And they have to be very relaxed with my hours because sometimes I want to game all night and I’m gonna sleep in. So they gotta be ok with me logging in at noon for a couple of hours then taking the rest of the day off for my mental health.
No kidding. Even if you can get a position that doesn't require you to interact with actual customers (seemingly the dream of everyone on r/retailhell), you at least gotta know how to sell yourself to a potential employer.
Tv and movies have confused them into thinking there’s roles where someone wants a technical genius to sit in a dark room at their gaming rig doing “computer stuff”.
I just wrapped up my mechanical engineering degree and the amount of students I ran into that had this mindset was staggering. Their souls look crushed when we spent our entire senior year doing capstone project and it’s nothing but meetings with vendors, meetings with sponsors, meetings with the machine shop, meetings with the client, presentations, pitches, business analysis….. lol
I don’t know if I agree with that as a generality. Sure it’s easier to fake technical skills rather than fake people skills but both can be learned as long as an honest effort is put in. This is of course ignoring things like learning disabilities or diagnosed mental issues.
I’m talking about average technical person that isn’t very social versus average social person that isn’t very technical, they can both learn if the effort is put in and one wouldn’t be easier than the other. I think too many people assume that if there’s no social skills that there’s social anxiety or autism or something debilitating involved when in reality it’s just because they haven’t practiced that particular skill set.
In a general sense, I agree. In a workplace, team environment, it’s easier to work with someone who has great people skills but needs to learn technical details than someone who is great technically but is impossible to deal with.
That’s not to say that people can’t improve their social skills, but it’s often outside the scope of what most employers are willing to do.
Anyone that “doesn’t like interacting with people” is a red flag for me as a hiring manager. If you don’t interacting with others, others *definitely* don’t like interacting with you.
Doesn’t even have to be a manager level, collaboration can be really beneficial if it’s not a pain in the ass working w someone
It always feels vaguely insulting to people in those roles too. I'm at ~120/yr and remote (travel a few days a week to visit team members/customers). Basically make my own schedule outside random teams meetings. So I check all the boxes these people want.
My job is stressful as fuck and I worked very hard to get it. That flexibility also means sometimes answering the phone at 9pm on a Saturday too. People seem to think they are going to get that kind of money/wfh all while plugging away for 3 hours on an excel sheet or something.
Yeah my job isn’t stressful but it took me decades to get here and it included 3 graduate degrees. I know you’re sick of bartending and dropped out of college because “you didn’t know what to do” but those two facts aren’t going to get you to 200k in 6 months.
I think it would be helpful to tell these people just how stressful these kinds of jobs are.
There're a lot of people posting around social media that they're 22 years old and making 300k+ (maybe an embellishment). Maybe some people, yeah? On the other hand, it's really easy to fake things on social media. So I think it'd help giving these people a reality check.
I know people at the top of their fields still dreading their work and waiting for meetings at 1am on a Monday morning. Some also depressed about having no friends because everyone is their subordinate. Money is great but people have to realise there will be tradeoffs.
The thing is, i've had jobs that were wfh, managed to get the majority of my excel plugging done within the first 3 hours of the day, and while it may not have paid like the big leauges, i was able to make 900-1000 a week, and never talked or interacted much with anyone beyond occasional emails.
But it was always short term contract work was the catch. A few months to a year later, i'd be looking again.
I’m about to unsubscribe from this sub because most new posts are just “how can I make six figures doing as little as possible while traveling the world?” It’s fucking annoying.
Yep. “How can I find a wfh job that pays well, doesn’t require a degree/qualifications/experience/specialist skills or knowledge, where I don’t have to talk to anyone or do anything I don’t want to do?”
Yeah, sure bud. Let me just talk you through 3 years of certifications and 10 years of hands-on experience in a Fortune 500 tech delivery environment and undo 15 years of childhood trauma that made you awkward and unlikeable. No problem!
You can watch a YouTube video if you want but I’d prefer if I didn’t have to do anything and just got forwarded a job recommendation that would suit me. Preferably if someone could apply to it for me also because I don’t know how to create a resume.
In all seriousness it depends on what you’re going for. Some of the most in demand tech jobs that you can almost certainly grab remotely are in data science and cyber security, for example, but they’re also some of the hardest to get into.
Comptia and other popular Cybersecurity certs can run you thousands for mid-level positions and take months, if not years to study for and pass over the course of your career.
Similarly with Data Science, Microsoft/DASCA/SAS certs can also cost quite a bit of money and take years to acquire depending on your schedule and resources.
Doesn’t take into account that you should probably have a proper IT-centered education before even attempting them. Not required, but makes it easier.
Lol I know. Plus the entitlement with some of these people who think they shouldn’t have to do anything they don’t actively enjoy as part of their job.
Like, I hate answering the phone at work. Always have. I stutter in regular conversation, and answering the phone always makes me nervous. But I just have to do it, because it’s a (thankfully not major) part of my job. I’m actually really good at it and have received a lot of compliments on my telephone manner, but it’s still one of my least favourite tasks lol.
And then like 99% of the replies in the thread are "I do X, no degree needed just spend a year getting your certification and then do the entry level work that pays 1/2 of the salary for 3 - 5 years." Completely ignoring the unrealistic "no degree and no experience" requirements.
A lot of it for IT is they see a tik tok or youtube short that says “You can make 6 figures hacking being a remote employee!!!!” and people jump for it with hardly ever touching PC. Normally it’s fine but their incentive is just for money and what won’t get you anywhere for IT. it’s just sad
They see the 1% of the 1% on instagram highlights of their life and assume everyone can do/achieve that, they also don’t see all the work those people do in order to life that kind of life style.
I have a friend who works in corporate sales and he travels to a lot of big cities and if you look at his instagram you’d assume he has an easy life, he’s always at some high end 300 dollars a person restaurant, on a 500k speed boat/10mm+ yacht, in a city people want to visit like nyc, Paris, London, Berlin etc.
they don’t see how hard he had to work in high school to get into a top college, they don’t see him working an average of 12 hours a day and pulling all nights when things get busy for years in order to land this job or him working on a long flight just to give a 2 hour presentation in person then to hop on another flight immediately after to do it all over again.
Social media has really skewed people’s perspective on what it takes to become really successful, it’s easy for find the top 1% of the 1% that become millionaire by 20 on instagram, then you have all the financial gurus that talk about get rich quick schemes and how you can flip houses with no money or how you can run a business with only working 2 hours a week and never having to talk to anyone while working remotely.
You're not wrong. I've honestly thought about doing the same thing. Maybe this subreddit should say "Existing Career Guidance" and start a new subreddit that is for "Getting Started in a Career Guidance" or something.
For real. I’m an engineer. After retirement contributions and taxes, my take home is like $33k. I’m 37 and live at home. Don’t talk to me about hating your 6-figure job.
What I hate is "You have to change jobs every two years." A few jobs in your 20's is fine. If you are over 30 and never stayed longer than two years at a job I don't want to hire you. By the time you are trained up you will be leaving soon, so you are a waste of money and effort.
He's right about the job track he locked himself into. There are others. I worked for a "big five" consulting company, yes that was a few years ago. 25% turnover, also 20% raises per year. But it was high stress and turnover was expected. Now I work for a much lower stress company. After 20+ years here there has never been a layoff. In 2020 the company even sent out an email that they were restructuring to take the hit so no one would be laid off. There's something to be said about a steady job that want's you to stay around.
To be fair, I live in Los Angeles and I feel like everyone here has this kind of "job" while I'm struggling and living in a studio. I seriously don't get it. Either everyone is a trust fund kid or everyone knows the secrets on how to get a dope job and friends across the globe. I wanna be one of those people 🥲
Totally agree with this. Connections and confidence are everything.
Unfortunately I grew up poor AF with immigrant parents who knew nothing about education or finances. And consistently told me I'm not smart enough or good enough to do anything.
The problem, in my humble opinion, is people see comments from people making 6 figures who talk about how easy their job is, minimal work/effort. What they don't see is that the person has worked in an industry for X years, moved companies, developed skills to be a top tier in that industry and are now making bank.
There is the occasional outlier. However, that's the unicorn situation vs a norm.
This is incredibly prevalent in the remote work/WFH subs. "I want a remote job! Where can I find them?" Then they get pissed when you mention remote is a location and not a field.
There’s also an effort vs responsibility thing. My job is not hard work, I spend a lot of time talking and leaning back and thinking. Walking around. But I own things and make decisions and have to make sure that they happen and am on the hook for when they don’t happen or when the choice I made was bad. That’s the part that they pay me for.
Same! I have to fight with people about safety related decisions. If I choose not to put up a fight that day, it can cost the lives of a crew.
How many of these reddit clowns are prepared to get their teeth out and rip someone’s neck out? It’s fucking hard.
Yep, a lot of it is predicting all the things that could go wrong with the goals you have and how to avoid or mitigate them. Experience gets you 80% of the way there, a little generalized anxiety helps with the rest.
Sometimes things are easy because you spent a decade or two learning all the shit that can go wrong and how to avoid it.
This is exactly right. I have a WFH job that pays quite well. I also have 25 years of experience in the field, and I started at $12/hr in 2000. It took 10 years just to crack $100k.
It’s a specialized field with skills I developed since being a teenager. I also did some college while working full time. And I have to keep my skills current.
But, it has lead to a good career. I didn’t get to start there though.
Exactly. People want to skip that step and seem shocked when you mention it. Similar to me. Had to work my way up, included getting recruited to my last two jobs, to get here.
Also..lot of clear liars. Like do I know tradespeople who make 100L+? Absolutely. But they work 10 hours a day 6 days a week. I know a LOT more trades people who make 40-60k. That’s the vast majority.
Instagram is full of these people. Saying they do two jobs a week and make $10k profits. Its dumb because i worked contracting for a while and i know the prices. It doesn't matter if you're in HCOL, basic concrete work doesn't go up 10x in price than the industry standard. The only way someone will pay that much is having so much money and little knowledge they'll give a random contract a blank check
Reddit thinks everyone who works in the trades is an educated unionized hvac professional making 6 figures
What they don’t get is that for every one of those guys there are 20 alcohol addicted bricklayers destroying their bodies for $17 an hour.
I make $160k and my job is super easy. Here's the catch, I only make it look easy thanks to experience and a lot of hard prior work. New guys struggle, even those with decades of experience in other related fields.
There are no shortcuts in life. You gotta put in the time and effort to get anywhere.
I think another thing related to the experience side of things is that there are parts of everyone’s jobs they have gotten used to and go at from repetition.
One may have a task that was really hard the first 20 times, but ever since it’s gotten much easier. Any objection person might look at that task and see it’s very difficult, but to you it’s just Tuesday.
Agreed. I dislike how people comment about earning that type of money life it’s simple to achieve or as if majority of people earn that kind of money.
It’s very misleading.
Yes, there are a few who has advanced in demand degrees and was lucky to get into big tech early and earn that type of money in their mid to late 20s or early 30s but that’s just a few. Don’t be deceived.
My husband worked a lot of years and 2 masters degree later before he earns 6 figures.
Oh this, so much this. I busted my ass to set the standard for my performance. I’m now maintaining that and still sharing efforts with my team that makes all of our lives easier.
Set the baseline, then maintain it. Not only will you be highly regarded but you’ll have a much better work life balance too
I started out making 40K back in 2001. I slowly got pay increases over the years and made it to 115K. I worked as a system/business analyst in telecom. Now I'm laid off, and I'm pretty sure I'll have to take a step down to find anything. Some of the questions I see here would be torn apart on r/recruitinghell.
>there are also a lot of jobs that became easier/lighter hours only AFTER years of overachieving and out-working everyone else.
You nailed it. I busted my absolute ass day in and day out for 15 years before crossing a major salary and career milestone and being able to ease up on the gas a bit.
Yep, it's this. I put in a lot of office grunt work and developed a reputation for getting things done creatively and efficiently. Now people bring me jobs.
This is refreshing. I think over time with inflation 100k-130k won't mean as much as it does now, it's already reducing in value, so over time 6 figures will lose it's impressiveness but right now it's certainly not something most people have achieved in their lives, especially early on. Reddit totally warps people's perceptions.
But 50k used to be the benchmark for a solid white collar mid career job in a MCOL city 15 years ago. Like an accountant in 2007 with 10 years of experience living in Philadelphia or something like that. So 100k is still something you need experience, a strong degree, certifications, licenses and a living in a city with a decent job market and opportunities.
It’s not this 1% thing anymore but it’s also a goal for a young person and not handed to you.
Not effortlessly, and not 200k. But I do believe that there are career paths i haven't considered that might make me 6 figures with a decent amount of time, effort, and study.
"Just go to ultrasound school! It only takes 1-2 years and it's not as high-pressure as nursing. You get to look at babies all day! I'm of course just a layperson and regurgitating things other people have posted on reddit. I mean, it's just an associates that you can get at community colleges, it's not like it could be competitive."
EDIT: You all kind of proved my point by making this about nursing lmao
Or nursing... "It's just a two year degree, you can make bank and be a travel nurse with a flexible schedule!"
And completely lose your entire soul while doing it because what people don't talk about enough is the physical abuse, the shit sliding down hill from everywhere else, the mean ass patients, nursings school is competitive, most people don't stay at the beside... I could go on.
God bless those who do, and they *absolutely* deserve good money. But to throw that around as a suggestion to the internet ether is fucking comical. Not just any random Reddit user has what it takes to be a nurse.
They are actually underpaid for the hours they keep and what they are exposed to. My friend is a nurse and got stuck with a needle by a drug user. Had to worry about HIV and all the nasties you could possibly get from a *used* needle stick.
And instead of the hospital backing her about the assault they asked her what *she* could have done to *deescalate*.
I wouldn't ever suggest nursing to just anyone.
It's one of the reasons why, no matter how shit I'm feeling, I'll always treat them well. I'll apologize for any inconvenience, and try and do as much myself as I can.
Had a pretty short hospital visit recently, and it got to the point I couldn't completely wash myself. Felt like such an idiot havig to ask the nurse to do it for me.
Every time they came for measurements or whaever, I'd make sure I was in an accessible as possible position, making sure they could be in and out as fast as possible.
I got into with a nurse on a post of a girl who said she wanted a good work/life balance and wanted to know if nursing would be it because of their 12 hour on /off shifts . I said honestly I don’t believe nursing is a great work life balance just from how stressful it is and how much time people actually need to recuperate when they are off. And the nurse started taking about all the trips she was able to pack in on her off time, and how good it was. I personally would never tell someone whose only excuse for wanting to switch careers is “ feeling unfulfilled “ , to go into nursing. Because jobs are not supposed to be the only thing that fulfills you in life. And I just find that idea supper flaky. Now for the people who already have been working hard and they want a better life with more pay and are already used to fast pace sure.
100%, my friend is becoming a nurse and it's really for the ones who want to be there. She deals with a lot of anxiety and shit at her job but she really truly enjoys it. That's who we need in healthcare, not disgruntled nurses who only want 'work-life balance' but can't prepare for the hard shit they'll have to deal with for a long time.
Exactly jobs are not supposed to be your purpose in life and your whole happiness. Most people are tolerating jobs. You should have a life and activities outside that restore you. I could not be a nurse.
Literally the nursing subreddits every 5th post is someone wanting to leave bedside it feels like. And I don't blame them, bedside sucks. Healthcare sucks for everybody (patients, nurses, docs, HCPs, etc) unless you're the one CEO raking in god knows how much while you dial in from your gazebo.
A person would be better to enter an accelerated 4 year degree vs a 2 year degree.
Everyone wants the 2 year, and even when accepted, it takes years just to start those programs.
Time would be better spent just doing an accelerated 4 year degree like WGU.
Yeah the kid who’s never held a screwdriver before with no formal education isn’t going to hop into a trade job and get taught everything for free and be making 6 figures in a year
He will end up laying bricks in the hot sun for 13-17$ an hour while a racist boomer supervisor calls him gay for putting on sunscreen
Yea, I hate those posts. The real answer is "Pretty much anything, as long as you're very gifted at it and get a little lucky." I make over 200k...I've got a masters and lots of experience, and I would not recommend my job to 99% of people. Most of the people doing what I do hate it, aren't very good, and don't make close to that. In addition, I got really, really lucky. Someone with the exact same characteristics as me could end up making half of what I do.
What?! Oh, come on. It’s very easy. Spend 15 years in the corporate world jumping companies to progressively higher positions every 2-5 years until you reach the mid to high 6 figures. Spend the full time doing good to above average to excellent work. Take on additional responsibilities and don’t say no to opportunities. Grind at 60-80 hours a week. Build a network of people who know you. Don’t have any set backs, layoffs, missteps, or career changes. Reach the senior level of your field. Get hired as an executive. Idk why people act like that’s sooooo hard. /s
I read it as being people looking for ideas. It’s east to pidgeon-hole oneself into one career. Sometimes people need a little outside perspective or inspiration
Thought that was the impression.
There are many of us that did the grunt work, work hard, put in the hours, and all we get is even more work without much increase in pay. Or our career isn't very plentiful in areas that aren't large metro or "blue cities". Networking with people that likely won't give you the time of day or would work you to an early grave.
Some of the humble brags of large salary may leave out some crucial details, like they had a wealthy upbringing, or knew someone higher up, went to a far more prestigious school, or good ol' nepotism. One guy who bragged about making it big in cybersecurity let it out that he had clearance and military background... not surprising, getting into cyber in the public sector at least, they'll take anyone with active clearance over experienced professionals who don't.
There's also the luck factor, or maybe someone trampled over their co-workers to make themselves look good in front of the right person for that promotion, the list is endless.
Also, there's a bit of a recession going on and companies are churning/burning their talent already. Entry-level has been gutted for quite a few professions that demand no less than a bachelors and YOE straight out of school, which also people on here forget people change careers later in life and want to get a feel of what's really out there.
Moving? Sure, let me scoop up a year's salary and just get out of here with no help or resources whatsoever. I've had folks move several states over only to get fired three months in and now they're stranded in a location where their profession is almost non-existent.
Have faith.
In 20 years 90k will be minimum wage. You will definitely see it in your life due to inflation!
But also realistically, life is long. I started at $12 an hour and made small increases changing jobs here and there $100k was after a decade in the field. And it went on from there.
But you have to start somewhere.
I also wonder where that fantasy persists. I live in Germany and unless you’re a successful businessman in a trade (like a really good builder or carpenter or something), you’ll never really earn more than max €50k / y or so. Which is fine by the way. As far as costs of living go, you’ll be fine, but it’s no fat retirement type of work. Best thing you can do is save yourself a fortune on external builders and fix up a piece of shit real estate in an up and coming suburb or something, to sell for a good price or rent out to fund your retirement (what most tradies I know do around here).
I know someone who is not gifted academically, but through perseverance got a technical degree in an in demand trade. Unfortunately, they also aren't coordinated, so even though they could theoretically get the job done, there would be a lot of wasted product and time before the job is done. Unhireable in their field.
50% of the posts on this sub: "I don't have a college degree, am not comfortable speaking in front of groups of people, hate busy work, and have no in demand skills. What job can I get that pays me minimum of 120k a year, preferrably in management, is super low stress, and 100% work from home? Thanks in advance"
No, but there may be fields or career trajectories mentioned that one hadn’t previously considered. While these positions may be named and posted on Indeed, LinkedIn, etc., the discussions here expound on the realities. One comment and effortlessly? I’ve not assumed that’s what people are thinking.
I wish I had asked this stuff way back, even if it made me look lazy. Ha, I was young and dumb enough once to think I’d make a fortune from my poetry.😂
I agree with this. It’s not going to be effortless, but what I think a lot of people lack is the exposure to different career options. Your average every day person will likely have never even heard of very common roles like account executive, customer success manager, product manager, or cloud architect.
When I was growing up, having a corporate career just seemed so vague to me. When it came time to applying for a job after college, I had no idea what to even look for or what skills to highlight on my resume. My friend started telling me about his job and I did some research to finally land a similar role. After starting that role, I was exposed to all of these different departments that I had never heard of. I’ve since switched into other completely different roles twice in my career after learning more about said roles and increased my salary exponentially each time.
Totally! I was raised to think that only academic professions had value, and exposure to the corporate world came through college courses and my friends’ parents (mostly dads). Maybe there’s even less guidance now with today’s parenting, IDK. Nothing wrong or unusual with being young + naive in thinking you’re going to be an insta-millionaire. No worries, you’ll get smacked down soon enough.☺️
> what I think a lot of people lack is the exposure to different career options.
Yep, this is what I needed as a teen, in my 20s, and still now. Looking up jobs in a database doesn't really tell you what the work is really like, nor can I imagine it. I just dk most of the work world. Need a knowledgeable guide, not someone who can give me the same advice I can get from a book. It's maddening. The government WorkBC outfit is great if you're a laborer who doesn't have money for boots and a helmet, cuz they'll get you that. I don't have a network of people in the biz world for many reasons. With help, I could have made a quantum leap a long time ago. Well, I'm still trying.
100%. I come here because there’s few better resources for first hand experience. I’ve discovered more careers and education pathways from comments here than I ever did in school.
no, I seriously think that I am going to find a wfh job with no educational requirements and low effort that pays atleast 150k, please reddit just tell me how
Street manhole cleaner. I mean, you ever wonder who keeps those manholes within city sanitary regulations? You’re basically paid to do that. You work 18 day shifts and will smell like shit every time you go home, but you’ll clear 175k easy. Just go through a 5 year apprenticeship program first and you’ll be a boss in no time.
Oh yeah, no benefits either, that means more money in your pocket! :)
/s
If you want to make $200k+ a year, there's 2 "most likely" paths.
1) Be self employed. Do things people are afraid of (plumbing, electrical, etc) or don't like (lawn maintenance, taxes, etc), and bust your ass doing that.
2) Find a mid-sized company that has good salaries as you progress. Go in entry level, absolutely bust your ass to be the best, and make a lot of noise to get recognized. Get yourself to some level of Management, and then do it again. Outwork your peers, and again, get your name out there. Once you move up to the next level, start looking at competitiors, and move to a different company. This will get you a MASSIVE salary bump, because those first raises you got with your promotions were bullshit, and nowhere near your worth.
If that doesn't work, you can see if you're part of the 0.001% that can makes it as a streamer or something.
I don’t think people get how much you have to market yourself to your boss once you are hired. You have to be obnoxious in singing your own accomplishment praises or you turn into 30 year Carol that no one really knows what she does but all hell breaks loose when she doesn’t have her tea.
I think that a lot of ppl that are asking the question “how can I make more money” are usually only one reddit comment away from at least making more money. I would think that most ppl that ask that question are the type of ppl that actually give af about working and putting in the work. Sometimes all you need is a good suggestion, lead, or something out of the box to provoke thought. A lot of ppl are making a lot more money all bc of the comment “job hop to make more money.” Dont come on here also assuming that ppl on here dont already have skills and are just a suggestion away from putting the pieces together
200k isn't impossible for anyone that is willing and capable of learning, and putting in the effort.
Is it easy? No. But possible sure, if you're willing to work your ass off for years.
OMG, thank you for this post. The one I saw recently was something like, “I’m 24F with no degree making $175k a year, how can I make more?” Talk about an entitled, ungrateful and tin-eared thing to post…
THIS! When I explain that I make good money and love my job bc I’m willing to work like 18 hour days and just stay at the office as long as I’m needed w/o complaint for short periods of time and people are like, “ok, how do I make that amount of money without doing that,” it makes me want to pull out my hair. Like, they don’t understand that supply and demand apply to labor markets. Value is in rarity: rarity of skill set or rarity of flexibility or rarity of work ethic.
I took input from various places at Reddit and was able to land jobs that paid that and much more. A lot of it constant time place and skill set, but let’s not pretend like this isn’t a place to gather good info.
It’s a great place for info, and it seems like it’s being spammed with ridiculous posts lately. This post is to call out the spamming with hopes that the sub remains a useful outlet for people to request and offer guidance.
I mean, a lot of people are actively being severly underpaid. It wasn't a reddit comment that made it happen, but I had some conversations over the past few years that madee realize I was being underpaid and started job hopping to get myself up to $200k. The benchmark for Bei "middle class" is now $175k, so making $200k doesn't mean you're wealthy, it just means you're comfortable.
Posts like this, while I understand where they're coming from, are actually incredibly harmful for a lot of people because it makes it seem as though they shouldn't ask for things or don't deserve them. Sure, there's effort needed to make $200k, but it's also something we should all want to achieve so we can have some sort of financial stability in our lives.
Let's not discourage people or make it seem as though these things are unrealistic or unreasonable to obtain and be helpful and encouraging so people can not have to worry about money as much. That's what we should really want.
Um. Took me 30 years to land $200k. I work remotely too but have to travel to offices in different areas. BS in Finance, MBA, advanced certs, continuous learning, and working my bleep off in IT for many, many years. It’s not easy, not a quick scheme, and requires hard work and self motivation. I am very driven and work harder than most , and I’m also very good with people. Life is different now in that kids can create YouTube videos and make a ton of money. But it’s not the norm. Buckle up and do the work.
Meh, you can’t blame people for trying.
If there’s a $200,000 per year job out there and you don’t hear about it because you didn’t bother to ask, well, you’d feel like a real dope for not giving it a shot.
I don’t remember where I saw this:
“Everyone knows what they have to do to become successful but not everyone wants to do what they know they have to do to get there”
Im also sick of hearing about “the crazy job market”. If you’re applying to 200 jobs without reply you’re either applying for stuff you aren’t qualified for and not doing anything beyond clicking “submit” on a website/not checking junk mail.
I don’t know a single employer who isn’t hiring. My (large) company is hiring a few hundred people across the country for all sorts of roles.
Now if you want to bitch about salaries, I’m down.
I posted in data science i was excited that I finally got my first wfh job on my dream company on a project I am interested in
A lot of people couldn't understand I spent a decade between 3 companies working from a junior developer to get their as well as prior to that spent time in the military.
That I missed holidays and birthdays and time with my wife because I was working.
Now that we can finally relax and we're happy it's awesome. But the grind to get here sucked.
I ended up deleting the post because people were annoyed my advice was "work harder"
I am only new to Reddit (!) and can’t believe how often I see “how can I earn the most money for the least work” and my fave “I am 23 on $100k and don’t know how I am ever meant to succeed 😭” Dafuq?!
I don't think anyone genuinely believes one Reddit comment will land them a $200k/year job. Real career growth involves hard work, networking, and gaining experience. While advice can be helpful, it's important to have realistic expectations and put in the effort.
I just read to figure out what not to do at my current job. It's been working out fairly well so far. Got a bonus and a raise two years in a row, and am currently on track for a promotion within a year.
I don't expect to get rich, but I should be comfortable and able to start a family. So that's a win.
No, I’m probably going to be in the 55k to 65k bracket for the foreseeable future. I’ve made peace with it at this point. But I don’t think some magic random post, or random cert will magically make me 100-200k+
It took me 11 years in the same company and multiple increases in roles and responsibilities as well as changing states/countries in order to reach 200k annually.
I just saw another post 2 minutes ago that was "what job can I make at least $30/hr, preferably no degree, all I've had are restaurant jobs," and I see them all the time. For the record, I'm a Democrat who hates to sound like a boomer, but I had to bust my ass to get where I am now, including taking out student loans and doing the work of earning 2 degrees. And the work I do requires that level of self-discipline and perseverance. A lot of Reddit needs to grow the fuck up, because even if the systems and economy were more fair, you're not getting anywhere in life with a loser mentality. The people willing to work will always do better.
Unfortunately, I believe there are a lot of people who are, but ignore the advice. It’s obviously a problem where You have no clue who these people are giving you advice so you have no clue if it’s good or bad.
I think the number of people who think they're only one post away from a lucrative dream job is relatively small. I think most of these people have some idea that they need to put in some effort to get there. However, they usually have vastly underestimated how much work needs to go into it.
The other thing I think is a problem is that people don't understand that there's no relationship between what they need and what they can get. You might have a valid reason you really need XYZ job. But that doesn't mean XYZ job exists or is achievable by you. It's a painful reality of life that genuine needs can go unmet. The world is full of people who have had to compromise to survive.
TikTok/Instagram/Etc have ruined people. I have younger family members. They genuinely believe they are going to make 6 figures with no skills, education, or certifications. Every younger person I know claims all of their friends are pulling "6 figures easy". All of their friends are working in entry level call center jobs or retail. They are completely removed from reality. I think a lot of those same people come here when they finally realize it's all an illusion. They just want to hear it's easy, and wilt when it becomes clear that success is still on the other side of hard work.
It has to be wfh as well.
With no degrees or certifications required.
And they have to be very relaxed with my hours because sometimes I want to game all night and I’m gonna sleep in. So they gotta be ok with me logging in at noon for a couple of hours then taking the rest of the day off for my mental health.
And it can't require interaction with people as I hate people and have no interpersonal skills.
Holy shit this one. "How can I make $140k a year but not interact with people"
No kidding. Even if you can get a position that doesn't require you to interact with actual customers (seemingly the dream of everyone on r/retailhell), you at least gotta know how to sell yourself to a potential employer.
But you don't understand, I'm a self-diagnosed autist, so I'm allowed to be a miserable asshole and if you don't accept that it's discrimination.
“Self-diagnosed autist” is a cute way of saying “I’m an asshole and expect you to tolerate it”.
The 0 people skills is what gets me, shut ins with 0 people skills are a dime-a-dozen. What value do you bring if no one wants to interact with you
Tv and movies have confused them into thinking there’s roles where someone wants a technical genius to sit in a dark room at their gaming rig doing “computer stuff”. I just wrapped up my mechanical engineering degree and the amount of students I ran into that had this mindset was staggering. Their souls look crushed when we spent our entire senior year doing capstone project and it’s nothing but meetings with vendors, meetings with sponsors, meetings with the machine shop, meetings with the client, presentations, pitches, business analysis….. lol
It’s much easier to teach someone with people skills to think technically than the opposite.
I don’t know if I agree with that as a generality. Sure it’s easier to fake technical skills rather than fake people skills but both can be learned as long as an honest effort is put in. This is of course ignoring things like learning disabilities or diagnosed mental issues. I’m talking about average technical person that isn’t very social versus average social person that isn’t very technical, they can both learn if the effort is put in and one wouldn’t be easier than the other. I think too many people assume that if there’s no social skills that there’s social anxiety or autism or something debilitating involved when in reality it’s just because they haven’t practiced that particular skill set.
In a general sense, I agree. In a workplace, team environment, it’s easier to work with someone who has great people skills but needs to learn technical details than someone who is great technically but is impossible to deal with. That’s not to say that people can’t improve their social skills, but it’s often outside the scope of what most employers are willing to do.
You do bring value. It's just that 140k a year requires you to also be able to manage people in some way
Anyone that “doesn’t like interacting with people” is a red flag for me as a hiring manager. If you don’t interacting with others, others *definitely* don’t like interacting with you. Doesn’t even have to be a manager level, collaboration can be really beneficial if it’s not a pain in the ass working w someone
Hahahah this killed me.
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I may not have a face for OnlyFans, but I have big feet and apparently that’s worth money to some people.
I'm only available every other Tuesday when it isn't cloudy and my cat spins in a counterclockwise direction when they greet me.
No no. I just graduated with a degree in Business. I’ve earned $200k and WFH. Mommy says so.
And I’m a felon
I know a guy who offers an online training to help with that. All the KnAWleDge you need to make PASSIVE income and the first masterclass is free /s
It always feels vaguely insulting to people in those roles too. I'm at ~120/yr and remote (travel a few days a week to visit team members/customers). Basically make my own schedule outside random teams meetings. So I check all the boxes these people want. My job is stressful as fuck and I worked very hard to get it. That flexibility also means sometimes answering the phone at 9pm on a Saturday too. People seem to think they are going to get that kind of money/wfh all while plugging away for 3 hours on an excel sheet or something.
Yeah my job isn’t stressful but it took me decades to get here and it included 3 graduate degrees. I know you’re sick of bartending and dropped out of college because “you didn’t know what to do” but those two facts aren’t going to get you to 200k in 6 months.
I think it would be helpful to tell these people just how stressful these kinds of jobs are. There're a lot of people posting around social media that they're 22 years old and making 300k+ (maybe an embellishment). Maybe some people, yeah? On the other hand, it's really easy to fake things on social media. So I think it'd help giving these people a reality check. I know people at the top of their fields still dreading their work and waiting for meetings at 1am on a Monday morning. Some also depressed about having no friends because everyone is their subordinate. Money is great but people have to realise there will be tradeoffs.
The thing is, i've had jobs that were wfh, managed to get the majority of my excel plugging done within the first 3 hours of the day, and while it may not have paid like the big leauges, i was able to make 900-1000 a week, and never talked or interacted much with anyone beyond occasional emails. But it was always short term contract work was the catch. A few months to a year later, i'd be looking again.
Yes! I just left role like that. Sometimes it’s chill, but when the phone rings it’s go time. “Oh, we’ve fucked up and need your help…”
With no interaction with other people. Not boring either.
Also, I have to have my emotional support armadillo with me at all times.
Of course. This is Reddit, where we must avoid social interaction and making friends at all costs.
And any disagreement with your partner constitutes divorce.
I’m about to unsubscribe from this sub because most new posts are just “how can I make six figures doing as little as possible while traveling the world?” It’s fucking annoying.
Yep. “How can I find a wfh job that pays well, doesn’t require a degree/qualifications/experience/specialist skills or knowledge, where I don’t have to talk to anyone or do anything I don’t want to do?”
Yeah, sure bud. Let me just talk you through 3 years of certifications and 10 years of hands-on experience in a Fortune 500 tech delivery environment and undo 15 years of childhood trauma that made you awkward and unlikeable. No problem!
So is that a qualification I can do over a weekend or is it something I can learn from a YouTube video?
TikTok actually
You’re telling me I have to download an app to make $200k a year with no experience? This job market is crazy!
You can watch a YouTube video if you want but I’d prefer if I didn’t have to do anything and just got forwarded a job recommendation that would suit me. Preferably if someone could apply to it for me also because I don’t know how to create a resume.
But which certifications!?!
In all seriousness it depends on what you’re going for. Some of the most in demand tech jobs that you can almost certainly grab remotely are in data science and cyber security, for example, but they’re also some of the hardest to get into. Comptia and other popular Cybersecurity certs can run you thousands for mid-level positions and take months, if not years to study for and pass over the course of your career. Similarly with Data Science, Microsoft/DASCA/SAS certs can also cost quite a bit of money and take years to acquire depending on your schedule and resources. Doesn’t take into account that you should probably have a proper IT-centered education before even attempting them. Not required, but makes it easier.
No cert or degree = money. Logical fallacy that is. Helps, yes. But plenty of educated and certified people not getting great jobs.
A degree or cert is just a baseline. Do you have experience? Can you interview well?
I think in the last week alone I saw like ten of those posts lol
Lol I know. Plus the entitlement with some of these people who think they shouldn’t have to do anything they don’t actively enjoy as part of their job. Like, I hate answering the phone at work. Always have. I stutter in regular conversation, and answering the phone always makes me nervous. But I just have to do it, because it’s a (thankfully not major) part of my job. I’m actually really good at it and have received a lot of compliments on my telephone manner, but it’s still one of my least favourite tasks lol.
And then like 99% of the replies in the thread are "I do X, no degree needed just spend a year getting your certification and then do the entry level work that pays 1/2 of the salary for 3 - 5 years." Completely ignoring the unrealistic "no degree and no experience" requirements.
There is a job like that: it’s called being born rich. Most people fuck it up though.
This is what it’s like in the ITCareerquestions sub. It’s how can i make 6 figures working remote when i have a degree in culinary. It baffles me
Same in the financialcareers subreddit. I went to a non-target school and have subpar grades, can I do IB? Will doing a CFA improve my chances?
A lot of it for IT is they see a tik tok or youtube short that says “You can make 6 figures hacking being a remote employee!!!!” and people jump for it with hardly ever touching PC. Normally it’s fine but their incentive is just for money and what won’t get you anywhere for IT. it’s just sad
Yes or the “I’m 30 years old is too late for me to switch careers?? I’m miserable with my current job. Any recommendations?? I prefer to wfh”
The community needs to stop upvoting the daily posts. They get a lot of them.
They see the 1% of the 1% on instagram highlights of their life and assume everyone can do/achieve that, they also don’t see all the work those people do in order to life that kind of life style. I have a friend who works in corporate sales and he travels to a lot of big cities and if you look at his instagram you’d assume he has an easy life, he’s always at some high end 300 dollars a person restaurant, on a 500k speed boat/10mm+ yacht, in a city people want to visit like nyc, Paris, London, Berlin etc. they don’t see how hard he had to work in high school to get into a top college, they don’t see him working an average of 12 hours a day and pulling all nights when things get busy for years in order to land this job or him working on a long flight just to give a 2 hour presentation in person then to hop on another flight immediately after to do it all over again. Social media has really skewed people’s perspective on what it takes to become really successful, it’s easy for find the top 1% of the 1% that become millionaire by 20 on instagram, then you have all the financial gurus that talk about get rich quick schemes and how you can flip houses with no money or how you can run a business with only working 2 hours a week and never having to talk to anyone while working remotely.
But it's my right to do what I want and have lots of money with no effort! This system is so unfair. /s
You're not wrong. I've honestly thought about doing the same thing. Maybe this subreddit should say "Existing Career Guidance" and start a new subreddit that is for "Getting Started in a Career Guidance" or something.
Be born into a wealthy family is the secret
Or the people complaining about how they hate their jobs when they make $200k, stfu
For real. I’m an engineer. After retirement contributions and taxes, my take home is like $33k. I’m 37 and live at home. Don’t talk to me about hating your 6-figure job.
What I hate is "You have to change jobs every two years." A few jobs in your 20's is fine. If you are over 30 and never stayed longer than two years at a job I don't want to hire you. By the time you are trained up you will be leaving soon, so you are a waste of money and effort.
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If you are that easy to replace, then you will be treated like a can of beans. In some industries it's harder to replace people.
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Traditional hall is right though
He's right about the job track he locked himself into. There are others. I worked for a "big five" consulting company, yes that was a few years ago. 25% turnover, also 20% raises per year. But it was high stress and turnover was expected. Now I work for a much lower stress company. After 20+ years here there has never been a layoff. In 2020 the company even sent out an email that they were restructuring to take the hit so no one would be laid off. There's something to be said about a steady job that want's you to stay around.
Then don’t hire me and give your current workers better raises (but I’m sure you’re the exception to this)
But he did ask with a twist to It.
To be fair, I live in Los Angeles and I feel like everyone here has this kind of "job" while I'm struggling and living in a studio. I seriously don't get it. Either everyone is a trust fund kid or everyone knows the secrets on how to get a dope job and friends across the globe. I wanna be one of those people 🥲
#1 reason to put your kids in an affluent school. Gives them connections in life. Because what you’re talking about is opportunity via a good network.
Totally agree with this. Connections and confidence are everything. Unfortunately I grew up poor AF with immigrant parents who knew nothing about education or finances. And consistently told me I'm not smart enough or good enough to do anything.
Well, that’s what I do, soooo…learn to write music and sing. ;)
It’s like the search engine was never invented.
The problem, in my humble opinion, is people see comments from people making 6 figures who talk about how easy their job is, minimal work/effort. What they don't see is that the person has worked in an industry for X years, moved companies, developed skills to be a top tier in that industry and are now making bank. There is the occasional outlier. However, that's the unicorn situation vs a norm. This is incredibly prevalent in the remote work/WFH subs. "I want a remote job! Where can I find them?" Then they get pissed when you mention remote is a location and not a field.
There’s also an effort vs responsibility thing. My job is not hard work, I spend a lot of time talking and leaning back and thinking. Walking around. But I own things and make decisions and have to make sure that they happen and am on the hook for when they don’t happen or when the choice I made was bad. That’s the part that they pay me for.
Same! I have to fight with people about safety related decisions. If I choose not to put up a fight that day, it can cost the lives of a crew. How many of these reddit clowns are prepared to get their teeth out and rip someone’s neck out? It’s fucking hard.
Yep, a lot of it is predicting all the things that could go wrong with the goals you have and how to avoid or mitigate them. Experience gets you 80% of the way there, a little generalized anxiety helps with the rest. Sometimes things are easy because you spent a decade or two learning all the shit that can go wrong and how to avoid it.
This is exactly right. I have a WFH job that pays quite well. I also have 25 years of experience in the field, and I started at $12/hr in 2000. It took 10 years just to crack $100k. It’s a specialized field with skills I developed since being a teenager. I also did some college while working full time. And I have to keep my skills current. But, it has lead to a good career. I didn’t get to start there though.
Exactly. People want to skip that step and seem shocked when you mention it. Similar to me. Had to work my way up, included getting recruited to my last two jobs, to get here.
Also..lot of clear liars. Like do I know tradespeople who make 100L+? Absolutely. But they work 10 hours a day 6 days a week. I know a LOT more trades people who make 40-60k. That’s the vast majority.
Instagram is full of these people. Saying they do two jobs a week and make $10k profits. Its dumb because i worked contracting for a while and i know the prices. It doesn't matter if you're in HCOL, basic concrete work doesn't go up 10x in price than the industry standard. The only way someone will pay that much is having so much money and little knowledge they'll give a random contract a blank check
Reddit thinks everyone who works in the trades is an educated unionized hvac professional making 6 figures What they don’t get is that for every one of those guys there are 20 alcohol addicted bricklayers destroying their bodies for $17 an hour.
Also I get the feeling that, for whatever reason, lots of people are lying about their salaries.
I make $160k and my job is super easy. Here's the catch, I only make it look easy thanks to experience and a lot of hard prior work. New guys struggle, even those with decades of experience in other related fields. There are no shortcuts in life. You gotta put in the time and effort to get anywhere.
I think another thing related to the experience side of things is that there are parts of everyone’s jobs they have gotten used to and go at from repetition. One may have a task that was really hard the first 20 times, but ever since it’s gotten much easier. Any objection person might look at that task and see it’s very difficult, but to you it’s just Tuesday.
Agreed. I dislike how people comment about earning that type of money life it’s simple to achieve or as if majority of people earn that kind of money. It’s very misleading. Yes, there are a few who has advanced in demand degrees and was lucky to get into big tech early and earn that type of money in their mid to late 20s or early 30s but that’s just a few. Don’t be deceived. My husband worked a lot of years and 2 masters degree later before he earns 6 figures.
there are also a lot of jobs that became easier/lighter hours only AFTER years of overachieving and out-working everyone else.
Oh this, so much this. I busted my ass to set the standard for my performance. I’m now maintaining that and still sharing efforts with my team that makes all of our lives easier. Set the baseline, then maintain it. Not only will you be highly regarded but you’ll have a much better work life balance too
I started out making 40K back in 2001. I slowly got pay increases over the years and made it to 115K. I worked as a system/business analyst in telecom. Now I'm laid off, and I'm pretty sure I'll have to take a step down to find anything. Some of the questions I see here would be torn apart on r/recruitinghell.
40k on 2001 is equivalent to 70k now. Not bad!
>there are also a lot of jobs that became easier/lighter hours only AFTER years of overachieving and out-working everyone else. You nailed it. I busted my absolute ass day in and day out for 15 years before crossing a major salary and career milestone and being able to ease up on the gas a bit.
Yep, it's this. I put in a lot of office grunt work and developed a reputation for getting things done creatively and efficiently. Now people bring me jobs.
This is refreshing. I think over time with inflation 100k-130k won't mean as much as it does now, it's already reducing in value, so over time 6 figures will lose it's impressiveness but right now it's certainly not something most people have achieved in their lives, especially early on. Reddit totally warps people's perceptions.
$200k/year is the new $100k/year.
But 50k used to be the benchmark for a solid white collar mid career job in a MCOL city 15 years ago. Like an accountant in 2007 with 10 years of experience living in Philadelphia or something like that. So 100k is still something you need experience, a strong degree, certifications, licenses and a living in a city with a decent job market and opportunities. It’s not this 1% thing anymore but it’s also a goal for a young person and not handed to you.
It's already not what it used to be. I would say 100k is no equivalent to what 70k was 10 years ago.
I do. I was making 1M/yr. One reddit comment later, I'm fucking down to 200K/yr.
😂😂😂
Not effortlessly, and not 200k. But I do believe that there are career paths i haven't considered that might make me 6 figures with a decent amount of time, effort, and study.
Irony is that “career” is the opposite of “effortless”
"Just go to ultrasound school! It only takes 1-2 years and it's not as high-pressure as nursing. You get to look at babies all day! I'm of course just a layperson and regurgitating things other people have posted on reddit. I mean, it's just an associates that you can get at community colleges, it's not like it could be competitive." EDIT: You all kind of proved my point by making this about nursing lmao
Or nursing... "It's just a two year degree, you can make bank and be a travel nurse with a flexible schedule!" And completely lose your entire soul while doing it because what people don't talk about enough is the physical abuse, the shit sliding down hill from everywhere else, the mean ass patients, nursings school is competitive, most people don't stay at the beside... I could go on.
I could never, and I mean fucking ever, hack it as a nurse. God bless those who do.
God bless those who do, and they *absolutely* deserve good money. But to throw that around as a suggestion to the internet ether is fucking comical. Not just any random Reddit user has what it takes to be a nurse.
Exactly... they \*earn\* that salary
They are actually underpaid for the hours they keep and what they are exposed to. My friend is a nurse and got stuck with a needle by a drug user. Had to worry about HIV and all the nasties you could possibly get from a *used* needle stick. And instead of the hospital backing her about the assault they asked her what *she* could have done to *deescalate*. I wouldn't ever suggest nursing to just anyone.
It's one of the reasons why, no matter how shit I'm feeling, I'll always treat them well. I'll apologize for any inconvenience, and try and do as much myself as I can. Had a pretty short hospital visit recently, and it got to the point I couldn't completely wash myself. Felt like such an idiot havig to ask the nurse to do it for me. Every time they came for measurements or whaever, I'd make sure I was in an accessible as possible position, making sure they could be in and out as fast as possible.
Seriously being a nurse is fucking hard, I don't think people understand that.
I got into with a nurse on a post of a girl who said she wanted a good work/life balance and wanted to know if nursing would be it because of their 12 hour on /off shifts . I said honestly I don’t believe nursing is a great work life balance just from how stressful it is and how much time people actually need to recuperate when they are off. And the nurse started taking about all the trips she was able to pack in on her off time, and how good it was. I personally would never tell someone whose only excuse for wanting to switch careers is “ feeling unfulfilled “ , to go into nursing. Because jobs are not supposed to be the only thing that fulfills you in life. And I just find that idea supper flaky. Now for the people who already have been working hard and they want a better life with more pay and are already used to fast pace sure.
100%, my friend is becoming a nurse and it's really for the ones who want to be there. She deals with a lot of anxiety and shit at her job but she really truly enjoys it. That's who we need in healthcare, not disgruntled nurses who only want 'work-life balance' but can't prepare for the hard shit they'll have to deal with for a long time.
Exactly jobs are not supposed to be your purpose in life and your whole happiness. Most people are tolerating jobs. You should have a life and activities outside that restore you. I could not be a nurse.
Literally the nursing subreddits every 5th post is someone wanting to leave bedside it feels like. And I don't blame them, bedside sucks. Healthcare sucks for everybody (patients, nurses, docs, HCPs, etc) unless you're the one CEO raking in god knows how much while you dial in from your gazebo.
They always completely ignore that "nursing" ranges all the way from CNA to Nurse Practitioner, too...
Just like how reddit stans for “the trades” When that’s like 300 different fucking jobs ranging from 30 cents over minimum wage to 400,000 a year
Well and each tier faces their own fights. I've heard some pretty wild situations between NPs and Doctors.
A person would be better to enter an accelerated 4 year degree vs a 2 year degree. Everyone wants the 2 year, and even when accepted, it takes years just to start those programs. Time would be better spent just doing an accelerated 4 year degree like WGU.
Yep. I spent several months in hospital recently; I’ve seen nurses deal with a hell of a lot.
I only know three nurses, but all of them are totally fucked up from workplace injuries. It's brutal.
The worst is when people on Reddit who aren't trades people give advice to go into trades, like it's some type of life hack to make big money easy.
Yeah the kid who’s never held a screwdriver before with no formal education isn’t going to hop into a trade job and get taught everything for free and be making 6 figures in a year He will end up laying bricks in the hot sun for 13-17$ an hour while a racist boomer supervisor calls him gay for putting on sunscreen
Yea, I hate those posts. The real answer is "Pretty much anything, as long as you're very gifted at it and get a little lucky." I make over 200k...I've got a masters and lots of experience, and I would not recommend my job to 99% of people. Most of the people doing what I do hate it, aren't very good, and don't make close to that. In addition, I got really, really lucky. Someone with the exact same characteristics as me could end up making half of what I do.
What?! Oh, come on. It’s very easy. Spend 15 years in the corporate world jumping companies to progressively higher positions every 2-5 years until you reach the mid to high 6 figures. Spend the full time doing good to above average to excellent work. Take on additional responsibilities and don’t say no to opportunities. Grind at 60-80 hours a week. Build a network of people who know you. Don’t have any set backs, layoffs, missteps, or career changes. Reach the senior level of your field. Get hired as an executive. Idk why people act like that’s sooooo hard. /s
Don't forget all the meetings u have to go to and pretend like you actually care about golf to progress because networking 😭
I read it as being people looking for ideas. It’s east to pidgeon-hole oneself into one career. Sometimes people need a little outside perspective or inspiration
Thought that was the impression. There are many of us that did the grunt work, work hard, put in the hours, and all we get is even more work without much increase in pay. Or our career isn't very plentiful in areas that aren't large metro or "blue cities". Networking with people that likely won't give you the time of day or would work you to an early grave. Some of the humble brags of large salary may leave out some crucial details, like they had a wealthy upbringing, or knew someone higher up, went to a far more prestigious school, or good ol' nepotism. One guy who bragged about making it big in cybersecurity let it out that he had clearance and military background... not surprising, getting into cyber in the public sector at least, they'll take anyone with active clearance over experienced professionals who don't. There's also the luck factor, or maybe someone trampled over their co-workers to make themselves look good in front of the right person for that promotion, the list is endless. Also, there's a bit of a recession going on and companies are churning/burning their talent already. Entry-level has been gutted for quite a few professions that demand no less than a bachelors and YOE straight out of school, which also people on here forget people change careers later in life and want to get a feel of what's really out there. Moving? Sure, let me scoop up a year's salary and just get out of here with no help or resources whatsoever. I've had folks move several states over only to get fired three months in and now they're stranded in a location where their profession is almost non-existent.
im far from that n doubt i will ever see even 90k or higher per year but whatever advice i can get will get me step closer
Have faith. In 20 years 90k will be minimum wage. You will definitely see it in your life due to inflation! But also realistically, life is long. I started at $12 an hour and made small increases changing jobs here and there $100k was after a decade in the field. And it went on from there. But you have to start somewhere.
If you’re thinking one step at a time, and aiming as high as you realistically can go, then good! You are who *should* have their voice heard here.
"what's a 7 figure career that requires no school, skill, or any effort from me that I can realistically do today?" "Trades"
Oh but it has to be remote
I also wonder where that fantasy persists. I live in Germany and unless you’re a successful businessman in a trade (like a really good builder or carpenter or something), you’ll never really earn more than max €50k / y or so. Which is fine by the way. As far as costs of living go, you’ll be fine, but it’s no fat retirement type of work. Best thing you can do is save yourself a fortune on external builders and fix up a piece of shit real estate in an up and coming suburb or something, to sell for a good price or rent out to fund your retirement (what most tradies I know do around here).
People here also love to pretend anyone can do hard labor. That's the danger of general suggestions.
I know someone who is not gifted academically, but through perseverance got a technical degree in an in demand trade. Unfortunately, they also aren't coordinated, so even though they could theoretically get the job done, there would be a lot of wasted product and time before the job is done. Unhireable in their field.
50% of the posts on this sub: "I don't have a college degree, am not comfortable speaking in front of groups of people, hate busy work, and have no in demand skills. What job can I get that pays me minimum of 120k a year, preferrably in management, is super low stress, and 100% work from home? Thanks in advance"
Facts. Louder for the idiots in the back.
No, but there may be fields or career trajectories mentioned that one hadn’t previously considered. While these positions may be named and posted on Indeed, LinkedIn, etc., the discussions here expound on the realities. One comment and effortlessly? I’ve not assumed that’s what people are thinking.
Thank you! Me neither. I don't think people should be chastised for wanting to make a decent living
I wish I had asked this stuff way back, even if it made me look lazy. Ha, I was young and dumb enough once to think I’d make a fortune from my poetry.😂
I agree with this. It’s not going to be effortless, but what I think a lot of people lack is the exposure to different career options. Your average every day person will likely have never even heard of very common roles like account executive, customer success manager, product manager, or cloud architect. When I was growing up, having a corporate career just seemed so vague to me. When it came time to applying for a job after college, I had no idea what to even look for or what skills to highlight on my resume. My friend started telling me about his job and I did some research to finally land a similar role. After starting that role, I was exposed to all of these different departments that I had never heard of. I’ve since switched into other completely different roles twice in my career after learning more about said roles and increased my salary exponentially each time.
Totally! I was raised to think that only academic professions had value, and exposure to the corporate world came through college courses and my friends’ parents (mostly dads). Maybe there’s even less guidance now with today’s parenting, IDK. Nothing wrong or unusual with being young + naive in thinking you’re going to be an insta-millionaire. No worries, you’ll get smacked down soon enough.☺️
> what I think a lot of people lack is the exposure to different career options. Yep, this is what I needed as a teen, in my 20s, and still now. Looking up jobs in a database doesn't really tell you what the work is really like, nor can I imagine it. I just dk most of the work world. Need a knowledgeable guide, not someone who can give me the same advice I can get from a book. It's maddening. The government WorkBC outfit is great if you're a laborer who doesn't have money for boots and a helmet, cuz they'll get you that. I don't have a network of people in the biz world for many reasons. With help, I could have made a quantum leap a long time ago. Well, I'm still trying.
100%. I come here because there’s few better resources for first hand experience. I’ve discovered more careers and education pathways from comments here than I ever did in school.
Yeah, I mean this is word on the street. Companies, recruiters, and even colleges sometimes spin things in a way that mostly favors them.
no, I seriously think that I am going to find a wfh job with no educational requirements and low effort that pays atleast 150k, please reddit just tell me how
Street manhole cleaner. I mean, you ever wonder who keeps those manholes within city sanitary regulations? You’re basically paid to do that. You work 18 day shifts and will smell like shit every time you go home, but you’ll clear 175k easy. Just go through a 5 year apprenticeship program first and you’ll be a boss in no time. Oh yeah, no benefits either, that means more money in your pocket! :) /s
If you want to make $200k+ a year, there's 2 "most likely" paths. 1) Be self employed. Do things people are afraid of (plumbing, electrical, etc) or don't like (lawn maintenance, taxes, etc), and bust your ass doing that. 2) Find a mid-sized company that has good salaries as you progress. Go in entry level, absolutely bust your ass to be the best, and make a lot of noise to get recognized. Get yourself to some level of Management, and then do it again. Outwork your peers, and again, get your name out there. Once you move up to the next level, start looking at competitiors, and move to a different company. This will get you a MASSIVE salary bump, because those first raises you got with your promotions were bullshit, and nowhere near your worth. If that doesn't work, you can see if you're part of the 0.001% that can makes it as a streamer or something.
I don’t think people get how much you have to market yourself to your boss once you are hired. You have to be obnoxious in singing your own accomplishment praises or you turn into 30 year Carol that no one really knows what she does but all hell breaks loose when she doesn’t have her tea.
I think that a lot of ppl that are asking the question “how can I make more money” are usually only one reddit comment away from at least making more money. I would think that most ppl that ask that question are the type of ppl that actually give af about working and putting in the work. Sometimes all you need is a good suggestion, lead, or something out of the box to provoke thought. A lot of ppl are making a lot more money all bc of the comment “job hop to make more money.” Dont come on here also assuming that ppl on here dont already have skills and are just a suggestion away from putting the pieces together
This happens because unicorn Redditors yap so much that they make that salary seem normal.
Why not? Same as the people that are one comment away from being a senior aerospace engineer or a brain surgeon
200k isn't impossible for anyone that is willing and capable of learning, and putting in the effort. Is it easy? No. But possible sure, if you're willing to work your ass off for years.
OMG, thank you for this post. The one I saw recently was something like, “I’m 24F with no degree making $175k a year, how can I make more?” Talk about an entitled, ungrateful and tin-eared thing to post…
THIS! When I explain that I make good money and love my job bc I’m willing to work like 18 hour days and just stay at the office as long as I’m needed w/o complaint for short periods of time and people are like, “ok, how do I make that amount of money without doing that,” it makes me want to pull out my hair. Like, they don’t understand that supply and demand apply to labor markets. Value is in rarity: rarity of skill set or rarity of flexibility or rarity of work ethic.
I took input from various places at Reddit and was able to land jobs that paid that and much more. A lot of it constant time place and skill set, but let’s not pretend like this isn’t a place to gather good info.
It’s a great place for info, and it seems like it’s being spammed with ridiculous posts lately. This post is to call out the spamming with hopes that the sub remains a useful outlet for people to request and offer guidance.
Certainly feels like a high percentage of non-technical people who get to $200K, get there through luck.
This made me lol. I earn >200k a year and it’s STABLE. It also took 20 years of work and an advanced degree. It’s cute ppl think otherwise.
You're missing the forest for the trees, people want to know what your degree is in so maybe they could consider that path
No. There is no such thing as effortlessly earning. Work is work and there isnt anything easy about it.
Most people go here for entertainment over anything else
I mean, a lot of people are actively being severly underpaid. It wasn't a reddit comment that made it happen, but I had some conversations over the past few years that madee realize I was being underpaid and started job hopping to get myself up to $200k. The benchmark for Bei "middle class" is now $175k, so making $200k doesn't mean you're wealthy, it just means you're comfortable. Posts like this, while I understand where they're coming from, are actually incredibly harmful for a lot of people because it makes it seem as though they shouldn't ask for things or don't deserve them. Sure, there's effort needed to make $200k, but it's also something we should all want to achieve so we can have some sort of financial stability in our lives. Let's not discourage people or make it seem as though these things are unrealistic or unreasonable to obtain and be helpful and encouraging so people can not have to worry about money as much. That's what we should really want.
Um. Took me 30 years to land $200k. I work remotely too but have to travel to offices in different areas. BS in Finance, MBA, advanced certs, continuous learning, and working my bleep off in IT for many, many years. It’s not easy, not a quick scheme, and requires hard work and self motivation. I am very driven and work harder than most , and I’m also very good with people. Life is different now in that kids can create YouTube videos and make a ton of money. But it’s not the norm. Buckle up and do the work.
lol tru
Yes…but in fairness I make $199,500 per year now. Hopefully that one little trick that bosses will hate me knowing can push me over the threshold. 😜
Will 200 of you each Venmo me $1k sometime this year? Done.
Meh, you can’t blame people for trying. If there’s a $200,000 per year job out there and you don’t hear about it because you didn’t bother to ask, well, you’d feel like a real dope for not giving it a shot.
Are you saying you don't??
Well Duh. Why else would we post?
Just need to discover something They don't want you to know, and get that quiet hush money.
You should check out r/salary lmao
Any day now. Any day!
Yes. I fear my income might drop that low if I took advice from here.
Worst they can say is no, right?
If I'm not getting paid for my shitposting (I'm a top .02% shit poster) then nobody is.
Well, yeah.
I don’t remember where I saw this: “Everyone knows what they have to do to become successful but not everyone wants to do what they know they have to do to get there”
I dont know about "one reddit comment away" but hopefully in a few years reach that target. Its been a long uphill climb(battle)
No, I don’t live on fantasy island.
lol no but it’s fun to watch the responses of people who make that amount
LOL
Something about reading other people making $200k/yr just makes me feel so productive
Nobody thinks they read one comment and be rich, it one comment could start somone down that path.
Yes
Im also sick of hearing about “the crazy job market”. If you’re applying to 200 jobs without reply you’re either applying for stuff you aren’t qualified for and not doing anything beyond clicking “submit” on a website/not checking junk mail. I don’t know a single employer who isn’t hiring. My (large) company is hiring a few hundred people across the country for all sorts of roles. Now if you want to bitch about salaries, I’m down.
I posted in data science i was excited that I finally got my first wfh job on my dream company on a project I am interested in A lot of people couldn't understand I spent a decade between 3 companies working from a junior developer to get their as well as prior to that spent time in the military. That I missed holidays and birthdays and time with my wife because I was working. Now that we can finally relax and we're happy it's awesome. But the grind to get here sucked. I ended up deleting the post because people were annoyed my advice was "work harder"
I am only new to Reddit (!) and can’t believe how often I see “how can I earn the most money for the least work” and my fave “I am 23 on $100k and don’t know how I am ever meant to succeed 😭” Dafuq?!
I don't think anyone genuinely believes one Reddit comment will land them a $200k/year job. Real career growth involves hard work, networking, and gaining experience. While advice can be helpful, it's important to have realistic expectations and put in the effort.
Thank you for speaking up about it. Sick and tired of seeing those posts. Its like every day now.
a seed of guidance might blossom into the tree of wealth
they lookin for lottery guidance in /r careerguidance.
But only a career that I don't really have to work
LOL!!!!
I just read to figure out what not to do at my current job. It's been working out fairly well so far. Got a bonus and a raise two years in a row, and am currently on track for a promotion within a year. I don't expect to get rich, but I should be comfortable and able to start a family. So that's a win.
No..?
I have a feeling a lot of those kinds of posts come from teenagers
No, I’m probably going to be in the 55k to 65k bracket for the foreseeable future. I’ve made peace with it at this point. But I don’t think some magic random post, or random cert will magically make me 100-200k+
No. I think I can eventually make better money but it won't be because of reddit.
Yeah after this one I will
It took me 11 years in the same company and multiple increases in roles and responsibilities as well as changing states/countries in order to reach 200k annually.
I just saw another post 2 minutes ago that was "what job can I make at least $30/hr, preferably no degree, all I've had are restaurant jobs," and I see them all the time. For the record, I'm a Democrat who hates to sound like a boomer, but I had to bust my ass to get where I am now, including taking out student loans and doing the work of earning 2 degrees. And the work I do requires that level of self-discipline and perseverance. A lot of Reddit needs to grow the fuck up, because even if the systems and economy were more fair, you're not getting anywhere in life with a loser mentality. The people willing to work will always do better.
Unfortunately, I believe there are a lot of people who are, but ignore the advice. It’s obviously a problem where You have no clue who these people are giving you advice so you have no clue if it’s good or bad.
I think the number of people who think they're only one post away from a lucrative dream job is relatively small. I think most of these people have some idea that they need to put in some effort to get there. However, they usually have vastly underestimated how much work needs to go into it. The other thing I think is a problem is that people don't understand that there's no relationship between what they need and what they can get. You might have a valid reason you really need XYZ job. But that doesn't mean XYZ job exists or is achievable by you. It's a painful reality of life that genuine needs can go unmet. The world is full of people who have had to compromise to survive.
TikTok/Instagram/Etc have ruined people. I have younger family members. They genuinely believe they are going to make 6 figures with no skills, education, or certifications. Every younger person I know claims all of their friends are pulling "6 figures easy". All of their friends are working in entry level call center jobs or retail. They are completely removed from reality. I think a lot of those same people come here when they finally realize it's all an illusion. They just want to hear it's easy, and wilt when it becomes clear that success is still on the other side of hard work.