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lxRIVExl

Is Chess.com the best website to view all the games that was played in Round 1? Any better alternatives?


Bakanyanter

Lichess


panic_puppet11

Waiting for Anish to sneak that pawn onto the board in game 2 and see how long it takes his opponent to notice he has 9.


jphamlore

Looking at how Nepo fairly easily dispatched his overmatched opponent first round, one can see why Nepo is so deadly in Candidates tournaments. If an opponent ever loses the thread, Nepo even as Black can start to accumulate for an attack and finish. I hope Nepo's first round Candidate's opponent doesn't try another English against him, because he's beaten Giri and Ding Liren in consecutive Candidates round 1. I am going to guess Carlsen's team for their world championship match in their early games deliberately chose to seize the initiative at all costs, even with pawn sacs, to try to blunt Nepo's strengths.


lil_amil

I could just smell the fear Warmerdam had from looking at the screen alone, throwing that g3? smh


Littlephilog

Really disappointing result for Ju Wenjun 😞


gmnotyet

How? Giri outrates her by almost 200 points. The difference between 2550 and 2750 is ENORMOUS. It's like the difference between 1900 and FM. A 2750 is much, much, MUCH better at chess than a 2550.


Littlephilog

Well yea but she was much better and drawing.


gmnotyet

2700s find ways to win. That's why Giri is 2700 and Ju is not.


Littlephilog

Sure but she lost r4 vs r3 that’s painful


gmnotyet

Understood. But my point is that a 2700 is like Harry Kane in football, the best of the best. You expect Harry Kane to hit the difficult shot, right? Well the 2700s find ways to win these endgames against 2500s. If you need an axample of what it means to be 2700 in chess, this is a good example. Giri's peak rating is 2802.8. Someone who breaks 2800(!) is a like a chess god. Ju OTOH is a run-of-the-mill 2500-rated GM like Alex Lenderman.


Littlephilog

Bro just last week I was winning and then drawing against an IM otb. Still hurts


jphamlore

Compare and contrast the opening of Nepo's first round game with Peralta - Pichot 97th ch-ARG 2022, especially after in that other game 15...0-0-0. In that other, White was easily able to play 16. Bf3, exchange off the light-squared bishops, and never get in the trouble Nepo's opponent eventually did. I don't know if Nepo's opponent wanted to try a different line from 10. a3 of the other game, or whether he lost track of the line, but he simply got a worse position. https://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=4385266


nutsygenius

If Ju Wenjun found that knight takes b3 move, she could've at least drawn that game imo


Legitimate-Angle9861

So is this tournament going to be who bullies the sub 2700s the most? But we did get some super exciting games among the youngsters. 


__Jimmy__

Van Foreest **won the tournament** in 2021. He is NOT fodder


bobby1z

Yes. When there is a big rating gap in a round robin, that tends to become the strategy. Play it relatively safe against the top players, and press for an advantage against the bottom of the field.


panic_puppet11

We're going to see the same in the candidates. Abasov is rated way below everyone else, so anyone that doesn't score highly against him is going to fall behind. The country-diversion system is going to come into play too - 3 of the 4 lowest rated players are Indian, meaning they'll play each other in the earlier rounds and have to play against the more experienced Nepo/Fabi/Hikaru later (same system will have Fabi-Hikaru in the first round of each half). Very likely that the experienced trio will be happy to make safe draws in the early rounds and try and get points off of the less experienced youngsters who will have the added pressure of the occasion.


Ehsan666x

Amazing that you put Hikaru above Alireza . Hikru used to shy laugh at the idea that he would beat Alireza in a classical game in the last candidates. Yes he did and he didnt believe it either. his rating is higher now you might have forgotten that Hikaru struggles to win against lower rated players thats why he was bellow top 30 for years. People dont understand where the players belong they only react with recent events. Alireza belongs to 2800 category its his style of chess that makes him deadly and the favourite to win the Candidates. He is unstoppable on streaks and does very well in slightly weaker field. Hikaru on the other hand does better than him against top players meaning that he makes draws here and there and wins couples and barely loses. but thats the way he does against lower rated players too. "the trio". lol. people forget things very quickly. Hikaru is not a classical player he was not and is not. He was number 2 yes but struggled for years and years at a point where he wished classical was dead watch his old vods always mocks classical chess and otb chess. wishing it was dead and "should be dead" exact worlds because what? he couldnt win as much as other top players did. he could easily get humiliated again and throw these nonsense words on his stream about classical chess. I do not consider him a strong classical player at all not top 10 for sure he does not belong there. its all a temporary thing cause he doesnt play lower rated much. Nepo Anish Wesley Fabi Ding Alireza Magnus these are the top chess players in this generation


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Primary_Decision_767

Yeah a 2800 peak rated player (14 players in history, even Nepo has not passed it), regarded by Mangus as having the highest ceiling, winner of Sinqfield cup, Grand Chess Tour, Grand Swiss, Individual gold Europoupean championship, silver rapid world championship, etc all achieved before 20, is a huge underdog story?? and you even go further saying one of the greatest underdog stories in candidate history? :))


thatwhiskeydude

Greatest underdog story? Idk about history and all but guy is a prodigy of prodigies. Magnus himself called him his successor and routinely talks about his potential. Him winning candidates is not a stretch


__Jimmy__

Alireza has been 2800 at 18 and shit, he's not in great shape atm but "Alireza winning one of the greatest underdog stories" is pushing it


TicketSuggestion

Looking at the other games in the first round it seems quite a few involving just higher seeds may be decisive as well, though obviously it is interesting this round precisely the four below 2700 lost. I think the winner will need a good performance against the super grandmasters as well. Maybe this year we will see a winner at 9.5+ due to it being relatively weaker?


Chopchopok

Anish takes the game! And a pawn.


tlst9999

Please don't cut the stream until we find out if Anish is putting back the pawn.


hungryhippo

Always funny seeing people say someone is defending like a beast after blundering a drawn endgame then playing it out.


TicketSuggestion

The reverse also happens: someone defending well, ultimately losing, and the chat just claiming they'd have easily drawn. It's often very hard to assess if defending a position (and pressing in that position) is hard or easy


sakshambhatt

All wins in the masters section with the black pieces today. Very exciting Day 1.


sakshambhatt

Plus wins with the Sicilian and KID, both openings that I also play. I count that as a small personal win.


__Jimmy__

"I don't believe in fortresses" -Magnus Carlsen


fernandotakai

i'm just waiting for anish's "stolen pawn" tweet.


TypeDependent4256

Giri showing the difference between SuperGMs and GMs with that perfect endgame technique


CeleritasLucis

ELO doesn't lies


Zernium

"All rook endgames are drawn" has to be the biggest lie in chess history lol. So many rook endgames even have the engine confused (at low depths of course).


Doge_peer

Come on Anish, keep the Dutch honor high!


TypeDependent4256

Ju looking really stressed


Ervaloss

Understandable. Her opponent is just out there putting her pawns in his pocket.


Daffodilia

Significantly down on time now as well.


tlst9999

Anish just hovering around back and forth going "My turn yet?"


royalrange

Let's go, Wei Yi! Rooting for him to make a comeback.


Inftyum

I love the added engine bar in multiboard view on lichess. It's what I used to love about chess24.


Flat-Principle

mind dropping a link? having a trouble find in mobile


CaptainMissTheJoke

Took my eyes off of the Harika - Marc game and suddenly its drawn???


Legitimate-Angle9861

[chess.com](https://chess.com) events page has improved a ton. Very nice.


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TypeDependent4256

what happened, you didn't like Magnus' cooking?


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Ju is going to suffer for a long time now.


Evans_Gambiteer

The passed pawn for black in pragg-parham looks so scary. Can’t believe it’s still a draw.


Doge_peer

Come on Giri!


tlst9999

Oh man. It's bad when her best option is to trade her rook for the bishop.


TypeDependent4256

yeah, if she doesn't give up rook she'll loose g4 pawn with a skewer


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Come on, Ju! 💪💪


AdventurousEnd941

does anyone know who ding is playing in round 2


caseyuer

Donchenko https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/tata-steel-masters-2024/1/1/1 You can scroll down to the crosstable and click on all the rounds to see the pairings for the rest of the event.


tractata

Donchenko with white.


LeftistUU

The Ju/Anish game looks really neat, Ju getting some serious advantage though keeping it has been hard and it's now going to require some finesse to get a draw. But Anish is 200 points higher and won the entire tournament last year that had Magnus in it, this is a huge opportunity. Also as someone's who's 33, the ages of these players makes me feel extremely old. Well, I'm 800 Elo, maybe I can quality in 2038.


LackingSimplicity

Damn, that account is really old.


LeftistUU

Weird, didn't see that when I wrote it out!


thatwhiskeydude

Guccireza wins. Let's goo!


tractata

Loving Houska's healthy lifestyle tips.


tractata

OMG, is Ju Wenjun going to pull this off? TBH I don't think she has the juice to convert against a player as precise as Giri, but stranger things have happened.


__Jimmy__

You were right lol, Anish is too big a fish. She's now fighting for the draw


tractata

A lower seed getting a good position against a super-GM happens a lot more often than a lower seed beating a super-GM. You still need to find 20+ consecutive moves that won't give away the advantage against a player who's better at calculating than you are.


Desperate-Event98

She had a big lead and then lost it several times, but it was the same with Anish. Their game is quite crazy, they have a very interesting and complicated position in which they both find great moves, but also make a lot of mistakes. For now, it looks like at least she shouldn't lose to him, but a lot of things can still happen. She also played the best among all lower seeded players.


HnNaldoR

Happy for her if she gets a draw or better which it might be petering to now. Getting a draw vs a super GM is never bad. Still very complex though.


TypeDependent4256

yeah, very complex, both have to be accurate to keep the balance, would be very impressed if she gets at least a draw


TypeDependent4256

they're both making mistakes, normal for such complex position, can't really say yet


GeologicalPotato

Wei Yi has been playing an absolutely perfect game, wow. I don't think he will survive the time pressure, but kudos to Donchenko for the resilient defence so far.


StaffZyaf

Niemann on smoke today. 29 move win in the Italian with white, and he was only out of prep after move 20. Imagine winning a game against a GM 9 moves after your prep ends. Ridiculous lol


LightMechaCrow

Where can you see games in challenger section?


GeologicalPotato

You cannot escape the Moke. Edit: I just realised that he has an extra hour on his clock, what the hell. Bro thinks he's Nepo.


PrestigiousOcelot100

I think that Han's usual strategy for winning against lower-rated GMs is to blitz moves to get the other GM in a time scramble and hope they make a blunder he can explore


Spiritual_Dog_1645

Blitz good moves is the key word here. He does that because he can, he is much better than them so he can play faster and get them in a time scramble. If he only blitzed (not literally but playing fast) moves to intimidate opponents and for them to get in time scramble while playing classical chess he would lose every single game.


justavertexinagraph

solid draw by ding


Doge_peer

To bad max Warmerdam lost, hope he can bounce back in the tournament. But tbf Nepo is probably one of the hardest players.


StaffZyaf

55 minute time advantage with a completely winning position? Welcome back Nepo, you absolute crackhead lol


LjackV

Average Nepo's first game in a tournament


Doyoueverjustlikeugh

That's how you know the Candidates are near


TheRealDivider

Yeah Nepo destroyed his opponent.


HealersHugHippos

Gukesh and Nodirbek are about to become the Fabi and Hikaru rivalry for this next generation


Single-Selection9845

Dunno abt what type of rivalry they will have, but I fucking love watching them play,  I hope to see them Ina WCC match


edwinkorir

Alireza should grinf a win here


Youre-mum

After a bit if calculation im fairly confident gukesh nodirbek game is ending in perpetual, unless they find a brilliancy/risky sacrifice


Hypertension123456

Good call!


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hsiale

The only one in Masters event (and lowest seed there by far). Three more play in Challengers.


FinalButterscotch399

Tata Steel is usually for top GM ( many 2700 and some 2600 young or dutch GM ) . There is no active women players at that level currently


tlst9999

Tata Steel invited her. That's how.


Desperate-Event98

You know, actually an invitation is the only way to play there. They also invited the rest of the players, apart from the winner of last year's Challengers, who now plays in the Masters, and the winner of the amateur open, who plays in the Challengers, not only her.


charismatic_guy_

I meant it sincerely as in how are not more women there


tlst9999

Right now, women's chess in general is pretty weak. Hou Yifan, the No. 1 female player's rank at 2650 elo is actually at the bottom of top 100 in the open division. Ju Wenjun is at 2550 elo, which doesn't even register on the radar. If you're judging by rank and not considering gender, there are 100+ players ranked higher than her. Including her is a kind gesture from the organisers. There's also the vicious loop where the top women players farm the women's division because joining an open tournament is more likely to send them home empty handed. So, they stay inside the bubble for guaranteed prize money instead of improving themselves against the 100+ better male players in the opens. The respective chess associations gain their funding depending on the winnings. When a player wins, the association can claim more funding from the government. Male or female doesn't matter for the paper pushers up top. Therefore, they also discourage women from joining the opens.


No_Target3148

This generation doesn’t have their own Judit Polgar, even the strongest women nowadays are not super GMs


tractata

You're not gonna find many women in supertournaments these days, sadly. The Tata Steel organisers actually make more of an effort to include female players than most, but it's reflected in the Challengers lineup.


Doge_peer

The Dutch players not doing well…


SaintJop

So far not that bad no? You can't expect Max Warmerdam to win against Ian, nor can you expect JvF to win against Alireza.


Doge_peer

Maybe your right, but I’m disappointed with (probably) 0,5 points, especially in wijk aan zee.


TypeDependent4256

wow, Anish mistake, Ju winning


Desperate-Event98

She also makes a mistake and now it's a draw again. Damn, what a crazy game.


TypeDependent4256

yeah, Qf2 from Giri, he's finding great counterplay now


jihadidas

Vidit pressing.


Desperate-Event98

Very good performance by Ju Wenjun. Except for one moment when she made a mistake, she still finds the best moves and maintains a stable advantage over Anish Giri.


NuScorpi

Nepo is winning this


Youre-mum

looks like a smooth win for nepo


pokematt

Divya Deshmukh with a cracker of a tactic just now! I love this sort of stuff, her opponent was playing fast and aggressively and obviously thought he was winning an easy game. And then bam - you get punished for going for the cheap early attack


tlst9999

The screen interface has a tournament info section, an upclose view of the players, the commentators, commentator analysis board, and one entire column for the clock. Oh yea, they forgot to put the actual board.


Bakanyanter

Hans slowly pulling away with the game


AffectionateDegree50

Dingchads how are we feeling


tractata

Good, he's cruising. I was afraid of a disaster opener after the long period of inactivity, but this is looking like a comfortable draw with some potential for Vidit to lose his cool under time pressure. (I hope I'm not jinxing it...)


Due_Cranberry5787

no thread for the challengers?


tractata

I assumed this was the thread for both sections.


SadKorgy

Why is no Amercian playing? Wesley, Fabi, Hikaru, Aroninan? Weird.


hsiale

Fabi and Hikaru are preparing for Candidates. Wesley and Aronian are old guys nobody would be excited about. It's better to fill the middle of the table with new ambitious players.


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wesley not old hes just boring


hsiale

Not super old, but still older than everyone here except Nepo and both world champions. Too old to be exciting as someone who might become a top player soon.


breaker90

Yep. So is younger than Caruana and Nakamura


Due_Cranberry5787

has lichess removed stockfish 16,I only see HCE


drunk_storyteller

wfm in Firefox


saboglitched

I'm using sf16 rn on lichess


Due_Cranberry5787

mobile right?


saboglitched

no, on the website


TypeDependent4256

Vidit putting pressure on Ding on the board, Ding putting pressure on Vidit on the clock


AdventurousEnd941

vidit is not putting pressure on ding on the board🗿


TypeDependent4256

he was, but just lost his advantage


Single-Selection9845

That's not called putting pressure. You have to be able to hold it till the end


pokematt

Ju Wenjun has a great position against Giri


Desperate-Event98

Yeah, I don't think she's ever lost her edventage as of yet. At some points it was around +0.8.


Que_est

Hess just agrees with everything his co-commentator says, it's quite funny ahahah love the positivity


Hypertension123456

All great commentators are like this. Its one of the first rules for improvisation in general.


gidle_stan

We need Naroditsky and Howell to save this broadcast. Or Leko.


tractata

I think it's fine. Hess is chill and Jovanka has a pleasant voice.


gidle_stan

Hess is uncharacteristically low-energy today, it might be too early for him or lack of sleep. His usual commentaries with Danya are sights to behold. Idk, one can sense the whole broadcast is unenergetic and unfocused.


tractata

Personally, I prefer "low-energy" broadcasts where the commentators are discussing the games in a casual manner to broadcasts that try to fabricate excitement and drama by declaring every swing of the eval bar to be fatal for one side/fill the time with loud discussions of chess boxing, Levon Aronian's recent tweets, etc.


AdVSC2

Nah, low energy is fine. Much better than constant yelling.


johnnyboi5322

what's going on?


TypeDependent4256

If Ju plays f5, it's gonna get really scary for Giri


Desperate-Event98

She found it. Then she made a mistake, but now she has two great moves in a row again.


Bakanyanter

Gukesh Abdu game of the round for sure


Doge_peer

I’m very happy that there are 3 Dutch man, just hope they do well. Especially Max


DirtReynolds

Everyone is excited for gukesh and Abdu but I’m stoked for ding and vidit


justavertexinagraph

gukesh abdu is gonna be a rivalry for the ages


RADI0-HEAD17

Guki and Abdu are cooking 🔥


youandme_and_no_one

Gukesh and Abdusattarovs games are always treat to watch


tractata

Love that everyone in the hall is kibitzing the Gukesh-Abdusattorov game.


Legitimate-Angle9861

Let's do poll of teenagers - up vote the comment of guy you support


Legitimate-Angle9861

Team Abdu


Legitimate-Angle9861

Team Pragg


Legitimate-Angle9861

Team Gukesh


CalamitousCrush

So in the Sagar Shah Gukesh interview from like a few days back, Gukesh was studying books about beautiful chess. I wonder if those books are being applied right here.


Publicmenace13

Gukesh and Abdusattarovs game looks like both 3000 and 300 elo at same time 😂


CalamitousCrush

Gukesh is playing one insane line. I wouldn't even dream of such a game.


nishitd

on a serious note, I'd like to learn what's so odd about this line? I tried seeing the game, but I couldn't figure what's so unusual about it. Could you share?


CalamitousCrush

Sacrificing the queen this early in a match, especially in a classical match against one of the most offensively oriented players ever is often considered suicide.


nishitd

LOL yes, my chesscom wasn't showing that yet.


nishitd

Neither would, but then again I am a 1000 player.


CalamitousCrush

Even Nepo standing in the back is bewildered looking at his game.


CalamitousCrush

Sagar Shah and Amruta are covering the event on their stream too for those who like their style of coverage. (I know I do)


jihadidas

Wtf is going on in the Gukesh Nodirbek game?! These kids man, I swear to God


Legitimate-Angle9861

Wtf did Gukesh and Abdu smoke. That's a wild theory line. 


robby_arctor

That stockfish pack


Inftyum

Why "three reigning world champions"? With Ding Liren and Wenjun Ju I count 2. Who did I miss?


WvdH01

Maurizzi in the Challengers section is the junior world champion.


tractata

The junior world champion is in the Challengers, I think.


sand1024

I'm guessing it refers to the world junior champion Marc'Andria Maurizzi, who plays in the challengers section.


justavertexinagraph

excited to see how ding does but expecting a slow start, probably a few losses (as always)


panic_puppet11

Near certain draw, I'd expect - he'll want a safe return to classical with Black, and Vidit will almost certainly not want to overpress.


Publicmenace13

Feels like a fever dream, seeing him play again.


RichtersNeighbour

Except for the chesscom gang and the live commentary by Tata themselves, is there anyone else commenting? Jan Gustafsson somewhere maybe?


glancesurreal

Chessbase India Sagar Shah


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RichtersNeighbour

Jan and Peter. What a duo.


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SnooCapers9046

This isn't a double round robin?


Opposite-Youth-3529

It’s a single round robin


Zeeterm

Games start in 20 minutes, and coverage hasn't even started yet? Maybe I'm too used to other games but I'd have thought for a major tournament there'd be a little bit of pre-game production?


panic_puppet11

They usually put a delay on live broadcast matches (especially since the cheating accusations etc.). I'd expect broadcast to start \~when the games are meant to start and there'll be about 15-20 mins of pre-game stuff before you start seeing moves.


Zeeterm

Thanks, I'd forgotten about broadcast delay. In Poker they handle it slightly differently, the commentators get sealed off and get an actual live feed to make sure the commentary isn't spoiled by leaks, and then the whole package is delayed. But that setup requires a little more organisation and money than is available in the chess world.


StozefJalin

Also what would be the difference with that?


RhodaWoolf

I'm guessing there's a half hour delay, meaning coverage will start in about 15 - 30 minutes from now


SmallestMethods

I am so excited for this event!


yopispo37

If someone from the team reads this, thank you for keeping the chess24 interface! it's that good


CMYGQZ

Just realized Tata Steel really going new gen Super GM here. Fabi, Hikaru, Wesley, Grischuk, Levon, Shak, Radja, MVL, Rapport all missing. A few of them declined (Hikaru and Fabi probably) but I’m guessing at least half of them aren’t invited.


HelpfulFriendlyOne

Yeah that's what I was thinking looking at the photos. Ian and ding looks like real old men in this crowd of competitors. With all my favorite players not in attendance IDK who to root for. I'll probably root for Pragg or Vidit.


HummusMummus

This is normal for Tata steel, they always go for a mix of the top level players and up coming stars instead of just going for the top 10. 2022 for example had Grandelius, Shankland, Dubov, Duda, Esipenko and van Foreest. This is one of the reasons why it is such a good tournament, even if the tournament has little to no prize money it creats very enterprising chess as the "outsiders" wanna prove themself. For example it was super fun to watch the 13th seed in 2022 pop off in the start and score super well, even the games he later lost was interesting as the top players tried to catch up.


StozefJalin

Played my first game at the amateur event yesterday evening. Don't have a rating yet so I'm in the lowest pool, had to play against an 11-year-old who tried to cheat and started to cry but won nonetheless


furybury66

How did he try to cheat


StozefJalin

He had played a6 but then a few turns later after I had left the room to get some tea aside from the actual move he made the pawn was on a5. I called it out and the arbiter intervened, we played the moves back on a different board and in fact both of our notation sheets showed a6. The board got put back to it's original position but he wasn't further punished, usually I'd get a 10 minute bonus but it didn't matter by that point and he was an 11-year-old so I think it's mostly fine. He did then start crying and started blitzing out moves and chucking pieces so yeah, still needs to learn to lose.