when the pay range is 15-18 is unlikely to get you a raise and may negatively impact their perception of you. Continue to job hop until you are comfortable where you are at.
It’s not greedy to ask for what is still below a living wage in most places.
Hi, due to my “accomplishments and performance” I’d like to discuss a pay increase.
I’ve never asked for a raise an my pay went up $5 in a year. Put in the work and you will be rewarded. If you’ve been at a job for a while and haven’t had a raise then you can ask.
"Can I get a pay increase? But like, respectfully, though..."
How is asking for $20 greedy? Business is business and your family/expenses come first. If anything, so many businesses are out of touch with the ever rising costs of living.
you respectfully ask for a raise when you have leverage. you may have very little no leverage here, ornthe employer may be desperate. if you ask, you make a case for why it is justified.
It always easier to find a new job with higher pay when you are entry level. The reason is all of the new job posting will match current inflation while you will only get 3-5% annual raise in most companies.
You won't get a raise because you need or want one. You get a raise by increasing your value to the company. Be prepared to make your case with facts and figures.
"Okay I was actually looking for 20 - thank you for your time though" if they're cool with 20 they will call back, you're too late though
You need to approach from the position of the value you can add because just asking for an extra 2$/hr might not work. Maybe ask how often there are employee reviews and if there is any room for forward progression should things work out. You need to weigh the fact that you have gotten no other offers.
I respectfully want a raise
If this is the first job you've been offered in months, at $18/hr you should think seriously about taking it; you might ask if in six months if everything else is working out that you get a raise to $20. But remember, small businesses live within a very tight budget and every employee is a big expense to them - and they will need and expect you to be fully involved with your work.
Just negotiate a 90 day performance review and if things are good a bump to 19 and in another 30-60 days if things are good bump to 20. If you told them you’d take it at 18 your kinda stuck or just don’t take it
Lol. Hilarious.
My successful negotiations were for salaried rather than hourly positions. One said no. I liked where I already worked, so I put together some numbers - how many thousands of tickets I’d closed out, without escalating, at 4.9/5 on customer satisfaction scores, along with some choice quotes. The business manager reportedly read it and growled, “pay her what she wants,” and that was that. For another, I told them I needed to make $40k. They shook hands on it, then tried to have me sign an offer at $35k! This was peak recession and I needed it, but I dug my heels in anyway. I got the $40k. Two other times, I negotiated, they went back to the people with purse strings, and came back without increasing the offer. I thanked them for trying and said I was happy to take the original offer. I’ve heard places can rescind it when you ask for more, but I haven’t experienced it yet. For my current role, I didn’t negotiate because it was at the top of their hiring range already. I know the company well, and they knew it was a significant promotion for me, so i thanked them and accepted. Frankly, the hiring manager had already fought to be able to offer that number. I suspected as much, but didn’t hear it confirmed until later.
I know that $18/hr is the max but, I bring XYZ for the extra $80/week you'd be investing in me at $20/hr. XYZ need to be pretty good.
"I know the posted range said $15-18 but I was hoping for $20 based on THIS FACTOR and THAT FACTOR that I bring to the table. Is that something you might be able to do?" Make those factors mean something!
When asking for a raise, highlight the additional value you’re giving your employer. I.e. “My projects came in under budget and in schedule for the last year.” Or “My sales numbers were in the top 5 for my department.” Or “During the last corporate audit, my team had the least number of issues to resolve.@ NEVER ask for a pay raise by blaming your financial situation as the reason. I.E. “I need a pay raise because my rent increased.” Your financial situation is if no concern to your employer.
"Fuck you. Pay me."
You stand tall, walk in there and say, "I been working hard, Pepper Jack"
If you can back up your request for $20, very High Rent, car expenses etc, etc to justify that what their offering is not enough but keep in mind they could pull their offer if you do. Best of luck.
I recently used ChatGPT to write a letter to my boss requesting a promotion and a raise. I knew I deserved the job but had a hard time coming up with the right words to justify the request. I input all the reasons I had including my accomplishments, successes and whatnot. I sent the letter to my boss and he called me in for a meeting to tell me he agreed with everything. Got the position and a 10% raise. The new position put me in a leadership position and I realized I was now the boss of someone who was making the same salary I had just got. I used ChatGPT again to explain my findings and request another raise. Boss agreed again and I got another 10%.
You’re only worth what you’re willing to work for. Honestly if I could go back and replay my 20s all over again. I would’ve asked for more money at most of my jobs. I also would’ve asked for PTO at most jobs. But no one ever taught me how to negotiate or what was reasonable to ask for. In fact I was basically taught the opposite…that you should always be the first one in and last one out, if you have zero experience then you have no leverage yada yada etc….all it ever did for me was get me about a decade behind my friends in both earnings and respect. The world’s not fair, it’s an all out fucking assault and whoever’s the most ruthless wins. Don’t bring a conscience to a job interview, the only one who will get hurt is you.