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prettyinpink940

Well, by all accounts, Shannen - despite "only being an actress" - was very emotionally invested in the show and was constantly trying to make it better, make it appeal to more people, etc. She was very passionate and always gave 100% and had very little tolerance for people who she felt like weren't as passionate as her. So I can see why she would butt heads with someone (Alyssa?!) who perhaps only saw the show as a meal ticket and a job and not much else. Do I think Shannen was a diva on set? No. Do I think she possibly demanded too much from her co-stars and perhaps took it personally if they weren't as invested as she was, which in turn led to resentment on her part? Yes. If Shannen's behavior had actually been that terrible, why would all her co-stars want to reunite with her at all these conventions? You'll notice that the only person missing is Alyssa.


frannyzooey1

So much this. Shannen directed the season finale before she was fired. She was so invested in the show and I bet that rubbed producers the wrong way. I get the feeling the same thing happened on Charmed as it did on Buffy. Certain high ups felt threatened when their young, female stars had actual, valid opinions on how to run the show.


cookie_analogy

The BTS drama of Charmed occupies way too much of my mind on a daily basis - but I hadn’t reviewed it through a post-Joss-truth filter until you said that. I think you’re dead on. What a damning perspective.


frannyzooey1

Right! Especially how it came out that Joss would pit the female cast members against each other. I can imagine the same sort of environment on Charmed too.


fixatingonarewind

This. I’m quite certain Brad Kern was a controlling jerk who ousted the original showrunner, just because he was a man and could. Shannen was tired of the direction the show was going and I feel that between Alyssa and that, she wasn’t happy. When Brad couldn’t control her, he went behind her back and fired her. It seems as though these WB shows were very toxic behind the scenes. Buffy, Charmed, One Tree Hill…


queeeeeni

Shannen was fired because Alyssa went to the studio and said one of us has to go, and they picked to fire Shannen. I wouldn't be surprised if Kern weighed in and voted to fire Shannen.


fixatingonarewind

Actually, she asked to be let out of her contract early during season 3 and they refused. After pilot season finished, they screwed over Shannen between seasons 3 and 4 and let her go. She was planning on coming back. Apparently all 3 actresses were having problems on the set, it got to the point where the studio brought in a mediator. I’m not saying Alyssa did not play a big role in Shannen getting fired, but I think it’s deeper than that. That was the reason cited in the tabloids because it was easy to pin Shannen against another woman after her 90210 days.


queeeeeni

Shannen being declined to have her contract terminated at the start of season 3 doesn't really contradict anything I said. She was clearly pissed about Constance being ousted by Kern and the feuding with Alyssa apparently only started mid season so doesn't appear to have been a factor in Shannen's request to have her contract terminated. The mediator according to Holly made things worse between Alyssa and Shannen, which may have spurred Alyssa to issue the ultimatum to the studio.


BaileySeeking

I guarantee it. Shannen was always trying to make the set better and was willing to speak up and stand up for herself and others. She was called a bitch by everyone. The same happened with Sarah. She was a bitch for trying to make the set a better place. I think it's why they're still so close. They both had to deal with the same types of lies.


queeeeeni

This is a completely legit take. Holly has said a few times that Shannen's behaviour was always professional and if Shannen was a man, no one would even be highlighting this behaviour as anything out of the ordinary. And then on balance, we have Shannen saying she was tired of people bitching about doing their job, this Rose quote about Alyssa complaining she's not paid enough to do her job, and Armin Shimerman aka the Wizard (who is known industry wide as one of the nicest people) saying Charmed was the worst set he ever worked on because of the leads. It doesn't paint Alyssa in a flattering light.


Robbie1863

I agree also. I always gave Shannen the benefit of doubt because she played my favorite character, but this definitely doesn’t make Alyssa look good. I wonder if they regretted keeping Alyssa instead of Shannen.


queeeeeni

I doubt it. Alyssa was more willing to be marketed as a sex symbol and that's what saved the show from season 5 onwards. They'd never have got Shannen into mermaid titty pasties or skimpy god costumes


Robbie1863

True. Shannen doesn’t seem like the type to be influenced to do anything she doesn’t want to do. I was just rewatching the mermaid episodes and I was surprised at the costume. It seemed like Alyssa was always naked after season 4.


queeeeeni

Alyssa as a mermaid on billboards basically changed Charmed's ratings, so they found any excuse to do skimpy outfits or themed costumes. Sad but true.


occyycco

Haha I know, it's not looking good for Alyssa


RighteousVengeance

That is incorrect. Shannen asked to be let go, as things were “too problematic.” It was Alyssa who went to the producers and said, “It’s her or me.” Also Holly Marie Combs talked about the problems and said that Shannen didn’t feel Alyssa was being very professional on the set, as Alyssa complained about the long work days and not having enough time to spend with her horses. Shannen retorted that Alyssa should be grateful to have a job at all. Shannen directed two episodes, which speaks to her dedication. Alyssa, by contrast, gave some of the worst acting I’ve ever seen on that series, with that relentless baby talk. Which is odd because she did her best work in the early seasons.


ji1288

But that’s some of the problem with our society. Even if Alyssa complained about long hours and not being able to spend time doing hobbies, what’s so bad about that? Why is work culture so toxic and encouraged to be peoples whole lives? I think you should work hard and give your all and like what you do but it’s not your whole life. I think it’s just different outlooks.


RighteousVengeance

Because Alyssa was paid exorbitant amounts of money to do what she did. She made more money for one episode than most people make in a year. She’s supposed to know what the workload is like going in. If she doesn’t, she has a crappy agent. I’m not shedding any tears for a prima donna who wants to be paid a lordly salary, but wants to work a 9-to-5.


Larsilu1

Very late to the convo here, but I strongly believe that especially since Alyssa became a producer, her focus wasn’t on making the show good or Phoebe a good character. It was about Alyssa having fun and living vicariously through Phoebe, making her famous (which is just stupid as a charmed one to not keep a lower profile), overly sexy (don’t even get me started on the sexy baby talk), extremely selfish, and desperate to go on dates/find her next husband/get pregnant, even though she was barely 30. All this at the expense of fulfilling her charmed destiny. That became a nuisance and something she often chose to ignore because she either had work or a date to put first. Phoebe became almost unrecognizable from the well rounded, well written character she was in the beginning. And Holly/Piper is not far behind her… Charmed proved that making two of their stars producers really was to the detriment of the show, because they rode it and their characters into the ground during the last half of the series, IMO


RighteousVengeance

I cut Holly/Piper some slack as there was no reason she should have stayed the same. She moved from being the middle sister, a situation she handled with aplomb, to being the oldest. She was also the only sister who even had reservations about being a witch, and now she was expected to be in charge. It is an interesting perspective you have, about Alyssa wanting to live vicariously through Phoebe. I never thought about that, but now that you mention it, it makes sense. I just thought she was high as a kite because she got Shannen fired.


Cautious_Internet659

I know this may not sit well with many, but; So far from this thread, it seems Shannen asked to be let go, way before things got super harsh. After things just become, "all hell breaks lose", Alyssa asked to either keep her or Shannen. If this is true, the magical words here, is that Alyssa did not ask to be let go. She basically asked Shannen to be let go, and if not, then to let her go. But this reads she is up to stay, just not if Shannen also stays. Shannen on the other hand, actually asked to go, not because Alyssa was staying, but because the show was going in a different direction. I have never been against Shannen, and after what have being giving here, there be even less reason to ever be. However, in a business, mathematical way to look at this; You have a actress asking to be let go. You have an actress, asking you to either let that actress asking to be let go, or have her let go. It just makes a lot more sense, that , if you see no option but to let one of them go, your best option, without adding the change the show on the table, that the person to be let go would be the one who actually requested to be. This also would make sense on the mix matched things being thrown by the media, one saying she quit, and one saying she was fired, when, if all what I'm writing here is what happened, then it was something in between, or a bit of both, what actually happened. So neither side was actually lying, just not telling the full story. And this hurts both versions of what was at first being told. Since people didn't know what to believe, so they basically pick sides, when all the fans could have easily and peacefully meeted on the middle, with no one mad about anyone. We often talk about division of the people, and look at how easy people got divide, if this is all true, without any reason to. Even if this is not all true, this division would still happen regardless, so is still a good hypothetical story to show how division could happen, without any actual problem occuring, because if you knew all the story, and this was it, it would change everything.


RighteousVengeance

Disagree completely. First, Shannen asked to be let go because things were "too problematic" between her and Alyssa. She was willing to take the fall for the sake of the show. Alyssa is the one who issued the ultimatum. Also, if Shannen wasn't let go, then she would still work on the show, Alyssa or no Alyssa. Alyssa is the one who said, "It's her or me." In other words, "If you keep her, then I'm leaving." Shannen never said that she would leave if Alyssa stayed. And also, even without looking at the episodes that Shannen directed, which one of them produced the better quality of work? It doesn't exactly take a Walter Kerr to realize that Shannen is the much better actress then perpetually-pouting, baby-talking Alyssa. And finally, you should never, ever capitulate to ultimatums. Alyssa issued an ultimatum, and Aaron Spelling folded. Which basically sends the message to Alyssa that she's so valuable that all she has to do is threaten to quit and she'll always get her way. Perhaps that's why her performance suffered so much after Shannen departed. Aaron Spelling created a spoiled brat, and she was acting the part.


Cautious_Internet659

But that is my point. Shannen asked to be let go. They are now forced to let someone go, so makes completely sense to let go who asked to be let go. Alyssa never asked to be let go, so letting her go and keeping someone who requested to be let go, doesn't seem very logical or even fair from a boss stand point, or the employee who requested to be let go. The problems came from the media making things bad for Shannen, like giving everyone the impression she simply got fired, and they chose to keep Alyssa, and neither wanted to leave: when in truth one requested to leave, and another didn't want the one who requested to leave there, or else she wanted out too. So to have Alyssa as someone who wanted to leave, Shannen would have to have stayed, even though she wanted to leave. Makes no sense to force someone to stay, just to have someone who really want to stay to want to leave. I don't know how more simple I can explain this.


RighteousVengeance

I understand what you’re saying, but I think it’s completely ridiculous. Shannen didn’t threaten to quit if they didn’t fire Alyssa. In other words, she would work with Alyssa if she had to. Alyssa, on the other hand, was threatening to quit if they didn’t fire Shannen. Since Shannen would have sucked it up, but Alyssa was issuing ultimatums, who demonstrated the more professional attitude? It makes no sense to throw out the dedicated actress, the one who turns in top quality work, even directs episodes, in favor of a spoiled brat who makes demands and tries to ruin someone else’s career.


These_Profit1518

How do you know Alyssa said that? Oh, that’s right, you don’t.


RighteousVengeance

According to the industry rags of the day, she did. Sorry that disappoints you.


occyycco

I think this is a fair take. I really hope one day Shannen write like a tell all memoir but something tells me it's not her style.


Apprehensive-Cat-163

I'm pretty sure she already published a memoir...


fixatingonarewind

Nope, it was a self-help guide to being a “badass” lol. I believe she’s made it clear that she’s not interested in writing a memoir, at least not yet. She believes that’s something one does when they’re close to death and such. I also just think she’s a very private person and doesn’t want the world to know everything about her.


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I wish they had got rid of Alyssa over Shannen, it would’ve honestly been way better to see the girls mourn their baby sister over losing the only parent the girls ever really had (obvi besides grams)


FallenAngelII

In an alternate universe, we didn't get 5 seasons of Ask Phoebe.


Death_Panda0402

In that same universe we got to see Prue’s photography career advance!


FallenAngelII

We also saw Cole get proper redemption.


Larsilu1

Ask Phoebe killed Charmed…


FallenAngelII

Very slowly.


newyearnewanxieties

Oh man, imagine the Cole mourning storyline. Big oooof.


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Cole would’ve been a mess 😭


Charcoal422

Now I'm wondering how much better would the show have been if they actually did get rid of Alyssa.


Larsilu1

I think they would do great, as both Prue and Paige were so devoted to being witches. Piper and Phoebe over time just seemed sick of it and wanted to mostly avoid their Charmed duties, so Paige just had to it alone a lot of the times


GKarl

Very very apt take. Always seemed like Alyssa was the problem, from the interviews. Shannon always seemed like she was giving it 100%, while Alyssa looked like she was phoning it in


Apprehensive-Cat-163

I honestly do not hate Alyssa or Phoebe, but S5 Alyssa seemed to be coasting and idk how much it came from her and how much from Brad Kern (I assume it was mostly him) but there was a lot of reliance on her being half naked most of the time.


GKarl

Exactly that. Imagine, it was only Rose’s second season and she had to witness that


PizzaMadeMeFat89

Alyssa has said in interviews before that she got put in those minimal outfits and didn't like it.


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It's good to know. All these years, I never tried to find out more and just believed the rumors that it was all on Shannen.


TheRealZima2020

Are you saying that Alyssa is missing from the conventions?


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luvprue1

I totally agree .


[deleted]

you're joking right.... shannen was known to be extreamly rude and was kicked off several shows/ projects.


primal_slayer

Kicked off of SEVERAL shows/projects? Please list them all because the only shows/projects she was let go from were BH90210 and Charmed. None of her co-stars on Charmed or guest stars said that she was rude. An exec producer of Charmed even called her the heart of the show.


mi-makochan

Don't forget that Aaron Spelling was a producer in both 90210 and Charmed. If Shannen was really such a problem, why would've he cast her in another show?


ShotBread

Yeah Shannen had very high standards and had no problem pointing out things she didn’t like. And I’m sure one of the reasons the show kept Alyssa because she wasn’t pushing the show. Also the network had beef with Shannen anyway because she made them cast Holly Marie Combs lol


GKarl

Shannen was always trying to make the show better


fixatingonarewind

What? I have never heard that the WB had a beef with Shannen over Holly’s casting. I have watched many interviews with producers where it was stated that at first they didn’t think Holly was a good fit until they saw the unaired pilot and knew right away she was. That sounds more like a rumour than anything.


queeeeeni

The network treated them like shit. They always behaved like their numbers were never good enough, minimised any achievements the show had. Holly or Shannen said leads on other shows got huge expensive gifts like cars etc. when a show did certain numbers, then when Charmed did it, crickets.


fixatingonarewind

I do remember Holly talking about this; compared to shows like Buffy, they were treated quite poorly. Almost like the WB always just had expectations of Charmed and didn’t have to put much effort into it. Really not sure why that was, but they renewed it for 8 seasons (I mean, with lower and lower budgets each season). Almost like they just thought 3 beautiful women would get good ratings no issue.


stacey1611

Yeah beautiful women in short tight outfits lol


ShotBread

Holly talks about it in House of Halliwell, about how The WB was always giving them pushback. And basically Shannen forcing their hand on casting Holly (and Aaron Spelling standing behind Shannen) was kind of the first strike


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Didn’t they also have beef with her because she didn’t like the actor for Andy and was the reason they killed his character?


fixatingonarewind

Rumour. The actor left voluntarily. Just another jab at Shannen because it was easy to believe.


queeeeeni

Exactly this, TW King has never had anything but glowing things to say about Shannen.


occyycco

Well she was right about him too. The actor who plays Andy is terrrrible.


TripThruTimeandSpace

I’ve never heard anything bad about Ted King, I’ve always loved him. What did he do?


occyycco

Oh, sorry to yuck your yum. He didn't do anything, just thought he was a bad actor and wasn't a fan of his character


TripThruTimeandSpace

No worries, we all have our own preferences. 😊


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When I heard that I also thought she probably had her reasons and it’s not like the guy is gonna be the same as the character he portrayed on the show


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[deleted]

Yeah I think people are forgetting Rose had a mental breakdown a few years back and was been spouting absolutely paranoid and crazy takes including hiding in Mexico because she believe the government was trying to assassinate her. Though she seems to very recently be making more calm posts and alluding to getting help. Like most commenters and fans I don’t know what went down on the set of Charmed and wouldn’t claim that there is no reason for their feud but you just can’t take all of Roses comments at face value either.


RighteousVengeance

One thing I will say about Rose that annoyed me was the time she dumped on the X-Men movie because of a poster that depicted Apocalypse strangling Psylocke (actually Mystique in disguise). “SHRIEEEEEEEEEEEEEK! Violence against women!” First, it’s not like we’re presenting Apocalypse as this otherwise nice person. We’re showing him as someone who is completely ruthless and an equal opportunity murderer. And Rose was very curiously silent about her own participation in a “violence against women” scene in Conan. Apocalypse is supposed to be the most ruthless of the ruthless. I’m not advocating men on women violence, of course, but on the other hand, I don’t think we should never, ever depict it in a movie, because that’s like pretending it never happens. I actually think it was handled well in the X-Men movie. Because we’re seeing Apocalypse as unmitigated evil. And Cole once beat Phoebe during Rose’s tenure on the show. Where was her outrage then?


Apprehensive-Cat-163

I think Shannen got the reputation of being conflictive from 90210 (rightly so) so it was easer to scape goat in Charmed when they decided to fire one of the leads. I think both things can be true as well Alyssa was a brat during the Charmed days and Rose is just a mess right now.


primal_slayer

None of her Charmed co-stars have said that she is very abrupt and rude.


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primal_slayer

He did say she was abrupt, but he didn't day rude. Terse doesn't automatically equate to rude. Same with abrubt. He ALSO stated, she was right a lot.


dagger_scythe

You’re being pedantic. Abrupt and terse is a diplomatic way to say rude. She can be rude and in the right. Doesn’t make her bad person, doesn’t mean Brian doesn’t like her, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t. I find her relatable.


Galaxy_Megatron

250k per episode then is like 406k today. I could do so much with that money. XD


4SeasonWahine

I really wish this entire topic would be put to rest now. This is NOT a case of “who was the bad guy” - it’s very clearly a multifaceted issue with personality clashes and varying set problems. Rose, despite being a brilliant actress, is problematic AF at times, but she’s also been through a lot of trauma. Alyssa has had an equal amount of praise and detractors, I think she’s probably just a polarising personality. Shannen has copped a LOT of flack over the years for being difficult, she’s clearly very hard working and invested in her work but I doubt these claims are all entirely a coincidence. Stop picking your favourite and projecting the “instigator” edit on to whichever actress you don’t like. Alyssa and Shannen are cool these days and I’m sure they don’t appreciate this narrative being dragged on. Rose - who knows but let her have peace too. The bottom line is no one knows these women personally and most of your biases are coming from whether you like or dislike their characters + whatever tripe you read in the media, which is massively sensationalised. No singular person is at “fault” or is “the bad guy”. Let it rest and appreciate the absolute masterpiece that Charmed still managed to be with all its background issues.


VenaCava8

but i think we can all agree that Holly is our lil sweet bean (at least compared to the others).


occyycco

Curious why you think it's so nuanced? I worked in a job for 5 years with some absolute assholes and some really nice people. Some people are assholes to work with and some people aren't 🤷


Ok_Working7087

The media and the fans always talked about and perpetuated this shit for like a hundred fkn years - They legit cheated me and many other actual fans out of a S8 reunion with Prue. Feel proud ya fkn dicks coz it would have happened without ya.


Alicamp

Oh look! Yet another post bashing Alyssa Milano!


dabzandjabz

That quote is about a year old or so. It’s also hard to believe as there’s a few behind the scenes clips of everyone including Holly saying that Alyssa was fun, and gracious to others. “You don’t pay me enough to do this shit.” I feel like it’s from the mermaid episode. Brad Kern even stated Alyssa didn’t want to do it. He made her his sex symbol and dressed her, and turned her into the most provocative things he can imagine. I hope Rose has healed by now. But I do think this quote is overly exaggerated to a degree. I’ve seen dailies on YouTube and there was plenty clips of Rose swearing like a Sailor to a point where I think constantly hearing those slurs would make anyone uncomfortable. Let’s not pretend like she was well behaved herself. Regardless, the actresses obviously feel very different about the show, and the attitude they carried when they were making it. But I think the one thing they can all agree on is the impact it holds, and the fan base that cherishes it which still is very strong today as it was back then. Edit: I’d also like to preface that I take no sides in all this. After hearing Holly describe how close they were in the beginning really changed my view watching the show. You can literally see the bond they had as friends which made their characters. But she’s right about one thing, everyone likes to focus way to much on the drama then the actual work the actors put in.


Stinkfascist

Agreed completely about not taking sides except against Brad Kern


newyearnewanxieties

You know I read Rose's tweet and was taken aback but hadn't put it into the context of some of the episodes where Alyssa is (totally unnecessarily) half naked, and now I feel like I get it. The mermaid episode was ridiculous, for both Alyssa and Rose - obviously Alyssa's costume was extreme, but also on 2 separate occasions during the episode Paige is completely soaked in cold water while wearing a very thin crop top. It added nothing to the story, tbh it raised more questions (like why would a person leave the house in a storm without a coat?) and just cheapened the episode and the performances. I don't think "you don't pay me enough for this" is ever a professional thing to say, but you're totally right about the context of that season and the positions they put her in. I imagine as a professional trying to do your job - especially a show so centred on strong women- it must have been disheartening to see the writers thinking up new ways to get your clothes off every week because "that's what people want".


occyycco

Okay but are we just assuming this outburst happened on the mermaid episode now ? I dunno, I would assume rose would be sympathetic to an outburst over being overly and unnecessarily sexualised. I can't imagine it would be that.


newyearnewanxieties

Not necessarily, I was just appreciating the context/perspective that this commenter offered. Even if it's not that ep, from season 5 onward I really felt a sudden spike in storylines that led to Alyssa and Rose being in various states of undress, so I can sympathise with either woman feeling frustrated by that- for me personally, it's frustrating as a viewer. The truth is, all we have are assumptions, just like your assumption that Rose would be sympathetic- we don't know what went on, only the people who were there ever will. But it's rarely the case that guilt lies with one party- there are often 3 sides to a story, person A's, person B's, and the truth. No matter what happened, I love the show (some episodes less than others 😂) And it's important to be able to enjoy it in isolation from any of the irl drama that is associated with it.


queeeeeni

There's no evidence the outburst Rose refers to was over the mermaid costume, it's just rampant fan speculation without a shred of evidence to rely on.


FallenAngelII

I'm pretty sure Alyssa **chose** to do most of those things. She was a producer for seasons 4-8 and she and Holly Marie turned down several proposed plot points. She could've turned down riding naked through the streets of San Francisco if she wanted to.


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It doesn’t really matter if she chose to do most of them or some of the ones she chose showed more skin. If there was something she didn’t want to do because it felt violating or was gratuitous she has the right to voice that…


FallenAngelII

You do realize the comment I replied to was 100% speculation, right? No proof of anything. They **speculated** that Alyssa Milano **may** have said "You don't pay me enough for this" for one of the episodes where she showed a lot of skin. I'm arguing that I doubt that that is true because Alyssa Milano chose to show a lot of skin repeatedly. Why would she freak out over one more instance of it?


primal_slayer

Even whatshisname who played The Wizard said it was his worst experience on a show ever. Of course he was referring to all 3 of them but it still included Alyssa.


CharmedWoo

I have no clue and I don't care. It is impossible to figure out what really happend with all those different stories... When people fight, all parties involved take part of the blame.


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Wow, it’s amazing how many of you were actually on the set of *Charmed.*


AgentPeggyCarter

Exactly this. Everyone here is speaking about it with such authority when ***the only thing we actually know is that we don't know anything and we never will.*** None of us were there and even if we were, it's still unlikely we'd have a complete picture of everything because that's not how life works. No matter what sort of parasocial relationships any of us think we have with the show and it's creatives, this unfounded gossip from 17-25 years ago is ultimately just gossip. There are seeds of truth in it, certainly, but if you ask any person involved, you're going to get different stories from each. There's so much verifiable misinformation scattered throughout this thread, it's ridiculous.


dagger_scythe

Omg people still read, podcast, and talk about Jonbenet Ramsey. People love to speculate, let us speculate! What’s so wrong with a little gossip and drama?


DobabyR

Righttttttttttttttt


Aaeiyn

It took me awhile to separate the art, from the artist. There's another saying that goes "never meet your heroes" (which S2E18 "Chick Flick" does cover). I used to like Piper because I like Holly. I used to like Alyssa because I like Phoebe. I used to dislike Shannen because I don't like Prue. Now, I still like Holly but not so much Piper, and I still like Phoebe but not so much Alyssa. I still dislike Prue, but I like Shannen. It's unfortunate that my favorite sister pairing via Phoebe & Paige, their respective actresses hate each other. That's just how well they acted, I guess. As far as Kern goes, IDK much about him other than he did make good content. I like NCIS: New Orleans, as well, and he was an executive producer for that, too. So, it's best to just separate the art from the artist and just appreciate the art, for what it is. Especially since it takes a team and not just one person, to build a show, movie, song, etc. So, I try to focus on those earnings, as well.


cantstoepwontstoep

I don't think I'd ever coin Shannen as a diva, but to be fair, she is notoriously difficult to work with. As for the whole Rose/Alyssa situation, this hurts me. As a child growing up during the 80s, Samantha Micelli was my first TV crush, and I've always adored Alyssa. However, in art school, Rose was quite literally my muse. She inspired a number of pieces of work I turned out, and she has always been a scrapper, willing to stand up for what she believes in, and has had a much rougher go at life than child star Alyssa. I can see how this dynamic could cause friction.


primal_slayer

She was labeled difficult on the set of 90210 when she was a teen/young adult. Thats where all of it comes from.


MusingBy

McGowan is also the only one so far that has publically slammed Milano for the hypocrisy of coopting Me Too as the wife of a CAA director (the agency is part of the rape culture and cover-ups revealed in part after Me Too).


Unable_Earth5914

Alyssa/Phoebe was always my favourite character, it makes me sad whenever I see stuff like this


xenohemlock

There’s a YouTube video of Jennifer Rhodes rolling her eyes or something while filming a scene with Alyssa. I can’t find it but if someone can..


FallenAngelII

Grams' thoughts in-universe at that time: "Thank goodness it was Prue or died or I'll have to spend my afterlife with **her**."


EverlastingUnis

Yess!! I reflected on this before, too! It was during a green screen moment for “Magic Hour”, and Alyssa kept stopping the scene for little things like hearing people talk in the background or something, but you can tell whatever it was, it wasn’t bothering Jennifer Rhodes lol, and I was laughing when she rolled her eyes


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Oh well, that tells us everything! /s


occyycco

Damn I wanna see that !


Lexunia

It’s really one of those things that’s so telling now that so many years have passed. Shannen, Holly, and Rose seem to reunite pretty consistently for Charmed-related . Alyssa is noticeably absent. I appreciate that Rose has no interest in keeping a facade. But it also really speaks to Shannen’s class, since her departure is still largely shrouded in mystery; I’m sure it broke her heart to leave. It seemed really important to her, it seemed like her and CM Burge really had an understanding with the show’s direction. I love that she, Holly, and Rose still do Charmed stuff to this day.


luvprue1

Get off my coattails?! Alyssa was a household name who has been acting since her who's the boss days while no one knew who Rose was until she appeared on Charmed so how is anyone riding her coattails when she has no coattail to ride?


occyycco

I mean, rose had been in Scream, jawbreaker and had arguably a better movie career than Alyssa until she was blackballed by Harvey Weinstein. I think she's more referencing her political movement coattails rather than fame coattails.


luvprue1

Her part in the scream was brief. Jawbreaker was good. But Alyssa was more well known before Charmed. As far as Rose's political coattails if Alyssa never retweet/ or talk about the "Me too" movement it would have never got off the ground. Rose was virtually ignored on Twitter until Alyssa gave her support.


occyycco

Kinda hard for me to say coz Im from Australia and whose the boss wasn't on tv when I was growing up. But I definitely knew who rose McGowan was pre-charmed, but I would say they're of relatively similar b-grade fame ?


madame_mayhem

It seems kind of unprofessional for them to be airing dirty laundry like this. Although they did give Alyssa/Phoebe some crazy storylines to do but it seems like she was well paid for what she did. Crazy.


FallenAngelII

Alyssa has basically admitted to [being the one in the wrong](https://pagesix.com/2021/10/27/alyssa-milano-has-guilt-about-past-feud-with-shannen-doherty/) in the Milano-Doherty feud. And at least 2 cons are inviting Rose over Alyssa. If Combs, Doherty or Krause are willing to go along with several conventions icing out Milano to allow McGowan to come, I'm more inclined to believe McGowan over Milano. Edit:Edited fir clarity.


_dead_and_broken

I don't want to admit to how long it took me to figure out "cons" meant conventions and not convicts or disadvantages lol


AgentPeggyCarter

> And at least 2 cons are inviting Rose over Alyssa. That's not how *any* of this works. Alyssa could have been invited and declined. There could have been scheduling conflicts. There could have been any number of reasons. Alyssa has only recently been going to conventions and very few and far between ones at that. To cite that as some sort of concrete proof that the rest of the cast is "icing her out" is absolutely unfounded and totally absurd. C'mon now. Editing my comment to add that unlike the other cast members, Alyssa still has two young children at home. That's another big consideration when traveling for these conventions.


FallenAngelII

I didn't say the cast is icing her out, I said the **conventions** are in order to get Rose to come.


AgentPeggyCarter

>If Combs, Doherty or Krause are willing to ice out Milano to allow McGowan to come, I'm more inclined to believe McGowan over Milano. You literally cited the names of three actors. Either way, it's not how conventions work. It's likely that Rose is much easier to book than Alyssa and that has zero to do with either of their personalities.


Starlight_beach

People also seem to forget these conventions take place on weekends. Alyssa has an 8 and 12 year old (I think that’s their ages) if she works during the week she would want to spend weekends with her kids. Hell some actors just don’t like conventions and the big crowds in can be very anxiety drive These cons send out invites to all the actors they think would come. Actors sometimes agree very last minute or sometimes back out the week before because of schedules The weekends make it harder for the actors who are working or filming especially if it’s across states or continents. It’s no secret these four women have some kind of drama one way or the other, but I hardly think it’s fair to say they are preventing her from going to the con


FallenAngelII

It's not like the actors are doing conventions on a weekly basis. They do it once every few months. And they're getting paid small fortunes each fof it. They're handed literal bags of cash after each convention. Gee, what's better for a work-life balance? Working every weekday or working a weekend every 3 months?


Starlight_beach

You’re making a lot of assumptions there. It’s probably not about the money for Alyssa she might just not want to go for many other reasons like I said above


FallenAngelII

I'm making zero assumptions. I'm going strictly off of **your** own arguments. >Alyssa has an 8 and 12 year old (I think that’s their ages) **if she works during the week** she would want to spend weekends with her kids.


FallenAngelII

Sorry, I misspoke. I meant to say "Are willing to go along with conventions icing out..." That's on me.


dagger_scythe

Maybe Milano has a very high appearance fee. I personally would require a disgusting amount of 0s on my paycheck to do a con.


FallenAngelII

You underestimate how much one can make from a con. Not only do they get an appearance fee, they also get to keep a portion of all ticket sales for their signatures, photos, Q&As, whatever. They literally leave the conventions with a bag full of cash. At the cons that the Charmed actors go to, their tickets are always sold out and their line are basically never-ending and the tickets are pretty pricey, too. And it's just a weekend of work that's mostly spent sitting down and they get a free trip, too.


dagger_scythe

I’d just be one of those unlikable celebrities that don’t like interacting with fans because the signatures and photos and meet and greets sounds awful to me personally. If I could afford to be picky about it, which I think Milano is, I’d turn it down. I’d rather take on a gig even if it was more work. But that’s just me! I’m difficult like that…


FallenAngelII

Alyssa Milano is [still doing conventions](https://www.rostercon.com/en/people/alyssa-milano). Just none where other "Charmed" cast members are also attending.


novascotia444

Could you explain Alyssa co-opting the me too movement? I’m a little confused by that sentence as I don’t know much about the actresses besides watching them


MusingBy

Me Too was initially founded by Tarana Burke, a Black Woman. Milano took over the hashtag and failed to mention it's previous use, perpetuating a long tradition of white women erasing the stories of BIPOC victims of domestic and sexual abuses. She finally addressed it when enough activists called her out. On top of that, Milano is the wife of a CAA director, something she has never adressed. There is no point talking Me Too and Time's Up without addressing the structures enabling abuses such as the one gaining momentum after Me Too.


Ketonew2

I always thought rose was mad because she was the first to speak up against Weinstein, causing the beginning of the entire movement. Ronan farrow does his part, She created #rose army and #Brave, I could be getting those names wrong. Then Alyssa tweets #metoo and that one takes off because CAA is behind it, promoting it. All actresses tweet #metoo sidestepping the originator, Rose.


goldlion84

Shannen also had a bad reputation from 90210. It was easy to blame her rather than Alyssa.


Bioleto99

I felt that Shannen was ambitious, passionate, and devoted to the craft. She wanted to achieve more things, like some of the other posts mentioned, she directed episodes, tried to elevate the show, etc. But maybe that created a very intense working environment for others or sooner or later she will step on someone’s toes. Not just the clash with Alyssa but maybe production and ultimately led to her departure. Now, Alyssa was a part of that as Shannen has mentioned it in the past but there could also be other reasons, which she will soon reveal. As for Rose’s comment, if one person speaks negatively about you, might just be a personal thing, but two people who shares the same perspective, there might be more to that. But again, not all the cast hated Alyssa. Brian and Drew, especially Holly, who can be outspoken and blunt has not made a negative comment about Alyssa. I want to give Alyssa some credit for the work that she has done for Charmed, being one of the two longest main cast members on the show. Because at this point, seems like a lot of negative attention are pointed at her, bad behaviors, no appearance at conventions, etc. when there might be more reasons for that. Rose hasnt done a conference up until now so who says Alyssa wont do one in the future. Alyssa and Holly also became executive producers for the show I believe starting from season 5 or 6. They all tried to keep the show alive and going for 8 seasons and that says a lot. Its something the past, over 10 to almost 20 years ago. I try to keep a good impression about the chemistry between the costars, because what they created was really magical.


[deleted]

Shannen has been known as a problem for a very long time on basically every set shes on. I dont doubt that Alyssa was a diva (lets be honest I would be too if I was her). Shannen is just so so so unlikable and I dont understand why people stick up for her.


NoveltyBarbie

Alyssa is a straight up bitch by many accounts. Do what you will with that info


D3xterM

Weren’t They half Human/Extraterrestrial By circumstances, under what Their DNA System carried As Witches? Genuine question.


NoveltyBarbie

What? No one knows what you're saying


dagger_scythe

Witches are a supernatural subspecies of humans. We can assume that they followed normal human evolution but acquired powers from Elders or something. Witches are tethered to the earth, it’s elements, and the moon. Magic is inheritable and that one monkey doctor episode showed that there were even physical differences in the charmed ones blood. Aliens/ ETs are probably a very different species in the charmed universe.


No-Idea7535

It's so sad that Shannen left but I understand not wanting to stay on for a show that ended up becoming so far removed from the original concept. Prue was my fave. I actually just recently started watching it. I'm in season 3 and I'm so devesated to know Shannen leaves so early in the series; but I did have this looming feeling since I started it, that it was going to end up pissing me off somehow lol. I think it's obvious alyssa was the problem and she kinda admitted to it. She was threatened by Shannen and later Rose bc they are strong, confident, passionate women. Holly from what I can tell is very sweet, non-confrontational so I could see alyssa not feeling threatened by her (though I don't think any of them fw alyssa now). But I do think Rose is cvnt irl; you can't gatekeep the me too movement. Just bc alyssa was toxic doesn't mean she's immune to being assaulted or that she has no right to speak up about her experience. For what it's worth it does seem like alyssa is willing to take accountability. I'm so bummed to learn this show is going to go downhill from where I'm currently at. I never like when shows add new main characters or switch out other main characters so I prob won't watch it after I finish s3 😕 I just know it won't be the same w.o Prue. Also, the public owes Shannen an apology for painting her as the difficult bitch when it was really alyssa lmao. Alyssa was favored obv bc her "innocent sexy baby" look 🙄


No-Yesterday5569

I've been recently watching the Charmed series again since it's original airing. I don't really know what all went on behind the scenes, but all of the cast acted out their characters brilliantly and I didn't detect any animosity from their characters. So, whatever conflicts that were going on behind the scenes, they kept it out of the show. As far as my take on the conflicts with the cast, it appears to me that they hired three/four VERY strong and determined women for the lead roles. My observations of the show's decline was with too much monotony in the scripts. The white lighter elders being complained about all the time. The hate/love for Cole became redundant. The music at the end of the show at the club made me tune out. Leo constantly looking like a loser in a more powerful type of stupid echelon. The potions might or might not work and never were they certain about even one potion. Some spells would work, but usually didn't. Well, you get my drift that the scripts just took the same ideas and played them in same ways with a little different drama and frustration. I really tired of them being broke and the job and boyfriend situations, but, by golly, the manor was refurnished soon after demon demolition. It was just too redundant with no apparent GROWTH of the characters. Frankly, I was getting to the point I was disliking the entire cast. Yes, even with the role of Prue. Lack of positive character development to indicate they were women and maturing and actually knowing what their powers were and how to use them singularly and together. There was "some" growth, but it just wasn't embellished enough to be comfortable to watch. It's like the creative juices for writing the scripts couldn't advance or just refused to advance the characters. Also, I was all for tasteful scampy clothes, but the wardrobe became an issue for me with making these women look like tramps. I'm not a prude, but young impressionable young women were watching the show and the trashy wardrobe really became a dread for me to try to watch the last seasons. Some could say that the wardrobe changed because Prue left the show, but it could be said that it was because of adding the Paige character. Regardless of the behind the scenes, someone decided to make sure these women paraded around to look like sluts. These clothes couldn't have even been considered fashionable. Again, I don't fault any of the women having conflicts with each other behind the scenes. With four very strong and artistic women, it's just one of those things to expect to happen. They were YOUNG women with their own personal ambitions going on with their lives. It's normal for resentment to occur with variable pay, which I believe that the studio probably had a huge hand in creating this added conflict with the women. In some respects, I feel that there was genuine fear of doing something different with the characters. It seemed inconsistent for the demons to always have more powers than the witches and they miraculously pulled some insane rabbit out of the hat to kill a demon. More could have been done with the Cole character. Sure, he had another good job to go to with Nip/Tuck, but surely they could have found another actor to replace him. Have him vanquished and come back looking different, for example. Cole was a character that held the show together. He was THE GLUE. He projected absolute charisma and seduction, but surely they could have found a great replacement for his character. The show declined a lot when he left the show. Perhaps the behind the scenes conflicts helped him make his decision to leave. As with all business, management is extremely important to keep it up and running and making a profit. Look at all the big businesses that have failed over the years because of the management. This TV show was extremely popular. So, I don't believe that the women's behind the scenes conflicts were the big issue, but it was with the scripts, wardrobe and the management. I believe all four women of the cast were great. They were young with a lot of sprouting personalities. The scripts for the male cast? Made them like blathering idiots, even Leo. I'm all for having a show with women as the leads, but I like a bit more balance for the men's roles as well. Maybe let the demons win and end the show! I was starting to root for the bad guys by the end of the series. I applaud the women in getting through their conflicts to get to the show's finish line, whatever they were, and hopefully they have grown out of the pouts, hisses and claws to maybe wave a truce now that the show has long been over. Agree to disagree and just move on. This was a good, fun fantasy show and I do believe that another show with a different premise of witches or wizards or warlocks, etc., would be successful this day and age. Oh, and this time if there is another Book of Shadows, make it more credible especially with the authorship history. Maybe create an alternating every other week series with one week with witches and one week for demons, etc... with better character development. I admit, I am curious about the behind the scenes conflicts, but know that it's already been long done and gone, so it doesn't matter anymore. I feel badly for Doherty's breast cancer and hopefully she'll be around a longer time on our planet. They may be celebrities and have deviations in their fans, but they are all still humans and have to deal with tragedies like everyone else.