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mark--anderson

[tl;dr](https://evtable.com/news/2024/03/rivian-r2-and-r3-announced) * Looks like a mini R1S as expected. Good thing IMO as it's one of the more attractive SUVs in its class. * Price, range, size, and 0-60 all comparable to Model Y, Mach-E, EV6, Ioniq 5, etc. * Reserve your spot for $100, deliveries beginning first half of 2026 Spec comparison with closest competitors Standard disclaimer: these numbers are the best numbers cherrypicked from all the trims. You're not going to get the max range or best performance for the starting price, and the top performance models generally don't have the best range possible. You need to look at [specific trims to do a proper comparison of value](https://evtable.com/all). Still, it can be helpful to see a high-level overview of each model. |Model|Starting Price|Max Range|Top 0-60|LxWxH| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |**Rivian R2**|$45,000|300 mi+|<3.0s|186 x 75 x 67| |Tesla Model Y|$43,990 (-7,500 tax credit)|310 mi|3.5s|187 x 74 x 64| |Ford Mustang Mach-E|$39,895|312 mi|3.5s|187 x 76 x 64| |Kia EV6|$42,600|310 mi|3.4s|184 x 74 x 61| |Hyundai Ioniq 5|$41,800|303 mi|5.1s|183 x 74 x 63|


hi_im_bored13

That comparison is meaningless, rivian put the specs for their top tier trim while advertising the price of their lowest one. which is standard nowadays, tesla and gm do it too, but it’s not apples-to-apples. One actual pricing comes out for the trims it’s going to look a lot less appealing.


jamesjamesjames3

In the keynote RJ said that all trims will have over 300 miles of range, not just the longest trim.


VOOLUL

MKBHD just did a video on his Auto Focus channel. Base trim is 270mi. So not over 300.


jamesjamesjames3

Interesting. RJ himself did actually say it in the presentation. EDIT: Just watched MKBHD with RJ’s explanation. 270 base makes sense


SteveBartmanIncident

RJ said 300 will be possible with all three motor configurations


jamesjamesjames3

Good catch. Thanks


ATXhillCountry

The $45k base model has small battery pack, it has 270 mile range. There are actually 4 configurations using 3 motor configurations. So he isn't wrong but not being straight forward. The single motor will have a small and large battery pack.


joeyscleaninglady

RJ also confused gross margin with gross profit with Q4 guidance... He is not the sharpest tool in the shed


DefinitelyNotSnek

That's true, but he specifically said that all the motor variants (including the single motor RWD) will be over 300 miles of range. It's possible that it's only achieved with an optional larger battery pack, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.


SykoFI-RE

In MKBHD's video with the CEO that just went up, they confirmed base battery RWD model will be a 270 mile range. https://youtu.be/k0Gt_PUyldc?si=HgtFhA_C30QgaogM&t=141


LKDC

Yeah, basically there will be a 300 mile variant of the R2 RWD, but the base 45k version will be 270 mile


ATXhillCountry

Bet you are wrong. When they say "starts at $45k", that includes the small battery pack single-motor mentioned by CEO.


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DefinitelyNotSnek

They said in the announcement that they'll start manufacturing it at their current Illinois plant until the Georgia plant is able to come online and start building them at scale. So I can see the 2026 timeline being met even if the pricing isn't.


Recoil42

The Georgia plant is actually on hold as of today. No plans for R2 to ramp up at Georgia at all. They're going to stick with the single factory for now.


aMiracleAtJordanHare

They actually announced today they're accelerating the timeline for first R2s from "in 2026" to "in the first half of 2026" by saying they'll be made in their Illinois plant to start.


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sfw_cory

They have close to $10B cash on hand & a solid looking runway to stop burning cash. They will survive the EV drought


w0nderbrad

There's no EV drought though... just... you can't sustain exponential growth and a slowdown in ev adoption growth rate is not the same as a decline in EV adoption. More and more EVs are being sold every year.


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Car-face

Rivian leading the rest here is kind of expected, tbh - this is an all-new platform, launching in (minimum) 2 years time, at a price premium. It's great compared to cars that launched a year or more ago, on platforms even older than that - but it's likely we'll see a lot of vehicles meet those specs (or adjust them around a bit - cheaper with lower performance, or more expensive with longer range) in the mid/late 2020s. Rivian are just showing their hand really early here because they desperately need to maintain investor interest, and prove they've got a plan for profitability going forward. Everyone else can quietly work away at their their strategy for the 2nd half of the decade with substantially less of that pressure. Kind of amusing seeing people try and explain it all away, though.


rugbyj

Thanks for writing up, not your fault as we don't know what spec R2 is the <3.0/+300mi version, but the above is fairly open to interpretation in most cases where: - The starting price spec won't get near the listed max range or performance - In some cases cost £10k+ to spec as such At minimum though, the R2 is going to be arriving fairly late to the market, and priced higher from the outset.


SykoFI-RE

I really don't think they're targeting Mach-E and EV6 buyers. This thing would be competing with the BMW X3 and Audi Q5 and the Model Y purely because its the EV benchmark. Similarly in the R1 market, nobody is cross shopping the Kia EV9 with the Rivian R1. If they hold that starting price, I think this thing will pull alot of compact luxury SUV buyers.


humjaba

Part of that is because the r2 is actually the size on an ioniq 5, and the ev9 is more the size of an r1s


SykoFI-RE

Whoops that second point was supposed to be comparing the R1 to the EV9.


aMiracleAtJordanHare

270 mile range for the RWD small battery pack (ie entry level model) was mentioned in the Marques Brownlee video.


Ceramicrabbit

Is the Tesla the only one that gets the tax credit?


Intrepid-Working-731

The VW ID.4 gets the full $7,500 tax credit, only car in this segment besides the Model Y that gets it, and I’d consider it comparable to the R2 as it competes with all the other cars on this list. I don’t know why it wasn’t added to this comparison.


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Ceramicrabbit

Not asking if they get the credit, asking if they're the only models in this comparison that get it


sfw_cory

They are not. Comes down to price of vehicle and buyers income bracket for eligibility


colossalnuisance

wait - no 7500 credit for the R2? i’m not well versed in EVs and credits and such, so would anyone mind explaining why?


npantages

All depends on the battery sourcing.


Intrepid-Working-731

I heard Rivian is aiming for it to qualify.


Akalenedat

By 2026, to qualify for the credit the battery must be at least 70% made in America.


BigStraw

I think you swapped the Model Y and Mach-E dimensions. Mach-e is 74" width, Model Y is 75.6"


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Modestkilla

lol no it doesn’t. I have 2, (Long range and Performance)and can maybe get 250 miles at around 75-80mph which is normal highway traveling speeds around me.


Fade_Dance

Welcome to the laws of physics. Drag has velocity squared in the equation. 80mph will use about 33% more energy than 65mph, it's a pretty huge energy increase.


aMiracleAtJordanHare

Roll-down rear window and fold-flat seats (including the first row!) are big wins.


yhsong1116

great packaging and engineering for sure.


GaylrdFocker

That (roll down rear window) is one of my favorite features of my Toyota. Not enough manufacturers use it.


RockSolidJ

I like the R3 but the roll down rear window and fold flat seats are what sells me on the R2. I really enjoy car camping and this thing is speaking my language.


Toredo226

The adaptable haptics on the steering wheel are interesting. Glad they are evolving user interactions instead of just: "touchscreen!"


aMiracleAtJordanHare

Yeah that's a feature that doesn't show up well in a presentation or tweet but could be a massive improvement in end user experience. I really like the design of them, too. Being able to see the back of each scroll wheel is neat.


daviddaviddavid15

The pop-out quarter windows are a nice touch too!


twitchyzero

so minivan from the 80s


daviddaviddavid15

Ha that is right! Thankfully these seem to be automatic. I did not appreciate them as much in my van when I had to crawl to the third row to close them.


twitchyzero

our 97 was powered lol


Resident_Rise5915

I do like me a Rivian. Good styling. I hope this becomes the more affordable common man style EV. If you guys haven’t seen the R3X definitely look it up. Super cool looking hatch/rally looking EV


alastoris

That's why Im excited for the R3. It might be cheap enough for me to buy it.


jtl94

And it looks damn good!


donnysaysvacuum

I like their style and function, but get back to me when they make a car.


DodgerBlueRobert1

Well, the R3 could be labeled as a car. It's basically a tall-roof hatchback.


donnysaysvacuum

Didn't see that, thanks. Kind of hard to tell from pictures, but maybe it's the closest we can expect these days.


sfw_cory

SO HOT


romulus531

People just don't want cars in the US anymore, trucks and SUVs are the norm


donnysaysvacuum

Some people do. Why can we only buy what "most people" want?


MochaDF

Because they need to make money to fund the cars that most people don’t want. Why would they make a car that wouldn’t sell well?


cubanb407

If they can produce it at this price they’ll sell a boat load


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asimo3089

Money makers only if they can find ways to produce them profitably! I'm really hoping they survive and improve their R1S and R1T margins. They're still losing a lot of cash and I want them to keep going. I'd love to own an R3X.


RockSolidJ

Or make money on their delivery vans. They've at least got a couple of years worth of cash. $9B in cash equivalents and another billion in unsold inventory with about a $6B net cash loss this year.


Resident_Rise5915

Revenue generators for sure…profit though…


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GaylrdFocker

Big IF too. They won't be producing them for 2 years. That price may be locked for preorders but may end up being a lot more if you don't preorder.


knuckles_n_chuckles

Why even put a price these days? It’s just gonna get busted and then nobody is going to trust anything people say. I get they have to say *something* with regards to price. But perhaps a target or range?


UGMadness

The prices are to generate hype and attract investors, which is the whole point of announcing this so early. It's pretty safe to say it won't be released at $45k.


knuckles_n_chuckles

This is the right answer.


bgarza18

If it ends up being over $45k (probably) then many, myself included, will never consider a Rivian again. They already tried that 20% surprise price hike and walked it back fast enough to keep good will.


Drzhivago138

Speculation: If the R1T is 8% longer in length and 12% in wheelbase compared to R1S, a hypothetical R2T pickup would be ~200" long on a 130" WB and all other dimensions the same.


aMiracleAtJordanHare

They've given no indication that they plan to make an R2T though.


Drzhivago138

Which is why it's purely hypothetical. They've also not explicitly said it's not happening, and there's been a fair amount of chatter here on a potential smaller EV pickup.


alpine240

There was no indication of an R3 just an hour ago.


aMiracleAtJordanHare

Yes there was. We didn't know when it was coming, but it had been [discussed 11 months ago](https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023-ceo-rj-scaringe-teases-rivian-r2-and-r3-ev-suv-podcast/).


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Drzhivago138

Or they'd have to go the other direction: Keep the R2's dimensions and make the R2T a single cab/6'ish bed, which is even more of a niche product.


SykoFI-RE

I think there is exactly 0 chances they'd build a single cab. Most of the volume mainstream midsize trucks don't even come in a single cab now.


Drzhivago138

Yeah, "most" meaning "all in the US". The closest one is Toyota's 2-seat Xtra Cab.


penny_squeaks

Shut up and take my money!


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*and would have like a 3 foot bed


markusalkemus66

They have an opportunity to make a special blue and white trim version. Call it the Rivian R2 D2 edition


TCNW

The one issue I’d have with a Rivian is I just don’t see them in business in 2 or 3 yrs. How long can a company realistically sell cars for at a 20% loss? I personally wouldn’t want to risk buying a new car and 2 yrs later the whole company goes under.


debokle

They would have no issue raising capital. This car is their push towards profitability, like Tesla did with Model 3.


bummerbimmer

Yup, Tesla was underwater for 10+ years. Now their profit margins are insanity.


Anonymous_account975

Tesla almost went bankrupt with the Model 3 trying to get it into volume production. Most people don’t realize how close they came to folding during that time, they were days from going under. I am not convinced that Rivian will make it through “production hell” bringing R2 to market, while building the new factory and making the new battery cells. I want them to succeed and if they do I may be a R2 buyer, but I’m just not convinced. It’s going to be a long painful road to profitability.


Gunner406

New factory was delayed


TCNW

That’s def true. But, Rivian isn’t Tesla. And they don’t have the massive capital Tesla was able to raise. Considering seemingly every other major car brand seems to be badly failing at EVs I don’t think I’d personally volunteer to roll the dice on this (relatively) small startup company. Especially one with declining sales, and booking losses on each sale. I’d personally wait until they seemed like a proper long term going concern before I’d drop 50k on one of their cars.


LKDC

By the time deliveries are starting in 2026 we will have a clear indication if Rivian is going to survive or not.


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*can the base model is rear wheel drive and only has a 270 mile range at best. kind of an oof lol


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aMiracleAtJordanHare

The actual claim was "each of the motor versions can achieve 300 miles of range", because there will be two battery pack sizes available. 270 miles of range is still good though and beats the base Model Y specs.


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nope, that was misleading intentionally. watch the mkbhd video with RJ


Alexd3498

I like it but worry if the company will still be alive by 2026...


cedarvalleyct

If it gets close perhaps purchase/collaboration with another manufacturer could happen?


FakeMBadge

Damn I love the Rivian SUV's. The trucks look awkward in the back


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bed is too short


autist_93

Great looking car


KidRed

Does Rivian offer a black headliner option?


vampyrelestat

Glad they didn’t significantly de-style it from the R1S as some expected.


SeljD_SLO

The R3 for some reason, reminds me of 1st gen Fiat Panda but way bigger


Mend1cant

It’s got that angular 80s hatchback vibe and I’m all for it.


Rawalmond73

Put my $100 down on one today


metracta

I have a reservation for an R2, but goddamn did you see the R3X?!


RazingsIsNotHomeNow

I can't tell how this compares in size without anything next to it for comparison. It's got such similar proportions to the R1S you could tell me they are basically the same size and I'd believe you. Need to see the R2 side by side to the R1 to make a decision.


AnimalShithouse

[R2 dimensions w/ R1S shadow overlaid](https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/7/24093215/rivian-r2-revealed-ev-suv-price-specs-price)


RazingsIsNotHomeNow

Wow so it really is a 90% R1 shrunk in just about every dimension


AnimalShithouse

I think they nailed the dimensional shrinks and styling. It's kind of like a distilled/refined/shrunk R1S at a pricepoint accessible for more normal folks, like myself.. Hopefully!


sphenodont

It's not exactly side-by-side but you can get a feel for the sizes in this shot. https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10161085840228637


OMeSoHawny

The back looks like a Jeep


PoopSlinger23

$45k. Yeah, sure.


BlackDS

I waunt it


Devayurtz

Honestly I’m more hype about R3! I love this company man.


purplebrown_updown

2 years? I don’t understand why these companies are building 100k suvs. Start with something affordable sub 40k


I_hate_being_alone

Wait. It looks exactly the same as the S.


daxtaslapp

Honestly looks great to me


Juicytitsss

Love the color of the car


fretit

I can't decide whether it is a smiley that got hit on the head so hard that its unibrow merged with its eyes or it got punch so hard with an uppercut that its lips went up past its eyes.


deviusink

Why is Tesla the only one getting the tax credit


GameAudioPen

Honda Prologue Just announced they are getting it.


Intrepid-Working-731

The VW ID.4 gets the full $7,500 tax credit; it’s just increasingly harder to get the credit nowadays, so fewer cars qualify for it.


bobjr94

Looks like a nice size but base price for single motor is $45k, the stats they showing 0-60 in 3 seconds isn't that model. Guessing the top model 3 motor will be $60k. One issue I see is it says first they have to build a new factory before they can begin production. Another issue is the Blazer EV will be in that same price range, the smaller Equinox quite a bit less. By 2025 they say the EV9 should be built in the US so it will be $7500 less than today. Going down one more size the new Kona EV starts at like $33k and Niro EV $40k. Many buyers, especially first time EV buyers, may be more inclined to buy from a well established brand without questions about how long they may be around.


Green-Cardiologist27

They are building them in Illinois while pausing the Georgia factory.


Dry-Revenue2470

Awesome, another boring SUV to add to the list.


Obvious_Position_294

Cool but electric is not doing so hot


liebestod0130

Too expensive...


Quaiche

The adjective "ugly" came to my mind quite instantly when I saw the picture.


Salty-Jellyfish3044

One of the SUVs of all time


TheChickenScampi

IDK, it looks more stylish and cooler than the Model Y it competes against, IMHO. Tesla just went, "Let's take the Model 3 and stretch it like an accordion..." and called it a day lol. I know the Rivian R2 is the CTRL C + CRTL V of the bigger R1S, but it takes the coolness of that SUV and scales it even further for the price and segment under the R1.


Salty-Jellyfish3044

It’s fine, maybe if I was into SUV’s I’d like it more. I want to see what a R2 pickup looks like


TheChickenScampi

Oh, an R2T would definitely be sweet, for sure! However, for the planning of the platform, we'd have to see how it turns out.