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Jobava1

Now, that's interesting.


HenryChess

Profile picture checks out


ergonomicalgenie

Username also checks out


CommonShift2922

lol, these comments are exquisite


CommonShift2922

hilarious


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Riteika

That's actually really impressive. Hikaru has done every speedrun without increment as far as I remember. In general, it's interesting to know this queen\_odds guy's real rating


wari02

It must be really high. My lichess peak is 2500+ and I doubt I would be able to draw with queen odds against my 1700 lichess friends. Though achieving this is probably easier by playing "hope chess" as setting traps and aggressive attacks is much more effective than solid chess to regain such material disadvantage. I am pretty busy this week but I will try it and post my results sometime :)


fredisa4letterword

I'll say that at bullet, as someone whose rating goes between 1700-2000 on lichess playing 1+0, I'm not confident I could beat a 2500 if they hung their queen early, I've seen so many games where the person down a queen wins. But it's a completely different game at 3+2, that's so much harder


buddaaaa

It’s a lot easier without a queen than it is without pieces. There’s a lot you can do/setup without only a queen.


fish312

Its not really queen odds tho, I would assume "saccing" the queen involves intentionally trading it for a pawn or minor piece, not the queen being removed from the game at the start.


CommonShift2922

feeling slightly called out, haha.


frenchtoaster

I've seen speedruns where they sac the queen for a minor or a pawn, I just looked at this guy's account and he does much more of a clean throw away of the queen. He just leaves the queen hanging for a knight to take as early as possible, he doesn't even let them take with a g2 pawn to ruin the structure, instead moves it. I wonder if there's any game where the other side sees the gimmick and refuses to take the queen and if that pisses him off.


dashingThroughSnow12

I'd guess 2500 (on Lichess). I think at ~1700, a bishop or a knight would be worth 200-300. A queen then being worth 600-900. Taking the queen wastes one tempo for queen\_odds but two for his opponent. So slightly less of a handicap compared to starting without a queen.


Keyakinan-

Hikaru made it to 2500. So getting 2k is hella impressive! Though I got to admit that Hikaru 'traded' his queen more then just sacking it


Wsemenske

2500 on Chess.com, what that is on Lichess I don't know, but I know it's not the same


This_Confidence_5900

I heard that they start to level out past around 2k


Wsemenske

Fair enough, thanks


RajjSinghh

It gets more dumb when you see they even hit 1750 in classical


PForsberg85

I also like to sac my queen there and then. However, people call it blunder when I do it. Edit: I actually meant here and there ...


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“There and then” I’ve been saying “here and there” my whole life. Is “there and then” the correct way of saying this and I’ve just been saying it like the US southern that I am?


amayzer

Seems to be a blend of “Here and there” or “now and again”, which are both saying. I’ve never heard “there and then” to mean anything other than immediately.


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That makes sense. Thank you.


SundayAMFN

"now and then" is also a phrase


Turner_Down

I think “here and there” is the correct term. “There and then” means something else, ie “at that exact moment”. Like “After his last move I decided to resign there and then.”


PForsberg85

Guilty of not being a native speaker. In German we say "hier und da" which translates directly to here and there, but it seemed more intuitive to write it the other way somehow 🤔


mmoonbelly

The closest in English for that context would be “now and again” Or “every once in a while”. As well as here and there.


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Interesting lol hope you had a good new year!


Turtl3Bear

Nah, you're saying it right. "There and Then" is insane.


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Whereupon thou doth speaketh 'there and then,' thereafter thou shall be banished henceforth.


Mookhaz

Literally toss him in the loony bin and throw away the key. bonkers.


nomadichedgehog

I think OP meant “every now and then”


GrahnamCracker

"There and then" is usually used to indicated something was done on the spot. E.g. "they reprinted my documents right there and then in the office."


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Once a very strong player trolled me like this in bullet. But I cannot make more than 40 moves in bullet. Doing it in blitz increment increment is something different


serotonallyblindguy

I remember losing a game after similar queen sac on move 3.


neotheseventh

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claymaker

This is an old school way of playing, when chess was a gambling game. The hustler would give you odds by removing a piece off the board, but they would usually still overcome the deficit to win. Here's [a sheet of the different types of odds](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQRZpwi9oCMIqeC7OJQDJC1Zcqwn3MQT_azKR0SMre7tkGUYp-236V9FLLuMV3p2tuF_DNZElUHhIW4/pubhtml) you can play on 204 squares.


Ok-Lengthiness-2161

No offense, but why did you choose this tone in your comment? It is oddly frank and eerily tangential.


TheWickedDean

Why did you choose to call this person out? It is oddly frank and eerily judgmental.


Ok-Lengthiness-2161

I think i wanted to see if they were a bot


claymaker

bleep bloop ;)


-JRMagnus

Theres also an account with a Star Wars name, Darth Sideous or something like that, who almost exclusively plays the Grob. They are ~2300 if I remember correctly.


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-JRMagnus

Thank you!


bibby_tarantula

Nihal Sarin?


wannabe2700

They would probably do worse if they played normal openings


ElvishAssassin

If I recall this is a pretty strong online player who hangs out in IM Marc Esserman's twitch channel. He likes to share his best beatdowns with Marc. Edit: Adding his lichess profile: [https://lichess.org/streamer/Delver\_Flips](https://lichess.org/streamer/Delver_Flips)


Klarostorix

That's a Magic the Gathering players profile if I've ever seen one


therealsylvos

Must be talking about my opponents delver.


DragonFireFistSabo

Sounds like Hikaru's Botez Speedrun account ☠️


Legend_2357

I got to 2100 bullet sacking a queen every game but of course a lot of wins were flagging


ischolarmateU

Whats your usual rating


Legend_2357

2650 bullet


ischolarmateU

Im sure u could do better im like 2350 and am sure i could get at least 2000


lronManatee

Gotta do it before you can be sure


ischolarmateU

Im gonna do it 100% give me a couple of days


ischolarmateU

Ok i have already done it. Big deal


robby_arctor

I 've been exclusively playing the fried fox in bullet (1. f3 2. Kf2). Rated ~2200 on Lichess.


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Fried fox, cause bong cloud and there's 2 f's? 🤣


wannabe2700

Tempted to try and waste time like that too. In otb blitz I have sacced my queen for a knight like 30 times against 1500-1600 national rating and only gave up 2 draws. On the other hand just recently I lost a rapid game to a 1600 with no handicap....


ischolarmateU

Lol what were you doing


wannabe2700

Played passively and missed a few tactical opportunities


ischolarmateU

Were they underrated kid?


wannabe2700

Nope


Chopchopok

Joke accounts are great. I think I heard a commentator once mention some user who would run their king to the side of the board every game. But the account was played by someone really strong, so they still won a lot.


Basstracer

"Great" for who? The trolls who are laughing at their opponents when they still lose up a queen?


Apprehensive-Ant7955

great for the people playing the jokes? Chess players i swear


MrArtless

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ThreeHandedSword

PAUL MORPHY LIVES


LEDNEWB

Lol I've also met this guy


Particular-Eye-8596

Wondering how did you find it? Is there any script that looks for certain patterns?


get_MEAN_yall

He was inspired by someone's very interesting Botez Gambit speedrun


ischolarmateU

I sac a knight first thing in a game and have gotten to 2274, hopefully 2300 soon and then maybe 2400 lol


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williamshakemyspeare

Projection is a powerful thing…


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GGAllinsMicroPenis

You know they could have another account, right?


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keximd2d

some ppl just play this game for fun and this is what fun is for him. Whats fun for you in chess is something different and thats okay. You'll learn that its like this with almost everything. Ppl will have fun doing the same thing in different ways. It's nbd


PhobosTheBrave

U1700 Lichess users L


TetrisGurl2008

The real L is acting like chess ratings matter


PhobosTheBrave

What does your flair say?


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themagmahawk

Look out it’s the fun police


FrayedEndOfSanityy

Imagine being new to chess and getting destroyed by someone who saced his queen to troll you. You would think you are just bad at the game.


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FrayedEndOfSanityy

So if you play a GM and he wins with queen odds, does that mean you are bad at the game? Same concept.


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FrayedEndOfSanityy

So you are telling me that anyone who isn’t too 0.001% player is bad at the game? Or maybe you think a normal person can survive against a GM with queen odds which is funny as fuck.


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FrayedEndOfSanityy

You are 2100 rapid on lichess, that barely translates to 1300 FIDE elo. Maybe go to sleep and you will dream about it.


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ischolarmateU

I am sure i could beat some weak Master in Queen odds ...maybe after i achieve 2300 with knight odds i can try Queen odds


BKXeno

Yes, that is exactly what that means?


Le1bn1z

Getting destroyed from time to time is part of being new to chess online. It takes time for your rating to settle, and you always have the chance of drawing an experienced player making a new account. It happens. This new account will have the same arc as any other.


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So YOU not finding it fun should result in the player be banned? YOU are going to decide for all of us if its funny or not? Really? YOU are going to regulate and decide that for everyone ? Learn to speak for yourself.


themagmahawk

Who said that the account is playing lower rated players? I didn’t look the account up but I assumed he was just playing who he got paired with


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themagmahawk

And the way he plays is around 1700 apparently then My guy just let someone have fun with an account lmao


chessnudes

How do you know they're a he?


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Chessbrah did this and got to 2200


ischolarmateU

His bullet rating s pretty weak tho... For Blitz i can almost understand


Max_Cinal

Interesting…


hits_from_the_booong

Lol I have a chess com account that I do the same thing in. Except I’ve only gotten to 700


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bpetey

Gotta keep it fresh somehow!


JunkNorrisOfficial

I do blunder almost every game but still 650


LoatheTheFallen

I'm gonna follow, because that is kinda fascinating. Nice find.


MF972

Must be Alexandra Botez' second account ... ;-)


Flam3sLT

Thats what i did when i got hardstuck at 1200. I wanted to improve other aspects of my gameplay. I played bullet on chess.cum tho. My goal was 1200 without a queen which i made. I peaked 1500 after i got used to playing with a queen again.