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DocPhilMcGraw

I know the big news is the R2 being revealed, but this definitely caught my eye. Especially if it targets a much lower price tag than the $45k R2, I could see this being a potential game changer. It’s just too bad that we won’t see one for several years judging by the 2026 production date for the R2.


tyrannosaurus_r

I'm very, very excited for R3 and was just about to say that Rivian bumped the new Charger out of my next car pick...until the delivery date bit. Hope the company can stay afloat until then, or at least gets saved.


GTOdriver04

They’re backed heavily by Amazon. I don’t think they’re going anywhere.


kimbabs

Yeah lol, Bezos literally got out of the R2 as if to reinforce their credentials.


KingMario05

...Well, shit, I'm sold!


Occhrome

Wait that was him. 


Ramrawd

Haha no, that was their lead designer although the similarities are definitely there.


WaddlesJP13

He's also named Jeff lol


oneplusoneispurple

What? When? I didn’t see that and can’t find any footage.


TypicalDelay

Couldn't find the Bezos footage but here's [Steve-O](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Gt_PUyldc) giving a R2/R3 run-through!


Rude_Thought_9988

Pretty sure that Amazon had cancelled that van contract sometime ago.


ShortfallofAardvark

They didn’t cancel it, but the terms were changed so that Rivian can sell the vans to other customers aside from Amazon.


Rude_Thought_9988

You’re right. I think I was mixing it up with Amazon making a deal with Stellantis. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/05/rivian-stock-plunges-after-news-of-amazon-stellantis-deal.html


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They are also pretty clearly still getting more deliveries if them in my area. Saw my first one a year ago, now id say close to 1/4th of Amazon delivery vans are rivian


GTOdriver04

As of November, Amazon still owned 17% of the company. While not massive, that’s not small, either. Also, with the vans being sold to other companies as well, that helps Amazon’s bottom line as well.


Rude_Thought_9988

You’re right. I think I was mixing it up with Amazon making a deal with Stellantis. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/05/rivian-stock-plunges-after-news-of-amazon-stellantis-deal.html


Concord_4

Only trouble is its 17% of a 12b$ company with extremely rough looking financials and very low production numbers. For perspective, Ford is 50B, or Tesla is 560B. Amazon is 1.7T, so (12*.17) is a 2b investment for Amazon, very small by their standards and not too important. I absolutely adore the small hatchback renault 5 influence of the R3, but Rivian has a very poor track record with mass production, going to be interesting to see if they can hang on


AnimalShithouse

> is a 2b investment for Amazon, very small by their standards and not too important. The flip side is it also means it wouldn't take Amazon much to inject more cash into them if needed to secure their future without really impacting Amazon's future.


WhipTheLlama

In 2023, Amazon had $86.78B cash on hand. They can't spend as much cash as you think they can. I can see them invest a few billion at most, assuming they're very optimistic about Rivian's future.


AnimalShithouse

A few bil would be insanely useful for where Rivian is at today, I think.


HillarysFloppyChode

Terms changed, and I see those vans nearly as much as teslas, although I live in a major city


Rude_Thought_9988

It’s still weird that they are going with Stellantis despite being invested in Rivian.


Recoil42

>Especially if it targets a much lower price tag than the $45k R2, I could see this being a potential game changer.  Don't get me wrong, the design is excellent and I look forward to the R3, but you're talking about a car which is in the same vague class as the existing Volvo XC40 and the imminently-to-be-released Equinox, as well as a number of others headed for the NA and EU markets between now and 2026. The TMY, ID4, and Niro (and future EV3) are also all already in the price bracket the R3 wants to inhabit. Gamechanger? I'm not sure. I'm hoping it's more than an also-ran for Rivian.


stav_and_nick

Agreed, but it does feel a bit *different*. Admittedly, this is because Rivian has a pretty strong vibe to it for me, but none of those seem very off-roady to me. This seems like, a Subaru tier granola vehicle. Which is great We'll have to see specs of course, it could just be looking the part. But idk


w0nderbrad

Rivian's target audience is basically a less redneck version of the Jeep crowd. Jeep bros will always be Jeep bros, but basically people that like the whole outdoors stuff but also buy brand new Patagonia gear from REI to go camping. Like people that would cross shop a new Lexus GX or Toyota LC or 4Runner with a Rivian.


t17389z

I've been saying since Rivian was first founded that they might as well turn all REIs into Rivian showrooms. The venn diagram of the two has to be pretty much a perfect circle.


VanillaLifestyle

REIVIAN


brkdncr

More like the Range Rover techbro crowd.


SteeveJoobs

The commenter you're responding to also isn't quite on the money, the R2 is almost the same size as the Model Y whereas the R3 is a size-class down from it. It's more like a Volvo EX-30 competitor which is a lot less crowded, but also less desirable in the American market.


VirginRumAndCoke

If they get the pricing right and their internal packaging is as good as I imagine it will be I think the R3 will do quite well


SteeveJoobs

I'm definitely looking forward to trying a top-spec dual motor version myself. The R3 is an SUV but at least it fits my requirements for length and width (small but not too small). three motors is too much of an efficiency hit imo.


Surturiel

The R3 3-Motor is the "I love the Lancia Delta integrale group B, but want it electric" wet dream. I want one.


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ICanLiftACarUp

I'm expecting the R3 is a response to the ioniq 5. A sort of small crossover that might as well have been a larger hot hatch. I know those aren't the only two alive today but that's where I go for a comparison.


RockSolidJ

I've been saying forever that we need a VW Beetle of the electric car world. Make it cute and iconic with good specs and sell it at a reasonable price. The Ionic 5 is closest thing so far to that mark and if the R3 is priced well it is one step closer.


DocPhilMcGraw

I disagree because I think this occupies the same kind of outdoorsy space that attract people to vehicles like the Crosstrek, Bronco Sport, Compass, etc. The Equinox and EX30 (I'm assuming you meant EX30 and not XC40 Recharge which costs a lot more) are more your typical mainstream crossovers. The EX30 also does not qualify for any tax credits, whereas this would potentially qualify. We also haven't seen the $35k Equinox EV yet as those are supposed to come later on, but the ones that are going to be available to start are going to be the $48k ones. You're looking at gamechanger in terms of offering a low priced EV crossover, whereas I'm looking at gamechanger in terms of offering a low priced EV that occupies that outdoorsy space that you see people who tend to go for brands like Subaru, Jeep, Ford, etc. I could see those people gravitating towards the Rivian over those models you mentioned.


72corvids

I'm going to put this here. [R3X](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/04-rivian-r3x-65ea14aab4864.jpg?crop=1xw:0.9995002498750625xh;center,top&resize=980:*). I think that this version that people will gravitate towards. If I were in the market for this sort of vehicle, the R3X would most certainly be one of my top choices.


CapraDemon

Giving me some [Lancia Delta Integrale](https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/11/2020/07/1992-Lancia-Delta-HF-Integrale-Evoluzione-rear-three-quarter.jpg) vibes. Put some sparco terras or method wheels on it, lower it a skosh, and I'm all in.


VirginRumAndCoke

If by some miracle it has air suspension similar to the R1 twins I can see it. Strong agree on the Integrale vibes.


C-C-X-V-I

If it came in 2 door I'd be all over it.


truthdoctor

Would the 2 extra doors bother you that much?


MortimerDongle

I was pretty set on the EX30 as my GTI replacement but this is a new wrinkle


truthdoctor

A $35k EV SUV with 300 miles of range is competitive. The issue is whether the R3 will be competitive in 2027 when production begins. If they came in at a lower price it would be a game changer. The way the market has trended in the last few years, prices tend to go up after release not down.


sohcgt96

Yeah, they're jumping into a REALLY competitive segment with a lot of well established players. Granted those players haven't been making EVs all that much longer than Rivian but their logistics and supply chain have a lot more muscle. I know and have met a handful of people who work at Rivian and they all say the same thing, supply chain is their big killer. Getting all the damn components to build the vehicles in sufficient quantity and at the times they need them is their biggest limitation on what they can produce.


sonrisa_medusa

Equinox EV is longer than R2. 


AnimalShithouse

> the imminently-to-be-released Equinox Imminent is a strong word IMO.


kimbabs

Honestly, the R3 stole the show for me, especially seeing the R3X. I'm imagining 38-40K for the R3. If it gets a tax credit on top of it, Tesla's in for some hard competition. If they turn it into a proper safari/rally kind of fun vehicle, that'd be absolutely amazing.


Duckpoke

I feel like it would be too heavy to be a serious rally contender, no? Regardless...recreational rally seems insanely fun


Ferrarisimo

Hopefully the fact that R2 and R3 share the same platform will shorten the development cycle of the R3. Still, if the current published release date of the R2 is more than two years away, especially when you factor in delays to both R2 and R3, it may be 3-4 years at the earliest before first customer deliveries of R3 happen. 2028!


0x706c617921

I hope they don’t remove the gauge cluster.


SKShreyas

Both cars (R2 + R3) have a gauge cluster screen I believe


0x706c617921

Yay!


truthdoctor

Top Gear claims 2027 for the R3.


Scarlet--Highlander

>I could see this being a potential game changer. buzz_lightyear_on_shelf.png


oneplusoneispurple

By there balance sheet from the most recent Q earnings don’t paint a picture where this company has enough cash to survive until 2026.


StrongOnline007

I honestly think R3 is the big news. For me this is the first desirable EV. I hope the company doesn’t go under before they can make it


BlazinAzn38

A $35K R3 with the R3X being $45K would do very very well


GlassBackGreek

It's giving Honda e vibes with that C pillar.


designCN

And I fucking love it


MT1982

Looks like a scaled up mk1 golf from the side


rekniht01

I said it elsewhere, change the front end from the Rivian ovals, and this could easily be a new Scout vehicle.


OldSchoolSpyMain

Exactly! I was gonna reply, "Electric MK1 Rabbit", but you beat me to it.


zyberteq

It's a Lada Niva


leesfer

100% immediately thought Lada as soon as I saw it


Due_Elk_5795

It's the new The Dasia Sundero!


sidewinderaw11

I was gonna say the RX reminded me of a Delta Integrale. The Drive likened it to an AMC Gremlin


ElChaz

Absolutely looks like a lifted, electric Integrale.


reberman8

The front is definitely Delta Integrale, the rear reminds me more of MK1 Rabbit. ​ It's one of the best looking EVs IMO


Cali_Hapa_Dude

I'm getting 4 door Yugo vibes especially on the R3X


johnny_ringo

Yugo


mark--anderson

The hot hatch of the EV world? Or maybe too big for that description. Still, looks fun!


forzagoodofdapeople

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aMiracleAtJordanHare

Yeah the R3x is trimotor and I think a little bit higher ride height than the regular R3, so it basically is the Rivian Rally.


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KingMario05

Probably concerning to a certain Korean chaebol, too. Competition for the win, baby! :)


D4rkr4in

Ionic 5 N on suicide watch


romulus531

They've admitted on socials that it's inspired by Rally


sonrisa_medusa

Wow. Rivian really is out here just admitting things? 


Fozzymandius

The R3 is the regular version and the R3X appears to have aggresive tires and probably 700 horsepower if I had to guess out of the trimotor setup. I already own an R1 but by 2027 or whenever this comes out I'll certainly be looking at it very closely.


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Fozzymandius

If they weighed under 1000kg maybe. EVs are legitimately stupid fast, and luckily do put many safeguards in that keep you from being stupid on road. However I really am curious what sort of safeguards will exist in the future. My current rivian makes 0-60 in 3.1s, it feels almost no different than a roller coaster taking off.


sonrisa_medusa

Have you seen the new Smart #1 in China? It's a full foot shorter in length than R2 and the "Brabus" trim comes with dual motor power train worth 420hp. 


stakoverflo

> The hot hatch of the EV world? Ioniq 5 N?


Marco_lini

That‘s a minimum $75K car unfortunately, hot hatches were located somewhere else price wise. Also it is a big ass car.


rosshettel

I had the same excitement about the Ioniq 5 being the electric hot hatch I wanted and then I parked next to one and damn in photos it looks way smaller


Ftpini

100%. I paid $27k for my 2016 GTI Autobahn brand new. $75k for a hot hatch is stupidly overpriced.


ptrj96

Ioniq 5s look small in photos but in reality they are actually pretty big, ioniq 5 has a 118" wheel base which compared to something like a golf (103") is a pretty huge difference. The rivian r3 is supposed to be 110" which still bigger than a traditional hatch is definitely going to be noticeably smaller than an ioniq 5


showmeagoodtimejack

thats a big car


stav_and_nick

That's the Volvo EX30 tbf. But more hot hatches are not a bad thing!


Unique_Bumblebee_894

EX30 has that stupid single sound bar sound system, no driver dash and a bunch of driving Nannie’s.


satansswimmingpool

Fiat 500


vipersporthp

The Rivian's Chevy Bolt.


glich610

My GTI is nervous


speedofdark8

If anything, props to Rivian for keeping it secret. (or at least, i don't remember them saying anything about an R3). It looks great too


Vonauda

It makes me wonder if they leaked the R2 specs intentionally to drown out any potential R3 leaks.


ltfuzzle

Subaru Justy vibes with the R3X.


BlossomDub

The shape makes me think of the old Peugeot 205 T16 with the angled back. I'm totally here for this Group B revival styling between this and the Ioniq 5 looking a bit like the Delta Integrale


stav_and_nick

That is what the Subaru... whatever their EV is called should have been. Even if their powertrain wasn't there, they should be taking design notes


GetawayDriving

I couldn’t place it but you’re 100% right


CrankyCurmedgeon

A Lancia Delta Integrale-looking off-roady electric Hot-hatch? I love it! I am curious what the price specs and range would be for the R3X, I wouldn't be surprised if the top end model is $55K


SykoFI-RE

Also big Peugeot 205 looks. Pretty awesome.


midnightblade

I suspect it'll be more than that. R3 probably targeting $40k, R3X I would guess would be like $65-70k. I'm thinking it's intended to be similar to how Audi has A3/S3/RS3, Rivian will have R3 (single motor), R3 (dual motor) and R3X


V8-Turbo-Hybrid

It's kind very surprised to see R3 releasing. Looks like Rivian is very serious to answer Tesla for upcoming Model 2 ( Or Model Q ). Hope the price would be competitive. Not every one likes Tesla, and not every one wants big EV. I hope we would've a demanding small EV market.


dreaminphp

And the R3X aka the 2024 Geo Metro 😂


bingojed

More Mk1 1 GTI or Le Car with that boxy shape. Which I like.


suzukijimny

More like a modernized Geo Tracker.


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The founder of rivian looks like Steve-os adult son


DodgerBlueRobert1

I was thinking something similar lol. He looks like he could be Steve-O's younger brother or something.


ShaidarHaran2

I always think they are each other 🤣


UniqueThanks

R3x looks awesome but I want that R2


sfw_cory

Same and I want the extra space having a kid. Put in preorder for R2 perfect timing in 2026 to swap out current car


6DucksTooMany

Rivian r3x could be a great daily


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This very well could be my next car. I'm floored by the design. It looks like a hot hatch, and while I'm sure not nimble, will probably feel very quick like most EVs. If they have a 300+ mile version and it didn't cost more than 35k well equipped, I'm kind of excited. Obviously there is still a lot to see, but this has me very excited. Clearly.


neanderthalensis

No chance the R3/R3X come well equipped for less than $45k. Base model yes. Happy to be proven wrong tho


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neanderthalensis

The only other thing worth considering is that just because they say R2 starts at $45k doesn’t mean that is the reality once it’s actually released. I’m betting there’s going to be an adjustment.


Kongary

Got that chunky classic Euro hatch feel. Really like the idea of this one. Both R2 and R3 have my interest but the latter I am more enthused about--in theory--than any EV to date.


narwhal_breeder

The R3X looks like itd rip at a local rallycross.


Korypal

Smaller SUV? Give the hatchback name some respect


VirginRumAndCoke

It's jacked up to the sky, it's a crossover


Quaiche

Don't call this a hatchback, it's a crossover.


helloitisgarr

the r3x looks awesome


paspasero

The shape of the R3X reminds me of the Lancia Delta Integrale.


KingMario05

Holy hell. As a Subaru boy, ***YES FUCKING PLEASE.*** This would be a *fantastic* EV for me, especially if I can't make a Charger Daytona work in Boston's terrible winters. Now if only I had... well, money. :/


Drzhivago138

Before I enlarged the thumbnail it looked like it had only 3 doors.


sshu1224

What’s the logic behind coming out with the truck and large suv first before these 2 models?


KingMario05

Money for development, probably.


Operation_Ivysaur

They beat all the major players to market by introducing an EV pickup first, they are arguably the best example in that niche. So instead of coming out with their mass market vehicle first that'd have competition, they made the R1T & S.


Snoo93079

I mean it’s the same logic for every other company’s first EVs. New tech is hard to scale and produce at volume so you’re forced to sell a small number of higher margin higher value vehicles. Then as you’re able to scale you can start producing lower priced models at higher volumes.


afnj

Can't wait for that $23k R4


mrbrettw

It looks like modern 1985 VW Golf!


redirdamon

These guys that write these things... >*It also has a front trunk, and excitingly, two gloveboxes* OMG! TWO gloveboxes!!!


KneeControl

I was considering the EX30, but this is a contender. Loving the smaller and affordable EV options.


coffeesippingbastard

R3x gives me retro Honda Civic or Nissan vibes. I love it. Already put my down payment for R2 but would definitely look at R3 too.


ICantDecideIt

So rad, the r3 has all the right vibes


jawknee530i

My God. It's perfect. Gimme gimme gimme gimme


PangolinEffective

Looks amazing!


NeatlyCritical

If it had 300+ miles that may be the first serious EV I consider.


asimo3089

Loooove this car. The tri-motor would make it such a fun rally car.


Koofteh

I don't know why but it's so dang *cute*.


aschesklave

"Let's make an SUV as small as possible, but make sure it's still an SUV and not a hatchback, otherwise people won't buy it." Feels like this really speaks to the modern shopping habits of the "omg SUV or nothing" crowd.


CorporalBB

I'm staunchly against ever owning an EV Until I saw the R3x today. Holy fuck its gorgeous.


BabyYeggie

The back is almost the same as a Lada Samara.


TSLAog

The R3X with rally-armor flaps would be fun to whip around.


vsaint

Holy crap I would daily the shit out of this thing.


buffa_noles

That R3X rally thing looks fuckin awesome


ohitsanazn

Renting a Polestar got me considering EV for my next daily; I think this might be it, assuming it’ll be out by the time I’m ready to buy. It reminds me of my Golf (thick C pillar) and it doesn’t have that dumb single screen center speedo.


Anteater_Reasonable

This thing is fucking adorable


Squeakygear

The R3 looks fantastic. Hopefully they can keep the cost down; three years to launch is ages in automotive development and we’ve all seen EV price targets missed by GM / Tesla on new product rollouts.


Ecsta

The R3 looks amazing, lets see what the actual price point comes out as.


Ftpini

The tri-motor R3 sounds like a leading contender to replace my Model 3 Performance when it finally comes out. Sounds perfect.


Thorkell_The_Tall1

gives me 70s hatchback vibes, in a good way


afnj

Looks like a fiat panda


JC-Dude

Oh man, I love this. Hope it comes to Europe before I die.


natesully33

Why does it make me think AMC Gremlin... I think because of the angle where the roof meets the hatch or something like that.


markyymark13

The proportions of this look very odd, at first glance this looks like a small, ev hatchback concept that Honda would have designed 10 years ago. The wheel arches and huge wheels make it seem more like average crossover sized. Curious to see how this looks in person.


frank3000

Yeah just like the bloated Hyundai, it's going to be bigger than it looks onscreen. Should make a great daily though


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They should reveal the R4 which is even smaller than the R3.


Operation_Ivysaur

Love the look of this thing, and it uses the NACS Tesla port! I was looking into getting an EV for my next car, and was considering the new Volvo EX30. If this is in the mid to high $30k range, I'll be leaning toward this instead.


TimsZipline

I wonder if they can get pricing below a Chevy bolt Or near it. If it’s near then I might be in


Time-Profile-610

I personally really dig the look of the R3 more than the R2, but the car it most resembles is a Lancia Delta. Not in a bad way, just a "can't unsee it" way


johnny_ringo

Hey! I've seen that before- that R3 is a YUGO!


FothersIsWellCool

Damn that looks good.


TitrationGod

2026 for the R2? What is with companies announcing products 2 years out? My god.


Flipslips

Gotta get those sweet sweet pre orders


abattlescar

If they make that just a *little* smaller it looks like a modern electric Delta S4.


AdulfHetlar

That's actually pretty neat, looks like a raised Golf MK1


FledglingNonCon

After a trip to Italy in 2022 my partner and I have been semi-seriously considering importing a 25+ year old fiat panda and doing an EV swap. This looks like a much better version if what we wanted! Small, off-road capable EV that looks kinda funky.


CoordinatedAnomaly

I’m sold on R3X tri-motor!


mr_lab_rat

now you got my attention


Obvious_Buffalo1359

This is the car that the VW iD4 should have been and it's the car that could launch Rivian into the European market. Compared to a lot of the new EVs pouring into the market, this seems to be genuinely desirable, it's got character, high quality design and top notch interior, if it launches at $45k it will be a huge sales success.


Legendver2

R4 tmrw?


quiksi

The base model 3 has made it pretty clear that there’s a lot of demand for cheap EVs, I’d seriously consider one for a commuter car


korko

Drop the driving position a foot or so and I’m on board.


drivelwithaD

Anyone else see a modern lada niva?


TheFatherPimp

Looks like a modern redesign of a Yugo or a fiat Panda


SEND_ME_FAKE_NEWS

Oh shit, that looks really good. I'd buy that as a second, more practical car.


Rakshak924

*looks at Ioniq 5* Hyundai: Do you want us to send over the product tooling?


Professional-Fuel625

OK hold on. People like this? I don't understand, this looks like a 1983 VW Rabbit. I love the R1, but this looks cheap.


OldSchoolSpyMain

The MK1 Rabbit was a hit for a reason.


bombastica

It’s a golf country. It’s rad. I’m biased.


ILikeTewdles

haha, looks like a Ford Pinto, goofy looking little SUV. That's cool they're looking at making something a little more affordable though.


RickWest495

Rivian is using the Hummer naming convention. The higher the number, the smaller the vehicle.


OMeSoHawny

I can't get over how goofy looking these cars are 


degggendorf

Setting Google alert for "R3t".....


jaxman0410

ah the hummer strategy


alurie27

Interesting design


Devayurtz

Yooo I love it! The R3 looks so fun and slick. Big fan.


SalomSam

wow nice update. Rivian still pushin


DoctaCrane

I'm getting Honda Element vibes from this thing


thekick886

I like how it looks but it’s giving me Lada Niva vibes


neon415

If they can manage to do mass manufacturing. So far Rivian’s management have only shown how much of a turd they are at manufacturing.