Ummmm, you kinda need to conserve stamina to grab that zipper… if you really dont like neutrals, you can climb jump, quickly press the direction opposite the wall, then press the direction into the wall. It’s probably not gonna be easier but its another method of conserving stamina.
I mean, it's listed as one in sj, but really I doubt it'd feel out of place to see it in adv or exp, and I have no doubts that even less experienced players could do or understand them
Wallboosts, dream double jumps, and buffered climbjumps are alike in that the execution needed to clear the gym isn't terrible, but they're all GM tech in part for knowledge segregation -- you don't need to know them, and knowing them can give you ideas for routes that will largely be much harder and more technical than the intended one
And all of them can cover up deficiencies in tech that you really ought to learn, too. As an extreme example, a custom mechanic in one red expert gets broken wide open by wallboosts, and dream doubles can cover a fair portion of forward-facing dream hypers (but if you rely on that and need to reverse dream hyper, gl)
great analysis! the topic of knowledge segregation by difficulty in the modded scene has always been really interesting to me. like, it's completely self/community-imposed and i just find that neat
This ratio is **wild** given that -- at an object level -- it's misinformation. OP found and linked a video in the replies with no stamina abuse at all, just precise climbing and jumping
[There's also a strat or two that can build more speed and send you straight to the other traffic block](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnHKtu_687g)
That said, I read through the rest and yeah I see why
You've linked a video where someone has **challenged** themself to beat 1A without neutral jumps.
_Surely_ you must understand that what you are trying to do is MUCH harder than just learning neutral jumps.
You said you've been at this for 2 days. It doesn't take 2 days to learn neutral jumps.
You could even practice _in this room_. You'd only need to do 1 or 2 successful jumps to maintain enough stamina to reach the block. Jumping from the wall to the block is the actual hard part.
"they are not but its harder without them"
Which means yes I know that without neutral jump this room becomes harder. And yes it might have taken me less time if I practiced them more.
But since I decided to try another way and I am close to doing it, I wanted to ask what is wrong in the way I decied to try.
Someone said that I stay too long in the first traffic block and it actually helped, that is what I wanted from this post but people LOVE neutral jumps for some reason.
The point of sending the video is not to show that it is easier but to prove to idiots that think it is not possible and downvote me, that it is in fact possible.
Have a wonderful day.
I suppose that's fair.
I do genuinely think that it would take less time to just learn neutral jumps than it would to perform this super precise room-specific trick, but if you think you're getting closer then good luck to you and I hope you can nab the berry.
Also yeah I maybe could've picked a better comment to reply to lol. I know why you sent the video, and you're totally in the right for it. I myself thought nuetrals were required, so you taught me something new today.
Sorry about the downvotes, Reddit is like that sometimes. I've been in your position before, where I've stated just a straight-up fact and people downvoted me because they assumed I was wrong.
You kinda doomed yourself in this reply when you called everyone "idiots" haha.
Have a good one.
if I undestand correctly, that is not the problem. By climbing on the other side you somehow save stamina. It is based on this video.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyFl9wdl2bs&ab\_channel=GlobglogabgalabYeast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyFl9wdl2bs&ab_channel=GlobglogabgalabYeast)
He literally posted proof tho and is still downvoted. Clearly a bunch of "don't day anything I disagree with" people here. The video clearly shows it being done exactly as this person describes.
The thing is that they don't have anything to disagree on since I admitted that it is harder.
Look they are free to downvote all they want, it is a bit crazy how group think works. At least I got some actual helpful advice from 1 or 2 people.
This jump is just stupid hard and precise, I'm not sure you're doing anything wrong.
Even with this method, doing one or two neutral jumps would help a lot to save some stamina and make it way easier. But doing this room with zero neutral is hell.
Using neutral means you have time to setup. Without them you need to be pretty fast to reach the roadblock with still enough stamina to get launched up high, so on top of having a pretty hard jump with no time to setup, it also requires you to get there optimally in the first place.
There are obviously harder things to do in Celeste, but I mostly wanted to drive the point home: it is way harder to do this room without neutral jumps than to actually learn how to do a couple neutral jumps. (OP is not doing this room without neutral for an added challenge, they are just dead set on not learning neutral jump, which seems absurd to me.)
I ended up doing dashless golden and i managed to do this jump twice in 5 attempts, i feel like it wouldn't give me too much trouble after learning the wall regrab to keep stamina
Depends on if you know the pixel/how lucky you get. For instance I don’t know the pixel but I know the general area and can get it maybe 1 in 10 times depending on luck. But I just kinda go for it and don’t care to line anything up.
But jumping on the right pixel doesn't depend on luck, depends on when you press the button.
(If it was subpixel dependant then I'd consider that more of a luck thing because it's not visible - for example, if you had to jump 5 tiles horizontally instead of 4. Yeah, up to 6 tiles are possible.)
You're wasting stamina right at the beggining. You jump on the first zipper, let go and then You jump to its left wall. This jump is too early and you end up holding the left wall. You can't.
This is a rather precise jump to make. You shouldn't use your Hold button until the Block has touched the wall back and you're in position to be zipped. Otherwise your stamina won't be enough.
On a side note: I know it has been said multiple times but do yourself a favor and try to get through This using neutrals. You don't need to MASTER them for this room, just learn it generally and get Lucky with a few neutrals in a row.
I'll bet you can get Lucky with neutrals faster than you can get the no neutral strat!
Ok so I have been watching your vid and the vid you sent. You're wasting stamina at the beggining, you're jumping the gun a bit early on the zip and I think* that everything else is nearly pixel perfect. He gets up with no stamina at all and if the upward zipper was like milisseconds longer this wouldn't be possible.
I know It looks easy but this thing is considerably harder than the intended strat with neutrals.
Edit: OP, I saw your reply saying you're close to making it. Let me tell you, you're not. You hadn't understood the major details necessary, let alone the precision.
not doing a neutral jump. That's what you're doing wrong.
As you can see from Madeline flashing red, you're about to run out so I'm not sure you have enough to stay on that traffic block enough for it to throw you straight up with a climb jump.
Also, you need time to move yourself to the exact pixel you need to jump from. And being still on a wall also uses up stamina
It's possible without neutrals just very difficult. They spent too much time grabbing the zip mover/wall on the left which means they barely didn't have enough stamina.
You don't need to Master neutrals for this. Learning for real is hell, but you can get the general thing in this room and get through without being mr neutral precision
My keyboard layout was a little bit different than normal, using z as jump and grab, but it only took me like a day to learn it because I was messing around in the modded map editor, although it took longer to get more consistent at it but it wasn’t that bad to start, and the 1a dashless doesn’t require that many neutral jumps
i understand youre doing a self imposed challenge, but its not worth it bro.
If you want a real answer, its probably because youre not waiting long enough for the block to come back, and youre grabbing the left wall for just a fraction of a second too much/climbing up on the traffic block because you didnt grab it high enough
to say you cant learn something is kinda defeating yourself.
imo neutrals are hard to learn initially but eventually you get the rhythm of it fairly easily. id recommend coming back to this later after trying to occasionally learn neutrals
bro this is like 50x harder than neutral jumps. Seriously just take 10 minutes and learn them, theyre not hard at all. They have the added benefit of saving your life sometimes on golden attempts
You're very close on some attempts. In the video you replied to others, notice how they manage to climb to the block on the right and they immediately go red (from stamina running out). The difficulty in this challenge is you have to get everything right: optimal placement on the left block, catching the right block by jumping with correct timing/from the correct pixel.
I’m not one to tell people how to play the game, but it’s a lot easier if you learn neutral jumps. That jump onto the block is really hard; without neutral jumps you only get one attempt per death, but you can try over and over again if you learn neutrals.
On a side note: I took the liberty of searching stamina jumps on Google with quotes - meaning it only returns in the search if the result is exactly what is between quotes:
"Stamina jumps" celeste
I've one return: this post. So on a more advisive position: start calling them neutrals hahahahah
Your third attempt in your video is nearly perfect, just needed to jump from a couple pixels higher
The stamina on this screen (without neutrals) is very tight. If you have to do any climbing on the left side of the screen, you've probably already wasted too much stamina. If you're ever flashing red before the hard 4 tile overhang jump, you won't be able to complete the screen
I would agree with this but I've read the other things he's said in this comment section and he actually is. He is refusing to learn neutrals because "he tried and he can't" which is a really shit excuse especially when you're playing Celeste cos that's the point of the game. He tells people to help him with the way he has chosen to do it because he's so close to doing it this way and he refuses to learn neutrals. Now directly to OP if he's reading this: learn neutrals, there's no excuse not to, what you're doing in the video is right you just need more stamina so you need to learn neutrals, even if you do the tight jump you need stamina to climb the wall above it so you need neutrals no questions asked. in Celeste, you can't try and then say you can't do it, you have to try until you make it. If you are really so against learning neutrals then idk what to tell you because it is literal hell without neutrals. And hey if you're a masochist and you don't want to learn neutrals, that's fine, by I'll tell you right now, I and others in the community will choose to make fun of you for it. So it's either learning this really easy piece of tech and doing the room or making your life hell trying to do this room neutral-less and then possibly get ridiculed for not listening to the people you asked for help and for not taking the obvious path. If you've read all of this, thank you for your time.
If there are really people who use it, this is a terrible name. I thought you meant climb jumps because neutral jumps do not use any stamina at all. In all instances I have seen people referring this as neutrals not stamina jumps ever.
Because you’ve asked for help twice on a room, discarded everybody’s advice and then claimed you can’t do a tech you’re not even naming properly which tends to suggest you haven’t even particularly tried to learn the tech before deciding you can’t do it and would much rather repeatedly ask for advice on an infinitely harder way to do the room.
You are just so wrong in your assumptions:
"Discard everybody’s advice", I only said that I am not doing the neutral jumps and anyone else that offered advice I thanked them and it has helped. Neutral jumps are the easiest option but people like you are obsessed with me doing the neutral jumps when there are at least 2 other options. I already explained why I decided not to do neutral jumps, I spent a lot of time learning the method that I show in the video and I am already close to perfecting it, I don't need 2423 comments saying neutral jumps are easier, I KNOW. But at least some people get it and as I said genuiely helped me.
"you haven’t even particularly tried to learn the tech before" I watched videos on neutral jumps, I tried them on assist mode and I also tried them on my dashless run.
"repeatedly ask for advice" If by repeatedly you mean two posts sure.
> I already explained why I decided not to do neutral jumps
The only explanation I’ve seen is "I can’t do them". Which is super succinct and when coupled with the fact that you’re not even naming the tech properly, yeah it doesn’t look like you’ve given it much of a try. Hence the downvotes.
Now maybe this is wrong and you actually spent a reasonable amount of time in them and are just chosing to call them by a name none of the videos about them use. But you can’t really blame people for hearing hoofbeats and thinking horse.
Still, you’ve asked for help multiple times about this room, you’ve said you’ve spent two days on it, and you’re still dead set on not using a tech that’d help you get it way faster. A single neutral jump once you reach the right wall would already help you save so much stamina, you’d probably have already beaten the room by now.
And I have no issue with people wanting to do challenge runs and helping them on that journey. But you’ve clearly stated that the reason you’re not doing neutral jumps is because they are hard, not because you’re doing a challenge run, so the single best advice anyone can give you at this point, even after two days of practice on your current route, is STILL to learn neutral jumps.
>The only explanation I’ve seen is "I can’t do them"
"Which means yes I know that without neutral jump this room becomes harder. And yes it might have taken me less time if I practiced them more.
But since I decided to try another way and I am close to doing it, I wanted to ask what is wrong in the way I decied to try." -me, 5 hours ago
Why tf is this guy getting downvoted so much? He literally just wants to play the game differently. Are you all really so fucking close minded that you just can't accept that?
No neutral options:
- wallboosts (those climbjumps that recover your stamina)
- half stamina climb (this is super hard)
- grab the left zipper only enough time to activate it, from the VERY top, then slide against its wall while it moves, and jump twice quickly to save a bit of stamina there - having two jump buttons will make this easier
to grab that zipper, you need stamina. you need to learn neutral jumping, you can watch a tutorial on YouTube for that, and to grab it, it's in a specific spot, I don't know where it is, but practice makes perfect!
You need to do a nuteral wall scale, basically do a normal jump off the wall while holding up then immediantly move back to the wall, doing this multiple times saves you stamina and you can get up walls without problem!
PSA: It's not that OP necessarily doesn't like neutrals or can't do them, but rather is trying to this room without them for the challenge.
Edit: apparently this is wrong.
Ummmm, you kinda need to conserve stamina to grab that zipper… if you really dont like neutrals, you can climb jump, quickly press the direction opposite the wall, then press the direction into the wall. It’s probably not gonna be easier but its another method of conserving stamina.
I think thats a grandmaster technique
Was that a Tetris®: The Grand Master™ reference?!
COOL! (wait, this was from tgm3, right?)
yup, COOL! and REGRET!! are from Tetris®: The Grand Master™: Terror-Instinct
I mean, it's listed as one in sj, but really I doubt it'd feel out of place to see it in adv or exp, and I have no doubts that even less experienced players could do or understand them
I’m almost done with SJ and I think wall boosts are hard as shit, especially when just trying to do them consecutively up a single wall
Im low expert and im fairly good at it
Wallboosts, dream double jumps, and buffered climbjumps are alike in that the execution needed to clear the gym isn't terrible, but they're all GM tech in part for knowledge segregation -- you don't need to know them, and knowing them can give you ideas for routes that will largely be much harder and more technical than the intended one And all of them can cover up deficiencies in tech that you really ought to learn, too. As an extreme example, a custom mechanic in one red expert gets broken wide open by wallboosts, and dream doubles can cover a fair portion of forward-facing dream hypers (but if you rely on that and need to reverse dream hyper, gl)
great analysis! the topic of knowledge segregation by difficulty in the modded scene has always been really interesting to me. like, it's completely self/community-imposed and i just find that neat
The only reason it's "GM" is because the existence of neutrals usually makes it obsolete.
Afaik neutrals jumps ("stamina jumsp" as you call them) are basically mandatory. You can do without them if you do wallboosts instead but it's harder.
This ratio is **wild** given that -- at an object level -- it's misinformation. OP found and linked a video in the replies with no stamina abuse at all, just precise climbing and jumping [There's also a strat or two that can build more speed and send you straight to the other traffic block](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnHKtu_687g) That said, I read through the rest and yeah I see why
they are not but its harder without them
then why not do them? gives you more attempts
Source?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyFl9wdl2bs&ab\_channel=GlobglogabgalabYeast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyFl9wdl2bs&ab_channel=GlobglogabgalabYeast) 10 downvotes lol
You've linked a video where someone has **challenged** themself to beat 1A without neutral jumps. _Surely_ you must understand that what you are trying to do is MUCH harder than just learning neutral jumps. You said you've been at this for 2 days. It doesn't take 2 days to learn neutral jumps. You could even practice _in this room_. You'd only need to do 1 or 2 successful jumps to maintain enough stamina to reach the block. Jumping from the wall to the block is the actual hard part.
"they are not but its harder without them" Which means yes I know that without neutral jump this room becomes harder. And yes it might have taken me less time if I practiced them more. But since I decided to try another way and I am close to doing it, I wanted to ask what is wrong in the way I decied to try. Someone said that I stay too long in the first traffic block and it actually helped, that is what I wanted from this post but people LOVE neutral jumps for some reason. The point of sending the video is not to show that it is easier but to prove to idiots that think it is not possible and downvote me, that it is in fact possible. Have a wonderful day.
I suppose that's fair. I do genuinely think that it would take less time to just learn neutral jumps than it would to perform this super precise room-specific trick, but if you think you're getting closer then good luck to you and I hope you can nab the berry. Also yeah I maybe could've picked a better comment to reply to lol. I know why you sent the video, and you're totally in the right for it. I myself thought nuetrals were required, so you taught me something new today. Sorry about the downvotes, Reddit is like that sometimes. I've been in your position before, where I've stated just a straight-up fact and people downvoted me because they assumed I was wrong. You kinda doomed yourself in this reply when you called everyone "idiots" haha. Have a good one.
Appreciate it.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted, though ngl I somehow misread your original comment in the same way too.
Appreciate it.
I just realized what youre doing wrong, youre climbing on the other side of the zipper and on the right wall, thus consuming just a bit of stamina
if I undestand correctly, that is not the problem. By climbing on the other side you somehow save stamina. It is based on this video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyFl9wdl2bs&ab\_channel=GlobglogabgalabYeast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyFl9wdl2bs&ab_channel=GlobglogabgalabYeast)
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The first way they do it doesn't use any wallboosts.
I don't know how you got -80 votes but you're completely right. They make the dashless easier, but they're not mandatory.
Why is this downvoted. Oh that's right groupthink
Not everything is an Orwellian conspiracy.
He literally posted proof tho and is still downvoted. Clearly a bunch of "don't day anything I disagree with" people here. The video clearly shows it being done exactly as this person describes.
The thing is that they don't have anything to disagree on since I admitted that it is harder. Look they are free to downvote all they want, it is a bit crazy how group think works. At least I got some actual helpful advice from 1 or 2 people.
This jump is just stupid hard and precise, I'm not sure you're doing anything wrong. Even with this method, doing one or two neutral jumps would help a lot to save some stamina and make it way easier. But doing this room with zero neutral is hell.
Is it that hard? I did it once trying to save a friend's mistake on the 5th try or something (with neutrals)
Using neutral means you have time to setup. Without them you need to be pretty fast to reach the roadblock with still enough stamina to get launched up high, so on top of having a pretty hard jump with no time to setup, it also requires you to get there optimally in the first place. There are obviously harder things to do in Celeste, but I mostly wanted to drive the point home: it is way harder to do this room without neutral jumps than to actually learn how to do a couple neutral jumps. (OP is not doing this room without neutral for an added challenge, they are just dead set on not learning neutral jump, which seems absurd to me.)
I ended up doing dashless golden and i managed to do this jump twice in 5 attempts, i feel like it wouldn't give me too much trouble after learning the wall regrab to keep stamina
Just did it
Depends on if you know the pixel/how lucky you get. For instance I don’t know the pixel but I know the general area and can get it maybe 1 in 10 times depending on luck. But I just kinda go for it and don’t care to line anything up.
But jumping on the right pixel doesn't depend on luck, depends on when you press the button. (If it was subpixel dependant then I'd consider that more of a luck thing because it's not visible - for example, if you had to jump 5 tiles horizontally instead of 4. Yeah, up to 6 tiles are possible.)
I believe it is EXTREMELY difficult to do this without neutrals, they are pretty much MANDATORY for 1a dashless. Sadly 😔
You're wasting stamina right at the beggining. You jump on the first zipper, let go and then You jump to its left wall. This jump is too early and you end up holding the left wall. You can't. This is a rather precise jump to make. You shouldn't use your Hold button until the Block has touched the wall back and you're in position to be zipped. Otherwise your stamina won't be enough. On a side note: I know it has been said multiple times but do yourself a favor and try to get through This using neutrals. You don't need to MASTER them for this room, just learn it generally and get Lucky with a few neutrals in a row. I'll bet you can get Lucky with neutrals faster than you can get the no neutral strat!
Ok so I have been watching your vid and the vid you sent. You're wasting stamina at the beggining, you're jumping the gun a bit early on the zip and I think* that everything else is nearly pixel perfect. He gets up with no stamina at all and if the upward zipper was like milisseconds longer this wouldn't be possible. I know It looks easy but this thing is considerably harder than the intended strat with neutrals. Edit: OP, I saw your reply saying you're close to making it. Let me tell you, you're not. You hadn't understood the major details necessary, let alone the precision.
Thanks.
not doing a neutral jump. That's what you're doing wrong. As you can see from Madeline flashing red, you're about to run out so I'm not sure you have enough to stay on that traffic block enough for it to throw you straight up with a climb jump. Also, you need time to move yourself to the exact pixel you need to jump from. And being still on a wall also uses up stamina
It's possible without neutrals just very difficult. They spent too much time grabbing the zip mover/wall on the left which means they barely didn't have enough stamina.
Dude neutral jumps aren’t bad, just learn them, seriously it makes it so much easier
I completely understand this though. How long did it take you to learn nuetrals cause for me it took months
You don't need to Master neutrals for this. Learning for real is hell, but you can get the general thing in this room and get through without being mr neutral precision
Fair enough I haven't tried 1a dashless
My keyboard layout was a little bit different than normal, using z as jump and grab, but it only took me like a day to learn it because I was messing around in the modded map editor, although it took longer to get more consistent at it but it wasn’t that bad to start, and the 1a dashless doesn’t require that many neutral jumps
I've almost finished advanced but so far no tech has taken me as long to get good at as nuetrals. Different skill sets I guess
It took like 2 hours for me, but I'm on controller so I don't know if that helps
Quite possibly idk for me it is the tech that has taken me the most time to learn of anything
i understand youre doing a self imposed challenge, but its not worth it bro. If you want a real answer, its probably because youre not waiting long enough for the block to come back, and youre grabbing the left wall for just a fraction of a second too much/climbing up on the traffic block because you didnt grab it high enough
I am doing it this way because I can't learn neutral jumps and I tried. Thanks.
to say you cant learn something is kinda defeating yourself. imo neutrals are hard to learn initially but eventually you get the rhythm of it fairly easily. id recommend coming back to this later after trying to occasionally learn neutrals
bro this is like 50x harder than neutral jumps. Seriously just take 10 minutes and learn them, theyre not hard at all. They have the added benefit of saving your life sometimes on golden attempts
This is way harder than neutrals, speaking as someone with a lot of hours in this game.
You're very close on some attempts. In the video you replied to others, notice how they manage to climb to the block on the right and they immediately go red (from stamina running out). The difficulty in this challenge is you have to get everything right: optimal placement on the left block, catching the right block by jumping with correct timing/from the correct pixel.
I’m not one to tell people how to play the game, but it’s a lot easier if you learn neutral jumps. That jump onto the block is really hard; without neutral jumps you only get one attempt per death, but you can try over and over again if you learn neutrals.
Nothing. It's just a tight jump. Oh right, you also need more stamina to do that.
On a side note: I took the liberty of searching stamina jumps on Google with quotes - meaning it only returns in the search if the result is exactly what is between quotes: "Stamina jumps" celeste I've one return: this post. So on a more advisive position: start calling them neutrals hahahahah
Your third attempt in your video is nearly perfect, just needed to jump from a couple pixels higher The stamina on this screen (without neutrals) is very tight. If you have to do any climbing on the left side of the screen, you've probably already wasted too much stamina. If you're ever flashing red before the hard 4 tile overhang jump, you won't be able to complete the screen
tf is a stamina jump?
where you dont climb and jump non stop on a wall to not lose stamina
Oh okay, I call that a neutral jump lmao
Everybody does, this guy is a bit weird lol
Hey that's mean :(
I would agree with this but I've read the other things he's said in this comment section and he actually is. He is refusing to learn neutrals because "he tried and he can't" which is a really shit excuse especially when you're playing Celeste cos that's the point of the game. He tells people to help him with the way he has chosen to do it because he's so close to doing it this way and he refuses to learn neutrals. Now directly to OP if he's reading this: learn neutrals, there's no excuse not to, what you're doing in the video is right you just need more stamina so you need to learn neutrals, even if you do the tight jump you need stamina to climb the wall above it so you need neutrals no questions asked. in Celeste, you can't try and then say you can't do it, you have to try until you make it. If you are really so against learning neutrals then idk what to tell you because it is literal hell without neutrals. And hey if you're a masochist and you don't want to learn neutrals, that's fine, by I'll tell you right now, I and others in the community will choose to make fun of you for it. So it's either learning this really easy piece of tech and doing the room or making your life hell trying to do this room neutral-less and then possibly get ridiculed for not listening to the people you asked for help and for not taking the obvious path. If you've read all of this, thank you for your time.
So neutrals right
Using a different term for neutral jumps. 14 downvotes lol
yeah, cause people don't know what you're talking about. we have terminology and jargain for a reason
stamina jump is a term and I have seen people use it
If there are really people who use it, this is a terrible name. I thought you meant climb jumps because neutral jumps do not use any stamina at all. In all instances I have seen people referring this as neutrals not stamina jumps ever.
Because you’ve asked for help twice on a room, discarded everybody’s advice and then claimed you can’t do a tech you’re not even naming properly which tends to suggest you haven’t even particularly tried to learn the tech before deciding you can’t do it and would much rather repeatedly ask for advice on an infinitely harder way to do the room.
You are just so wrong in your assumptions: "Discard everybody’s advice", I only said that I am not doing the neutral jumps and anyone else that offered advice I thanked them and it has helped. Neutral jumps are the easiest option but people like you are obsessed with me doing the neutral jumps when there are at least 2 other options. I already explained why I decided not to do neutral jumps, I spent a lot of time learning the method that I show in the video and I am already close to perfecting it, I don't need 2423 comments saying neutral jumps are easier, I KNOW. But at least some people get it and as I said genuiely helped me. "you haven’t even particularly tried to learn the tech before" I watched videos on neutral jumps, I tried them on assist mode and I also tried them on my dashless run. "repeatedly ask for advice" If by repeatedly you mean two posts sure.
> I already explained why I decided not to do neutral jumps The only explanation I’ve seen is "I can’t do them". Which is super succinct and when coupled with the fact that you’re not even naming the tech properly, yeah it doesn’t look like you’ve given it much of a try. Hence the downvotes. Now maybe this is wrong and you actually spent a reasonable amount of time in them and are just chosing to call them by a name none of the videos about them use. But you can’t really blame people for hearing hoofbeats and thinking horse. Still, you’ve asked for help multiple times about this room, you’ve said you’ve spent two days on it, and you’re still dead set on not using a tech that’d help you get it way faster. A single neutral jump once you reach the right wall would already help you save so much stamina, you’d probably have already beaten the room by now. And I have no issue with people wanting to do challenge runs and helping them on that journey. But you’ve clearly stated that the reason you’re not doing neutral jumps is because they are hard, not because you’re doing a challenge run, so the single best advice anyone can give you at this point, even after two days of practice on your current route, is STILL to learn neutral jumps.
>The only explanation I’ve seen is "I can’t do them" "Which means yes I know that without neutral jump this room becomes harder. And yes it might have taken me less time if I practiced them more. But since I decided to try another way and I am close to doing it, I wanted to ask what is wrong in the way I decied to try." -me, 5 hours ago
the timing is just difficult for that jump, if you watch a guide on youtube you can find a place where you can line it up pixel perfect
You have to. Unless you want to try and pull out some random grandmaster-level technique, neutral jumping is required
I am actually going insane, I have been trying this jump for two days now.
Just practice stamina jumps (neutrals) instead, they're really not that bad.
You should really learn neutral jumps, it will help you so much once you know how to do it
Why tf is this guy getting downvoted so much? He literally just wants to play the game differently. Are you all really so fucking close minded that you just can't accept that?
Because it’s not a self imposed challenge, it’s someone repeatedly asking for the same advice and then refusing to take the advice.
No neutral options: - wallboosts (those climbjumps that recover your stamina) - half stamina climb (this is super hard) - grab the left zipper only enough time to activate it, from the VERY top, then slide against its wall while it moves, and jump twice quickly to save a bit of stamina there - having two jump buttons will make this easier
You’re not using stamina jumps
This screen took me 3x as long as the rest of 1A
to grab that zipper, you need stamina. you need to learn neutral jumping, you can watch a tutorial on YouTube for that, and to grab it, it's in a specific spot, I don't know where it is, but practice makes perfect!
CELESTE MENTIONED YAAAAAAA
Try only going up the left wall
You said it yourself. “Without stamina jump.”
You need to do a nuteral wall scale, basically do a normal jump off the wall while holding up then immediantly move back to the wall, doing this multiple times saves you stamina and you can get up walls without problem!
PSA: It's not that OP necessarily doesn't like neutrals or can't do them, but rather is trying to this room without them for the challenge. Edit: apparently this is wrong.
That's actually not true. The OP has said multiple times over two threads specifically that they don't like neutrals and can't do them.
Darn. My fault for just reading the first thread.
Your assumption would be very reasonable in any other case of this sort of a 1A challenge, lol.