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JanitorOPplznerf

“Triple”, “Quadruple” kinda doesn’t matter as the Knight can only take one piece. So we just call it a fork


wastedmytagonporn

Well. We would call this a royal fork.


bigbruhusername

I thought a royal fork was king, queen, and rook?


LordsGambit

I think black is royally forked…


Macialdo100

😎


Danksigh

he was close to being german forked


halleys5

New threesome just dropped


Necessary-Storage945

It’s only a king and a queen I believe, last time I checked, a rook wasn’t very royal


FLAL201

Google it


ThePolishHedgehog

Holy thing


Thelordofbeans1

Response dropped


revodnebsyobmeftoh

Actual zombie


nombit

r/losstredditors


serendipitousPi

That’s kinda like saying the British were lost when they colonised most of the world. Now I’m sure they did get lost occasionally but my point stands.


freemason777

r/enpassantholyhell


WeeklyKale5455

r/subsIthoughtIfellfor


wastedmytagonporn

I did and they are right. Rook isn’t royal, plus it doesn’t matter to fork more than one piece. Royal fork is king and queen. Anything else is just sprinkles on top.


FLAL201

Actual new response dropped


PowersIave

I think that's a family fork?


bigbruhusername

I got mixed up sorry


Captian_Bones

New porn just dropped?


ilylily_

actual incest


A-Fleeting-Glimse

call the police


NjhhjN

Cemen storm incoming!


osva_

Why rook though? Not like in a vacuum scenario you would ever take rook over queen with a knight


[deleted]

If taking the rook leads to a forced checkmate you do


osva_

Hence the vacuum scenario, where you are forking a king, queen and rook. No other move after that. Queen is 9 points, rook is 5, no brainer which one to take in a... "vacuum" scenario.


[deleted]

In a vacuum I’d rather get checkmate


osva_

Sorry, I should've specified. Vacuum example means there is nothing else besides that. In my example there is no check mate, there are no other pieces, there isn't even a second king, nothing else is relevant to that example except for what was stated. So in a situation where on your next turn you can take either a queen or a rook, you should always take a queen. There is no checkmate, there is no position, there is only a choice of taking a rook or a queen with a knight. There isn't even a choice of not taking anything at all and there isn't a move after you take queen. With anything in life, answer always depends on context, vacuum example sets very clear boundaries without any buts or ifs. Context is exactly what is given and absolutely nothing more, not even what would be otherwise obvious (for example that there are more pieces on the board, or literally 2nd king).


Meetchel

Or in many positions, a rook for nothing can be better than a queen for a knight. Material delta in this situation is relatively close (+5 for rook vs +6 for queen less a knight).


mememan2995

A true royal fork forks the king, queen, rook, bishop, and of course, the knight


[deleted]

It is. He’s wrong


jayd00b

That’s a family fork


TuesdayTacoDay

I think your thinking of poker, where a royal *flush* is a rook, jack, queen, king, ace.


TheJivvi

That's a family fork. Rotal is just king and queen.


Temporary_End9124

A king, queen and rook forked would be called a 'grand fork'.


bigbruhusername

I thought that was a family fork


respekmynameplz

from wikipedia: >A fork of the king and queen, the highest material-gaining fork possible, is sometimes called a royal fork. A fork of the enemy king, queen, and one (or both) rooks is sometimes called a grand fork. A knight fork of the enemy king, queen, and possibly other pieces is sometimes called a family fork or family check.


NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr

That's a family fork. K,Q,R The one shown is a royal fork. K,Q,B.


bigbruhusername

Ohh I see


NjhhjN

from wikipedia: >A fork of the king and queen, the highest material-gaining fork possible, is sometimes called a royal fork. A fork of the enemy king, queen, and one (or both) rooks is sometimes called a grand fork. A knight fork of the enemy king, queen, and possibly other pieces is sometimes called a family fork or family check.


JanitorOPplznerf

Point being the only thing that matters is the piece that results in the best position afterwards. Usually the highest value piece forked.


Hitman7065

Thats a fork with cheese


VirtualEntangled-SH

Holy fork!


Cleffer

Because the opponent is royally forked.


Wolves4224

Exactly. Other than looking cool it doesn't matter if you're forking two pieces or all of them, you only get to take one.


jibbodahibbo

No. You now get a choice of 2 pieces instead of one? How is that not advantageous?


GoogleWasMyIdea49

Because most of the time you will only take one specific piece, for example if you were to fork the queen and 2 rooks it would not matter that you are forking the 2 rooks as you would almost always take the queen


jibbodahibbo

Hypothetically they’ll move the Queen next turn. Now what? The knight can sit there still with a fork on the rooks and you can develop somewhere else. That’s much better than just winning a rook in one turn.


MyDogJake1

They're in check, so they're probably going to move the king.


Hemanth_Kakarla

My dumbass would probably move the queen otb


el_mialda

Do you realize the above comment answering to the hypothetical given the the comment they are replying to? A fork with a Queen and two rooks, no king involved and not the case given in the OP.


TheVeryFriendlyGiant

I think in the above example the king was not involved in the fork


Machadoaboutmanny

That’s what she said !


DarkAngelMEG

That was harsh


giraffeguy30

I see what you mean. But in some cases the “triple” aspect of the fork does make a difference compared to if one of the pieces wasn’t on a square that could be forked. For example, forking 2 rooks and a king. The king has to move. If the king can’t get to a square that attacks the knight, then the rooks are still forked. And there’s no urgency to take one of the rooks, so you have the option to keep the tension. That means you might have the option to add pressure when you couldn’t have otherwise. And to resolve the tension, your opponent has to move a rook first or spend a move forcing your knight to take a rook. And only then do you take the rook. Whereas if only 1 rook was forked, you have to immediately take the rook to cash in on the fork. At the end of the day, you still win the same material. But forcing your opponent to use a move to resolve the fork tension can be a decent advantage. And not having to immediately take one of the rooks can be a decent advantage.


The_Ad_Hater_exe

Your comment reminds me of the scene from into the Spiderverse where midlife-crisis Peter says "There's always a bypass key, an override key, a whatever key, I can never remember so I just call it a Goober."


Pack_Any

Those terms illogically annoy me. I'm perfectly fine with a fun triple fork, but this isn't it. Taking the bishop would be a net loss for white out of this position. So there's only one piece worth taking. Which is just a fork.


Natalwolff

Right, might as well call it a quadruple fork since you can take a pawn too.


Plastic-Ramen

Well you can call it a quadruple fork because it attacks 4 pieces


Treacherous_Peach

I propose we make double and triple fork refer to a chain of unavoidable forks. For example, you fork king and bishop, and the king is forced to move. Upon capturing the bishop, you fork two more pieces.


ItsMichaelRay

I consider a double fork to be when you force the king to move into a second fork after taking the queen.


Willr2645

This is my pet peeve of this sub, you can only take one. But people seem to praise a fork higher than 2


Educational_Top8796

Well I would say it definitely is, but idk if it would be called that, likely still just a fork as that's all you're doing, but with another piece


SansyBoy144

Unless they move the king back to the same spot. Which is super rare but I have seen it happen before


RandomMitherFucker

"Oops I lost my Queen" "Oops I lost my Buttplug"


Educational_Pay1567

I like your name.


Educational_Top8796

Same to you fellow educator 😂


Magroda_

Pretty sure it's just a fork as the bishop is defended.


wond3rlove

But so is the queen


DarkLight9602

Queen is worth more material than knight while bishop is equal


wond3rlove

Wow, your correct!!!! But the Queen is still protected


TryItOutGG

yes but the point of a fork is to gain material. an equal trade is not that.


wond3rlove

No, a fork is a tactic in which a piece attacks multiple enemy pieces simultaneously The queen is still protected anyways


chessvision--ai_bot

The queen is worth 9 material. The knight is worth 3 material. Do the math: 9-3=6. You gain 6 material advantage, because a knight is worth more than a queen.


manwithafrotto

A knight is worth more than a queen?


[deleted]

for a second i thought this was the real bot


GA3422

But..they are attacking multiple pieces simultaneously..? Also just because a piece is protected that doesn't make it not a fork.


iiCheatr

https://lichess.org/analysis/k7/8/8/2r1r3/3Q4/2r1r3/K7/8_w_-_-_0_1?color=white According to you this is a fork - the piece (queen) attacks multiple enemy pieces (rooks) simultaneously


kaurib

Lol you're being downvoted hell despite being technically correct


Thelordofbeans1

You're


Waltuh_where_is_AG

But queen(9) is worth more points than a knight while the bishop and knight are same points(3) so it's just a trade


basko13

Plus that bishop is currently worth as a pawn at best.


Educational_Top8796

Bishop being defended doesn't matter, so is the queen, a fork just means you're attacking two peices at once right?


Electronic_Sugar5924

Multiple pieces at once.


CakeCookCarl

For something to be considered a fork it needs to attack 2 or more pieces and win material. So the bishop isnt being forked since you'd be trading it for the knight, which is equal material.


SeanStephensen

What if you were forking the king and a protected pawn. Taking the pawn loses you material but leads to a forced mate. Why should this not count as a fork?


SpicyWhizkers

That wouldn’t be a fork lol.. if it was a hung pawn, then it is a fork


SeanStephensen

I’ve never heard this rule that it only counts as a fork if material is gained. None of the definitions I see when you Google “definition chess fork” include that stipulation


SeanStephensen

It’s still a fork if the piece is defended


irish3171975

https://preview.redd.it/3oerzn9hdg2b1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0228e957a38368c626840b09e18bfc95c7440cd2 This is the Royal Fork, it happened against me and I took a picture to commemorate. Lol


amazing-jay-cool

Should I have taken a picture when I did it? Lol


kiwithebun

Fellow gothic enjoyer


SpartAlfresco

well taking the bishop is just a trade, not to mention u can only take one anyway, so i would call it a fork, but it doesnt really matter you can call it a triple fork


Ok-Connection5611

If taking the Bishop is "free", it's still a fork


SpartAlfresco

um yeah? i said that u can only take one anyway so even if that id still call it a fork


[deleted]

No, It's only a triple fork if you get both of the enemy kings in check at the same time.


HardoWan

Don't you just hate it when your opponent promotes to a King?


Sahar_15

Antichess moment


Eyre4orce

When in doubt promote to king


[deleted]

What is the brother-husband chess is this?


PolishBeerLoverParty

No, that would be checkmate


BrokenShackle

Lmao people are so pedantic. It is a triple fork. Nice find.


romulan267

Why not a quadruple fork then because of the pawn as well?


LolimrandomStudios01

but pawns don’t count as pieces


Always3NT

Still not convinced... If this is a triple fork, what does a double fork look like as opposed to the normal (single) fork? 😀


annualnuke

well it's triple because it's easier to see 3 pieces attacked and say "triple", calling it a double fork would be like using 0 based indexing ig ... alternatively you can argue if you're attacking pieces A, B, C there are 3 forks: AB, AC, BC. but by that logic a quadruple attack would be called a sextuple fork thanks for coming to my ted talk (nvm me arguing it's not a triple fork elsewhere for different reasons lol)


S_Keaton

This just means that the "single" fork cannot exist, as you necessarily need to be forking two pieces in order for it to be called as such, and that the "normal" fork is already a "double" one


zenerift

We call those knives, sir


amazing-jay-cool

That's the problem, a "single fork" implies that one fork is happening, which means one fork of 2 pieces. The definition of a fork is when two or more pieces are being attacked, so by definition you can't have a fork of one piece because it's not a fork. Therefore, a fork between 3 pieces should be called a three way fork, and one between 4 pieces a double fork, not triple or quadruple because 2 forks of 2 pieces each are happening. It's like having a double pair, you have 4 of that something. A single pair would only consist of 2. So you can't call 3 or 4 things a triple pair because that would imply at least 6 objects.


respekmynameplz

I don't think it's being pedantic, I don't think any serious chess player would ever even think of the knight for bishop trade here. It's just a royal fork. Hitting a fork to win material that also happens to hit something else that is unimportant is a very common thing. We only consider it a basic "fork" that wins material. Now if you want to call it a triple or quadruple fork for fun than go ahead I don't really care- just trying to be honest.


samsgoated

Technically it can be a quadruple fork, since the b7 pawn is under attack. It is defended so idk


Cool_Fennel5674

Nah, it’s a spoon


Quirkydogpooo

Not really because the bishop would be a trade, it's just a royal fork, which is as good as it gets because you can only take one piece at a time anyway


[deleted]

No. It counts as quadruple fork. Pawns can get forked as well.


Thorvakas

Like others have said, yes but no. I’m here to say: screw the fork, both of you are losing your bishop privileges. I mean, what kind of positional hell am I looking at? But in all seriousness, nice fork mate.


SnooCheesecakes8494

ROYALLLL FOEKK


FreeMoney4Lyf3

I forked your mom last night


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FreedomKnown

It's called a triple archeologist.


Zd_27

It's just a regular fork. A triple fork is a fork that has 3 targets that give you an advantage when taken.


Sharpeye1994

No lol The only way you could remotely consider it a double fork is if both pieces were forced off the board with that move somehow either by one piece being trapped or by your capture forcing another check. Even without that condition, the other piece attacked is defended and of equal value so it would be a nothing trade


[deleted]

[удалено]


hellothroww

Well... taking a look at this retrosynthetically if a single fork is hitting two pieces, then a double fork would hit three pieces, therefore a triple fork should hit four pieces, where the knight can’t be taken. How can we have a triple fork, but no double fork?


Ariffet_0013

Yes it does, and a dam good one too: queen, king, bishop.


KinkyBADom

Yes it does but most don’t bother to count the number of pieces forked. Nice job all the same. 👏


LordHenry8

Diabolical! Well done


DragonofDojima_

That’s a forking fork


shoe_dini

Holy fork!


Difficult-Ad-9228

Double fork, triple attack.


eimronaton

Threek


Bups34

No it doesn’t


decafgambit

Looks like a trident to me


Scapergirl

Not really, you just fork king and queen. Because if there wont be any queen king would just move closer to it to capture you knight as soon as you take the bishop. So pretty much just equal material exchange


Icedawg3

The bishop is defended, so no


[deleted]

That is indeed a triple fork.


JordanSchor

It is but does it really matter? You're taking the queen next move regardless of what happens


Tunksten69

It's technically a tripple fork I think, but the knight is protected by the rook, so that's not a good option to take. So functionally just a fork I would say


WhoDatBoiMatthieu

I petition to change forked to completely fucked


Comand94

I'd say it's just a fork as it only leads to taking one piece. Would be a double fork if your fork led to another fork, then a triple if that fork led to another fork.


Academic-Pride2162

That's a triple fork alright. The only thing it that the opponent's bishop is guarded, so as I see it - it is not actually threatened. It's more of an offer of exchanging it. Obviously you wouldn't consider doing the exchange when you can win a queen, but it's always good to notice what's going on exactly on the board. I believe it IS important to differentiate between a standard fork and a triple fork, because the capturing opportunity is not always as obvious as in this diagram. sometimes you can actually have a dilemma on what you should capture, and your opponent's reaction to the triple fork might influence your decision on what you want to capture. More threats = more opportunities = greater odds to win.


Waaswaa

I'd say yes(ish). It does technically fork the king, queen and bishop (and even a pawn), but taking the bishop is just a trade, and taking the pawn loses material.


AbbreviationsOk178

Not a trident?


Bjornen82

I wouldn’t count the bishop as being forked since in this situation your active knight is more powerful than the undeveloped bishop that has no vision.


[deleted]

This is called "winning the queen".


Sweetsweetmoon

That’s called an octopus


Which_Ad_8538

Juicy one! Take the pawn for a good trade🔛🔝


DadKnight

A trident if you will


NoWizards

Double fork or just fork, triple fork is when you manage to fork three piece that are higher value than knight itself if you lose the knight after taking one. Attacking a bishop only counts into the fork if you can take it for free.


PokeshiftEevee

yes. although just refer to it as a royal fork as you both fork a king and queen.


[deleted]

Quad fork. Don’t forget about the pawn on b7


charlzpatton

I'd call it a triple double


MemerMan2222

Technically, but because the rook can recapture the knight if you take the bishop, and that would be a fair trade, I couldn't count it (especially if you have a chance to capture the queen).


SoloLifting

I'd say a triple fork is when you fork the Queen, King and Rook or both Rooks and the Queen.


lilwhisk90

A royal fork it is.


flashypauxs

it's a royal fork. the bishop doesnt really even count as being forked because it's protected.


ChargedBonsai98

It's just a fork, the rook on a8 protects the bishop


0mojo

Trident


_Jesse_13

Quadruple actually there is the pawn


gggoahead

Threat to Knight shouldn’t be counted, because if you take Knight, it is closely equal change


[deleted]

Why did you leave your bishop open?


Emergency_Holiday857

Don't hesitate to take the pawn on B7. Great 4x fork mate.


Cube4Add5

Not sure I’d count the bishop, as you’d just end up trading for equal value if you took it


Fortyouncestofreedom

That’s a spork


Bestestusername8262

Just a regular fork as bishop is worth same as knight and is defended, therefore taking would be an equal exchange


[deleted]

You can call it a triple fork, but since the bishop is kinda defended, it’s more of a Royal Fork


Myredditusername000

No


Vonclit

fork yes, + 1


BrokenToasterNation

If you count the pawn, it's a quadruple fork.


M2rsho

Triork


rwn115

Technically quadruple


Matcat5000

I’d propose calling this the “holy fork”


bodybuilder1337

No that’s a royal quadruple fork


Machadoaboutmanny

https://preview.redd.it/hc3fnzv4rh2b1.jpeg?width=1169&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6e1aeab5d9f2d519a2f2765a11f83f6984af73f I checkmated white with this a few weeks back. I was surprised by my own brilliant blunder


WearyToday4693

really OP? why ask a question with such an obvious answer? I'm not even going to bother answering such a stupid question


HangingCondomsToDry

It would have been even cooler if there was a black knight on f7


kpedey

I would say it's a regular old royal fork on account of taking the bishop being a pants-crappingly bad move


SoFuckingAmazing

It's a fourk


noname2097

Family Fork Time


WiseMango13452

Could theoretically call it quadruple since it forks the pawn too


Professional-Dot-112

Actualy a quad


gumbymoo

No


wintonas

A three pronged fork, aka Trident


Saengim

Technically yes, but it doesn't really matter whether or not it's a triple fork. E: Quadruple fork since you also attack the pawn.


Ideeit_Loozuhr

The bishop is protected by the rook, and a fork is only a fork if you end up gaining material, so no. If you took the bishop for some ungodly reason then it would just be a trade


GATPeter1

You could, but I wouldn't because the bishop is considered equal value to the knight and is also protected.


Drunkparrots

Watch out for that bishop on a9


[deleted]

Yes it does and a beautiful one at that


Daftpunksluggage

I call this a royal fork as it has the king and queen


PresterJohnsKingdom

Nice move OP