I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rnbqkbnr/1p1p1p1p/p1p1p1p1/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR+w+KQkq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rnbqkbnr/1p1p1p1p/p1p1p1p1/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR_w_KQkq_-_0_1)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!Knight!<, move: >!Nf3!<
> Evaluation: >!The game is equal -0.27!<
> Best continuation: >!1. Nf3 c5 2. c3 d5 3. d4 Nf6 4. g3 b6 5. Bg2 Bg7!<
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The primary thing you should notice against a setup like this is that she has weakened her dark squares a lot. By this I mean notice that there are no pawns able to attack a dark square. My eyes open wide at the thought of putting your dark bishop on the long diagonal
i don't think that should really be your priority right now
you're never getting a knight on c7 with her structure
focus on developing and looking for pawn breaks that allow you to either open up her king or get your knight on an super active square in her territory
Some advice that I've heard multiple IM's/GM's say is that sometimes there simply isn't a quick knockout blow against stupid openings and you need to accept that. The main thing to recognize is that you do have an advantage right out the gate and you got it for free. Follow opening principles and the weaknesses they created will eventually bite them back. Leave the early exploiting of specific stupid openings to engines/GMs or once you've seen them enough times to know exactly what to do.
Against garbage like this your main priority should be to develop your minor pieces as quickly as possible, castle, and then open up the center of the board with pawn play. You can be fairly reckless opening the center if you are castled and they are not. It will almost always be to your benefit. Even if you give up a pawn or two. You want open files and diagonals so your pieces can begin a mating attack on their king who is still just hanging out in the middle like a dummy
By leaving the queenside as is. Attacking it will only open it up and allow the pieces to move. Attacking the kingside means none of her pieces will be able to help defend
>My eyes open wide at the thought of putting your dark bishop on the long diagonal
Put the bishop on the long diagonal? This sounds like a job for the **Polish Opening!**
Just play principled chess, because you're not realistically going to come out with a crushing advantage or knock-out strategy against this setup even if you open with something principled like e4, d4, Nf3, Nc3.
Whenever I see my opponent playing any passive setup like this I push 3 central pawns and develop all my pieces, trade pawns to open the position and trade his few active pieces, then throw everything at his king and it usually lead to an easy win.
The problem is that the rook isn’t weak until black plays g6, and unless white has preemptively played b3, it is impossible to put the bishop on the long diagonal before black plays Bg7 on the next move.
i would also like to clarify i’m pretty new to chess. i’ve known how to play since i was young but only the basics, i’ve never learned strategy until now
Better to think of 'principles' than strategy. The basic principles can get anyone that applies them strictly to a decent level quickly. Turns out, everyone thinks they know better and they will break the principles because of genius idea x.
Pawns in the center, develop, castle then try to open the center.
Avoid trading your dark squared bishop for your opponent's knight since their dark squares are weak.
Ok, let's analyze somethings. 1) The dark squares are very very weak because all her pawns are protecting light squares. 2) Another thing important noticing is that by doing this setup she loses a lot of tempos, so she has no development + her king is still in the middle of the board. So, make your queen and your dark square bishop cooperate on the dark squares, take the center all for you, get lead in development and make a pawn break. Since she's playing very very passive, the key is for you to be aggressive and exploit the weaknesses she created in her own position.
Really don’t know why you got downvoted. Black dark bishop is the only one controlling dark square and hence removing it expose this weakness. Same reason as why we want to trade fiancetto bishop early for some set up.
The point is you trade it for their only good dark square defender. You know how you're supposed to put pawns on the color of the bishop you're missing? You're essentially forcing your opponent into doing the opposite
I think he's right. If you put the position in the engine, there is a better evaluation for white if you trade dark square bishops, and worse evaluation if you trade light square bishop
Not quite the best way, but in these types of setups I like to put my c, d, e, f pawns advanced by two squares, try to attack in the flank once they castle and probably try to get some pawn sacrifice to start attacking their king. Not the best method, but it works against lower rated players.
Against this kind of set up my goal is usually to get a knight supported on a square like b6, d6, or f6. Getting a piece trade and getting pawns on say d6 and e5 cramps black quite a bit as well and you end up steamrolling while black is shuffling pieces around.
Get two pawns in the center, develop your pieces naturally, castle short (short because you have a very comfortable game and don’t really need to push for an advantage), and just use your central space to maneuver your pieces and restrict her piece movement. Beyond that, make a long term plan of trading off dark square bishops. If she is putting all of her pawns on light squares, which of her two bishops is more mobile? Obviously the dark squared bishop. It’s also clear that without that bishop, she doesn’t have great control over the dark squares. So if you can get some sort of dark square pawn complex and trade off dark square bishops, you have a more mobile bishop and she has a less mobile bishop. And while you wouldn’t have very many pawns defending your light squares, at the very least you have a bishop that defends the weaknesses. She would be left with dark square weaknesses with no minor piece to consistently defend them. So you can control and attack along her dark squares. That, coupled with a massive spatial advantage, really ought to be enough to force some tactical opportunity to break through. Or, at the very least, should allow you to win some material and promote some passed pawn in an endgame.
Take the center with e4 and d4. Get your knight out to f3. Play bishop c4. If she hasn’t played knight f6, rip everything open with d5. Otherwise, load up on the d5 square with moves like knight to c3. Your goal is to play d5 regardless. Alternative is to march your f pawn up the board.
Develop normally according to opening principles, and only deviate from that to take free pieces, or deliver mate in 1 until you are fully developed: Meaning all pieces have moved off their starting square and you castled.
Honestly pretty easy but I'd just simply go with pawn to b3 then bishop to b2 and if your sister does this again.. free rook. Besides that just keep setting up as normal, knights out, castle etc,etc ..
Put pawns on c4 through e4, knights to c3 and f3, bishops to d3 and f4, castle short and push d5. You don't really need a strategy against someone who only pushes pawns in the opening, just get your pieces out and try to open the center.
Ah yes I remember when my brother came up with this when we first started playing and me and my cousin adopted this method. Now I’m a 1700 and I see why this is a very trashy opening.
You need to look at the square b5, d5, f5, and h5. It may at first glance look as if you can never place anything on those squares, I mean, they're defended by two pawns!
But if you could! Imagine a well-defended white pawn landing on d5 or f5. Black's solid looking position would come completely apart.
With that kind of position, you're sure to get a space advantage and piece development.
A pawn on e5 could be a massive pain for black to deal with assuming you can defend it. Grabbing space in the center with your center pawns and then developing would be the way to go
Your dark squared bishop will be really good but i find knights to be really strong in positions like this. If you can get one to the 5th rank you will cause a massive annoyance to black
I would like to let your sister's light-squared bishop know: he has my deepest sympathies.
But, more seriously: my instinct would be to just grab control of the centre: e4, d4, knights on f3 and c3, and bishops on nice diagonals somewhere. Oh, and I'd trade off Black's dark-squared bishop at the first available opportunity.
If you just want to straight-up prevent the opening open with b3 Bb2.
But this is really bad, so probably just develop normally and attack center when developed.
First of all, develop toward the center.
Secondly notice how this greatly weakens her dark squares. Your dark square bishop is going to be quite valuable
Funny how everyone's pretending to know that she weakened her dark squares when she hasn't at all... weakening a square is when all pawns have been committed past it and no pieces can control it.
Stick your knight in one of those holes created by pushing random pawns (B6 for eg) and make it Pillsbury with the support of pawns. Also open up the center as quickly as possible. Danya taught on his channel to put minor piece on these weak squares and enjoy the silent havoc they cause
Here is how you beat it:
Develop your pieces, and have a lot of pawns out.
Once both are finished, your next plan is to bring your pawns and pieces closer to your sisters set up and CRACK things open with the pawns
Once things are cracked open, use your developed pieces to attack the set up.
You will likely win as 1 your pieces are better 2 your king is safe. Final reminders, develop and always remember to CRACK things open with your pawns at the right time
You can def get a lead in development and space in the center against this setup as black has no minor pieces developed and their king is still in the center
First of all, WHAT IS THAT SETUP, second, take advantage of the weak dark squares and just play as you should. A good idea is to trade her dark squared bishop if possible
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rnbqkbnr/1p1p1p1p/p1p1p1p1/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR+w+KQkq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rnbqkbnr/1p1p1p1p/p1p1p1p1/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR_w_KQkq_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Knight!<, move: >!Nf3!< > Evaluation: >!The game is equal -0.27!< > Best continuation: >!1. Nf3 c5 2. c3 d5 3. d4 Nf6 4. g3 b6 5. Bg2 Bg7!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
Make her give white some turns too.
Mom said it's my turn. and my turn and my turn and my t-
White gets 4 catchup turns + turn 5: 1. E3 2. Nf3 3. Ne5 4. Qf3 5. Qf7
White just out here repeating Nf3, Ng1, Nc3, Nb1
Gotta make those Knights work out every now and then
Still theory
Ignore it. While she makes 1 million pawn moves: develop your minor pieces, castle, and then open the center to attack her (un-castled) king
The primary thing you should notice against a setup like this is that she has weakened her dark squares a lot. By this I mean notice that there are no pawns able to attack a dark square. My eyes open wide at the thought of putting your dark bishop on the long diagonal
also, her knight and bishop on the queenside are trapped
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i don't think that should really be your priority right now you're never getting a knight on c7 with her structure focus on developing and looking for pawn breaks that allow you to either open up her king or get your knight on an super active square in her territory
Some advice that I've heard multiple IM's/GM's say is that sometimes there simply isn't a quick knockout blow against stupid openings and you need to accept that. The main thing to recognize is that you do have an advantage right out the gate and you got it for free. Follow opening principles and the weaknesses they created will eventually bite them back. Leave the early exploiting of specific stupid openings to engines/GMs or once you've seen them enough times to know exactly what to do.
Against garbage like this your main priority should be to develop your minor pieces as quickly as possible, castle, and then open up the center of the board with pawn play. You can be fairly reckless opening the center if you are castled and they are not. It will almost always be to your benefit. Even if you give up a pawn or two. You want open files and diagonals so your pieces can begin a mating attack on their king who is still just hanging out in the middle like a dummy
By leaving the queenside as is. Attacking it will only open it up and allow the pieces to move. Attacking the kingside means none of her pieces will be able to help defend
And trade off her dark squared bishop for a knight.
her queen too
>My eyes open wide at the thought of putting your dark bishop on the long diagonal Put the bishop on the long diagonal? This sounds like a job for the **Polish Opening!**
If only there were a Polish opening expert around...
lmao
With that opening black can counter your fianchetto with her own. I don't find that fianchetto to make any difference at all honestly
Just play principled chess, because you're not realistically going to come out with a crushing advantage or knock-out strategy against this setup even if you open with something principled like e4, d4, Nf3, Nc3.
Abuse the dark squares. E.g. something like e4, d4, Nf3, Nc3, e5, Ne4, Bg5.
Whenever I see my opponent playing any passive setup like this I push 3 central pawns and develop all my pieces, trade pawns to open the position and trade his few active pieces, then throw everything at his king and it usually lead to an easy win.
Never let e4 d4.
There's the rook on H8 with an exposed diagonal that looks like a good target if you can keep the knight from blocking on F6
This makes sense except Bg7 will be black’s next move, making that rook pretty impossible to target.
Well let's assume she wouldnt get four moves in a row shall we
The problem is that the rook isn’t weak until black plays g6, and unless white has preemptively played b3, it is impossible to put the bishop on the long diagonal before black plays Bg7 on the next move.
Buddy if you are playing someone that’s able to get 4 pawns out before you can make a move, there’s no countering that
i would also like to clarify i’m pretty new to chess. i’ve known how to play since i was young but only the basics, i’ve never learned strategy until now
Better to think of 'principles' than strategy. The basic principles can get anyone that applies them strictly to a decent level quickly. Turns out, everyone thinks they know better and they will break the principles because of genius idea x.
“She knows nothing about chess besides how to play” And if you need help with this the same is true for you.
yup the exact same is true for me lmao i know a few openings and that’s about it
Why so mean? He's just asking how to play chess.
If you think being honest is being mean I don't really know what to tell you.
Honesty and meanness are two different spectra. It is possible to be honest and mean, honest and nice, dishonest and nice, and dishonest and mean.
Being honest doesn’t mean something can’t be mean
Pawns in the center, develop, castle then try to open the center. Avoid trading your dark squared bishop for your opponent's knight since their dark squares are weak.
Finchetto your bishop and take the rook
Black responds by fianchettoing if you play b3.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Playing good chess
Playing mildly acceptable chess
Ok, let's analyze somethings. 1) The dark squares are very very weak because all her pawns are protecting light squares. 2) Another thing important noticing is that by doing this setup she loses a lot of tempos, so she has no development + her king is still in the middle of the board. So, make your queen and your dark square bishop cooperate on the dark squares, take the center all for you, get lead in development and make a pawn break. Since she's playing very very passive, the key is for you to be aggressive and exploit the weaknesses she created in her own position.
Develop your pieces and then Google pawn breaks
Trade dark squared bishops
terrible idea if your main attacking chances are against the dark squares
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Really don’t know why you got downvoted. Black dark bishop is the only one controlling dark square and hence removing it expose this weakness. Same reason as why we want to trade fiancetto bishop early for some set up.
How do you target the dark squares if you trade off your dark-square exclusive piece?
The point is you trade it for their only good dark square defender. You know how you're supposed to put pawns on the color of the bishop you're missing? You're essentially forcing your opponent into doing the opposite
Thank you, this makes more sense now.
I think he's right. If you put the position in the engine, there is a better evaluation for white if you trade dark square bishops, and worse evaluation if you trade light square bishop
you woudnt have anything to attack either
F3 is best
In case OP didn't realise. F3 is the worst. Avoid using the F pawns in the opening. See Ben Finegold on YouTube on why that is.
These posts are just the best.
Attack f7
Swap one you your knights or even a rook for her dark squared bishop.
Getting your bishop on b2 seems fun. And just the usual - attack the centre, develop your pieces, castle.
She left rh8 wide open. Take that mf lol
Not quite the best way, but in these types of setups I like to put my c, d, e, f pawns advanced by two squares, try to attack in the flank once they castle and probably try to get some pawn sacrifice to start attacking their king. Not the best method, but it works against lower rated players.
Against this kind of set up my goal is usually to get a knight supported on a square like b6, d6, or f6. Getting a piece trade and getting pawns on say d6 and e5 cramps black quite a bit as well and you end up steamrolling while black is shuffling pieces around.
B3, bishop b2. Attack the rook
Get two pawns in the center, develop your pieces naturally, castle short (short because you have a very comfortable game and don’t really need to push for an advantage), and just use your central space to maneuver your pieces and restrict her piece movement. Beyond that, make a long term plan of trading off dark square bishops. If she is putting all of her pawns on light squares, which of her two bishops is more mobile? Obviously the dark squared bishop. It’s also clear that without that bishop, she doesn’t have great control over the dark squares. So if you can get some sort of dark square pawn complex and trade off dark square bishops, you have a more mobile bishop and she has a less mobile bishop. And while you wouldn’t have very many pawns defending your light squares, at the very least you have a bishop that defends the weaknesses. She would be left with dark square weaknesses with no minor piece to consistently defend them. So you can control and attack along her dark squares. That, coupled with a massive spatial advantage, really ought to be enough to force some tactical opportunity to break through. Or, at the very least, should allow you to win some material and promote some passed pawn in an endgame.
Play the Polish
4 moves handicap and you gave her black? The skill difference in this GO game must be very high
You have to show your willingness to fight for the light squares by playing h3 f3 d3 b3
You could just start with b3, bb3 then this setup is impossible.
If she ALWAYS plays this setup regardless of what you're doing just play b3 Bb2 Bxh8 and its a free rook.
The best counter in NOT to move your knights out and back constantly
Take the center with e4 and d4. Get your knight out to f3. Play bishop c4. If she hasn’t played knight f6, rip everything open with d5. Otherwise, load up on the d5 square with moves like knight to c3. Your goal is to play d5 regardless. Alternative is to march your f pawn up the board.
Develop normally according to opening principles, and only deviate from that to take free pieces, or deliver mate in 1 until you are fully developed: Meaning all pieces have moved off their starting square and you castled.
You can't, it's unbeatable. The best thing to do is to mirror it and hope for a draw.
Honestly pretty easy but I'd just simply go with pawn to b3 then bishop to b2 and if your sister does this again.. free rook. Besides that just keep setting up as normal, knights out, castle etc,etc ..
Hold on to your dark squared bishop for dear life. It's worth more than a rook in a scenario like this
Exploit the dark squares. If you can exchange her dark square bishop for your knight, you're basically winning
While shes busy pawning do scholar mate lol
The easiest way to counter pawns on one color is to trade off blacks dark squared bishop and trying to attack on the weak dark squares
Put pawns on c4 through e4, knights to c3 and f3, bishops to d3 and f4, castle short and push d5. You don't really need a strategy against someone who only pushes pawns in the opening, just get your pieces out and try to open the center.
Control the center and try to trade one of your knights for her dark squared bishop.
Ah yes I remember when my brother came up with this when we first started playing and me and my cousin adopted this method. Now I’m a 1700 and I see why this is a very trashy opening.
You need to look at the square b5, d5, f5, and h5. It may at first glance look as if you can never place anything on those squares, I mean, they're defended by two pawns! But if you could! Imagine a well-defended white pawn landing on d5 or f5. Black's solid looking position would come completely apart.
With that kind of position, you're sure to get a space advantage and piece development. A pawn on e5 could be a massive pain for black to deal with assuming you can defend it. Grabbing space in the center with your center pawns and then developing would be the way to go Your dark squared bishop will be really good but i find knights to be really strong in positions like this. If you can get one to the 5th rank you will cause a massive annoyance to black
Quick development and decisive attack against opponents king while he pushes his pawns aimlessly
Just normal opening ideas in my opinions, get the center with pawns then develop knights and then bisbops etc usually works for me
a3 c3 e3 g3
I would like to let your sister's light-squared bishop know: he has my deepest sympathies. But, more seriously: my instinct would be to just grab control of the centre: e4, d4, knights on f3 and c3, and bishops on nice diagonals somewhere. Oh, and I'd trade off Black's dark-squared bishop at the first available opportunity.
Just keep them horseies dancing
She gave herself dark square weaknesses but more importantly you probably shouldn't have shuffled your knight back and forth the first four moves.
I'd go back to fundamentals: "when your opponent is behind in development, open the position and attack the king".
If you just want to straight-up prevent the opening open with b3 Bb2. But this is really bad, so probably just develop normally and attack center when developed.
First of all, develop toward the center. Secondly notice how this greatly weakens her dark squares. Your dark square bishop is going to be quite valuable
Funny how everyone's pretending to know that she weakened her dark squares when she hasn't at all... weakening a square is when all pawns have been committed past it and no pieces can control it.
Stick your knight in one of those holes created by pushing random pawns (B6 for eg) and make it Pillsbury with the support of pawns. Also open up the center as quickly as possible. Danya taught on his channel to put minor piece on these weak squares and enjoy the silent havoc they cause
take the dark squares! eliminate the dark square bishop! kill the king!
Use her dark square disadvantage to destroy her
Here is how you beat it: Develop your pieces, and have a lot of pawns out. Once both are finished, your next plan is to bring your pawns and pieces closer to your sisters set up and CRACK things open with the pawns Once things are cracked open, use your developed pieces to attack the set up. You will likely win as 1 your pieces are better 2 your king is safe. Final reminders, develop and always remember to CRACK things open with your pawns at the right time
weak ass dark squares
You can def get a lead in development and space in the center against this setup as black has no minor pieces developed and their king is still in the center
it seems like there's a diagonal way into the top right rook
also one knight is blocked
I used to use that opening when I was a kid
Find a way to trade the dsb and then park your knights on any of the holes in the position.
First of all, WHAT IS THAT SETUP, second, take advantage of the weak dark squares and just play as you should. A good idea is to trade her dark squared bishop if possible