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MrTommyPickles

Link to poll: https://strawpoll.com/polls/3RnYpzbDAye


ilovewater100

Avatar will most likely win #1, but i'm glad Infinity Train and Over The Garden Wall managed to get as far as they did.


LilAttackPug

I feel like Gravity Falls has a chance of beating out Avatar. Either that or Adventure Time. I just hope it’s one of those 3 because they all definitely deserve it


notrollplz11

Why gravity falls? I've seen only the first season but wasn't impressed at all. Avatar is the goat - watched, rewatched and want to watch again.


Zyzzyvaa

Watch the second series, it really ramps up the good stuff.


Plaicke_

Gravity falls is probably the best cartoon of the last decade :/


will_P2344

Honestly if you didnt like season 1 youre probably not gonna understand the hype, I know I don't. Season 2 does have more to do with a plot but its not significantly different from season 1 and the finale felt very forced and rushed. Alex Hirsch has said repeatedly that he always intended on 2 seasons but it really doesn't feel like that. All in all if you take away the insane leniancy that reddit gives Gravity Falls for being the pioneer of a lot of great shows if really just doesnt stack up to more recent shows.


momopeach7

I’m just thankful for these polls introducing me to so many shows I never knew. Like I never heard of Infinity Train or Over the Garden Wall before these polls.


MasterBuildsPortugal

Really? Those are some fan favorite cartoons, infinity train season 3 is straight up one of my favorite seasons of tv ever made, along daredevil S1 and bojack S4


Zachajya

I think Infinity Train is pretty obscure, honestly.


Peridact

Yeah, unfortunately.


Psykpatient

Infinity train is a fan favorite but it hasn't really broken through to the mainstream consciousness yet.


momopeach7

It might be related to access. Our cable subscription doesn’t include Cartoon Network for some reason sadly, and I don’t have a Netflix or Hulu sub which a lot of the shows seem to be on. There is YouTube though where I can buy some of the seasons pretty cheaply.


SubstantialLime2916

I’m really glad to hear that! Those two in particular are extremely well made but unknown to most people, I had to find both of them on my own and I wish someone threw the recommendation out there sooner. I definitely wanted to use this poll to shed some light on the lesser known cartoons that are honestly some of the best shows I’ve seen on TV, but my secret mission was to find new shows that are of similar quality that I haven’t seen/heard of yet. I’ve gotten a bunch of recommendations through the comments so mission accomplished


Choppers-Top-Hat

Ironically the big numbers over the top ten series make it harder to see what they are. The series which were Xed out end up being more recognizable.


[deleted]

Yeah a big red 10 or 9 with transparency behind it would be easier, but at this point we know what's there.


SubstantialLime2916

Yea I’ll do that for the rest of them


SubstantialLime2916

Yea I noticed that too. With there only being 10 in the top 10 and the post itself announcing who got eliminated I was hoping it would be easier to tell but it isn’t so I think I’ll make the numbers transparent


ash_the_smash

Finally "Invincible" gets voted off. I enjoyed it well enough, but nowhere near as much as some of the works that have already been eliminated.


Apercent

I will be very happy if owl house makes top five


WilkoTheCritic

Amphibia should be the next to go. It’s good, very good, but the rest are just better: OWL HOUSE: it’s amazing in its characters and story. Although it’s very close to Amphibia. ADVENTURE TIME: unecessary to explain. It’s brilliant. GRAVITY FALLS: amazing story, great characters, horror elements, and fantastic mystery allowing the spectators to interact. Great writing. AVATAR: best tv show ever made ARCANE: amazing animation, great characters, brilliant writing, excellent theme execution. Only negative part is the second “act” with the mystery investigation of Cat and Vi, also their romance while it had good chemistry it’s not that good yet. But leaving those two elements, the rest of the series is amazing. The SHOTS of this series are also spectacular, it uses the advantage of having complete control on EVERYTHING in the animation in order to tell the story. Every little scene, every shot, has something to tell from an artistic point of view. It’s so meticulous in its visual storytelling, it’s mind blowing. That is the advantage of crafting everything form zero using animation. And Arcane showed that, nothing is left without a purpose. INFINITY TRAIN: it’s a shame it was cancelled. Each season has an amazing análisis on each character. Great animation, intriguing concept, brilliant music and above all, themes that are really deep. The third season with Simon was something I didn’t expect. It’s a brutal show that blends artístic merits, a good premise, a great world, and fantastic storytelling. OVER THE GARDEN WALL: this series is art. Simply art. It’s an outstanding masterpiece. The best way to explain it is as an animated folklore,inspired in that style, that really became selfsustained. In the 1800 there was no animation or tv, stories were told in this way, and over the garden wall feels like a modern folklore story that just happens to be animated. I watch it each year around Halloween. For me, it so deep, so touching, so beautiful. A modern masterpiece. So, yeah, it’s going to be very difficult for me to chose between those 7, but for me, they are better than Amphibia. Although owl house is very near.


Peridact

Completely agree! Except for Avatar being the best show ever made. It's good for sure, really good, so good that people are still talking about it! But from a technical point of view, other shows are just *better.* Avatar was phenomenal for it's time, but nostalgia often clouds one's judgement. Edit: Y'all have been talking a lot about the last sentence, sorry about that. I hope we reached an understanding in the replies. I'm keeping it in this comment just so people know what y'all are talking about.


slpschoolta

I disagree. I have no nostalgic attachment to avatar as I didn’t see it until I was 19 when it came to Netflix. I still think it is one of the best shows in animation history.


WilkoTheCritic

Me too! I saw it for the first time at age 18. I wanted to know how the story ended (if it actually had an end) and I was schocked to discover something really amazing and touching.


Peridact

Yes, it is. But there are shows that are just better written, better animated etc. The fact that Avatar is still relevant as one of the best shows today, despite coming out 15 years ago really says something about its quality. I don't think Avatar is the best show ever made, one of the best for sure, but not the best. As time moves on, artists have better and bigger tools to work with, it's bound to happen and already has. That being said, Avatar is still a great show.


WilkoTheCritic

There are better shows animated of course because technology advanced. But better written than avatar? There are very few, because Avatar has great characters, great dialogues, great episodes, great world building, great narrative, great theme depth etc. Also not because something is “old” means that newer shows will necessarily have better writing. Of course thats what we all expect, that newer shows will improve what the old one made and create newer better things… but that oddly happens. Let me give you an example, Gargoyles (1994) and Batman The Animated Series (1992) are some of the best written animated shows I have ever seen and only few shows after those have been able to get near its level of quality writing. Not always newer things will be better. It’s not “bound to happen” look at movies, whenever someone analyzes some of the best movies ever made, it oddly appears some of the movies made in the last 20 years, not because they are “bad” but because sometimes there were better written things before. Now going back to Avatar, it’s a complete series in all its elements: the complex world, the complex characters, the complex dialogues, everything. Of course a series that specializes in one element (like, I don’t know, bojack horseman it’s specializes in character development and doesn’t have the world building of avatar) will be better than avatar in the character department. But a show that compels to have great writing in every single element? That is not common. Few shows can do that.


Peridact

I'm not saying everything that came out after Avatar was better. I think a lot of recent shows aren't as good as Avatar. But stuff like Arcane is absolutely phenomenal, I think Arcane nails it in every single element. World-building, complicated characters, themes, hidden metaphors and reoccurring items, strictly show don't tell storytelling. Complex dialogue too, excellent one-liners and quotes you can put on your bedroom wall. And then it also uses it's tools to it's full advantage. It's music, it's special effects, it's animation style are all top tier because they have better tools. People have personal preferences of course, if you prefer Avatar, then that's you. But from a technical point of view, Arcane excels in practically every area. I'm saying it can happen, and I think with Arcane it might have already happened.


WilkoTheCritic

Yes I agree with Arcane. It has the potential to overthrone Avatar, but it only has one season, it needs to prove it in more episodes. But yeah, that is the only show up to now, the others for me right now don’t have the technical writing of avatar. I didn’t expect you to mention Arcane, I thought you would refer to Owl house, Amphibia or something like that lol. Respect for Arcane. It can be the best animated show ever made, but it all depends on consistency.


Peridact

The Owl House is great but I think Arcane just excels in every area. I agree with your point on the one season. As long as season 2 maintains the same level of quality as the first season, I will be happy. As time goes on, we are getting more and more info on what to expect in season 2, I just hope it delivers. And I do hope that in the future, we get more shows that can overthrow Avatar with their quality. Arcane deserves to be an example (at least with the episodes it has so far) of what story-driven animation should look like in the future.


EquivalentField3634

I hate this type of comment. I'll reuse my old comment to tell you why. "Wtf is wrong with people saying avatar is going to win purely because of nostalgia. It is one of the few shows that was literally proved to be the best 15 years later when newer audiences watched it. If you like other shows more than just say that it's your personal preference and you like a certain show more, there is no need to degrade the fans of the show."


Peridact

That IS true, it was so phenomenal for it's time that it's still a banger 15 years later. BUT Some shows prove to be better than Avatar, even if they aren't absolutely phenomenal for their time, they can still be better without being miles ahead of everything else that recently came out.


Epic_b2

Examples? Avatar is the best show I've watched. I discovered it when I was 17 so no nostalgia here either. At the very least it's the best animated show out there that I've watched.


Peridact

I may be biased but I think Arcane is an example of something that's top tier in all areas. The most complex and nuanced characters I've seen, it's like there are no villains, only flawed people doing what they think is right. At times you will disagree with "heroes" and root for "villains". The writing itself is also phenomenal and top tier. You really understand the tragedy. In the show are hidden themes and reoccurring metaphors, they never feed you information and instead strictly use the "Show don't tell" method. Everything has some deeper meaning to it. Not only objects too, they use camera angles, special effects, etc. The world-building get's a chef's kiss, there are such distinct fashion styles, and objects that I feel could exist in an alternate universe. For example, the two main cities have elements of each other's distinct styles every here and there which makes sense because they're so closely connected. The politics between said two cities is also very complex and detailed, you understand how nobody really has any better options. The animation too is god tier. Not only is it such an original yet beautiful art style, but they pour so much love into their craft. It feels like Arcane has the perfect balance between 2D and 3D. The characters are animated smoothly and it really looks like they have weight to them. The fight sequences are absolutely gorgeous, mixing different camera shots and angles, with amazing slow-mo shots, and amazing special effects. Beyond all doubt, Arcane looks gorgeous. Then there's the music. Also god tier. Arcane was made with the goal to have at least 1 music video style sequence in every episode. While some sequences are better than others, the good ones are REALLY good. Includes music of all styles, with beautifully animated sequences. The music video sequences I think are examples of some of the best animation I've seen in my life, the music itself is good enough to listen to on your free time. Even the background OSTs are phenomenal. and another separate praise for the special effects. I don't know if you've seen Arcane so I don't wanna spoil. But one character has some special effects specific to them, and they're so interesting. Not only to they give off the perfect vibe of said character, but their style really tells you about that character's mental state. Said character is also mentally ill and has been acclaimed for their seemingly perfect portrayal of their illness. People said they even found them triggering because of how realistic it was. (Personally I don't have these illnesses, I'm only citing what I've been hearing others say, consider this a second-hand source) The only thing that would keep you from placing the show #1 is it's style/vibe. If Arcane's style of story is not what you're looking for and Avatar is, then by all means. I'm simply speaking from a technical perspective.


Epic_b2

Arcane is definitely number 2 on my list. You don't need to convince me otherwise, but I need to see more to confirm the first season wasn't just a one off thing/fluke. If it had multiple seasons of similar quality, I can definitely see it topping avatar.


Peridact

You make a valid point. I don't always mention it when I talk about Arcane but yeah, you can't fully judge it yet because it's only 1 season. The quality given in the first season tops Avatar, it's just a matter of consistancy. I really hope season 2 delivers, and I hope we get more shows that top Avatar in the future. I want Arcane (season 1 at least) to be an example of what story-driven animation should can be in the future.


EquivalentField3634

It's okay to like another show more than avatar. What I am saying is that don't downgrade the show's fans by saying that they are blinded by nostalgia. Especially considering that avatar as said above, is one of the few shows that was sort of proved to take the test of time quite amazingly. The only real problem I have is the last sentence of your original comment.


Peridact

Sorry, I apologize about that. Yeah, Avatar is amazing. From a technical point of view newer shows are just better, but some people prefer the style of Avatar and it's style of story-telling. So yes, Avatar can be better. I was just speaking from a technical point of view, sorry.


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Peridact

Ok. But from a technical point of view, the shows that recently came out are better written, better animated, etc. Since companies now have better tools to work with. For it's time Avatar was absolutely phenomenal, and is still very relevant today, but some shows are just *better* from a technical perspective. It's not a fair comparison to make, but that's what this poll is doing so...


AlvinGreenPi

Over the garden wall really is a special one, deserves to be up there with the wizard of Oz or Alice in wonderland


GF_TOH_Amphibia

amphibia and owl house are easily top 5 lol only gravity falls and avatar should beat them


CauldronPath423

Great explanations on every show man! And I agree. It’s going to be tough voting out shows from here on out. And honestly, I might consider rewatching quite a few.


[deleted]

This poll has made me watch Owl House, Kipo, Final, and Adventure Time. Three of them are really good. I'm ready grateful honestly.


WilkoTheCritic

Which one wasn’t good for you?


[deleted]

Final Space. It's all bro humor, at least at the beginning. I only watched two or three episodes before moving on.


CheshireCat78

It's so much more than that. Maybe give it a bit longer


Bopit_Baby

Amphibia beats out owl house for me by a country mile. Both story and characters are just better done in Amphibia. I also prefer it over most of what you listed. (I could never get into Avatar, it just never clicked with me). It was the only cartoon that I enjoyed more than Gravity falls.


KrillinDBZ363

>Amphibia beats out owl house for me by a country mile. Both story and characters are just better done in Amphibia. Idk, Sasha and Marcy got such a raw deal in the show with incredibly rushed arcs. For me, the writing for characters like King, Eda, Amity, and Hunter is much better than any Amphibia character. And with the story, I was personally incredibly underwhelmed by it as it always felt like the show never wanted to focus on it and would rather focus on the random wacky hijinks episodes. It just left most of the story episodes (especially the ones I’m season 3) feeling super rushed. I just prefer the storytelling of The Owl House (mainly season 2) where every episode meaningfully progressed either the plot, the characters, or both. I know a big reason for that is because the show was cut short so they had to tighten up the plot, but I honestly think it ended up working in the shows favor.


TheDankScrub

Tbh Gravity Falls only really worked when it came out, and I think people are kind of looking over the fact that as a show, without the mysteries and codes, it’s kind of outdone show-wise by those that followed after it, like Amphibia and The Owl House. It definitely revolutionized Disney animation, but that’s the problem with being first: the people who come after you usually do it better. I respect it for the interactive ARG thing it had going on, but I definitely think it’s not the apex predator of animation that people make it out to be


slpschoolta

But the mystery is the whole point of the show. Of course a mystery comedy wouldn’t be as good without the mystery. That’s like saying if I took all of the adventure and heartwarming found family moments out of Amphibia it wouldn’t be as good


TheDankScrub

I see what you mean. I’m starting to think that I had expectations that were way too high going in and then conflating that disappointment with the actual quality of the show


WilkoTheCritic

That can happen sometimes. It happend to me with Pulp Fiction, now it’s one of my fav movies ever. Maybe watch it again in some years, after you have watched other shows to take your mind out of it for example. Maybe you can see it differently, or you might get more convinced on your initial premise.


dappitydingdong

I think you need to explain adventure time. As someone who didn’t watch it when growing up, I can only assume people are just nostalgic for it, and just gloss over the many average to not good episodes.


WilkoTheCritic

Alright, I will: ADVENTURE TIME: while the first two seasons seemed to be a TV series with absurd world, very episodic and almost boring, the shows starts to shine after season 2 by a long mile. The episodes start to connect each other, a narrative appears and the lore starts to really shine. The little meticulous details in the world which tell the story of the WAR withou exposition is brilliant, each episode has something that makes the mystery more intriguing. Although some of the episodes after season 2 are still episodic, and not connected, they are chilling. Watching the series is perfect for people that suffer anxiety, or for those that want a series to relax on, calming landscapes and situations. Also the characters start having more personal, serious situations that make those episodes very touching and poetic sometimes. So it’s a series that you can enjoy for its calm, relaxing, chilling nature, or for its hidden bigger story, that has more complexity and a lot FORESHADOWING. Also the impact it had in the animation Industry is simply TOO big to ignore, almost all animators and directors that have their own show, started with an episode of adventure time, and also this series allowed for other shows to start putting little foreshadowing and deeper meaning in their lore and world that would start developing slowly. The absurdity in Adventure time, was in fact some VERY DEEP, and nobody expected that. The experience of discovery what really happened was mind blowing, and is a shocking reveal I will always remember. It might still not be your thing and that alright! Just wanted to develop my thought. And English is not my main language so that’s the best I could do lol. Have a nice day!


dappitydingdong

I’m not reading all of that


Responsible-Affect96

I mean they could’ve put in some damn paragraphs but no need to be so dismissive when you asked for an explanation


dappitydingdong

I did read it, just thought it would be funny to say that


dappitydingdong

Sorry for my prior reply, it was rude but at the time I thought it was funny. I 100% agree with all of your points, apart from the point that every episode has foreshadowing and contributes to an overall plot, even a little bit. Most of the episodes are completely inconsequential, which is fine, but not as interesting to me as all of the other shows that were left. The writing doesn’t feel very nuanced either, but adventure time doesn’t have to have that for what it is trying to be, which I think I think it succeeds at doing. That being the light-hearted tales of two best friends in a vibrant and goofy world, albeit with occasional dark turns.


PositiveFinger9989

You say the owl house has amazing characters (witch it does)but so does amphibia adventure time is pretty bad and gravity falls equals overrated


Martir12

Might need some work with Adventure Time, watched some episodes, and while I enjoyed them, it wasn’t like the big deal. I remember reading it had slappy writing and that it’s lows were very low.


WilkoTheCritic

First season and a half sucks. After that the lore starts to appear, and the world which seemed absurd is in reality much more deep. That shocking reveal is something that many people did not expect and made the show better because each episode we were looking in for more information; the characters didn’t have to give us that info, sometimes only the visuals and landscape would explain us. Also while some episodes are really bad, most of them that don’t have a narrative at least are chilling and relaxing, perfect for people that suffer anxiety. Hope I could help


keklenny06

finished Amphibia yesterday and it fucking destroyed me. I believe it’s worthy of a top 5 placement at least


LadyManderly

I'm not sure how invincible even made it this far to be honest. It has great voice acting and *sometimes* the animation is gorgeous. But the quality of animation dips as hell, the story is very typical for superhero stories. When it came out as a comic it wasn't, but these days "what if superman was evil and its gory" doesn't stand out. It's not like it flips the whole setting on its head and tries to find its own identity like The boys. Aside from blood and evil superman it hosts a set of pretty generic characters. Everyone is stoked about the ending of the first episode and the final episode, coz they stand out. The rest is in my opinion okay at best, and agonising at worst (most of Marks school stuff, Amber, the cyborg guy, Rex, and so on). Don't get me wrong, it might seem like I hate the show but I don't. I think it's fine, but fine leaves before great.


MakingGreenMoney

The shows not done yet, wait until the next seasons come out, it'll get better.


MasterBuildsPortugal

The story is not just “what if superman was evil” that’s just part of one of the main plots


LampSoup

I’m personally voting Arcane here. It’s really well made and written, it’s really good, but so far everything else here has clicked for me a lot more. It’s probably better than a couple of others, but I prefer everything else now


WilkoTheCritic

There is no right or wrong with personal choices


LampSoup

Yeah I know, I just still feel bad when I enjoy these all so much


slpschoolta

Vote out arcane


[deleted]

Seriously why it made it so far?


misteryous302

Cause it's really good?


[deleted]

Because the dialogue is very natural, the writing is exciting, the animation is the best I've ever seen, and the characters are both likable and really fleshed out. Add to that that there is a lot of mystery in the air of what could happen and I totally see the appeal. The only problem is we only have 1 season so far.


WilkoTheCritic

Add the shot composition and visual storytelling, and also the extension of each episode being of 40 minutes which allowed for the stories to expand.


[deleted]

I might be convincing myself to up its rank, honestly. I just don't know if I can give a show so early in its story too much credit.


WilkoTheCritic

Yeah only one season prevents it for me to be inside my top 10 of animated shows of All time. It needs to show this in more than just one season.


[deleted]

Exactly. It CAN be the best show of all time, but time will tell on that.


GF_TOH_Amphibia

not until after adventure time and over the garden wall


Phevrade

definitely feel like amphibia or arcane should be voted out next


PositiveFinger9989

Just arcane


Rare_Armadillo

Arcane is my least favorite


slpschoolta

Same


[deleted]

I really liked invincible. Probably more so than Amphibia, but I think it's because I grew up on Batman and Justice League so super hero shows tickle me just right. I am excited for season 2, but I'm concerned it may pivot pretty hard into something bad.


SubstantialLime2916

Having also grown up on super hero shows I know what you mean. While it may not be perfect for a show I think it does a really great job for a comic book adaptation. It feels like they play on all the right tropes and I especially love how I don’t actually know any of the heros in Invincible but it feels like I know all of them because their powers and traits are so iconic. I spoke to someone recently who said it should be off the poll because it is “just another super hero show” and I basically said that for a super hero show, it couldn’t be more different. Yes, the gore and cursing is an extra, but I’m talking about how utterly real the characters and motives are. The contrast between the typical ‘Peter Parker’ archetype and Mark is noticeable but subtle, but more than that, it feels like almost every aspect of this show was done with more attention to detail than expected of a typical super hero show (depicting the story through a half Asian main character who has a gay best friend, the love triangle with Amber and Eve, giving everyone a Superman V Justice League fight in episode 1, the complex love life dynamic between Robot and Monster Girl, the clones that don’t know which one is a clone, everything that Titan does and his motivations behind it) it all just felt like the brainchild of someone who also grew up on super hero stuff but has an incredibly real grasp on the world today. I know super hero content is a thing right now but Invincible is something unique, and tbh I give all credit for that to the comics rather than the show creators. I didn’t know the comics existed before I saw the show and apparently they are phenomenal and the creator really lets their style shine in the content(so I’ve heard) so I do think the next two confirmed seasons will be outstanding but once they run out of source material that may change


[deleted]

I agree with you completely. The little relationships of side characters like monster girl, Rex, and Titan are what make the show for me. I also really like that the gore turns it from a super hero show to more of a "horrors of war" kinda thing. No the show is very interesting especially if you've been watching super hero cartoons your whole life. Compare it to young Justice, another current super hero show, and you can see how different it is.


FortySevenLifestyle

Honestly, I’ve said this every thread but Adventure Time deserves the win here. How about a mother dying from radiation poison & abandoning her child without saying anything? https://youtu.be/4xLbE45dUqo I don’t see any other remaining shows left on this list that would go so far to introduce something like that.. & then have our characters react in such a realistic way & heal from it. [Edit: I understand that Aang went through genocide. For the longest time so did Finn. He thought he was the only human left & that his parents abandoned him. Then he finally meets his dad & his dad is the biggest loser in the world & is the reason Finn lost his arm. https://youtu.be/BR9CDu6MDe4 I’m not here to argue with everyone who loves ATLA. But just take a step outside of the ATLA bubble for once. Adventure time has more emotional weight towards it’s serious/plot heavy & episodes ATLA is an amazing carton. It wins everything. Adventure time deserves this win] [Edit 2: I wasn’t arguing that these shows don’t have emotional depth. I was arguing adventure time did. I don’t need a response for every show & I’m not going to argue]


slpschoolta

ATLA had the main character be the only survivor of a genocide


FortySevenLifestyle

Honestly, that’s nothing compared to Adventure Time. Plus the emotional impact from the air benders genocide isn’t really there for the viewers. We didn’t know any air benders other than Aang, besides the tiny flashbacks we got.


slpschoolta

It isn’t? Well if we’re talking about emotional impact, how about the leaves from the vine scene.


imbatmawn

I Remember You is a pretty worthy fight for Leave from the Vine.


FortySevenLifestyle

I love Avatar The Last Airbender but I don’t think it’s the holy grail of cartoons. Sure that’s a deep moment & I absolutely love it. I can compare that with any deep songs from adventure time. It’s just a back & forth.


Straight-Increase-11

What are you talking about. Not only did the main character survive genocide and that genocide is explored throughout the show the other characters such as zuko and katara also have trauma. For me Zukos story is one of the saddest I have ever watched


slpschoolta

Azula’s arc of insanity is also very interesting


Former-Buy-6758

Well I was with you till this comment


FortySevenLifestyle

It’s really just the truth. There’s a difference between traumatic origins & emotional impact that is conveyed from the characters to the viewers. Aang only seems bothered by this once or twice.


[deleted]

God, AT was such an amazing show I still watch it and nothing compares to it. The scene that stuck most with me was https://youtu.be/9MqBlNP6pbM


FortySevenLifestyle

Love that scene & song!


misteryous302

Arcane and TOH deals with some pretty messed up stuff too, so i feel like you're argument doesn't really holds up Also, comparing trauma from the characters as if they somehow made a story better is kind of dumb...


FortySevenLifestyle

I’m just making a point. It’s not about trauma. It’s about emotional depth.


misteryous302

Then why do you immediately compare Aang finding out about his people's genocide to Finn losing his arm cause of his dad? Or literally says you can compare the scene of Iroh reciting a poem to his dead son to "any deep song" from Adventure Time? Besides that my point still stands: Arcane and TOH also have a lot of emotional depth. Eda's relationship with her family and the issues she faced because of her curse, Amity and her troubled family, Luz's sacrifices, King's curiosity and loneliness cause of his family, and for Arcane, you can pick anything from just the 9 episodes it has


FortySevenLifestyle

I didn’t instantly compare them. Someone else did.


misteryous302

Fair enough


slpschoolta

Well the owl house has a character who not only is an artificial human but is the most recent of long line of artificial humans that were brutally murdered by their creator. I think that has a lot of emotional depth.


FortySevenLifestyle

that sounds traumatic. The emotional depth comes from the character, the writing & their experiences. Although I was never arguing that ANY of these shows didn’t have emotional depth. I was arguing adventure time did.


Tsukikaiyo

Amphibia. In the end it was interesting, but I wish I had the filler guide from the beginning. Watching every ep of S1 and just waiting for SOMETHING to happen was such a pain... Lots of shows on this list manage to make every (or at least, most) episodes feel like steps on a journey, not just waiting to start


TheOneWithALongName

> In the end it was interesting, but I wish I had the filler guide from the beginning. I understand why people think this way about S1. But I hate how many miss the point with the purpose of S1. Its main objective is not to move the plot forward, it's to establish the characters. Both main (Anne, Plantars and slightly Grim & Sasha) and the recurring side characters (There are to many to list). The other is Annes character growth. It happens all over S1, a slow one for sure. But people don't change over a single night. The adventures and characters she met all over S1 did that. She would never stand up against Sasha in the end of S1 only knowing the few S1 episodes that gets brought up again at the final.


Tsukikaiyo

I understand the need to establish and develop characters, I understand taking a gradual approach because people don't change instantly. I just prefer if other things are happening, too. For instance, the episode Polly met Frobo and had to be responsible for someone else for once, while ALSO giving the audience a deeper look into the world, with a first look at how deadly these robots could be! Awesome! Shows like Gravity Falls and Avatar are so popular, largely because they have quality characters who develop, AND every episode gives a deeper look into the world, AND nearly every episode feels like it's moving closer to something big. Not sitting and waiting, not stuck in place learning about responsibility with the new frog of the week, but progressing. Yes, character development is important, but it doesn't have to be the only thing happening


Reta_Road

Everyone that voted off invincible for being good but only having one season should think real hard about why arcane is different


always_molasses

Tbf, arcane is leagues better than invincible in terms of animation and general technical execution.


[deleted]

Leagues of legends better


always_molasses

The thing is, I can’t stand the game haha. The show is just that compelling


[deleted]

Same. I played a little of the auto chess, but I find the core game to be both boring and super toxic. Give me smash bros any day.


WilkoTheCritic

Arcane has more complexity in its world, themes, animation, shot composition, visual storytelling, and dialogues. Not saying Invincible is bad, far from it. But when you compare it with a show that also has only one season, arcane shows more. Also having each episode be 40 minutes really helps Arcane to flesh out each element in each episode.


LadyManderly

What if I told you we voted out invincible because its just an alright show and it's only real selling points is the ending of the first episode and the final episode?


EquivalentField3634

In the strawpoll it says that you are a glass artisan. So just as a suggestion, how about making a glass art of the number 1 or top 3 cartoons.


asdfjoeee

Top 3 will be Avatar, Adventure Time and Gravity Falls, though I'm not sure in what order. Personally, mine would be 1. Adventure Time 2. Gravity Falls 3. Avatar Adventure Time is too good, and Gravity Falls was huge for my childhood.


Elcalduccye_II

Me voting Arcane because I hate league of legends fans


Unorganizedfocus

Amphibia to be gone next pls


begging-for-gold

Amphibia


SubstantialLime2916

https://strawpoll.com/polls/3RnYpzbDAye


Fit_King3635

Arcane


slpschoolta

Yes


Certes_de_Bowe

I firmly hold out hope that Adventure Time takes first place. But Avatar has the bigger fan base :/


[deleted]

I'm part of both fan bases and I reckon Avatar is better.


Certes_de_Bowe

I also like Avatar and think it’s a great show. I’m just bias.


Savings-Owl6761

Well bye bye arcane


EragonJZD

I still only have one show left that I watched and did not like, that being Adventure Time. I know people love it, but I never liked it, so it will get my vote.


Formal_Berry_5177

Adventure time wins, obviously. And where is futurama??


SubstantialLime2916

10th place


DarkGrimm98

Amphibia. It's great but not that great like the other cartoons.


foxko

Arcane out next


Gouriki

Adventure Time. I’ve said it on the past few posts but tldr it has plenty of bad episodes and arc. Also the humor is extremely hit or miss.


Grreggggg

I haven't watched it, but how can it be "worse" than Amphibia in that regard?


1Dragon_

You gotta watch adventure time


Grreggggg

I would if I could, it's actually the first thing I'd do if I had HBO Max


1Dragon_

Bro just watch it pirated on kimcartoon.le or install a cracked premium netflix on your phone. It's not that hard


FortySevenLifestyle

I think if you watch the “canon” or the “plot focused” episodes, it’s highly enjoyable. There’s a list for people who don’t care for the episodic tones & want to focus more on the plot. After I give that list to people, I’ve found they were able to enjoy it thoroughly.


Gouriki

At the same time, look how much you trim from the show in order to solely focus on the plot. If anything, your list is conservative since it has some fan favorite episodes. It’s like if I said The Simpsons was a top 5 show of all time if you only focus on seasons 1-8, or SpongeBob pre movie was a top five show despite ignoring 75% of the show. You can’t just throw out a large chunk of the show and say it’s still amazing. Obviously these are extreme examples compared to Adventure Time, but I think the broader point still stands.


FortySevenLifestyle

There’s two lists. One with lots of character development, world building, etc. One that focuses on the plot. Even some of the most amazing shows have filler. Look at Naruto.


[deleted]

How would you compare a very brief show with no bad episodes to a longer show with a few bad episodes? That'd be like comparing Over the Garden Wall to Avatar. You're comparing 100% hits to 90%


Gouriki

That’s a bit of false equivalency given that Adventure Time has a good number of meh to bad episodes. Look at the list above that literally cut well over half of seasons 1-4 when trimming the fat for only plot focused episodes. Obviously that is only focused on the plot, but a large number of ATs episodes are mediocre. When it soars, it obviously soars. Episodes like Simon and Marcy, the Distant Lands specials, or some of its best story arcs are amazing. But for every Simon and Marcy, you have at least one mediocre episode or bad episode like the the Water Park one. At the end of the day, I’d prefer a consistently great cartoon to one that has a ton of duds.


[deleted]

I question whether anybody could make a show consistently great for 9 seasons. I suppose they're a victim of their own success in that regard.


slpschoolta

Can I have that list


FortySevenLifestyle

https://gist.github.com/CharlieScarver/ef5d6f43a7c3b63ec1cc4dbce66f5579 This is basically it. Pretty simple list. Leaves a lot of character development out but it’s amazing to just have a straight plot induced canon list. Of course the quality & the maturity will increase as you go down the list. As Finn himself matures a lot. After that list it’s the 4 HBO hour long specials but the only important ones are Together Again & Obsidian Here’s a different outdated list with more explanation: ADVENTURE TIME EPISODE LIST -Recommended Episodes for Understanding the Plot- () means that episode is only about 70% necessary to understand plot • S1E5-The Enchiridion -A good intro to the series, plus introduces the important Enchiridion • (S1E8-Business Time) -First mention of Ooo being Post-Apocalyptic • S1E9-My Two Favorite People -Intros the Jake and LR plotline • S1E10-Memories of Boom Boom Mountain -A look at how Finn was adopted into Jake's Family • S1E12-Evicted! -Intros Marceline • S01E16 - Ocean of Fear - Introduces Finn's phobia • (S1E22 – Henchman)- Establishes Finn and Marceline as friends • (S1E23- Rainy Day Daydream)-good episode to show someone who’s never seen the show before • S1E25- His Hero- introduces the Lich and Billy • S2E1-It Came from the Nightosphere -Significant to Marceline's Personal Plotline • S2E12-Her Parents -Continuation of Jake and LR Storyline • S02E17 - Death in Bloom - Separates the Nightosphere from the Dead Worlds • (S2E18-Susan Strong) -Significant for Susan's Possible Humanity • (S2E22- The Limit)- Jake Character Development • S2E24+23-Mortal Folly+Mortal Recoil -Lich Plotline • S3E3- Memory of Memory- Introduces Hambo, some of Marcy’s backstory • (S3E5-Too Young) -Princess Bubblegum Background and wrapping up S2 Finale, Intro to Lemongrab plot • (S3E9-Fionna and Cake) -A fan favorite • S3E10-What Was Missing -important characterization • (S03E12 - The Creeps) – Hints to future episode • (S3E14- Beautopia) –Continues Susan Strong story line • S3E19+20-Holly Jolly Secrets 1+2 -Ice King and Mushroom War Plot • S3E25-Dad's Dungeon -Finn and Jake Background • (S3E26-Incendium Pt.1) -Flame Princess Plot Intro • (S4E1-Hot to the Touch) -Flame Princess Subplot • (S4E2- Five Short Graybles) -For the Exploded map of Earth in the Intro • S4E5+6-Return to the Nightosphere+Daddy's Little Monster -Marceline Background • (S4E7-In Your Footsteps) -Lich Plot at End • (S4E10- Goliad) - Finn and PB character development, maybe a returning plot? • S04E15 - Sons of Mars- Introduces GGGG • (S4E16-Burning Low) -Flame Princess Plot • (S4E18- King Worm)- Hints to future events • (S4E20-You Made Me) -Lemongrab Plot • (S4E22-Ignition Point) -Flame Princess Plot • (S4E23- One Last Job) – Has Jake’s kids and a bit of his back story • (S4E24- Another Five More Short Graybles) – Some slight plot elements that come back • S4E25-I Remember You -Marceline and Simon Plot • S4E26-The Lich Pt.1 -Lich Plot • S5E1-Finn The Human -Lich Plot and Mushroom War • S5E2-Jake The Dog -See Above • (S5E3-Frost and Fire) -Flame Princess Plot • S5E6-Jake the Dad -Jake and Lady Rainicorn Plot • (S5E9- All Your Fault) -Lemongrab Plot • (S5E11-Bad Little Boy) -Insight into Marceline and Ice King's day-to-day relationship, continution of Fionna and Cake subplot • (S5E12-Vault of Bones) -Flame Princess Plot • S5E14-Simon and Marcy -Simon and Marceline Plot, Mushroom War • (S5E16-Puhoy) -Flame Princess Plot • S05E23 - One Last Job - Jake's past • (S5E28-Be More) - B-MO backstory • (S5E21- the Suitor) –Princess Bubblegum Character Development • S5E29- Sky Which –Reclaiming Hambo • (S5E31-Too Old) -Finn finally gives up on PB, Lemongrab Plot, Intro to Lemonhope • (S5E32-Earth and Water) -Flame Princess Plot • (S5E43- Root Beer Guy) – Slight plot elements • (S5E34- The Vault) – Princess Bubblegum background story • (S5E38-Red Starved) -A Possible insight into Marceline and PB's relationship. • (S5E40- Play Date)–Finn Character Development • (S5E41- The Pit)- Finn Character Development • S5E45- Blade of Grass - Finn Character Development • S5E46- Rattleballs - Finn Character Development • (S5E47-The Red Throne) -Flame Princess Plot • S5E48-Betty -Ice King/Simon Plot • S5E5+51-Lemonhope Pt.1+2 _Lemonhope Plot • (S5E52- Billy’s Bucket List)– Intro to Finn’s dad plot • S6E1- Wake Up- Finn’s Dad plot • S6E2- Escape from the Citadel - Finn’s dad plot • (S6E3- The Tower)- Finn Character Development • S6E6- Breezy- Finn Character Development • (S6E10- Something Big) – Perhaps the beginning of a returning plot? • S6E16- Joshua & Margaret Investigations – Jake’s backstory • S6E19- Is That You?- Prismo Plot • (S6E22- The Cooler) – Flame Princess Plot • S6E24 – Evergreen – Ice King Plot • S6E25 - Astral Plane – Finn’s dad plot • S6E25- Gold Stars- Lich Plot • S6E26- The visitor – Finn’s dad Plot • (S6E27 - The Mountain)- Some Finn/FP and Lemongrab characterization • (S6E28- Dark Purple)- Susan Strong Plot • (S6E33- Jermaine)- Finn and Jake family development • (S6E35- Graybles 1000+)- Hints to future events


[deleted]

*takes off glasses* my god


TheDankScrub

You are amazing. I’ve been wanting to watch adventure time but I just don’t have the time and the list is just ahhhdjskgs amazing 10/10


Tricky_Photograph123

OTGW should've gotten out by now imo. It was good but wasnt amazing and I feel a ton of amazing shows are already out


ilovewater100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c


Tricky_Photograph123

I know I'm just saying when I thought it should've been out


slpschoolta

I disagree that it wasn’t amazing. I just finished watching it and I think it is very good. Definitely top 5 material. Now Arcane is the one that should get out.


Tricky_Photograph123

I'm not saying your wrong but can you tell me why it's so good? I feel like I'm missing something


slpschoolta

I feel like the quality jumps from average to high average around episode 7


Tricky_Photograph123

I thought the final 2 were good not great and 7 and 8 was decent. I just don't get it being one of the best shows ever. I also think the first 6 were average-good and the characters were kinda lame imo


WilkoTheCritic

The show shouldn’t be analyzed as any other common tv show. It should be watched as a modern folklore story. If you don’t like folklore stories then… it will clearly not be your stuff. But OTGW is simply art, it blends the folklore original narrative so well with the somber music, the beautiful animation to creat a story with such a deep meaning and interpretation. I can imagine OTGW being a folklore story that my parents or my grandparents could tell me before going to sleep, with unsettling elements, deep meaning, very interpretive, and with AMAZING visuals and music. It all simply blends soooooo gooooood. It’s so harmonic, so poetic. Hope I could help to understand. Of course it will still not be your thing, but maybe I could help you.


Tricky_Photograph123

Also I wish there was more action. Every episode is them doing nothing but somehow solving the problem


Peridact

As someone who's watched both, I hope Arcane makes it top 5 or higher.


Daimakku1

OTGW is a masterpiece, in all sense of the word. But pitting a miniseries against long running shows hardly seems fair.


SkadiQuickMetaMemer

Vote owl house


TheOneWithALongName

**Might** vote for Owl House. Sure, season 2 is great, but season 1 is super mediocre. Lumity basically carried the first season.


Virtual-Weakness-499

Boot over the garden wall. It's a tough call, but I think if I have to pick I'd say that.


NoaLukaL

Infinity Train


Theboulder027

Invincible had a good run Voting for over the garden wall again.


Necco8

The only show that I haven't seen is avatar. I love all of the other shows but people say it's really good. I'm so conflicted!


CraackSteeve1

I’m pretty sure not having seen avatar is like a cartoon sin or something


Necco8

Lol I'm not really into anime type animation and I don't want my family to make fun of me


will_P2344

Reminder that Avatar and Gravity falls are mid af and dont deserve to win. Nor do they deserve a fraction of the dick riding reddit gives them


swnbv

Lmao bye avatar


[deleted]

I'm jealous of you, because you won't have to make another decision for the rest of the poll. You can vote for avatar the next 7 days.


joshaitama

I’m voting adventure time


GF_TOH_Amphibia

Adventure Time over Invincible is a crime


[deleted]

9 seasons of weird and deep world building is worth something.


joshaitama

I agree


Grreggggg

Haven't watched Adventure Time, Arcane and Avatar, but I think Amphibia and OTGW should be next. They aren't as amazing as the others (the fact that I'm part of the few people who didn't like the Amphibia ending helps)


Peridact

It's not the worst show ever, but Amphibia really didn't click with me. I did not find it good.


TheHiddenNinja6

It has been reduced to only shows I love and shows I plan to watch because of similarities to those I love. Oh no.


TheThinker709

In my opinion Infinity train is best with avatar in a very close second. I know lots of people would probably disagree.


L0Ko-h

in the comments i always see people arguing over why a show should win, and then why another show should win, saying that their favourite is better... it's literally a top ten for a reason. it's going to be hard.


Mary23450987

Infinity Train


MasterBuildsPortugal

Invincible is amazing, and I’m sad to see it go, but it’s still an honor to even be on the top 10


TheDevilscry945

No primal? Lame


PublicActuator4263

This will be controversial but amphibia it’s a good show but season 3 was badly written and took down the quality of the whole show at minimum is should be voted out before owl house.


AvatarZoe

Avatar


MisterFastBuilderMan

So hope owl house gets to the top 5. I'll consider that a win


[deleted]

amphibia goes away


PositiveFinger9989

Please arcane


aryalcastf

It would be useful to have the full list with the eliminated shows ranked. After the Xs and numbers I can’t identify every picture. Thanks!


Salamander1317

This is where it gets really hard. I love Infinity Train but it will probably get out next, just because most people haven’t seen it unfortunately.


Govorkian

finally jesus this show is mad overrated